WEBVTT - What's the deal with dowsing? 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.000 Attention, DC, Boston, Toronto and any place that can fly 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.080 to those cities. We're gonna be live on stage doing 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.000 our thing again. I'm May fourth, fifth, and sixth this year. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.600 That's right. And I gotta say, we've done this topic 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.200 a few times already and it's a real banger and 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:18.959 we can't wait to come to your city and have 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.279 you see it with us. We're so excited and we 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.200 just can't hide it. So go to link tree slash 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:30.400 sysk and get your tickets today. Welcome to Stuff you 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:39.839 Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.120 the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.800 in low data mode and this is stuff you should know. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.720 What does that mean? I just got a message flashed 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.320 on my screen that Jerry's in low data mode. Oh really, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:57.120 it means she's low key. Olivia helped us with this one. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.200 And you know what Olivia has gotten great at lately 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.880 is titling these episodes in fun ways. Yeah, for sure, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.720 you want to. You want to say this one too, Yeah, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.319 And it's generally just for us, which I appreciate. But 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.200 this is about dousing aka water witching, the practice of 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:17.039 using sticks or metal rods or something to walk around 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.600 and have and tell you whether or not there is 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:27.200 water underground or iron ore or body being buried or whatever. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.760 So we'll get into all that. But Olivia titled it 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.479 the surprisingly long lasting art of dousing, and I think 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.399 it's appropriate she called it an art because it's definitely 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.120 not a science, although people have tried to apply science 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.319 to it in interesting ways. Yeah, and a lot of 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.720 people say it's pure bunk. I just think it's very 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.440 interesting and I've never known much about it. And that's 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.520 how I'm kind of choosing topics these days, is what 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:00.720 do I want to learn about? You know? Sure me first, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.480 that's right, and through me we can be the conduit 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:09.680 to others too, amazing new ideas like dowsing. And actually 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.880 we shouldn't say this is a new idea for us, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.240 because this um we actually did a chapter in our book, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.080 remember I dowsing, that's right, And in that chapter I 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.320 went back and reread it and I was very satisfied 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.520 that we basically took the stance that we're taking today, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.600 that you just took that basically. You know, some people 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.760 call it bunk. I don't know enough about it to 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.840 say either way, and just to keep our minds open. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.400 And even though it is bunk in a lot of ways, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.160 we're not like gonna poop poo or tear it down 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:45.880 like we did crop circles, you know. Yeah, I agree. Um, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.160 it's something that people have been doing for over five 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.840 hundred years and and like we said, it's got a 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.959 bunch of different names, but dowsing, basically as we think 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:00.480 of it today is something that started in sixteen century 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.480 what would now be Germany and the mining industry there, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.920 which was a new thing that was really growing fast, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.440 and they were looking for or underground veins of ore. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.560 And it looks like as early as fifteen thirty there 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:20.000 was somebody, a mining expert name Yorg Ericola who talked 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.080 about dowsing and divining rods in a way that he 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.960 wasn't like, hey, this is what this is like, as 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.720 if people understood what it was right in his book 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.079 De ray Metallica, is that really what it was called? Yeah, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.960 that's a great name. So yeah, the Germans are pretty 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.720 much unambiguously the people who created dowsing at least in 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.040 the roughly modern era, and it got imported to England 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.360 pretty quickly and France also, So in England they were 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.960 using it for mining, just like they were in Germany 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.720 to discover or but France also adopted it and they said, hey, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.400 we're going to use this for water instead. I didn't 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.560 see where they got that idea from or why, but 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.760 they I don't know. There's like supposed references in the 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.600 Bible which may or may not reflect housing. Who knows. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.120 It's possible that they thought that's what it was used 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.520 for in France. I'm not sure. But by the sixteenth 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.000 and early seventeenth century you had people a lot of 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.240 people in Western Europe walking around with forked sticks looking 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.960 for ore and water and basically being like this, this 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.960 really works. This is how we're going to find water. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.000 And back then it made a lot of sense because 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.479 there wasn't any other way to find water, so why 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.320 not walk around with a forked stick? Yeah, and the 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.479 idea we'll get into sort of how people do it 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.040 later on, but is that you hold a forked stick. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.360 Back then, at least that was sort of what they 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.120 were using exclusively, and it would dip down when there 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.320 was something underneath you of note, there was a man 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 named Robert Boyle, known as a father of chemistry in 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.679 the seventeenth century, who described it as a forked hazel twig. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.840 I believe there were other woods used hazel as one. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.320 It's kind of mentioned a lot. Yeah, what was one 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.360 of the other ones I've seen peach rowan, which I 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.120 am not familiar with the rowan tree, but apparently there's 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.160 plenty of them here and they bear fruit, but it's 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.000 a it's like a fruit wood that's supposedly really good 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.520 for it. Um, which hazel is another one. And then 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.040 willow um, which makes a lot of sense because willow 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.719 trees tend to grow where there's water near the surface, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.599 so it would kind of make sense that you would 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.159 use the willow branch. And then you'd turn around and 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.320 point to the willow tree and say down there, that's right. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.760 And then if it's the nineteen fifties through seventies, you 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:41.440 could switch your child with it. It's right. My grandmother, oh, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:47.520 my dear sweet, my dad's mom opal, she would make 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.320 us go pick out our switch, no, which is I 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.200 think was a tradition. This ouf like, go pick out 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.599 the switch that I'm gonna use, And that was the 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.080 punishment that was the fear, and you would you go 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.000 out there and you pick the flimsy twig that you 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.360 could find and come back. And then she she never 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.240 touched us. She didn't. Oh that's good, she didn't do that. Similarly, 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.839 when you were really bad, Grandma Opal would make you 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.400 dig your own grave in the backyard, really get to you. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.799 But she never. Oh man, I miss her. She was great, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.360 lived to one hundred and one. I know, that's amazing, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.000 not bad. So we mentioned other things that you could 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.920 find underground, like dead bodies. This happened for a while 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:36.640 in the late seventeenth centuries. They started getting into things like, hey, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.560 we could find treasure using these y rods. We could 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.080 find we could find the bodies that we were talking about. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.160 We could find a property boundary that no one can 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.880 agree on. Yeah, that one's really out there. Well, and 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.040 that's very like, I mean, you better agree on who's 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.440 doing doing that job between two neighborhoods who are at 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.680 dispute with one another. You know, yeah, for sure, it's 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.120 called the best dowser in your area. Let's use my guy. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.880 He'll show you show us where the property line is exactly. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.400 But there was a French peasant named Jacques Amar, who 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.720 in the latest seventeenth century, as the story goes, was 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.720 water dowsing, and the rod pointed down very sharply, and 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.480 he said, hey, let's get some guys out here, dig 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.880 down and get this water. And before you knew it, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.880 they struck body and it was a murdered woman. And 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.400 he not only found the body, but then went to 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.000 the widower and the family basically and said, I'm going 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.600 to point this thing at you guys, and the thing 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.160 dipped at her former husband. He fled the scene and 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.480 was found out to be the murderer. And so now 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.680 all of a sudden, dowsing rods are, for a while 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.960 at least, and for this guy, for sure, a way 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.600 to root out murderers and dead bodies. So much so 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.480 that in leone Um there was a group of like 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.360 I think, a husband and wife who owned a wine 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.720 shop there who were murdered four years later after he 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.920 discovered that first body, and they actually contacted jack Amar 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.800 and said, can you come help us find who did this? 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.440 And so he set about with his dowsing stick looking. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.360 I think he actually got into a boat at one 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.680 point and sailed around looking for a murderer, rooted one out, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.360 he found one in another town, and that guy actually 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.160 confessed and then fingered two other accomplices who had fled 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.480 France by that time. So you're like, well, that guy 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.000 was very special. As far as dowsing goes, there's a 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.200 lot of ways to interpret it to if you're going 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.440 to be a skeptic, where you could say, like, this 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.360 is the sixteenth century or seventeenth century in France, and 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.040 if people thought that you were a murderer, it didn't 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 matter whether you were a murder or not. You were 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.680 in big trouble, and so you might flee France if 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.400 you got worried that people were coming to look for you. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.800 Who knows, Or you could also believe that Jacques amar 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.880 had some special talent or gift that allowed him to 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:09.560 douse murder suspects, among other things. And that's that's actually 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:14.160 a point that kind of underpins the entire dowsing tradition. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:20.559 Most dowsers believe that it's innate in them, maybe innate 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.400 in everybody, and they're just a little more their sense 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.560 is a little more refined, but that it's not like 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.920 you're picking up some magic stick. It's the stick is 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.440 somehow an instrument that you're you're special innate ability is 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.320 using to kind of guide you. Yeah, and you also 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.439 forgot the last possibility there, which is through a rock 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.440 in the seventeenth century France, and you're probably gonna hit 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.120 two people who murdered wine shoff owners. Right, Yeah, that's 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:51.480 a good point too. Eighteenth century dousing was not so 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.800 much a thing for mining anymore in Europe because science 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.640 had improved such that they were like, now we've got better, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.360 better ways to discover or this or under our feet. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.000 And into the twentieth century, we'll get to kind of 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.480 where it stands today later. But of course the Nazis 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.679 got involved because they were into all sorts of weird 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:16.000 esoteric methods of doing anything, and the stupid Nazis and 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.000 Himmler of course said hey, let's look for explosives, let's 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.720 look for water, let's look for gold, or just get 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.000 some Nazis out there with dowsing rods and tell me 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:29.360 what happens. Yeah, apparently they trained whole units, because again 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.360 the Nazis were very stupid. And then in the twentieth century, chuck, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.760 if you were educated by or employed at Harvard in 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.719 the nineteen fifties, there was a good chance you were 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.560 going to study dowsing. Well, a lot of Harvard people did, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:50.120 weirdly sure, but I mean, how many really were there 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.560 out there at the time. This is probably a significant people, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.640 probably like a dozen. So yeah, a full third of 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.520 Harvard educated people were studying dowsing in the fifties. One 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.720 guy Raid Hyman and another Elizabeth G. Cohen, they worked together. 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.440 They were sociologists from Harvard, and they studied dowsing by 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.559 by surveying agricultural extension agents, the people who were the 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:21.640 conduit between education and you know, the rural areas, right, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.480 So these people had a foot in each camp, so 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.319 they were they were a really good group to study 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.720 dowsing or dowsing beliefs. They found that every single state 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.679 head dowsers, mostly in the rural areas, and that in 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.719 those rural areas where the dowsers were most densely concentrated. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.240 There was about an average in the United States in 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.520 the nineteen fifties about thirty five dowsers per one hundred 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.240 thousand people. That's a huge number of dowsers in the 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:53.559 twentieth century. Middle twentieth century, still working in these rural areas. Yeah, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.160 I would agree, that's a lot. Uh. Yeah. They also 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.440 did a bunch of, like you said, interviews with these 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.360 agricultural agents, and it was basically like a little more 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.240 than half thought it was bunk. About twenty percent said 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.840 they believed in it, about twenty four percent said they 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.400 were open minded to it, kind of on the fence. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.560 And one thing that they discovered that Hymen and Elizabeth 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:23.160 Cummen discovered was basically people it's not that they so 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.520 much believed in dowsing as being like this foolproof thing, 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.800 but more like, hey, we can't get a lot of 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.319 guidance on where to find water, and like it doesn't 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.080 cost a lot to hire a dowser, so it's better 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.600 than nothing. If I can pay someone in the nineteen 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.360 fifties like five bucks to walk around my field for 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.080 a good place to drill, it's better than zero, right. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.560 And it's not like they just tapped like todd to 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.160 go out there and like use a stick to be 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.560 like drill here. These dowsers that they were employing had 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.880 some sort of success in their track record, so yeah, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.320 there it made it a little easier to be like 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.280 I'll just give this a try, because what else, what opportunity? 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.640 What other alternatives do I have? Yeah, there was another 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:13.679 Harvard or named Ivan zee Vacht who did some studying 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.679 of this, and like he said, he found that there 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.880 were certain people who just seemingly were more gifted than 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.680 others at it. It was a part time thing. Usually 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.000 people did make some pretty good money doing it, and 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.160 it was almost always something that men did and not women. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.080 And like you mentioned, they they generally believed it wasn't 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.680 like a snake oil thing where they were like, let 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.440 me see how many people I can rip off with 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.600 this stick. Um, they believed in what they were doing. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.680 It seems like about across the board. Yeah, he said, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.800 universally basically. Um. He so he studied specifically Homestead, New Mexico, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.520 U and he found that Um that he well, he 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.000 basically lumped it in with folk magic, which I think 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.839 is that's fair. Um. And he said that that DAL 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.760 is the most commonly used type of folk magic and 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.280 agriculture in these rural areas. Like another type would be 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.680 using the zodiac to predict when to do certain farming 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.520 like harvesting or planting or something like that. But you're 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.080 more much more likely to find find people who were 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.320 willing to believe in dowsing than than that. Yeah, and 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.680 that even educated people believed in it in the area. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.640 And one reason you can kind of give for that 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.760 is that these areas were hard up for water, so 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.720 it kind of I would guess that like the lack 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.360 of availability of water or at least easy access to 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.240 it would kind of help suspend your disbelief more than 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.560 somebody who you know has a municipal water supply running 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.920 into their house, you know. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Speaking 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.960 of VAT, he continued his work into the late sixties 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.320 along with his colleague Linda K. Barrett, and they started 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.160 researching Urban Dowsers, which is a pretty good band name. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:12.520 Yeah it is. What are they? What kind of music? 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.600 I know this is your specialty. I'm going to just 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.520 go fall back on the standby of math rock. I 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.760 would say Pavement, like maybe a Pavement tribute band. Even 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.120 that's kind of what it sounds like to me. But yeah, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.400 I'm gonna just go with math rock, Okay. They study 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.680 the American Society of Dowsers the ASD. They were founded 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.720 in Vermont in the early nineteen sixties. I think they're 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.080 about a thousand strong. And these are people that lived, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.200 you know, these are urban dowsers. They live where they 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.800 have city water systems and plenty of water, and they 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.680 used dowsing for other things, sometimes to detect if you 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.240 had a medical problem, sometimes to look for something that 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:03.160 someone lost. They basically argued like, hey, you should be 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.840 using us all over the world where people don't have water, 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.840 Like why is everyone against dousing when you should be 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:14.120 enlisting us? Right, And the ASD still survives today. They 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.840 have multiple chapters all over the world. As a matter 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.120 of fact, even though it's the American Society of Dowsers, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.720 they do have other chapters in other countries and they 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.520 still dowse. They still meet, they share tips and tricks 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.960 with one another. I believe they have newsletters. So they're 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.440 still around for sure. So should should we take a 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.600 break and then talk about how to do it? Definitely? Okay, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.800 we're gonna take a break, We're gonna get our coat 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.680 hangers out, and we're gonna get going right after this. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.280 I've still stumped. There's a about ten percent of my 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.400 brain is still working out what music urban dowsers play. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.200 I'll come up with it. I can't that's a that's 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.479 a tough one. So I mean, if it were like, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.920 if they were clever and they wanted to kind of 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.000 engage in a bit of word play, then I would 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:17.000 say they're like neo country pop, you know what I mean, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.840 like Billboard chart pop Urban Dowsers, like they can their 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.400 music can be enjoyed in the city or the country. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.080 You mean, like the guys that sing about tailgating and 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:31.480 stuff like that. Precisely, I mean, what you got, Luke 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.600 Bran or Urban Dowsers? Which one you're gonna do? I 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.440 predict Luke Bryan's gonna change his name to Urban Dowsers 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.520 in the next five years. Hey, I'm not gonna not 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 Luke Bryan. I don't know it's music, but he seems 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.520 like a good guy from what I understand he is. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.920 All right, So, how did dows you take the Well, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.000 there's a couple of ways. You can have that y 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.800 shaped rod and you hold it by the why and 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.879 have the the single stem pointing out with your palms upward, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.680 the why pointed upward. In fact, that about a forty 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.920 five degree angle. Then you walk around and you wait 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.479 for that thing to I guess to move in your hands. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.960 You will you wait for it to make a barrier 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.720 on your own son, and it difts down. Like we said, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.720 we mentioned the different kind of sticks that were used. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.600 The kind of dowsing I see a lot on YouTube 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.399 because I did a lot of watching of this stuff 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.240 is the coat hanger. One where they take and it's 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.520 not always coat hangers, but just two metal L shaped 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.960 rods and you hold it by the small side of 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.920 the L in each hand and walk around and then 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.359 these rods, you know, come together and cross one another 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:45.200 at a place where you're standing. Right. Apparently, the American 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.880 Society of Dowsers says, far and away the most frequent 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.320 tool these days to use for dowsing is the pendulum. Yeah, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.680 which can be anything from a crystal on a piece 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.600 of hemp string to a paper clip on some leftover 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.600 thread or down flossy even who knows it doesn't matter 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.800 because again, remember this this is a tool that the 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.280 human is a conduit for. It's not like the tool 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.680 itself is super important. Yeah, it's just it just kind 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.520 of points out what the human can sense innately. And 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.120 with the pendulum, they basically say, if it's swinging forward 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.359 to backward, that's yes meaning okay, there's some water here, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.840 or it swings from side to side for no. And 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.400 because you can get a yes or a no out 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.480 of this pendulum, you can use it for plenty of 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.600 other stuff. In fact, there's something called information dowsing, which 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.399 is essentially like fortune telling. You ask the dows the 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.000 dowsing rod or dowsing pendulum certain questions in the way 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.240 it responds will give you the answer you're looking for. Yeah, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.320 it's interesting to think. It just kind of hit me 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.919 today that they said that this is usually man, and 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.399 this is sort of the one area there where that's true. Like, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.200 have you ever heard of a of a man that's 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.160 a fortune teller or palm reader? It seems like that's 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.160 usually women, right, Yeah, there are plenty of women dowsers 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.640 these days. I think it was just in that fifties 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.960 survey though. Yeah, yeah, because I've seen interviews with multiple 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.600 women who are dowsers. All right, all right, so that 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.000 that clears that up. We talked about walking across the 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.880 field and stuff. That's sort of what everyone usually thinks 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.399 of when they think of dowsing or water witching is 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.960 something they call it here in the States, but there's 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:33.399 also map dowsing, which that pendulum comes in handy, or 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.520 you might just use like a pencil or something where 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.840 you go to like a map and do the same 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.119 thing to narrow down what field you should walk in 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.280 to find whatever you're looking for. The pencil one. I 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:51.080 think there's a writer named Robert Ader who wrote a 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.560 pamphlet that's on the American Society of Dowser website where 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.760 he talks about using that pencil to find whatever, and 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.200 you'll hold that pencil over a map, try and tune 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.560 in whatever that means to what you're trying to find 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.480 and feel for the location. And he's like, listen, I've 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.679 looked for water on the moon with my Moon maps. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.639 I've looked for the grave side of Bigfoot, and I 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.280 didn't big dig a Bigfoot up, but I found a 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.159 spot on the map where there are definitely some large 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:26.159 humps of earth right full stop, so exactly so um. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:31.480 Also in that pamphlet, Robert he basically says like how 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.280 you ask the question and how you word it is 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.879 really important. And he gave an anecdote about when he 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.960 was looking for water on the moon with the map 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.080 of the Moon. He asked the he asked the pencil, like, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.040 show me where water on the moon is, and he 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.800 said the pencil started to float over in his hand over, 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.520 don't be ridiculous here over his shoulder and point toward 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.959 the moon behind him out the window, and he realized, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.640 oh no, I had to ask it where on the map? 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.800 Show me on the map where there's water on the moon. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.640 And then the pencil pointed it out. So I feel 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.320 like here we kind of reached like the point between 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.560 finding water on the moon and finding bigfoot graves where 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.960 most people are going to take their leave of dowsing 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.560 and be like this, this doesn't work. But if you 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.720 step back and kind of strip away all the add 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.520 ons and stuff that's been you know, put onto it 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.119 over the years, and just go back to searching for 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:28.440 oars or water using this stuff, um, you can kind 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.720 of not regain credibility. That's not the word I'm looking for. 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.880 The phrase. It's more it comes it's yes, sure, it's 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.040 at least less loony. How about that? Yeah? Did that 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.000 guy also in the pamphlet say I found the Tykondo 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:47.960 Rogan number two to be quite cheeky. Man, that's an 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.720 arcane pencil reference right there. Shout out to David Reese. Yeah, 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.520 he got that all, but he's slapping his knee right now. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.960 So how does this um supposedly work? You know, it's 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.960 not like they're just like, hey, this is magic or whatever. 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.879 There have been people that have tried to explain like 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.600 how this might work, and some of the explanations, you know, 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.920 early on were obviously some kind of magnetism or magnetic 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.639 field or something that people can pick up on on 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:21.040 planet Earth. There was a a German alchemist name Johann 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:28.560 Tolde who wrote under the pen name Basilius Valentius, great name, 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.959 and put out this theory that the metals in the 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.399 earth basically breathe a breath that rises out from the 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.639 earth that attracts the rod, and that you know, the 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.640