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Speaker 1: Crime Online with Nancy Grace. But first the special Crime

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Speaker 1: online dot Com news Update. I'm Alan Duke. Thirteen years

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Speaker 1: after the disappearance of Georgia beauty queen and high school

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Speaker 1: teacher Tara Grinstead, We're hearing the confession of a former

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Speaker 1: student who tells how he helped his friend burn her

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Speaker 1: murdered body. Prosecutors played bow Duke's confession for jors at

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Speaker 1: his trial on charges of hiding Grinstead's death. Duke's confessed

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Speaker 1: to the GBI in an interview after his girlfriend's mom

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Speaker 1: told a prosecutor what he told her about helping Ryan

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Speaker 1: Dukes burn Grinstead's corpse in a pecan orchard. Here's a

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Speaker 1: critical part of Duke's confession, in which he described seeing

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Speaker 1: bruises on Grinstead's neck. Bo said Ryan told him he

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Speaker 1: strangled her in her bed clothes. Allthing pit to be

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Speaker 1: out of yours. But may here like just seeing less

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Speaker 1: and then you get a walking by you see it.

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Speaker 1: But like just like if you were walked over here,

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Speaker 1: you probably couldn't need a singing up, I mean, but

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Speaker 1: if you were, it wouldn't be too far. You can

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Speaker 1: see it, Okay, maybe two wheels over he says, laying

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Speaker 1: face up. Did you know who it was? I'm wing

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Speaker 1: that the Yeah, yes, I mean he'd already tell me

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Speaker 1: who it was. I guess I was already expecting. But

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Speaker 1: but and you know, for a class still was somebing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I means discolored. I mean, I guess for the pool

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Speaker 1: the dance aren't was any other marks or sharks or

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Speaker 1: anything gunshots, kniephings marks on our night? Can you describe

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Speaker 1: the waphone? Know ims like bruising? Yes, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: streaming that spool. But there what I like my answer?

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Speaker 1: Anything like really descent? Okay, so by this time you

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Speaker 1: folla way three now? Yeah, so you need you see this?

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Speaker 1: And yet yeah, and why would you do it here?

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Speaker 1: On my friends? Beginning after Avilion when he said help me,

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Speaker 1: I asked him exactly where that happened? He told me

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Speaker 1: water and I have ter ride down. I tried to

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Speaker 1: come sleep. He tried to fish rol trow two year

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Speaker 1: else and he said it was white, very late at night,

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Speaker 1: and he used to gard to getting through the front door.

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Speaker 1: He jumped her a wat he was. She was in

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Speaker 1: put and and strangled right there in the and then

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Speaker 1: he into her body with the truck. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the front seat. Whoa I see ye trap Yes here

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Speaker 1: he had a big old time, and then he durned

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Speaker 1: back to Fisher. Was stopping at the at that at

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Speaker 1: that dunster round wildrat okay, and then to the ordering.

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Speaker 1: He hadn't have been there a few times in supprised

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Speaker 1: you in fountain place okay, so she shiner canter r

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Speaker 1: and then learning a lot up in your truck. Did

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Speaker 1: he say anybody else uping he stopped at a dunster

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Speaker 1: behind the larger matt Fisher, Yeah, one, turning on to

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Speaker 1: the keys and purse, sure anything else or their clothes.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember what he said about the clothes, or

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Speaker 1: he left somewhere else or I can't remember exactly. And

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Speaker 1: he never takes you why doing it? I mean he

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Speaker 1: never why earlier, never said why. I meaning to this day,

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Speaker 1: he never be stores why. So he stasilaging that before

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Speaker 1: he gets to the orchard keys purse maybe close from

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Speaker 1: our shore. Then drops to the orchard. He said he's

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Speaker 1: all been there a couple of times. The GBI agent

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Speaker 1: asked Bow what he and Ryan talked about during the

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Speaker 1: hours they watched TERA's body burn in the pecan orchard.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember a lot about them. I remember asking him,

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Speaker 1: you know more, he shared several times. Why you never

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Speaker 1: can ever tell me and I don't just don't remember

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Speaker 1: a lot about our conversations. H Third, it seems right.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me like you'd probably add something going

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Speaker 1: on with her that y'all don't know about. He did

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Speaker 1: about it, We never did it around afterward, there was

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Speaker 1: anything I never heard of them act before. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: to this day he stood off on why he did

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Speaker 1: ask him. He there to Raper knne Urner, and he

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Speaker 1: said not and did not. Bow Duke's is not charged

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Speaker 1: with Grinstad's murder. The murder trial of Ryan Duke is

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Speaker 1: set to start in Ocilla, Georgia April. First. Visit Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace's crime and justice website crime online dot com for

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Speaker 1: updates on the Terra Grinstead trials. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Believe it. At eighty eight years old, Jill Peterson could

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Speaker 1: do very little to defend herself from those six German Shepherds'

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Speaker 1: nightmared to me dispatched Rowan County Animal Control running Jakari

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Speaker 1: died shortly after the attack. We're told the girl is

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Speaker 1: five years old. She was petting the dog when it

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Speaker 1: bit her on the face. Oli her hair is out,

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Speaker 1: the casket can't be open to It's just like a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: I hardly believe. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. An

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Speaker 1: eighty eight year old grandma, Bessie Jill Peterson mauled dead

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Speaker 1: by a neighbor's six German shepherds in her Tennessee back yard. Quote.

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Speaker 1: They tore all of her hair out. The casket cannot

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Speaker 1: be open. Oh I'm Yancy, Grace. This is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, joining me, Director Legal

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Speaker 1: Affairs at Animal Protection League, New Jersey, Doris Lynn with me,

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Speaker 1: renowned animal trainers, zoologist, host of Zoologic podcast, doctor Gray Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta lawyer, animal activist PD Douglas Furr, who I'm sure

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Speaker 1: is siding with the wild pack of dogs. And Robin Wilinsky,

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Speaker 1: crime online dot com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life,

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Speaker 1: The Cside behind the Casey Anthony Trial on Amazon. Robin, please,

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Speaker 1: this is the age of my mother who lives with me.

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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine six German shepherds attacking my mom. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I can't either, and I have met your mother on

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Speaker 1: multiple occasions, and you've met my mother, who's also in

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Speaker 1: her eighties. And the thought of my mother, your mother,

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Speaker 1: or anybody's mother being attacked by German shepherd, not just

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Speaker 1: one German shepherd, but a pack of six German shepherds.

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Speaker 1: You talk about a person being helpless. I don't care

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Speaker 1: how tall or heavy set, or thin or petite the

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Speaker 1: woman would be in her eighties. The shock of it alone. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I'm looking at a shot,

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Speaker 1: a photo of Bessie Jill Patterson. She looks pretty perky,

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Speaker 1: she looks actually really cute. She's got a little jean

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Speaker 1: doesn't look a day over sixty in this photo. But

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Speaker 1: no matter how physically fit you are, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this case Penny Douglas for

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Speaker 1: our lawyer and animal activists when we covered literally the

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Speaker 1: All American athlete. I think she was a soccer lacrosse star.

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Speaker 1: By this time she was a coach, and she was

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Speaker 1: attacked by two pressicanarios and they just so happened to

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Speaker 1: ballings I had ever covered, and I could not believe it.

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Speaker 1: Penny Douglas fir six German shepherds attack an eighty eight

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Speaker 1: year old grandma. What's your defense? Oh, well, this is

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Speaker 1: the fault of the owner. This is totally the owner's fault.

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Speaker 1: Those dogs are running in a pack, and when you

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Speaker 1: You've got to be very protective and not let them

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Speaker 1: biased Penny Douglas fur Jackie Howard in the studio with me.

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Speaker 1: Can you look at this picture that's Edward Fur allegedly

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't believe it if I wasn't looking

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Speaker 1: What's not covered with fur? What it's a sofa? And

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Speaker 1: then there's a lot of fur. What kind of dog

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Speaker 1: big is well? He is bigger than Edward? No wonder

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Speaker 1: he looks bigger than Edward. Robert will Letsky. What happened

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Speaker 1: to follow up on something that Penny said, or maybe

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Speaker 1: it was you, Robin to Doris Lynne, director of Legal

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Speaker 1: Affairs at Animal Protection League, New Jersey. Doris, apparently the

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Speaker 1: dog owner have to be responsible. You can't let your

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Speaker 1: they're not socialized or not desensitized. They're not taught to

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Speaker 1: a group. It was a Tuesday evening when Jill Peterson

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Speaker 1: for the next several minutes she endured pure hell. There

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Speaker 1: Her sister Nina, tried to save Jill. Then three of

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We're told the girl is five years old.

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Speaker 1: She was petting the dog when it bit her on

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Speaker 1: the face. On December eighteenth, the Port of Portland says

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Speaker 1: a dog bit a young girl while they waited to

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Speaker 1: board a flight in concourse set. The bite caused significant

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Speaker 1: injuries to her face. The dog was taken to the

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Speaker 1: Maltenauma County Animal Shelter for a required ten day quarantine.

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Speaker 1: The animals shelter identify the dog as a forty eight

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Speaker 1: pound American pit bull mix. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't understand that their dogs aren't well trained, and

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Speaker 1: they humanize them too much. They bring them into environments

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Speaker 1: that they shouldn't. Lisa Wooden is traveling with her dog, Rooster,

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Speaker 1: a three year old rescue. She's not bringing him on board.

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Speaker 1: She feels it's too risky. He's never bitten anybody, but

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Speaker 1: I think this is a stressful environment, so for him

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Speaker 1: it's probably best to go underneath the plane. The dog

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Speaker 1: owner in this month's biting incident was cited because her

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Speaker 1: dog was not in a crate. The Port of Portland

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Speaker 1: says dogs that are not service animals must be created

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Speaker 1: inside the airport, but they admit enforcement is challenge. Officers

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Speaker 1: can only ask if the dog is a service animal.

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Speaker 1: The traveler does not have to provide documentation, nor does

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Speaker 1: the dog have to wear a vest. I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: you can go on a plane with a dog not

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Speaker 1: in a carrier. I think you should have to show something,

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Speaker 1: you know, card or whatever. Wait a minute, did I

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Speaker 1: hear right? A nearly fifty pound pit bull is a

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Speaker 1: comfort dog. That would not be a comfort to me

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Speaker 1: on a plane. I can tell you that much much

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Speaker 1: less with my children on there. It would be either

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Speaker 1: me or that dog. Penny Doug with fur lawyer, animal activists.

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Speaker 1: I know you're just, you know, chomping at the bit

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Speaker 1: on this one, but I do not want a pit

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Speaker 1: bull next to my children on a plane. You know,

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Speaker 1: the other day, I don't know if you guys know

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Speaker 1: about this, but I rebe somebody had a comfort alligator,

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Speaker 1: a comfort a service alligator. Yes, Robert Wilensky, what do

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Speaker 1: they mean a fifty pound pit bull comfort dog? Let's focus.

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Speaker 1: How many times, Nancy, have you been in the airport.

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Speaker 1: I've been in the airport and we see these dogs,

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Speaker 1: and you know damn well that it is not a

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Speaker 1: comfort dog. I am all about people who are blind

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Speaker 1: who have their dog and they have the vest and

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Speaker 1: they have the tags, and they have the paperwork and

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Speaker 1: the documents, and these people seriously need a dog. But

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Speaker 1: I've seen little foo food dogs. I've seen these huge pitballs.

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Speaker 1: I flew to Vegas recently there was a huge pit

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Speaker 1: ball sitting in the bulkhead. My parents were on a

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Speaker 1: plane recently. My dad got peed on by a dog

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Speaker 1: in the bulkhead that was not caged, and the airline

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Speaker 1: offered him fifty dollars I guess for the dry cleaning.

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Speaker 1: But this is outrageous that this fifty pound pitball is

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Speaker 1: running around now. One of the airlines, Delta, has banned

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Speaker 1: this practice and if you have a dog, you have

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Speaker 1: to create it. Hey, the fee and the dog goes

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Speaker 1: into the belly of the plane. This is nonsense. People

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Speaker 1: are taking advantage of the rules. Well, she's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: You know, a trained service dog is not what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this case. We're talking about people taking on

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Speaker 1: their therapy dogs, whatever their comfort dogs. But there's no

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Speaker 1: regulation on it. There's very little oversight, and it's gotten

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Speaker 1: way out of hand. I appreciated your stories, but can

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Speaker 1: we get back to the malling because I am looking

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Speaker 1: at I'm all about dog tt in fact, the other day,

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Speaker 1: fat boy ran in the house and went straight to

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Speaker 1: my mother's automan and t teet on it, just straight

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Speaker 1: to it like it was calling him. Long story short,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this little girl. miRNA Gonzales has filed

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit on behalf of her daughter, Gabriella, claimbing dog

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Speaker 1: on her. Michelle Brannan should have known her animal had

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Speaker 1: vicious propensities this child. Have you seen this picture? Jackie

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Speaker 1: is just covered in blood on her face. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's going to be permanent scars or not.

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Speaker 1: So what do we do to Doris Lynn to right

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Speaker 1: her legal affairs at Animal Protection League New Jersey? What

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Speaker 1: is the mom supposed to do? What's the answer? Hold on,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to this tonight the par of this

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Speaker 1: five year old girl mauled by a pit bull at

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Speaker 1: an airport gate, suing Alaska Airlines, Portland's airport and the

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Speaker 1: dog's owner for allegedly letting a dangerous emotional support animal

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Speaker 1: into the airport without a carrier. Gabriella Gonzalez's parents say

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Speaker 1: the incident back in twenty seventeen left their daughter severely injured.

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Speaker 1: In court documents claiming it happened because the airport allowed

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Speaker 1: a passenger into a secure area with a pit bull

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Speaker 1: that was not a trained and registered service animal. We've

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Speaker 1: seen incidents involving support animal turn into airplat walls. Other

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Speaker 1: times people have claimed animals like this peacock were for

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Speaker 1: emotional support. Several major carriers since refining their rules as

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Speaker 1: a result, Delta even banning all pit bull type dogs.

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Speaker 1: Alaska Airlines saying they are heartbroken by this incident. Portland's

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Speaker 1: airport now acquires emotional support animals be kept in their carriers. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're hearing from our friends at ABC News, as reporter

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Speaker 1: Kanye Whitworth. Earlier you heard from KATU reporter is Lytle.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture right now, Penny Douglas fur

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Speaker 1: of an emotional support alligator. I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: I recalled that correctly. Yes, his name is Wally. He

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Speaker 1: has a lot of teeth. I'm looking at a twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen photo of the emotional support alligator and he is

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Speaker 1: walking into Spirit Trust Lutheran Village in York, Pennsylvania. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I thought it would have to be Orlando, Florida,

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Speaker 1: but it's York Pennsylvania. I'm I understand that there are

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Speaker 1: support chickens, support squirrels, support pigs, and penny. The reason

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use because you insist that there's a

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Speaker 1: support peacock. The picture of the support peacock and the

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Speaker 1: gentleman earlier is absolutely correct. There needs to be some

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Speaker 1: kind of oversight with support animals because it's gotten to

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Speaker 1: the point where people now are making money certificates to

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Speaker 1: put your dog's name or your peacock's name, or your

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Speaker 1: alligator's name on a support animals certificate so you can

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Speaker 1: show it at the airport or wherever. They've got to

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Speaker 1: get some kind of control over this and then have

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Speaker 1: people have to go to a doctor and have people

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Speaker 1: to have to go through some steps to train the animal.

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Speaker 1: You can't just call and get a certificate. That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: There's just no oversought. Doris Lynn, director Legal Affairs, Animal

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Speaker 1: Protection League, New Jersey way in. Doris, Yes, I just

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Speaker 1: heard a news clip that or one of the airlines

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Speaker 1: is banning pitbull type animals. That is the wrong answer.

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Speaker 1: Brief specific legislation is I don't know, Doris. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I'm not crazy about the service squirrel.

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Speaker 1: But I'd rather have a service squirrel next to me

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Speaker 1: in a seat on the plane at my children than

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Speaker 1: a service pitbull. But we can't blame the breed, you know,

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Speaker 1: like this organizations say, you know, punish the deed, not

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Speaker 1: the breed. And if we look at temperament tests, you know,

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Speaker 1: pimples are exceeded by many other breeds as far as

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Speaker 1: aggression goes, So definitely that is not the answer. Maybe

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Speaker 1: there does need to be some kind of certification program,

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Speaker 1: some kind of standards so that you know, someone can't

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Speaker 1: just walk on a plane and say, you know, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is my comfort elephant. You know, I think there

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Speaker 1: does need to be some better regulation. Well I think

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Speaker 1: we said it all. We said comfort alligator. Okay, Grace Stafford,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. I think there's a way to meet in

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Speaker 1: the middle here, and one is we need to make

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Speaker 1: it easier for people to travel with their pets and animals,

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Speaker 1: but we need to do it in a way that's

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Speaker 1: safe for the general public. So, whether it's traveling underneath

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Speaker 1: the plane in a carrier, can I ask you a question,

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Speaker 1: is it just me? Or why do you have to

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Speaker 1: travel with your pet with you in the plane around children.

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Speaker 1: Why why do you have to do that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: am I missing something? Well? I agree, I think I

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Speaker 1: think there's a way to do it that makes the

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Speaker 1: less So why do we have to have chicken on

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Speaker 1: the plane? Well it won't be a big deal, right

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Speaker 1: what but you looked at no, no, no, Penny? What

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Speaker 1: did you just say? Because I grew up with my

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Speaker 1: grandmother on Jeda farm, we had defeated chickens. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever fed them? You walk out with a handful of seed?

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Speaker 1: They it's like the birds. Did you see that? That's real?

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Speaker 1: But with chickens, chickens I grew up in the country. Well,

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Speaker 1: you also have six roote wilders running through your house.

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Speaker 1: So I take everything you say with a box of salt.

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Speaker 1: Penny Douglas far was that? What? Great? Was I with you?

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Speaker 1: Or did I detoured to Penny? Go ahay? Gray? Well,

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Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, relying on a certification

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Speaker 1: or a new law is kind of after the fact.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone out there traveling or around any animal

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Speaker 1: they don't know needs to assume that that animal poses

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Speaker 1: a risk until their behavior demonstrates that it doesn't. And

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Speaker 1: so we're far too trusting around animals that We don't

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Speaker 1: know when we encounter them along the street or an

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Speaker 1: airport or whatever. So we shouldn't assume that a certificate

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Speaker 1: or a law is going to protect us. It's not.

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Speaker 1: We have to use a little more common sense and

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Speaker 1: be guarded until we know that the animal is safe

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Speaker 1: to be around. Well, there's another issue, and that is

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Speaker 1: you know how your ears hurt when sometimes when you

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Speaker 1: go on a plane, and animals, especially dogs are super

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Speaker 1: sensitive with their hearing and their smell. How much do

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Speaker 1: you think it hurts them? And you're hurting a dog

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Speaker 1: with the altitude change, and what does it do? Snap

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Speaker 1: and by It's just to me, it's a no win situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't even understand how this has happening. And I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem banning pit bulls from a plane.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like that movie Snakes in a plane.

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Speaker 1: Why are they there same thing about pit bulls. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you disagree, Penny, I totally disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should blame the break because there's

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Speaker 1: some very good pit bulls. Just because some are aggressive

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're all agreed. Then I don't think you

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Speaker 1: should ever blame a breed of animal. Okay, you tell

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Speaker 1: that tim Rna Gonzalez and her little girl, Gabriella. I'll

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Speaker 1: just leave it at that running. The child had already

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Speaker 1: been airlifted to Nordkalom Batter's Hospital when we received the call.

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Speaker 1: Police say it happened at this Salisbury home on Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Jacari's babysitter left him in his car seat inside the

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Speaker 1: home while she went outside to clean the back seat

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Speaker 1: of her car. That's when the babysitter's dog, a four

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Speaker 1: year old boxer pit bull mix, attacked Jakari. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we are currently still interviewing the family members of the residents,

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Speaker 1: and also we were interviewing some of the neighbors. Nine

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Speaker 1: one dispatched Rowan County Animal Control. Once he got Darryls

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Speaker 1: how bad the situation was. That's when I notified us

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Speaker 1: and I said by that time, the child had already

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Speaker 1: been transferred to another facility. Jachary died shortly after the attack.

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Speaker 1: Asked for the animal in question, this is the dog

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Speaker 1: who police say killed Jakari. The pit bull mix was

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Speaker 1: passed for his babies vaccination and has displayed aggressive behavior

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Speaker 1: at the shelter. The investigation is ongoing. We're not sure

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Speaker 1: exactly if this could have been aboarted or not. You're

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Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at WCNC. They're in Sherillotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: A six month old baby boy mauled dead by his

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Speaker 1: babysitters pitbull boxer mix Penny. What is with you going

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Speaker 1: pit bulls are being singled out. I'm more worried about Jakari,

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Speaker 1: the little baby, and you're worried about pitbulls and what

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Speaker 1: they're human rights violations. No, but I can tell you

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Speaker 1: cases where Docsin's attacked and killed the baby. It's not

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Speaker 1: just pitbulls that kill a baby. But you people don't

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Speaker 1: like to hear those stories, and like when pitbulls save

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Speaker 1: a child, I don't like to hear any story about

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Speaker 1: a dog eating a baby. Okay, let's just put that

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Speaker 1: out there. I don't know how you can keep defending

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Speaker 1: pitbulls have safe children. I love that story, pipples have

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Speaker 1: safe children. Let me get the facts, Robin will let's

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Speaker 1: key what happened, Nancy. Here's the thing. This six month

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Speaker 1: old baby is innocent, sitting in the house the babysitter.

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Speaker 1: She probably didn't mean it. It's the old story, you

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Speaker 1: look away for just a second. She went outside, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden she heard screams. Her mother was inside,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you turn around for a second, and

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Speaker 1: your kid, by accident, touches the stove. And just as

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Speaker 1: soon as that babysitter walked outside that home, the dog

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Speaker 1: went wild on the baby. Well, why would you leave

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Speaker 1: a baby with the pit bull? I mean, Robin, why

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Speaker 1: does she leave the baby with the pit bull? My

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Speaker 1: understanding of the situation was that she went outside to

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Speaker 1: her car to get something that they were getting ready

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Speaker 1: to leave, and she stepped away for a second, and

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Speaker 1: that's all it takes. The infantcip car Along was attacked

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Speaker 1: by his babysitter's dog, Salisbury, North Carolina. She says she

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Speaker 1: went outside to clean her car. Then her mother, screaming

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Speaker 1: from the living room where she left the baby, walked

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Speaker 1: in to find the boxer pitbull biting the six month old.

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Speaker 1: The baby Jakari died. Jakari Lexington was in that living

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Speaker 1: room there in Salsbury's, two thirty in the afternoon. This

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Speaker 1: is just overwhelming to me that this could happen to

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Speaker 1: doctor Gray Stafford, animal trainer or zoologist, host of zoologic

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Speaker 1: podcasts talk to me about dog attacks on infants. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand it. Well, it's gut wrenching, as you say.

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Speaker 1: And there's a unifying theme in all these sad stories,

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Speaker 1: whether someone's injured or in this case killed, and that

679
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: is you've got animals that are either uncontrolled, unprepared, or

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Speaker 1: at some point unsupervised. And it's a common theme that

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Speaker 1: we see. And there is no we stepped away for

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Speaker 1: a moment. You cannot do that when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: children or the elderly in the presence of an animal.

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Speaker 1: You just can't do it, because animals don't always respond

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Speaker 1: rationally as we hope they would in new situations. It

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Speaker 1: straight to you, Doris Land direct to Legal Affairs, Animal

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Speaker 1: Protection League, New Jersey, What do you make of this? So,

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Speaker 1: of course this was horrible, This is tragic, and you know,

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Speaker 1: whether the animal had exhibited agressive behavior before will determine,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether she's um negligent or you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: um you know, criminally prosecuted. But I do have to

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Speaker 1: object to these headlines that constantly, constantly say pitbull. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The media knows that it will generate clicks, it will

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Speaker 1: generate views and that's why they put a pitbull in

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Speaker 1: these headlines. If you know a collie docstions, beagal bites

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Speaker 1: a person. It never says colleague Mall's baby, you know,

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Speaker 1: beagle bites elderly woman. They do it for pitbulls. They

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Speaker 1: do it for German shepherds, Rottwilers because no, it will

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00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: generate clicks and this um this creates this narrative about

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Speaker 1: certain breeds that is, you know, really unfair. So, Penny,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we're stirring you up again with unfair

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Speaker 1: to pit bulls. I'm sorry, I disagree. Maybe you want

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Speaker 1: to blame the media, that's fine. But every story I

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Speaker 1: hear about every case I've handled is typically a pit bull,

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Speaker 1: a pit bull mix, or a Rottweiler. Yes, occasionally a

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Speaker 1: press the Canaria like yours, and occasionally a dockson. I

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Speaker 1: guess you could call mine a doxon. They told me

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Speaker 1: at the pound he was pure bred doxin. Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: pure bred mutt. That is not a dosin. But why

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Speaker 1: is it always a pit bull we hear about Penny

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Speaker 1: Douglas first, everybody lying, but you endorse Lynn. No, it's

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact. You know that the pit bull

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Speaker 1: is not the one that bites most often. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a lab If you look at the number of bites,

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Speaker 1: it's not coming from a pit bull. Well well wait wait,

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Speaker 1: how about the number of deaths? Well, guess would also

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Speaker 1: come from the people that are reporting it. You're hearing

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Speaker 1: it from the media. Oh, the main media bullying up

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Speaker 1: on the poor pit bull. Penny. I see the picture,

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Speaker 1: the photo. I got photographic evidence of your husband on

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Speaker 1: a sofa with a dog that is physically bigger than him.

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Speaker 1: I thought the picture had been doctored for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: Robert Lensky, where does this case stand now? Well, the

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Speaker 1: situation is that the parents of this little boy are

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Speaker 1: absolutely distraught, and the police continue to investigate the babysitter.

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Speaker 1: But I want to tell you that the father actually said, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and this is a quote, he said, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be here. I want my baby back, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. That kind of reverges

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Speaker 1: on possible suicide. He is distraught. In is heartbreaking, and

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Speaker 1: they do have a go FUNDI page, but it still

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Speaker 1: is under investigation. I'm looking, according to Forbes, in America's

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Speaker 1: most dangerous dog breeds, and this is all the way

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Speaker 1: from two thousand and five to twenty seventeen. Pitbull two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four attack fatal attacks on humans, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four fatal attacks, Rottweiler forty five, German

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Speaker 1: shepherd twenty mixed breed seventeen, bulldog fifteen, mastiff, bull mastiff fourteen,

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Speaker 1: husky thirteen, lab nine, boxer seven, Doberman six. They don't

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Speaker 1: even have docksins on here, so pitbull by well, I

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Speaker 1: can send you cases where docksins killed a base. Please do,

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Speaker 1: because I doubt it's going to equal the three hundred

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Speaker 1: dead bodies caused by pitbulls. I will leave it as that.

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Speaker 1: Penny Douglas, Doris Land, I'm sure you agree with me.

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Speaker 1: Robert Less, keep just the neutral arbiter of the facts.

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Speaker 1: And doctor Gray Stafford from Zoologic. He's always on the

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Speaker 1: side of the animal. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye,

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Speaker 1: Friend one