WEBVTT - Schneef'd on the Cuckaine 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:06.240 It's to twelve am in the US Virgin Islands and 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:18.680 you're listening to Night Hello, and welcome to Night Call, 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.160 a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. Here angelis, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.640 I'm Tess Lynch, and with me are Molly Lambert and 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.120 Emily Ashida on the other line in New York. Welcome 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.280 to another episode of our podcast. Guys, before we begin, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.280 if you would like to send us a Night callig, question, comment, rant, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.040 ghost story, or question for advice, please give us a 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.680 call at two four oh four six night or you 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.159 can email us at Nightcall podcast at gmail dot com. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.199 And don't forget to subscribe, rate and review on Apple 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.040 podcast because we love that. So today we have a 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.480 kind of freeform pod. Um. Molly was recently reading Kelsey 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.720 Grammars autography. To clarify, I didn't actually read it. I 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.480 listened to it. You read with your ears, read with 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.920 my ears. My friend Sarah came down from San Francisco 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.920 and she rented a car. In the car they offered 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.800 her was a Mustang convertible, amazing, and so she said sure, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.679 and then she's like, the only thing I want to 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.399 blast out of this car is Kelsey Grammar's autobiography. She 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.240 was she was making the drive by herself, so she 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.960 downloaded a couple of audio books. I think she downloaded 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.640 Infinite Jazz and Kelsey Grammar's audio book. How long is 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.319 the audio book for Infinite Jazz? I mean think she 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.400 was like, it's the five or six hour drive. Got 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.560 to load up with some Uh. The Kelsey Grammar Book 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.800 is an autobiography Kelsey Grammar wrote in so like at 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.560 the peak of Frasier years. Uh, and it feels as 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.760 though it may have been written under the influence of 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.840 which is uh something he talks about in the book. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.080 Uh speaks about on the audio book where you get 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.080 to hear his his voice say all the things on 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.480 Kaine on the audio book. Look, I mean, it definitely 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.720 proves that he's not Dr Fraser Crane, but I was saying, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.960 it's sort of implies that he might really besideshow Bob, Yeah, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.079 you know, it's not that I feel more sympathetic towards him, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.720 but he did have like a crazy life kind of 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:29.480 that involved both his sister and father dying by being murdered. Um, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.560 and Test said, le you know what that means. I said, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.799 if this were the staircase, Molly, what would you be thinking. Look, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.920 he wasn't there when it happened, so he says, allegedly. Allegedly, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.800 So his sister, uh was sort of just like a rebel. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.160 And Uh, they were all I think they grew up 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.880 in Florida. Here's what I learned about Helsey Grammar. He 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:56.560 was really into surfing, surfing, he was like, well he 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.640 also the way he describes himself as though he was 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.040 like incredibly like just deep and wise. As a child, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.120 it is so Mary, He's just like And then as 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.880 a child, I like looked at the stars and realized that, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.760 like I am God. He has this one part where 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.520 he talks about surfing and like where he's like I 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.480 realized I might be Jesus Christ, because because Jesus was 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:22.600 as we all know, but his father was like a 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:28.440 crazy man, colonialist, evil guy who like had a hotel 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.399 or something or a bar in the US Virgin Islands 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.840 where Kelsey was born. And then I wasn't in Kelsey's 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.760 life at all, but was basically like just a super racist, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.360 nightmare colonialist white guy in the Virgin Islands. Uh. And 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.040 then he was murdered by the locals for being such 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:52.880 a deck. How amazing in when he wrote so Far, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:04:00.200 which is the title of this book, so Far ellipses, Yes, importantly, Um, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.040 but I just want to clarify. Was he like um, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.520 like talking about his father like that, that asshole, or 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.480 was he like my sweet father sort of? His father 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.720 was absent in his life, so he grew up with 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.400 like maybe like a mean stepdad or something, maybe a 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.919 nice stepdad. I don't remember. It was a long book. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.719 We didn't even get up to Cheers in our listening. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.440 It starts with chea, with him getting cast on cheers, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.680 and then it's like flashing all the way back to 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:34.200 the beginning of my life. You guys, it is officially 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.800 spring and it's about to get super hot in l A. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.560 And I've noticed that Molly and I out here in 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.640 l A. 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I think like during 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.040 Frasier time in the present day, I think in Frasier time. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.920 And then his sister was murdered just totally randomly and 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.440 viciously by like a local group of kids who were 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.120 maybe like doing it as like an initiation or something. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.760 It was like teenagers. She was like working late at 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.920 a red lobster and they just like broken and was 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.240 also in the U S Scradgean Islands. No, this was 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.160 in Colorado, Yeah, Colorado. And then Kelsey had to go 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.240 to Colorado to I D the body and he just 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.680 describes that experience and it was like horrible. So he 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.360 comes off as like a weird, fucked up person, definitely, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.240 and he's very much talking a lot about like my demons. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.720 I mean, the one thing that he has always struck 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.560 me about like housewives, especially Beverly Hills Housewives, is like 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.840 there's like an disproportionate amount of horrible tragedy that befalls 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.240 these people. And I don't know how you know. I mean, 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.960 he was obviously at an early house Husband Camille Grammars 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.760 no longer on the show. But like I always think 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.600 of this, like how did these epic, like like Shakespearean 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.840 level tragedies and horror stories happened? Like seemed to keep 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:31.560 it's the real well. He cut his teeth doing Shakespeare, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.360 being in the Shakespeare Company in San Diego at the 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.880 Old Globe. That's where he got into Shakespeare. And then 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.040 he was plucked from the original production of Hurley Burley. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.839 On this he was in Hurley Burley directed by Mike 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.600 Nichols in the original run and he did the Cheers 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.120 audition You've never seen Cheers. He got cast on Cheers. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.360 He said, hey, Mike Nichols, will you let me out 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.400 of my contract? And Mike Nichols was like, hell no. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.880 And then he had his friends like call Mike Nichols 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.000 and like bag and please. He said something about like 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.240 Mike Nichols, like tempestuous nature that he is so beloved for. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.120 It's a very shady book. Which is Ben is chomping 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.040 at the bit here. I know he wants to get 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.280 a word. I just want to ask, Hi, everyone is Ben? 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.920 I was interested in Molly. I've never read or listened 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.400 to his book. But did he talk about his half 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:29.760 brothers or the circumstances of their deaths? Okay? So uh? 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.040 The official record is that they both drowned, although only 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.640 one body was retreated. I did know that there was 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.079 a drowning later on. What are you just so? This 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.000 is that? You know we've talked about two tragedies. These 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.600 are the other two total four tragedies in Kelsey's life. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.520 Um so it's two half brothers. Um I believe in 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:56.160 the Caribbean we're scuba diving and one body was to trieve. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.280 The others never been found. It's believed to have been 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:07.040 a shark tech Geez, did Kelsey makeup act with Satan 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.600 when he was a young Jesus haired surfer? What guys 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.200 would you like to read some passages from Kelsey Grammer's 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.840 so Far, and thank you very much to Ben for 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:24.319 compiling these. This is this is He is our ros truly. Yeah. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.920 He just spent like two hours just really laser focused 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.760 skimming through this book, the book of so far dot 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.640 dot dot. You want me to do the forward? Yeah, 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:40.280 to the forward. Years after my sister had died, a 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.800 friend of hers told me this story. One night. She 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.240 and Karen had been talking of life and family and 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.720 where we all were going. Karen stopped and thought for 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.280 a minute and then said, I'm not so sure about myself, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.200 but I do know this, Kelsey's going to do it all. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.960 So I dedicate this book to Karen A Lisa Grammer. Karen, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.760 if I haven't done at all, I promise I will 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:13.600 still keep trying. That's pretty that's pretty exemplary. He was like, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.000 it's like everyone in his life is like Kelsey, you 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.679 are the greatest man, who were the Golden Child? Like 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:25.760 I know, I know, I'm wondering. I'll read the next bit. Uh. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.520 Here's here's the story of how Kelsey got cast on Cheers. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.160 And it's called Weirdness and Kelsey's Life by our producer Bend. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.560 Two years into Cheers, the producers decided to add a 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.120 new character, an uptight, intellectual psychiatrist who knew exactly what 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.000 was wrong with everybody else, but not what was screwing 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.600 him up. They looked at a great many actors in 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.320 Los Angeles. No one was right, so they started looking 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.960 in New York. They looked at stand up comics, and 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.319 they looked at actors, and then they found me. They 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.000 found me because every moment of my life led them 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.640 to finding me where the strands of causality are most visible. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.840 I found me because I had been in the Stephen 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.400 Sondheim musical called Sunday in the Park with George, and 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.240 that was weird. I used this word advisedly to to 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.640 that point, my life had included such weirdness as the 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.840 murder of my father, the rape and murder of my 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.040 beloved and only sister, the drowning deaths of my two 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.160 half brothers, and a marriage that went south even before 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.280 the ceremony. But it was definitely weird that I ever 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.800 got to sing on stage in New York, because the 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.280 thing of it was when I was chosen for Sunday 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.920 in the Park with George. I was in my late twenties, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.280 and I hadn't sung since I was in high school. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:49.840 What weird anywhere near what? I was looking that my 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.280 friend listened to the rest of the book on her 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.840 drive back. I want to I want to hear everything. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.319 Just that it was bananas, Emily. I think it's your 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.600 turn to play Frazer Roulette. You've got a doozy. So 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.320 now we're now we're in the era of Frasier and 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.800 and and putting together the the this cheer spinoff known 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360 as Frasier and So he's talking about some of his 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.120 co star So as for David, of course, finding Niles 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.160 shot out of him like poop through a goose. Working 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.120 with him is effortless. He's exquisite as Niles, a lovely 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.920 man and an amazing actor. I feel like I'm forgetting someone. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.040 Now let me see who could it be? Oh yes, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.680 Moose the dog or Eddie Martin's beloved sidekick in the 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.400 bane of Fraser's existence. It's widely rumored that I hate 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.840 the dog, and it's kind of fun to perpetuate that myth. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.199 The truth is, I have nothing against Moose. The only 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.400 difficulty I have is when people start believing he's an actor. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.960 Acting to me is a craft, not a reflex. It 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.960 takes years to master, and though it does have its rewards, 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.120 the reward I seek is not a hot dog. Moose 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.000 does tricks. I memorize lines, say words, even walk around 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.679 und and stuff. But I don't need a trainer standing 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.480 off camera gesticulating wildly and waving around a piece of 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.440 meat to know where I'm supposed to look. Okay, So 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.319 he hates hates, hated him the dog, hated I love 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.320 the dog would only respond to like it's trainer and 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.800 everybody else that it did not like I mean, I know, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.680 but he's like mad at the dog forgetting laughs. It 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.720 starts and you're like, oh, he's gonna kind of like 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.320 he's doing a goof about like I don't hate the dog, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.360 like you know, but it's clearly he's not joking. He 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.640 hates the dog. No, that's the whole book is he's 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.200 incapable of joking, and the whole book has written like jokingly. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.080 But it's like clear that he means everything he says God, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.400 a lot of which is bonkers. And then Ben added 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.400 another part that I don't even know if we have 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.000 to read it out loud, we can just sum up 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:53.240 that a racist recreation of what it must have been 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.560 like for Native Americans to encounter the first settlers to 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.920 the isle of Manhattan. Uh, and he's is the word power? 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.280 But um and and I please just read the last line. Yes, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.160 of course, the Europeans knew a lot about vertical expression, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.640 and for them this place was perfect. And so Manhattan 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:20.480 became a great canvas for glorious erections of the Western mind. Wonderful, wonderful, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.160 glorious directions. And like some like Western like some creepy 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.560 Western civilization, like the new Europeans know what to do. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:34.040 Off fuck off Kelsey. Yeah, I recommend uh listening to 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.600 the audio book and give us a night call to 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.720 tell us what you thought and what your favorite part 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.840 of Kelsey Grammars were. If there are any good celebrity 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.840 autobiographies or memoirs that we should read, because I think 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.760 that this is the generre we are into, especially ones 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.280 written in the midst of the crazy part of their 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.720 life where they are perhaps flying on cocaine while writing it. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.240 If they're really sniffed and you have an excerpt you 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.920 want read on air, please end it to us and 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.520 we will re enact the sneafiest parts of your favorite 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.680 books I'm thinking of now that I'll maybe I'll bring 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.320 into it. I always wanted to um going back to 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.280 the hoodies time. I wanted to read the Brandy from 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:18.920 Housewives memoir, which is like, oh, tweeting and drinking. You 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.520 guys watch Yeah, the Holly Madison book is a class 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.600 of the genre. It's actually a great book about the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.280 two thousand's and I'm gonna make you guys read it 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.600 so we can talk about it. That book is crazy 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.720 because the first act is getting into and then escaping 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.960 from the Playboy Mansion and all the crazy power dynamics 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.200 of the Playboy Mansion that are like horrible and terrifying. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.680 And then the second half is she escapes to Las 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.200 Vegas and then she gets in an equally nightmarish relationship 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.000 with Chris Angel mind free, and then she has to 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.880 escape from that. It's a great somebody would you rather 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.360 be working at the Playboy Mansion or at the Moonlight 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.160 Bunny Ranch. I just read something I don't remember where 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.960 it was of someone who was working there and they 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.280 loved work there. I used to watch that show on 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.359 HBO all the time. I think we're going to take 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.840 some night calls. Now I'm gonna take a bunch of 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.040 night calls. Let's do it. A night call, a thon, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.960 perhaps a fucking grip of night calls. Do we have 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.120 one from Teresa, my night callers? This is Teresa from 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.359 Washington State. UM. I wanted to thank you for starting 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.800 this podcast when my son was one month old, because 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.080 you definitely kept me companies during those long, lonely nights 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.720 of the night feeding. UM. Now he's a little older 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.840 and seeping through the night a little bit, and UM, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.080 I get to enjoy you during the daylight hours as well. UM. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:49.280 So my question is which are you more fascinated by? Uh, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:56.960 colts or serial killers? And uh, which which one? If 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.520 you we're doing a deep dive for a cool or 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.520 a book or something like that, which subjects um and 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.320 specific cult or serial killer would you want to profile? 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.680 And uh and I'm gonna Nick's Zoliac from the list. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.960 Thanks by well, first of all, TREESA, thank you so 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.800 much for calling in and congratulations on your baby. Yeah, congratulations, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.840 Nicoll says, what's up? Um, and that's also really cool 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.960 that you're listening to a podcast about conspiracy theories and 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.720 cults and serial killers. While your nursing baby really strong 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.720 start for the child. I mean I was doing the 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:41.280 same thing. My kids are genius, so congratulations. Um, that's 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.760 a good question. What do you guys think? Wow? I 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.840 mean personally, I feel like, if I had to pick, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.320 I'm going to go with cults because serial killers sometimes 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.959 I get just too creeped out, especially if I watched 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.040 too many true crime things, and I'm like, it just 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.760 makes you just scared to be like a lady in 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.879 the world a little bit too much. Sometimes, you know, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.359 you're like as that I all start like a woman 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.119 was minding her business, and then Uh, so I'm going 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.760 to go with cults because I'm interested in group psychology. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.639 I'm trying to think, like, what's a good one. Well, 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.359 there's this one we keep talking about that it's like 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.800 this cult that predates uh Manson that he kind of 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.879 got a lot of inspirations around, like Palented Box Canyon, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.040 uh that I had never heard of about, But it 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.879 was apparently like a a cult of kind of free 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.480 love people in Los Angeles in an abandoned studio ranch. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.199 What happened was that people's wives would like show up 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.200 at the cult and joined the guru and then maybe 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.520 like the husband finally showed up, like settle up, and 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.320 that's why the cult disbanded. I don't think they murdered anybody. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.120 They just kind of lurked around and creeped people out 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.439 by existing. I am certainly more of a cult person. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.480 I wouldn't even necessarily say that I'm a big serial 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.840 killer person for a lot of the reasons that you 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.480 have brought up. But it's interest seemed to me that 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.280 so many women are really into serial killers, because I 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.400 always feel like it's hard for me as a woman 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.240 a lot of times to like hear these stories over 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.800 and over again. But there's been a lot of discussion 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.639 about like the true crime boom and how much of 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.199 it is sort of how's a female audience, uh, And 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.720 people's explanation is mostly like it's like a safe place 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.840 to vent these fears and to think about stuff that 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.560 is scary and in the background always, and that you know, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.199 they provide these narratives of like people getting caught that 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.200 are comforting and not super realistic. I think it's less 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.600 about people getting caught or like trying to solve it 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.520 or like, um find the culprit. Then like I think 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.320 dwelling on the circumstances of the death and like imagining 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.879 somebody suffering. I get kind of creeped out by Really 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.760 I couldn't really deal with mind Hunter, even because so 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.680 much of it was just like, I mean, they're all 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.840 just motivated by the same thing, which is like misogyny, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.199 and it's boring, and eventually, you know, like do it 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.159 because like a lizard t too, not just because you 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.840 hate women and want to Maybe part of it is 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.440 like wishful thinking that somebody could be a serial killer 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.720 for a reason other than just those long monologues on 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.320 mind Hunter that are like, well I wanted to like 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.360 slice her a little oppressive it just you know, And 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.159 I think that's also why why when there's like the 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.760 occasional female serial killer, or why people were so into 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:26.439 Sheila from uh Wild Wild Country was because there's this 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.399 idea that like only crazy misogynists can be evil, and 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.600 it's like, no, there's like lots of ways people can 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.680 become crazy, crazy or evil, and Sheila it felt like 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.720 a real like more more female drone pilots kind of 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.240 thing where it's like, no, we don't actually want women 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.200 to like also be sociopaths. But there's something a little 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.840 exciting about it because it's so rare that you're like, well, 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.040 if you give somebody, as if you give women like 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.800 a position from which to abuse. I hate to say 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.639 this now because I feel like a creepy person, but 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.520 I'm actually more into serial serial killers than I am 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.200 into cults. Not into them, like I would like more 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.080 of them, but when I'm thinking about super scary things, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:07.959 I think that the problem that I have with cults 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:12.000 is that it's really um hard for me to imagine 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:16.320 a large group of people who are like kind of 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.280 all brainwashed into believing illogical things. Whereas if I'm viewing 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.520 a person who's kind of like isolated, and then most 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.360 of the story inevitably ends up being about the victims 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.879 and law enforcement, and you know, people's responses to that person, 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.760 so they remain like more of kind of an objective, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.159 you know, it's mostly a normal, rational people's response to 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.760 an irrational act. Exactly. Yes, And I think it's easier 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.520 for my head to wrap around the idea that somebody is, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:50.800 you know, this extremely disturbed monster. I really liked Mine Hunter. 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.280 I do agree that eventually you're like kind of numb 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.399 to it. And you're like, this is a lot. But 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.560