1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Uh, we need a record 4 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: scratch from our one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams. 5 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm Ben Noel. This is part two of a two 6 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: part episode. So I think we need to let people know, right, 7 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: you should listen in part one first? Right? Or how 8 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: do you think they should do it? Whatever you want, 9 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: It's up to you. It could be fun to to 10 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: listen to them in the reverse order. Um, but no, 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to do it the traditional way, 12 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: I would. I would go back and listen to part 13 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: one first. It'll give you some good context and the 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: lead up to our studying conclusion. Oh important point. No, 15 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: since this is a two parter, we're going on a 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: strange journey, right, we have to be clear this real 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: life quote unquote Ice Queen did some heinous stuff. But 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: to understand what letter to that, we we need to 19 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: spend some time understanding who she is first, right, that's right? 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Who was Anna Ivanovna Ivanna Iva Ivanovitch a k a 21 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: uh Ivanna the Terrible? Yes, I gotta do something gnarly 22 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: to get a name like that. Um. But again, you know, 23 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: even Ivanna the Terrible was once a helpless small child. 24 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: Uh so let's get into that. Let's hear your story. 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: When she was summoned to the Russian Supreme Privy Council, 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: who wanted to essentially have her take on the crown 27 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: in a symbolic act, much like her father, you know, 28 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: was sort of this figurehead who didn't actually have any 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: functional power. These folks on the Supreme Privy Council grossly 30 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: underestimated on and her ability to manipulate and rule from 31 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: the sidelines, right, well, not even from the sidelines, big 32 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: and bold way. Um. So they did name her Empress 33 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: at this point, after she'd been ruling for about twenty 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: years under that previous title um taken from her husband, 35 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: and the Privy Council made her sign a declaration of 36 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: conditions that she would essentially become, you know, a symbolic 37 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: figure and not rule at all. So, yeah, she becomes 38 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: the ruler of the Russian Empire after signing some paperwork 39 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: that says she's not going to do anything but be 40 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: a figurehead. And she's like, okay, fine, whatever. You know, 41 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: she's probably tired of Corland by now, so she heads 42 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: over to Moscow, and when she arrives, she finds out 43 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: that people don't really dig this Supreme Privy Council. Turns 44 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: out that a bunch of dudes who are gonna name 45 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: themselves something like Supreme Privy Council are pretty into themselves 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: and not fun at parties. So she so she uh, 47 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: she has a lot of support from the military and 48 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the gentry, the landed landed gentry, and so she tears up, 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: she tears up this agreement that she signed. She fires 50 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Privy Council by either killing a couple or 51 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: making them go to Siberia, which at that time, those 52 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: are two very similar punishments. If I'm not mistaken. This 53 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: is the period in Russian history that kind of established 54 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: these brutally um cruel kind of prisons in Siberia. That 55 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, you always hear about Siberia 56 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: being notoriously inhospitable, let's say, and people were not sent there, 57 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, to serve a sentence and be rehabilitated. They 58 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: were sent there to die. Yeah, right now, just just 59 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: just for a reference, right now, in a world of uh, 60 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: central heating and air conditioning. This is the kind of 61 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: weird stuff we look up, folks. Right now it is 62 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: three degrees fahrenheit and Siberia, what is it with wind? 63 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Shall I wonder? See that's a good question, Max. I 64 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: hope that we never We never anger Russian leader enough 65 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: to have to figure that out on our own or 66 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: experience it. I should say so. Yes, Siberia at this 67 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: time very much like a death sentence, and it's also 68 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: crippling these people's political ambitions. So she fires everybody or 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: kills them, and then she declares an autocracy. She is 70 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: the ruler of the empire, and she doesn't really care, 71 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: and so weird. She doesn't care. According to most of 72 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: the historical record, she relies on her paramore, this kind 73 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: of friends with benefits situation for a while, uh Ernst 74 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Johann von Beren and a couple of folks from Germany 75 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: to be her advisors, and she's like, you guys handle 76 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: the day to day. I'm gonna have fun. I'm gonna 77 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: shoot guns, and I'm gonna get wild animals from all 78 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: around Russia. The bears from the Elbow reference earlier, and 79 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: the tigers and the deer and all that stuff, and 80 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: I want you to take them to my house so 81 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: I can shoot them. That's like my main thing. I 82 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: wanted you as the head of an empire. You know, 83 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: other people have probably done done similar things, but she 84 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: was super into it. And she was also into extravagant 85 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: forms of entertainment and very similarly cruel uh kind of 86 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: pageants of humiliation, just like Peter the Great was. I mean, 87 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: even if someone is like hateful and treats you like garbage, 88 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: if they're the only, you know, model for behavior that 89 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: you have, you're probably gonna end up a good bit 90 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: like them. And that kind of you know treatment and 91 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: almost like Stockholm syndrome that she was unfortunately subjected to, 92 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: really did a number on her psychologically. It would seem 93 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: so in this, you know, extended into her policy as well. 94 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: I mean, she was seen as a very aggressive ruler. 95 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: She got entangled in the War of Polish Succession UM, 96 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: which placed a pro Russian king on the Polish throat. 97 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: She was also involved in the rust So Turkish War 98 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: of seventeen thirty six uh, and the outcome of that 99 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: war um was pretty gnarly. I mean, it cost tremendous 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: amounts of cash and loss of life, and the territory 101 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: that Russia gained from this wasn't exactly prime real estate. 102 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: It didn't have the warm water outlet to the sea 103 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: that I think, you know, folks were hoping that we 104 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: will get um from something that cost that much, you know, 105 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: in terms of life and uh and capital. So she 106 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: had this reputation of kind of continuing Peter the Seconds policies. 107 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: On the inside of her court. It was known as 108 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: a very very dark time by nobles because it just 109 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: seemed like she wasn't making decisions that benefited the realm, 110 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: let's just say, all the while while getting more and 111 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: more bitter and cruel uh, and that stuff began to 112 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: manifest itself in some pretty horrific ways. Yeah. So there's 113 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: a lot of geopolitical stuff that is not going in 114 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Russia's favor in the long term, and she is not 115 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: in charge day to day on these decisions. The Russian 116 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: nobles that no you just mentioned, their main resentment is 117 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: this Ernst Guy, Ernst Johann von Bern And they're saying, look, 118 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: this foreigner, this non Russian, is in charge of everything. 119 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: And because he's an easy target to dislike, as a foreigner. 120 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: Anything that goes wrong, they're gonna blame him, and they're 121 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: gonna blame her. And right, yeah, she she appointed him 122 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: and he was a Baltic German and so he you know, 123 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: it was almost like, I don't know whether she lacked 124 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: the foresight to see what a diplomatic kind of blunder 125 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: this might be, or how it would be seen as 126 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: an insult, or whether she was literally doing it to 127 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: poke a finger in the eye of the nobles. It's 128 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: not really clear, but the fact that she was distrusted, yes, yes, 129 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: And so now we have laid the groundwork, Max, We're 130 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: gonna need a very like dark, like heavy sound cue. 131 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: This is where we go into the deep water. Oh nice, 132 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh wow, perfect. So here's the thing for these various 133 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: reasons for the having to witness that spectacle of that 134 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: mockery of her own wedding and not being allowed to 135 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: marry again, and then being um appointed as a figurehead 136 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: and becoming an actual ruler because people continually underestimated her. 137 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: Anna hates marriage, and and there's this thing that happens. 138 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: There's a guy named Mikhail Alexeyevich Galitzan, and he is 139 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: we'll just call him Prince Michale. Uh, he's old money. 140 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: He marries this lady, she's Catholic, she's Italian. It was like, um, 141 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: they were actually happy and this super piste her off. 142 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: She was not cool with it. Uh. Unfortunately, Prince Mikhale's 143 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: wife died shortly after they were married, and you would 144 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: think that was the end of it. But Anna had 145 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: the power and the means and the motivation to do 146 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: some really messed up stuff to this Michael guy. She 147 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: actually compelled him to become a court jester. He had 148 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: to pretend to be a chicken. That was like his 149 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: common bit. Uh. So, if you came to see the 150 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: ruler of Russia at this time, you would also see 151 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: the former Prince Mikhale sitting on a nest of eggs 152 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: and like the lobby where you meet this lady, and 153 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: he would have to pretend to be laying eggs when 154 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: visitors came to Is that not weird? Like we have 155 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: done so many shows on weird historic flexes, and we 156 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: never talked about that one. I feel like I have 157 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: to call Miles and Jack. I'm kidding. It's it's don't 158 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: call people, just text. It's also like six am in 159 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: l a right now. Oh yeah, you're right. I didn't 160 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: think about that. But not sex to leven it's bad, 161 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: am it? But will we stow it? People don't know 162 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: what time it is right now, Landed. Yes, that's how 163 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: amazing a producer Max is. So this is where we 164 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: get to um, this is where we get to the 165 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: the even weirder part. This is why the title says 166 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: ice palace on a is still pitt She's making this 167 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: guy be a pretend to be a chicken for the 168 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: rest of his life, which is so weird. And she 169 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: still wants to prove some point. And maybe it's to Catholicism, 170 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: maybe it's to the industry of marriage, which is very 171 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: much an industry, or maybe it's just I don't know, man. 172 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: She was going through some stuff. In nine she um 173 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: she ordered the construction of an ice palace, like a 174 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: literal ice null a literal ice palace. Yeah, and under 175 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: different circumstances this would be considered like a massive feat 176 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: of engineering, like something that should be marveled upon as 177 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: as a thing of beauty. It was made of giant 178 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: blocks of ice eighty feet long and thirty three ft high, 179 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,479 Speaker 1: and the blocks of ice were essentially, you know, cemented 180 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: together with water. Um, this thing would have been beautiful. 181 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: It cost thirty thousand roubles roughly half a million dollars 182 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: in today's cash to construct this thing. It was even 183 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: fitted with ice furniture, an ice bed with ice pillows 184 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: and ice clocks, and you know, an elephant statue that 185 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: spouted water from its trunk, also made of ice. And 186 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: as to mention that there was a dude sitting inside 187 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: of it at all times that could blow a horn, 188 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there was no shortage of humiliating god awful 189 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: jobs in this era of Russia. Absolutely bizarre. This thing 190 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: you should have been a sight to behold, you know, 191 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: a point of pride for the realm, you know, but no, 192 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: In fact, it was constructed as a torture chamber because Anna. 193 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Let's just remember that Anna was angry at Prince Mikhail 194 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: because he was happy, because he and his bride were happy, 195 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: and even after she died, for whatever reason, she felt 196 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the need to continue to torture him. So first of all, 197 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: she arranges a marriage between him and one of her maids, 198 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: a woman from Kalmick named Avdotya Ivanovna uh weird, same 199 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: last name must have been super comment or maybe the 200 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: originally it was bullshit. You I'm gonna you take the 201 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: last name of the person whose whose staff you're on. Yeah. Yeah, 202 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the it was a forced marriage. You're absolutely right. Avdotya 203 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and Mikhail did not. I I don't think it was 204 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: a romantic situation for them. And how strange history is 205 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Noel Max that the person who got made fun of 206 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: with a fake wedding forces these folks into a wedding. 207 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: She's very neat. Yeah for this messed up since of humor. 208 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: She made her maid. Her maid was quite old and 209 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: also considered to be not particularly attractive, ugly, sup, we're 210 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: just talking to the This is what the people was said, 211 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: This was what the record shows, and it was meant 212 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: to be a humiliation, a further humiliation. Yeah yeah. So, 213 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: so imagine the ruler of Russia has made you act 214 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: like a chicken in front of people, and now you 215 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: have to marry this older person, elderly person that maybe 216 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: you don't think is attractive, and you get you have 217 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: to they have to dress up as clowns. This poor 218 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: old lady, the maid didn't do anything to deserve this treatment. 219 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: And a ride and elephant just to give you a 220 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: sense of the scale of mockery here, people are laughing 221 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: at them. She uh, on a pis a group of 222 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: folks that she thinks are because she's also super racist. 223 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: Let's be honest people. Yeah, people that she thinks are uh, 224 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: what's the phrase? Slate dot com is a great article 225 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: where they used the phrase ethnically undesirable or people who 226 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: are deformed or physically handicapped. And this wedding and they're 227 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: they're like parading behind this wedding procession again super It's 228 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: just you picture this in your mind and it's just 229 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: the most ghastly maccob kind of scene. It was some 230 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: like Searcy Lanister Game of Thrones type stuff. Why would 231 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: you do that? Yeah? And and so right after the wedding, 232 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the couple Makale and Avdotya I have to go in 233 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: this ice palace and sleep in it for their wedding night, naked, 234 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: no blankets, no clothing, no like tapestries hung on the wall, 235 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: no pleasant fires. And this is in winter. The the 236 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: rumor is, it's not proven, but the rumor is that 237 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: on A told these folks something like, well, the only 238 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: way you can survive is to have six all night. 239 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: M hmm, Like that's really messed up. And she clearly 240 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: thought they were going to die, right, that was the intense, 241 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: That was the intent. I mean, these Russian winters are 242 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: no joke. They're naked there in this you know, ice palace. 243 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: Every entrance and exits being guarded so they can't leave. Apparently, 244 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: there is speculation that they bribed one of the guards 245 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: in some way to get a coat or something like that, 246 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: and then that's what helped them survive the night. But 247 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: they have both emerged in like super weakened conditions, and 248 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: historians believe that they you know, we're in such poor 249 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: health that they died a few days later due to pneumonia, 250 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: most likely, right Avdoltia likely passed away due to pneumonia. 251 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: And there's a there's sort of a pixaresque legend that 252 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: the couple went on to live happily ever after and 253 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: have twins conceived that night, But that's that's not true. 254 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: Pixar is getting really dark right there, Like Pixars like, yeah, 255 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: let's conceive and then and then it wouldn't it be 256 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: funny if this was like a secret like part of 257 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: like the Frozen lore you know, and and then the 258 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: children they bore where Elsa and Anna and to have 259 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: magical snow power. Villain from the first the villain from 260 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: the first movie. He has been sent to the ice 261 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: palace by Elsa. We go that that's between the movie 262 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: story right there. We go, Yes, uh, this he's beautiful 263 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: and you guys should be in charge of more things. 264 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: That's a wonderful idea. Uh now, just just just for 265 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: the record, I know that Elsa Ana. We're not Russian. 266 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: They were like Scandinavian in some ways. I'm just saying 267 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: this is like a fan thick version. I mean, guys, 268 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: we gotta go somewhere that has an ice palace. They 269 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: have an ice palace and it's frozen. We're not making 270 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: too big of a jump here, I think, yeah, and 271 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: and ice palaces are a real thing. Well, okay, let's 272 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: get through the let's get through the tough stuff and 273 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: then we'll we'll end on a nice palate cleanser. So 274 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: after doing this pretty dastardly stuff to this, uh, this 275 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: completely innocent maid and this Michale guy on a I mean, 276 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: who admittedly may not have been completely innocent, like he 277 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: was part of the class that sort of spurned her 278 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: in our miliary movie, he's probably one of the bullies 279 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: in the background, or one of the yah he's like, 280 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: or whole whole you know, whatever the dumb teenage laugh is. 281 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: But those were very Those were not bad beavis and 282 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: butt heads, thanks guys. So she dies on a Ivanovna 283 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: dies the next October. She is relatively young, she's forty 284 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: seven years old, Noah airs. And rumor has it that 285 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: if you go to Russia right now in and you 286 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: ask who is the worst person who has ever been 287 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: in charge of this whole you know, this whole place, 288 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: this whole gig, Who's who's the worst one? People will 289 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: say Anna Ivan, which is weird because Stalin's in the mix, 290 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: Like that's even the o g the terrible Ivan. Um, 291 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, she's considered worse than him. Also because remember 292 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: she made some pretty kind of wacky geopolitical choices as well, 293 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: and just didn't really care about governing in a way 294 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: that benefited you know, the people and and the the nation. Also, 295 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: by the way, not to revel in a little bit 296 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: of shod and fraud, because honestly, she's it's a tragic story. 297 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: She was made into what she became, you know. I mean, 298 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: of course we all have choices, you know, but like 299 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: absolute power corrupts absolutely, as the old cliche goes, But 300 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: it's a cliche for a reason because there's truth to it. 301 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: And if you're already are being fueled by resentment and 302 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: hatred uh and bitterness, then that power is going to 303 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, be pretty um uh intoxicating and allow you 304 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: to kind of like enact your revenge on any perceived enemy. 305 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: To her was like everybody you know, or anyone that 306 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: was perceived as being happy. And again not to rebel 307 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: in any shot in for it here. But she did 308 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: die a slow, horrible death. She had some long standing 309 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: kidney problems um that developed into an outright kidney stone 310 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: that you know, nowadays we know that as being a 311 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: very very painful thing. But there's you can zap it 312 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: with a laser, there's like medication you can take to 313 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: bust them up. There's all kinds of different things, but 314 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: in these days, it would have been a slow, potentially slow, horrible, 315 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: painful death. Sentence. If anyone watches the show Deadwood, if 316 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: you haven't mild spoiler by the thing that happens to 317 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: a character maybe skipped the next thirty seconds. But al 318 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Swer and gin Um, who's like this the kind of 319 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: evil you know, Saluno and or he's he's miss easy, 320 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: he's got He ends up kind of coming round in 321 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: an interesting way. Um, but he has a kidney stone 322 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and you see him try to pass it himself, and 323 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: it's just the most excruciating thing I've ever seeing. The 324 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: acting is fantastic, and you know, there's blood and horrible 325 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: sounds and animal noises and moaning, and you think the 326 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: guy's gonna die. But this, in fact did happen to 327 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: Anna Ivanovna. She died, presumably after suffering for quite a while. 328 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: And now we get to I. I sometimes I think 329 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: of this as I call it the Pope question or 330 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: the or the Roman question. You read all these crazy 331 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: stories about rulers of the past, and you have to wonder, 332 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: are are they true? Right? Is is this character this cold, 333 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, and this this messed up in this distant 334 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: from the concept of empathy? Or is this a bunch 335 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: of trash talking? Is this stuff that folks spread as 336 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: propaganda because they didn't care for for one reason or another, 337 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: maybe because she was messing with the Germans who knows. 338 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: We have to point out that she didn't. It wasn't 339 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: all bad stuff. She did other things. Her administration created 340 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: the Naval Cadet Corps. She also continued to grow the 341 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: Academy of Science, which includes the Russian Ballet, which is 342 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: a very impressive world class thing. But now she is 343 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: remembered for better or worse. Isn't that a wedding reference 344 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: to I do a wedding reference in sickness and in health? 345 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, until death, you know, from freezing 346 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: to death and an ice palace? Do do? Do weeep art? 347 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: You guys are killing it with the riffs today. Yes, 348 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: she uh, she is remembered as this crazy person who 349 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: made this guy do these terrible things and victimized an 350 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: elderly person. I don't know, man, Yeah, this is this 351 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: is dark. So I have a proposition to make this 352 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: a little less dark. First, we did establish that this 353 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: is kind of a rumor. Historians generally agree this is 354 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: what happened, but it's possible it could be exaggerated or 355 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: embellished or propaganda. Uh, And we can't end on that. 356 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: So I was thinking, Noel Max, maybe we could send 357 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: a inspiring message to the people who have listened to 358 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: this episode and thought immediately that sounds great. I want 359 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: to sleep in a place made out of ice. Well, 360 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: bring bring your parka, you know, and maybe some nice leggings, 361 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: some long John's, perhaps that. Yeah, you give a butt 362 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: flap or no butt flap? What's your prep? I'm know, 363 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: butt flap guy. I'm gonna be honest, you know, understandable. 364 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: You choose them wisely, choose those, choose those number two 365 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: moments wisely. You know, I don't know if they make 366 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: them the butt flaps anymore. That's more like they do. Okay, 367 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: let's picture of the old prospector with the with the 368 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: butt flaps on his long johns. Yeah, but those were 369 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: if you, if you think about it, the long John's 370 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: you're imagining are actually a kind of a onesie. They 371 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: were top and bottom, so it's it's right tougher to 372 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: take it off. Yeah. I think about this an ordinate 373 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: amount of time. I just typed in long John's butt flap. Uh, 374 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: and I guess I guess some results that wasn't expecting. 375 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: So no, are you doing that on the work computer 376 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: because that might not be good. No, it's fine. We've 377 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: talked about this plenty at this point between this show 378 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: and stuff they don't want you to know. Our our 379 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: Google search history is unimpeachable. You know, no matter what, 380 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: there's always a reason. There's always a reason. Yeah, it's 381 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting. So here we go. Men's trapdoor long underwear 382 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: from River Junction Trading Company is still considered kind of 383 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: an old timey thing that's called a trapdoor. A trapdoor. Well, 384 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna pick the argument for for the trap door. 385 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: Four of the buttons in the back. Okay, so you're 386 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: in a nice palace. Do you really want to get 387 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: the whole onesie off? Do you get give me really cold? 388 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't really I'm with you, 389 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: really cold, you get your business done? You're you're absolutely correct, 390 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: you were, well, yes, if you're wearing a onesie. See 391 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: the move is just where you got your long John bottoms. 392 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: And I don't know what you're calling your top John's 393 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: or whatever, thermal underwear, right, it's it's it's cool if 394 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: you don't have a onesie. But we also have a 395 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of our fellow ridiculous historians listening to the show 396 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: today have been in you know, like uh, probably a 397 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: very beautiful dress that's very difficult to like navigate doing 398 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: your business in. I would go a step further. I 399 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: would say, trap door is on more clothing. Why does 400 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: it have to be long? John's only? Why are we 401 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: saving that for winter? Everyone agree, I've got to trouble No, no, no, 402 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're spot on, Ben, And I will say, 403 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: if you're interested and checking these out for yourselves, go 404 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: to river Junction dot com and search for men's trapdoor 405 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: long underwear. They are a little pricey. There's sixty dollars, 406 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: but they're bright red, which makes me think of which 407 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: makes me think of the clown tights that supposedly are 408 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: responsing pink lemonade um. And they've got a little history 409 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: on here. Also known as a union suit, a type 410 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: of one piece long underwear created in Utica, New York, USA, 411 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: and originated as women's wear during the nineteenth century United 412 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: States clothing reform efforts as an alternative to constricting garments, 413 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: and soon gained popularity among men as well. The first 414 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: union suit is patented in eighteen sixty eight as an 415 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: emancipation union under flannel and you can go, uh, you 416 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: can go to actual ice hotels, folks, you can take 417 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: your union suit with you. Uh. There are ice hotels 418 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: in Sweden, in Norway, there's uh several in Canada, Romania, Finland, 419 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: and they look pretty nice. You do get blankets. You'll 420 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: won't be forced to hang out naked with someone that 421 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: you don't want to be naked with. Is that cool? 422 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Is that too long for a tagline for these hotels? No? Man, 423 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: that you're just gonna have to be getting. You have 424 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: to get creative with the graphic design. But no, I 425 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: think it's definitely but it's definitely very fetching. I certainly 426 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: would be intrigued. That's mainly our story today. We've got 427 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: some additional details about the the horrific charade that was 428 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: the mock wedding that Peter the Great put on presumably 429 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: the kind of kicked off all of this, you know, misery, 430 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna spare you those details. You've 431 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: got an off doom and gloom in this episode to 432 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: get us through. It was enough doom and gloom to 433 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: make this a two parter um. So we hope you've 434 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed part two of Ivana the Terrible or Anna Ivanovna. Yeah, yeah, 435 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: the spiteful Russian Embrice who waged an icy war on love. Uh. 436 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Thanks to our one and only super producer, Max Williams. 437 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: Thanks to the man himself, Kacy Pegrum. Thanks to Gabe Louisier, 438 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: our research associate Alex Williams who composed our theme uh 439 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Eve's Jeff cos here in spirit along with Christopher hasiotis 440 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: um mufassa style watching down on us from the heavens. Uh. 441 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: And thanks to you ben Um for for going on 442 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: this um kind of sadistic, dark twisted ride uh with me. Uh. 443 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: This was not what I would call our most fun episode. 444 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Well hopefully we injected a little bit of ridiculousness into 445 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: the procedure. Well we don't. We don't know. Be clear 446 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: with everyone, Noel, and thank you for coming with me 447 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: on this as well. Thank you to all our ridiculous historians. 448 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: But we don't know how this episode is gonna sound 449 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: once Max has done is magic Like that part you 450 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: heard earlier in this two part series when I was like, oh, 451 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: it gets dark, you know Max do that, and then 452 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: just paused and said, perfect, we don't know what he played. 453 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: I hope. Why don't give away all of our trade secrets. 454 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: There's the magic. No, the magic. We we do all 455 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: the sound effects. Max with an organ. It's crazy. It's 456 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: crazy because it's one of those church organs that's like 457 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: built into his house. It's weird, man, Thanks for doing 458 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: the shop right next to the giant Grandfather Clark. Yeah, 459 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: that's that. That one's at my house all right, Noel, 460 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want you to learn about it this way 461 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: on the on the air. But yeah, Max and I 462 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: are roommates right on. It's okay by that. We're quite 463 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: literally in the same room. I'm on the left side, 464 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: bends on the right. So who gets the top punk. 465 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: We just we have a we just have a twin 466 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: size bed. Getting it together. That's adorable. Ice palace. Also, yeah, 467 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: you know this is uh you live at this house too, 468 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: that room you never opened the door to. Yeah, I 469 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: need that. I need that. Sorry. I'm good at playing 470 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: along with bets. That's what I'm good at. Well, let's 471 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's in the episode. I think. Okay, we'll 472 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: see you next time. Folks. For more podcasts from my 473 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 474 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.