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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Ohah, it is Friday. It must be time for another

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Speaker 2: lethal injection of that art the sauce. Right, it is

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Speaker 2: coming back around again. This is for the people of

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Speaker 2: the Sun or the Fist, depending which side you're on.

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Speaker 2: Its Morning Combat, the award winning combat sports showcase dedicated

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Speaker 2: to all things comedy, Delta, aiight's and sometimes even fights.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell, your hostess with the most Tests, the

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Speaker 2: American Alpha the BBC with that BD follow below. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you enjoy what I sprinkle on top of this

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Speaker 2: here meat, but I know you come for that beef, right, you.

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Speaker 1: Come for it?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you do. It's Luke

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Speaker 2: Thomas from the Nation's capital. And Luke, considering we're what, well,

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Speaker 2: considering we're washed, but considering we're just a few days

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm more just delighted that you think of me

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Speaker 1: as the hot beef injection of this show. I really

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Speaker 1: is just a wonderful place to be b Ce. I

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Speaker 1: like we just didn't want to get on that plane

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Speaker 2: I am so it's going to bang to it will

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Speaker 2: to right now. Of course, it's Friday, February third. We're

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Speaker 2: about to set the stage for the combat weekend to come.

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Speaker 2: But everything, Lukes, that is true just a few days

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Speaker 2: from now, Wednesday, February eighth. King's Place is the venue

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Speaker 2: section of London. Of course. We're headlining pod Live, the

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Speaker 2: first annual podcast festival, brought to you by the Sports

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Speaker 2: of the Year in twenty twenty two. I mean, that's ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: but look, we get ninety minutes to show the world

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Speaker 2: what we can do. You mentioned the outlaw Dan Hardy.

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Speaker 2: You can still get tickets as of yesterday. This is

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Speaker 2: But just a reminder that's gonna go down live February eighth.

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Speaker 2: That episode, if you can't make it, is gonna air Friday,

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Speaker 2: I doing our new segment called Okay, bet you Better Bitch.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna break down our five picks this week, see

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Speaker 2: obviously there's there's there's news in the future about Showtime

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Speaker 2: And when I say sometimes, I really mean permanently. This

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Speaker 2: All right? TOOKI Thomas at a lot of London stuff

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Speaker 2: last week. Yeah, Morning Combat at gmail dot com is

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Speaker 2: So two weeks ago was Week two, and we're doing

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Speaker 2: this for a full year. Luke and I will compete

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Speaker 2: get ready for this, Luke one in eight overall, I

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Speaker 2: correctly picked Jamal Hill would thrill us, but uh one

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Speaker 2: Pluto TV and in what may and up being the

429
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Speaker 2: featured prelim, we got a welterweight till Nieman Gracie taking

430
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Speaker 2: on Dante Shiro Now as we speak, right now, our

431
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: friends at Caesar's have Neeman Gracie in this matchup as

432
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 2: a minus two to eighty favorite to the plus two

433
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Speaker 2: thirty Dante Shiro Luke. You may remember Dante. He's he's

434
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 2: traded wins and losses over the years, but he pushed

435
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: Logan Storly to the limit and a close split decision

436
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: loss that really could have went either way when Logan

437
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: Sturley had that homecoming back in South Dakota. He's a

438
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 2: certain level classifighter who can give you trouble, But do

439
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: I believe he's on the same level as Niemon Graci know,

440
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 2: and even though Gracie's riding a streak in which he's

441
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 2: lost three or four, including being knocked out by Gucci

442
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: Yamauchi in his last bout. He needs a bounce back.

443
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: I've seen him. He's in great shape. I think, Luke,

444
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 2: if niemon graci makes a return to focusing on what

445
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 2: got him here, which is the ground game, the grappling,

446
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: the submission threats. And as much as I like the

447
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: willingness he has been in the big fights, think against

448
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: logan story to throw big shots, and he big shots

449
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: if he has to, He's just so much better when

450
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: he's leaning on his strengths. I see a return here.

451
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 2: I'm going name in Gracie as a as a favorite

452
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 2: here minus two to eighty to get back in the wincomn.

453
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Speaker 1: I think that's a perfectly reasonable call. It's not the

454
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Speaker 1: one I'm making, but I wouldn't really take issue with

455
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: it at all.

456
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: I gotta pick it safe, Luke, until I can pull

457
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Speaker 2: out of this basement.

458
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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I get it. You gotta listen. You

459
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: gotta play the portfolio. Whenever you invest, some a little

460
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: more high risk, some a little bit more low risk.

461
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: This is more of a low risk one, but a

462
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: reasonable one just the same. BC For me, I'm gonna

463
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 1: go a little bit higher risk this time. Now I'm

464
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: picking a favorite, obviously, so it's not that high risk,

465
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: but it's one where the underdog could surprise here. And

466
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: I recognize that I'm saying it out loud. I know

467
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: that this is of all the favorites I could have picked.

468
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: There might be some different ones I could have gone with,

469
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with Johnny Evlin. I think Johnny

470
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Speaker 1: Evlin for me BC is you could very much make

471
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: a case he is MMA's most unheralded champ. Right all

472
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: the guys who have claimed a organizational or a major

473
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Speaker 1: organizational weight class title in terms of how good they

474
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: are and then in terms of the acclaim that has followed,

475
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: who's got the biggest gap in this sense and in

476
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Speaker 1: the negative side anyway, I think you can make a

477
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Speaker 1: case for Johnny Eblin. He is very well rounded, well

478
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: I should say well rounded enough, but great wrestler, great athlete,

479
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: not hardly any miles on him, built for distance, King Mo,

480
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: trained out of American top team, and a whole lot more,

481
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: not just him as his whole corners is a world

482
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Speaker 1: class corner. And I know his game sometimes doesn't please everyone.

483
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't made a big splash in the

484
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: media fair enough, maybe some of the parts of the

485
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: fight against Musasi weren't entertaining enough. I'm not in any

486
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: way saying that there's not criticisms to make or limitations

487
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: to acknowledge, but in terms of how well he's done

488
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: and whether that's caught on to me, it's just there's

489
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Speaker 1: a yawning gap between them, and I think that's affected

490
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Speaker 1: the perception of people. Not enough for the odds makers,

491
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: because he is the odds favorite in this one or

492
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: what not by a significant margin. And I grant that

493
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Speaker 1: toke Off, I grant, I grant nothing would surprised me

494
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: of Tokov one. He is great BC. I acknowledge it.

495
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: I acknowledge it. But I just feel like Johnny Evlin

496
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get his just due. He doesn't get what is

497
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: owed to him in terms of how good he is

498
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: and sturdy. I think a divisional champ will bring him

499
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: in terms of stability to that to that weight class.

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Speaker 1: So me, I'm gonna go Johnny Vlin.

501
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: Blen, a minus two sixty favorite according to Caesar's plus

502
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Speaker 2: two ten, is Anatoly Tokoff, who I almost took Luke

503
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Speaker 2: for number three as my pick to win by upset,

504
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: but I won a different direction last minute here we go.

505
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: BC's gonna play it safe. This is what I call

506
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Speaker 2: a safe upset. Pick your main event of late Saturday

507
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: night or maybe more at you know, more correctly Sunday

508
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: early morning, when UFC Fight Night starts one a m.

509
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: Eastern time, the main card, of course, to appeal to

510
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: the South Korean market where this card was originally scheduled

511
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: to air, and it's Derek Lewis in that main event

512
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: against Sergey Spivac. As we look at the odds right

513
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: now in this heavyweight hill, Luke Thomas, as I just

514
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: gonna get there, okay. Uh plus one ninety is Derek

515
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: Lewis the underdog, minus two thirty Sergey Spevac. I don't

516
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: have to be labor this because I fought for Lewis's

517
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: chances on Wednesday show, based in a lot of ways

518
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: by the shape he got in ahead of this, which

519
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: shows you how important this fight is to him to

520
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 2: maintain at this level. I just think if he's coming

521
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: in their fit, we know he's gonna look to throw hands,

522
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: but when he's got that extra level in his gas tank,

523
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: it's not that he's chanting, Luke, it's really that he

524
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: can busts when when when the you know when? Like

525
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: right now, Luke, I don't know if you're experiencing a

526
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: chill in DC, but do you know about this cold streak?

527
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: I know there's cold everywhere. Texas is getting hammered out

528
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: by ice. But it's gonna be like yeah, yeah, tomorrow

529
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like minus twenty five here in Connecticut.

530
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: The Pequetes have told me that in Nova Scotia it's

531
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: like minus forty there, Luke, on the Lakes of.

532
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Speaker 1: I mean, why would you live like this?

533
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean just you know, I don't know, yeah, I mean,

534
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: if you know, by the way we have it, I

535
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: want to tell you we have an MK listener who

536
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: lives in none of it, Luke. All right, right, the

537
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: old Yukon territory.

538
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: You know that no.

539
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: North Canada like up by the poll, Luke. You know

540
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.

541
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? I mean you just you know, what are

542
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: you hiding from the law? Like who the fund?

543
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: Even his wife? His wife's a teacher and they're helping

544
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: out the local indigenous community, Luke. So I wanted to

545
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: shout out to that guy. Forgot his name though, So

546
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: that hurts that. But you know whose name. I won't

547
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: forget Luke Ballah Mohammed, But secondly, Derek Lewis. I like him.

548
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: He's my upset pick. And I also think he does

549
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: it by knockout. If you're looking to double down on that, all.

550
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Right, fair enough, good pick. I think that's a fair

551
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: one as well. From my upset, I'm gonna go. I'm

552
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: gonna I think all of mine. Yeah, I think all

553
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: of mine are gonna stay with the Bellator card. I'm

554
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna go. Max Roschkoff. Max Roschkoff is back. He makes

555
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: his bill tour debut. This was supposed to happen a

556
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: few times already. He was supposed to have two bouts

557
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: with Eric Sanchez and then and then Mike Hamill was

558
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Actually all of those were in twenty

559
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: twenty two. That was supposed to happen in October of

560
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two for Mike Hamill and it didn't. So

561
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: here he gets Chris Gonzalez. You might remember Chris Gonzalez,

562
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: fresh off of his loss to excuse me, Uspin Nimber Gamadoff,

563
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: Hu Spin number Gameda was the one who kind of

564
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: handled him. Now, I don't know that I put Max

565
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Roschkoff on the level of Uspin Nimber Gamadoff quite candidly,

566
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: but not many guys are. And this is a tough fight.

567
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: We even told you before number Gamdoff, fuck Gonzales, that

568
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: Gonzales out of American, excuse me, out of a team.

569
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Alpha Male was a great wrestler. I believe he was

570
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: an All American, right, So this is a guy who

571
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: can get that done. This is a tough fight for

572
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Max Roschkoff, who was famously in that corner situation where

573
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: you know they he was asking for it to stop

574
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and the corner corner was kind of talking out of it,

575
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: and it was it was I think it was a Drysdale.

576
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I think it was who was involved in the corner there. Anyway,

577
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Drysdell eventually did tell the corner that are the coaches,

578
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: excuse me, the officiants that he did want to quit.

579
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, you guys remember remember the story. He has

580
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: looked good for the most part since that Austin Hubbard fight.

581
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: He had two fights in Cage Warriors where he looked

582
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: pretty decent. He is I think training with extreme Coutore.

583
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: I like his chances here he's not a sick dificant underdog.

584
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: I think a plus one seventy five as it currently

585
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: stands BC. It's a close one. I recognize it's a

586
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: difficult one, but I think there's a reason to believe

587
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: still in his upside. We'll see if he can get

588
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: it done.

589
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the ones I need you to not land, Luke,

590
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: so I can build a comeback here. But I love

591
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: the direction or what you're going in that regard. Okay,

592
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: category number four and okay, bet we need to pick

593
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: that a certain fight will go over or under from

594
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: the standpoint of going the distance. And I'm going to

595
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: stay here on that BELLA to our preliminary card. How

596
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: about this welterweight matchup. It's a rematch of some sorts

597
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: when Lorenz Larkin takes on unbeaten Mucammad berkham Off. They

598
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: fought in July twenty twenty two, but it only went

599
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: a round or two before illegal elbows made it a

600
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: no contest. Here's the deal, Mucammad is it berkham Off? Luke?

601
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 2: Is that my pronouncing that right?

602
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: I believe? So I'm not I'm not quite the guy

603
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: to go to on this, but I believe that's right now.

604
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: He's fourteen and oh with eleven finishes, nine of them

605
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: by submission. And this is a tough matchup for Lorenz Larkin.

606
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: Larkin a plus one seventy underdog minus two hundred is

607
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: burkham Off. But they're going the three round distance here, Luke,

608
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: because Laurent Larkin is tough as nails. You know that

609
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: he's got that bell sometimes shaved into the side of

610
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: his head Riverside, California, in the house. And it's not

611
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: that he hasn't been stopped before, but he's not a

612
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: nice little streak at the moment in Bellator, having won

613
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: six straight since the knockout lost to Paul Day. You

614
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: may remember that time. You can watch it back on

615
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: documentary number three in the Morning Combat Anthology, when he

616
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: called me out at the Mohegan Sun for not having

617
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: him ranked as a voter in those Belotor rankings. Although

618
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: to be fair, in that moment, Lorenz, you didn't have

619
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: a middleweight fight yet, you'd been out for a long time,

620
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: you weren't eligible for the rankings. You did try to,

621
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: you know, send me to the deep dark depths of hell.

622
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: But Luke, I will show that I have no hard feelings.

623
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: By telling you that Larkin is gonna go the distance

624
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: here and win or defeat, I'm taking the over on

625
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: that matchup.

626
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that for my over over

627
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: under BC, I am gonna go with one of the

628
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: that I know has you all steamed up ready for

629
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: the weekend.

630
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here, Brendan Ward and a

631
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: pair of in a scheme? What are we talking about her?

632
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: No?

633
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about Diana Avsara Gova and Alejandro Laura.

634
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: That's the one. I think it's gonna got the distance. Yeah,

635
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: never never once ever heard of him, Diana asked, av

636
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Sara Goa, Avsara Gova, excuse me, Obviously, her last win

637
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: was a decision. In fact, I think she's only had

638
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: two of her fights two of or five wins have

639
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: ever gone to and it kind of finished the rest

640
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Speaker 1: of all decisions. I think the last four of Laura

641
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Speaker 1: have gone to a decision, if not the last five,

642
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Speaker 1: let me double check here, the last the last uh

643
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Speaker 1: the last three and then two more before that actually,

644
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Speaker 1: so uh okay, yeah, no four. Anyway, The point thing

645
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make here is they go to decisions

646
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Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of decisions that happened between them,

647
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: the current state that they're in, you know, and Laura

648
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: is kind of like in this place where she's kind

649
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Speaker 1: of good enough to hang on but kind of not

650
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Speaker 1: to like turn that corner she's always been stuck in,

651
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: sort of this limbo situation. I think you're gonna get

652
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Speaker 1: something like that. This one goes the distance.

653
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that the fire in her to fight

654
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: for her job will lead to somebody getting stopped. Luke.

655
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: She's only been stopped once Alejandro Lara. That was in

656
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: her title loss to Alim Malea McFarland back in the day.

657
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: But we'll see if that happens again. Finally, Ko or

658
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Speaker 2: sub and which fight you got, Luke, I'm gonna go

659
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: off the board here. We got boxing Saturday ESPN plus.

660
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Navarete will look to become a three division champion

661
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: when he moves up and welcomes a late replacement Luca

662
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: was supposed to be Oscar Valdez, of course, instead it's

663
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Speaker 2: gonna be Liam Wilson sliding in the Australian Luke, I

664
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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw the or maybe well, maybe

665
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Speaker 2: we'll get we have a spot for that later. Forget it, Luke.

666
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with a knockout though in this fight.

667
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Speaker 2: Navarete at this point is your favorite to win this.

668
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Speaker 2: He's more seasoned. Liam Wilson's a good, strong young kid

669
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Speaker 2: coming up. The thing I wanted to mention, Luke was

670
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: they waited in for this fight. It's a one hundred

671
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Speaker 2: and thirty pound title bout. Liam Wilson weighed in at

672
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Speaker 2: one twenty six and said he had weighed himself twenty

673
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: times in the previous few hours and he was right

674
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Speaker 2: at one twenty nine. And he accused the promotion, the

675
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: venue there in Gladale, Arizona, and Nolvarete of messing with

676
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: the scale to allow Navarette to make way that one

677
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: twenty nine point two. So you know that's just his

678
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory right there. Either way, I see a finish

679
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Speaker 2: in this one. So I'm going knockout on Navarette Wilson.

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Speaker 1: You see that fighter, Liam is he uh as an

681
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Speaker 1: American fighter?

682
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: No, he's Australian, Luke, And that's a that's a picular name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy named Liam is not American. I just

684
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Speaker 1: want to clarify that, right, that's that's how that went.

685
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: You realize how and just so you know, on the

686
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Speaker 2: odds here minus twelve hundred for Navarette to win, plus

687
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: seven hundred on Liam. But look, people are killing you

688
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: in my DMS over that telling me you went to

689
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: Catholic school in Massachusetts there was like seventeen Liams. So

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Speaker 2: Luke can shut the f up.

691
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, there's not I don't. I don't believe that.

692
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Speaker 1: I don't believe any and I don't believe anyone of

693
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Speaker 1: you went to school with seventeen Williams. You didn't and

694
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: that's not true. And that's okay. But all right, b

695
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Speaker 1: C for my KO or sub. I mean, you know,

696
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Speaker 1: how does Ward versus HOMASI end in decision? It could

697
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Speaker 1: end in sub.

698
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: But I look at you, look at you looking to

699
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Speaker 2: pad your lead here playing it safer than Switzerland at

700
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Speaker 2: the moment. But that's cool.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: Listen, you continue to make bad investments, I'll continue to

703
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: make winning one. You want to argue the strength of

704
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Speaker 1: your record, guy, is that what you want to do?

705
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: Right here?

706
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like your clients are making money. I

707
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: just want to be very very clear about that. But

708
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Speaker 1: all right, neither here nor there I tend to think

709
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: this one ends in Ko. Frankly, either way, I forced

710
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Speaker 1: to guess. I'm gonna guess Ward. I think he's a

711
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: little bit underrated. But you know they're gonna fight balls out,

712
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: so it really will just become a gunfight at that point.

713
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, that one's gonna end in Ko, no doubt

714
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Speaker 1: in my mind.

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Speaker 2: I like the quotes between them this week. They both

716
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: essentially have predicted that they're coming in there to knocking

717
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: each other out, but they got respect for each other.

718
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Speaker 2: War did tease a couple of times, Luke something that

719
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: you mentioned Wednesday that since this is like a real

720
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Speaker 2: training camp, a long, real one, he's not used to that,

721
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Speaker 2: he's got a game plan. He hopes he sticks with it.

722
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: But even Brennan Ward acknowledged that when this thing does

723
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Speaker 2: eventually turn into a fight, he's gonna be there fighting Luke.

724
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Speaker 2: And when that a whole idea of when it does.

725
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's it's not a brawl at all.

726
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna touch gloves and bang.

727
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Speaker 1: Touch gloves and bang.

728
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: There it is all right, okay, bet behind us, we'll

729
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Speaker 2: see who survives and advances in regard to that. Hey,

730
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Speaker 2: let's at the biggest topics of the day here on Friday,

731
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Speaker 2: February third, twenty twenty three. We'll start with topic number one. Luke,

732
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Speaker 2: there's a there's some buzz going around about the anti buzz,

733
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Speaker 2: the negative buzz, or no buzz at all, however you

734
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Speaker 2: want to say it. As we are just a little

735
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Speaker 2: bit more than a week away from UFC two eighty

736
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Speaker 2: four Perth, Australia, where you have not one but kind

737
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: of one and a half title fights when you consider

738
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: the interim featherweight strap is on the line when Josh

739
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Amma takes on Yaira Rodriguez, and one of the better

740
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: fights you can make in this entire sport when number

741
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: one versus number two on the UFC pound for pound

742
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: list meet as lightweight champion Islam Islam Mahachev welcomes Alexander

743
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: Volkanowski from the featherweight division. Luke, the news in this

744
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: case is a lot of people have taken notice that

745
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: UFC Dana White in general not really going ham on

746
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: promoting this fight. We can make the larger argument that

747
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: that's not the direction that they're in anymore post ESPN deal,

748
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: But I think even I saw Mike Bone tweet out

749
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: that of like the last twenty tweets on the UFC

750
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Speaker 2: account at the time that he mentioned this yesterday, nine

751
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: were for power Slap. One had to do with UFC

752
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: two eighty four. So the comments that spurred this news

753
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: really least is that Islam Mahachev caught up with our

754
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: sport in Russia. And these quotes reggregated by MMA Junkie.

755
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: He says, I see that it is not such a

756
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: big promotion. Dana White himself has some problems. He does

757
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: not pay much attention to this fight in terms of

758
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: pay per view. Yes, more could have been done. I

759
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: only saw Volkanowski once in Sydney. A tour could be

760
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: organized around the world, a conference could be held in America.

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Speaker 2: End quote, Luke Thomas, how do you weigh in on this?

762
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: Has UFC two eighty four been promoted to the level

763
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: of a normal loaded pay per view, which at least

764
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: at the top end this thing is it's it's.

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Speaker 1: It's not even a question. Has it been promoted like

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: a normal pay per view? Yeah, like a normal pay

767
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: per view. I suppose that it has in the normal

768
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: sense of things. But like the question is, is that adequate.

769
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: There is a really big, broader conversation that has to

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00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: happen around the UFC's model of promotion, and it's changed

771
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: over time, but at the current state of things, it

772
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: really is center on like, where does the UFC's promotional

773
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: muscle really begin to get noticed. It's Fight Week right Sunday.

774
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: They put out of a series of assets on your

775
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. These do quite well. There'll be some shoulder

776
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: programming that accompanies that eventually on ESPN Plus or some

777
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: of the other you know, on demand services where you

778
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: can get access to it. Fight week begins, people do

779
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: their turn their interviews in, there's the scheduled events, pressers,

780
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: it used to be workouts, you know, all wait weigh ins,

781
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Everyone knows the story. And then there's

782
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: fight Week. They're very good once that once that Sunday starts,

783
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: really fight week starts on the Sunday, not the Monday.

784
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Once that gets going, they're very good in that space.

785
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: The question is for a really special event, do they

786
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: have the promotional and mechanical ability to then scale out

787
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Speaker 1: for something much bigger than that when the time arises,

788
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: And it appears that the answer to that question is

789
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: at least in the way in which they've showed us no. Right, No,

790
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't really have the ability to pivot

791
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: to something broader when the need arises. Now, you can

792
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: argue Volkanovsky versus Makachev will not do that well on

793
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: pay per view, and I would be open to that.

794
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Neither is a proven pay per view draw with enough

795
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: numbers to their name over the course of you know,

796
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: many events to show this. And I understand that argument.

797
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: It's a fair argument, but here's the problem with it. Right,

798
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: it's number one versus number two by their own rankings

799
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Speaker 1: in the world pound for pound. That is a special

800
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: and frankly historic fight. And if you're gonna put on

801
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: fights like that, if not just the champion champion fight,

802
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: but number one versus number two on the pound for

803
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: pound lists, under those circumstances, when you have a legitimate

804
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: battle for pound for pound, I mean, if Volkanovski wins,

805
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: there's just no question on earth. I mean, he already

806
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: is number one, but I'm talking he's number one with

807
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: a bullet if he beats Makachev. When you have a

808
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: question like that on the line, we see when something

809
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: like that is up for grabs. It is owed something

810
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: more than what the traditional fight week model that the

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00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: UFC has mastered, in my judgment, is capable of providing.

812
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: And here's the last part of this BC very quickly,

813
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: which is maybe they do have the capacity to do

814
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: this more. But to Mike Bond's part, I have seen

815
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: a ton of promotion for Power Slap UFC staff that

816
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: normally I haven't heard from in years. We're emailing me

817
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: press releases for Slap League stuff that I in no

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00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: way requested or otherwise have a relationship with this person

819
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Speaker 1: professionally that they would send it to me ordinarily, like

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Speaker 1: they went out of their way to send it to me.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get anything like that. Regarding UFC two eighty four.

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Speaker 1: I think it tells you about a question about the

823
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: UFC's priorities regarding SLAP and how much of the in

824
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: house labor force it actually occupies and takes away from

825
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Speaker 1: potentially bigger MMA competitions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think the answer is yes and no.

827
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Speaker 2: I think you nailed the part that you know, if

828
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Speaker 2: business goes back to usual after Saturday Night's late night

829
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: card from you know, with a lot of the Korean

830
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: fighters on it, with Derek Lewis main evening. If we

831
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: kick off Sunday and it's like episode one of Embedded,

832
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: here's countdown and here's everything we need, it'll make this

833
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: a moot point quickly. But no, there has not been

834
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: an aggressive push by any means.

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Speaker 1: Now.

836
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: The water's muddy right now because it's power Slap season

837
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: and because this has become a recurring topic, and because

838
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: it's just you know, I think it's just a bad

839
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: look to use the UFC hype machine as aggressively as

840
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: they have to push this thing that is just an

841
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: entirely different sport and oh, by the way, just a

842
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: bad look on top of that. So I think it's

843
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: yes and no. But I totally understand from Misla Machev's point.

844
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, this fight is massive, but no, we aren't

845
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: seeing that aggressive next level spend the money to do

846
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: the media tours, I mean outside of I saw some

847
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: preview clip that Daniel Cormier put out that he had

848
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: both Mahchev and Volkanovsky on his DC and RC show

849
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Speaker 2: on like a zoom at the same time, and that

850
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: was like the first time I've seen in like, you know,

851
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks this fight being like pushed out

852
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: to the masses. So it's disappointing to a sense. But Luke,

853
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: would you say it's it's it's on par with the

854
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, separate from power slab, it's on par to

855
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: the larger direction UFC is going with the standpoint of

856
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: how much they're getting paid by ESPN per pay per

857
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: view card. Where you know, we've said it before and

858
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: it's true they're not in the business of making pay

859
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: per view stars anymore. But is it even more easier

860
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: explained by just saying that this fight card might not

861
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: really be aimed at the US crowd. Like obviously, if

862
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: you're a US UFC fan, you know about this card,

863
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: you know about these fights, you love them, and you're

864
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: probably gonna buy them. But I don't know what the

865
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: aggression on the publication and marketing for the in promotion

866
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: of this fight card has been in Australia, in Russia.

867
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now, you know, could you make that

868
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: argument that this is more for for you know, they

869
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: want to sell out the house in Perth, they want

870
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: to get as many pay per view buys internationally on this.

871
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: They almost feel like in the US, their their work

872
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: is done, right or wrong?

873
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: Is that? Why why is it on pay per view?

874
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: If their work is done and like pay per view

875
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: it can be a little bit less, but like that's

876
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the buying public of pay per

877
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: view is North American. It's US and Canada, like like

878
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: it used to be a ninety percent. I think it's

879
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: closer to seventy or eighty percent, but still the overwhelming majority. Like, yes,

880
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: I get that this is going to have huge significance

881
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: for Australia, fair enough, huge significance for Russia depending on

882
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: the outcome. I get it, no argument, but if the

883
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: primary customer is North American and beyond the fact that

884
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: it's just a sort of transactional thing like trying to

885
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: get money from us again inside that week long model

886
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: that they've built that generally is good enough for them

887
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: to get what they want, Like the UFC is doing

888
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: really well financially.

889
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: That works.

890
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: But I think what fans are saying, and it's not

891
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: just market chap, like the fans are having a conversation

892
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: about this as well. It's like, okay, but this, like

893
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: this contest is historic. This is the number one guy

894
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: versus the number two guy. You know, in the sport, Like,

895
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: if that was happening in boxing, dude, you'd be hearing

896
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: about it. You'd think the promoter wouldn't stop telling you

897
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: about it. I just feel like there's something a little

898
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: bit missing, an extra level of polish, maybe not a

899
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: huge amount, but a little extra polish that could have

900
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: gone into it that would have made it feel as

901
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: special as I think the people in the know know

902
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: it to be.

903
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is if you asked me, HEYBC,

904
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: in boxing, when was the last time that there was

905
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: like an argument to be made that a matchup was

906
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: one versus two on the paper? I'm sorry on the

907
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 2: pund for pound list now, obviously the raise your hand

908
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: go to is maywhether Paquiao in that fight had enough promotion.

909
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: You know, you didn't have to promote it, right five

910
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: years it promoted itself. But I'm hearing an echo here, Luke,

911
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: Are you hearing that?

912
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: You might be? If I can't, I can just put

913
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: my headphone. It's no big deal, all right?

914
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: Well, well there was you know, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen

915
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: around there. If you remember when andre Ward and Sergei

916
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: Kovalev fought twice, both on HBO pay per view in

917
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: back to back pay per views for the light heavyweight title,

918
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: and there was argument at that time that it actually

919
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: was pound for pound number one versus number two, and

920
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: at worst, really you had two of the top three

921
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: or four. And what's interesting is because neither fighter is

922
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: a dynamic commercial cell, those fights did not do well

923
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: on pay per view. And I don't know if you remember,

924
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: I think ahead of the rematch that Kathy Duova, the

925
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: promoter from Main Events who represented Kovalev, like went scorched

926
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: earth during the press conference, you know, kind of throwing

927
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: shots at everyone, media, everybody for this fight being presented

928
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: almost so deeply under the radar. So it's interesting here

929
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: that in that case you had the promoter accusing everybody

930
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: else of the fight not being promoted, and now in

931
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: this case you have the fighters accusing the promoter of

932
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: not doing the job. So it's just it's it's weird.

933
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: It's it's it's just weird. The whole situation. The fight

934
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: card is still going to bang, and I got too

935
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: quick things to bring up too related.

936
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: But here's one thing that like folks, two things that

937
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: like folks don't imagine, Like what would a fight look like?

938
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: If one had the number one MMA fighter in the

939
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: world versus the number two MM fighter in the world,

940
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: how would they promote that? I don't know, but I'd

941
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: be curious to see. How would belator promoted if they

942
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: had the literal number one pound for pound fighter in

943
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: the sport versus the number two? What would that look like?

944
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'd be curious to see. And

945
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: you can go that with kswor whoever. In the hands

946
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: of someone else who actually had access to pund for

947
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: pound number one versus po pound number two, what would

948
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: a promoted fight look like. I don't know the answer

949
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: to that, but I want folks to imagine. We don't

950
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: even get to contemplate these things by virtue of the

951
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: UFC having the totality of the vast majority anyway of

952
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: the overall world's lee talent. But like saying, well, they

953
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: got this model and it works for them, and blah

954
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: blah blah. But it's like, dude, we're not even imagining

955
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: a world or what that would look like in someone

956
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: else's hands, and how much more grander it could potentially

957
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: look like. The UFC is very successful, but they're fat

958
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: and happy too, right, They've They've just got such a

959
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: lock on the market. Their competitors are so far behind them.

960
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they feel the need as much as

961
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: they once did to kind of really show out and

962
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: be the next level guys. I mean they are in

963
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: many ways just by virtue of what everything they've built.

964
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm talking about that extra rub they

965
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: used to put in there, that some of that, Maybe

966
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but some of that feels like it's

967
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: missing a little bit because of their high perch, they

968
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: just don't feel the push.

969
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: What word is the opposite of incentivized?

970
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: Decentivized?

971
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: Would you say it? Right now, Dana White is decentivized

972
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: from trying to create pay per view stars like he

973
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: loves that. You know, if he gets a chance to

974
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: take like a McGregor and put him with a whoree

975
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: or a Nate for a third time, they're going to

976
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: do it, right, They're gonna do it. But like, would

977
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: you say they are decentivized because then they have to

978
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: pay them more to actually create pay per view stars

979
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: At the moment under the current financial landscape.

980
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: Hard to say, I would have to. You know, it's

981
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: are they drawing enough on pay per view where they

982
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: feel like they're making themselves happy, they're set up for

983
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: success in the future, and it overall fits the budget

984
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: and how they understand it with contracted revenue and then

985
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: pay per view revenue and then all the other various forms.

986
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: It's a much bigger question. It's hard to argue like

987
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: whether or not it fits into that. I tend to

988
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: think that they don't need pay per view stars in

989
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: the same way they once did, and we've talked about

990
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: it before. They don't even want them in some ways

991
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: because the volatility would create between pay per view events,

992
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: but this will want stars like stars sell more than otherwise,

993
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: and yes they cost a little bit more, but you

994
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: know they're still valuable to have, and yeah, they want them.

995
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: The parallel is weird. It does remind me. Did you

996
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: ever read you know Jim Miller who writes those huge

997
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: like oral histories. You ever read the ESPN book, that

998
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: massive one that came out about seven eight years ago.

999
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: One of the main sections of that book looks at

1000
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: the Sports Center in the nineties when when Dan Patrick

1001
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: and Keith Olberman, for example.

1002
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: Became guys have all the fun.

1003
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they became bigger than the brand and you know,

1004
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: had commercials and had all this stuff and demanded more

1005
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: money and demanded all this that it was almost like

1006
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: the company responded to that era by saying, We're never

1007
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: going to you know, create sports and our anchors that

1008
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: are stars that are bigger than the brand, and they

1009
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: kind of changed the system and tried to have as

1010
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: many sort of interchangeable, almost faceless people. To some degree,

1011
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: you could make that argument right now with the UFC,

1012
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: but it could just be the perfect storm of all

1013
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: the other factors coming together. But Luke quickly related to

1014
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: this card. We're going to have a pregame preview with

1015
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Tchruck Mindenhall that goes out next week, and obviously we're

1016
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: going to be talking about it. But Habib officially will

1017
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: not be there in the corner of Islam Mahachev according

1018
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: to the reports, separate from whatever Habib is leaning on

1019
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: in terms of taking this absence to you know, have

1020
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: more time with this family. Is this like a good

1021
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: thing for Islam Mahchev the biggest fight of his life.

1022
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: You can argue here that that the you know, not

1023
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: that Habib's not going to go by a side. I

1024
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: just feel like this is weird, right.

1025
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: I doubt that it's a good thing for Islam. I

1026
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: doubt that he prefers that Habib's not there. But guys,

1027
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: let's just be really, please be adult. Let's just be

1028
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: adults about this. I'm not saying you're not Bceved. I'm

1029
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: just saying, like, let's let let's make sure the conversation

1030
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: happens on adult terms. If Volkanovsky were to win, it

1031
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: would have fuck all to do with Habib not being there.

1032
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: Like the mountain that dude has to climb in order

1033
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: to win, Habib not being there probably makes it a

1034
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: little bit easier. I maybe maybe that's a thing, But

1035
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: is that the full summit? Does that get you to

1036
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: the summit? In terms of all of the distance he

1037
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: has to cover, all the things that have to go

1038
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: right for him to win, Please be fucking serious. No chance,

1039
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: no chance. So if Volkanovsky wins, if he beats Makachev,

1040
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: it is such an extraordinary achievement that yeah, you could

1041
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: maybe be like, well, I could have helped his chances

1042
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, but once he

1043
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: does that, if he does that, I don't give a

1044
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: shit that'd be was or wasn't there. It wouldn't have

1045
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: made a difference. He was gonna win either way.

1046
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Would you respect to be more if it came down

1047
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: to him just not wanting to endure that flight? Look

1048
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: from dogist, I mean, would you go east or west?

1049
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: On that? Would you go left or right? Which direction shorter?

1050
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: He would go east? I think he would go east.

1051
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: The other quick point I wanted to make was that

1052
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: I just saw a quote from that same interview where

1053
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: Mahachev said, Look, I don't want to be known just

1054
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: for my wrestling. My goal is to go in there

1055
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: and knock Volkanovsky out and beat him with my striking.

1056
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: What's your response to that?

1057
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't really buy. I think he's going to try

1058
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: and wrestle him. I don't, Okay, Yeah.

1059
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: And that quickly loosely related. Wednesday night was the third

1060
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: episode of the Road to Power Slap pay per view

1061
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: or whatever it's called, and that got the worst ratings

1062
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: of the three Luke about a third of the total

1063
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: of what AW had as the lead. And so we'll

1064
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: see that ride continue.

1065
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: One last note on that, if I may, We talked

1066
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: about how like with different things Dana White had tried,

1067
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: like the Ultimate Surfing competition and then the boxing reality

1068
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: show and none of them worked, but they were really

1069
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, his ideas, and you know, it's what it was,

1070
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: what it was. But we talked about how Power Slap

1071
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: is much more intertwined with the UFC brand, and I

1072
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: thought that that was just a branding thing and then

1073
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: using some of the same resources in terms of like

1074
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: actual brick and mortar, like the APEX. But it turns

1075
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: out that like they're using internal resources as well. Right

1076
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: where if I'm getting emails from PR staff that I

1077
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: haven't heard from in a long time, you know, from

1078
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: Power Slap, but I haven't, I never heard them otherwise.

1079
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: Like there is a question now about now how much

1080
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: the two are just intertwined, but how much Power Slap

1081
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: drains actual UFC's ability to do all the other things

1082
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: that they want to do beyond what they can, you know,

1083
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: on an assembly line just do automatically churn out. Can

1084
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: they do anything above that? I don't know. I don't

1085
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: know what the answer to that is, but it's worth

1086
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: thinking about.

1087
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're draining me of my of my

1088
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: dignity every time I see more of that. Well, Anthony

1089
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: Smith loves it, though, Luke, you know, and I vouch

1090
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: for Anthony Smith Factory town talk. That's that he has

1091
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: become my life.

1092
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I can't today. I'm not I'm never gonna talk bad

1093
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: about Anthony. I like him, but you know I I

1094
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: think he's trying to set up a professional future, which

1095
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: I understand. I don't actually believe that he like this

1096
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: ship is righteous like like he's too he's too talented.

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00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: Righteous. All right, Topic number two, Luke, Let's look quickly

1098
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: look at the boxing we have this weekend. We do

1099
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: have two cards, and I did have a dead wrong

1100
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: in the moment at the end of our okay bet.

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00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: One card will actually take place this evening tonight ESPN

1102
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: and ESPN Plus from Glendale, Arizona. When Emmanuel Navarete, like

1103
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: I mentioned, looks to move up in wait and try

1104
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: to win a title on a third weight class at

1105
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: one thirty when he takes on Liam Wilson in the

1106
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: main event from Australia. Wilson has one defeat. It was

1107
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: by knockout, but he did a venge it with a

1108
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: knockout of his own and not a bad Colemane event, Luke.

1109
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: When Jorge put Pedraza, the Sniper, the veteran takes on

1110
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: rising unbeaten Arnold Barbosa Junior. You're also going to get

1111
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Richard Torres Junior, the Olympic medalist at heavyweight from the

1112
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: US to South. He'll be back. Nico Ali Walsh, the

1113
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: grandson of the greatest, also on that undercard. But luc

1114
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: the bigger card in terms of the attention that I

1115
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: see promotionally, is going to be on his own. It's

1116
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: going to be in New York City, I believe, at

1117
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: the theater at Madison Square Garden on Saturday. Amanda Serrano

1118
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: back again, and Luke she's making everything. I mean, she

1119
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: at this point in her career, right at the end

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00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: of her prime here. I think she's about thirty four

1121
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: years old. Of course, we're all hoping that this is

1122
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: building to a rematch with Katie Taylor and Eddie Her

1123
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: and everybody just recently said we want that too. But

1124
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: Amanda Serrano is just trying to fight as many champions

1125
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: and unify as she can. Here she's gonna welcome Erica Cruz.

1126
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: This will be a unification of titles at one hundred

1127
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: and twenty six pounds. I actually called Erica Cruz's biggest

1128
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: win when she won the title on Ring City USA

1129
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: n NBC Sports when she upset Juleynamergenovitch the longtime championship

1130
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: beat her again in the rematch. So this is an

1131
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: interesting matchup. And how about this Alicia Bamgardner in the

1132
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Cole main event. We just saw her. She'say, we just

1133
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: saw her get the win against Mikayla Mayer in their

1134
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: grudge match. Now she is going to try to unify

1135
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: titles herself. I believe this is at one thirty when

1136
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: she takes son champion elhem Nekkhaled. Luke, do you feel like? Oh?

1137
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: Also sorry? Sky Nicholson also on the card. She's a

1138
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: rising UK boxing talent that's getting a lot of She

1139
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: was on Aerial Show. She's getting a lot of love

1140
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: as well. Luke, do you feel like although Serrano versus

1141
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor is the obvious big fight, some people really

1142
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: wanted that Crook Park in Ireland. Whatever. I just want

1143
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: to see it and if and if we can be there, Luke,

1144
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: I do regret not being there the first time in

1145
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: Messa Square Garden. I do because people tell me that

1146
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: that's the that's the greatest atmosphere they've ever seen for

1147
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: a pro fight. I've had a lot of people tell me.

1148
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I don't like crowds, so yeah, you don't.

1149
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: You don't like people. Is there any chance that that

1150
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: this card sets the stage? Do you think at a

1151
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: future fight between Serrano and Bombgartner, because obviously it Bombgartner

1152
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: versus Mikaela Mayor two is something we can do whenever

1153
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: it's a grudge match. The first fight was very close,

1154
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 2: but Serrano fights in almost every single weight class. Luke,

1155
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: I you know that might be something to watch for

1156
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: in the future.

1157
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of it until you mentioned it, but yes,

1158
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you could absolutely do that Serrano. And also, like Serrano's

1159
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: style is Swiss army knife, right, I mean she can

1160
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: do a lot. It wasn't enough against Katie Taylor, but

1161
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: like obviously she pushed Katy Taylor in a way that

1162
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: nobody else had. And to your point, I think Eddie,

1163
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: even Eddie Hern this week was talking about it. He's like, dude,

1164
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: we we'd be dumbasses to not do that. It seems

1165
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of interest in making that fight happen.

1166
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: But to your point, if it doesn't, yeah, yeah you could.

1167
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, like Bomgarner promotes spicy like

1168
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: she is. You know, even yesterday she called Mayor like

1169
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: delusional and salty, and like you know, she gets after it.

1170
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: If she does a lot of media, she's good at it.

1171
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: So that could be a fun one too. That's an

1172
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: interesting idea from you. Yeah, that could definitely work.

1173
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: Interesting just if you're curious about the odds. Amanda Serrano

1174
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: a minus eight hundred favorite according to Caesar's plus five

1175
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: fifty is Erica Cruz and in your co main event,

1176
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: Bomb Gardner a minus one thousand favorite against the plus

1177
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: six fifty Mechhaled. If I'm pronouncing that correct, Probably not, though, Luke,

1178
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: but check that out look. I gotta say, though, tip

1179
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: of the cap here in this case it's Eddie Hern

1180
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: and his own. But dude, I love the attention women's

1181
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: boxing is getting. I love that these fights are living

1182
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: up to expectations on the highest level across the board,

1183
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: whether it was Clarissa Shields in England there in that

1184
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: big fight, Bombgartner, Mayor on the undercard Serrano and Taylor.

1185
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: This is great to see. I hope we continue it.

1186
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we're we're proving here once again

1187
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: that women in the main and coman can be the

1188
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: draw and can sell, Luke, And this is great to see.

1189
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: So I'm very happy by it.

1190
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: And we have a I mean, we'll see how the

1191
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: fight goes. And not every men's fight is great. Now

1192
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: everyone's fight's gonna be great. They don't have to be.

1193
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. But Serano versus Cruse could

1194
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: be good. Like, there's a way that that goes that

1195
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: one of all the plausible outcomes, one of them is

1196
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: that that fight is for as long as it lasts,

1197
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: which could go the distance in action fight. So let's see.

1198
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely Topic number three. Hey, Luke, how about this. The

1199
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: PFL announced their first card for the twenty twenty three

1200
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: season that will go down.

1201
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: Turns out.

1202
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: That will go down April first. It's going to be

1203
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: at the Virgin Hotels in Las Vegas at the Theater

1204
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: and in totality. They announced the first three cards April first,

1205
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: April seventh, and April fourteenth, along with the main and

1206
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: comane of each card. Now there is a problem. I'll

1207
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: get to that in a second, but here's the release

1208
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: that the PFL sent out April first. Will be in

1209
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: the main event, Brenda Locknane last year's what featherweight champion,

1210
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: We'll take on Marlon Rice, the UFC veteran, and in

1211
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: the co main event at light heavyweight, Robert Wilkinson will

1212
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: take on Maheta Tiago Santos. You can't hate on that one.

1213
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: We'll fast forward to April seventh, when Anti Delilla and

1214
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: Jorgan de Castro will meet. In the main event at heavyweight,

1215
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: Larissa Pacheco, who, of course, in her third meeting with

1216
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: Kayla Harrison, got the win last time. Show welcome Julia

1217
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: Budden an interesting co main event at women's featherweight. And

1218
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: then April thirteenth is oam albon Mercier against Shane Burgos

1219
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: and his PFL debut and welterweight champion, the defending one,

1220
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: Sadabu c against Jara Al Silawi. But Luke, it wasn't

1221
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: all fun and games and collaps and you know, high

1222
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: fives and hand pounds over this announcements. Can you explain

1223
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: this further? What actually went on here?

1224
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: So I adjust on a barrett just on one bare

1225
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: minimum of First Round Management, which is run by Molchi

1226
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: and his brother ibraheim Abe. How they rep Shane Burgos

1227
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: and I believe they rep Brendan locked in as well. Right,

1228
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: So two of the fighters named on two different I believe,

1229
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: two different cards that were part of the certainly two

1230
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: different fights. They're not fighting each other. And he was like,

1231
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: we didn't agree to jack shit. Yeah, no, we did

1232
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: not in any way sign an agreement. And I know,

1233
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: like you know, the Kawa brothers, they they they picked me,

1234
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: they picked fights, and you know they they've said things

1235
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that I've disagreed with a million times before. But if

1236
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: he's telling you he didn't sign, I'm I'm he's telling

1237
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: the truth, like they didn't sign, and uh, it's crazy

1238
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: for PFL to do this now we know UFC does

1239
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: it all. Listen all the time, PFL listen to me

1240
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: very clearly. Yeah, anyone from that organization, listen to what

1241
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you. If you guys want to

1242
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: be a fighter first organization in the way that which

1243
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: you claim and and and part of the way in

1244
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: which you know, the way you're paying fighters through pay

1245
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: per view and the fifty percent cut is a supposed

1246
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: to be some kind of representative of that, you can't

1247
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: announce fights before they're ready, right, that's super super shitty

1248
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: So are you saying that?

1249
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: Can I read between your lines? Is this what you're

1250
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: saying to PFL Don Davis, race Fall, you know great

1251
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: people over there. Are you saying, hey, guys, you have

1252
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: an opportunity right now to disrupt the market. UFC is

1253
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: almost making it easy at the moment, at least headline

1254
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: and goodwill wise to disrupt the market. So please stop

1255
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: doing anything that is considered a UFC move at this

1256
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: moment to piss off.

1257
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: That none even just that UFC makes a lot of

1258
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: good moves. I'm not even trying to bag on him

1259
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: that way. I'm just saying, if the shit is not

1260
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: go agreed to, what are you doing? What are you doing?

1261
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: And also, like fighters, some fighters in an organization, you know,

1262
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: washed out of UFC or other places. Some chose like

1263
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: Shane Burgos, Let's be very clear about that. Shane Burgos

1264
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: did not wash out of UFC. He chose to go

1265
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: to the PFL and you're announcing fights he hasn't agreed to.

1266
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: Please don't do that. Please don't do that. That's shitty.

1267
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: Don't do that. That's not like, why would you do that?

1268
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about. This guy chose you

1269
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: at a point in his career where he's got good

1270
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: fights left to give, don't do that to him, Like

1271
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: this is very easy.

1272
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: Quick question on how PFL uses, how PFL uses twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three to further their position in this business. Now,

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Speaker 2: if they end up signing France and Gano, like wow,

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Speaker 2: that would be massive, That'd be you know, Nataz or

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Speaker 2: anything like that. But the signing of Jake Paul and

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Speaker 2: the announcement of a pay per view division could go

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Speaker 2: really good, could go really bad. But you did hear

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Speaker 2: Don Davis in multiple interviews saying like, even though Jake

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Speaker 2: Paul is not going to fight in MMA until twenty

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: twenty four, us signing him was more about essentially he

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Speaker 2: could be a walking commercial for all of our other fights.

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Speaker 2: What level do you believe PFL will use Jake Paul

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three from a promotional standpoint, from a

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Speaker 2: live fight telecast standpoint, Because you know, I've heard Ariel

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Speaker 2: say that they should almost make him their own Dana

1287
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Speaker 2: White from this, you know, in terms of like speaking

1288
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Speaker 2: at press conferences and being almost the face in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna be on commentary? What do you what

1290
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Speaker 2: do you see Jake's role this calendar year in this regard, I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think Ariel's probably more right about this thing,

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Speaker 1: not you know, Dana White level I don't know. I again,

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear Aero's comments. I'm only reacting on what

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Speaker 1: you said. But if that's what he said, that's I

1295
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Speaker 1: think that's pretty accurate. I mean, if you like, you know,

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Speaker 1: who's the head of Strike Force excuse me, Bellatoor? There

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Speaker 1: you go, who's ahead of Bellatoor? Scott Coker, who's the

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Speaker 1: head of UFC, Dana Why? And again that's some of

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Speaker 1: that's just like nominally true. Like there's other players involved

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Speaker 1: that are as important in some ways, perhaps more important,

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Speaker 1: right than just the sort of the titular head of

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Speaker 1: the organization. But in the case of PFL, there's Don

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Speaker 1: Davis and then there's another gentleman, Pete something. I forget

1304
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Speaker 1: his name, dropic or I forget his name. But these

1305
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: are like important guys that are very very smart. Please

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01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: don't mist understand me. They're very relevant to the job,

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Speaker 1: but they don't have quite a media outreach charisma type

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Speaker 1: role within the media. They're more just guys who say

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Speaker 1: things in press releases in terms of how the media

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Speaker 1: treats them. You know you're getting a Jake Paul to

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: have a more hands on touch with various PFL cards

1312
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: would be a good idea, but also he has to

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Speaker 1: have something to sell, right, Just asking Jake to go

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01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: around sell like a run of the mill PFL car

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Speaker 1: that's a waste of his time. Give him something he

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Speaker 1: can actually sink his teeth into, and that's something that

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Speaker 1: they can't produce more, not hardly any organization can produce

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Speaker 1: more regularly.

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Speaker 2: Do you Because look straight up PFL signing Jake Paul

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Speaker 2: being that he's that much of an outspoken Dana White

1321
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Speaker 2: and UFC critic being that his announcement was sort of

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Speaker 2: sold on the idea of like fifty to fifty split

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Speaker 2: of revenue on pay per views and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: do everything in the UFC is not. Do you think

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Speaker 2: the U The PFL broadcast, even though it's on ESPN

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: and the same network as UFC, will feature anti UFC

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Speaker 2: propaganda in the same way of the WWE WCW nineties

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Speaker 2: Monday Night Wars that see.

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Speaker 1: I would have said, I'm not sure what those look

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Speaker 1: like exactly, but BC I would have said, no, earlier,

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Speaker 1: maybe six months ago, I would have said, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that they want that smoke. Not so sure now,

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Speaker 1: Not so sure now. It would be a.

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Speaker 2: Different conversation if you're getting go right, it would be

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Speaker 2: a different conversation.

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Speaker 1: If you can get him, Yeah, if you if you

1337
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: can secure the best heavyweight on Earth on your roster

1338
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Speaker 1: by this like sort of you know, it's more pr

1339
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Speaker 1: push than anything. But the revshare part of it certainly

1340
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Speaker 1: is interesting. Yeah. Then that then they might go full

1341
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: on aggressive with it. But uh, I think that to me,

1342
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Speaker 1: the question you raise is it's really unknowable at this juncture.

1343
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Speaker 1: But to me, it's the most interesting question about their

1344
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: posture moving forward. How adversarial do they get with their

1345
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: ESPN sort of bunk mates?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And I guess they're in the top bunk. You know,

1348
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Speaker 1: U season the bottom. But that that is to me

1349
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Speaker 1: the most interesting one because it will tell you a

1350
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Speaker 1: lot about where they see their future versus not.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that the bottom bunk is the more

1352
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: desired spot?

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Speaker 1: See it changes among siblings. I al, here's the way

1354
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Speaker 1: I look at it. It's that the older sibling tends

1355
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Speaker 1: to get first pick and the.

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Speaker 2: Older sibling goes up top because he doesn't. He's not

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Speaker 2: afraid to fall off.

1358
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Speaker 1: But they have the little barrier there no matter what,

1359
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: can't fall off from true like you don't just re

1360
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: don't just risk it? Or did you just risk it

1361
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Speaker 1: with your twins? You didn't give him a beer. I

1362
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Speaker 1: hope when I wake up one of you motherfuckers isn't dead.

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Speaker 1: That'd be terrible.

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Speaker 2: You know. Did you have a bunk bed set up

1365
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Speaker 2: in your dorm in college at William and Mary.

1366
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to. The rooms were too small. There

1367
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: was no they could. You couldn't have two flat beds

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Speaker 1: on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Did you have the top? Did you have the top bunk?

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Speaker 1: I had the bottom?

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Speaker 2: Did your roommate do gross things in the top bunk bed?

1372
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Speaker 2: College students do all the time there in rooms, despite

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Speaker 2: their roommate being right there.

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Speaker 1: My roommate was, he's now a doctor, so if that

1375
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Speaker 1: tells you anything, so his his days of college study. No,

1376
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Speaker 1: he's a radiologist. Actually he's a radiologist. My buddy, Matt

1377
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: shouts to Matt. He he got he's a doctor now.

1378
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: So he spent his entire senior year doing pre med stuff.

1379
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Speaker 1: So he was never he was in a no fucking section.

1380
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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to tell you a lot of banging,

1381
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Speaker 1: So when he did I would just have to leave

1382
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Speaker 1: the room. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: But on the or handle, Yeah, your brother Matt is

1384
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: also a doctor. I did want to.

1385
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Speaker 1: A doctor of math, but not a doctor of this

1386
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Speaker 1: kind of thing.

1387
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a doctor of replying to my d MS,

1388
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: indeed to close on pfl are you as excited as

1389
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: me for Tiago Sante's here and you know, but also

1390
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: not at all? Also, uh, Shane Burgos, I'm nervous about.

1391
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: None of this ship is real to me. They announced

1392
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of Fugazi matchups until they're independently confirmed number

1393
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: one and then number two. Why the fuck is Brendan

1394
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Lockman fire Locknane fighting fucking Marlon Morice who's on a

1395
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: five fight getting stopped losing streak like.

1396
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: Because they moved that was a idea because they bought

1397
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: Mariche for his name and the fact that he's uh

1398
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: you know, it was a UFC title contender, And I don't.

1399
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Speaker 1: Give commissions, shouldn't sanction it, They shouldn't say inappropriate fight.

1400
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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't he lose his PFL debut already that on

1401
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: the Sham. Yes, yeah, yeah, they got all the battle

1402
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: right now.

1403
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: Hold on, he was doing well, but he ultimately got stopped.

1404
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: He got fucked. What happened?

1405
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Hey, Luke. Topic number four is

1406
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: a little in house selling here, but I had a

1407
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: little part in this and I'm happy to do this

1408
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: here tonight on Showtime. How about this? You know you

1409
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: can get thirty days a free show Time right now.

1410
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: We already talked to that about that. But Showtime's got

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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: some of the best documentary game going out there. Stand

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: will debut tonight, which of course is the story of

1413
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: former NBA star Mock Mood Abdul Rajuf turned social justice

1414
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: activist and Luke when it comes to telling Mock Mood's story,

1415
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: a media pariah in the nineteen nineties who was more

1416
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: or less and he confirmed it in the interview I

1417
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: did with him, blackballed and you know, almost banned from

1418
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: the NBA. To recap if you haven't, you know, if

1419
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: you didn't live his journey like we did. Back in

1420
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: the nineties, he was playing at a near all star

1421
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 2: level with the Denver Nuggets. Of course, he was a

1422
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: huge star in college at LSU under the name of

1423
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: Chris Jackson, but beginning in his third NBA season, when

1424
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Speaker 2: he converted to Islam, changed his name, began to be

1425
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: very outspoken about that, and then of course eventually stopped

1426
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Speaker 2: standing for the national anthem. He became a very public pariah,

1427
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: suspended by the team. Eventually they worked out a deal

1428
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: where he would be fined for not standing, and then

1429
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: he started to be well, why don't you stand in pray?

1430
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: It got messy there, Luke. A couple of years later

1431
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: he's out of the league for good. A couple of

1432
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Speaker 2: years after that, the KKK burned down his house. So

1433
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Speaker 2: the documentary is powerful. I got a chance to watch

1434
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: it in advance because of where we're at today. Think

1435
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick. Think all of that, Luke. Think of the

1436
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: fact that it's becoming rightfully so more allowed for pro

1437
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: athletes to speak out on big issues and to be

1438
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: given a platform to speak, where even just twenty years

1439
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: ago that was not the case. Well Morning Com YouTube

1440
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Speaker 2: dot com slash Morning Combat, of course for our bonus content.

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Speaker 2: I had a great sit down with Mackwood. You know me,

1442
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm a nineties NBA junkie, but we talked about a

1443
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: lot of good stuff for mental health, religion, all the

1444
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: way across the board. We're going to throw to one

1445
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: sound where I essentially asked mack mood this. You told

1446
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: me you believed you were black balled from the league.

1447
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: So what was it? Was it not standing for the

1448
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: national anthem? Was it the comment he made about nine

1449
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: to eleven that essentially got a proposed comeback with the

1450
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: New York Knicks in two thousand and one, you know, demolished?

1451
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: Was it being Muslim? What was it? Was it one

1452
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: thing or was it everything that led to his ultimate

1453
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: demise from the NBA. Let's hear what he had to say.

1454
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: I think I thought it was a combination of things.

1455
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: But I think the nail in the coffin was and

1456
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't he I'm disrupting business when it's all said

1457
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: and done. And when you deal with an African American athlete,

1458
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 3: athletes entertain as musicians, whether we like it or not. Listen,

1459
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 3: youth oftentimes statistically are probably going to listen to us

1460
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Speaker 3: more than they listened to their parents and teach yeah, influence.

1461
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Speaker 2: And so even back in the day during jaed Garhoopa's.

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Speaker 3: Period, is now declassified information.

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Speaker 7: He came out and said something down the lines of

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Speaker 7: we want to I'm just paraphrase, we want to promote

1465
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Speaker 7: the brain dead athlete, not like Muhammad A.

1466
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Speaker 3: Leeds, Right, this is what we want to push to

1467
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Speaker 3: the public because of the influence that they have.

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Speaker 7: And so when you when you top of that, on

1469
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 7: top of that with you have someone that is practicing

1470
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Speaker 7: their religion, like even with Ac Green, A C. Green

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Speaker 7: was a Christian.

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Speaker 2: A C. Green was like he wore Christianity on his sleeves.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of shun shunned even, right, because there's a

1474
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 3: country club environment, right, of other things they don't want.

1475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody wants to hear about your celibacy, was what

1476
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: we used to say, right, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: Even if it's not hearing about it, it's just the

1478
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 3: fact that you're there and we know that you're trying

1479
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: to be on the straight and now, and you make us.

1480
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 7: Feel uncomfortable because we're doing what we know we shouldn't

1481
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Speaker 7: be doing in a sense. And so with all of that,

1482
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Speaker 7: and you say something about this country, right, and so

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 7: many people there's this intoxicated I think here there is

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 7: this intoxicated intoxicated nationalism and patriotis everybody, even in the

1485
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 7: Slam says he created us in nations and tribes, not

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 7: so that you will despise one.

1487
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Speaker 2: Another, so that you'll know one another.

1488
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: The best of you is he that is most righteous.

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Speaker 7: So even we like, oh but it's intoxicated, it's like, oh,

1490
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 7: we can't do no wrong. And so I think when

1491
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 7: it's all said and done, it wasn't so much me.

1492
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 7: It was like kind of like what nam Chomsky said,

1493
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 7: the threat of a good example or bad example depend

1494
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 7: on what he's saying.

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: You know what.

1496
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: We have to make an example of him to send

1497
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: a message to others that if you do this, this

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: is what's gonna happen.

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: Luka. I like that he's and this is not about

1500
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: whether you believe and have the same opinions politically or

1501
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: even socially on everything he stood for. But I love

1502
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 2: now that that we look back and say, you know,

1503
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: he should have at least had the chance to stand

1504
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: up and say his piece, you know, without losing his job.

1505
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: More or less. I love that he's getting his flowers now.

1506
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: And I know people hate that we over use that statement,

1507
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: but I think in this case it actually makes sense

1508
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: that you know, again believe or agree with what he

1509
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: says or not, but he did have the guts to

1510
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: put everything on the line for what he did believe

1511
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: in back in the day and getting a chance to

1512
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: talk with him, I mean, he has like a Yoda

1513
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: like vibe of wisdom to him. It was it was

1514
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: something that I you know, it meant a lot to

1515
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: me and I once to forget.

1516
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: The phrase is overused and it's kind of stupid and

1517
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: boring now. But he was canceled. That's what he was canceled.

1518
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: He was canceled. He was canceled for his views, his

1519
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: political views, and he doesn't have right wing political views.

1520
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: He got canceled for the opposite. And you know, I

1521
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: just want to be very clear about this. And we

1522
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: talk about who gets silenced, who gets to have a voice,

1523
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: and who does it and when it's a complicated one,

1524
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: it's a it's one where it's incessant debate. But in

1525
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: that moment in time, he didn't get to have one.

1526
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: And he didn't get to have one because of his

1527
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: view was in his religious identity. That's just the reality.

1528
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: The larger NBA and sporting world and common society canceled

1529
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: him for it. So be very clear, foes of cancel culture,

1530
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: who exactly that means you're supporting, and why that's important

1531
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: to be standing on principle.

1532
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I mean even you know, everybody could

1533
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: check out the documentary Stand Tonight that premieres in Showtime.

1534
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: Even back then, I mean there was file footage of

1535
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,879
Speaker 2: you know, in the Muslim community, some people were divided

1536
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: and were against him for not standing for the national

1537
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: anthem and for you know, Hakeem Olajuan came out. A

1538
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: lot of people did. But you know, looking at what

1539
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: he went through, his battle with Tourette syndrome, mental health,

1540
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: all of that, I have a lot of respect for

1541
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 2: for who he is in and you know, it couldn't

1542
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: have been easy. It couldn't have been easy, Luke, and

1543
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: and he risked it all and in some cases, you know,

1544
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: he lost it all from the standpoint of the dream

1545
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: and the business and the money and all that. But

1546
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: I think in the long run, you know, he's at

1547
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: peace with his life now and and this is a

1548
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: very moving documentary that I recommend to everybody.

1549
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare him, I don't want to

1550
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: compare every situation to another one and overstate things. But

1551
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: in one little sliver of our conversation around Francis, this

1552
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: situation is instructive because dude, he was canceled. He lost

1553
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: out on many more millions of dollars he probably could

1554
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: have made right and you know everything else that was

1555
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: taken away early. We can say that, certainly, But to

1556
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: your point, he has he's at peace with it, right

1557
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: because in the end, he made the decisions that were

1558
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: most important to his values, and his values are the

1559
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: things that drove his life. And you can disagree with

1560
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 1: those choices or whatever, but that's the way he lived. Francis.

1561
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: It appears we shall see. And again, you know, I'm

1562
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: not He's not having his house burned down or anything

1563
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: like that, and not the equivalent. But in the idea

1564
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: like we talked about. Obviously, he could fall flat of

1565
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: his face monetarily. But if what he actually says is true,

1566
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: that he's living these decisions because the principle of doing

1567
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: it is the most important part, well, then virtue is

1568
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: its own reward. That is the reward you're virtuous that

1569
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to come with my terry gain, and

1570
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: it often comes with the opposite.

1571
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: Anybody who is looking at And I guess the Francis

1572
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: situation can be a little gray because leaving the UFC

1573
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: doesn't mean does it mean he can't make money.

1574
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to make the Francis one. I'm

1575
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: just making it because it's it's recent.

1576
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 2: I mean, he could make big money and even mockmood.

1577
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: Even though when he was blackballed and banned from the NBA,

1578
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: he still went to Europe. He still made it an

1579
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: NBA comeback, a short lived one a couple of years later.

1580
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: I mean there was there was that, But the whole

1581
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: idea is when you can walk away from money and say,

1582
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: essentially like that's not my God. What I'm standing on,

1583
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: what I believe in is more important, dude, I've got

1584
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: respect for That's why this, to me, this is not

1585
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: a political movie. His story is not a political one.

1586
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: To me, it's a I mean, it can't it can

1587
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: be Luke. But I think in general, even though him

1588
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: and I don't have the same necessarily religious beliefs, his

1589
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: message that he's sharing now through this movie, to me,

1590
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: is very universal and I was moved by it, and

1591
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 2: I think.

1592
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: That people can see the unfairness of how it all

1593
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: went for him, and can I think most reasonable people

1594
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: would agree, even though who might be very much on

1595
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: the other side politically. I think the reasonable versions among

1596
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: them can see that this is not the way it

1597
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: should have gone for him, right Like he should not

1598
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: have had to suffer the indignities and the pushback and

1599
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: the threats and the violence and everything else that went

1600
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: with it. That part was unfair, Okay, But I do

1601
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: think I mean, he's quoting Chomsky to you, right, I

1602
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: mean there are clear left wing political dimensions to what

1603
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: he is saying, and you can agree or not. I

1604
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: mean that's a separate debate. But to say it's not political,

1605
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite fair either. There are clear

1606
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: political dimensions to it. We should be here.

1607
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: We are details of a situation that are political. But

1608
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: I think the overall message and what we can learn

1609
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: in hindsight of how things went down for him, I

1610
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: think is a is a more universal message because he

1611
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: was never about violence in his message. He was never

1612
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: about you know, it was more about peace. And when

1613
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: he called out the American flag and was so heavily villainized,

1614
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: which I understand, especially then, why people reacted that way.

1615
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: He was never here to tell you the you you

1616
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, the US is evil, you know,

1617
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, well, then go move. It was more

1618
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: about I don't want to stand for this flag because

1619
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: of my you know, beliefs and at times what that

1620
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 2: flag stands for. And it's it's it's a very interesting topic.

1621
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: If you want more, catch out to catch the documentary tonight.

1622
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: But Luke from a basketball standpoint, very good, pro, almost

1623
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 2: an All star, almost great. It ended too early. But

1624
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: do you remember him in college, like you know that

1625
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 2: is like that goes back when he was a freshman

1626
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: averaging thirty points a game at LSU the year before

1627
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,480
Speaker 2: Shack came in. Dude, it was like must see appointment

1628
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: viewing TV when he would have like the big you know,

1629
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: national CBS Game of the week to see a six

1630
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 2: foot one guard who told me, Luke really five to

1631
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: eleven just I mean he would score in bunches. And Luke,

1632
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: that's back. When you drive the lane at that size, dude,

1633
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: they put you in the front row, they will knock

1634
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 2: you the hell down. And that guy you know before

1635
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 2: Steph Curry, before Iverson even was just fearless and and

1636
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 2: I'm happy he gets the respect now at.

1637
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: Least great interview. I have not watched the documentary yet,

1638
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: but that's on the weekend to do lists and I'm

1639
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: excited about it.

1640
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, I got a couple for our final topic.

1641
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: H you know, here and there, odds and ends to

1642
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 2: throw to. We got some video accompaniments. Let's talk about

1643
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: Francis and Gano briefly. Scott Cocher of Bellator was interviewed

1644
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: by Ariel on Wednesday and he said he has a

1645
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: meeting sort of loosely scheduled with Francis and Ghana. And

1646
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: we know and Ganho's in a free agent period where

1647
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: he's talking to many different people globally at the moment

1648
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: to see what his best situation is. But we know

1649
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: from Scott Coker that Bellatore does have interest. Well, you know,

1650
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: I caught up with Ryan Vader. I asked him straight

1651
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 2: up the idea of you get past Fador in your rematch,

1652
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: if Belator goes shopping and they get Francis and ghan

1653
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: who that's something you're looking forward to. Hopefully I'll be

1654
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: done by then.

1655
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: I just joke it.

1656
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 4: I've never backed down from a fight in my life.

1657
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,839
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, everybody in this in this division

1658
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 4: at two of five, and you know, you know in

1659
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 4: my past in the UFC and all that kind of

1660
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: stuff and belt coming in here, they can jump it

1661
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 4: up to heavy. Wait, I thought that who's who of MMA,

1662
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 4: you know, and there's been fights when I walked in

1663
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: there and like, how do I beat this dudent?

1664
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: And I pull it off?

1665
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: You know?

1666
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things when you know, if

1667
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 4: it comes across the table and it's something we need

1668
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 4: to do, you know for sure, you know, don't want

1669
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 4: to fight him, not really, but you know, I do

1670
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 4: believe that I have, you know, certain skills and everything

1671
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 4: to go out there and get the job done.

1672
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: Even with him.

1673
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be in a sport if I if I

1674
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: didn't think I could go into that cage and beat

1675
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,440
Speaker 4: anybody on that planet.

1676
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: I like that answer, Luke. I like the joke up front,

1677
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: and I like him being honest. Do I want to

1678
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: fight him, not particularly, but I'm not going to back down, Luke.

1679
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: What would you think of a fight like that?

1680
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: Well? I didn't hear a word of what he just

1681
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: said because I can't. I couldn't get the audio correctly, So.

1682
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: He pump faked and said that, you know, he hopes

1683
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: he's retired by the time they fight. They signed Francis,

1684
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: but then he, you know, ultimately said he doesn't he

1685
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: doesn't look forward to that matchup, but he thinks he

1686
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: has the skills to win it. Would you be entertained

1687
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 2: by a potential Baiter and Godo heavyweight title fight?

1688
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no interest whatsoever.

1689
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there you go, Luke Thomas, It's not

1690
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: for everybody. Speaking of Bellatour, you know, Luke, if I'm

1691
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: gonna host a show on Friday, and I'm gonna be

1692
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 2: all about the art, and I come across a video

1693
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: of Sabah Holmasi telling us why he's so fricking excited

1694
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: to throw hands against Brennan Ward in the opener of

1695
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: Saturday night's three fight main card at Bellatoor two ninety.

1696
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 2: I am gonna have Mikey play that sound. Luke, I'm

1697
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: here to tell you that sabajl Masi is excited. You

1698
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: ready to find out why?

1699
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: So You're gonna make some kind of ejaculation comment.

1700
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: I cannot predict the future. Here we go, Let's go

1701
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: to the video tape.

1702
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 8: Right here in front of you, big slot, opening the

1703
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 8: card on CBS against another guy that fans have been

1704
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 8: clamoring for you to fight for a couple of years now.

1705
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: How excited are you for this matchup?

1706
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 6: In this opportunity, You'll see how excited I am on

1707
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 6: Saturday Night. I'm gonna come all over the place, fucking

1708
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 6: blow my load. I'm a fucking beat. This guy's facing

1709
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 6: all right.

1710
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: I think we can end it right there. Dude, that time,

1711
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: I think I think there, guys, that's uh, that's right.

1712
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 2: That was better. Remember when al Joe was like, I'm

1713
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna come on top of his back and take it

1714
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: and choke him out, and we were like, dude, let's

1715
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 2: hold off on the former. The latter's fine with us.

1716
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: But it's been like the first five years of my

1717
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: hardcore fan of being like I hate the people who

1718
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: are like MMA is homo erotic, and now I'm like, dude,

1719
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: it's the most homo erotic sport on fucking Earth.

1720
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's gonna get their rocks off Saturday. Luca, let's

1721
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 2: hope for Homasi's sake, it's him, all right. Also, Luke,

1722
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, but uh Bomani

1723
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: Jones has a show on HBO These Days, and there

1724
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: was a teaser put out by the network of the

1725
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: interview that he has in the hopper with Jake Paul,

1726
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 2: like got a little spicy, Let's check this out.

1727
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury. Where do you go from there? Like? What

1728
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: happens if you lose one of these fights?

1729
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 9: I don't plan on losing, you know, I don't train

1730
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 9: to lose. Maybe that I feel like that's probably like

1731
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 9: your mindset. You know, a lot of people try to

1732
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 9: project their mindsets.

1733
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,839
Speaker 1: On the No, I ain't no projective of a mindset.

1734
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: My question is this is work because we're all surprised

1735
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 1: that you keep winning these fights, right, But if somebody

1736
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: does beat you, how much interest stays in this when

1737
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: it stops being a.

1738
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 2: Suprised They won't.

1739
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 9: They won't And and I'm gonna be honest, bro, I

1740
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 9: don't know who the fuck you are.

1741
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 2: My pr team says I know about.

1742
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: You is that people don't like you. That sounds that

1743
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: sounds vaguely like my father talking to me in my

1744
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: high school graduation.

1745
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow. Is there a story there or was

1746
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 2: it just that Jake didn't like the line of questioning.

1747
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean, and here's the thing, this is what you

1748
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: just get when you get people who aren't in the

1749
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: fight game interviewing fighters. Sometimes the interviews are better in

1750
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: some ways, they're better, in some ways they're worse or

1751
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: just you know, because like you and I would never

1752
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: ask a fighter what happens if you lose, because we've

1753
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: done it a million times already. You just and you've

1754
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: seen it. You just know what you're gonna get. The

1755
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: answer is I don't train to lose. They're just not

1756
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna give you an answer there, so we just kind

1757
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: of go the other way, right, You kind of have

1758
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: to work with him a little bit in terms of

1759
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 1: what their worldview allows for It's a perfectly reasonable question

1760
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: for one of us, you know, or one of his

1761
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: advisors or something. But asking if fight or that, on

1762
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, like is it like the

1763
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: saying things like well, I must be you projecting. It's

1764
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 1: like maybe just like try to understand that not everyone

1765
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: thinks the way you think, and to answer this in

1766
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: a more like professional way, like it's not I understand

1767
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: that's probably not the best question to ask, but it's

1768
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: not like an insult in the way that he took

1769
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: it so that like there was just a you know,

1770
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: you get the wires crossed like that a little bit.

1771
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: You know, do you think a feud will rise up now?

1772
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: Because I've seen a lot of people go, oh my god,

1773
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: Bomani's gonna hammer him out moving forward.

1774
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I know, like Bomani's audience doesn't watch Jake Paul anyway,

1775
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: Like any negative things Bomani says about him is gonna

1776
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: have zero. Like that's why Jake said he didn't know him.

1777
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: It's not because Boumani doesn't have a ag or profile

1778
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: among sports media types that he does. It's that no

1779
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: one in Jake's audience watches him. I think that's pretty

1780
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: fair to say.

1781
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 2: So do you think.

1782
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,440
Speaker 1: That's a sick.

1783
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: We see that from time to time, the sick burn

1784
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: of going wait, who is that? I don't even know

1785
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 2: who you are? That's that's like a Jake Paul go

1786
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: to move and I thought he delivered it, you know,

1787
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: kind of kind of well, kind of kind of cold here, But.

1788
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: Do you like Thatmani's Mamani's comeback was good. He's like, well, dude,

1789
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: like let's be honest about why I know you you know, yeah,

1790
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: that was good.

1791
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: All right. Finally, Luke, just a little note, how about

1792
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: this banda weight matchup? It's already been announcing. We love it.

1793
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 2: Marlon Vera, Corey Sanhagen was supposed to be at the

1794
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: Apex on February eleventh, now going to get the full

1795
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: audience treatment. It's been moved to March twenty fifth, San Antonio, Texas,

1796
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: the main event of a fight Night card.

1797
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: Your reaction, I think it's I listen, when the pandemic hit,

1798
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: there were not many great parts about it, But one

1799
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: of the things that I didn't mind was like the

1800
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: quietness of the Apex, be like, oh, I need to

1801
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: hear the audience. Well, I mean, you know, to each

1802
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: their own, is what I would say. But it also

1803
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: is just quite obviously clear at this point that there's

1804
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: a big portion of the fan base that would clearly

1805
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: love to be there for that kind of a fight

1806
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: in that it's clear that between the media and the fans,

1807
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: there's a portion of them that I would say the

1808
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: vast majority, who would really like to see big five

1809
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 1: round main events that matter, that are exciting that the

1810
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: fans are excited about, not be put in the Apex,

1811
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: but being put in front of actual audiences. Well, congratulations,

1812
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. And so if you're the kind

1813
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: of person that really relishes that, especially if you're in

1814
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: San Antonio, congratulations. But I tend to think it's all

1815
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: good news. Right.

1816
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna be March twenty fifth, as I mentioned,

1817
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: and that same night showtime pay per view will be

1818
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas when former super middleweight champions Caleb Plant

1819
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: and David Benavita square off. We've been playing different clips

1820
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: to remind people of the legitimate bad beef between them. Well, Luke,

1821
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 2: yesterday they had a hell of a press conference to

1822
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: kick things off. There's a huge fight in a huge division.

1823
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: You don't even need a title at stake. Let's see

1824
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: what happened between these two on the stage.

1825
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 8: Out already sleep, I'm gonna do to YouTube. Hey you're

1826
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 8: at the highest level, high like bitch.

1827
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: You got thirteen knockouts.

1828
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: You hit like a little bitch, asked Anthonydrel.

1829
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 8: Anthony Darrel, sorry, shut up, shop finished.

1830
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna do that. Finish you ain't gonna do

1831
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: You're scared, You're scared.

1832
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 8: There's a lot of tough guy raw ross stuff. You know, guys,

1833
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 8: looks like he's about a cry his fucking eyes. I

1834
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 8: see if I know a pussy, want to see one,

1835
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 8: even as dads. You know, Senior, he he calls all

1836
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 8: types of fighters bitches and pussies, and.

1837
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: I respect everybody. You a bitch, I respect everybody.

1838
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 8: You may you know, you may hear a banner between fighters.

1839
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 8: You may even hear a fighter say something like I've

1840
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 8: never lost to a white boy, and I'm not about

1841
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 8: to start now, who when did Anthony Darrell? I'm not

1842
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 8: talking about, So don't don't bring that up, like if

1843
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 8: I'm the one saying that, I didn't.

1844
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 5: Say you said that.

1845
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: Dude ain't scary. He's so mad. He's so mad, you're

1846
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: not gonna do nothing.

1847
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 8: So anyways, you know you you're here, Jose Senor, you

1848
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 8: know he calls fighters bitches and plus season. You may

1849
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 8: hear that between fighters, but you don't normally hear boxing

1850
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 8: coaches talking like that. And the reason you don't really

1851
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 8: hear that is because a lot of boxing they've been,

1852
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 8: they've been in the ring, they've been in.

1853
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: The ring, they fought before.

1854
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 8: You've never fought, You never made that walk, you never

1855
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 8: had to lace up a pair of gloves and feature family.

1856
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 8: You don't know what it's like, so it's easy for

1857
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 8: you to toss those words around because you never had

1858
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 8: to do it.

1859
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: Can be great. I don't care what anyone says is

1860
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna be great.

1861
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't know you could not love that, even though

1862
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: it's you know, back and forth swearing you're a pussy

1863
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 2: left and right. Like, what do we want as as

1864
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: fight fans? Obviously we love technique, and we love world

1865
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: titles and royalty. Dude, we love old school grudges. I

1866
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: don't like you. I think you're a pos So let's

1867
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 2: go do it. These two have hated each other for

1868
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: a long ass time and now the stars are aligning.

1869
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 2: And just so you know, Luke, the two teams nearly

1870
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: came to blows when they got out of the cars

1871
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: outside of the event, and I saw on Twitter that

1872
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 2: they that some level of a fight did happen after

1873
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: this press conference between extended members of their team, So like,

1874
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: this shit's real. I mean, he's calling out Senior telling

1875
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: him you know you ain't never fought before. I mean this, dude,

1876
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: I'm here for this. Would you say this about Caleb Plant?

1877
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: You can love or hate his personality. But he wants

1878
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 2: every single inch of the smoke. He wants it wall,

1879
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 2: he wants to smoke.

1880
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: And I made this point on the pre show meeting,

1881
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: which was man like. People think that like the salty

1882
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: hardcore is like what they don't care about the beef

1883
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: at all, and the reality is that's not true. The

1884
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: problem is that beef is so often introduced where it

1885
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really exist, or it's magnified in obvious ways that

1886
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: didn't need to be, or it's too much the promotional

1887
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: focus when that really was there were other more interesting

1888
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: angles about it. But when two guys have a genuinely

1889
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: organic dispute, which is actually rare, that actually does it

1890
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: like a true Hatfields and McCoy's type situation right when

1891
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: there's like there's just bad blood all the way across.

1892
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: It is almost irresolvable and it's real. Even if they

1893
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: never fought, it would be as real as as the

1894
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, the the sunrise and sunset. When you get that, yet,

1895
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,480
Speaker 1: it absolutely makes a fight better. When you get that

1896
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: that is that that extra something, that extra seasoning on top,

1897
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: hit it with that garlic pattern, nah, all that stuff, right,

1898
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: the good stuff, That's what this is and then on

1899
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: top of it, Hello, these are two the best guys

1900
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: in that weight class. Like what is what is not

1901
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: to lie?

1902
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 2: Hit him with the horns money? Yeah, I mean, like

1903
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, don't like Benavillez. I think should

1904
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: be the betting favorite. And I don't even know what

1905
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: the odds are right now, but don't sleep on who

1906
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant is becoming with Steven Bredman Edwards in his

1907
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 2: corner and the confidence is just like doubling and tripling.

1908
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 2: So could he do the same thing to Benaviez that

1909
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: he did to Durell? I mean I would doubt it,

1910
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: but like he is not willing to.

1911
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Bernard Hopkins said he thinks Plant beats benavita Is and

1912
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: and relatively easily at that. I don't know about that,

1913
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: but ah B hop doesn't doesn't rep him. He's not

1914
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: a golden boy fighter, you know, none of that stuff.

1915
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: No those guys.

1916
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we are going to be on the ground

1917
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas for this fight, Luke. Hopefully we'll get

1918
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 2: to host some of the fight week events like we

1919
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: get the chance to do. This is the type of

1920
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: way in press conference stream that I love hosting when

1921
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 2: there's some energy in that building. You know what I'm saying, Luke,

1922
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: Let's do this shit. Okay, this is what I'm talking about.

1923
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1924
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: I got one more clip because after that near scuffle

1925
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: on stage, Caleb Plant did and all all the fighters

1926
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 2: did some media scrums. Here's Caleb Plant talking about Benevitez.

1927
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: One more time, say his best attitude that you have

1928
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: to worry about, probably the big ass titties.

1929
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 1: He guy, Play it again. Hold no, no, no, no, play

1930
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: it again, playing one more time, playing one more time,

1931
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: say his best attitude that you have to worry about.

1932
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: Uh pibly the big ass titties.

1933
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: He guy, dude, he gave that dead pan. He was like, Yep,

1934
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I we're looking for.

1935
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: What's the what's the thing you have to worry about most?

1936
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: Probably the big ass titties. That's me before my date

1937
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: at prom.

1938
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 2: You know where it is?

1939
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: What do you? What are you most worry is gonna

1940
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: tribute up tonight? Probably some big ass hitties. If I'm

1941
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: just doing well.

1942
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: On that note, it's time to hear a word from

1943
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 2: one of our sponsors. Could I read off that screen

1944
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: anymore deliberately, Luke? But you know you think if they

1945
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: asked Caleb Plant why he what's the number one reason

1946
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 2: why you picked Private Internet Security? And he was like,

1947
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, probably Luke. Real quick. On the way out

1948
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: before we get to our final segment, I wanted to

1949
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: congratulate Evan corn of Top Rank. People know him as

1950
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: as one of the better boxing PR guys in this game.

1951
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 2: Today he is still going to be doing some PR,

1952
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 2: but he's announced that he is going to transition into

1953
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: more of a matchmaking role with Top Rank moving forward,

1954
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 2: getting to learn under the you know, sit under the

1955
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 2: learning tree of the Hall of famers like Brad Goodman,

1956
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 2: Bruce Trampler, you know, I mean like a good guy

1957
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: in the business. He's a ginger though, Luke, but a

1958
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 2: good guy in the business, and I'm really happy for

1959
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: him in that regard. You ever, you ever meet the

1960
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 2: cornerman or no, you're not a big.

1961
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: I may have met him at an event, but I don't,

1962
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a professional relationship with him,

1963
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: all right.

1964
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Top Rank also acquired Gabe Revos, who's one of the

1965
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: best translators and PR men in the game. He used

1966
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 2: to work with Golden Boys, So congrats on the new

1967
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 2: gigs for them and Luke Edgar Berlanga, the unbeaten super

1968
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 2: middleweight who top rank effectively divorced. Did you see he's

1969
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,520
Speaker 2: narrowing his search down to Golden Boy Eddie Hernet Matrimsport

1970
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: and Al Hayman and the PBC. He's been courted by

1971
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: all three and he's going to make a too. I

1972
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: know you're not huge on his long term potential, but

1973
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 2: imagine if he parachuted down into the land of PBC

1974
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 2: at one six ' eight that could be pretty interesting.

1975
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Let's say he fought andre and who would win.

1976
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: I hear you, I hear you. I mean he might

1977
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: maybe he goes to wherever Canelo goes. There are rumors,

1978
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: by the way, that Canelo wants to come back as

1979
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 2: early as May fifth and fight in Mexico against mandatory

1980
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 2: John Ryder. I don't know if that would move you

1981
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: at all.

1982
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw that report as well, and I have, like,

1983
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean, less than zero interest in that.

1984
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: So all right, there you go. Our final segment. It

1985
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 2: begins with an email Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Every Friday,

1986
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 2: we give you the chance to get back at us

1987
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 2: to say hey, I sat through you know ten twelve

1988
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: hours of YouTube slobs on the microphone and that one

1989
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 2: time you said some shit that was just not true.

1990
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,879
Speaker 2: And I'm not true like I receieves to prove it.

1991
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 2: It's the pedantic p home. It's called dead Wrong. We've

1992
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 2: got angry male viewers. There we go, Here we go.

1993
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 2: This is from Telvin Dude, Telvin Key, Papa Luke from Hawaii.

1994
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: You know this guy right, not personally, but yeah.

1995
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Okay, he says, Aloha, this is your favorite Hawaiian viewer.

1996
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 2: This dead Wrong is for Luke. Episode four eighty two.

1997
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: At twenty nine to thirty into the video, Luke said,

1998
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 2: tough on ESPN Plus did one season that's dead wrong.

1999
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: They did too. The first one was Vulk versus t City.

2000
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: The second one was Nunis Pana. You probably would have

2001
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 2: known that if you didn't, yeah, you probably would have

2002
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 2: known that if you didn't go back to vaping to

2003
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: old washed piece of shit. I know the PFL smart

2004
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 2: age wouldn't have made that mistake. Also, when you guys

2005
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: are done with the UK, any chance you guys are

2006
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 2: doing a live show in Hawaii at the world's renowned

2007
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 2: Lava Shack. It would be a great show. Keep up

2008
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: the great work in ps.

2009
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Seriously, we need to do a live podcast from the

2010
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: Lava Shack.

2011
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. I mean, lud forget, we don't

2012
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 2: need Dan Hardy there, We'll just get BJ. That'd be

2013
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Governor Penn. That'd be fantastic. But Telvin also says, hey, BC,

2014
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 2: thanks for the follow on IG. Look, I follow fans

2015
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 2: if they if they enter the you know, the the interview.

2016
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Dude, you love giving cats to stray milk, and then

2017
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: six months later being like, dude, this guy is sending

2018
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: me nothing.

2019
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 2: But dick picks. What do I say, never happened?

2020
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm alive. Who don't start by not accepting those invites?

2021
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: That's what you do, all right?

2022
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Hey, Derek is here, He says, well, good old fuck

2023
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: stick McGee is back at it. During the intro to

2024
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 2: episode four oh four, BC remarked that James Hetfield acknowledged

2025
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 2: that Metallica sold out every show every night. He's likely

2026
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: referring to the Behind the Music episode about the band

2027
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: from the late nineties I am. Unfortunately for our vinyl

2028
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 2: obsessed basement dweller, that quote is properly attributed to former

2029
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: bassist Jason Newstead. He's stood, he's uh so, Derek says

2030
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 2: new Stead is a stud, but Hetfield ain't. Thanks fellows.

2031
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 2: Safe travels to the UK, Well, I heard Hetfield say

2032
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 2: that on the Behind the music, So am I dead

2033
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 2: wrong because I didn't a tribute.

2034
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 1: I think you're misremembering who said it. I think he's

2035
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: right that actually on camera at the time the bassist

2036
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: said it. He's no longer with them, but.

2037
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: I think I think Hetfield said that. I don't know.

2038
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: I'll get back at Derek though he said safe.

2039
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: Travels to the catch somewhere online.

2040
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: Probably catch you catch a fade from from this guy's

2041
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 2: the internet.

2042
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: Knocking in the UK is telling us that the that

2043
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: the fans said that that Tellvid is right or whoever

2044
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: the fuck said this?

2045
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,919
Speaker 2: Derek from the UK, Yeah, not telling them people. Yeah,

2046
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 2: all right, finally we got TJ here, He says. This

2047
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: is TJ from Victoria and beautiful British Columbia. I have

2048
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 2: two dead wrongs for y'all. Both are attributed to my

2049
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: fellow Indian Luke Thomas at one hour, eleven minute and

2050
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 2: forty six second mark, when BX asked Luke whether the

2051
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 2: mandatory military service was the reason for Doohou choice absence

2052
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: from the UFA, Luke said, quote that would have been

2053
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 2: four years, implying the mandatory military service Koreans is a

2054
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 2: minimum of four years. Luke, you're dead wrong. The mandatory

2055
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 2: military service for able bodied South Korean men is only

2056
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: a minimum of eighteen to twenty one months.

2057
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Interesting did not know that? Okay?

2058
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: Well, the second dead wrong is an oldie. During the

2059
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: holiday Mailbox episode what the hell's the Holiday mail mail Bag?

2060
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Mail Bag? You have bag of Dix.

2061
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 2: At three minutes and forty six seconds, Luke recommends the

2062
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: animated movie Klaus and says, I watched one of on

2063
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 2: Netflix recently that won an Academy Award. Yes, we're talking

2064
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: about Seabisk again, Luke, Once again, you're dead wrong. Although

2065
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: surely nominated for Best Animated Feature, it did not win

2066
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: the prestigious award that honor, yes that's the correct spelling

2067
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 2: of the word h O n O u R was

2068
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 2: given to Toy Story four. I don't care, he says, Luke.

2069
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 2: TJ says, you may want to examine the contents of

2070
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: the hair gel that your DC barber replies, when you

2071
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 2: get that one hundred dollars haircut, it seems to be

2072
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: depleting your brain count dramatically. Be that as it may.

2073
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 2: You seem to have reached your intellectual upper bound limit

2074
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 2: and it's all downhill from hair jokes aside. I wish

2075
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: you guys' success, have a fantastic trip to the UK.

2076
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: He is right. It was nominated for an Academy Award.

2077
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: It won a Bafta. I believe you see, you know

2078
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: what BAFTA is.

2079
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 2: Uh is that the film festival in bamf is that

2080
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 2: the bamfil film film film.

2081
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: The Bafta is like the British Oscars. It's there.

2082
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't know that.

2083
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. It looks like it won. It

2084
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: looks like it won a Bafta, and then it got

2085
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: nominated for a bunch of other shit. So did get

2086
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:57,440
Speaker 1: nominated by for Best Animated Feature And it's very very good.

2087
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Luke, while you are currently through two weeks

2088
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 2: kicking my my arsehole in on the okay bet competition,

2089
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 2: I think we need a dead wrong scoreboard because.

2090
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Dude, Jesus, I had two bad weeks. Motherfucker, you are

2091
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the dead wrongs.

2092
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so you want

2093
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: to play?

2094
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, dude, we can play the long

2095
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: game on this motherfucker will play the game.

2096
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: Look, if you asked the history of my dating life,

2097
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 2: I've been playing the long game for years brother, usually

2098
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,879
Speaker 2: alone though unfortunately. All right, that was morningcombat at gmail

2099
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: dot com. If you want to reach out to Mikey

2100
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 2: and touch them, all right, there you go. Hey, Luke,

2101
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 2: what a show? Right?

2102
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: What a fricking I'm going to say this on the

2103
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: air because otherwise I'm gonna forget. I think we should

2104
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: do on Mondays a recap of how Friday's picks went right.

2105
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Put that off. We can revisit it very quickly on

2106
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Friday show. Here's how we did last week. But I

2107
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: think I don't know how Mikey feels about this. Mikey,

2108
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I think we should recap the results of the weekend

2109
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: on Monday's show. I think that it would work a

2110
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: little bit better that way.

2111
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Basically, you're saying, if we don't show that we care

2112
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: about this segment, no one else will. That's what you're showing.

2113
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: That what you're saying, No, it just seems like, Hey,

2114
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 1: the weekend's over, how did it go right? How did

2115
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: it go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right? Well, thank you Mikey Moore, mooel, CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports for your fantastic production work. Shout out, of course

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Speaker 2: to Showtime, malk all the labels that pay us. You

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Speaker 2: can get thirty days free of Showtime by going to

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Speaker 2: Showtime dot com right now. Uh, don't miss obviously Saturday night,

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Speaker 2: nine pm Eastern on CBS, it's Belatoor two ninety. You

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Speaker 2: can catch the prelim six pm Eastern on YouTube and

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Speaker 2: Pluto TV. Excuse me for that, belch. Look, you and

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Speaker 2: I are gonna be all over CBS Sports HQ for

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Speaker 2: the next two days. Set in that stage there for

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Speaker 2: Bellatour reminder, Luke will be post fight Saturday night morning

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Speaker 2: YouTube dot Com Slash Morning Combat. It's a Bellatoor two

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Speaker 2: ninety instant reaction and analysis. Hey, Looke, can we just

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Speaker 2: put to bed. I know I've complained about this before,

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Speaker 2: but I still get people the rare times I do

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Speaker 2: an ia of saying I can't believe you didn't say

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Speaker 2: no spoiler you know spoiler alert at the beginning. I mean,

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Speaker 2: are you freaking kidding me? If you if you haven't

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Speaker 2: seen the fight and you're actively on YouTube, clicking on

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Speaker 2: a video that says instant reaction, and you're saying to yourself, well,

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Speaker 2: I'll just enjoy the intro until they tell me spoiler

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Speaker 2: alert and then I'll drop off. Why don't you just

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Speaker 2: drop off?

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Speaker 1: In general? All right, just eat a bucket of scorpions.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I just know.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's all we got. Take great care of yourselves. Guys.

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Speaker 2: We will be back Monday. Uh that'll be a regular episode.

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Speaker 2: But we're leaving on a jet plane. Don't know when

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Speaker 2: I'll be back again, but London is calling February eighth,

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Speaker 2: next Wednesday, guys. Like we talked about about twenty ish

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Speaker 2: tickets remaining, and if you're gonna sit, you're gonna sit

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Speaker 2: in the way back. But it's a fine place they

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Speaker 2: got there. Look, do you know that King's Place where

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Speaker 2: we're having this venue is also the home of the

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Speaker 2: Guardian office?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, I didn't. Do you read the Guardian often? No?

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Speaker 1: You read? Is actually a better question.

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Speaker 2: Does the Warlock work there? I know he works for

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Speaker 2: like every British outlet. Who the Warlock Garrett?

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Speaker 1: I think he works at like the Independent? Or you

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Speaker 1: don't think he Guardian is largely like a left wing.

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Speaker 2: Would you be shocked if we went to the live

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Speaker 2: show and Gareth was just a donk in the crowd?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Would I be surprised? Only if he's clothed, alright, Only.

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to get him for a room service

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Speaker 2: diaries for a while. I'd love to hear some stories.

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Speaker 2: But you're like, I don't know if that. You know,

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Speaker 2: we may get canceled. We may you know, You're like,

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Speaker 2: we may get cancer.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I just gonna want to reserve the

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Speaker 1: couch for you know, we give it to Chuck or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But like, I don't want to get in the habit

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Speaker 1: of interviewing media guys like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go. You can get your

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Speaker 2: pod live tickets right now by hitting that QR code

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Speaker 2: down there. There's a few left, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: ninety minutes of glory outlaw Dan Hardy b c LT.

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Speaker 2: We got Jake von Amsterdam. You can see Tristan's sleeve.

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Speaker 2: I mean, would it be inappropriate if I so Tristan

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Speaker 2: he has to wear a tank top as security so

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Speaker 2: that people can see the uh rabbit A thank you?

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Speaker 1: I thank you telling another man he has to wear

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Speaker 1: a tank top to work is gonna cause some problems.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, big fan of that guy, just

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Speaker 2: the same, big fan of all of you. Enjoy the

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Speaker 2: fights this weekend. It should be a wild time, and

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Speaker 2: it's only gonna get better next week with two eighty

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Speaker 2: four with MK in the UK. Uh, big pay per

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Speaker 2: views and boxing coming up in the aftermath. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what a great time. And look, it's been a mild

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Speaker 2: winter until tomorrow when it's gonna be a negative twenty

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Speaker 2: five at Connecticut. But it's been a very mild winter,

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Speaker 2: so I don't want to jinx it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Apparently you don't suffer from seasonal depression. It's more like

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Speaker 2: a lifetime depression.

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Speaker 1: But we can close this show. We should. We could

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Speaker 1: have closed it easily a minute or two ago.

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Speaker 2: We're just all right, let's close that door for for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Uh we've uh yeah, you're right, I should

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Speaker 2: end it. We're out, We're out.