1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: When people are talking, if they're talking about my career, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: it's that I understood when there. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Was consumer shifts. 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: I think I understood what life was about at twelve, 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: and I wasn't willing to listen to any grown up 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: that wasn't my mom telling me that I was in shit. 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 3: Your family in New Jersey had a liquor brand. You 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 3: took it from like a three million dollar business to 9 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 3: sixty five million. 10 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I was early in understanding the power of personal brand 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: as a business leverage. 12 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: And I knew the Internet was a big one, and 13 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: I bet the farm on it. 14 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 4: Did you ever have a moment of doubt? 15 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Doubt doesn't scare me. I'm not scared to lose my reputation. 16 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm not scared to be judged by other people. When 17 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: you're not scared, you're dangerous. 18 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: What's up, guys, it's Kate Max and today I'm chatting 19 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: with entrepreneur, investor, and social media pioneer Gary Vaynerchuk on 20 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: Post Run High. 21 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere. 22 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: We will be right back after this shortbreak, Gary Vee, 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: Welcome to Post run High. 24 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me post walk Hi today. 25 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: Yes, post walk so Gary and I just went for 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: a stroll on the high Line. I haven't walked on 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: the high Line in probably years. 28 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm glad we go. 29 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: So it was special good, although it was kind of 30 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: bummed we didn't see the big pigeon statue. 31 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was to the side. 32 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: I knew when you said it, but I wanted to 33 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: make you told me to go tight on those answers. 34 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want to sidetrack and tell you were to 35 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: pitch it. 36 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: No, you were. 37 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: You were very tight on the answers. And I know 38 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: you're typically like a long winded yes. 39 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: So I like a good, deep, contextual answer, so I'm 40 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: trying to keep a little tight there. 41 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 4: Well, you can go as deep as you want today. 42 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Okay, thank god. 43 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: So we got to start out by talking a little 44 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: bit about fitness just because of the purpose of what 45 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: we just did. We just went for a walk. Normally 46 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: we go for a run, but Gary would not run 47 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: with me today. 48 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: Guys, No, guys, I really suck at running. Actually, it's 49 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: actually one of the biggest important things I'm thinking about. 50 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I think I have a fundamental foot issue, which is 51 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: by the way, the feet is like it's a big 52 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: deal to like your overall health, like it's actually a 53 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: big thing in my life right now. So I tour 54 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: him fifty and eleven days at thirty eight and a half, 55 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: which is fun to say because usually say half when 56 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: you're like twelve, not even. 57 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: Six six and thirty eight and a hop. 58 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: But at thirty eight and a half, I started getting 59 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: serious about my health and wellness and got a full 60 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: time trainer, change my eating habits and have done so 61 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: much incredible work and like one of the final frontiers 62 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: for me, and there's never a final, but I'm really 63 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: excited about like really attacking my feet. 64 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: What's wrong with your feet? 65 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, but there is. 66 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Something really fundamental that like running. I do a lot 67 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: of things, especially because I had no muscles in my body, 68 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: had never worked out when I was thirty eight and 69 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: started going through my journey and persevered through a lot 70 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: of things that were incredibly painful, QL issues, lots of stuff. 71 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: But running is like really hard for me. 72 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, I had to learn this because I've torn my 73 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: acl twice and every time I've torn it, you kind 74 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: of have to relearn how to after a series or 75 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: you relearn how to walk and then how to run, 76 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: and like running is the thing that you can get 77 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: to last. 78 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: And that's because every stride that. 79 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: You take, like when you're kind of pushing forward, your 80 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: entire body weight is on those muscles on that side 81 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: of your body and those ligaments and bones. 82 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: So it's just like the most kind of intense. 83 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: Full body workout because it's like a full body pounding 84 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: on each side of the body every time you strive. 85 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: It's definitely like something. 86 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: Definitely musicians listening were like, she butchered that answer, but true, Yeah, it's. 87 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: Fine, I'm sure. 88 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: But like I can tell you one thing, I'm very 89 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: like self aware, like I'm very in tune with my body. 90 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Like running is a real challenge that I genuinely, actually 91 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: weirdly want to figure out. I'm very coordinated for my 92 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: waist up, but you know, a good hand eye coordination 93 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: waist down, like I'm not a soccer guy. Skateboard, surfing, 94 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: running all incredibly challenging for me, and I'm excited to 95 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of tackle that in the next half century. 96 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: Okay, well, then when you start tackling that, call me 97 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: because we're gonna go for a run. 98 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: Fair, Okay, I'm sure. I promise I'll make you look good. 99 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: Honestly, I want to earn looking good, Okay, I don't 100 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: need the post edit like I'm gonna put in the 101 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: work to look good. 102 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: Okay. 103 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: Well, why thirty eight eight and a half did you 104 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: have this this change of heart and want it's get 105 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: into working out? 106 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: I think that it was probably in my mind, like 107 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, probably from twenty five to thirty five, maybe 108 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: twenty seven to thirty eight, you know, my genetics no 109 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: longer carried me right, started putting on weight kind of 110 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: just you know, had you know, started like even little 111 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: things like my daughter was probably four at the time, 112 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: and just like carrying her for five blocks or ten 113 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: blocks in the city was like way harder than needed 114 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: to be. And more importantly, it just became logical to 115 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: me that if I didn't take care of my health 116 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: that that was going to not work out. Like it 117 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: wasn't super complicated, like if you don't do the right 118 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: things in anything in your relationships, in business and health 119 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: and wellness, like you will lose. 120 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: And I guess thirty. 121 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: Eight and a half was I remember it actually very vividly. 122 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Was I was literally like this, I was in a 123 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: seat on an airplane like this, and by the way, 124 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: didn't feel bad or weird or anything like. 125 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: It was not like something had happened. 126 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: I was just on a flight from Houston to New 127 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: York and I put my head on the window and 128 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, because it must have been 129 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: a combo I've been having with myself for a while. 130 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: At that point, I said, you know what, I'm going 131 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: to address this on my fortieth birthday. I'm going to 132 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: hire a full time trainer to shadow me. I'd figured 133 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: out that year that I was very accountable to others, 134 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: not myself. I don't compete with myself. That's another thing 135 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: with running that didn't go my way. I don't want 136 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: to beat my best time. 137 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: No. Yeah, but I also feel like it's it's like 138 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: taking your own advice, right. That's a hard thing for everybody, right, 139 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: So it's like it's so easy to be a motivational peron. 140 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: I feel the same way sometimes, where I'm like, I 141 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: will be the first friend to be like to give 142 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: my friend advice on working out or what they should 143 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: be eating, and then I'm also the first person to 144 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: not be following those kind of guidelines, right. 145 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: So it's a constant reason and. 146 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: For me in the things I talk about like work 147 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: and mentality. I was living that life, but I was 148 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: aware that I wasn't living that life in health and wellness. 149 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I was definitely not telling people like get your health up. 150 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: That never came out of it still doesn't come out 151 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: of my mouth. It's not what I talk about. But 152 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: I knew it was a huge vulnerability. It was just 153 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: basic common sense. I'm like, wow, I am not going 154 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: to be a healthy sixty year old. I prefer to 155 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: live to ninety five one hundred. This needs to change. 156 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: Head on the window. Oh wait a minute. I think 157 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: if someone baby sits me and I'm accountable to them, 158 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: that will work for me. By the time I land 159 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: in New York, I went from forty to thirty nine. 160 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: I was like, why am I gonna wait to forty? 161 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: Let me do it on my thirty ninth birthday. By 162 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: the time I landed, I'm like, why am I waiting 163 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: six months? Let me do it now. I called Mike Vicanti. 164 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: My last trainer that I had for six months was 165 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: supposed to have one hundred sessions in six months or 166 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: whatever to math was, and. 167 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: I had five literally five. 168 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: I literally canceled thirty nine times and I did four 169 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: or five, I called him and said, Mike, I'm looking 170 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: for someone full time because he had a lot of clients. 171 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Do you know anyone young like you who can like 172 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: just have me as a client and fly to Peru 173 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: and Toronto and La and take red Eyes and like 174 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: just every day with me? 175 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: And he goes, well what about me? 176 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 1: I go, you can do that, and he's like, yeah, 177 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: most of my coaching is online. I don't have that 178 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: many clients in the city. And literally a week later 179 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: we started. I worked out with Mike this morning. 180 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: Wow. 181 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Virtually he moved to Minnesota to start his family during COVID. 182 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: But what do your virtual workouts look like? 183 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: Today was a stretchday because this weekend was crazy. 184 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: I went, hey, I'm on I did lower body and 185 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: upper body, so I did some nice muscle work. 186 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: But you guys are like on Zoom calls working out out. 187 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: To be honest, you know, it's so weird. Until this year, 188 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: I have not been able to do virtual workouts, and 189 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: now I like swear by them. And I don't know 190 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: if it's just that I've gotten more comfortable or more 191 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: into social media and being like digitally online that I feel. 192 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I. 193 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: Will say when Mike comes in, which is every several 194 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: weeks or every month at least, I do think it's 195 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: a better workout in person. 196 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: I do. 197 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I can like cut corners when he's 198 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: on zoom. I feel like he can see, like when 199 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm working out with him physically, he's like, move your 200 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: shoulder back a little bit. 201 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: That happens less on zoom. 202 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: So for anyone who's listening, I do believe it is 203 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: a better workout in person. I just also think doing 204 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: virtual with Mike is better than not. And obviously I 205 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: could get another person, but I love working out with 206 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Mike and we're in a good place, and so that's 207 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: where I'm at. 208 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: Okay, So when we were in your office, guys, in 209 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: our walking interview, we did a little tour of Gary's office. 210 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: You were pointing out some of the wrestling figurines WWE. Right, 211 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: So were you a wrestler growing up? Like, did you wrestle? 212 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: Did you play sports as a kid? 213 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrestled. I like beat the shit out of 214 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Like I'm very good at fighting. I 215 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: got into a lot of fights as a. 216 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: Kid, like recreational fights. 217 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: No, No, I mean like odd weinstock. If you're watching, 218 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: you know what happened at Marco's Hill, Like real talk, 219 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm an eighties lower income Jersey boy. Like we 220 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: fought like I wrestled a ton, Eric Godfrey, Robbie Turneck, 221 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: Andy Greco, we reenacted Camel clutch full Nelson figure four 222 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: like really stuff, They're like kids, we should have gotten 223 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: much more hurt. Like I said this the other day 224 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: on a zoom or like a live stream. We like 225 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: did something called war in second and third grade where 226 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: we literally threw full. 227 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: Pledge rocks at each other's heads. 228 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: Stop yeah, I don't like, I know, I'm really enjoying 229 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: this because I know there's people that grew up in 230 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: the seventies, eighties and nineties that are laughing right now 231 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: because like like straight up like stick to stick, like 232 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: hitting each other's heart brot, Like like I don't know, 233 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: we were crazy. 234 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: So yes, I did a lot of that. 235 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: I played a ton of recreational like after school sports, 236 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: and I played a lot of tennis organized as a 237 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: kid baseball. 238 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: Hold on, you have kids, Can you imagine in one 239 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: of your kids coming home from school and being like, yeah, 240 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: this kid was throwing rocks at my head at recess. 241 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: I'd be like, kick that kid out of school. 242 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: I could, in a real way, I would say we're 243 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: recruiting him to Vader Media. 244 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: That guy's got balls, in a real way, in a 245 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: real way, Like I'm not bullshitting you, like I wish 246 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: people like watch me in my real life. Like I 247 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: I think kids have gotten overcoddled. I think we've gone 248 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: away from resilience and adaptability. I see a lot of 249 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: you behind the cameras shaking your head right now. I 250 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: think you know a lot of your friends that are 251 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: dealing with depression and anxiety are the byproduct of parents 252 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: over coddling and taking care of too much. I also 253 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: don't think we need to swing back to the fucking 254 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, and like, I don't think like kids 255 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: should be I'm not advocating for like parents to go outside, 256 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: grab a fucking vein from a tree and hit their 257 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: kids with a switch, or the way I grew up 258 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: where there was a belt in the house. 259 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, sometimes kids do need a 260 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: little bit of tough love. We're we're not out here 261 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: trying to be BFFs with our kids, right I. 262 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Would argue that almost every parent is trying to be 263 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: a bff with their kids. I would argue that almost 264 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: every contemporary parent right now is over indexing, wanting to 265 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: be the kid's friend instead of being friendly. 266 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: And I think a lot. 267 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Of today's world issues people want to blame on social 268 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: media and other things, and I think it's that we 269 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: lost our way in contemporary parenting. 270 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: I really believe that. 271 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I think it's a conversation that needs to be which 272 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: is why I'm bringing it up right now. If my 273 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: son came home and said, holy crap, like you know, 274 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: let me think of his friends Antonello threw a rock 275 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: and hit me in the head, I'd be like, what 276 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: you do? I wouldn't think about calling the school and 277 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: be like calling Antonello's mom. 278 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like fucking parent on parent crime. I can't 279 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: like the thought. 280 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Like in fact, Robbie Turneck's mom, eleanor may she rest 281 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: in peace, not only would not call my mom, she 282 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: would smack me. Back in the day, it was like 283 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: neighborhood parenting, like all my friend's parents were my parents. 284 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: I think we need to get some of it back. 285 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: I think everything is purple. I don't want red. I 286 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: don't want blue. We need to be purple. But I 287 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: think we're fully blue and modern parenting and need a tweak. 288 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: It's interesting that you're saying this too, because you grew 289 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: up with immigrant parents, and that is like a unique experience, right. 290 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: I've interviewed a lot of people on this show that 291 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: come from immigrant backgrounds, immigrant households, So like, what would 292 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: you say your household was like when you were a kid, 293 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: and how was maybe success defined? 294 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: It's just crazy what your question just? I wish ai, 295 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: I wish I could swallow an ai pill right now 296 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: and everybody could just hear what's happening inside my body 297 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: right now. The answer to your question is unequivocally fucking awesomeness. 298 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: What was happening in my home? The best thing you 299 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: could ever ask a mother who had uncanny levels of love, 300 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: self esteem building to the max, not grounded in delusion. 301 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: She didn't say it could be anything and could do anything. 302 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: She just championed when I did things well, and she 303 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: held me accountable when I didn't. So this unconditional love, 304 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: my mom telling me that, like so many wonderful things, 305 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Yet it didn't even cross my mind to I was 306 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: scared to even think about disrespecting my mom with the 307 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: fear that she would know that I was thinking it 308 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: and she would smack the fuck out of me. The 309 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: byproduct of a woman who created unlimited love and joy 310 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: and rainbows and sunshine while commanded respect that didn't even 311 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: need to be set, which then created a framework for 312 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: me to respect everyone and everything. 313 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: It was. 314 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate. You know, success was defined by humanity. 315 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: So I got bad grades. I just showed you. My 316 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: mom grounded me every marking period from fourth grade to 317 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: the senior year of high school. I was punished like clockwork, 318 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: you know how we just turned back the clock the 319 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: other day. Literally, progress report report card grounded two weeks, 320 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: no phone, no video games, no friends, no TV, like 321 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: as if I was on some weird program, like literally 322 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: like clockwork, like start a school year, Yay, football's back, 323 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: get to see my friends. A couple of weeks later, 324 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: start to get depressed because progress reports are coming soon. 325 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: And literally, I don't know if anybody grew up in 326 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: Jersey and had this on progress There was a checkbox 327 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: there that was in danger of failing. 328 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: Okay, but that was my nickname Gary. In danger of 329 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: failing vainer check. 330 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: Okay, but my question is you were constantly getting bad 331 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 3: grades and you have a mom that's grounding you as 332 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: a result of your bad grades. 333 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: Yes, why couldn't you just get it together? 334 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: Because I needed every minute that I wasn't grounded and 335 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: was in school to focus on what I wanted to 336 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: focus on, which was selling baseball cards to my friends. 337 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: Okay, so you were a little schemer in school. 338 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: I was a salesman. I was a businessman. 339 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: I was. 340 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't think of it as schemer. I think of 341 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: it as I was enlightened. I think I understood what 342 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: life was about at twelve, at eleven, at thirteen, and 343 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: I didn't give a fuck that missus stat said to 344 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: me that I was going to be a loser in life. 345 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: I knew that I wasn't. 346 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was really hard for me to believe 347 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: them when anything that was based on merit, how people 348 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: interacted with me, and how I did at baseball card 349 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: shows or at commerce environments told me I was great. 350 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: I believed that over getting a D because I didn't 351 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: read Catcher and the Rye, and I didn't have time 352 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: to read Catcher and the Rye because when I got home, 353 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: I had to price my cards because I had a show, 354 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: or I had to read the Wine Spectator because I 355 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: wanted to help my dad's liquor store. Like I just 356 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: knew what I wanted to do, and I wasn't willing 357 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: to listen to any grown up that wasn't my mom 358 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: telling me that I wasn't shit. 359 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: I just did not believe them. 360 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: In the US, I feel like there should be more 361 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: trade schools, you know, Like it would have been coming 362 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: back to go to a trade school that was like 363 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: specific about like marketing and branding amester. 364 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: If I walked into fucking class and said and they said, 365 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: today we're going to learn why New Coke failed, I. 366 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: Would have got on a straight a. 367 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: By the way, I got bees in fucking history, something 368 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: I was interested in, I would even though I didn't do. 369 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: By the way, do you know that I literally didn't 370 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: do a single piece of homework in four years high school? 371 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: Like I didn't do homework. Every scantron I ever got 372 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: put in front of me, I put ABCBA BCBA BCA, 373 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: like I. 374 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: Did not care. 375 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: I knew, But if I to your point, if I 376 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: was interested, well then I could get good grade I 377 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: got good grades on tests in one class history why 378 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: because for an hour I paid attention and I remember 379 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Shanghai sheheck, or how the Germans did this, or why 380 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: Vietnam this, or why Kennedy beat Nixon on TV but 381 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: lost on radio because of the advent of like visualization, 382 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Like so, yeah, of course, you're absolutely right, Like, of 383 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: course if school was like about trading and like and 384 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: selling and business and marketing and how to do your taxes, 385 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and if it was about emotional intelligence, like if there 386 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: was true psychology classes in grammar school, like why we 387 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: fear or how to love or what self esteem is 388 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: based on? Yes, I would have gotten good grades. But 389 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: fucking remembering how many rings are on Saturn was not 390 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: it for Gary Vaynerchuk. But by the way, kudos to 391 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: people that it was, like, you're not going to fucking 392 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: NASA if that shit didn't get you going, And that's awesome. 393 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's actually a commonality and a lot 394 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: of successful people, even though you also have successful people 395 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: that get straight a's and whatever. 396 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: And that to that point, like there's people who were 397 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: okay at school, remarkable athletes, good enough at school or testing, 398 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: but then at Yale found their passion in the classroom, 399 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: or the reverse. There's people that go to Stanford who 400 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: like love the classroom, who like lose love of the 401 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: classroom because they found a startup the freshman year in Stanford. 402 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: So I just do not understand how people don't understand 403 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: that there's a million ways to live life. 404 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: Hopefully your success. 405 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Is deemed in happiness and joy and humanity, like my 406 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: world was straight A students are making money. The two 407 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: extremes in family of how success is defined both have vulnerabilities, 408 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: and that's where we're at. 409 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: But when you were living in a time where during 410 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties, when you were in high school, 411 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: and you were saying this earlier, but it was kind 412 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: of the thing to do was to get good grades, 413 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: you go to a good school, the only, the. 414 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 4: Only route, only route to success. 415 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: So I know you had a confidence in yourself where 416 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: you were like, well, I'm good at sales, Like I'm 417 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: going to be fine, yes, But did you ever have 418 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: a moment of doubt where you were like I'm lost. 419 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: No, Okay, I really did it, And like I don't 420 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: think that's cool. In fact, I wish I could say 421 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: in this podcast I did, but I'm not gonna bullshit you. 422 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: There was never a fucking time where I thought I 423 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: was in trouble, mainly because I'm not scared of zero 424 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: if you want to go into something interesting, I'm never 425 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: in a place of doubt because the downside of doubt 426 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: doesn't scare me. I'm not scared to lose all my money. 427 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm not scared to lose my reputation. I'm not scared 428 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: to be judged by other people. When you're not scared, 429 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: you're dangerous. And so I was very dangerous, Like I 430 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: just I'm just not scared of what most people are 431 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: scared of. 432 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 4: Have you always been that way? 433 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: Yes? You know, my fears came. 434 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: I was scared of like girls, Like I know, like 435 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: like I know what life is based on. Like I 436 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: had fear in like getting rejected by girls. So I 437 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: know what reject like in sales, what people are scared of. 438 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I know because as a kid, I 439 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: missed out on a lot of good opportunities because I 440 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: was just scared to like the amount of girls through 441 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: my life that were like why didn't you? I was like, fuck, like, 442 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: like I know what missed opportunity looks like. Through that, 443 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: I know what envy and looks like from being a 444 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: sports fan. My anger towards Patriot fans would stun you. 445 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I hate them so much, Like when I see somewhere 446 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: wear a Buffalo Bill's hat. 447 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: That would be like, you know, when people are. 448 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: Like prejudice and racist and like hate other religions. 449 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: That's how I am with sports. Like literally, if you 450 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: like that, if you were wearing a Bill's hat right. 451 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 4: Now, I would be upset with you. 452 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: So I understand what the feel like. 453 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: I cannot comprehend not liking someone because of gender, race, religion. 454 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: I can comprehend because I feel it because I do it. 455 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: Like I hate Steeler fans like I hate them. 456 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: I like, see them wear. 457 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: A Steelers thing and they're little fucking bullshit towels, and 458 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I fucking. 459 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: Hate you, and I mean it. 460 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: By the way, I know some people think I'm doing 461 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: a shtick right now or laughing or thinking I'm stupid, 462 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, in real life, I love everybody that has 463 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: a different religious pendant on their chest, skin color, gender, 464 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I think I'm smarter. I think it's way cooler to 465 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: love every one and think sports is a silly place 466 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: to feel that feeling. But I understand why people hate 467 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: because I do have envy and jealousy because my Jets 468 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: and Nicks make me mad, and I'm envious of the 469 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Boston fans they have so much winning. So I don't 470 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: feel envy and jealousy in other areas, but I feel 471 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: it in sports something I'm passionate about, and so I 472 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: can invoke those emotions. So I've been able to understand 473 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: people through different parts of my life. 474 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: But I've never had self doubt. I fucking knew, no, no, no. 475 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: I love that, you know what, You're allowed to get 476 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: a little competitive in the sports space. 477 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: I think that's a safe that's a safe space. 478 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: I think so like, yeah, if the world lived the 479 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: way that I And by the way, for everyone who's 480 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: listening who doesn't know me, everything good is because of 481 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: my parents. So I take no credit in this. They 482 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: made me New Jersey made me, immigration made me America 483 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: made me. 484 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: Is in Jersey such a great place to grow up, such. 485 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: A great place to grow up. It's great, I really do. 486 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: It is gritty, especially like if you're fortunate to be 487 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: like you know, listen, there's some bougie places in Jersey. 488 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: If you grew up in the hard streets of Coltsneck 489 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: and Alpine, you're not the same, you know, Like, but 490 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: by the way, there's great Like there's gritty people from 491 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: those bougie My favorite people are sometimes gritty people from 492 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: bougie environments because they fight. Like that's a tough one, right. 493 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: If you're born into a third generation, wealthy family with 494 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: a big last name and everybody just shits on you 495 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: because they're like, you got it easy. 496 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: You don't have it easy. 497 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: You have that pressure, you have that knowledge that no 498 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: one on earth is ever going to think that you 499 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: were good because it was handed to you like nepo 500 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: baby shit. 501 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Like that's tough. Like this is why I keep telling 502 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: everybody everybody has it tough. 503 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: I'm really gonna say that, Yeah, everybody has their shit, 504 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: So you really can't judge a book by the cover. 505 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 4: And uh, I don't know. 506 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: I think if you're mad at somebody because they're rich 507 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: and you feel like they have it easy, then check 508 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: yourself because you're being insecure over. 509 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: Something that you also have no idea how life actually works. Yeah, Like. 510 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: I think like most of the people that are most 511 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: unhappy that I know are wealthy, like like money is 512 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: the accelerator of your inner truth, not the changer of 513 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: your emotional realities. 514 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: Right. We just have to shout this out really quickly 515 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: because you were talking about being nervous with girls. 516 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: But you just married. 517 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 3: Mona recently here newlywed, and so congratulations. And I was 518 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: telling Gary before we started filming, but I actually met 519 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: Mona the other day at a seaguman Stable event shout 520 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: out to Eagleman Stable and we're a big fan of them, and. 521 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 4: She was lovely. So congratulations, and I also met your dog. 522 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. 523 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: Let's dive a little bit into life post high school 524 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: and post college. So your family in New Jersey had 525 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 3: a liquor brand, right, a liquor store, a liquor store, 526 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: and you went in and is it true that when 527 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: you got there and you made it kind of an 528 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: e commerce site, you took it from what like a 529 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: three million dollar business to point sixty five five million 530 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: in one year, No in five years, in five years. 531 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: So talk to us a little bit about the brand 532 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: that you grew up with, the store that you broke 533 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: grew up with, and what you turned it into. 534 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: And why Wine Library my whole career in hindsight, when 535 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm when I'm wrapping up, when people are talking, if 536 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: they're talking about my career, it's that I understood when 537 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: there was consumer shifts, I. 538 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: Knew the internet was a big one. 539 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I just knew it was going to be huge, and 540 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: I bet the farm on it, and I spent money 541 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: on building a website and building out this brand called 542 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: winelibrary dot com and through email marketing, which was a 543 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: new idea. You know, you're a youngster, like I went 544 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: through all of high school without ever being on the internet. 545 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: Right, you're one of the lucky ones. 546 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that there's a lot of content. By 547 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: the way, can we address that right now? I see the. 548 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: Unlimited content of like if you're lucky you were born 549 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: in the eighties and like we had bikes and we 550 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: had this, and we had all that. 551 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: I would say that. 552 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: I think it's tough for young kids that are growing 553 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: up right now where they're living a lot of their 554 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: lives online, Like I feel very control. 555 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: What do you mean, I mean, they don't have to, 556 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: but they do. 557 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: Though there's so many kids that you can't even get 558 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: them off their screens. 559 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: But if they're complaining they can fix it right. 560 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 3: You know what, though, there's a lot of opportunity online too, 561 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: so there's like multiple ways to see it. I'm very 562 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: positive about online too. 563 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: There's a year old that made a million dollars this 564 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: year gaming. Guess what that was impossible? Like if I 565 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: grew up with the Internet, I would have had the 566 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: greatest career of all time, like I So anyway, nonetheless, 567 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: I don't need to sidetrack. Yes, I was fortunate to 568 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: have not have the Internet. I would tell you that 569 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: Gary Baynerchuk me was incredibly unfortunate that if you fucking 570 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: gave me internet, this guy, if you gave this guy internet, 571 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: this exact guy, everything the same and something could say, well, 572 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: your life would have been different. That's valid. But I 573 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: would tell you right now like I wish I had 574 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: the Internet. 575 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 4: You know what, I wish you had the internet to 576 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: you because I would love to. 577 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: See those. 578 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: There'd be some really funny videos. Anyway, Nonetheless, I email 579 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Google AdWords. 580 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: Are we over ready? Really? How much do you have? 581 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: I have as much time as you have? 582 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: Okay, what do I good? We can go five more minutes. 583 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: Please don't edit that part out. I just want everybody 584 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: to know my honest life. This is what they do 585 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: to me. They give me so tight. I wish I 586 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: had the Internet. I'm glad I didn't have the Internet. 587 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: I wish, and I'm grateful for everything. Like nothing is 588 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: that important. Everything would have been, and what I would 589 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: have and could have done is irrelevant. What I did 590 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: do was I modernized my dad's liquor store into the 591 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: most significant new e commerce wine retailer in the country. 592 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of that. I built that business for 593 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: my father. It's still his business. And nineteen ninety eight 594 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: and really nineteen ninety four to two thousand and eleven 595 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: is some of my proudest work. Because most kids don't 596 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: live a life where they build a business for their parents. 597 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: I did, and I think it's incredibly noble. I'm proud 598 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: of it. It's something I can't wait to tell my 599 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: grandkids about. And I built a huge business for my dad. 600 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've now built a huge business for yourself 601 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: as well. And in two thousand and nine he started 602 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: Vayner Vaynermedia. You didn't just build a business, you built 603 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 3: a personal brand for yourself as well. And you document 604 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: everything from business insights to motivation and strategy and brand prediction. 605 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: So for the people listening, why do you think it's 606 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: valuable to have a personal brand. 607 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's it's a leverage point, you know. 608 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: First of all, I want everyone to hear this. I 609 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: don't think everyone needs to have a personal brand. I 610 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: don't think there's anything that everyone should do. 611 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: But you talk a lot about having your phone and 612 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: how justly. 613 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: I think it's remarkably powerful for most people. But I 614 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people that don't want to 615 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: be public, and I think that's awesome. In fact, you 616 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: may know this about me given what you do, and 617 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: like the research you're done. 618 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 2: I don't talk about my personal life online. 619 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: There's not unlimited pictures of me and moon, or there's 620 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: never been a picture of my kids, Like I don't 621 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: do that. Like everyone's in control, you know. And so 622 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: I think a personal brand is an icky word to 623 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people, and it makes me laugh. It's 624 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: just a modern word for reputation. I think reputation is 625 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: very important. I think you trade on your reputation. I 626 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: think reputation creates opportunities. I think reputation stands, you know, 627 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: speeds up stuff, I can do stuff with all of you, 628 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: like in business in life quicker because you have context. 629 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 2: I like that. 630 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: I like when people approach me with opportunities for them 631 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and they understand a lot about me. I think it 632 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: leads opportunities, it leads to business. In business that I 633 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: think it's quite powerful. But I will remind people some 634 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: of the biggest companies in the world are not run 635 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: by people that have public personas. You know, like, yes, 636 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: I know who Elon is. Yes, I know other businesses 637 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: that are run by public figures Oprah. But there's also 638 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: enormous amounts of businesses that are humongous, Like I don't 639 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: think people know who the lvmh family is in modern 640 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: pop culture. 641 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: Some people in fashion and they know. 642 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: Like you can build huge businesses without like the Navidia guy. 643 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: I know he's a little funny. Anywhere's his thing, but 644 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: he's not out there, but he can be out there. 645 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure people know that 646 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: not every shoe fits every person. Yes, I was early 647 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: and understanding the power of personal brand as a business leverage, 648 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: and I think brand is about to explode in value 649 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: as we go into the AI era. And I think 650 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: whether it's a personal brand or a brand brand for 651 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: a product or service. 652 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I believe in brand. 653 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 3: You talk a lot about predictions for what's happening in 654 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: the branding space and in media. So where do you 655 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: see the media and creator space going AI infected? 656 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: You know, I think the rise of AI influencers is 657 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: about to be here. So I think for me and you, 658 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: we need to be very aware of that, Like me 659 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: standing up. A version of you in AI form is 660 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: now very real, and I think that scares a lot 661 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: of people, but doesn't scare me. Like things change all 662 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: the time, and in fact, you could create. 663 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: Thirty of you. 664 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: I honestly don't mind it. 665 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, Yeah, I get it. I think 666 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: you're open minded to it. So, you know, I think 667 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: that's going to be a very the AI thing for 668 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: everyone at home right now listening. The AI thing is 669 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: big and it's real and like you can say anything 670 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: you want, like people don't like the authenticit Like it's 671 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: fucking coming, it's coming fast, it's coming hard. It doesn't 672 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: care about your feelings or how you made money or 673 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: all the work you put into what you put. 674 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: In, And I implore you. 675 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: Leave anything with her, Please learn how to use these tools, 676 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: because you know that's saying that's going around is pretty true. 677 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: You're you're not gonna lose your job to AI. You're 678 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: gonna lose your job to people. 679 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: That use AI. 680 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: All right, let's do one final question because I know 681 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: you got to run to a meeting. So what is 682 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: one piece of advice that you would tell your younger self? 683 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: My younger self, and I hope this helps someone. 684 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: His biggest kryptonite was candor. It candor is like being 685 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: able to be real, which is wild because Gary Vee, 686 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: like in these podcasts, on stages and when we walk 687 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: the highline. 688 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: Cannor's my strength, right, You're so real. When I'm talking 689 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: to the world, I'm unstoppable. 690 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: But in my real life, the more I love you, 691 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: the more I care about you, the harder candor was 692 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: for me. I used to associate candor with invoking fear. 693 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't see that lack of candor created fear, And 694 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: so my kryptonite was what I would tell if I 695 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: was talking to nineteen year old me right now, would say, hey, brother, 696 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: you were really fucking gifted. You know, the right mix 697 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: of mommy and daddy having se except the right second. 698 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: The fact that you were born in a really fucked 699 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: up place. You came to this incredible place. You were 700 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: handed nothing, so you became very hungry. You had a 701 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: lot of golden heart DNA, but then you had a 702 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: fucking mom that cultivated it. You've got it all, but 703 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: you have a fucking flaw. And that flaw is the 704 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: more you care about someone, the more you can't tell 705 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: them what you really think because you're scared to hurt 706 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: their feelings or hurt them. This is not about over hey, kid, 707 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: This is not about you wanting to Don't be confused. 708 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking right now. This is not 709 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: about you wanting to be over like because you don't 710 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: care about that. This is you being overly compassionate and 711 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: empathetic to a fault where you are overly worried about 712 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: what someone thinks and you're gonna hold back and it's 713 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: gonna build resentment and everything bad that's about to happen 714 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: for you over the next thirty one years, because it's 715 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: me being fifty to talking to a nineteen year old me. 716 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: Everything bad that's about to happen to you personally and 717 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: professionally over next thirty five one years is going to 718 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: be based on one thing. Your inability to tell people 719 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: you love like kind of like what you actually think. 720 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: And you need to find a way to tell them 721 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: that nicely, with compassion. But you have to be able. 722 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: To do that. 723 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: And you know that would have saved me a lot 724 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: of headaches. I really wish I had fifty year old 725 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: me tell me that, because that is the one scarlet 726 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: letter scars that I carry with me into my next century. 727 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: Now. 728 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm happy that I'm able to talk about this now 729 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: because I've learned it. It's still, by the way, candor 730 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: is still hard for me. With Mona kids, best friends, 731 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Train who's only been with me for five minutes, right. 732 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: Hard love Train, He's been great. 733 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: It's hard for me. It's still hard for me to 734 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: deliver candor. But I'm a five out of ten, which 735 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: is a lot better than a one out of ten. 736 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: And for anyone who's listening that that really hit start 737 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: practicing because practice gets you from one to five, and 738 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: more practice will get. 739 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: Me from five to ten. 740 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: So if we're talking candor, be brutally honest with me, 741 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: how can I get better? 742 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: You'll appreciate this. I don't know. I think you're very 743 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: good on camera. 744 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: You know, I think you're comfortable when you're talking to camera, 745 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: so I was good. I also like how you and 746 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: your team interacted well. 747 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: I do have to say the one thing about you 748 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 3: that I really respect and have always appreciated, and I've 749 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: been a fan of you for a while is you 750 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: are so like understated and humble and you see that 751 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: through all of your content and everything that you put 752 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: out and even like with the team that you guys have, 753 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: like everybody that works for you is you know, just 754 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: a chill and nice person. 755 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: That was actually the comp Thank you, and that was 756 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: a compliment I was about to give. You feel like 757 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: you guys are a crew. I love staying in line. 758 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: I love when I go to the door and like 759 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: they're like go back to the line, and everyone around 760 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: me's like what the fuck And I'm like, oh, com 761 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: like it. 762 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: Doesn't also hear me out that's like the worst thing 763 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 3: you can hear you think you said reputations everywhere? 764 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: Oh I saw the worst thing, bro bro. 765 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: I saw someone roll up to a place the other 766 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: day that it was at and they were like they 767 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: were like they were like, the door wasn't great to me, 768 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, could not give less shits And 769 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: this other guy's like, I have seventeen thousand followers on TikTok. 770 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: I like literally laughed. I was like, I felt so 771 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: bad for that kid. I was like, bro, that's not it. 772 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: Last thing. 773 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: Happy freaking fiftieth birth Thank you V. I'm excited for 774 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: the next fifty. 775 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. Let's go to you guys. 776 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode 777 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: with Gary V. If you are enjoying Post Run High, 778 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: please make sure you follow our podcast and share this 779 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: episode with a friend. Your support helps us continue bringing 780 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: you more inspiring conversations like Gary Vee. I'll see you 781 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: guys next week on Post Run High.