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Speaker 1: What's up. It's Kaylin backstage with Innovations high School with

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Speaker 1: my new friend Max mixnown McNown.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'd take. I go by many names,

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Speaker 2: not mixed now mick now, but I get Mark mcnone

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Speaker 2: again now mcverb.

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Speaker 1: We were also talking about how people get my name wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, get his name right, get his

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Speaker 2: Ye, you're overthinking it. You're overthinking it.

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Speaker 1: You know what, how are you feeling.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling great. I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, excited for Lallapalooza. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, congrats on

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Speaker 1: the new album.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Night Driving. What does the parentheses mean though? What is

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Speaker 1: the cost of growing up?

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Speaker 2: The cost of growing up? So night diving in general

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Speaker 2: is entering into things that are more difficult to talk

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Speaker 2: about and searching in places that may be metaphorically or

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Speaker 2: literally dark. It was named after an experience I had

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Speaker 2: night diving and I was in the Bahamas and I

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Speaker 2: was scuba diving, and I did five or six daytime dives.

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Speaker 2: Really beautiful, really cool. Night dive was unlike anything I've

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Speaker 2: ever experienced in my entire life. You see things that

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Speaker 2: things that are only found in darkness, and so I thought,

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Speaker 2: Diving the first half represents digging into the darker parts

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Speaker 2: is just the acceptance that the positives and the negatives

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that was a really good representation

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Speaker 1: So basically, you really keep it surface level to dissect

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, I have a really difficult

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Speaker 2: time putting out gut wrenching songs for sure.

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Speaker 1: I love I listened to sad girl music all the time,

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Speaker 1: and so I love your music like shuffling. I have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, I got good chill stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot more free the single Yes, I

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get I mean, the

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Speaker 2: fact that you're doing with this with no notes is

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Speaker 1: Oh really do have notes?

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Speaker 2: It's it's hopeful. It's hopeful, it's I had another interview

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Speaker 2: and it's just kind of it's all two sides of

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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, how do you? And I don't want to

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Speaker 2: Little no me mod up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm like exactly ten two thousand and

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Speaker 2: I give that to my parents. I think my parents

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Speaker 2: I'm a middle child, and so I have two I

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Speaker 2: I've been getting along and dealing with both sides of

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we both you know, it just happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, from the Wandering album to the night Diving release,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. By the way, how scary is

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Speaker 1: but I was really excited to talk to you, not

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Speaker 2: He was the beginning. Tyler Childers and Zach Bryan were

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Speaker 1: And then there's Noah Kan, who I got to interview.

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Speaker 2: With my favorite artist of all time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you understand that when I had to

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Speaker 2: I asked, you have a black eye again? Is that

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Speaker 2: why you're wearing sung? No? I don't, okay.

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Speaker 2: No, no, they're very fashionable, thank you.

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Speaker 2: The goal is to do authentically me, you know, like

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Speaker 2: that isn't me, you know, so like I'm sure talking

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Speaker 2: to me. Now, I'm probably similar to any interviews you've

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Speaker 2: don't have to worry about keeping up some sort of facade.

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Speaker 2: So I try to stay in my own lane. But

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Speaker 2: I am majorly influenced by Noah Khan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes he's wonderful. You are not like every interview.

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Speaker 1: You are engaging, and you are wonderful, and so thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking the time. You know these can be monotonous,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Good meeting you.

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Speaker 3: You too,