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Speaker 1: All right, let's do it live on a reaction Monday

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Speaker 1: edition of the program. And quite quite honestly, Um, this

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Speaker 1: Was the opportunity there to spring and upset? Yeah, for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: but this is also what happens when you are not

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Speaker 1: one of the best teams in the league, and we

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Speaker 1: don't go your way for this team, that's snowballs, and

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Speaker 1: there's not a way to stop the avalanche. It's once

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Speaker 1: it starts, it's too damn late, and it's done. We

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Speaker 1: listening to this show and you're frustrated, we're frustrating. The

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Speaker 1: Browns are frustrated. It's a frustrating season. This game felt

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Speaker 1: so similar to so many We score early, our defense

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Speaker 1: have you know, the Browns had eleven first downs, the

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Speaker 1: Bills had zero, and the score was ten to three.

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Speaker 1: Because special teams again, bad punt, bad punt coverage. They

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Speaker 1: get three and out, still get a field goal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Browns just could not take advantage drop passes in

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Speaker 1: a familiar thing coming for you've heard this for Browns.

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Speaker 1: On a nice drive, they fumble in the opponent's territory.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a cavalcade of mistakes and and what

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Speaker 1: I came to the realization this morning, and it was

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Speaker 1: it's not a fun realization. But the Browns are the

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Speaker 1: Remember what was the open for thirty thirty? Howd that opened?

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Speaker 1: Can you remind me that open? Oh? The ESPN thirty? Like?

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Speaker 1: How they go? What if I if I told you?

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Speaker 1: we're gonna play a little just indulge me if you

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Speaker 1: don't mind this. We're gonna do what if I told you?

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Speaker 1: What if I told you, which is again in this case,

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna get a theme here, and then we're

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Speaker 1: let's go that the Browns would face the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: and that Josh Allen would throw for a hundred ninety

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Speaker 1: seven yards and one touchdown. That's the and that touchdown

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Speaker 1: would go to Stefon Diggs, who would have just forty

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Speaker 1: not Let's be very clear, Jacoby Brissett has been great.

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Speaker 1: And yet it's not enough because it's almost like we

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Speaker 1: don't generate any turnovers at all. It just doesn't happen,

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Speaker 1: basically just bulldozed by their lineman. Then other plays, our

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Speaker 1: But what happened today was unacceptable. Ours is you know

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Speaker 1: sometimes and and Grant maybe right, people don't know what

427
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Speaker 1: they're doing. Miles is saying they're not emphasizing takeaways like

428
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Speaker 1: that's all they talk about in practice to take away

429
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Speaker 1: they do. I mean, it's obviously in their emisodes, we're

430
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Speaker 1: just not doing it. And it feels like more of

431
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Speaker 1: a m pass the buck. It's not me. It's gotta

432
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: be the coaching. It's gotta be this guy. It's gotta

433
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: be that like and all any individual player can control

434
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Speaker 1: as themselves. And and that's maybe a recommendation the focus

435
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: of their commentary should be themselves collectively. It's not good

436
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: enough obviously, and you need to be together. But like

437
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Speaker 1: I thought Garrett Wilson's quotes were a quotes of a leader,

438
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: even as a rookie, being like, uh, not acceptable period

439
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: the end. Yep, yeah, and that's that's not it. So

440
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: that like we've been saying a lot of this stuff, right,

441
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: remember it was the details. You know, we're gonna spend

442
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Speaker 1: more time in the film room. And now we played

443
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Speaker 1: good against Cincinnati. Well we had urgency that game, and

444
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: it's like now we have no more. Now we're not

445
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Speaker 1: watching film anymore, Like we beat the Bengals and we're

446
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: we don't need to work anymore. But I know guys

447
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: are working. That's the and that's what's so hard, and

448
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: people need these guys have been playing football their whole

449
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: lives at a very high level, like cover threes or

450
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: cover threes, and and yes there can be different nuances

451
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: to a cover three, but that would be maybe a

452
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: thing if like it was changing year to year and

453
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Speaker 1: you all of a sudden had new coaches and new

454
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: terminology and new rules for one, two and three in

455
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: your various coverages, we don't know, and we got I

456
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: mean they threw the wide open touchdown and Diggs, we

457
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: also got let you down another one when Diggs went

458
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: bonkers on the sideline where we let him run down

459
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: the field and Alan looked right at him and didn't throw.

460
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: Diggs was jumping up and down throwing the tantram, and

461
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Gibby and I were loving it. But it's wild to

462
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Speaker 1: me that this stuff still happens and that we are

463
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: incapable of stopping people that don't want to run the ball. No, no,

464
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's very it's it's very frustrating. De Shan

465
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: is not going to cure all of this because Jacobe

466
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: prods not the problem, and De Sean will make it

467
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: better and hopefully perhaps maybe just his presence will elevate things.

468
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: But for a defense that was top five a year

469
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Speaker 1: ago for a team that you said, okay, if you

470
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Speaker 1: just scored twenty points a game, you would win the division.

471
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Speaker 1: Which what is true last year that's a factual statement.

472
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Speaker 1: Over the final second half of the season. We're doing

473
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Speaker 1: that every week. I'm stupefied. I know we changed our

474
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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. That's not that's part of the problem. But

475
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Speaker 1: it's not like the whole issue. That's not all it

476
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Speaker 1: last year. But like, yeah, but Malik Jackson is not

477
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Speaker 1: in the league this year. No, No, and owl was

478
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, had his issues. He was obviously talented. Um,

479
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: that's not we lost to the Jets. Stephen tackles are

480
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: when we lost to the Jets. No, it's just that,

481
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a it's a stupefying the season

482
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Speaker 1: and it feels like you now are looking at as

483
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Speaker 1: you mentioned perfectly, the final seven. I'd love to give

484
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Briset the Swan song he deserves. Take out Tom

485
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: Brady in his final game in Cleveland, be wonderful. And

486
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Speaker 1: then it's about six games. What can we do in

487
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: those final six games with the Sean you know, can

488
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Speaker 1: we go four into five and one? Six, and oh,

489
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 1: can we look like a formidable team to build some

490
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: momentum because it feels like right now, I don't even

491
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: know what in my mind I could say that the

492
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: team in three is going to look like, other than

493
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Speaker 1: to say, you know, Nick Chubb, Deshaun Watson, most of

494
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: the line, Najoku, Amari Donovan, People's jones. Beyond that, I

495
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: have no idea. And on defense, it's really hard to say, oh, gosh,

496
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: what's what? Yeah, it is more certainly more questions and answers,

497
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: even though we've seen now we've read the book that

498
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Speaker 1: we read on Sunday, We've read it many times, similar issues,

499
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Speaker 1: over and over and over. You guy said to Jim

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Speaker 1: one of the breaks, I was like, it's being It's

501
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: like being forced to watch a show that you've already

502
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: seen many many times, but just don't enjoy it. Don't

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Speaker 1: like it. I don't like it. I don't Why am

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Speaker 1: to people in Buffalo in terms of what they had

518
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Speaker 1: to do just to get to the game, I mean,

519
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: I was seeing the videos of the of the guys

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: like snow like snowplows farmers, snowplowing guys out of their driveways.

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Speaker 1: How did they even get there? So Like I was

522
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: talking with Bobby Babbitt, who used to work here back

523
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Speaker 1: in Mike petton eras the linebackers coach for the Buffalo Bills.

524
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Speaker 1: Now great dude, and spent some time with him pregame,

525
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Speaker 1: and he was like, it has been the craziest four

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Speaker 1: hours of my life. Was like, talk to me brother,

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Speaker 1: so he lives. So if you're in Buffalo, there was

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00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: nothing but everybody south, which is Orchard Park where the

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00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: stadium is. All that was just bomb six plus feet

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Speaker 1: just completely insane, so vintage area. He he brother, he

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Speaker 1: lived off of what he said like a main street,

532
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Speaker 1: and then to get to his street, there's only one

533
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: street that comes off of my street. It kind of

534
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: goes over like an overpass and then down into where

535
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: his neighborhood is. He's only a mile and a half

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Speaker 1: of the facility. The snow was so bad that there

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00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: were two cars that tried to make it over the

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00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: little overpass and didn't, so they were stuck there and

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Speaker 1: left there. So now they can't plow because there are

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Speaker 1: two cars suck there, so they can't plow the overpass.

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Speaker 1: So everybody in this neighborhood is like stuck in this

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Speaker 1: neighborhood because that is the one way out and there's

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Speaker 1: no they can't plow. So he had to walk on

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Speaker 1: Friday to the facility to war work and like three

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Speaker 1: ft of snow and he's like I was walking through

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Speaker 1: and finally he gets over this overpass and he was

547
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: planning to walk the whole way and like a fireman.

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00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: They picked him up and took him there and then

549
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: they brought him back to the end, but he still

550
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: had to walk over the overpass and he had do

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Speaker 1: the same to get out. For to get to the airplane,

552
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Speaker 1: he had to go over the walk himself through. And

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00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: this side of there's no nothing was touched and there's

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Speaker 1: no fix here because they can't get over the snowplowt

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Speaker 1: because these cars are stuck on the overpass correct like,

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Speaker 1: and he said that there are players who needed, you know,

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Speaker 1: teams of people to get them out just so they

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00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: could get there. He's there was a good portion time

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Speaker 1: where we didn't think we were getting to Detroit, but

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Speaker 1: we didn't know it was gonnapen dod't think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: play the game. But obviously they made it. And I

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00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: think you could tell they're a little off in shell

563
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: shocked early and then we you know, we didn't take advantage,

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Speaker 1: but just wild. This was the crowd like it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Actually it was hard to tell on TV, like if

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Speaker 1: it was it was full, was it split or was

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Speaker 1: it mostly I think they piped in a little noise

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Speaker 1: for them to give it like a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of a home game Feeld, but never during the game.

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Speaker 1: And I even noted on the broadcast at one point,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know everybody's talking about, oh, they get

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Speaker 1: to come into Dome. They had come and Dome. Well,

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Speaker 1: we get to not play in front of the Bills mafia.

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Speaker 1: So think about you know, we could heard two third

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Speaker 1: downs on the first drive. If you watched the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: game at all the week before. Four of the six

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Speaker 1: time outs Minnesota used were pre snap time outs because

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Speaker 1: they couldn't communicate because it was so loud, you know,

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Speaker 1: and for the one where we were backed up deep

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Speaker 1: in our own end like that would have been backed

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Speaker 1: up in front of Bills like that would be so

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Speaker 1: much harder. Obviously, we didn't win, so it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: but that was Yeah, that was a factor as well.

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of Bills fans there. It

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Speaker 1: was It was cool. I thought it felt like you

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Speaker 1: were at a bowl game. Wasn't the National Champion game,

587
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: but was a was a really good bowl game. Everyone

588
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: was dialed in and it was excited. Yeah, the the

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Speaker 1: broadcasters were saying that, I guess Amanda bellionis so I

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00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: think she's a Manda Reunter now or from golfers bally

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Speaker 1: On as she was on sidelines, and then who was

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Speaker 1: on color, Lofton Lofton. So they were coming in from

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Speaker 1: San Diego area and they got stuck. They went through

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00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Detroit because that's the connecting to go to Buffalo, and

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00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: they got on the plane and took off from Detroit

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Speaker 1: to go to Buffalo. When they got the notification of

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Speaker 1: the game was gonna be playing Detroit, so they went

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Speaker 1: there and then I had to go back to Detroit

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Speaker 1: to the just told him to hang on, let's see

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Speaker 1: what the ruling. I have no idea. I'm sure their

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Speaker 1: flights are gonna wait no, but I'm saying, like, don't

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Speaker 1: get on that flight, like you can fly to Buffalo

603
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: because Friday, Yeah, who knows how this air travel, how

604
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: it goes now? Um, so like they didn't even they

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00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: were dressed for like a man who was saying, like

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Speaker 1: she was dressed for winter, and so like she didn't

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Speaker 1: even have clothes to wear in seventy two degrees, because

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Speaker 1: why would you pack for that? When you leave your home,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go broadcast a game in the North Pole outdoors, outdoors,

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00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: not indoors seven two degrees Um, I'll tell you the

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00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: I understand sir, only the nostalgia. And you heard Half

612
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: talk last week about playing the snowball game and what

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00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: it meant to him. Um, and it was one of

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Speaker 1: his most one of the most fun times of his

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00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: time here, that game in two thousand seven. But and

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Speaker 1: I too can understand. You see these they see the

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Speaker 1: snow and you see it. It's so cool. But if

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Speaker 1: you have an ability to build a dome, do it.

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Speaker 1: You have to do it. I just think, like you

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00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: want to see football played at its best in in

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Speaker 1: perfect conditions, rather than sitting out in the middle of

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. It's just a no brainer. To

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Speaker 1: have seventy two degrees or whatever it was at Ford

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Speaker 1: Field and you walk in and you have your concessions

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00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: and everything is good and you're watching the game. That

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00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: to me, where this sport is going. Where there are

627
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: so many options for us to do with our time

628
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: and our free time, and so many things pulling at us.

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Speaker 1: I think a controlled environment is wonderful, is a necessity,

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Yeah. I will say that we were in

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Speaker 1: the National Radio booth because the lines are already set

632
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: up for the Thanksgiving game. On Thursday in their booth.

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Speaker 1: We called this game brother from the after I have

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Speaker 1: never like if you had a fear of high school

635
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Speaker 1: radio booth, it's like, is that like the like CBS

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Speaker 1: or like Westwood wand or whatever. And it was we

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Speaker 1: were way down in one end zone basically, and we

638
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: were you could touch the steel beams of did you

639
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: see my picture? Like, I'm I have to lean when

640
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: they were in the end zone down to the right.

641
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: I had to lean out because I was blocked by

642
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: a bricks the bricks, the bricks, the bricks structure in

643
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Ford Field. Oh you're at the ceiling, yes, like we're

644
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I've never been that high indoors. I don't know. I'm

645
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: obviously you going buildings that are four under feet whatever fies.

646
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: But I'm saying in a football game, we've never been higher.

647
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: So that was after Miami, where we could have been

648
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: further away from the field in the corner. This was

649
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: now we were, I mean up that steel and I

650
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: don't understand how many places have It's a stunning structure

651
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: inside the bricks awesome which you can see right there.

652
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: And I was blocked partially blocked by the back of

653
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: there are so many massive. There's a massive steel structure

654
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: going across. Did you know that on the side of

655
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: Forefeld like this, Like this is all just hanging from

656
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: the ceiling. It's like built into the sides. But I

657
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: think maybe it supports the roof. But that's a lot

658
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: of weight to be under the roof. That is interesting

659
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: that the beams would be so the beams and they're

660
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: ginormous steel beams, so they're all exposed a lot of time.

661
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: Those roofs like don't have anything on them. Yeah, that's

662
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: like the the strength of it is is the roof.

663
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: The roof has the strength in it, So that's hanging

664
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: in That's almost like the roof is sitting on top

665
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: of that as opposed to it being integrated. I've never

666
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: been in the place. It's nice. I like it. It's

667
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: cool in there. It feels it's indoors, feels big, but

668
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: feels intimate at the same time. I'm a ford Field fan.

669
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Did you guys have of Um? How did the I

670
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: mean you drove up Sunday? Right, so the team we

671
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: are team drove up Saturday Saturday? Drive back with me?

672
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Is there enough? Was there enough like lodging for everybody

673
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: or how did all that. There were some rumors that

674
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: there was too hotel stuff going around and there was

675
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: hardly enough root tables for the great Uh. There were

676
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: definitely people that had to pair up. I was not

677
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: one of them, thank God, dear give, but that there

678
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: weren't enough right like I heard I read that on

679
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Sunday morning that there was a real concern, like wait

680
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: a second, now of a sudden, we have an extra

681
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: three hotel rooms that we gotta have for two NFL teams,

682
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: and it's got to be a certain level. You can't

683
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: put them at the motor in. I appreciate Mr Cigura's

684
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: offer to ride home, but it was a mess trying

685
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: to get two teams loaded out, one going in one direction,

686
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: one going halfway in one direction in another direction, like

687
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: the Bills kept some stuff there, but we're packing up.

688
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: The Bills flew home yesterday after the game. They were

689
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: there going back home to Buffalo. There's one tunnel need

690
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: to be done. We have families that need their people's out.

691
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: There's only one tunnel. So everybody everything I had to

692
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: go out the same area. All the bus is going

693
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: to be in the same area. If you were underground

694
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: yesterday post game. It was a mess because there were

695
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: two different food lines like play you know, Buffalo had

696
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: their side, but everything underneath overlaps, so like your locker

697
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: room is right next to like the visitor lot the

698
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: visitor press media room, and are pressed. Like there's people

699
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: just going back and forth. When give A texted me,

700
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: we just got to the facility. I had already been

701
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: eating deconstructed chicken popepe by the way, which was phenomenal.

702
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get this so intrigued by what she tried

703
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: to do here. She didn't try, she crushed ushed it.

704
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: And I had already I had already had a glass

705
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: of uh A grenache Zin blend from pass A Robels,

706
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: which was fantastic, And He's like, yeah, we just got

707
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: to still it. I was like, I've been home for

708
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: an hour, hey man, there was stuff to do. Post

709
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: game is just as important, so let's give me this

710
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: chip pop. How did she pull it off? Well, we're

711
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: gon't go through all the details, but she I don't

712
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: even know. When I came home, it was ready. God,

713
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: she's a force of nature and it was just delightful.

714
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: What a woman hold on? By the way, where sinceince

715
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: it's on here, I see you under there, show the people.

716
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the fighting bobcats dominant. I thought game Day

717
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: did a hell of a job. I thought they crushed it.

718
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Um they did a really they whipped on the picker.

719
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Should have been you, we should have been Remember we

720
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: said he was angling for it. So College Game Day

721
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: was at Montana Montana State cat Grizz as we call it,

722
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: and um it was. They did a great job of

723
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: painting the picture of it all. I thought they did

724
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: a good job of of giving you a little bit

725
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: of color. Some of the vignettes they did were really

726
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: really hit home. Um, a couple of things. The Faldo

727
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: can't be the he's lived there six months and he

728
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: lobbied for it. I like, I feel like in retrospect

729
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: when he made that video, he had already known, don't

730
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: you think not? From what I understand, I think they

731
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: were trying to find people who were either graduates of

732
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Montana State, like it's it's hard to get into the state.

733
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: It's it was five degrees so it was it was

734
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: pretty cold, so it's hard to get people to come

735
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: in and do it. Maybe my guy Michael Keaton might

736
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Bee has doesn't watch college football or something I don't know,

737
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: but I thought he would have been perfect. He's lived

738
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: there for a long long time, born Kilbourne would have

739
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: been ideal. I just don't know if he would have

740
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: could have got up there, I don't know. Um he

741
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: would have been well that's true too, I don't know.

742
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean that didn't end all the best. I think

743
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: he came back for one of the reunions. Um. The

744
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: other thing I thought the funniest thing was I did

745
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: see this. Uh, I don't know if I saw it

746
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: on a sign or a tweet that said, and I

747
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: know Kirk, well, I know that he's not picking his

748
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: clothes like I don't know if you saw what herb

749
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: Street war So the tweet was, Kirk Kirk curb Street

750
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: is wearing what John Dutton is fighting to keep out

751
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: of Montana and that but that that's pretty much it.

752
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: He pretty much nailed it. Like if I saw so,

753
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: he looked like, honestly like Jim Carey when he goes

754
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: to meet the girl at the date in Dumb and

755
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Dummer and he's wearing like all the gloves and the

756
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: hat and all that stuff. That's kind of what it

757
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: looked like a little bit to me. With Herbie. I'm

758
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: like that, I've never seen anybody look like that. Who's

759
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: from the state. Have you seen this that just got

760
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: tweeted to us? No, it is I can't even now

761
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: where's that. I don't even say it out loud. We

762
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: gotta do some reconnaissance. I gotta see where that is. Yeah,

763
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: but it was good. They did a good job and

764
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: and so um it was beautiful as I thought it

765
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: would be. I do want to shout out. I know

766
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: they're not listening, but literally, the people that work at

767
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: ford f Lines, maybe they are listening. They loved us

768
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: on D l D. They did. They were spectacular. Shout

769
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: out to Javis and filled Dangerfield who literally put this together.

770
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: And it was hour by hour, like we're riding up

771
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: on the bus and then we're getting reports that the

772
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: bills are now delayed, and then they were delayed again,

773
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, here's this hotel. How do we

774
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: make the best of it. There's a wedding going on

775
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: with three people at it, like and the people of

776
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: ford Field. On Friday, anytime I had a question, I

777
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: sent an email. Within ten minutes, it was answered, it

778
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: was taken care of whatever we needed it was shout

779
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: out to all parties. It came together. I thought it

780
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: was a really cool atmosphere. It was a lot of fun,

781
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: and unfortunately we didn't win. But yeah, yeah, it was amazing.

782
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: You could they win forty eight hours or a little

783
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: bit more. You could like play in an NFL game

784
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: and actually do it. It's pretty remarkable, all right, Coach Defanski,

785
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,440
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Speaker 1: And now here's coach defense get the podium. Okay, injury

803
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: front Ethan Postic has a knee injury that will be

804
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: in the weeks, but not entirely sure how many weeks

805
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: it is. Um. Jack Conklin with that foot injury should

806
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: be okay. You know, obviously looking back on that game,

807
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: just some really missed opportunities is what it was. You

808
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: go play a good football team, Um, you gotta capitalize

809
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: on opportunities. When you get down to the red zone.

810
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: You gotta come away with sevens. And we just didn't

811
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: capitalize on opportunities. And then in the second half, we

812
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: gotta find a way to get a stop and play

813
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: complimentary football, and we just didn't do that. Uh, And

814
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: that's that's what that's when you get those results that

815
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: we got yesterday. So we gotta find a way. Got

816
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: another good team this week coming to our place, and

817
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: we gotta find a way to go one to know

818
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: this week and with that, I'll take any questions. Thanks Rob,

819
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Thanks coach. I know you We've talked to you a

820
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: lot about the defense and the run defense in particular here,

821
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: and I know you tweaked practices and scheme and personnel.

822
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: You're still not getting the results you want. How concerning

823
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah? I think to your point, Tom, you

824
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: know you are trying to do anything you can to

825
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: get the results you you're looking for. So in order

826
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: to play good run defense schematically, we gotta make sure

827
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: that we can play fast and can fit our gaps,

828
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, be sound and everything we're doing. Um and

829
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: I didn't do that yesterday. Enough. You gotta tackle, you

830
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: gotta run of the ball, all those things. So we'll

831
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: continue to look at it and find a way because

832
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: teams are gonna continue to try to run the football.

833
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Um and we got it. We gotta stop it, hey, Kevin.

834
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: After the game, Miles said, not enough importance is being

835
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: placed on takeaways in practice, and Grant said, you can't

836
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: have faith in your teammates if guys don't know what

837
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: they're doing. Do you feel like the defense is it

838
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: like a fracturing point and how do you keep it together.

839
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: I think when you're three and seven, there's frustration. I

840
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: mean that that's what we are today, three and seven. UM.

841
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: But bottom line is we've got to be every person

842
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: that's building, players, coaches, staff, you name it, have to

843
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: have that attitude of fixing anything that needs to be fixed.

844
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's where our focus is today. UM. I can't

845
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: speak to those specific things that those guys said, but

846
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: those are conversations I'll have with our guys and um

847
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: Will yelled to stay in at center for Ethan. Yes, Kevin,

848
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: we've talked to so much about the defense right where

849
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, Miles, about the practice. There's guys that are

850
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: questioned the game play. How concerning is it when it's

851
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: year three of this? All these A lot of these

852
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: players have been here for a long time. Joe Woods

853
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: has been here. How concerning is that it's year three

854
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: and they're still having issues? Yeah. Again, I go back

855
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: to it's frustrating to be three and seven. UM. There's

856
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: frustration that comes with that. UM. I get that there's

857
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: negativity that comes with that, but UH, we're gonna focus

858
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: on what we can do better, focus on things that

859
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: we can control, uh, and what we can control this

860
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: week is is finding a way to go get a win.

861
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Kevin kind of off of that. But when you're game

862
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: planning to try to get this win this week and

863
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: guys saying that there may be having a hard time

864
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: understanding what they're supposed to be doing and the coverage

865
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be in in any given moment, how

866
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: do you address that? Is it slowing things down and

867
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: walk through practice? Is it changing how the plan is delivered,

868
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: adjusting teaching style? Are those things that you're considering when

869
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: you're looking at those kinds of issues. Yeah, I think

870
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: to your question Cam, you know, and this is for

871
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: all sides of the ball. You're always trying to give

872
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: your guys a plan that they can go play fast.

873
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean that's when you get to Sundays. You don't

874
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: want to be thinking, you want to be reacting. So

875
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: we look at all those things. We look at walkthroughs,

876
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: how how we conduct walkthroughs, how often we do a

877
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: walk through. Um, all those things are important in your

878
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: preparation because it does come down to your preparation. Having

879
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: said that, uh, what's important for our players, what's important

880
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: for our coaches is to put together a plan for

881
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: this week. We can control this week. Um, and that's

882
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Um. Okay, in the the on

883
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: Jones eight plays yesterday, what was that all about? He

884
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: was not on the injury report. Yeah, just the course

885
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: of the game, you know, Uh, talkie playing mic linebacker

886
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: for US. I was doing a nice job. And then

887
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: obviously Joe Kay was plenty of time the block are

888
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: the block and kid York yesterday? Was that low trajectory

889
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: or a breakdown in protection? What did you see? Yeah?

890
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: I think it was. We gotta look at It's something

891
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: that's a focus of ours that we gotta make sure

892
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: we're working on with cade. Um. You know, got to

893
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: have a high trajectory on those kicks. Um, something we're

894
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: just working on. Yeah, Kevin, perhaps similarly, just wondering do you, um,

895
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you look out there at your defense

896
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: and at your players, do you feel like they know

897
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: what their assignments are, what they're supposed to be doing,

898
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: that they're prepared for, uh, for the game plan and

899
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: as much as they possibly can be. Yeah, I do,

900
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Mary Kay and listen, mental errors and those type of

901
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: things they happen in football. Um So I'm not naive

902
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: to say that we're going to play the perfect game,

903
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: but I think these guys work really really hard during

904
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: the week to make sure that they have a very

905
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: firm grasp what we're doing. When the other team makes

906
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: a play that they make a play, um, but you

907
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: gotta tackle and get him on the ground. But overall

908
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: understanding what we're doing. I think the guys are putting

909
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: in the work. Kevin. It seems like once something bad happens,

910
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: then it kind of tends the snowball for you. You know,

911
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: you get the fumball and then a couple of things

912
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: go bad from there. How do you stop that from

913
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: happening in game where one, you know, mistake doesn't turn

914
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: into tend mistakes? Yeah, you got I mean you make

915
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: your own luck, Scott. I really believe that you just

916
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: you gotta make one play, one play to your point

917
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: might turn the momentum a football game. And uh, but

918
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: that's that's on on us to go make those plays.

919
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: And what contributed to so many negative runs from Nick yesterday?

920
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: That's really unusual for you guys. Yeah, they you know,

921
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: first of all, they did a nice job and and

922
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: that scheme that they were, they were penetrating. Um. There

923
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: are things that we can do to give nick in

924
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: our backs a better opportunity. But we got we have

925
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: to run the ball better, Um, obviously, and I think

926
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: we will coach. You mentioned Jeremiah before, he was all

927
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: over the field yesterday. Just a matter of him feeling better,

928
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: feeling better. I know we had a good week of practice. Yeah, again,

929
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: played played a lot, played sideline to sideline. Wasn't perfect,

930
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's plays I know that he wants back,

931
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: but gave great effort, um, trying to fight to get

932
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: guys in ground, fight to get the ball out and

933
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: back to the block field goal was Was there just

934
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: a low trajectory there? What was the breakdown there? Yeah,

935
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it was protection obviously, can't measure exactly

936
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: the trajectory those type of things, but that that is

937
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: an emphasis for all kickers are trying to make sure

938
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: that they get great trajectory on on those kicks. All right,

939
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas up next to us to clad the rounds

940
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: daily on YESP in Cleveland. Cleveland Brown's Daily brought to

941
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,800
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Speaker 1: of your Cleveland Browns. As we bring back the Half

945
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas for the second hour of the program. Well,

946
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: we we've read this book before, haven't we? Half mistakes

947
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: on specialty stakes, on defense, um and and unwilling and

948
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: inability to overcome any of it and then just get

949
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: gashed in the run game again by an opposition. So

950
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: this this had a similar script to us. What was

951
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: it like for you, sir? This book is not on

952
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: Oprah's Favorite Things booklist, that's for sure, because nobody likes it.

953
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm tired of seeing us not be able to stop

954
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: the run. That was my big takeaway from the game.

955
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: You can't win NFL games if you just absolutely can't

956
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: stop the run. I understand that. You know, sometimes teams

957
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: are gonna get one on you, and sometimes teams have

958
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: really tough rushing attacks, and you're gonna give up some

959
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: things in the running game if somebody's just really good

960
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: and really committed to it, because maybe you don't want

961
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: to give up some big plays in the passing game.

962
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: But until we're able to consistently stop or at least

963
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: just limit the run a little bit. The team really

964
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: almost has no chance because we don't have the type

965
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: of an offense until Deshaun Watson comes back to be

966
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: able to put up thirty plus points every week and

967
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: to be able to explosively score like you saw if

968
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: you watched the Sunday night game with the Chiefs and

969
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: the Chargers, Like, what if Mahomes is your quarterback, it

970
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you can't stop the run, because the

971
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: other team can't go the long, hard way running the

972
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: football even if they're gashing you consistently enough to compete

973
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: with a quarterback that's scoring in two or three plays.

974
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: We don't have that right now, and so if we

975
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: want to be competitive next week, we've got to be

976
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: able to figure out a way to stop the run.

977
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: And clearly, from a personnel standpoint, we don't right now

978
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: have the defensive line and linebackers to be able to

979
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: stop the run. So we're gonna have to try to

980
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: do it with scheme, and if the back end is

981
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: going to suffer because of that, they got to figure

982
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: it out. Because those guys are pretty good in the

983
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: back end. Several of them are paid highly to be

984
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: able to communicate, to be able to get things done,

985
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: and to win in man coverage. If we have to

986
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: attack the line of scrimmage with some run, blitz is

987
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: to try to stop the run, because dying, this death

988
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: of a million paper cuts right now against everybody's rushing

989
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: attack is a book I don't want to read anymore.

990
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: The same throw it in the trash that how do

991
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: you It just feels like this team, and we talked

992
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: about it in the first second night, hate to even

993
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: revisit it, but we'll talk about it with you because

994
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: you're fine, gentlemen. It's like the first sign something goes wrong,

995
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: it's just over, we fumble in their territory. It's over.

996
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: We go for it and fourth down their territory and

997
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: we don't get it. Which is those two things have

998
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: happened in consecutive games. Both it just feels like we crumble.

999
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, at one point in this game, we had

1000
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: eleven first downs, they had zero and it was ten

1001
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: to three, and then we had two something yards of

1002
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: offense and they had fifty and it was ten to six, Like,

1003
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: how does this happen? And what I don't know? This

1004
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: seems lacking. I said, what did I say? Clutch meter

1005
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: execution and leadership in in a massive way, And I

1006
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: don't know how to fix it. I don't know. Half,

1007
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna loss Hope Reed's effort, right. Michael Evern one

1008
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: of the show's favorite characters that I don't know if

1009
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: he's ever even been on the show, but we talked

1010
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: about all the Oh yeah, that's what a great man

1011
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: for taking the time. Do you remember do you remember

1012
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: many years ago, Half, I think Hugh was the coach

1013
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: and he brought Playmaker into like talk to the team. Yeah, yeah,

1014
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: I think actually was Chid because him and Chant there

1015
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: was there was a Miami connection between the two of them.

1016
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. Yeah. Then he came

1017
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: on into the show and he was great. Yeah, oh man,

1018
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: IRV was when he was in front of the room.

1019
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: It was it was bad timing because it was like

1020
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: our bye week and it was the thing we had

1021
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: to do before we got out of town. People weren't

1022
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: exactly excited to have like a long speech. But I

1023
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: will say the Playmaker, he brought it like he took

1024
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: his pre workout before that meal. And uh, there was

1025
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes of IRV up there, just sweating like

1026
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: a preacher in front of the room, given his best effort,

1027
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: which was awesome. Did you ever say to yourself, boy,

1028
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to travel the country with this guy and

1029
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: we're the world on Wednesday nights for the next few years.

1030
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're surprised to hear it, but it was

1031
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: not going across my dashboard at that moment in my life.

1032
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking about trying to get to the bye week,

1033
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: so I get sitting in his tree stand to get

1034
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: a couple of days away from Barrio. But we digressed

1035
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: a bit. But either way, I think he said almost

1036
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: every week was hope breeds up. And I would always

1037
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: tease them about saying it all the time, but it's

1038
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: so true in this game where wins and losses come

1039
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: down to one to three points. We saw it so

1040
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: often early in the season when you have a team

1041
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: that has maybe a couple of players you can lean on,

1042
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: whether it's their leadership from an emotional standpoint of local

1043
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: standpart of their performance standpoint. You believe in those guys

1044
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: and you have hope that in those big moments, because

1045
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: you've seen it before, that they're gonna stand up and

1046
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: they're going to win the moment. They're gonna make the

1047
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: big play no matter what the scoreboard says. You know

1048
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: those plays are going to be there, and it's your

1049
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: job as one of the Indians to be able to

1050
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: just make sure that the table is set for when

1051
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: that chief is ready to come in and make the

1052
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: big play. And we've got a few of those guys,

1053
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: but we don't have enough of those guys right now,

1054
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: and we don't have that dude that like the Chiefs

1055
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: we were just talking about a minute ago with Patrick Mahomes.

1056
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: I did a podcast with Mitchell Schwartz today and he said,

1057
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: those guys never panic, They never even get worried. They

1058
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: get behind in almost every game, and if you're on

1059
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs Twitter, like everybody's freaking out all the time. But

1060
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: they're cool as a cucomer. Patrick, he never gets emotional,

1061
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, he never gets worked up on the sidelines

1062
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: that they're behind, like because they know that it doesn't

1063
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: matter what the score is because they're gonna be able

1064
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: to find what they need at the end and as

1065
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: long as Patrick Mahomes has the ball with more than

1066
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: a few seconds stuft than the clock and it's a

1067
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: one score game, they're gonna win. And so all those

1068
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: guys that are role players know that it's up to

1069
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: them to make sure that they do everything that they need,

1070
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, within the confines of what they ask in

1071
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: their offense or their defense, to just get their job done,

1072
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: to stay within that one score, to just keep plugging

1073
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: along and given that great effort, that great focus that

1074
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: they need, and that that Patrick is going to make

1075
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: the play. Unfortunately we don't have that guy right now,

1076
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: and so these guys, as soon as one play goes

1077
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: the wrong way, it's like, oh, it's over, and then

1078
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: the focus drops, the effort drops, the intensity drops, and

1079
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: then things get sideways. Whereas a game, when you watch

1080
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: the first quarter, you're going you're feeling really good about things.

1081
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: You're thinking, hey man, you're talking yourself into all the

1082
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: stuff we've talked about pregame. Hey, Buffalo, a lot of

1083
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: adversity this week. They get in town late, they're thinking

1084
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: about their families back home in the blizzard. It was

1085
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be a home game, now it's sort of

1086
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: a neutral site. You jump on him early, you maybe

1087
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: have a chance to get ahead of him. Josh's elbow

1088
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: is hurting. He's not playing at his best right away,

1089
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: but then one play goes wrong and everyone's like, oh,

1090
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: here we go again. Right, it's like, here we go again.

1091
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that we as fans get when

1092
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: we're watching the team. Joe. There's you know, there's two

1093
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: I think people think leadership can know is only just

1094
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: one way. There's two types of there's positive leadership, and

1095
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: there's a million ways to do it, as you've articulated

1096
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: with with mahomes and read and a belief in a

1097
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: quiet and then there you can be chesty, but you

1098
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: have to be honest to yourself, right, you have to

1099
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: be who you are, otherwise it comes across across as

1100
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: not being genuine. The other type of leadership is negative leadership,

1101
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: and it does feel like it's some of the some

1102
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: of the way that we're operating right now, and especially

1103
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: noticed in the post game, it's almost like, well, that's

1104
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: not my fault, that's you. Now, they're not so much

1105
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: point finger point, he's saying it's you, coach, but it

1106
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: is a lot of passing the buck. It's opposed to

1107
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: we aren't right, we screwed this up. It's on you

1108
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean like, it feels like there's other

1109
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: we want to pass the buck a lot right now

1110
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: with this team, and that's almost as disappointing as the results.

1111
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: To me. Yeah, you definitely would like to see people

1112
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: take more ownership post game. I think it Losing is

1113
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: impossible in the NFL. Uh And at first glance, you're like,

1114
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: what what does that mean? Well, what I'm saying is

1115
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: it's impossible to stand up in front of the media

1116
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: after you know, losing what we six of six of

1117
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: the last seven right now, and really say anything that

1118
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna like to hear. Right as coaches, I'm sorry.

1119
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: As a player, I love when coaches stand up and

1120
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: say it's my fault, it's on me, right, like they

1121
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: take it. But then from a fans standpoint, if you

1122
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: you're the coach saying that after a bunche of losses,

1123
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: you're like, we'll call some people out, hold some people accountable, right,

1124
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing with the players, Like

1125
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: if they stand up there and every week it's like, oh,

1126
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: it's my fault, it's my fault, it's my fault, it

1127
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: just kind of feels hollow and phony, like that's just

1128
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: your go to line. So really, in the end, you

1129
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: just gotta play better. You gotta hold each other accountable

1130
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: in those meeting rooms and on the practice field, and

1131
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: then you gotta win because no matter what they say

1132
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: after a game, nobody's gonna be happy with now, certainly you.

1133
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: The last thing you want to hear, though, is it's

1134
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: somebody else's fault. You know, you want to say, maybe

1135
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: if if the player says it's me or it's we,

1136
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: you're you're a little bit more okay with it. But

1137
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: passing the finger or passing the buck by pointing the

1138
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: finger at somebody else, maybe even indirectly or passively, passive aggressively,

1139
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that either. That's probably my least favorite

1140
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: thing to hear after a game. Yeah, it's it's it's frustrating,

1141
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: and you know, then of course everybody gets asked about it, right,

1142
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: So it comes to Fancy gets asked about it, and

1143
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: he's a you know, Miles speaks for Miles, and it

1144
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: just feels like, you know, your star you don't want

1145
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of these types of situations, you know,

1146
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: And it's obviously it happened last year in New England,

1147
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: and it happened you know, it's happened more recently. Feels

1148
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: like every day on Friday, there's some type of subtle

1149
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: comment that has made what would your advice be too,

1150
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: Miles or your advice be to Kevin Stefanski in dealing

1151
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: with that, because it doesn't at least it's not translating

1152
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: to win, so I you can't make the argument that

1153
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: it's productive at this point. Yeah, I think for Miles,

1154
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: he's finding his way to be the leader on this

1155
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: team because clearly he's one of the best defensive players

1156
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's naturally a quiet er guy, but

1157
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: he's accepting the role of leader and trying to be

1158
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: the person within that locker room that players look to,

1159
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: but that he can also hold those other guys accountable.

1160
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: Um and without being in the building, it's hard for

1161
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: me to know like what that looks like when the

1162
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: media isn't there, right, because most of what those guys

1163
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: do during the season, the media is not there to watch,

1164
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: so we have no idea, you know, kind of how

1165
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: players are holding each other accountable and things like that.

1166
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: All we see is what happens on game day and

1167
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: then a little bit of you know, during after practice

1168
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: or during media sessions. Um, and so I think Miles

1169
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out the best way to try

1170
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: to motivate this team because I think one thing that

1171
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: he said that everybody who's a Browns fan believes and

1172
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: is maybe maybe our biggest worry is, Hey, there's some

1173
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: real studs on this team. I mean you look at

1174
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and Myles Garrett, Like those two dudes are

1175
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: real studs. You look on the offensive line Joeb Atonio,

1176
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: why Teller, like Jack Conklin, like there's some real studs,

1177
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, like the Chief this year has

1178
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: been playing really well. Like we got dudes that are

1179
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: in the prime of their career, and you feel like

1180
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: we're kind of wasting it right now. Yeah, it's painful,

1181
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: it is. And and I think, what's really but only

1182
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: those studs can stop it, right I understaying coaches can

1183
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: put them in the right position. But like, yeah, it's

1184
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: a cumulative I mean it's all of it. Yeah, they

1185
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: have to the all of it. I Mean the reality

1186
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: is you're three and Stea, No, We're a three and

1187
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: seven football team, is what we are. And and Joe,

1188
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's gonna be really challenging. Yeah,

1189
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: there's still a glimmer of hope, like you win every

1190
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: game you play, and I suppose that matters when you're

1191
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: in a room, but that's really really difficult. And this

1192
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: thing can really go sideways here too. And that's the

1193
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: last thing I mean, even more so than it already is, Um,

1194
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: you've been in these unfortunately, you know what this is

1195
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit. How do you make

1196
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: sure that that this doesn't go too far off the

1197
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: rails here? Yeah, so putting myself in miles shoes unfortunately

1198
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: being in that situation before and putting and putting myself

1199
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: in Joel's shoes because I know he's one of those

1200
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: leaders on the offensive side of the football. What are

1201
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: you selling to the guys that brings that focus on

1202
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: practice and preparation and then gives you the effort and

1203
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: the focus you need on game day. And if you're

1204
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: sitting up there trying to sell like, oh, we can

1205
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: still make the playoffs, you know what, you may have

1206
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: some guys buying, but you may have some other guys

1207
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: being like that ain't happening right, Like, we're not making

1208
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs where we are right now, especially where we

1209
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: are based on the momentum of the season to this

1210
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: point where we started pretty good and we've really kind

1211
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: of backslid the last six seven games. So you've gotta

1212
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: sell maybe potentially not saying we don't have a chance

1213
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, but you're trying to emphasize something else.

1214
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: So what are you trying to emphasize, Like, hey, guys,

1215
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: this is really important how we finished this season because

1216
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of these dudes are going to

1217
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: be here next year, and we want to finish this

1218
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: season strong for this team and the guys that are

1219
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: going to be here next year, because the Sean's coming

1220
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: back in two weeks and everybody has known since he

1221
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: got here that he's the future of the long term future,

1222
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 1: and we knew it could be tough until he gets

1223
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: back because you're playing with a backup quarterback who, by

1224
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: the way, is exceeded expectations, Like none of this is

1225
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: right now. He's been great, But you need to sell

1226
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: the people that are going to be here next year

1227
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: that we have an opportunity to build something and finish

1228
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: this season strong and then whatever happens with the records happens.

1229
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, we we had this really cold stretch in

1230
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the season, but we were able to

1231
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: finish strong. And then however, the a f C North unfolds,

1232
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: it unfolds. Some of that's going to be out of

1233
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: our control based on Cincinnati in Baltimore, But we want

1234
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: to finish this strong because we're starting to build something

1235
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: for next year when Deshaun is hopefully with us for

1236
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: seventeen games. And oh, by the way, if you're one

1237
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: of those guys that maybe isn't going to be in

1238
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland next year, it's still important because you're trying to

1239
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: find a spot somewhere else in the NFL. It's a

1240
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: little bit like what happens towards the end of the preseason,

1241
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: right the guys that are playing that our starters were

1242
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: trying to put things together and build some momentum for

1243
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: the season, and then the guys that maybe don't make

1244
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: the team. You're trying to make an impact for your

1245
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: own self to be able to find a location somewhere

1246
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: else in the NFL to continue your career. So you

1247
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: may not be thinking playoff and they may not be

1248
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: looking at the records the way you were earlier in

1249
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: the season. But the rest of the season is just

1250
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: as important for this team because there's a lot of

1251
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: dudes that are going to be here and we still

1252
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent here to be able to

1253
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: maybe build something really special for next season. Yeah, and

1254
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: it's sad to think that that's what we're already looking

1255
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: forward to. You know what I mean that is I

1256
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: think that's what's so disappointing for so many of our

1257
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: fans and and obviously the guys on the team as well,

1258
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: that that's that's where we're at. Uh. Yeah, I don't

1259
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: even know what to say. It's not pure joy. It's

1260
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: the opposite. Yeah, it is the opposite. I mean, we

1261
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: want to be sitting here and going hard. You know,

1262
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: we got these games left, and if Cincinnati loses and

1263
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: then you know, Baltimore struggles or you know, you want

1264
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: to be playing that game, that the schedule game that's

1265
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: so much fun. That's where pure joy is for fans,

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Speaker 1: is your team's playing well and you're looking at the

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Speaker 1: playoff race and you're trying to figure out what do

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Speaker 1: we gotta do to win the division or make the

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: playof offs, and then who has to lose and that

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: that makes every game in the NFL then fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's great about the NFL. There's only thirty

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: two teams, so like, for the most part, you've got

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Speaker 1: a rooting interest in almost every single one of those games. Now,

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: of course, it's always fun to cheer against the Steelers

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: and against the Ravens, and you know, it's not as

1276
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: much fun for me to cheer against the Bengals because

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Speaker 1: I do like Joe Burrow personally. I really like who

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: he is as a quarterback and stuff. But are you

1279
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: sure as hell better bet that I'm gonna cheer against

1280
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: him if it means the Browns success or failure within

1281
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: our own division. Um, But like, you lose some of

1282
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: that joy when playoffs is not on the line. So

1283
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: you have to just trying to shift your focus as

1284
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: a player and as a leader on that team to

1285
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: still talk about the importance of building this team. And

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01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: right now, it's almost like bowl practice, right like when

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: you were in college. You know, I was not an

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01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State buck eye, so I didn't get to play

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01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl in the National Championship and play

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01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: for true championships at the end of the season, but

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01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: that bowl practice was still really important because you wanted

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: to win the bowl game obviously, but you're trying to

1293
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: build a unit, camaraderie, coordination, teamwork, make yourself and your

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01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: team better for what you guys have coming back, and

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't always necessarily start after the season, like right

1296
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: now if you don't have playoffs immediately on the line. Hey,

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Deshawn's coming back. Let's build this team and see what

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01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: we are. Our potential is going to be for next

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: season when de Shawn's there the whole year. If you're

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Speaker 1: the best, have a great Thanksgiving buddy, thanks for having me. Guys,

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: he's sticking weight, He's sticking around, but this was it.

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Speaker 1: You're no no, sorry, you guys react No no, no,

1303
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: like I haven't even asked him about You're fired, believable fired.

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Speaker 1: We'll go around the league and we'll get his turkey

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Speaker 1: the Joe Thomas hour. That was my fault. I blew it.

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Speaker 1: You blew it boy. Sorry, that's all right, don't worry

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: about it. Sorry, don't hassle the half. I would never

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01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: I would never do that. Huff. Uh. Let's let's start

1327
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: by going around the A f C. North boys, and

1328
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: uh boy, this was one of the Bengals had to have.

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01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: If you look at their schedule the rest of the way,

1330
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: it's brutal, especially juxtaposition to Baltimore's, which is a cake walk. Um,

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be uphill for Cincinnati win the

1332
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: division anyway. They're a game back. They don't have a

1333
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: tiebreaker right now, but they're not very impressed. They're not.

1334
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: But look up, you have Cincinnati's schedule. I know that,

1335
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: I know a tough balticle. Baltimore's is a cake walk.

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's is absolutely brutal. They had to have it, they

1337
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: got it. I will give credit though to Pittsburgh because

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01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: they're three and six, they're playing with the rookie quarterback,

1339
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: and they had a lot of fight. T J was

1340
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: in there battling Hoff. What did you make of of

1341
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: that in the late window that Bengals win in Pittsburgh. Well,

1342
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's kind of continuing his uh spectacular streak here

1343
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: started out a little bit slow because he missed training camp,

1344
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the appendicitis. And I think as a quarterback,

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: especially a young quarterback UM who relies on a lot

1346
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: of pocket passing, just having that reps in training camp

1347
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: to get the timing down with two receivers, I think

1348
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: it's really important. And when you lose that you lose

1349
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: that little ledge that I think Joe Burrow had at

1350
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: the end of the season, you know, going to the

1351
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Um, but he's got it back obviously. Three

1352
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: fifty five passing yards and four touchdowns against you know,

1353
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: pretty solid Steelers defense when T. J. Watt's breathing down

1354
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: your neck the whole game. UM, impressive, And I like

1355
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: this the Bengals to win the division. I am not

1356
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: impressed with the Ravens. I know that I have an

1357
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: unlimited amount of respect for John Harboron has kind of

1358
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: ability to motivate and and lead and and get those

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: guys to play at their best. Um. But this Ravens

1360
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: offense is is kind of putrid. They only scored what

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: thirteen points against the Panthers, and they had plenty of opportunities.

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01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: I mean, um, I think Lamar Jackson is playing well,

1363
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't have any weapons right now. They

1364
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: can't run the ball and everybody out blitz him, and

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01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: they just don't have any answers. Yeah, I mean, they've

1366
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: got nobody to throw the ball dude down the field.

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01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: He's always relied on his tight ends, but even that's

1368
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of dried up a little bit. Without a running game. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I really believe all that

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Speaker 1: much in the Ravens down the stretch, even though their

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: schedule is quite a bit easier. So just to give

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Speaker 1: you guys an idea, zee, here's Cincinnati at Tennessee, Chiefs

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: at home, US at home at Bucks at Patriots, Bills

1374
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: at home Ravens. That's their next seven. Yeah legit, Yeah ambitious. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with off in terms of what the

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: Ravens have been. They are seven and three, so they

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: have the game advantage, and I don't know that there's

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: an easier stretch here in the league. There at Jacksonville,

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01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: Broncos at home, at Pittsburgh at US Falcons at home,

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: Steelers at home at Bengals. That's Baltimore's last seven. That

1381
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: is tough, but you know what, they're playing good ball

1382
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: right now. And I agree. I didn't want to just

1383
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: quick follow up, and I would love to hear your

1384
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: guys comments. Um. I've been really impressed with Kenny Pickett,

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01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: and I don't like that as a Browns fan, because

1386
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: for a rookie quarterback to kind of play with as

1387
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: much moxie and to see the type of performance he's

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: had so quickly in an offense that I don't really

1389
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: love Matt Canada's offense, to be honest, I don't think

1390
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: it's all that creative. I don't. I don't think it's

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01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 1: real dynamic. Um. But Kenny Pickett's really kind of impressed me.

1392
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: And maybe that that upsets me, maybe more than how

1393
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: the Browns have played right now, because that means that

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: they're not going to have this extended period of looking

1395
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: for a franchise quarterback that kind of a lot of

1396
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: people expected. And they get a lot of weapons and

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: they've got a good ground game with Nagi, so that

1398
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: that helps. Like they can't spin it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He has been better in recent weeks, the last couple, um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean he's a rookie quarterback. He's he's

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01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: finding the way a little bit. And for them, I think,

1402
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, they I think they probably anticipated this to

1403
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: a certain extent that this is how it would go.

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: And I just was impressed that the way that they

1405
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: fought against Cincinnati, Cincinnati had to have it. So Jamaar

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: Chase is out of the out of the crutches and

1407
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: he was walking, and the anticipation is that he's gonna

1408
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: play against Tennessee. So that's the only reason they didn't

1409
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: put him on this week. Back this week is what

1410
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: they're thinking. Nothing official, but that's kind of what what

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01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: they're thinking on at this point is is that's kind

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: of the way that it's going. Um. But long term,

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: when you look at I mean, we are such an

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: unknown long term in terms of what we're gonna look like.

1415
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: We have certain things that we know. We've got young

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01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: guys who are locked in. We know who the quarterback

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01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be, we know the defensive end is gonna be,

1418
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: we know who the interior the offensive line is going

1419
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: to be, and so forth, Nick Chub, etcetera. Um. But

1420
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati long term, their their operation is pretty turn key. Yeah. Yeah,

1421
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: they're set up. They are set up very nicely. UM.

1422
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: I thought Tee Higgins was great yesterday for them leading

1423
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 1: the way. Um they got a lot out of Somagy

1424
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: p Ryan when mix and went down. I liked I

1425
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: like the Bengals when you could This is the way

1426
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: I feel often and maybe it's a philosophical difference that

1427
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm starting to have, but like and and you see

1428
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: the Browns make the move for Watson When you can score,

1429
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: you can play with anybody. I think it's much easier

1430
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: to say that we're good enough to score X number

1431
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: of points every week than it is to say where

1432
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: we have to limit teams to, you know, seventeen every week.

1433
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: I just think that's hard in the NFL today, I agree,

1434
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals can score. Yeah, I agree. And maybe this

1435
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: is my twist of optimism as Deshan comes back in

1436
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 1: two weeks, Like we could have a totally different perspective

1437
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: if Deshan comes back and all of a sudden, this

1438
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: offense is dynamic, like we kind of hope. I mean,

1439
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: we don't know what the expectations are, right, the guy

1440
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: hasn't played NFL football a long time. We don't know

1441
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: what he's going to look like within our offense. But

1442
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: like having that dude at quarterback that can make so

1443
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: many plays, not only throwing it but just winning when

1444
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: things break down with his legs opens up everything in

1445
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: your offense, including your run game. And now our run

1446
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: game had been really good. Obviously, this was one of

1447
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: our worst performances rushing the football, but um, it'll be

1448
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: really fun to see what this team looks like when

1449
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: you got that guy at quarterback because on defense, which

1450
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: has been a massive, massive, I want to say embarrassment

1451
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: on defense this so far, this I don't think. I

1452
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: don't think that's unfair. It's been bad. We thought this

1453
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: defense was going to keep us in a lot of

1454
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: these games until Deshan came back. Right, that was sort

1455
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: of what we were selling. Run game, Jacoby, don't make

1456
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: mistakes great defense. The defense has been bad. And when

1457
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: de Sean comes back and all of a sudden, you're

1458
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: scoring those points at a high clip, Now, maybe that

1459
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: changes the philosophy on defense. What you're saying, Hey, we

1460
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about limiting him to ten or thirteen.

1461
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: We can take more chances, we can be more creative.

1462
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's been one of the fair criticisms

1463
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: of Joe Wood's defense thus far, as like it's kind

1464
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: a basic, and when they've tried to do stuff that's changing,

1465
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: coverage is maybe some different blitz is like they can't

1466
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: communicate in the back end to be able to get

1467
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: it done, and then you leave their best player against

1468
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills wide open in the back of the

1469
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: end zone. And so I think maybe what the philosophy

1470
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: becomes then a little bit as you can take more

1471
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: chances because you know that, hey, so what we gave

1472
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: up a quick touchdown. Our guy on the other side,

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna go get a quick touch on and give

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: it back to us. So, like it just changes how

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: you think of the game and how the game flows

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: when you have that dude to a quarterback. Let me

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: just ask because he just said something there. But you know,

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: we can be more exotic or the stat whatever, and

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: we end up with blown coverages, like and you tell

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. This is me thinking about it

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: as an outside person who was you know, I've been

1482
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: around the team, but I've never been in locker room

1483
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: in the terminology and going through the meetings and the

1484
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: white boards and all of this that. But and and

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: maybe it's different offensive defense, but like they've played cover

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: three and Cover four and Cover two and Cover six

1487
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: and man and all of those things their whole lives.

1488
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: They've played they know the specific rules for each one

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: of those defenses in this defense because it's been the

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01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: same for the last three years. So you should know

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01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: exactly what you're supposed to do when somebody goes to motion.

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: And then you know one, two, three goes from the

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01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: left side to the right side or whatever it is.

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: How does this keep happening or or do do I

1495
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: have it wrong? Are there? And I know there are

1496
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: so many nuances that happened based on a pre snap

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01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: motion or based on you know, if if somebody hits

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: the ten yards as opposed to fifteen yards on their

1499
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: route depth. But these are things that we've been doing

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01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: for three years for a lot of these guys, right, yeah,

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: And first of all, it shouldn't happen, right, So me

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: trying to explain it as not excusing it. It should

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: It's inexcusable. However, the way that NFL defenses are called,

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01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: like your personnel grouping, So let's let's just say it's

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: a f C or whatever they call a defensive uh,

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01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: a defense that's coming in from the sideline that doesn't

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01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: necessarily say okay, it's covered through no matter what. Like

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01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: basically that's saying this week, we're going to do this coverage.

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: If they're in uh, this shift or this formation, and

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01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 1: as that changes, they have to communicate the change in coverage,

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: the change in blitz. So like you may have a

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01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: blitz called but if they get into a certain formation

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: or they motion a certain way. It may be called

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: off because the reason you do that is you're going

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: through the tendencies during the week as you're developing your

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: game plan, and you're saying, hey, we really like these

1517
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: defenses versus this formation or this shift because they've got yeah,

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: they've got this, these three plays that we've seen that

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01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: they'll run out of this and versus those three plays

1520
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: were really comfortable running. Let's say cover four, or we

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: really want to blitz into that because they don't really

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: have a good answer versus that. But as they move

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01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: and as they change, like you have to communicate the

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: changes that are game planned specific for that week based

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: on the offenses, tendencies and how you're defense matches up

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01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: versus those tendencies. And we've really struggled in communicating when

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01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: things change, which is normal, like like you mentioned, they

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01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: know how to run cover three, they don't cover four,

1529
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: they don't cover too, they know Man, they know Robert,

1530
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: they know all those things. But the problem has been

1531
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: as they change based on the game plan, those communications

1532
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: are are not being delivered. And communications is always a

1533
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: two way street, and somebody's gotta give it. Somebody's got

1534
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: to receive it. And I think that's part of the

1535
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: reason why you've heard last week where the defense specifically

1536
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: was getting together and trying to have some players only

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: meetings to make sure that they're on the same page,

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: that they understand the game plan. Because when I was there,

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01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of different defensive coordinators and they

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01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: put in a lot of good defenses. And then as

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: you run them through the week, if they screwed him

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01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: up and the players weren't able to communicate it or

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: some guy missed it, they would just throw that out

1544
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Speaker 1: and then you lose that advantage that you're building in

1545
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: from a schematics standpoints. So the communication is what has

1546
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: been killing them based on what the changes are from

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady and the Bucket here's coming in here on

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Speaker 1: Sunday at one o'clock. I would assume it's his final

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01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: appearance in Cleveland. But with him, who in the heck

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01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: ever knows? How do you have a favorite memory or

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: interaction with Tom through the years? You know, he never

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: would come to the Pro Bowl, so I haven't got

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: a chance to really get to know him all that well.

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01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: I mean we've played him a few times. I would

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01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: share pleasantries. Um. I think my favorite memory though, is

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01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: when Colt McCoy was our starting quarterback and they came

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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. I think Eric Mangini was still our coach

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01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: and we smoked him. I mean it was a molly

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: whop and I want to say thirty three too something.

1576
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: We ran all over him and uh. He got an

1577
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,799
Speaker 1: opportunity tonight to watch Colt McCoy again for the Arizona Cardinals.

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01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna be starting. He is

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01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: in the game in Mexico City, So yes, it should

1580
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: be a fun one. I love watching those international games. Yeah,

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01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: it should be a good environment down there. Absolutely. Yeah.

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01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: And Tom Brady saw his with Chase Winovich, who was

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: with him as rookie season. He's like we were like

1584
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: spirit brothers because of Michigan, Michigan and all of them.

1585
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: But he's he would very much like to sack him.

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01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: I think he would have bring Chase great joy, which

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01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: would be a lot of fun. I got two things

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01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: for you, half. Number One, you're playing for an AX

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01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: this week? Yeah, for for Wisconsin. Um, how how heavy

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01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: is that ax? And and how important it is that

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01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: a season saver for the Badgers? I think it would be. Um.

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01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: You know. Strangely enough, when when I was there and

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: for it seemed like the ten years before and after

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01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: we always whooped Minnesota. There was no question who was

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01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: the better program. But the last couple of years, Minnesota's

1596
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: really surged and obviously Wisconsin has gone in the wrong direction. Unfortunately,

1597
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: we were a bunch of frauds barely beat Nebraska this weekend,

1598
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: but I was happy to get the win and we

1599
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to get the ax back. UM, that

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01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: will be a big one. I think for Jimmy Leonard,

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: he's uh their boil eligible and he's hoping to be

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01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: able to get that job. I'd love to see him

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01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: get the full time job next season and have an

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01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to, um, you know, show what he what he's

1605
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: got as a head coach. He was the coach in

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01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: waiting and it just happened a little quicker than we

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01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: all expected. But certainly it would mean a lot to

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: finish with a big win. Finishing and go into the bowl.

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01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: UM with a win against your your biggest rival. Bring

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: that axe home. And to your point about how heavy

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: is the acts So it's interesting, Like the handle, it's huge,

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01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: it's like four ft long, and the handle is actually

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty heavy. But the axe head itself is not a

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01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: normal metal steel axe. The head is it's would, it's

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01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: painted would, so it's it's much more balanced and lighter

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01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: than you would expect had it been like a full

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01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: on twelve inch metal head. But I think they did

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01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: that because it might be a little dangerous because dudes

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: really do swing that thing around when they're they're parading

1620
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: around the field after capturing the axe from your on

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01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: it half off. If Jim Leonard gets that, is he

1622
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna try to convince you to come share your knowledge

1623
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: with the offensive line at the Badgers. He can sure try.

1624
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be very successful this one.

1625
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: What's your what's your Thanksgiving look like? What do we

1626
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: where are we at? What? What turkeys are we preparing?

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Speaker 1: What else are you doing along with the turkey? What

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: are the m v P sides? Give us a little outlook? Yeah,

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01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: Daddy's always in charge of the turkey. Mom loves Thanksgiving.

1630
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: It's like her favorite holiday because she starts in the

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01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: kitchen at you know, eight am, and she does everything

1632
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: except for the turkey. That's that's my role. And forever

1633
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: I was a deep fried turkey, which is still elite,

1634
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: it's still exceptional. Um, but I actually moved away from

1635
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: doing the deep fried just because I don't know if

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: you guys have heard, but it gets pretty chilly in Wisconsin,

1637
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: and uh, standing outside over a deep fryer for hour

1638
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: and a half or two hours, well, it gives you

1639
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: a good reason to drink some beers. I missed too

1640
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: much football, and now that I'm not as tough as

1641
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: I used to be, or I'm not even tough at all,

1642
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't love setting on in the cold as much.

1643
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: So after a few years of trial and there, I've

1644
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: come to this conclusion that the way to make everybody

1645
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: in the family the happiest is a suvie a couple

1646
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: of turkey breasts, which makes them perfect. I don't even

1647
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: finish them. I just suvie him and then just slice them,

1648
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: and it makes them absolutely perfect for those people that

1649
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: just like a nice, moist, delicious, melt in your mouth

1650
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: turkey breast. I take the skin and I bake it

1651
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: in the oven and it gets real flat and crispy,

1652
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: and then we break it up into like little ice

1653
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: iceberg pieces, um, which is really good because then people

1654
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: can kind of put those on their plate if they

1655
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: like the skin. That makes you know, the kids and

1656
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: some of the women folk happy. And then I take

1657
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: the legs in the wings and then I throw them

1658
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: on the smoker for like three and a half hours

1659
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: internal temperatures like you know, one seventy, based them with

1660
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: butter a couple of times towards the end um and

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: then the men folks who like the dark meat, who

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: like a smoked flavor, which me personally, that's what I

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01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: go for. I'll just grab a whole leg, uh one

1664
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: of the wings myself and I go to Disney just

1665
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: to get a smoke turkey leg. That's right. They go

1666
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: for the ride. Now I'm there for the smoke turkula.

1667
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: It's probably more economical way to do it, though. Yeah,

1668
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: I need to come up with so I'm gonna interest

1669
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to hear you guys. This is something that was new

1670
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: to me. But um, there's some people in my family

1671
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name any names, Annie that don't like

1672
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: the smoked flavor. Um, and so yeah it's weird, like

1673
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: they won't drink Scotch because smokiness, and they don't like

1674
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: a lot of the smoked meats. Like if you suvie

1675
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 1: and then smoke, it doesn't add a lot of smoky flavor.

1676
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: But my offset smoker at the farm where we're gonna

1677
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: be cooking it. We're using real wood, so it makes

1678
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: it real smoky, a great char on the outside. And

1679
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean people that like smoke. It's unbelievable.

1680
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: It's elite. You can't screw it up. Oh it's the best.

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