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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Getty and no He Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen hundred and fifty five dollars a month for healthcare

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Speaker 2: premium has got my attention. And I think our senators

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Speaker 2: and congressmans, House members, all of them need to come

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Speaker 2: together and get in a room and let's duke this out.

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Speaker 1: Let's fix it.

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Speaker 3: It's making us reevaluate leaving the corporate world. If we

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Speaker 3: had to go back to corporate America because we can't

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Speaker 3: afford access to healthcare, not even healthcare, just access to healthcare,

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Speaker 3: that would be a shame.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 5: I hate this topic. It's so annoying, and of lies,

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Speaker 5: it's incredibly complicated.

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Speaker 4: Some aspects of it are yeah, yeah, definitely. Well the

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Speaker 4: whole it's just oh yeah, oh my god. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 4: the how discouraging it is that gets to me. Because

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Speaker 4: when you're talking about Obamacare and the subsidies and the

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Speaker 4: current debate going on and blah blah blah, if anybody

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Speaker 4: had any good faith desire to figure out what's working

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Speaker 4: and what's not and what's a good expenditure of people's

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Speaker 4: tax dollars. We wouldn't be anywhere close to what we're

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Speaker 4: dealing with right now. It's it's an obscenely dysfunctional program.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna play the role of mean conservative. I

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Speaker 5: don't believe healthcare is a right. I'm fine with it

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Speaker 5: being tied to employment. Get out there and get a

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Speaker 5: freaking job that gives you health care. That'd be my message.

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Speaker 5: And so we always end up having these non stop

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Speaker 5: conversations about a tiny percentage of people.

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Speaker 4: So I reached out to Craig Gottwalls. He's our healthcare experty,

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Speaker 4: is a healthcare expert.

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Speaker 5: He is one of the best that exists, and he

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Speaker 5: can help your company with its healthcare costs. We shall

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Speaker 5: probably hit you with a website or something, since Craig

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Speaker 5: went to all this work.

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Speaker 1: But I said, how many people are we even talking

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Speaker 1: about here?

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Speaker 5: About twenty two million people that are getting the subsidies

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Speaker 5: that we're talking about here, they're going to have their

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Speaker 5: premiums go up compared to, for instance, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty five million people that got a job that has healthcare.

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Speaker 5: That's the vast majority of us out there. And then

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Speaker 5: if you're either poor or older. You got another seventy

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Speaker 5: seven million on Medicaid and sixty nine million on Medicare.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Then you get down to that twenty two million new

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Speaker 4: subdies that are going to go up. Now, if Obamacare

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Speaker 4: had worked the way it was sold to, let me

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Speaker 4: throw in their temporary COVID subsidies are going to be reduced,

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Speaker 4: right and go back to the original ones couple of years.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, it looks to me, if I understand

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Speaker 5: this right, maybe we ought to have Craig on in

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Speaker 5: the coming weeks, probably in the new year, because this

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Speaker 5: is going to be like the big topic for Congress

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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the year. It looks to me

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Speaker 5: like COVID came along at an opportune time with these

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Speaker 5: subsidies and everything like that, and covered up all kinds

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Speaker 5: of price explosions that we're going to hit and we're

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Speaker 5: going to have this conversation anyway, and that kind of

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Speaker 5: got masked by COVID and the government stepping into helping

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Speaker 5: the downtrodden. If Obamacare had worked the way it was

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Speaker 5: supposed to, says Craig, these extra subsidies should be unnecessary

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Speaker 5: by now. The promise was that any lists all these

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Speaker 5: different things that were supposed to happen, then the market

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Speaker 5: was going to stabilize at an affordable level, so you

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Speaker 5: wouldn't have needed any of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, that never happened.

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Speaker 5: Instead, the ACA rules that's Obamacare, drove individual market premiums

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Speaker 5: sharply higher, guaranteed blah.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: So the pandemic era enhanced subseaes didn't fix the underlying pricing.

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Speaker 5: They just threw more federal money at the higher premiums

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Speaker 5: so people wouldn't feel the full hit. So that kind

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Speaker 5: of masked everything during COVID and now.

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Speaker 4: All being borrowed at increasingly high interest rates. Yes, we

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Speaker 4: are spending money. We don't have to do what we're

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Speaker 1: So the current.

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Speaker 5: Outcry isn't because Obamacare succeeded and now we're cruelly rolling

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Speaker 5: back a core feature.

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Speaker 1: It's almost the exact opposite.

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Speaker 4: Obamacare helped inflate the sticker price of individual coverage, and

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Speaker 4: now that the temporary they were supposed to be temporary,

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Speaker 4: and everybody, including many Republicans, now are looking at making

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Speaker 4: them permanent. Are scheduled to go away, the underlying cost

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Speaker 4: problem is exposed again.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, And.

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Speaker 5: The news today in the Wall Street Journal is that

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Speaker 5: there are a lot of Republicans that aren't comfortable with

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Speaker 5: allowing these premiums to go back to what they were

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Speaker 5: supposed to be because you know, you're the party of

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Speaker 5: the working class and all that, and it's so easy

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Speaker 5: to demogogue.

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Speaker 4: Just listen to Chuck Schumer's messaging about this. The poor

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Speaker 4: are gonna lose their healthcare thanks to the Republicans, and

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Speaker 4: a right, sure, yeah, a lot of people believe that crap,

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Speaker 4: and when instead the conversation ought to be as it

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Speaker 4: is like among you know, Craig and people who know

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Speaker 4: what they're talking about. Holy cow, the hilariously named Affordable

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Speaker 4: Care Act. That's a six hundred pound guy who calls

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Speaker 4: himself tiny. The hilariously named Affordable Care Act is a disaster.

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Speaker 4: It was fraud to begin with and is worse than

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Speaker 4: anybody thought.

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Speaker 1: You either like this system or you don't.

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Speaker 4: I took jobs bad job, I mean bad bad is

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Speaker 4: a bad U quote bad jobs. They didn't pay that

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Speaker 4: well and I hated the work, but they provided healthcare.

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Speaker 5: I worked a number of bad jobs when I was young,

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Speaker 5: so I would have health insurance because I remember my

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Speaker 5: dad telling name when I was like eighteen years old.

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Speaker 5: He said, you step off a curbram, break your ankle,

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Speaker 5: you go bankrupt if you don't have health insurance. So

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Speaker 5: I always made sure I had health insurance, and I

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Speaker 5: worked some crappy jobs to make sure I did. But

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Speaker 5: a lot of people think that's a horror that.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that way.

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Speaker 5: You shouldn't have to do anything, and for whatever reason

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Speaker 5: you aren't working currently, there should be some sort of

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Speaker 5: affordable health insurance for you.

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Speaker 1: And you either believe health insurance is a writer you don't.

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Speaker 4: Before you fire off an angry email, let me just

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Speaker 4: step in and say I disagree with Jack. It's the

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Speaker 4: nature of the economy has changed. Gig work that sort

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Speaker 4: of thing. A lot of employers don't offer healthcare benefits.

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Speaker 4: We need a system in addition to employee sponsored healthcare plans.

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Speaker 4: Well they don't anymore since we came up with a

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Speaker 4: plan where you don't necessarily have to if we don't

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Speaker 4: know how many companies would have been offering insurance if

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Speaker 4: we had to continue down the same road. Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: got a chicken and egg thing going on. Yeah, they

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Speaker 4: feed into each other, no doubt. But putting aside you're

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Speaker 4: angry oversimplified red meat hurling screen we've got now sucks.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work. It's a bucket with holes in it.

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Speaker 4: You fill it at the well, you walk down the

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Speaker 4: street and the water polls out on the street. Stop

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Speaker 4: saying it's a bucket, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's a sieve.

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Speaker 5: Well before Able Care Act is terrible. You always have

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Speaker 5: to go back to the goal. Then it all makes sense.

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Speaker 5: If you remember the goal, it all makes sense. The

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Speaker 5: goal is for it to get more expensive and crazier

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Speaker 5: and more maddening and more confusing to where enough people

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Speaker 5: say government health care for everybody, my single pair system,

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Speaker 5: and then that and then.

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Speaker 1: We're done, right right, that's the goal.

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Speaker 4: And the Republican Party isn't clever enough, or you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe the mountain is too steep to climb, but they

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Speaker 4: are not clever enough to let the American people know

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Speaker 4: what they need to know, which is that the system

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Speaker 4: doesn't work. It needs seriously to be reformed. Their pockets

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Speaker 4: are being lined by the insurance giants, which are getting crazy,

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Speaker 4: crazy rich on this we've had the stories for you

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Speaker 4: recently of the the hundreds of thousand millions I can't

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Speaker 4: even remember of accounts that were created, and then that

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Speaker 4: person never asked for any healthcare of any sort. Well,

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Speaker 4: that's because those accounts are being opened on their behalf.

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Speaker 1: They don't even know they exist.

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Speaker 4: But the giant subsidies are being paid to the insurance

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Speaker 4: companies for instance.

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Speaker 5: It's just I don't know, Wall, you gotta admit the

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Speaker 5: I think the uh, the the whole notion of healthcare

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Speaker 5: is and tied to employment.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people find that horrific. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but a lot what that number is. But that's the

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Speaker 4: way it was forever.

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Speaker 5: I worked part time jobs that gave me health care

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Speaker 5: because to get me.

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Speaker 1: To work there they had to at that time.

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Speaker 4: You don't have that tore, Yeah, yeah, I just I

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Speaker 4: think it's that market for labor's changed a lot since then.

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Speaker 4: But you know, we're an outlier, and the whole employer

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Speaker 4: based healthcare thing is outliar internationally, and it's as you know,

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Speaker 4: a vestige of you know, unions that were prevented from

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Speaker 4: getting price or wage increases during various you know, wage

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Speaker 4: you can't give us more wages. How much you pay

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Speaker 4: for our doctor bills? And that's just metastasized. But you know,

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Speaker 4: whether that's the right system or not, we can argue

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Speaker 4: about another time. But again, nobody would unless they were

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Speaker 4: And yet we act like any even tweaked to it,

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Speaker 1: I just I give up on self governance. We need

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Speaker 1: a king. Can we just get to the bottom line?

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Speaker 1: We need a king.

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Speaker 4: Well, that number I gave you the vast majority of

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Speaker 4: people having healthcare through their employers.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder what that percentage will be in twenty years.

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Speaker 4: to females.

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00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: So in those speed.

443
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 5: Mating access is not the sexiest urnament I know, I know,

444
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: I know.

445
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: Males are so in these species, the polyamorous ones. Males

446
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more muscular

447
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth the

448
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: better to slash an opponent with Male baboons, for example,

449
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: have twice the body weight in canine length of the females.

450
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: They are literally twice as big as the females. Such

451
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 4: primates are often called, for good reason tournament species.

452
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 5: Ooh, tournament species. Males in these bigger canine teeth. Could

453
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Speaker 5: I get those?

454
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Speaker 1: Implanet? Oh absolutely you could?

455
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456
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Speaker 1: Good luck returning it.

457
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: So, males in these species have higher metabolic rates in

458
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: shorter lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero

459
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: effort into caring for kids. In other words, all the

460
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: female gets is the male's genes, and the females select

461
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: for males with good genes period, which has led to

462
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: the evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that

463
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 4: advertise good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair,

464
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: silver backs. They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their

465
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Speaker 4: beautiful feathers.

466
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Speaker 5: I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me.

467
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: Because bright red when I get mad, right right, ooh,

468
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: he's sexy. Look how angry he is now.

469
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: Because the fertile females will mate with multi to pull males,

470
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 4: tisk tisk, male mail competition extends to sperm competition. So

471
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: by primate standards, polygamous male primates have large testes as

472
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 4: a percentage of body weight and high sperm production.

473
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Speaker 1: And they will happily.

474
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Speaker 4: Yeah actually, and they'll happily mate with anyone in the

475
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Speaker 4: county who is ovulating. So they walk around with their

476
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: long incisors, their huge size.

477
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Speaker 1: They're big balls. The rest of it.

478
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 4: Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates, who's ovulating them

479
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: ready for a mating episode. Critically, the males do much

480
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: of the infant care. Thus you don't see a male

481
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: indiscriminately mating left and right, or fighting others for a

482
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Speaker 4: chance to do so, since he'll be doing a lot

483
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Speaker 4: of work.

484
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Speaker 1: If there's a child, I gotta stack a laundry.

485
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe he'll be raising a family in these primates,

486
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: there isn't a high degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge

487
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Speaker 4: different in body sized, musculature, metabolism, and lifespan, and males

488
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: don't have those garish secondary sexual characteristics like the polygamous

489
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low mating infrequent,

490
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Speaker 4: and these profiles are consistent.

491
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Speaker 1: If ten seconds into.

492
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Speaker 4: Watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you see

493
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Speaker 4: that the males are twice the size of females and

494
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Speaker 4: have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled.

495
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Speaker 1: It's a polygamous species.

496
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Speaker 4: If you can't, if it takes a minute to tell

497
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Speaker 4: the difference between the sexes, they're monogamous.

498
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Speaker 5: Well, what I think is, did this just both ways

499
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 5: worked evolutionarily speaking, and.

500
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Could have gone either way? It just went one way

501
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: for one reason. Or is it that particular animal that

502
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Speaker 1: way better than the other way.

503
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Speaker 4: Don't know enough to answer that question, but it's a

504
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Speaker 4: good one.

505
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Speaker 5: I set a super super into evolutionary stuff and watches

506
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 5: gazillions of videos about it, and I have learned from

507
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 5: him that it's not near you'd think, after all these

508
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 5: gazillions of years, we'd like really perfected it. There's a

509
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 5: lot of luck involved in some ways, there's two ways.

510
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 5: Sometimes there's two ways to get to the same point,

511
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 5: and this way is as good as that way.

512
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Speaker 4: So human beings, you know, in one part, a different

513
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 4: human species did it this way, and this human species

514
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: did it this way, not for any particular reason, just

515
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 4: kind of worked out that way. Yeah, So let's bring

516
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: it home to humans now. So you get your polygamous

517
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: with their big incisors and their huge size and their

518
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: short life spans the rest of it. Then you got

519
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 4: the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to tell apart, blah

520
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: blah blah. So by these various biological measures, are human

521
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither Across populations,

522
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty percent heavier

523
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: than women. We need twenty percent more calories and live

524
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than monogamous species,

525
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 4: less than polygamous species, or over compared with say, monogamous

526
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top human

527
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but pale

528
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: in comparison to polygamous chimps.

529
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Measure after measure, it's the same.

530
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Speaker 4: Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature,

531
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Speaker 4: as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we

532
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between.

533
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Speaker 5: Well, we have because we have the ability to think

534
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Speaker 5: and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or

535
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537
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538
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Speaker 4: comes to, you know, having sex with another monkey.

539
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Speaker 1: They should, but they don't.

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Speaker 1: What ever? Shut up? Yeah, you know what?

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Speaker 1: Some radical professor.

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Speaker 4: It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as much as

572
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Speaker 4: you think it exists. There chum anyway, So really interesting

573
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Speaker 4: demographic data is coming out. We've talked about it before

574
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Speaker 4: about women's changing expectations and politics and desire to get

575
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Speaker 4: married and desire to have kids and that sort of thing.

576
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: And as we mentioned yesterday, I think it was men,

577
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: particularly conservative men, are as interested in having children as

578
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 4: they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement, but certainly

579
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Speaker 4: compared to like twenty thirty years ago.

580
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Speaker 1: They are absolutely young.

581
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Speaker 4: Men are interested in it, and women are way less interested.

582
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Speaker 4: And the more liberal they are, the interested they are

583
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Speaker 4: in having children. And there's this imbalanced mismatch between men

584
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: and women and their desire to get coupled and have

585
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: children that sort of thing. And nobody knows where this

586
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: is going, or if it's going to be a long

587
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: term trend or whatever. The gaps among liberal women are

588
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: just crazy. They've changed completely in twenty years thirty years

589
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: in their attitudes. What seems to be changing is women's expectations,

590
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: and the likely culprit is men's prospects rights.

591
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Who is this?

592
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: She writes really well Emily Joshinsky for The Washington Post.

593
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: Do we have time for this?

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Speaker 1: Ladies?

595
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: You need to find one of those tournament dudes with

596
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: the really big testicles.

597
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: Wow wow, Okay, great historical data shows that when men's

598
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: educational economic outcomes decline, it is women without a college

599
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: degree who experienced the sharpest declines in marriage rates. And

600
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: women's perceived appeal as marriage partners is not declining, but

601
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: men's is. And what Emily brings home And maybe when

602
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: we have more time, we'll talk about this at greater length.

603
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: But she goes into the whole war on boys in schools,

604
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: the de industrialization efforts to make schools just custom made

605
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: for girls and act like boys are unhealthy, And I

606
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: love this last part. The trend line of women reporting

607
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: a declining desire to marry me indeed reflect pessimism about

608
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: their prospects, rather than the institution itself, and not for

609
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: ideological reasons so much as crack practical ones.

610
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Speaker 1: If the last several.

611
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Speaker 4: Decades have taught us anything about the battle of the sexes,

612
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: we should remember that the war on boys is also

613
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: a war on girls.

614
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I have more to say about that,

615
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Speaker 5: because I know a lot of women who talk about

616
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: the poor pickings out there for dudes. You know, this

617
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: is portrayed as women don't want to get married. Okay,

618
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 5: maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who

619
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Speaker 5: live with their parents and play video games all day

620
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Speaker 5: and who have been systematically emasculated by you and the

621
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Speaker 5: schools you designed.

622
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a complicated mix. And amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: nice job. The war on boys is a war on girls.

624
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Speaker 4: My band is going to be my rock band, My

625
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Speaker 4: heavy rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles.

626
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Speaker 4: That'd be a good name for a base I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover,

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Speaker 4: I'm not coming. You got to see the logo.

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Speaker 1: All right? Stay here.

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Speaker 5: Oh we're having an off air conversation about the last topic.

631
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Speaker 5: And I used the term orchidometer, and Katie you looked

632
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Speaker 5: surprised that I knew the term for the instrument one

633
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: uses to measure.

634
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Speaker 1: The size of testicles. Do you know why I know that? Why,

635
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Speaker 1: Joe and I know that because you guys have measured

636
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: your testicles. I don't know. No, I have not, and

637
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: I never think about mine in the magnificent as related

638
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Speaker 1: to other people.

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Speaker 4: I've never thought about it for a second. No, When

640
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Speaker 4: one of the world's greatest baseball players all time Barry

641
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: Bonds was why was he in legal trouble about the

642
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: steroids thing? Anyway, they measured his testicles with the instrument

643
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Speaker 4: you use, apparently an orchanometer, to try to determine whether

644
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Speaker 4: his testicles had gotten smaller, which would have been evidence

645
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: that he was using human growth hormone or steroids or

646
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Speaker 4: whatever to uh.

647
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 5: Have an advantage in baseball. He was actual part of

648
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Speaker 5: the legal case.

649
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Speaker 1: And the fans start to chant.

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Speaker 4: Barry right right, So just always remembered the name of

651
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Speaker 4: that particular piece of equipment that I wouldn't think you'd.

652
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Speaker 1: Need very often crucial information to have.

653
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Speaker 4: Well, let's see you need it very much or you

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Speaker 4: don't need it at all. It's not like a Phillips

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Speaker 4: screwdriver comes in hand a lot. He's gonna need one eventually.

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Speaker 1: It's not coming handy a lot.

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Speaker 4: Armstrong and getting on demand wherever you like to get podcasts.

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Speaker 4: And indeed, if you get a chance, give us a

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Speaker 4: glowing review, because then the algorithms do a better job

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Speaker 4: our brand of I would like to think fairly common

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Speaker 4: sense of coal, fervent patriotism, and reasonableness might become more

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Speaker 4: common in America instead of less. Anyway, so I brought

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Speaker 4: Oh wait a second, did I finish my sentence slippery?

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Speaker 1: Why? I'm gonna pay that off an hour four?

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Speaker 4: Okay, science thinks they finally know why ice is slippery?

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Speaker 1: Fascinating.

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Speaker 5: I mentioned that Disney is going to allow open Ai

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Speaker 5: to use their characters in chat GPT.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the rest of that headline.

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Speaker 5: Is Disney to invest one billion dollars in open Ai

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Speaker 5: and license characters for use chat GPT. This is a

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Speaker 5: other day. Sam all And had decided we're not making

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Speaker 5: to focus on chat GPT for a while. That's where

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Speaker 5: This is a big step that direction, with Disney saying, hey,

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Speaker 5: you can use all our characters. People can go online

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Speaker 5: Disney characters. We're not going to sue you. And here's

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Speaker 4: Big leg up there. They're feeling Google catching up behind them,

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Speaker 4: and we're really worried about it.

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Speaker 5: As the race to destroy humanity continues. Now, apparently a

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Speaker 5: lot of people Google was allowing people to use Disney

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Speaker 5: or get him to stop. I'm interesting to watch how

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Speaker 5: this works over time, whether it's music or images or whatever,

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Speaker 5: or written stuff. I mean, that's like impossible to police, right, right,

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Speaker 5: It's going to be very hard to hold on to

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Speaker 1: Damn near impossible.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, like Joe mentioned, we do a lot of

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Speaker 4: different hours and different segments. If you miss any, you

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Speaker 4: can find it in the podcast Armstrong and Getty on

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty