Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hello? Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: We are here with a really fun guest.
Speaker 2: This week, ho to Copy, and she is going to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Her brand and podcast called Joy one oh one it's awesome.
Speaker 1: And also she's going to rewatch episode five oh two
Speaker 1: on Original Sin, which is season five, episode two, written
Speaker 1: by Cindy Schupack, directed by Charles McDougal. It's a good one.
Speaker 2: My entire team is like freaking out that I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here good. Oh sweet.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing that's funny to me is like coming
Speaker 1: from where we came, like you doing a talk show,
Speaker 1: which is a whole different animal, and me doing regular
Speaker 1: film and now we're in podcast world, which is super.
Speaker 2: LOOSEI Udy, are you digging it, by the way, I
Speaker 2: totally dig it in some ways.
Speaker 1: In some ways I'm confused, Like some people just do
Speaker 1: it in their sweat, right, And I'm trying to get there.
Speaker 2: But we can't. We can't. We need something.
Speaker 1: We need a little something right, Like I still put
Speaker 1: a little makeup on.
Speaker 2: I feel right.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have our comfy shoes on, busy.
Speaker 2: I know I'm with you. I do like the vibe
Speaker 2: of it. I love the vibe. I feel like lax.
Speaker 2: And by the way, one of the things that I
Speaker 2: feel like I was missing after leaving the Today Show
Speaker 2: was having beautiful conversations because you know, they were so
Speaker 2: baked into either life or just the makeup room or
Speaker 2: somehow you're having these good convos. But now we get
Speaker 2: to sit be curious about each other. We're allowed as
Speaker 2: long as.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely that part's amazing. I love I mean, for mine,
Speaker 1: I have the rewatch part, which you know, it's like fun,
Speaker 1: but also sometimes I'm like, oh, I just want to talk.
Speaker 1: But it is also fun because it brings up so
Speaker 1: many like the show has so many interesting topics, right,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a jumping off point. But the
Speaker 1: thing that's nice for me because I'm a single mom,
Speaker 1: I like you, of two children, I don't have this
Speaker 1: time to see my friends and talked to people. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it gives you that in your life, this is interesting.
Speaker 2: I just Marias River posted something and it said life
Speaker 2: in the nineteen twenties and it went through ticking each
Speaker 2: year and it had categories friends and family, housework, hobbies,
Speaker 2: blah blah. And then it showed TV kicked in whatever
Speaker 2: in the fifties. Who knows when that happened, So then
Speaker 2: it was like TV. Then you see the shifts of
Speaker 2: the categories. But what happened over time was friendships that
Speaker 2: were huge dropped so far down because when we see
Speaker 2: someone on Instagram, we're like, oh, we saw they had
Speaker 2: a great vacation. I'll catch up with them, And then
Speaker 2: when you see them, it's almost like second reference. How
Speaker 2: was that? And you're like, I already saw the pictures,
Speaker 2: but how was it? It was fun, true, but anyway,
Speaker 2: it reminded me that friendships connection that gets buried because
Speaker 2: everything else, even like streaming Netflix, everything was so high,
Speaker 2: Instagram TikTok so high, but sitting face to face was
Speaker 2: near the bottom.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so so nice that we found a
Speaker 1: job that we can sit and chat and actually have
Speaker 1: a good conversation where you're not trying to get necessarily
Speaker 1: sound bites or whatever you would normally be doing in
Speaker 1: your job. Right, I know it isn't nice.
Speaker 2: I also feel like it.
Speaker 1: Is the wild wild West, Like you're here in New
Speaker 1: York on our same floor. You guys are our studios
Speaker 1: are now next to each other. Studio is also kind
Speaker 1: of a loose term. But when I first came to
Speaker 1: this floor in New York for the iHeart Building, the
Speaker 1: whole floor looked as though like a natural disaster it happened,
Speaker 1: and everyone just got it from their desks and ran out.
Speaker 1: Did you see now they've cleaned the desks for you, Hoda,
Speaker 1: I may.
Speaker 2: Need to know that. I think I might have missed
Speaker 2: that window.
Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, snacks, I know they have. That's
Speaker 1: for you. It's snacks for you.
Speaker 2: It's now very nice.
Speaker 1: There's now two dressing rooms and two studios.
Speaker 2: And then some one.
Speaker 1: Time I was here and there were three people and
Speaker 1: I was like wow, because when I came, I was
Speaker 1: the first one up here, or at least that I know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably when I wasn't here. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm usually in a late as you know. But it
Speaker 1: was like everyone's like, get out of the building and
Speaker 1: they just left all their stuff like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: But here we are on the forethront of this crazy
Speaker 1: podcast world. It's really interesting, but welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm happy with you.
Speaker 1: I was so glad you because I.
Speaker 2: Feel like the longest conversations you and I have ever
Speaker 2: had are four minutes, I know, which is today show
Speaker 2: is in and out. We pack a lot in.
Speaker 1: It's true, but also there was like the commercial, you
Speaker 1: always feel like you and then there's seeing you in
Speaker 1: the durssing room seeing you know, so you feel, and
Speaker 1: then also over time which is nice, and then I
Speaker 1: would see you in New York sometimes, which is nice, right,
Speaker 1: But I agree, it's nice to have a format where
Speaker 1: you can actually go in depth, yes, and where that's
Speaker 1: actually applauded, you know, And also you can just go
Speaker 1: wherever you feel like going, I mean, especially on yours,
Speaker 1: because you don't have.
Speaker 2: I love by the way, I love it so much.
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone's like, no one has an attention span,
Speaker 2: you know, eight seconds on TikTok. I'm like, yeah, And
Speaker 2: people like to sit and listen to a good conversation.
Speaker 2: As long as it's good, they'll sit and listen. I
Speaker 2: will too. I'm the same. I feel like I don't
Speaker 2: have time, but when I'll stop in my tracks when
Speaker 2: I hear a great convo. That's true.
Speaker 1: But also the great thing about podcasts you don't have
Speaker 1: to stop like I do. The laundry and listen to
Speaker 1: my podcast. I drive and listen to my podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: not into the watching yet. I understand there are people
Speaker 1: who are into watching those people.
Speaker 2: I'm with you audio.
Speaker 1: With the new video or videos, the new audio or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I listen.
Speaker 1: But you can listen and function. But yet your brain
Speaker 1: is engaged in a way, or you're not so bored.
Speaker 2: Your chores, you know. I love that too.
Speaker 1: And also driving if you get stuck, because I'm in
Speaker 1: La right, you might get stuck having to go somewhere far.
Speaker 2: I know, and why not. I mean, look, I feel
Speaker 2: like you get to live one life and I get
Speaker 2: to live one life, and the only time we get
Speaker 2: to see beyond that is when we are listening to
Speaker 2: someone else's life experiences and to be able to go, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'll ever live that. But I
Speaker 2: just learned a lesson that Kristen learned, or I just
Speaker 2: figured out something, or I like how this person described
Speaker 2: how they started their day and I kind of dig that,
Speaker 2: like I'm going to try that tomorrow, or just things
Speaker 2: that you can take I feel like. And then I'm
Speaker 2: someone who's always blabbing, I'm like, oh my god, guess
Speaker 2: what I heard, like as if I had invented whatever.
Speaker 1: The jewel was. That's great though, So wait, just tell
Speaker 1: our listeners because we're obviously we're over here in my world.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to go to your world. Lift, tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit about Joy one on one.
Speaker 2: So Joy one on one is a company that I
Speaker 2: founded a year and change ago, Okay, right after I
Speaker 2: left the Today Show, which was kind of a big, huge,
Speaker 2: huge step for me. Yeah, and also a step that
Speaker 2: was exactly right for me. And the way I know
Speaker 2: when I've made a right decision in my life is
Speaker 2: if I can sleep. If I can sleep, then I
Speaker 2: know I've made the right decision, matter how difficult the
Speaker 2: decision is. And I'm a person that once I make
Speaker 2: the decision, it's done. I've in any job I've ever
Speaker 2: been in, I've never gone, oh, let me see what's
Speaker 2: happening back there so I can figure out if I
Speaker 2: should have stayed on that train or on this train. No,
Speaker 2: because I think you almost have to decide I agree
Speaker 2: and go straight before you have to make it work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you choose, And I feel like life is a series
Speaker 2: of choices. So I also knew when I was leaving
Speaker 2: the Today Show that there was something else that I
Speaker 2: wanted to do. And I think, once you know something
Speaker 2: that's been bubbling up, and for me, wellness was Wellness
Speaker 2: is such a buzzword and everyone's in it or talking
Speaker 2: about It's almost like you yawn, You're like and a
Speaker 2: wellness company. And I was like, oh, good, good for you.
Speaker 2: But this, to me is more than that because the
Speaker 2: thing I loved about the Today Show the most was
Speaker 2: the joy piece, Like I felt like it was a
Speaker 2: place where you could find it, find joy, bring joy,
Speaker 2: and joy comes in. There's joy in sports, there's joy
Speaker 2: in music, there's joy and meditation, there's joy in all
Speaker 2: these different parts of you. So I said to myself,
Speaker 2: I have one, you know, I get one ride around
Speaker 2: the sun. That's it. So what do I want to do?
Speaker 2: I want to fill people's cup. Like I don't look,
Speaker 2: I don't care about how much something makes. I couldn't
Speaker 2: give a rip. What I really want to do is
Speaker 2: leave this Whenever I leave this earth, I want it
Speaker 2: to be like, Wow, they gave back, they helped out,
Speaker 2: they did something, they made someone feel better, because otherwise,
Speaker 2: what's the point. Honest to God, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: And so I so I said, let's start a company
Speaker 2: called Joy one oh one that has all these facets
Speaker 2: to it. It's a place where people can go on
Speaker 2: beautiful retreats and feel totally try transformed. Not like where
Speaker 2: you get a goodie bag and feel like you had
Speaker 2: a massage and heard someone great speak that was amazing,
Speaker 2: Not that okay, the kind that is immersive that when
Speaker 2: you leave you say to yourself, oh my gosh. That
Speaker 2: was one of these transformational experiences. And we put on
Speaker 2: one of these retreats, and we have another one that's
Speaker 2: coming up, two more of their scheduled. And I tell you,
Speaker 2: I've been to a ton of retreats. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you I love them. This one, by far was
Speaker 2: like transformational. And we had two hundred and fifty women
Speaker 2: two hundred of them wound up on a Facebook group
Speaker 2: together Wow without our help.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: But it just showed the power of it. And we
Speaker 2: did things. We did breath work, We had incredible We
Speaker 2: had all kinds of transformational things that were next level.
Speaker 2: We did one breath work class where everybody sat in
Speaker 2: chairs opposite a stranger. Oh my, and you start the
Speaker 2: breath work with this guy named Anthony, and you breathe
Speaker 2: in and out, and you thought, oh, well, what's this
Speaker 2: going to be about? So what you know, breathe in
Speaker 2: and out. I've been breathing for sixty one years. But
Speaker 2: as you're doing it, you realize that something starts bubbling
Speaker 2: up and he's speaking about you know, the topic here
Speaker 2: is forgiveness. So you breathe. You're looking at a stranger's eyes,
Speaker 2: and you go through this process and then he says, okay,
Speaker 2: now stand up. Now you move down a chair, and
Speaker 2: now you look at someone new when you were finished
Speaker 2: with this exercise that looks just like, huh, I wonder
Speaker 2: what this is. I cannot tell you what happened. One
Speaker 2: woman said, I haven't cried in five years. I feel
Speaker 2: like a bottleneck. I couldn't. One person said that my
Speaker 2: husband was going through a difficult period and I didn't
Speaker 2: even think I wanted to come, but I feel replenished, renewed. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So these these retreats, and we have great speakers and
Speaker 2: we do all the rest too, and music and all
Speaker 2: the things nice. But so anyway, it was a way.
Speaker 2: This company was a way for me to do all
Speaker 2: the things I want to do.
Speaker 1: Amazing people out, Yeah, amazing. So you have retreats and
Speaker 1: then you have you drive people around in a.
Speaker 2: Car, people around in a car. We all joy right, okay,
Speaker 2: joy rides.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a conversation but maybe not
Speaker 1: as long as your podcast. And then you also have
Speaker 1: a podcast.
Speaker 2: And I have a podcast too, and then we do
Speaker 2: We're doing all kinds of really cool and interesting things
Speaker 2: that I think are going to be helpful to people.
Speaker 2: And I feel like again, like you know, I got
Speaker 2: to a certain age and I was like, why don't
Speaker 2: I feel the way I want to feel? Like I
Speaker 2: haven't changed anything? I meaning broccoli, I'm like spinning at
Speaker 2: soul cycle. I still don't have the sparkle and what
Speaker 2: is that? And is it findable? And the answer to
Speaker 2: me is yes it is. There are so many different
Speaker 2: avenues to try and there's so many solutions that are
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Do you think, because it's interesting when you were telling
Speaker 1: me the different adjectives that you would perceive that you're
Speaker 1: doing that a lot of them are kind of service related.
Speaker 1: Do you feel you know, is that thing Over talks
Speaker 1: about about like different people have different kind of you know,
Speaker 1: things that are going to you know, satisfy them or
Speaker 1: please them or you know, give them deep deep of
Speaker 1: deep feeling of satisfactor faction. Do you feel service? Is
Speaker 1: that for you?
Speaker 2: Yes? Is Yes. I do feel like that's a big
Speaker 2: part of me. Yeah. I think it's like you know,
Speaker 2: when you when somehow you feel better and then you
Speaker 2: see your best friend or your sister or somebody doesn't right,
Speaker 2: and you're like, we could, let's let's help here, right,
Speaker 2: there are things we can do help, Yes, And I
Speaker 2: just feel like we're you know, it's the whole mister
Speaker 2: Rogers like, look for the helpers. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: what I want us to be, right, and I want
Speaker 2: to be and I want my kids to be I
Speaker 2: want kids to be those kind of people. So I
Speaker 2: do think services is the way that ID lean. And
Speaker 2: I also think we all deserve to feel good. Not
Speaker 2: everything is about oh so you're sixty whatever and of
Speaker 2: course you're feeling terrible. Well actually, no, let's subject that
Speaker 2: we don't think so no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of like that thing that society is
Speaker 1: going to kind of push on you to some extent.
Speaker 1: And I also think that the wonders of social media
Speaker 1: are that you can connect with people. But then sometimes
Speaker 1: the negative voices seem to gain power or the algorithm
Speaker 1: reward or something. So sometimes that can also be negative
Speaker 1: stuff coming at you about age, about whatever, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, rather than the helpful part, which I
Speaker 1: think you have to look for.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think it's funny. It's like that whole
Speaker 2: like whatever you put in becomes you. And it's so true.
Speaker 2: And I've you know, we've all gone through seasons where
Speaker 2: sometimes you're just in a funk, right and.
Speaker 1: You're burnt, are burnt out entire life, like we're going
Speaker 1: going doing doing, we're not really thinking about filling the cup.
Speaker 1: As you said, you know, everyone needs their cup to
Speaker 1: be filled.
Speaker 2: And I think it is like whatever you're you know
Speaker 2: how what kind of moods you're in, look at your algorithm.
Speaker 2: Whatever you're getting overdosed on, that's on you, because that
Speaker 2: means that's where you're stopping, that's where you're lingering, that's
Speaker 2: what you're interested in, right, and you really we all
Speaker 2: have to change our algorithm because I mean, look, you
Speaker 2: can have an algorithm full of you know, people giving
Speaker 2: money away to somebody and a beautiful affirmation and oh
Speaker 2: my god, FIFA they scored and the guy's giving his
Speaker 2: shirt to a competitive team. But they're all hugging, like
Speaker 2: you can have that algorithm definitely and see the world
Speaker 2: in that beautiful way. I was just my mom is
Speaker 2: in an assisted living place, and I was I went
Speaker 2: to speak bragging at their place. And as I was speaking,
Speaker 2: we were talking about how we all view the world.
Speaker 2: And a woman walked up to me and she handed
Speaker 2: me She said, will you sign my book? You know
Speaker 2: I had a book some books you will you sign
Speaker 2: this from me? I said, oh sure, Joes I had mine.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I want, I want to see. So
Speaker 2: it was a poetry book and this woman named Peggy
Speaker 2: is a poet. And on the back of the book
Speaker 2: where it was a published book, where all of these
Speaker 2: beautiful poets who had talked about her incredible writing. And
Speaker 2: I thought, sitting here, you know, in this nice place,
Speaker 2: but this woman who has all of this beautiful knowledge
Speaker 2: and all of this stuff, and the way she sees
Speaker 2: the world is with beauty, someone else might look out
Speaker 2: at the same out of the same window and say, oh,
Speaker 2: what a terribly cloudy day. And she would write a
Speaker 2: poem about it. That would be something captivating interesting just
Speaker 2: thinking about, like you know, any like, look, you and
Speaker 2: I could both be sitting in these chairs and we're
Speaker 2: living in two different worlds and here we are absolutely yether,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean this is true all the time.
Speaker 1: I think, right, like people are in their own existence,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot that goes into that, and you
Speaker 1: never really know what's going on with people. And I
Speaker 1: do think also like you could only really control your
Speaker 1: own world and what you're putting back out into the world, right,
Speaker 1: and sometimes there's like too many like horrible, horrible things
Speaker 1: are happening to people, right and you can't necessarily just
Speaker 1: change that, as much as we would like to and
Speaker 1: as much as we all want to try.
Speaker 2: But you can create.
Speaker 1: Something positive that people can come to, which is what
Speaker 1: you've done with Joe warn One, which I love, and
Speaker 1: just in life, you can create something like I was
Speaker 1: I saw something I can't remember. Oh it's someone that
Speaker 1: I follow, actually, this young man in South Carolina. He
Speaker 1: has this dog and that I have dogs and elephants
Speaker 1: and cats on my feed currently and almost always. But
Speaker 1: he was so sweet. He was talking about how he
Speaker 1: had gone through this really hard since twenties, right, he
Speaker 1: was talking about He's gone through this really hard time.
Speaker 1: And then he really felt like, I've got to pull
Speaker 1: myself out of this depression. I'm just so depressed. I
Speaker 1: can't get out of the house. I'm just really down.
Speaker 1: And he said, I'm just going to start complimenting strangers.
Speaker 2: That was the first step he made. Wow, isn't that
Speaker 2: so interesting?
Speaker 1: He just in line at the grocery store and he
Speaker 1: turned to this really much, much much older woman and
Speaker 1: told her she liked he liked her dress, and he
Speaker 1: said she looked at him like he was insane, but
Speaker 1: that you know, once he just let it like stood
Speaker 1: there enough so that she realized that he wasn't like
Speaker 1: crazy or going to hurt her whatever. I mean, reason
Speaker 1: is a weird thing, right that once she realized he
Speaker 1: was just being genuine and wanted to say something positive,
Speaker 1: that it really meant a lot to her, and that
Speaker 1: it kind of derailed her day. That is in a
Speaker 1: positive way, isn't it. He's changed the simple things. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that was his first step, and then there's a lot
Speaker 1: of other steps that he made after that.
Speaker 2: Once he started feeling better, and.
Speaker 1: It was so great that he was talking about it
Speaker 1: because he's young and he doesn't it's not like he's
Speaker 1: practiced her worldly or whatever. But he's just like working
Speaker 1: on himself in a way and trying to put it
Speaker 1: out there in the world.
Speaker 2: And I'm so oppressed with that. The thing that.
Speaker 1: Also comes to my mind as you're talking about this
Speaker 1: is that in this episode, because you have very generously agreed,
Speaker 1: of course, you rewatch Unoriginal Sin, which is a super
Speaker 1: fascinating episode, and in it, Charlotte goes to a self
Speaker 1: help thing. I'd totally forgotten about this.
Speaker 2: By the way, I was so connecting with Charlotte. And
Speaker 2: first of all, can I just say Sex and the
Speaker 2: City premiered in ninety eight. That was the first year
Speaker 2: I moved to New York and started working at Dateline,
Speaker 2: and was, by the way, when I got to New York,
Speaker 2: I arrived from New Orleans scared of everything. Wow, couldn't
Speaker 2: understand how to navigate New York, terrifying. It's a lot,
Speaker 2: it's a lot. My mom came to help me move
Speaker 2: into my apartment. I had an apartment on eighty first,
Speaker 2: and as I was there, I said, I don't know anybody,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how anyone ever knows anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and within I don't know how long my mom knew
Speaker 2: the guy who ran the bodega. The Starbucks barista had
Speaker 2: her order, Wow, this is my daughter. This is how
Speaker 2: she's kind. And I was like, wait, what's happening. My
Speaker 2: mom's introduced And then I realized you only had to
Speaker 2: know your singular block and then you had a neighborhood. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But Sex and the City was like almost like a
Speaker 2: warm blanket because I was like, wait, how to people?
Speaker 2: And then I watched you guys and I was like, wait, okay,
Speaker 2: so these are four cool girls who are navigating through
Speaker 2: They're all different and I so I had such a
Speaker 2: kind of warm blanket feeling because I used to sit
Speaker 2: in coffee shops alone because I didn't know with e
Speaker 2: like a read the paper or read a book. I'm like,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll meet someone just sitting here. And I worked
Speaker 2: at Dateline, so I was constantly flying to a prison
Speaker 2: in Kentucky or wherever. So I didn't even have a
Speaker 2: constant schedule tait be with my colleagues. It's like you're oh,
Speaker 2: you're gone right, or you're flying right. But anyway, it
Speaker 2: was so interesting, so to start off, that was such
Speaker 2: a touch point. And I can only imagine how many
Speaker 2: other women who were new to New York thinking can
Speaker 2: I make it here? Is it possible?
Speaker 1: Bowl?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, but that but Charlotte's whole post like breakup,
Speaker 2: the divorce, yeah, and the and the whole like I
Speaker 2: A quitting. I was like girls, she shows herman it's true,
Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah. The thing that I love.
Speaker 1: In this episode because I don't remember a lot of this, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's things that I remember really, really well. But
Speaker 1: once we get to a certain time, because in season three,
Speaker 1: I think we did eighteen and season four we did eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, right, And then also we're getting successful,
Speaker 1: We're going to all award shows. In your heads just
Speaker 1: spinning even if you're not at work, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yea, And things get a little fuzzy,
Speaker 1: so like I hadn't remembered everything in a linear way
Speaker 1: and I'd forgotten about this in between time when she's
Speaker 1: divorced from Trey, hasn't really gotten together with Harry yet, right,
Speaker 1: It's an interesting time and Charlotte never gives up. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I love the most about her,
Speaker 1: and she almost always believes.
Speaker 2: But here in.
Speaker 1: This episode we're seeing her falter, We're seeing her not
Speaker 1: sure if she can still have hope. Yes, rare, this
Speaker 1: is rare.
Speaker 2: Well, right for starters. Yeah, the fact Charlotte's always hopeful,
Speaker 2: so you always feel like I see a part of
Speaker 2: myself and her. I'm like, yes, of course it's going
Speaker 2: to be happening. Of course you're going to find him.
Speaker 2: Of course it's going to work. You know. It's that
Speaker 2: hole I tell my kids thoughts become things like think
Speaker 2: the thing, think the thing, cross become things. Right. And
Speaker 2: then there was that part where at the self help
Speaker 2: meeting when the cheerleadery go go, you know woman in
Speaker 2: the front who was like telling everyone you can have everything,
Speaker 2: and she was on my nerve. Sorry, I know. And
Speaker 2: then the fact that your character that Charlotte stood up
Speaker 2: and said, actually I am trying, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're not, I know, which is like the dark side
Speaker 2: of us anyway, maybe I'm not trying, I know.
Speaker 1: And I've been to self help things like that where
Speaker 1: they are really critical of you.
Speaker 2: I have been to that, and it is messed up.
Speaker 2: It's messed up the way she kept saying no, and
Speaker 2: you're like, well but actually I'm putting myself no, not
Speaker 2: enough and not in the right way. Moving on. But
Speaker 2: every woman who has tried, and you know, sometimes you
Speaker 2: have your blue sky friends who are like, just go,
Speaker 2: just do this, and you're amazing.
Speaker 1: You're right on your mirror, like you see Charlotte writing on.
Speaker 2: I know, what was it? You're loved or whatever. I
Speaker 2: know when you're taking the lipstick first of all, any
Speaker 2: affirmation I'm for. But there was something that's almost heartbreaking
Speaker 2: about someone who's almost like you're you're you're doing all
Speaker 2: the right thing. Yeah, it's like I followed the rule book.
Speaker 2: Where's the end here? Doing what you're telling me? You know?
Speaker 2: And they say, you know, like life happens right on
Speaker 2: time and you can be you know, forcing it or
Speaker 2: maybe it's now or maybe if I was just this way,
Speaker 2: or maybe I tried to be like that, I could
Speaker 2: find the brass ring that everybody else has and where's mine?
Speaker 2: But you know, here's to all the late bloomers out there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and also I just think it it, you know,
Speaker 1: and for Charlotte, obviously we know so much is coming.
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting to see, like I so relate
Speaker 1: also to trying so hard and feeling like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to follow this person who's going to tell me
Speaker 1: what to do, right. And so she drags carry to
Speaker 1: this thing, all women there, all searching, right, and this
Speaker 1: woman up there in her suit is like, well, are
Speaker 1: you really?
Speaker 2: Are you really? You know, it's just hars It's.
Speaker 1: So harsh and annoying. And I just love how Charlotte
Speaker 1: really bravely, so bravely stands up and says, you know,
Speaker 1: she really is trying, but she did have it all
Speaker 1: and then it just totally fell.
Speaker 2: Apart and she doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: And she's been doing the affirmations because I do think
Speaker 1: affirmations are a tricky one because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people on Instagram and everywhere else TikTok telling you about affirmations, right,
Speaker 1: And I do love affirmations, but I also feel, and
Speaker 1: then I'm talking about Kristin in life, not Charlotte. I
Speaker 1: also feel that sometimes you're doing like a rote affirmation
Speaker 1: that you think you should be doing, but your body
Speaker 1: knows that you don't believe it. Do you think that's.
Speaker 2: Something I believe it one hundred and you kind of
Speaker 2: go through emotions. It's like a pretender, like, let me
Speaker 2: go through, and I'm going to keep saying that and
Speaker 2: saying that you're right if your body doesn't believe you.
Speaker 2: And look, sometimes repetition helps and sometimes it doesn't sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes you don't know what else to do.
Speaker 1: And in that case, I feel like that's a positive thing.
Speaker 1: It's a lot more than beating yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes, doing something that is important.
Speaker 1: Something positive, something towards.
Speaker 2: I do something with my kids. I actually heard someone
Speaker 2: say this, and it's about repeating things and it works
Speaker 2: to put them to sleep, but it also works to
Speaker 2: calm yourself, any of us, let's hear it. So the
Speaker 2: first thing, okay, so when I say, I get them
Speaker 2: tucked in bed, and the first thing that we say
Speaker 2: is I am safe. So you repeat it, I am safe.
Speaker 2: Not until I am safe, I go keep keep saying it, sweetie,
Speaker 2: I'm safe until your body goes your body believes that
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Okay. The second one, which is my hardest one,
Speaker 2: is there is no urgency. There's no urgency. Wow, there's
Speaker 2: no urgency. And you repeat it and repeat it and
Speaker 2: repeat it not until your brain gets it. You keep
Speaker 2: repeating it, and there will come a time no matter
Speaker 2: how many times you have to repeat that, your body
Speaker 2: goes okay. And then the last one is I am
Speaker 2: still and calm. I am still and calm, and you
Speaker 2: repeat it until your body size. And when your body size,
Speaker 2: it means your body's like, okay, you're right, I got you.
Speaker 2: But those three things my kids often fall asleep. I
Speaker 2: do it sometimes before a big speech, yeah something, because
Speaker 2: it's like a it's like there's no urgency, it's gonna happen,
Speaker 2: and when you're done, it's helpful. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to affirmations, I get it. There's some blue sky kind
Speaker 2: of BSc things that you feel like please, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean there are a point like I have so
Speaker 2: many affirmations on my feed that after a while sometimes
Speaker 2: I roll it. I'm like, Okay, here's another one. But
Speaker 2: I think it's like, you know, using them sparingly and
Speaker 2: using them in the right way like Charlotte right.
Speaker 1: And I also do think that like if you're really
Speaker 1: thinking about times like I can think about times, you know,
Speaker 1: in my twenties where you know you're just you don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, and life is just like
Speaker 1: crazy upside down. You don't know what's going on. That's
Speaker 1: a better thing to do than a lot of other
Speaker 1: things one could be doing. Right, So I think there's
Speaker 1: exact something seeps in somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to go to as many of those
Speaker 2: kinds of things. I was listening to a guy who
Speaker 2: does a podcast and he said, for he's he's wanted
Speaker 2: to be a coach, and he ended up being a
Speaker 2: great one. But he said, for every weekend, for fifty
Speaker 2: two weeks in one year, I went to some kind
Speaker 2: of a thing like that. It was a week in
Speaker 2: retreat and online learning a thing. I made it a habit. Wow,
Speaker 2: for fifty two weeks a lot I was going to
Speaker 2: learn something. I was going to do a course online,
Speaker 2: or listen to whatever, go to the ninety second street
Speaker 2: y and listen to a speaker, or do whatever. Did
Speaker 2: all the things for fifty two weeks. And imagine if
Speaker 2: you did that for one day, one one, you know,
Speaker 2: two hours, for three hours, for a year, how much
Speaker 2: richer you would feel inside, how much you'd know, how
Speaker 2: much you'd feel different. That's interesting. I thought, it's so
Speaker 2: interesting yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think there's so many different kind
Speaker 1: of modalities and you know, meditation theories and yoga and
Speaker 1: different there's so many different things. And if you do
Speaker 1: go on a on a kind of journey to find
Speaker 1: one that clicks with you, that's one.
Speaker 2: I think that's key.
Speaker 1: But I also think not everyone can do that, right,
Speaker 1: So then it's it's nice to know little kind of
Speaker 1: almost like tricks and tools on along the.
Speaker 2: Way right totally, which is cool.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the episode for second, because
Speaker 1: I can talk to you about all things. But we're
Speaker 1: going to talk over in your room later. It's going
Speaker 1: to be really fun. Okay, So this is a cool
Speaker 1: episode because we're back. This is us coming back in
Speaker 1: season five after Branda has had her baby, which is
Speaker 1: a very big shift and change for our whole episode.
Speaker 1: Can I also say our whole show? You have given
Speaker 1: such sweet interviews over time about Sex City.
Speaker 2: It's so sweet like love.
Speaker 1: At one point you said something about you that you
Speaker 1: felt like it let other people know who are like
Speaker 1: sitting by themselves in their living room, that we're single,
Speaker 1: that it's okay, we're all together.
Speaker 2: That was such a huge I don't think I mean
Speaker 2: maybe you guys do know. I'm sure millions of people
Speaker 2: have come up to you over the years and said, hey,
Speaker 2: you don't know what it meant, But there is when
Speaker 2: you can see yourself, your situation in somebody else and realize, like, wait,
Speaker 2: even cool girls get lonely, or wait, even cool girls
Speaker 2: get confused, or even someone's mistake make mistakes. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: even someone who can be like like Samantha such a
Speaker 2: boss and also can be so vulnerable, and you can
Speaker 2: see like all these different parts, and I think there
Speaker 2: was something about that that made all of us feel
Speaker 2: like either less alone and also it's fun to see
Speaker 2: something ambitious. It's like, oh, well, clothes, fun, Okay, what
Speaker 2: are they doing? Where are they going? So New York
Speaker 2: can be this too, this fun, cool, vibrant, glamorous place.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you just eating a pizza in your apartment,
Speaker 2: which is most of the days, right, most of the time,
Speaker 2: it you know, kind of felt like that. But to
Speaker 2: see that they were by themselves, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to have people like yourself out there.
Speaker 2: You know, of course, god you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean it, But at this point in time, it's
Speaker 1: fun for me. To look back because some of it
Speaker 1: I really remember. Some of it I don't write like
Speaker 1: I did not remember. This is the great episode where
Speaker 1: Anne Mirra comes as Steve's mom.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, saw that right by the way. First
Speaker 2: of all, the fact that Miranda never met her, right,
Speaker 2: that was so for some reason that was so jarring
Speaker 2: in rewatching it, because I rewatched it too, I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: how what does that say about their relationship? If you
Speaker 2: have never bothered or never wanted or he never offered, Like,
Speaker 2: what does that tell you? Well?
Speaker 1: It says a lot of things, though, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that we're now shifting right because the
Speaker 1: theory and the plan from the get go had been
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't see everyone's family like we never see mine.
Speaker 2: We don't see carries, right.
Speaker 1: We talk a little about them peppered through. There's little hints,
Speaker 1: but Michael Patrick and Darren believed, and I think Candice
Speaker 1: in her original column, you know in New York you
Speaker 1: don't say, like, where are you from?
Speaker 2: Parents?
Speaker 1: Right, Like everyone's here, now you're here. Now You've come
Speaker 1: here to this great city for some reason. Right, You
Speaker 1: probably were talking about that reason, not about what you
Speaker 1: liked that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. Yeah, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 2: So when she popped up, it was extra like wait
Speaker 2: what Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also because she pops up with I mean, she's
Speaker 1: just so fascinating immediately, first.
Speaker 2: Of all, everybody loves her right, and secondly to watch
Speaker 2: her in that role and she's so yeah, oh she's
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: Crowds that like being with her, and she's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: I mean she's just a sweet, sweet lady. And there
Speaker 1: were so many connections. I think Sir Jessica knew her.
Speaker 2: We all know Ben.
Speaker 1: Of course, I think Sir Jessica knew Jerry. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like Michael.
Speaker 2: Patrick might like there was connections.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it was kind of like
Speaker 1: the dream was to have m play Yes Steven's mother,
Speaker 1: and then it happened, which you're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's amazing. And also just the New York
Speaker 1: lore that game with her and carry incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just perfect. You just forget all these
Speaker 2: cool people who popped up. We were so like everyone
Speaker 2: was probably knocking on your door. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: They were not going on our door. I know that
Speaker 1: we would always really just try, you know. We would
Speaker 1: always have our dream, our wish, and sometimes it would
Speaker 1: work out, and sometimes it wouldn't, like scheduleise or whatever,
Speaker 1: this or that. And I think sometimes like when isn't
Speaker 1: this the episode where Emmy Sidaris and Molly Shannon are
Speaker 1: sitting there too, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: I've forgotten that was one of my favorite little scenes.
Speaker 1: It's great they play like book published, they want her
Speaker 1: to write a book, to write.
Speaker 2: A book, and and and I know, and Carrie's kind
Speaker 2: of like trying to be real in there. She's also like.
Speaker 1: Do I want to I just like Carrie answer is yes.
Speaker 1: They're funny, so brilliant, so funny. And I know when
Speaker 1: I knew Molly had been on the show, and I
Speaker 1: knew Amy had been on the show, but I didn't
Speaker 1: remember in what way. Yeah, And then to see them
Speaker 1: there and they're so believable as book editors.
Speaker 2: I believed, and they were runny, sassy, and they were sassy,
Speaker 2: and they were like, because you're hopeful, right, what's your
Speaker 2: point of view? And She's like, well, I think right.
Speaker 1: And this is like one almost pretty much a downtime
Speaker 1: for Carrie because Aiden's gone, Big is gone, big has
Speaker 1: moved to NAPA, Right, that's what happened at the end
Speaker 1: of the last sear that's right.
Speaker 2: So now and now. And she thought it's so funny
Speaker 2: because when things start going wrong in life, and she
Speaker 2: was thinking, I have nothing to write about. My column
Speaker 2: is terrible, nobody likes it. I'm writing about boring things.
Speaker 2: And you know, when you think everything's going wrong, and
Speaker 2: so her editor is like hounding her and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that car.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get fired. Right. It's so funny how life is.
Speaker 2: You think that everything is like cascading, right, when in
Speaker 2: reality he walks up to her and says, hey, good news. Right,
Speaker 2: we want you to write put this in a book,
Speaker 2: or someone wants you to one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I also thought it was interesting because number one,
Speaker 1: she absolutely believes that everything's bad because she's writing about
Speaker 1: socks and she can't come up with anything right, and
Speaker 1: she thinks she's gonna get fired because that's her mindset, right,
Speaker 1: But then the world is actually giving you something different,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the opposite of affirmation in that way, right,
Speaker 1: But then when they try to give it to her,
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: write a book, and samanthas like, yes, you do. Everyone
Speaker 1: and their brother has a book. There's a word anything
Speaker 1: as a book or whatever. It's funny, but you're also
Speaker 1: like Carrie, like you know, expand your thinking there. But
Speaker 1: she's so.
Speaker 2: Interesting and she's thinking like, my life's got to be
Speaker 2: here and the book's out of my reach. I can't
Speaker 2: write that.
Speaker 1: I also think some of it is the times right,
Speaker 1: because like if you think about now, and I think
Speaker 1: because everybody, all of us are doing all the things
Speaker 1: and are able to thank goodness. But also I feel
Speaker 1: like because of social media and the way the world
Speaker 1: has changed, everyone is able to create their brand and
Speaker 1: do this to do that, and I think we're all
Speaker 1: much more aware.
Speaker 2: A good point. So back then you wouldn't you would
Speaker 2: think of a book as a huge mountain to climb.
Speaker 2: Now it's sort of like, you know, check out who's
Speaker 2: got a book out this week? Exactly. That's so interesting that.
Speaker 2: So I just love how she her character is such
Speaker 2: a fierce defender of you and the other characters. I
Speaker 2: just love the whole idea that you've got everyone needs
Speaker 2: a friend who's like, uh uh, you're not messing with
Speaker 2: my people. Like I love that you all have that together,
Speaker 2: but displaying that, I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It is really interesting to see the things that live on,
Speaker 1: you know, and the things that are the strongest messages
Speaker 1: that come out of it. And I feel like the
Speaker 1: friendship part of it is the strongest thing, you know,
Speaker 1: And all of the relationship things we can talk about
Speaker 1: and they're interesting, and I think that relationship stuff lasts
Speaker 1: forever because it's always on people's minds, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: never going to change, and the specifics might change, like
Speaker 1: now there's dating apps whenever we didn't have y, but
Speaker 1: the issues are still the same, right. But the friendship
Speaker 1: and the strength of the friendship, the importance of the
Speaker 1: friendship now, I think are much more accepted in society,
Speaker 1: which is back then everyone was like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know that much time to spend with my friends, which
Speaker 1: was true, you know, but also now I think people realize, no,
Speaker 1: that's important.
Speaker 2: That's actually super important. Yes, that's such a good important fact.
Speaker 2: And in that episode too, when you're talking about it,
Speaker 2: it was sort of like Carrie's character just wanted to
Speaker 2: be with the girls, and everybody else was thinking about, well,
Speaker 2: we got to meet guys, right, and she was like,
Speaker 2: but what about us right here? It's true? Is true?
Speaker 2: Or do we come here together? That's so true?
Speaker 1: But it's also like that's kind of different, and I
Speaker 1: do you think, like in the nineties when we started
Speaker 1: the show, you know, people are like, oh, you're all
Speaker 1: just talking about men. I feel like that's what it was. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't mean that you didn't enjoy being
Speaker 1: with your friends, but you are together with your friends
Speaker 1: trying to figure the men out because they were confusing.
Speaker 1: You know they still are, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they were very confusing back then because they were like
Speaker 1: elusive and withholding and all of those things. Was just
Speaker 1: totally normal, Right, It's all interesting. You didn't even talk
Speaker 1: about those words back then.
Speaker 2: Isn't that so funny? How? But it's all still so relevant.
Speaker 2: Like when I was watching it, that's the other thing
Speaker 2: that struck me. I was like, it is so interesting
Speaker 2: that all the topics and I'm sure you've noticed this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so cool that you're doing the podcast
Speaker 2: this way. I love this format of breaking it down
Speaker 2: because you're right, there's so many things in each one
Speaker 2: that's like a life lesson, a way to believe what's
Speaker 2: this about? And I just think it still holds like
Speaker 2: it does. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's the writers, you know. The writers were just so
Speaker 1: great and they took so many chances. Yes, because HBO
Speaker 1: allowed us also, right, we didn't have focus groups, we
Speaker 1: weren't on a network, we didn't have to worry about advertising.
Speaker 2: You did your own things.
Speaker 1: They let us do our thing, which was so rare, right,
Speaker 1: so incredibly rare. But when I'm watching this particular episode
Speaker 1: and the I guess it starts at the finale of
Speaker 1: season four when she has the baby, because that's a huge, huge,
Speaker 1: huge departure, right, And now all of a sudden, we've
Speaker 1: got Anne Mirra, we've got a mother in law even
Speaker 1: though they're not married, right, and we're going to a
Speaker 1: church to baptize the baby, and we suddenly are in
Speaker 1: like a like a drama. Like the music starts and
Speaker 1: it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And I thought it was so interesting about
Speaker 2: you and Carrie's characters, Like your character was so upset
Speaker 2: that she wasn't asked to be the godmin I know,
Speaker 2: and Carrie was just sort of like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I want to do that another round. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure why we're doing this. Why does she want? That's
Speaker 2: your general thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I know I did.
Speaker 1: I did feel bad for Charlotte then too, because I
Speaker 1: had forgotten, right and I'm like, oh, no, that's going
Speaker 1: to hurt her. Yeah, you know, because Charlotte is so sensitive.
Speaker 1: And it is one of the things that Michael Patrick
Speaker 1: talked about when they decided to have Miranda have the
Speaker 1: baby was that it was about trying to, you know, Charlotte.
Speaker 1: This is what Charlotte wanted, right, the dream wedding, the
Speaker 1: dream husband, the dream baby. But she can't get everything
Speaker 1: she wants because that's just not how life is, right,
Speaker 1: and so everything fill apart and she can't have children
Speaker 1: or she has trouble having children, and so what's that
Speaker 1: going to be? And she has to always be coming
Speaker 1: up against that, which is what makes it interesting, right.
Speaker 1: But then it's also you know, it's like everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of down in a really interesting way, you know, But
Speaker 1: yet it's also still beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was beautiful. It was so there was something so
Speaker 2: beautiful about it. When they were pouring the holy water
Speaker 2: on the baby and the music and the music, and
Speaker 2: then that scene about how the holy water kind of
Speaker 2: hit Carrie's arm, and it was like it was just
Speaker 2: so and she said and she made some comment about that,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of some of this holy water
Speaker 2: lands on me and does. But as I was watching
Speaker 2: the whole vibe of everything, totally agree. It was just
Speaker 2: such an like you don't, I mean, I can't. First
Speaker 2: of all, I can't believe all these things happened in
Speaker 2: one episode. That's the other thing that's crazy by I
Speaker 2: was like, pack it is.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's insane. It's insane, but okay, so let's just
Speaker 1: go over carry a little bit. We covered a lot
Speaker 1: of the big things, I mean, and you're right, there's
Speaker 1: just so much that you can't even get your mind
Speaker 1: around it or whatever. But so we go to the
Speaker 1: self help thing and I was just so so it's
Speaker 1: one of those times where you're because I couldn't really remember.
Speaker 1: I remember I had to stand up and give a
Speaker 1: speechy kind of a Charlotte thing, but I didn't remember
Speaker 1: the gist of it. I didn't remember that lady was
Speaker 1: going to be mean to me and how many times
Speaker 1: have I felt that in like you go, you're going
Speaker 1: to try to get help, and yeah, these people they
Speaker 1: have there's like a negativity often times in these kind
Speaker 1: of self help worlds.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that you stood up, your characters
Speaker 2: stood up spoke volumes to me. It's a room full
Speaker 2: of people, you know, you're feeling kind of weird. Think
Speaker 2: about the courage it takes as a kid to raise
Speaker 2: your hand in class and say the thing, especially the
Speaker 2: thing and it's contrary to what this.
Speaker 1: This other lady is just like, yeah, I did what
Speaker 1: you said, and I've got.
Speaker 2: It all and I got my husband in all but
Speaker 2: in two days, like okay, and so to have the courage,
Speaker 2: which the thing that spoke to me was you ever
Speaker 2: do you ever see The Dead Poets Society that movie?
Speaker 2: Do you remember when he stands up on the desk
Speaker 2: and says, a captain my conct So I always think
Speaker 2: about that, like what does it take to stand up?
Speaker 2: To be the first one to stand up, not the
Speaker 2: second or the third, the one who says I'm going
Speaker 2: to risk it. I'm standing on this desk, I'm talking
Speaker 2: to everybody. I could go down and I don't care
Speaker 2: if I'm all alone. It's like that feeling. And when
Speaker 2: you when your character stood up there in that moment
Speaker 2: and knew, I'm sure like you picture heart pounding, palm
Speaker 2: sweating saying the thing. And then when she gave you
Speaker 2: the cheerleading speech after you said I had everything and
Speaker 2: I lost everything. I don't think it's coming. And then
Speaker 2: she gave you the speech of like, nope, just keep
Speaker 2: on going, and you're like, actually, even more, it wasn't
Speaker 2: like you went, thank you, sit down.
Speaker 1: And I thought she might because I didn't remember what
Speaker 1: I did right, because she's a people pleaser.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and I didn't. And so many women,
Speaker 2: I think, are the kind who were like, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say anything. Maybe someone else will say the thing, right,
Speaker 2: you know, and then I'll say, oh, yeah, I felt
Speaker 2: that too. I don't have the gots to stand up
Speaker 2: and actually say it myself, but I think it spoke
Speaker 2: a lot about your character. And then when it was
Speaker 2: over your portion, and then Carrie jumps in and so
Speaker 2: she gives an extra swing and says, no, she did
Speaker 2: she Hey, she did. She tried. The woman's like, no,
Speaker 2: not hard enough, you know, but you felt the friendship
Speaker 2: and the courage and the bravery and all the things.
Speaker 2: Absolutely when you're weak, when you're both weak in a
Speaker 2: weak state, right, and to be able to do that
Speaker 2: is pretty cool. I agree.
Speaker 1: It was great and I hadn't remembered it, but it
Speaker 1: was so good. And it's just one episode.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: It's also the shot. Wow, I know we were just
Speaker 1: firing on all Cylanders at this point. Yes. So then
Speaker 1: then we so back to the book part for Carrie,
Speaker 1: which is also so funny because we know later on
Speaker 1: she writes multiple books, right, and like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see. I had forgotten how we kind of
Speaker 1: track along with her in.
Speaker 2: The show, right.
Speaker 1: But also the show is based on Kansas's book, which
Speaker 1: was from her column and a paper. It's all really
Speaker 1: so interesting. And then obviously we make it into the show,
Speaker 1: and then at some point they talked to carry about
Speaker 1: making it into a movie, but they talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's all very interesting. Meta is kind of meta, right everything,
Speaker 1: And when all of a sudden we see Molly and
Speaker 1: Amy Sedaris there just cracks me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those two are those those two just sitting next
Speaker 2: to each other. I was laughing before.
Speaker 1: They so fantastic I know, so fantastic.
Speaker 2: I believed. I believed every single too, me too.
Speaker 1: And then Molly went on to be on Divorce with
Speaker 1: Sarah or her show that she did after an HBO,
Speaker 1: and Amy's one of her best friends, and we see
Speaker 1: them all the time, which we love, we love them.
Speaker 1: It's so wonderful to have those.
Speaker 2: I just think Amy period is like incredible gold.
Speaker 1: She is just such a unique human being in all
Speaker 1: the ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been on the Today Show many times and
Speaker 2: I can't remember what she was doing she crack. I
Speaker 2: just remember laughing. I don't remember what she did.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's funny, doesn't matter what she does. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I've seen her in her off time,
Speaker 1: so sometimes she's not funny, which is also interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm always thrown by comedians who aren't funny in the moment,
Speaker 2: even though how can they possibly be? But of course,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure I always think about that when I'm
Speaker 2: interviewing a comedian like I wonder how hard it is
Speaker 2: to always think, now, do the thing again, you have
Speaker 2: to see. I just interviewed Seth Myers for Art for
Speaker 2: the podcast, and I thought, I mean, he was so
Speaker 2: naturally hilarious. But I was wondering if every time they
Speaker 2: sit down, it's like, Okay, I can't be just the
Speaker 2: older I am at home. I can't just be the
Speaker 2: guy who you know sits and then you know, plays
Speaker 2: my cat. I gotta I gotta turn the lights on,
Speaker 2: I gotta throw yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also think, and I don't know him
Speaker 1: well enough to know, but I also think there is
Speaker 1: the thing too, where like if they don't have that,
Speaker 1: then they're really unhappy.
Speaker 2: Also, right, like they need they need they need it,
Speaker 2: right they do, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Now, it's interesting. I mean, I'm sure their wives,
Speaker 1: you know, we should ask their wives what goes on?
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about we talked about Charlotte. I
Speaker 1: mean I had forgotten all this. I forgot about Charlotte
Speaker 1: and Carrie sitting there in the cold. Whenever we would
Speaker 1: come back to work, it'd be February, and in this
Speaker 1: particular episode, it's wet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did notice. I noticed that you guys
Speaker 2: were breathing.
Speaker 1: Because there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2: No, And by the way, how do you not appear
Speaker 2: like I cannot be cold? I cannot be in the cold,
Speaker 2: look like it I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm always cold and it would be very sore.
Speaker 1: I remember when we were sitting there doing that scene.
Speaker 1: I I think, and I could be wrong. I think
Speaker 1: Sarah Juska is already pregnant, but I think no one knew,
Speaker 1: but I knew, and I was really worried about her
Speaker 1: because it was so bloody cold, yes, and I didn't
Speaker 1: think she was wearing a warm enough coat because sometimes
Speaker 1: we would do our fittings, we'd have our whole outfit plant,
Speaker 1: but we wouldn't put the cold into the equation, right,
Speaker 1: And then sometimes Pat would have coats in case it
Speaker 1: was cold, right, And I was like, you know, she's
Speaker 1: got to get a better coat. But she didn't want
Speaker 1: anyone to know, so I couldn't make a big fuss.
Speaker 2: So you were like, you're good.
Speaker 1: Right, But but I was likeal cot coat because you
Speaker 1: know when when you're acting and they have the coats
Speaker 1: that they run in with what you do on the
Speaker 1: Today Show too, and you had to go out because
Speaker 1: sometimes it was bloody cold there. Okay, I remember that,
Speaker 1: but you could wear a coat, but like sometimes they
Speaker 1: bring an extra coat, right, That's what it was when
Speaker 1: you're acting, right, when they all cut. They our dressers
Speaker 1: would run in with coats and like, bundle us up,
Speaker 1: but then to take it back off and you try
Speaker 1: not for shatter.
Speaker 2: You're like, maybe just not bring the coat exactly.
Speaker 1: But then are you going to get sick?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You don't want to get sick. And then because I
Speaker 1: knew she was pregnant, thank you, thank you well. That's
Speaker 1: what was also funny is that there's a couple of
Speaker 1: references in here to Sir Jusica not being maternal. She's
Speaker 1: so maternal, but Carrie is not her, which is impossible
Speaker 1: to remember, right. But I also I love the what
Speaker 1: they're building in about who women are at different times
Speaker 1: in their lives. And then your friends start getting married.
Speaker 2: Or having children or whatever.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that? Why did your relationship?
Speaker 1: It's very interesting and it's interesting to look back on
Speaker 1: because obviously a lot has happened since then in our lives, right,
Speaker 1: But I think they did it really well. And there's
Speaker 1: always that time where someone hands you their baby and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I know I know.
Speaker 2: You saw her holding so she was she pregnant? Then?
Speaker 1: I think so, I think she was early pregnant.
Speaker 2: I was just hoping crazy working out baby.
Speaker 1: Yes, but so much stepth you know in there, And
Speaker 1: I love it. I think that's so real to how
Speaker 1: life is right, like you don't even necessarily know how
Speaker 1: you feel.
Speaker 2: About it all. Yeah, you know, right, and then suddenly
Speaker 2: you're thrust into that situation. You're like, Okay, how do
Speaker 2: I feel? Is this right? Does this feel like the
Speaker 2: right thing? Exactly? Exactly? I love that.
Speaker 1: So I had forgotten about this whole thing that I've
Speaker 1: drugg carry out there to look at men and who
Speaker 1: would we sleep with?
Speaker 2: How insane?
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: It was hilarious, and you were like, she had like
Speaker 2: zero I know I had so many one on earth.
Speaker 1: And then of course her book editor comes tells her, no,
Speaker 1: he's not going to fire her. He wants to write book,
Speaker 1: which is great. And then there's the affirmation thing which
Speaker 1: we went through. Doctor Cheryl was her name.
Speaker 2: Hysterical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to find from the writers who who
Speaker 1: she was?
Speaker 2: Right? But she was perfect. She was perfect because they're
Speaker 2: kind of a little scary. And also that fake cheerleady.
Speaker 1: I know I know it there right now, who are
Speaker 1: like this?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, don't you Yeah, you're like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Listened to me, I know, and I'm like, look deeper,
Speaker 2: you guys, yeah you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that people aren't giving something
Speaker 1: that's useful, but I think that when they get too big,
Speaker 1: sometimes that does happen. There's a little something that's interesting, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is interesting.
Speaker 2: That is it's like you're right when you discover some
Speaker 2: somebody kind of on Like I'm a big like I
Speaker 2: love a Ted talk. I'm like, let me. Yeah, talks
Speaker 2: are great, eighteen minutes long. Yeah, you're not going to
Speaker 2: be bored, and it can be totally inspired and they
Speaker 2: seem authentic and real, Yes, and I think they are.
Speaker 1: I think it's what happens later, Yes, that things might go.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, right, because you adjust
Speaker 2: for your audience and then you change and then you know,
Speaker 2: they need to monetize, And so.
Speaker 1: I think the need to monetize is the thing that
Speaker 1: leads up to some wackiness, right, because how can you
Speaker 1: monetize if you're not pretending to have all the answers? Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think that anyone who's pretending to have all
Speaker 1: the answers.
Speaker 2: Right, and plus nobody likes them in the end anyway.
Speaker 1: I know, it's a it's a limited thing. It's interesting though,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, especially currently where I think like
Speaker 1: things are kind of just upside down or whatever, and
Speaker 1: people really need something to follow and you know, help
Speaker 1: like to feel some sensitive point control or or better
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they maybe are drawn to some people
Speaker 1: who maybe are I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, that's interesting right when you are lost, it's interesting
Speaker 2: who you'll follow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean I do think there's probably
Speaker 1: something a kernel in everything that's helpful, right, But then
Speaker 1: it gets to be too you know, it's like it
Speaker 1: grows past the point of the original idea. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're in this field. You're going to figure it all
Speaker 1: out for us Monday, Okay. I really want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Miranda storyline, because I also have totally forgotten
Speaker 1: that this is when Anne shows up when the baby
Speaker 1: gets baptized, which I'd also forgot about because she's not
Speaker 1: even religious, right, and it makes so many jokes about it.
Speaker 2: I know. And then Carrie was like, look, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what I believe, and she and Miranda thought
Speaker 2: a very poignant moment was like when Miranda says to her,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I believe, but I believe in you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was like you're like, oh, okay, then you're
Speaker 2: the godmother. Yeah, and how about that weird godfather? I
Speaker 2: know what on our god? Who was he? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, I don't know and we should find out.
Speaker 1: And also like are we going to see him again?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what's happening? And I need to
Speaker 1: find out for Michael Patrick because Michael Patrick's very Catholic.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: What I felt was we opened the door to Catholicism
Speaker 1: and it came in all of the relatives and every things,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure are people in his life like that.
Speaker 2: I felt they.
Speaker 1: Were so interesting. I have to find out if that's
Speaker 1: true or not. But that's what I felt because we
Speaker 1: I do feel like just.
Speaker 2: The whole other thing happened, yes, and the.
Speaker 1: Music it's so beautiful, but also they kept saying they
Speaker 1: don't believe in it, but it's still so beautiful. I
Speaker 1: think this is Michael Patrick's feelings.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so interesting. Yeah, I mean, working with such
Speaker 2: a genius guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: Cool. I mean because usually you know, like I don't
Speaker 2: know with any any project or anything you work on.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you peel back the layers and there's really nothing there. Right.
Speaker 2: We didn't really think it through. It's just like here
Speaker 2: it is to do that. That does, but this is not
Speaker 2: that like every piece is connected to something.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, and I mean sometimes it's not him. Right,
Speaker 1: Like we have these incredible women Jenny Bakes, Cindy Shoe
Speaker 1: Backgar executive producer writers who had Jenny had come in
Speaker 1: for season. Syndey comes second season and they escalate, you know,
Speaker 1: they get like co executive producer credit. By the end,
Speaker 1: they all got stolen away with big deals the networks.
Speaker 1: Like they became this like wow, super desirable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We were so sad to see them go. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, we were so happy for them.
Speaker 2: Right, like you know that, yeah that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they all got got like poached out from us.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: It was really slightly traumatic, but also would also you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely cool. It was really cool because they had both
Speaker 1: just started as just regular writers and then they just
Speaker 1: put more and more of themselves into it and like
Speaker 1: all these the dating stories were the female writers' stories.
Speaker 2: Oh, they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to be either their stories or someone
Speaker 1: they knew story, or they didn't put it in the show.
Speaker 2: Why was that just?
Speaker 1: They wanted to be real, believable, authentic. Yes, And so
Speaker 1: it's fun to have them on and say like, well,
Speaker 1: where did this come from?
Speaker 2: Where did that come?
Speaker 1: There's always some fascinating story.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's cool. I didn't know that either.
Speaker 1: Great they thought everyone thought it was our story. That
Speaker 1: would be insane. You can't act your own story.
Speaker 2: It's weird, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we'd be like self conscious. No, it's much easier
Speaker 1: when it's other people's stories.
Speaker 2: But with the.
Speaker 1: Catholic thing, I'm sure it's Michael. But then the other things.
Speaker 1: None of them have babies yet. In Life Rights we
Speaker 1: were all yeah. But I mean like even like the writers,
Speaker 1: no one had to be because we were working all
Speaker 1: the time. Right, So I think it's like sisters, babies, friends, babies,
Speaker 1: things like that right where there, And that's why they're
Speaker 1: the carry You don't trying to say.
Speaker 2: They're kind of like, I don't know how to do.
Speaker 2: What do I have to offer? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think that was their experience.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, right, because no one has No one was
Speaker 2: going down that road yet. No, we were at work
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: We were I mean, Cynthia had a baby before we
Speaker 1: ever started and was just handled it amazingly. And then
Speaker 1: she's about to have another baby, and Sarah's about to
Speaker 1: have her first baby. Got it, which is why the
Speaker 1: fifth season ends up being very short because we think
Speaker 1: we can hide the pregnancy, but we cannot do it. No,
Speaker 1: her shadow, she would be all dress because she's so tiny,
Speaker 1: right that there was just this bump like a basketball
Speaker 1: was under there, whatever, and they would camouflage it, and
Speaker 1: then her shadow on the street would have the bump.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: That's when we were like, oh, the gig is up up.
Speaker 2: I know what.
Speaker 1: We did our best. We did our best, but this
Speaker 1: is about to happen it or I think there's early
Speaker 1: pregnancy and no one knew that is what I think
Speaker 1: at this point. I know, and I'm just happy that
Speaker 1: it all worked out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then Samantha storyline, so this is the craziness with Richard,
Speaker 1: which you know, I had not realized that Richard stays
Speaker 1: for so long. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, it showed that storyline was so interesting to me too,
Speaker 2: because it showed you that these powerful women like Samantha
Speaker 2: is with a guy who was a you know, cheater
Speaker 2: or what, not good enough for her, not good enough
Speaker 2: for her, No, and still somehow she was desperate for
Speaker 2: him and you know he it's just every there. Anyone
Speaker 2: who's ever been cheated on in their life knows the
Speaker 2: feeling and then the apology and then the big present
Speaker 2: and I'm so maybe but no, and deep down you wonder, right,
Speaker 2: can you live with that playing out in your head?
Speaker 2: But I was so because you know the idea of
Speaker 2: is he cheating or is it in my head? You know? Yes,
Speaker 2: that's another you know, she kept seeing women and then
Speaker 2: wondering like, right, you know, it's horrible. It's horrible. If anyone,
Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of people who are listening have had
Speaker 2: an experience where you know there's been infidelity, it's like
Speaker 2: you feel like when you know, you know, but sometimes
Speaker 2: you know, a man could be very convincing. Now, that's
Speaker 2: wasn't how it happened. That wasn't how it went down.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you thinking? You know? And then
Speaker 2: you start questioning and you're saying to yourself, oh well,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it was so interesting how to your friend
Speaker 2: the friend group was like I hated him. It was good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 1: And also it's so weird and interesting to me that
Speaker 1: they had him.
Speaker 2: Who's this super powerful worldly guy.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, like Samantha's equal in so many ways. Right,
Speaker 1: and then he's saying he got scared, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: such a normally I guess it's not just a female thing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think now, but like, and then he
Speaker 1: comes up with the baptism and tells Miranda like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was I was scared.
Speaker 2: I mean really really sure, I know. And Miranda's like,
Speaker 2: I believe I was scared. That's why I cheated, Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: you gotta come up with something better, right, I know,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: And it's also it's not like let's say Samantha was
Speaker 1: like we have to get married. Like let's say she
Speaker 1: suddenly suddenly became Charlotte. Right then you can see that
Speaker 1: he might have some fear of impulse to run or whatever,
Speaker 1: but there's not that it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: I was just like, WHOA, I.
Speaker 1: Don't remember any of this, and it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think this her dead sprint up the
Speaker 2: stairs to catch him in the act. And if you've
Speaker 2: ever thought your significant other is cheating and you're like
Speaker 2: about to jump in there, you know that the fear
Speaker 2: in the beginning, it's like, oh my god, everything, this
Speaker 2: is it. It's happening right now. And for her run
Speaker 2: in the door, swing the door open, and he's there,
Speaker 2: clickety clacking on his computer, looking at her like she's crazy.
Speaker 2: And so then you're like, well, maybe was she a
Speaker 2: look crazy? And then when she leaves the room and
Speaker 2: you watch that same you know, housekeeper with the boobs
Speaker 2: out and the towels looking at her like mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: like you we all everyone knows the game, okay, and
Speaker 2: we know the game. It's the worst game. It's depressing,
Speaker 2: it's sad, it's just the pits ya. And you know,
Speaker 2: in those cases, it's like it's so hard because your
Speaker 2: friends know and they try to tell you. But I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we've all been in situations where you're like, I told her,
Speaker 2: she's mad at me. Now she doesn't speak to me,
Speaker 2: and they're tee and then you're like, well, that's so true.
Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting because it is such a
Speaker 1: departure for Samantha right. It's so interesting to see Samantha
Speaker 1: be in that situation, which I think is also interesting
Speaker 1: writing that they were like, Okay, first of all, we
Speaker 1: want Samantha to actually fall in love. Then we wanted
Speaker 1: to actually get hurt and try to make it work,
Speaker 1: which is kind of impressive for her to even try, right,
Speaker 1: So I guess it's all about, like, within that character,
Speaker 1: what's growth, And in some ways that is growth for
Speaker 1: her right to even try to be hopeful in that situation.
Speaker 2: But also you feel like he's.
Speaker 1: Not worth it, at least that's how I felt, right.
Speaker 1: I felt the same, right, right, right, So we know
Speaker 1: he's going to go, so it's okay. That's one of
Speaker 1: the good things about rewatching. It's like, well, we know
Speaker 1: we're not going to suffer.
Speaker 2: Down this too loss exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But also it's funny because sometimes, like with Steve and Miranda,
Speaker 1: I watched them and I'm like, okay, wait, I know
Speaker 1: where we get to in the film, right, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea how we get there, and I know
Speaker 1: we have Blair Underwood coming, so I'm so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so interesting, But like they keep the threads going so expertly. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I think that's also how life is, right, Like
Speaker 1: you can have a connection with someone, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's going to work out in whatever way you
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. But then also that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: go away either, and it can you can't choose to
Speaker 1: try to make it work out.
Speaker 2: Like it's interesting to me, I do I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: Miranda also, she could have totally ended up with Blair's
Speaker 1: character that was dreaming, right, because he's incredible.
Speaker 2: I loved him, right. It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about because I'm like, wait, what
Speaker 1: about Blair. I'm like, oh, but then the Brooklyn Bridge
Speaker 1: and that kiss.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing that we have this length of time
Speaker 1: with these characters.
Speaker 2: Right, to see them through all the seasons, all the things.
Speaker 2: I love it episode.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to get I do have one more
Speaker 1: personal question for you?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, are you a Charlotte. I am a
Speaker 2: part Charlotte. Okay, I'm the optimism. I have the optimism
Speaker 2: of Charlotte. I would believe, I hope till the end,
Speaker 2: I have some carry.
Speaker 1: Love it and observation, yes, and analysis.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And then I have the boss that I
Speaker 2: think both Branda and Samantha have a little boss a
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm in charge, sorry, So I think I
Speaker 2: have those two traits. So I'm gonna But of course,
Speaker 2: any optimist has some Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, I love that so much. That's a very balanced.
Speaker 2: And I have a little bit of each. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm more optimist than anything. I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, you have a podcast called joy War, and you
Speaker 1: have a whole brand, so you definitely got some Charlotte
Speaker 1: in there. Definitely, Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: Was so great.
Speaker 1: I know it's really fun and I'm gonna come talk about.
Speaker 2: Enjoying with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The way you're so good at this, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is a very big compliment. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. You're so easy. You m