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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Golf Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. I am John Schmilki,

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Speaker 1: is Paul to Tito, and the phone number party is

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Speaker 1: two one four five on three. Give us a call.

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Speaker 1: We have a bunch of guests today, but we'll try

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Speaker 1: to squeeze in a few calls in between. The guests,

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Speaker 1: as usual, are our next the final day of college

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Speaker 1: draft prospects, talking to people from the individual schools, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get Florida State Beat reporter for those seven Brendan

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Speaker 1: Sonoon at twelve or five and a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll have Iowa reporter Rob how from Hawkeye Nation

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Speaker 1: Blog at twelve twenty, and then a prerecorded interview with

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Speaker 1: Rob Bryan that I recorded late yesterday afternoon. That'll air

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Speaker 1: at around twelve forty. But we'll try to squeeze in

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Speaker 1: your calls in between. It's not a ton of prospects

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Speaker 1: we meet school Paul, so we'll try to get to

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Speaker 1: him relatively quickly. Um, but we are now just over

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Speaker 1: a week away from the draft and it's coming fast

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Speaker 1: and furious. And like I said, and I had this

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Speaker 1: conversation with Rob Rang and I asked Rob. Actually, so, Rob,

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Speaker 1: you're talking to people on the league. Our impression is

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Speaker 1: that nobody has any idea what the Giants are gonna do.

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Speaker 1: What's your impression of talking to gms and Scottsy goes

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Speaker 1: they have no idea what the Giants are gonna do.

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Speaker 1: So right now, even though the Browns hold to the

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Speaker 1: top four picks, he said it, Rob said it today.

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Speaker 1: He thinks the Giants hold the key to how this

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Speaker 1: draft is gonna go, and they're kind of the full

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Speaker 1: crumb point here in round number one. Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. And and you know, the interesting part for

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Speaker 1: me is we haven't heard much burn for maybe the

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Speaker 1: Browns talking to the Giants about flopping picks two and

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Speaker 1: four because they're not gonna do it. Okay, here's the

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Speaker 1: interesting That's why we're not here any burn. Here's the

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Speaker 1: interesting part. If they really want to take the quarterback

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Speaker 1: of their choice and don't want to wait the four,

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Speaker 1: they gotta take them at once, and that's what they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do. Fine, And then if they really want Chubb

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Speaker 1: or if they really want Barkley and one of those

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Speaker 1: but if they did, Chubb to me is more likely.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Uh, to get the book end

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Speaker 1: defensive ends. Well, you know what, I could see a

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Speaker 1: deal where they've got three second round picks in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I could see them offering the Giants a deal to say,

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Speaker 1: what's it gonna take to flop two and four with you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. I can see it and

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Speaker 1: well and we'll Brandon, We'll get to you in one second.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're the GM of the Browns, just

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Speaker 1: sitting there at four, is the difference between Quent Nelson

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Speaker 1: and Bradley Chubb two second round picks depends on how

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Speaker 1: much you think that the book and defensive ends are

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Speaker 1: gonna be very powamount to your rebuilding. The correct answer

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Speaker 1: to that question is no. And if you're the GM,

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Speaker 1: there's no way you would trade Quent Nelson in two

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Speaker 1: second round picks to get Bradley Chubb. You know, would you?

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Speaker 1: I don't think what this isn't this isn't about. Ask

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Speaker 1: if you were the GM of the Browns, would you

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Speaker 1: do that trade? Oh? If I were, no, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what if they don't feel that that that

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Speaker 1: that that's what's possible. But that's the point. I like

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Speaker 1: to use logic and some of these things. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks who think the Browns really would

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Speaker 1: love to get their hands on Chub to put him

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Speaker 1: on the opposite book. I don't know if it's worth

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Speaker 1: two second round picks. We can get starters with those picks. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I got news for you. It'd be a lot more

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Speaker 1: than that to move up two spots. Oh to move

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Speaker 1: up to to four? Oh yeah, Jets took three twos

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Speaker 1: to move up three spots to two twos to move

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Speaker 1: to get to get to to get the two got

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Speaker 1: the three. Yeah, but two is higher than three? Is

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Speaker 1: the four is higher than six? You got to get

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Speaker 1: more than what the Jets got. I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 1: But Pa, that's not gonna happen. You're moving up two

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Speaker 1: spots instead of three. How are you getting more than what?

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Speaker 1: Because you're getting because you're getting the second overall pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the third overall pick. Look, you can live

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Speaker 1: in the world you want to live in. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you in my world, I'm telling you it's the only way.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna happen, but I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: I would be willing to swap the two in the

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Speaker 1: know what, if you get to the deadline they offer

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Speaker 1: for one because to to trade out of the number

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Speaker 1: getting the player you wanted for so you don't have

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Speaker 1: to totally rip off the other team. Depends on how

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Speaker 1: then you don't make the trade. If if the very

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Speaker 1: don't want to be sitting behind the Jets because oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, maybe the Jets want the quarterback that

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Speaker 1: should you should, right, I mean, I'm just giving hypotheticals.

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Speaker 1: what makes sense to me because I wouldn't do it. Well,

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Speaker 1: does it makes sense exactly? So we're the same base

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Speaker 1: on the Browns. The Browns, it doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 1: at all, right, so why are we discussing it? Of

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Speaker 1: course in the Cleveland Browns. That's why they're Charlie Browns

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Speaker 1: of football. That's a point. All right. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: our first guest, Brendon snow covers the seven Olds. For

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Speaker 1: those seven Brendon, I apologize for having to sit through

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Speaker 1: me and Paul's little squabbles here, and we appreciate your patience,

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Speaker 1: I throw out a mad scientist theories? But go ahead

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Speaker 1: enjoy all right? What if the Cleveland Browns they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do this. What if they took two quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: well with the crap, shoot, let's take let's get one quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Brandon, I think that actually is

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Speaker 1: not as impossible as some of the other stuff I've heard.

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Speaker 1: And you know what if both guys end up being

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Speaker 1: your first round pick back, right, I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But the NFL dropped such a crapshoot. Especially, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would be funnier if somebody had a leftover index

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, anyone? I think Paul had a couple of

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Speaker 1: and that's Derwin James Um coming off the injury, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought he kind of started slow

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Speaker 1: the roof. He could do just about anything you want

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of experience. Brendan Uh your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on what you've seen from Derwin James Is he really

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, A couple of reputable publications put him as

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Speaker 1: So for him, that's the issue and take. I think

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Speaker 1: the big thing, guys is he has dealt with some injuries, uh,

430
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Speaker 1: and I think that slowed him down in his development.

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Speaker 1: I think he is worth being drafted for sure, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably in the fourth or fifth round. I

433
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Speaker 1: think he's worth you know, that kind of value because

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Speaker 1: he's a big guy who's really athletic going up to

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Speaker 1: get the ball. I just think there's some limitations that

436
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Speaker 1: we've seen right now. Both one athletically to to where

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Speaker 1: uh he's struggles to get separation. Well, that's not a

438
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Speaker 1: huge deal because he's so tall. I wonder what he's

439
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Speaker 1: gonna do against top tier cornerback to the NFL, but um,

440
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Speaker 1: you know he has had some injury issues. I think

441
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Speaker 1: that's kind of slowed down and hinder his stock. And

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Speaker 1: then in a lack of production on his end in

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Speaker 1: the college level. Well you know, again, I only look

444
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Speaker 1: at cut up, so I I can't say on a

445
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Speaker 1: play by play basis what corners did to him. But

446
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Speaker 1: with his size, I'm going to guess there wasn't a

447
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Speaker 1: lot of press coverage or jamming at the line. People

448
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Speaker 1: will probably give in him some cushion. Did you see

449
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Speaker 1: much of that, because when he gets to the NFL,

450
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Speaker 1: even if he's a red zone guy, they will jam

451
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Speaker 1: him at the line, knowing that he doesn't have to

452
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Speaker 1: speed to get around. Yeah. I'm trying to remember if

453
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Speaker 1: there was anyone that just really got up in his

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Speaker 1: face and and pressed him. I think that was typically

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Speaker 1: how teams approached him. Was the opposite of that was

456
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Speaker 1: to give him, Yeah, m a little bit of cushion,

457
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Speaker 1: which makes sense, But so I guess that's kind of

458
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Speaker 1: a in my mind as I as I look at

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Speaker 1: him and I'm trying to remember it off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head. I don't I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: something I can say, is the strength or weakness of

462
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Speaker 1: his game. To be honest with you, I don't know

463
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Speaker 1: of anyone really how he was tested at the point

464
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Speaker 1: of attack like that coming off the line, and and

465
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Speaker 1: that will hurt him because they'll get in his grill

466
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I'm telling you that right now, they

467
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Speaker 1: will get in his grill. I don't care if he's

468
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Speaker 1: a red zone guy or not. They will jam him

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Speaker 1: on the line, they won't let him get free, and

470
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now he'll be he'll be

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Speaker 1: rendered useless. So that's something that people are gonna have

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Speaker 1: to figure out. Brendon, I got, Brandon, I got one

473
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Speaker 1: final question. Any anybody else from the group of Florida

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Speaker 1: State prospects coming at that you really like that, You

475
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Speaker 1: maybe think he's getting short change a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: you think team should would be targeting maybe late day

477
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Speaker 1: to early day three that you think can make an impact. Well,

478
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Speaker 1: I'll preface it with this, I don't know if I

479
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Speaker 1: would spend a draft pick on either of these two

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Speaker 1: guys at least until private seventh round, but they're worth

481
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Speaker 1: looking at based on athleticism and upside and two linebackers,

482
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Speaker 1: Matthew Thomas and Jacob Pugh. Matthew Thomas has been pretty

483
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Speaker 1: productive the last two years, and he came to Florida

484
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Speaker 1: State as a five star recruit back in I think

485
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Speaker 1: he was. He was ranked between somewhere and come out

486
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Speaker 1: of high school, between Jaylen Smith and then Uh, who's

487
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Speaker 1: the linebacker type that the Redskins drafted from Alabama a

488
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Speaker 1: year ago? Oh? Alan can't remember? Yes, yeah, Alan, yep.

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Speaker 1: He was ranked right in between those two guys coming

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Speaker 1: out of high school. And matt Thomas was a blue

491
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Speaker 1: ship prospect. But he's a guy who dealt with a

492
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Speaker 1: couple of suspensions, one for half a season, one for

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Speaker 1: a full season. Field stuff and the injuries. Uh, but

494
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Speaker 1: you look at his if you pull up as his

495
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Speaker 1: athletic testing, it's pretty special what he can do. I

496
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Speaker 1: think f SU had him playing inside linebacker, which I

497
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Speaker 1: don't think was his strength. He had to think a

498
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Speaker 1: little bit too much where he got you know, he

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Speaker 1: just seemed rigid. Uh. I would just put him on

500
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Speaker 1: the edge and let him, you know, kind of do

501
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Speaker 1: his thing as as an athlete and let him be

502
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Speaker 1: like a pass rush specialist. I think he has some

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Speaker 1: upside at the next level. And then then Pugh is

504
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Speaker 1: another guy who was kind of misused at Florida State

505
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Speaker 1: as well. I think they put him at sam linebacker

506
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Speaker 1: and had him try to do a little bit of everything,

507
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Speaker 1: kind of like I mentioned with with Josh Sweat earlier,

508
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Speaker 1: I think he was misused miscasted as another guy who's

509
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Speaker 1: ranked really highly coming out of high school and his

510
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Speaker 1: athletic testing was was pretty good. I think Thomas has

511
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Speaker 1: a chance to be be drafted uh and and could

512
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Speaker 1: be someone that makes an impact on special teams and

513
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit beyond that eventually because of his upside.

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Speaker 1: P I think it's worth taking a look at in

515
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Speaker 1: in camp and and someone has a priority free agent.

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Speaker 1: Those are two guys that I thought, you know, if

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Speaker 1: if I thought they were misused the last couple of years,

518
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Speaker 1: and if Florida State you know, had to use them correctly,

519
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Speaker 1: maybe we're talking about them being maybe a sixth round

520
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Speaker 1: pick for for Pew and maybe a fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: for Thomas. But but that hasn't been the case. Great Brendan,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate the time, thanks so much today and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you down the road. All right, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: all right by guys. Brendon Snow does a great job

525
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Speaker 1: reporter for them. Make sure you check them out on Twitter.

526
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Speaker 1: You can find them. Um. I mean again, Florida State,

527
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Speaker 1: not as many guys would usually see. Probably just one

528
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Speaker 1: first round guy, just one first round guy. Maybe only

529
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Speaker 1: one first slash second round guy as well, which is

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Speaker 1: not what you say. Uh. Usually year to year one

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Speaker 1: school that will have maybe two players going round number one.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you of two players at least on round

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Speaker 1: one and round two. And that's the Iowa Hawk guys.

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Speaker 1: And joining us talk Iowa Hawkeye football is Rob Hot.

535
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Speaker 1: Rob Howe from the Hawkeye Nation blog Robbie got John

536
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Speaker 1: Schmulkin called the Tino on East Rutherford, New Jersey. How

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Speaker 1: are you today, I'm doing We're doing great. Thanks for

538
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Speaker 1: joining us, And I want to start um with one

539
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Speaker 1: of the offensive lineman coming out of Iowa. Not a surprise,

540
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Speaker 1: the bit of an offensive lineman factory over there where

541
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Speaker 1: Kirk Forensen his NFL style offense. He does a great

542
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Speaker 1: job coaching these guys up and James Daniel seems like

543
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Speaker 1: one of these, you know, guard center types that would

544
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Speaker 1: be great in a in a move zone scheme. Get

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Speaker 1: him out, get him move, and let him block on

546
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Speaker 1: the go and he should be a day one, very

547
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Speaker 1: solid interior offensive lineman in the NFL. Do you think

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Speaker 1: he's one of the safer prospects you've seen come out

549
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Speaker 1: of Iowa in a while? I do, guys, and I

550
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Speaker 1: think you know, it's a combination of things that makes

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Speaker 1: him that. Um. He's obviously productive on the field. UM.

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Speaker 1: And and unlike some other guys that have come out

553
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Speaker 1: of Iowa, he was a known commodity coming out of

554
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Speaker 1: Warren High School in Ohio. UM. He was a five star,

555
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Speaker 1: four or five store, you know prospect coming out. He

556
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Speaker 1: turned down schools like Alabama and Ohio State to go

557
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Speaker 1: to Iowa. His brother who played in the NFL AS

558
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Speaker 1: two with the Redskins. UM with Sean Daniels Jr. His

559
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Speaker 1: dad played in the NFL. UM. So he's got those bloodlines. Um.

560
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Speaker 1: But that was the thing that his his brother being

561
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Speaker 1: at Iowa got him there. Um. And he produced once

562
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Speaker 1: he got there and the things that I think I've

563
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Speaker 1: heard about him that stand out the most guys. It's

564
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Speaker 1: not only his athleticism, but his intelligence. I think NFL

565
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Speaker 1: scouts feel like they can put him in plug and

566
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Speaker 1: play him right away and he'll get it. Whatever sister

567
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Speaker 1: he goes into, he's going to understand. The Hioway coaches

568
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Speaker 1: Um gushed about how much knowledge he had and how

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Speaker 1: much he helped, even coaching the offensive line himself. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's really those are a couple of things

571
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Speaker 1: that make him such an attractive prospect. I don't think

572
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Speaker 1: there's any question that people see him as the best

573
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Speaker 1: center in this draft. But as you know, a lot

574
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Speaker 1: of times in the NFL, much like when the Giants

575
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Speaker 1: drafted Western Richburg, he played guard out of necessity as

576
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Speaker 1: a rookie before then settling into his natural position. In

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Speaker 1: your opinion, could Daniels wind up playing some guard until

578
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Speaker 1: he settles in, maybe as the center for an NFL team, Yes,

579
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Speaker 1: without question, he actually started an eye ward. They had

580
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Speaker 1: Tyler blaize Um who plays for the Ellie Rams now

581
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Speaker 1: was the center two thousand fifteen when James came in

582
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Speaker 1: as a true freshman, and a true freshman he placed

583
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Speaker 1: hard and center, and then he flipped over to the

584
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Speaker 1: center in two thousand and six seventeen once Place graduated.

585
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Speaker 1: And another thing to mind about, I believe it's the

586
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Speaker 1: August the September of this year. He's young Phillie Price

587
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Speaker 1: from Ohio State, who was the other top center in

588
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Speaker 1: this draft. I believe it's three years older than James Daniels,

589
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Speaker 1: So that's a factor as well. Yeah, that's that's a

590
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: real good point. And in position flexibility, especially on the

591
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Speaker 1: interior or something, uh that team's look for. I want

592
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Speaker 1: to jump to another player that could sneak into the

593
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Speaker 1: first round. And I'm not sure, um if at this

594
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Speaker 1: time last year, Rob, you would be sitting here talking

595
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Speaker 1: about Joshua Jackson has a potential first round pick in

596
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. Came on gang busters. Uh In Sen

597
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: led the nation with eight interceptions and he just turned

598
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Speaker 1: out to be a fantastic playmaker. What clicked for him

599
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Speaker 1: that turned him into the prospect that he is now

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Speaker 1: from what you saw in sixteen. As you guys know,

601
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Speaker 1: it was a developmental program. A lot of guys don't

602
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: emerge until their you know, into their upper classmen or

603
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: into their third year in the program, and Josh kind

604
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: of fell into that. He was a two star prospect

605
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Speaker 1: coming out of um out of the Dallas area. Um

606
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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure where he would play, whether they play

607
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Speaker 1: him at wide receiver at cornerback. He began to develop

608
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Speaker 1: him as a cornerback and he played behind three year

609
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Speaker 1: starters in Desmond King and Gregg Maybon, both of whom

610
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: were in the NFL now. And he finally got his

611
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: opportunity last year and he made the most of it.

612
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Speaker 1: I don't think he the coaches or anybody else you know,

613
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: or outside of the program thought he would emerge like that.

614
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: But in talking to c. J. Bethard um the quarterback

615
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: that came out of Iowa last year, um I spoke

616
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: with him last fall as Josh was emerging, and I said,

617
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: did you see this coming? He goes. When I was

618
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: playing against him and he was on the scout team

619
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: or the second team, he was always the most athletic

620
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: guy out there. Could jump out of the you know,

621
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Speaker 1: critical jumping ability, quick twitch athlete, real good hips, could

622
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: turn all the things you look for. He had. It

623
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: was just a matter of him honing his skills and

624
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: getting the fundamentals down and he put it all together

625
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: last year and he was a great story. Now, unless

626
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Speaker 1: I'm mistaken, it looked to me like he was more

627
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: of a zone corner than he was a press corner. Uh.

628
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Speaker 1: Do you think I first of all, did did you

629
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Speaker 1: see it that way? You saw him more plays than

630
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: I did? Uh? And and then if not, um, if

631
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: if that you know, if if I'm correcting that, Uh?

632
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Speaker 1: Is that because of his skill set? Or is that

633
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: because of the scheme that they ran? I think it's

634
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: more scheme related. Um, he did do both. Iowa does

635
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: play multiple defenses UM, and uses their corners and secondary

636
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: men in different ways. UM. I think he's probably more

637
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: comfortable in zone and that's where that is coming from

638
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: now scouting wise. UM. But I think he has the

639
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: ability to play the bump and run and pressed um

640
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: because he's such a good athlete, and like I said earlier, guys,

641
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: he really emerged last year. I think his best football

642
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: is still ahead of him. He's still learning the game

643
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: and he's another guy that that's relatively young for the class.

644
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: So UM, I think he committe me play right away,

645
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: but I think he should get better too once he

646
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: gets into the NFL and focuses on football full time

647
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't have to go to class and do all

648
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that other stuff. I'm not surprised that you said he

649
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: came in as a wide receiver, by the way, because

650
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: the way he anticipates routes and gets after the ball

651
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: in the air, you can see how he took what

652
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: he knew and learned as a wide receiver and really

653
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: applies it to corner So while he's still raw in

654
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 1: some ways, you know, and maybe some of his technique

655
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned he wasn't great in position drills, I think

656
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: what he did a wide receiver has really transferred over

657
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: to his cornerback skills and that is kind of what

658
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: sets him apart now, I I think so, I think

659
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: he's a pretty well rounded guy. And um, you know,

660
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: last year, and I'm not going to make the comparison,

661
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: but last year Desmond King got knocked a lot for

662
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: the way he performed in positions, rolls in the comm

663
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: line and maybe his some of his testing didn't match

664
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Speaker 1: up to what you're looking for, um at the position.

665
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: But then he went to you know, he went to

666
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Speaker 1: l A Chargers and had a really good rookie season started,

667
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people were. I mean,

668
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: he was a fifth round draft pick. I like a

669
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of people kicked themselves for not taking him earlier. Um,

670
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's why maybe Jackson Jackson was getting

671
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more benefited. Doubts saying, Okay, he we

672
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: we saw this last year with Keenan coming out of

673
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: the same same uh college program. This kid has been

674
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: taught the position really well. Let's see and maybe maybe

675
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't go first round, but I think I don't

676
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: think he slips test the second round. Um. I'm looking

677
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: at Joseph Jewel, Uh, the inside linebacker who for me

678
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: is an inside backer in a three four scheme because

679
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: of his frame and his measurables. Um, what does your

680
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: take on on him coming into the NFL. Just a

681
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: really good football player, guys, again, not a guy that

682
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: probably matches up measurables wise with what the NFL scouts

683
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: are looking for. Um. Kind of like Desmond King. But

684
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: he's a guy that was just ultra productive here. Um.

685
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: He was an unanimous all you know, all American this year. Um.

686
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: He was. He was a team captain for three years here,

687
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: so he having a lot of those intangible things. He

688
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: runs pretty well sideline. The sideline, he's got the biggest, tallest,

689
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: fastest guy in the world. But he understands the game

690
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: and he understands how to play and how to make plays. Um,

691
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and he's got good leadership qualities too. He's probably gonna

692
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a project, but he's a

693
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: guy I think you could put on special teams right away.

694
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: And and you watch Josie Jewel on tape and he's

695
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: You're right, he's a football player. He knows where to go,

696
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: he's smart. Um, he makes plays. But then you look

697
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: at his combine testing and you good, does he have

698
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: the athletic ability to transfer that to the pro level? Maybe?

699
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Um, how did he do in some

700
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: of the college situations that have required more athleticism, coverage

701
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: tight ends, carrying a tight end up the seam, sticking

702
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: with running backs in space at the backfield? How did

703
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: he do in those aspects in college? Because I think

704
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: in the pros now, that's the stuff you really have

705
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: to be good at in order to stay on the field.

706
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: It inside linebacker, Yeah, I would agree, And I think

707
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: those are the question marks with him, guys, and he

708
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: did it at times, but there are other times where

709
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: he didn't do it that well. I think he got

710
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: better as his career went on and he had a

711
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: better understanding. And he's kind of a gym rat, if

712
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you can use that for football. In the film room

713
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: all the time, he looks for he looks for ways

714
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: to beat the opponent. Where maybe he lacks in athleticism,

715
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: he makes up for in preparation. Um So, I think

716
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: he reminds me a little bit of Pat Anger, who

717
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: played here and played middle linebacker. You're he graduated in

718
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: two thousand nine and played a few years with the Colts.

719
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of him where he's

720
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: He's a smaller guy, not the most athletic guy, but

721
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: he can be a productive guy. I think you got

722
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: yourself another project there in in Wadley at running back. Uh.

723
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, again, he's one of those guys. He's going

724
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: to have to be in the right place, with the

725
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: right coaching staff, with the right patients and the right

726
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: role for him to be an NFL player in my opinion,

727
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: but he certainly has some ability. Yeah, he made huge

728
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: plays here. He's you know, Kurt Fur's just twenty years

729
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: of of you know, being the head coach and running

730
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: this program. I think you could put wildly in, you know,

731
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: in the top five or so best playmakers that he's had.

732
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: He's that good. Um. He he almost single handedly beat

733
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: i with State last year with some players he made

734
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: late in that game. Just you know, not says that

735
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: aren't coachable, but just are in eight that he's able

736
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: to do. Um. Very good vision. Um. He's just not

737
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: a big guy. You know, he's probably five ten and

738
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: lucky when he gets to a hundred and ninety pounds.

739
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's gonna be able to take

740
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: the pounding of being an ever down back. But a

741
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: situation guy, a guy that can help you on special teams.

742
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: I think he fits somewhere. But like you said, he's

743
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: got to find the right system and the and the

744
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: right coaching staff that wants to maybe be a little

745
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: innovative and how they use rob at that heightened weight.

746
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: It screams third down back to me, but I want

747
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: to get on the field on third downs. He'd be

748
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: good at pass protection. Why did he do in that

749
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: respected Iowa. He's a really good receiver. He was well,

750
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: I think maybe the third leading receiver last year and

751
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: they had some injuries of my receiver and maybe that

752
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: facilitated that. But he's very capable in the passing game. Um,

753
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: he got better at blocking, which is obviously a big

754
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: part of being a third down block back. Excuse me,

755
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: So I think he's in there. He's getting in the rate.

756
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Um uh, you know, he's getting that technique down. He's

757
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: starting to understand that that's part of what his role

758
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: will be. So I think he worked on that the

759
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: last few years, and I think he's getting better and

760
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: in all those areas of being a third down type back. Rob.

761
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Wonderful information, wonderful stuff. We really appreciate the time today.

762
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down the road. All right, thanks

763
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: very much. Sounds great guy, Hawk Guy Nation Blog. We

764
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us on Big Blue Kick Golf Live.

765
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: We'll get the Rob ranging second. Dave, Charlie and Hunting

766
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: Beach been holding the whole time. I gotta get him on. Charlie.

767
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: What's going on? You got smiling? Da Tina Charlie, Hello,

768
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: give me a second. Come on, charl you've been holding

769
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: whole show. I don't want to hang up on you, bro,

770
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: all right, put him back on whole Dave, leave leave

771
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: him up. I'll talk to Paul for a minute. I'm

772
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna go back, Okay, I'm gonna give me a chance.

773
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Ye Oh, he might have fallen asleep. Yeah. And you

774
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: know these guys that we talked about today, I think

775
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Derwin James is the James, Daniels and Jackson are the

776
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: three guys that could all be first round picks. And

777
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: and Daniels in particular. You mean he fundamentally so sound,

778
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: and it's quite clear how smarty as you can tell

779
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: why he's on the field. And by the way we

780
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: heard him talk at the Combine. Yes, very yes we did. Yes,

781
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: yes we did, and so and and of course I

782
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: did not know earlier in his career there that he

783
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: had played some guard that will count for a lot

784
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: of points when he's on the draft board. I'd love

785
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: for him to be there at thirty four. Unfortunately, I

786
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: do not think that's going down. No. No, you've got

787
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a better chance of Price being there because of the injury,

788
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: which which isn't a bad thing either. No, if you

789
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: if you get him pushed down to you because of

790
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: the injury, you take him with thirty four. He should

791
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: be back in time to do everything in training camp.

792
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: They were saying June even. I think that's probably a

793
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: little they care for with him, probably optimistic. Can get

794
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Billy Price on your roster ready to go by training camp.

795
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: That's not a bad boy. Starter had a bad idea.

796
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that boy. Dot's all right now, I'm

797
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: told Charlie is there now, Charlie, what's going on? Thu Hi?

798
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And Daniel to particular, what are you doing? Joe?

799
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: You gotta listen through your phone. Man, you can't listen

800
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: through the speaker. Charlie, you're there. Oh, Johnny and hunting

801
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: thing beach. That's why we had confusing Johnny, what's up?

802
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: All right? Hello? Going on Charlie, Johnny, what's up? No problem,

803
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: glad to have you. I'm going crazy listening to these

804
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: reports about the draft and ros is gonna be the

805
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: top guy, and Donald's gonna be the top guy in

806
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: on on on Anyway, I think at number two we

807
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: should train down. Okay, Charlie, but you need to to tango.

808
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: That's the trick. No, I understand that. But you know,

809
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: we know blah blah will will make a trade. But

810
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: the key is that you know the last three is

811
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: mainly has not had his best years, and we have

812
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: Davis and the Wings, and we don't know Davis is

813
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna make it as a you know, a top quarterback

814
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: in the league. Okay, So I think we should get

815
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: some extra picks for next year in case we do

816
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: have to make a trade for a quarterback or trade

817
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: up to get a draft to get a top correct.

818
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Is anybody coming out next year that looks good? Potentially?

819
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Next year's quarterback class is not supposed to be as

820
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: deep as this one. But I remember a few years ago,

821
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: I forget which class it was, and people were talking

822
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: before the year how great the quarterback class was. Then

823
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: all three or four quarterbacks all fizzled out. So it's

824
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: really hard to anticipate, Johnny. But I actually agree with you.

825
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: I think if you do make a trade with Buffalo,

826
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: I think Paul's on board this too. I think you

827
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: have to get their number one next year as part

828
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: of that deal. I'm not you know about their number

829
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: two next year, but you've got to get their number one,

830
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: especially if you're getting two ones into two this year.

831
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to get at one. Energy the

832
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: way here too, I believe coach Shermer's son, who was

833
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback at Vanderbilt, will be in next year's draft.

834
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: Just something to throw out there. Yeah, thank you, Johnny.

835
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I listened to the Cowboys, I listened to the Redskins

836
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: and the Eagles. But I want my door couple hours

837
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: every day. Nice. So I get into and oh, they

838
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: are so crazy with the draft this year. I thought,

839
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: you guys are bad, but then terrible. This guy gotta

840
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: and then and then one Brian got Really they run

841
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: on about him, so they're looking for him to come

842
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: to the Giant. Uh. Well, it's funny. I actually got

843
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: a call from one from one of my guys that

844
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I've become friends with. Dan there and here Joe and

845
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: and I go, look, take a look. And Johnny, thanks

846
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: for the call. I appreciate it. Um. Look at the

847
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: guys that Dave good him and have brought into this

848
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: locker room pole this year. Do you think this Bryant

849
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: falls into the same category as those guys personality was?

850
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: How about if I should square peg and circular hole. Yeah,

851
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: I think that probably makes sense. And look, if you

852
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: get him on the veterans minimum and you can you know,

853
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: caught him if he turns out to be a pain

854
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: in the butt shore, But something tells me, does Brian

855
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: it's anywhere for the veterans and veterans unlikely? Yes, unlikely,

856
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: exactly so. And by the way, I think everyone can

857
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: hope now, or at least as someone that covers the Giants,

858
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: we can hope that Calvin Ridley does not fall to

859
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in nineteen. That would be very bad. What

860
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I think Calvin Ridley's a really good football player. I'm

861
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: not as necessarily sold on him as others. He's a

862
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: great route runner. Paul uh like him, but I don't

863
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: know that he's the best in this draft. Who do

864
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: you like better? DJ? You like d J Moore all right,

865
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: and that that is the only other guy I would

866
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: consider in the first round. I understand why you'd like

867
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: d J. Moore, and I think he would also be

868
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: a good selection for them at nineteen. I agree with you.

869
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Remember there were three wide receivers that went in the

870
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: top ten of last year's draft, and none of them

871
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: did anything his rookies. Now, that's not to say that

872
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: they won't be good at some point. We also think

873
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: that all those guys are overdrafted to you were surprised

874
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: at all those guys. Actually, we thought Corey Davis would

875
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: be top ten, but not top four. I think he went,

876
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: but we were shocked at hen Ross and Um Williams

877
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: went to top ten based off that. Davis was far

878
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: the best of the crop going in, and he was

879
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: also the best on the field this year. By the way,

880
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't great, but he was still the best of

881
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: the third Noah Amani, Cooper's, Beckham's or Evans is. None

882
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: of those guys. I would not put Ridley or more

883
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: on that level, no question about it. That's what I mean.

884
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: But that's why they could be there at nineteen and

885
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: not being gotten the top. Yeah, you know, you look,

886
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: if I'm Dallas, I have other holes I probably want

887
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: to film. We got linebacker, all right, That's what I

888
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: will say. What I will say before we go, I

889
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: will say this, Um, you know, if you're the Giants

890
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: and you do need some more depth at wide receiver,

891
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: let's not kid ourselves right now. It's a little thin there,

892
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: there's some question marks and it's and there's some thinness.

893
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: There are later on third round, fourth round guys who

894
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: are going to be contributors and role players at wide receiver.

895
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: That's where the wide receiving corps has some depth. Yeah,

896
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I think there'll be a bigger contributors. I think there'll

897
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: be a big run on guys in the second round

898
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: and then you look at to see what's left after

899
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: that run. The top of of that group isn't great,

900
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: but but there was some depth guys, a good chunk

901
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: of depth guys at receiver, and I do look for

902
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the Giants to try to take one at some point.

903
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: You have all those guys, you know, Courtland Sutton, Anthony

904
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Miller at a Memphis Christian kirk Um who wants the

905
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Equinomius st Brown, DJ Shark. All those guys could be

906
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: you know early you know, second, early, third round picks,

907
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: and those are the guys you're kind of talking about it.

908
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Even a couple of fourth rounders who will contribute to

909
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: somebody's team. Yeah, probably, I agree. Alright, folks. Rob Rang

910
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: from NFL Draft Scout and the Sports is Change. I

911
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him yesterday and now

912
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: we're joined by Rob Rang. He's from NFL Draft scout

913
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: dot Com. In the Sports Exchange. Of course, we talked

914
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: to Dane Brugler earlier in the week. We promoted as

915
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: draft guy and is right here. They call it the Beast.

916
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Check it out. That's Dane's working. Rob. You're

917
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: just as wonderful doing draft stuff as Dane is. And

918
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I've been looking at your guide and checking it out.

919
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about it, every year there's a

920
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: team that's kind of at the full chrom almost of

921
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: the draft, and what they do will decide how the

922
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: rest of the first round goes and lo and behold.

923
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: I think that's where we are, the New York Football

924
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Giants and eighteen. And I was just talking to Lance

925
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Meadal the other day on our show about this, and

926
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: from my perspective, at least, they've done a wonderful job

927
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: of keeping keeping teams guessing, and no one around the

928
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: league seems to know what the Giants are going to do?

929
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: Is that your sense? Talking to your contacts around the

930
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: league as well, very much? Is I think that? Uh?

931
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, I've packed a couple of different you know,

932
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: high ranking scouts, general managers even, and they all kind

933
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: of acknowledge, Hey, they know Dave gentlemen, they they've been

934
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: following for years, know him personally. They have no idea

935
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: what the Giants are gonna do it number two overall.

936
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, with all due respect to the

937
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns having the number one overall pick and at

938
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: least right now the number four overall pick as well,

939
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: you would think that the Browns would be running this draft.

940
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: But really the belief out there is that the Giants

941
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: basically are going to control what happens on draft Day

942
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: because of course Cleveland is expecting to take a quarterback

943
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: at one. Uh. And then what New York decides to

944
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: do it number two, whether they go with the pass rush,

945
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: you're like Bradley Chubb, they're running back st Klombark can

946
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: go with and then the young quarterback. Uh. Then either

947
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: way that is going to set the stage for what's

948
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: going to happen the whole rest of the draft. And Rob,

949
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I'll get to the Browns in a second, because that's

950
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: going to impact the Giants obviously, But I think that

951
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: uncertainty that Dave Gentleman has made sure is out there

952
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: with his selection probably makes the chances that he will

953
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: get a big offer to trade down probably a little

954
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: bit greater, right, because teams aren't short. He's gonna do,

955
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: is he gonna pick the quarterback? Then maybe a team

956
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: has to trade up. What do you think the possibility

957
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: is somebody backs up the truck here for the Giants

958
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: at two, whether it's the Bills, the Broncos, or some

959
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: other team that maybe I'm not even thinking of. Well,

960
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: I think that's certainly a possibility. I think was very

961
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: much helps. Uh the Giants position is the fact that

962
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: there are so many quarterbacks in this draft class, and

963
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: so there is gonna be so much intrigue. Everybody's gonna

964
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: have their own opinion of who the top grade quarterback

965
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: is um and so that certainly helps. And then as

966
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: well at the defensive end position I mentioned before with

967
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubbs, if say a team is you know, is

968
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: eager to get another pass rusher, then they have to

969
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: react aggressively in this draft class because while there is

970
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: very good depth at quarterback, there is very good depth

971
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: at running back, there is no depth at defensive end.

972
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: If you want a pass rusher, then you've got a

973
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: potential pro bowler seeing it looking at you, and Bradley

974
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: Chubb likely to be available at number two overall, and

975
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: so it would be chub or one of those quarterbacks.

976
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: Is why I believe that there is going to be

977
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: a significant uh number of teams that are gonna be

978
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: talking to the Giants about possibly moving up. Um, we

979
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: saw the expected um, you know, cost of of you know,

980
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: the cost of business with what the Jets gave up

981
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: to move up to number three overall from number six,

982
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: and that of course wound up being three second round selections.

983
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: So I think that the Giants are gonna be willing

984
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: to ask for the moon, and they just mary very

985
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: well get that that's said. I think that the Giants

986
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: are because, you know, because Dave Gelman is always believed

987
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: and when you're drafting this high, you want to have

988
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: an immediate impact player. I have a hard time believing

989
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: the Giants would be willing to move too far out

990
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: of the top five, six, seven, eight. And that might

991
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: be why a team like to say, the Buffalo Bills,

992
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: who many are projecting in the possible trade partner, that

993
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: maybe Buffalo wouldn't be quite the fit for the Giants

994
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: to trade out number two overalls. Indeed that was not

995
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: given to them. Yeah, I happen to agree with you.

996
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Maybe they would have to go get the Colts pick

997
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: and then move up again. But I think then the

998
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: math on that, with getting enough picks that do it

999
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: becomes very very tricky. I agree, I think it's tough,

1000
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: all right. Again, putting the Browns aside for a second.

1001
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: If the Giants decide that they're going position player at two,

1002
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: and they don't have anybody backing up the truck, and

1003
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: you're looking at Quentin Nelson and say Kwon Barkley, who

1004
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: I think most people agree and I do as well

1005
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: that they're probably the two highest graded players in this draft.

1006
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: And then you have Bradley Chubb, the three players that

1007
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I think people think are realistically uh in the mix

1008
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: of two, how do you measure the position value of

1009
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: defensive end and the scarcity at defensive end like you

1010
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: just mentioned in your last answer, with the high grades,

1011
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: but also maybe a lower position value and better depth

1012
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: in this draft at running back and guard. Very very

1013
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: carefully tau answer on that, You know, I just really

1014
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: think that it comes down to um as you just

1015
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: mentioned the depth at the other positions. I mean that

1016
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: the fact that running back is so strong is all

1017
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: due respect to state Kwon bark that he has an

1018
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: incredible talent. He is going to come into the NFL,

1019
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: and I believe that he is going to have the

1020
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: same type of immediate impact that we've seen with top

1021
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: ten rated are running backs, excuse me, draft in the

1022
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: top ten the last several years, whether it be Leonard

1023
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: four Nets, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, whatever name that you want,

1024
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: and those are all three of those backs wound up

1025
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: very much justifying their early selections and helping in their

1026
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: teams compete immediately. And We've had previous conversations where I

1027
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: believe that the Giants are significantly more talented than most

1028
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: of the other team selecting in the top ten. So

1029
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons to believe that the state

1030
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Kwonbark you can take him. He's the easy pick in

1031
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: this draft. Basically, you take him, you plug him into

1032
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: an offense that already has a lot of talent around it,

1033
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: and to the Giants offense, those from being one of

1034
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: the least effective a year ago to certainly one of

1035
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: the more effective. And I would argue that it is

1036
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: going to have the best skill position talent of any

1037
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: offense in the NFC East, and that obviously is saying

1038
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: a great deal considering the Super Bowl Championship playing this division,

1039
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: so that makes a lot of sense to me. At

1040
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: the same time, I still believe that the best player

1041
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: for the Giants or anything infecting the top five that

1042
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: needs any type of help but pass for Russure. Let's face,

1043
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: they all do that. The safe play is Bradley Chubb.

1044
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of his positional versatility, having played

1045
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: linebacker before as well as defensive end. You see the

1046
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: athletic ability, you see the size of the strength, the

1047
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: use of hands. He is a more technically sound and

1048
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: polished player right now than Miles Garrett was a year ago.

1049
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: And so I certainly believe that he should be in

1050
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: play for the Giants number two. And I have a

1051
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: hard time imagine any scenario in which that he does that.

1052
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb is not among the top four selections unless

1053
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: there is a significant trade out. And if you look

1054
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: at the Quittin Nelson, if you look at st. Kwon Barkley,

1055
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm not quite as confident in saying that set Kwon

1056
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Barkley or uh Or or Quittin Nelson are definitely going

1057
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: to go in the top four. I do see scenarios

1058
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: that way. But what Bradley Trump I think is going

1059
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: to go in the top four and That's why what's

1060
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: all said and done if no one does indeed back up,

1061
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: back the truck up. As you mentioned that in the

1062
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: giant stampat number two, and that Bradley Chubb is most

1063
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: likely to be their selection number two overall, Rob, are

1064
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: you buying the smoke? Are the Browns really considering taking

1065
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Josh Allen over Sam Donald? There is a lot of

1066
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: smoke out there, and and some of it is coming

1067
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: from me, frankly, because I and I have been told

1068
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: that from from some of the some of my sources

1069
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, if they are very intrigued by what Josh

1070
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Josh Allen brings now, I don't know that that would

1071
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: be the case if the Cleveland Browns had not already

1072
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: made the trade for Tyrod Taylor. They feel like they

1073
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: have a starting counter quarterback in place right now and

1074
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: they can use this rasp to build around him, including

1075
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: the young quarterback. Oh. Of course we saw an example

1076
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: of this a year ago to Chicago Bears and making

1077
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: their big move for my Glennon and of course ticking

1078
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: Mr Draisky. That said, my own eyes, I see Josh

1079
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: Allen as a possible top ten pick if you're willing

1080
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: to buy into all of this upside. Sam Donald, in

1081
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: my opinion, is the top grade quarterback in this draft class,

1082
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: should be the first quarterback selected. If you want to

1083
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: go with a playmaker like a Baker may Clip, I

1084
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: can't at least understand that argument. If you want to

1085
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: go with a more polished passer in Josh Roseen, again

1086
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: I can understand the argument. For me. The top quarterback

1087
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: in this draft class has been has always been Sam Donald.

1088
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: That's who I would select. But at the same time,

1089
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: there is a number of different opinions on this year's

1090
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: quarterback class. I've talked to clubs to have Josh Rosen's

1091
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: top quarterback and top the club that Baker Mayfield clubs

1092
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: that have Josh Allen, and the most of them have

1093
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. I still believe the most likely scenario is

1094
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: Sam Donald goes to one to the Cleveland Browns, but

1095
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Baker Mayfield I believe that they are still

1096
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: in play, and there's possibility that you're gonna have a

1097
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who I believe is a top grade pastor and

1098
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: a giant sports. Sam Donald still beyond the board number

1099
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: two overall, and boy would that be interesting because if

1100
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: trucks are everything to get backed up, and they're gonna

1101
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: get backed up. Is Donald's on the board order The

1102
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Giants love them so much they have to take him,

1103
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: and boy, I would love to have my head in

1104
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: that war room if that decision has to get made.

1105
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned Josh Rosen. How much do you think teams

1106
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: around the league are worried about the two concussions and

1107
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: his health issues? Is that is that primarily you think

1108
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: what's keeping him from being a number one quarterback on

1109
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: most boards? Or is it the attitude stuff that some

1110
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: people are thrown out that because to me, the injuries

1111
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: scare me business an NFL team, That's something I can't control,

1112
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: and when there's something you can't control, that's terrifying. How

1113
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: much your team is worried about the injuries with Rosen,

1114
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I think they're very, very concerned about it. It's not

1115
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: knowing the fact that he has had these congressions and

1116
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: had the shoulder injuries and things of that nature. It's

1117
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: the fact that that he plays with a little bit

1118
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: of a of almost a confidence, but almost a brazenness

1119
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 1: with his style of play. He doesn't protect his body

1120
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: very well. He does have a little bit of a

1121
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: of a weaker frame, and he I have to give

1122
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: him credit. He came in heavier than I expected, taller

1123
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: than I expected to combine, but having watched him in

1124
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: person and having watched just kind of the way he's built,

1125
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: he has narrow wrists and ankles, and that's usually a

1126
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: sign of maybe he may struggle to add weight. And

1127
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, he talked about the leadership and the attitude

1128
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: and things of that that nature. Sometimes that just gets

1129
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of pushed off like that's nothing. It's not so

1130
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: much that you know, he's that Josh Rose is willing

1131
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: to give a tasty quote for things of that nature.

1132
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: It's the fact that he didn't come from a uh

1133
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: from an environment where he had to work hard. He

1134
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: had that he did come from money. He has come

1135
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: from a very uh successful family and things of that nature.

1136
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: And and so there is just a belief among some

1137
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: scouts I've spoken to who don't believe that he has

1138
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: the eye of the tiger, so to speak, that he

1139
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: is the guy that you want leaving your team, um,

1140
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, late in a ballgame. And he comes from

1141
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: a family that is in was into high skating and

1142
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: tennis and things of that nature. Not to disparage those

1143
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: two sports in any way, but they are obviously individual sports.

1144
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: They are not something that's team related. And so when

1145
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: you have conversations with some of Josh Rosen ex coaches,

1146
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: some of the ex players that he played with at

1147
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: the high school level to college level, there are some

1148
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: concerns that way. And of course, as you mentioned, you know,

1149
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: teams want to be able to control things. Just like

1150
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: they can't control a players medical history or his body type,

1151
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: they can't control his personality. And there are some red

1152
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: flags of Josh Rose and that's why I believe it

1153
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: is as passive a pastor as he is that he

1154
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: is the quarterback. He could wind up flipping a little bit.

1155
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: Undrafted rob Where do you think Rashaan Evans is going

1156
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: to drop in this draft class? Because the Johnson linebackers.

1157
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's rushed the passer from linebacker, He's

1158
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: played off the ball. I think he'd be an interesting

1159
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: Swiss army knife for James Betcher's skiing that likes to

1160
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: move his linebackers around. Do you think he could still

1161
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: be on the board at thirty four overall and round

1162
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: number two? You think he's definitely a first round pick.

1163
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: I think that he's most likely to be a first

1164
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: round pick. I agree with you wholehearriedly that he'd be

1165
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: a terrific fit in New York. I mean gets his versatility,

1166
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: and I still believe that Evans is a player who

1167
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: is on the rise. I mean, of course, he didn't

1168
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: wind up becoming a full time starter until this past season. Um.

1169
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: And that's more of a reflection of the talent for

1170
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Alabama linebacker of course. But you know, because he was

1171
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: used as a variety of roles you mentioned the blitzee,

1172
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: also being asked to drop back into coverage. He's one

1173
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: of the true three down linebackers in this draft class.

1174
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean, my opinion, there's really only about four of them,

1175
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: and I expect him all to go in the top

1176
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: thirty four selection. And so not only Evans, but of

1177
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: course for Kwan Smith and Tremaine Edmonds, um, but then

1178
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: also Layton Vanderesh. And because there has been a few

1179
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: concerns about Layton Vanderesh, the terrific linebacker from Boisi States,

1180
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: who like Evans, um, you know, really loaded this path

1181
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: in the seventeen season and you know made himself. Um.

1182
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: Uh you know a first round prospects because there have

1183
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: been some medical questions about him. Some are some are

1184
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: concerned about his neck a prior injury with him, and

1185
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: I think that he might still be available at number

1186
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: thirty four overall. But I have talked to a couple

1187
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: of clubs up there and they say, no, medically he's fine.

1188
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: He's gonna be good. Because there's a potentially a little

1189
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: bit of concern with him. I think that Layton Vanderesh,

1190
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: as much as I like him, that he might be

1191
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: the linebackeris potentially they about number thirty four overall. I'd

1192
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: be surprised if Evans still on the rock, still on

1193
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: the clock. If either one of them are available, I

1194
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: think they make a lot of sense for the Giants.

1195
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: Number thirty four. Interesting, I didn't hear about any medical

1196
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: concerns for Vanderesh. That's that that that's new for me.

1197
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: I have to keep an eye on that one. Rob

1198
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: Um other options top of round number two for the Giants, uh,

1199
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: they need some corner help. They don't really have. Um

1200
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: a guy that's played slot at a high level of

1201
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: the lastew years. William Gay was a veteran addition, but

1202
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: he lost that job. Last year to somebody midyear, who

1203
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: do you think could be available and sitting there top

1204
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: arounds or even top around three, if you think that's

1205
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: a better fit that the Giants could add at the

1206
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: corner position, well, one of the quarters I don't think

1207
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: is getting enough attention, as Ideah Oliver from Colorado. Now

1208
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: he is more of an outside press guy, um, you know,

1209
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: but at the same time he does as him experienced

1210
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: fighting inside. Dante Jackson from l s U of course

1211
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: the fastest man at the combine was you know, he

1212
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: is a guy to who has the experience playing in

1213
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: the nickel role and has that straight line speed um.

1214
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: And again I talked about it before that if the

1215
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Giants were to go to the stake, kwon Barkley at

1216
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: number two overall, and the Giants would then have, in

1217
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, the best set of skill position players in

1218
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: the division. At the same time, this is still a

1219
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: very talent a division. It comes to UH wide receivers

1220
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks, and so I agree, I think that that

1221
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: nickel corner is a potential area of concern. And if

1222
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: you can have a guy that you can run four three,

1223
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: two or in the four threes in his sleep, the

1224
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: way that Jones j Jackson proudly said that he could

1225
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: do uh, then I think that that makes a lot

1226
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: of sense as well. So if you're looking for a

1227
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: plug and play type of guy that is experienced, is physical,

1228
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Isaiah Oliver Carlton Davis from Auburn would be another one

1229
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: that I think fit in well with what New York

1230
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: is looking to do. If you're looking specifically more to

1231
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: that nickel corner and you want a guy who is

1232
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: still uh you know, has the potential um to to

1233
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: improve than Dante Jackson Mellis who was a corner, who

1234
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: has a lot of buzz around him right now. Um

1235
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: And because of his position versatility played inside, played outside

1236
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: a corner as well as safety A L. S hu

1237
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: And and the Tigers track record of of producing consistently

1238
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: NFL caliber defensive backs. That's why Dont Jackson is the

1239
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: guy to keep in mind for early day two as

1240
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: well of the interior sensive line that we expect to

1241
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: go between fifteen and thirty. And I'm gonna throw a

1242
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win Will Hernandez, James Daniels, Billy Price, all those

1243
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: four guys into the mix here. Which one of those

1244
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: four if any and only th O'Connor whims into the

1245
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: mix too, went up who some people think we'll have

1246
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: to move into guard? Of those five, who do you

1247
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: think has the best chance of being there at thirty four?

1248
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: I think probably Will Hernandez because he's viewed as just

1249
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: a guard, whereas other Billy prized James Daniels that they

1250
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: have their athletic enough to either play guard. Is Billy

1251
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: Price there Ohio State or um or or projected guard?

1252
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: At least my opinion, James Daniels has that ability and

1253
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: he is going to be more fundamentally sound. Um after

1254
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: working with Kirk Ference of course at the University of Iowa.

1255
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: You know Connor Williams and you know his questions about

1256
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Kenny b makes that move inside the garden. It's a

1257
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a transition and he's gonna hasn't been

1258
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: asked to do that just yet. Um, you know. And

1259
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: I think that his ability to play tackle and did

1260
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: so at a high level was going to put him

1261
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: in the first round and uh, you know, so all

1262
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: those guys. But Will Fernandez, on the other hand, you know,

1263
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: as much as I love he's one of my favorite

1264
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: players in this traff block, four year starter at you tip,

1265
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter the fact that the Miners wound

1266
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: up not winning a single game a year ago. You

1267
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. What's the way that Hernandez played and compete.

1268
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: I love his strength and I love his frame. I

1269
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: think that he is a you know, just a plug

1270
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: and play left guard. But at the same time, because

1271
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: that's all he is, because he does have that short

1272
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: block of frame and restlay six two and a half

1273
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: three and thirty five pounds was shorter the arms than ideal,

1274
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: then you know, you don't know that you're necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to be able to get get let's maker, it's actually

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00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: going to be able to translate into more victories for

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Speaker 1: your team. As I mentioned, you tept did win a

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00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: single game a year ago. So atmember thirty four overall,

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Speaker 1: if I to pick one of those five, I think

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: that will Hernandez splip me out of the first round

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: and being among the first five to eight productions of

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00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: the second round, that would be the bet I would

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: be making rob great identifying late round sleepers. Give me

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Speaker 1: one to three names Day three that you really like

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01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: that you think might be a little underrated, and the

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Speaker 1: team can get a stealing rounds fourth through seven. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, I mean saying sleeper is like

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of like telling the teacher to pick out your sabers,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's a little bit difficult being

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: because I I think of why I hear sleeper. I

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01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: think I just kind of go buy a position so

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01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: I can just kind of give you, you know, certain

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: positions where I like, uh players, And I mentioned before

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Speaker 1: and I think that the depth in this year's class

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Speaker 1: at quarterback and running back is spectacular. So one of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that I'm very high is Mike White from

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Speaker 1: Western Kentucky. Uh. To me, I think he's a guy

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01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: that would be absolutely earning Top one buzz consistently. He

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01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: would just be a shoe win to be a top

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: one Hunter pick in a normal draft class. But because

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01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: we may have as may as six quarterbacks come off

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: the board in the first round, then Mike White my

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: wind up sliding down the border a little bit. So

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01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky or the last couple of years, was very

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: successful there. Um simon the Senior Bowl, he has you are,

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean six five two and thirty pounds. He has

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: the size that you're looking for, um, And so he

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: is the quarterback that I believe is a potentially a

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: future starter that you might be able to get on

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: Day three. Um. As far as running back, there's a

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: whole bunch of them, but I'm gonna focusing on some

1312
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: of the bigger backs of this draft class because generally speaking,

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: that so you have to invest early on if you're

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna get a big back. The klein Belage from Arizona

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: State is is a running back that that I feel

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: like has the traits, the explosiveness, the speed, the size

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01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: six one two and thirty pounds running in the low

1318
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: four fives um and then have like a I believe

1319
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: it's a thirty eight plus uh ancient vertical jump really

1320
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: shows an explosiveness that he provides. UM and even if

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01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: it's not very often, you can you can accurately say

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: that an Alabama player could be a sleeper. But both

1323
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: Scarborough people forget about him, you know, I mean, but

1324
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: he has that type of side as well. Um and

1325
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: and so he's a really intriguing player. So those are

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: some of the guys that that that's why, but be

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: that you can opt to go in a different direction

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01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: other than skill positions. The quarterbacks, your raging backs in

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01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: the top five because on days three there's a lot

1330
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: more of them. They have starting caliber traits, rob great stuff. Now,

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: just give me your prediction for the Giants round one

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01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: and two, what you think they'll do, and then who

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01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: you would pick if you were making the pick your

1334
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 1: prediction first, well, I would go with Bradley Chub number

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01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: two overall, and that's the that's the direction of the

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01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: Giants ultimately're gonna go into and once they made the

1337
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: decision to trade away Jason Dear Paul, I thought the

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: rting was on the wall. This is a club that, uh,

1339
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna want to find an immediate impact player

1340
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: and that obviously still is a position of concern. Um

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01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: you look at the teams in the division, um, and

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: that's where I think that the Giants can attack them best. Um.

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01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: So I would have Bradley Chubb number two overall. And

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: then we mentioned before Will harand Is I think that

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01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: he is in play, but I'm gonna go outside and

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01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: go with a running back. If Nick Chubb is available

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: at number thirty four overall, I think that you can

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: now erase your concerns about the running back position and

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: still get a player who has the athletic ability, the toughness,

1350
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: and the size that fits in with what Dave Gelman

1351
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: cerainly has built his teams around in the past. So

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Speaker 1: that would be Bradley chub in the first round and

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01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: then Nick job the cousin in the second round. As

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: far as the players that I think that I would select, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would go with with one of the

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. I think that you're very rarely going to

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: be in position to select one of those quarterbacks. I

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: we talked about this before. I would love to have

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: been in the interview room and have these conversations with

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: the Josh rose and assuming sam Donnd goes number one overall, Um,

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01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I believe that that Josh Rosen has all of the

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: physical traits looking forward to be a young franchise quarterback.

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: I think back years ago, and I know I'm mixing

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01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: my sports here, but I grew up a little bit

1365
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: of a basketball fan, and I remember the San Antonio

1366
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: Spurs when they had uh David Robinson, the great center,

1367
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: go down to injury, and that put them in position

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: number one overall Tim Duncan, and they pair those two

1369
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: twin towers together and obviously wound champion one of themselves

1370
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: in championships. I like the Giant being's court sort of

1371
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: a similar situation here that they obviously have a terrific

1372
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: quarterback in Eli Manning, potential Hall of Fame quarterback there.

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01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: But if you are not going to be in position

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01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: very often to select a young franchise quarterback. So that's

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: why I would take a quarterback. If Josh excuse me,

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: if Sam Donald was available, he would be my pick.

1377
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: I it would take multiple first round picks for me

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: to consider trading out of that opportunity to select my

1379
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: young quarterback. If not, Josh Rosen would be my select

1380
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: shirt number two overall. And then at the top of

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: the second round, again might consider a running back like

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: a Brady Chubb, just because if you're going with the

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: young quarterback, then you're under the belief that you're not

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01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: likely to be playing him the first season. So I

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: definitely want an immediate impact type of player in the

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: second round. That would be one of those two Georgia

1387
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: raining backs in my opinion, either Nick Chubb or of

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01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: me Michelle, both of mine think hit the ground running

1389
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: and helped New York maintain the offensive identity if they

1390
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 1: had in the past. Rob, great stuff. We always enjoy

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01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: your work. Thank you for being a friend of the

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: program during draft season. Thanks so much. Get back to

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: work and we will talk to you down the road.

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: All right, that's Rob Ryan, NFL Draft Scout, Um dot Com,

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: and Sports Exchange. He joins us right now and Big

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Speaker 1: we'll kick off live. We thank Paul Latino who's at

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Speaker 1: the earlier, and thank you to the calls on our

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Speaker 1: other guests we'll see tomorrow on Big. We'll kickoff live

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com, Lance Medal on Jeff Figel's return,

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Speaker 1: and then we have Dave Gentleman's press conference as well.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you stay tuned. We'll see you then. Have

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Speaker 1: a great day.