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Speaker 1: I'm Tess Lynch, and with me are Molly Lambert and
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Speaker 1: podcast because we love that. So today we have a
Speaker 1: kind of freeform pod. Um. Molly was recently reading Kelsey
Speaker 1: Grammars autography. To clarify, I didn't actually read it. I
Speaker 1: listened to it. You read with your ears, read with
Speaker 1: my ears. My friend Sarah came down from San Francisco
Speaker 1: and she rented a car. In the car they offered
Speaker 1: her was a Mustang convertible, amazing, and so she said sure,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, the only thing I want to
Speaker 1: blast out of this car is Kelsey Grammar's autobiography. She
Speaker 1: was she was making the drive by herself, so she
Speaker 1: downloaded a couple of audio books. I think she downloaded
Speaker 1: Infinite Jazz and Kelsey Grammar's audio book. How long is
Speaker 1: the audio book for Infinite Jazz? I mean think she
Speaker 1: was like, it's the five or six hour drive. Got
Speaker 1: to load up with some Uh. The Kelsey Grammar Book
Speaker 1: is an autobiography Kelsey Grammar wrote in so like at
Speaker 1: the peak of Frasier years. Uh, and it feels as
Speaker 1: though it may have been written under the influence of
Speaker 1: which is uh something he talks about in the book.
Speaker 1: Uh speaks about on the audio book where you get
Speaker 1: to hear his his voice say all the things on
Speaker 1: Kaine on the audio book. Look, I mean, it definitely
Speaker 1: proves that he's not Dr Fraser Crane, but I was saying,
Speaker 1: it's sort of implies that he might really besideshow Bob, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not that I feel more sympathetic towards him,
Speaker 1: but he did have like a crazy life kind of
Speaker 1: that involved both his sister and father dying by being murdered. Um,
Speaker 1: and Test said, le you know what that means. I said,
Speaker 1: if this were the staircase, Molly, what would you be thinking. Look,
Speaker 1: he wasn't there when it happened, so he says, allegedly. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: So his sister, uh was sort of just like a rebel.
Speaker 1: And Uh, they were all I think they grew up
Speaker 1: in Florida. Here's what I learned about Helsey Grammar. He
Speaker 1: was really into surfing, surfing, he was like, well he
Speaker 1: also the way he describes himself as though he was
Speaker 1: like incredibly like just deep and wise. As a child,
Speaker 1: it is so Mary, He's just like And then as
Speaker 1: a child, I like looked at the stars and realized that,
Speaker 1: like I am God. He has this one part where
Speaker 1: he talks about surfing and like where he's like I
Speaker 1: realized I might be Jesus Christ, because because Jesus was
Speaker 1: as we all know, but his father was like a
Speaker 1: crazy man, colonialist, evil guy who like had a hotel
Speaker 1: or something or a bar in the US Virgin Islands
Speaker 1: where Kelsey was born. And then I wasn't in Kelsey's
Speaker 1: life at all, but was basically like just a super racist,
Speaker 1: nightmare colonialist white guy in the Virgin Islands. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then he was murdered by the locals for being such
Speaker 1: a deck. How amazing in when he wrote so Far,
Speaker 1: which is the title of this book, so Far ellipses, Yes, importantly, Um,
Speaker 1: but I just want to clarify. Was he like um,
Speaker 1: like talking about his father like that, that asshole, or
Speaker 1: was he like my sweet father sort of? His father
Speaker 1: was absent in his life, so he grew up with
Speaker 1: like maybe like a mean stepdad or something, maybe a
Speaker 1: nice stepdad. I don't remember. It was a long book.
Speaker 1: We didn't even get up to Cheers in our listening.
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Speaker 1: story about how he got in trouble for having long
Speaker 1: hair in high school and rather than cut his hair,
Speaker 1: he would just wear a wig every day. There's like
Speaker 1: a description at the beginning when he's setting up like
Speaker 1: we'll get back to this later where he talks about
Speaker 1: just like crashings convertible on coke. I think like during
Speaker 1: Frasier time in the present day, I think in Frasier time.
Speaker 1: And then his sister was murdered just totally randomly and
Speaker 1: viciously by like a local group of kids who were
Speaker 1: maybe like doing it as like an initiation or something.
Speaker 1: It was like teenagers. She was like working late at
Speaker 1: a red lobster and they just like broken and was
Speaker 1: also in the U S Scradgean Islands. No, this was
Speaker 1: in Colorado, Yeah, Colorado. And then Kelsey had to go
Speaker 1: to Colorado to I D the body and he just
Speaker 1: describes that experience and it was like horrible. So he
Speaker 1: comes off as like a weird, fucked up person, definitely,
Speaker 1: and he's very much talking a lot about like my demons.
Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing that he has always struck
Speaker 1: me about like housewives, especially Beverly Hills Housewives, is like
Speaker 1: there's like an disproportionate amount of horrible tragedy that befalls
Speaker 1: these people. And I don't know how you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was obviously at an early house Husband Camille Grammars
Speaker 1: no longer on the show. But like I always think
Speaker 1: of this, like how did these epic, like like Shakespearean
Speaker 1: level tragedies and horror stories happened? Like seemed to keep
Speaker 1: it's the real well. He cut his teeth doing Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: being in the Shakespeare Company in San Diego at the
Speaker 1: Old Globe. That's where he got into Shakespeare. And then
Speaker 1: he was plucked from the original production of Hurley Burley.
Speaker 1: On this he was in Hurley Burley directed by Mike
Speaker 1: Nichols in the original run and he did the Cheers
Speaker 1: audition You've never seen Cheers. He got cast on Cheers.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, Mike Nichols, will you let me out
Speaker 1: of my contract? And Mike Nichols was like, hell no.
Speaker 1: And then he had his friends like call Mike Nichols
Speaker 1: and like bag and please. He said something about like
Speaker 1: Mike Nichols, like tempestuous nature that he is so beloved for.
Speaker 1: It's a very shady book. Which is Ben is chomping
Speaker 1: at the bit here. I know he wants to get
Speaker 1: a word. I just want to ask, Hi, everyone is Ben?
Speaker 1: I was interested in Molly. I've never read or listened
Speaker 1: to his book. But did he talk about his half
Speaker 1: brothers or the circumstances of their deaths? Okay? So uh?
Speaker 1: The official record is that they both drowned, although only
Speaker 1: one body was retreated. I did know that there was
Speaker 1: a drowning later on. What are you just so? This
Speaker 1: is that? You know we've talked about two tragedies. These
Speaker 1: are the other two total four tragedies in Kelsey's life.
Speaker 1: Um so it's two half brothers. Um I believe in
Speaker 1: the Caribbean we're scuba diving and one body was to trieve.
Speaker 1: The others never been found. It's believed to have been
Speaker 1: a shark tech Geez, did Kelsey makeup act with Satan
Speaker 1: when he was a young Jesus haired surfer? What guys
Speaker 1: would you like to read some passages from Kelsey Grammer's
Speaker 1: so Far, and thank you very much to Ben for
Speaker 1: compiling these. This is this is He is our ros truly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He just spent like two hours just really laser focused
Speaker 1: skimming through this book, the book of so far dot
Speaker 1: dot dot. You want me to do the forward? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to the forward. Years after my sister had died, a
Speaker 1: friend of hers told me this story. One night. She
Speaker 1: and Karen had been talking of life and family and
Speaker 1: where we all were going. Karen stopped and thought for
Speaker 1: a minute and then said, I'm not so sure about myself,
Speaker 1: but I do know this, Kelsey's going to do it all.
Speaker 1: So I dedicate this book to Karen A Lisa Grammer. Karen,
Speaker 1: if I haven't done at all, I promise I will
Speaker 1: still keep trying. That's pretty that's pretty exemplary. He was like,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone in his life is like Kelsey, you
Speaker 1: are the greatest man, who were the Golden Child? Like
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm wondering. I'll read the next bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the story of how Kelsey got cast on Cheers.
Speaker 1: And it's called Weirdness and Kelsey's Life by our producer Bend.
Speaker 1: Two years into Cheers, the producers decided to add a
Speaker 1: new character, an uptight, intellectual psychiatrist who knew exactly what
Speaker 1: was wrong with everybody else, but not what was screwing
Speaker 1: him up. They looked at a great many actors in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. No one was right, so they started looking
Speaker 1: in New York. They looked at stand up comics, and
Speaker 1: they looked at actors, and then they found me. They
Speaker 1: found me because every moment of my life led them
Speaker 1: to finding me where the strands of causality are most visible.
Speaker 1: I found me because I had been in the Stephen
Speaker 1: Sondheim musical called Sunday in the Park with George, and
Speaker 1: that was weird. I used this word advisedly to to
Speaker 1: that point, my life had included such weirdness as the
Speaker 1: murder of my father, the rape and murder of my
Speaker 1: beloved and only sister, the drowning deaths of my two
Speaker 1: half brothers, and a marriage that went south even before
Speaker 1: the ceremony. But it was definitely weird that I ever
Speaker 1: got to sing on stage in New York, because the
Speaker 1: thing of it was when I was chosen for Sunday
Speaker 1: in the Park with George. I was in my late twenties,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't sung since I was in high school.
Speaker 1: What weird anywhere near what? I was looking that my
Speaker 1: friend listened to the rest of the book on her
Speaker 1: drive back. I want to I want to hear everything.
Speaker 1: Just that it was bananas, Emily. I think it's your
Speaker 1: turn to play Frazer Roulette. You've got a doozy. So
Speaker 1: now we're now we're in the era of Frasier and
Speaker 1: and and putting together the the this cheer spinoff known
Speaker 1: as Frasier and So he's talking about some of his
Speaker 1: co star So as for David, of course, finding Niles
Speaker 1: shot out of him like poop through a goose. Working
Speaker 1: with him is effortless. He's exquisite as Niles, a lovely
Speaker 1: man and an amazing actor. I feel like I'm forgetting someone.
Speaker 1: Now let me see who could it be? Oh yes,
Speaker 1: Moose the dog or Eddie Martin's beloved sidekick in the
Speaker 1: bane of Fraser's existence. It's widely rumored that I hate
Speaker 1: the dog, and it's kind of fun to perpetuate that myth.
Speaker 1: The truth is, I have nothing against Moose. The only
Speaker 1: difficulty I have is when people start believing he's an actor.
Speaker 1: Acting to me is a craft, not a reflex. It
Speaker 1: takes years to master, and though it does have its rewards,
Speaker 1: the reward I seek is not a hot dog. Moose
Speaker 1: does tricks. I memorize lines, say words, even walk around
Speaker 1: und and stuff. But I don't need a trainer standing
Speaker 1: off camera gesticulating wildly and waving around a piece of
Speaker 1: meat to know where I'm supposed to look. Okay, So
Speaker 1: he hates hates, hated him the dog, hated I love
Speaker 1: the dog would only respond to like it's trainer and
Speaker 1: everybody else that it did not like I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: but he's like mad at the dog forgetting laughs. It
Speaker 1: starts and you're like, oh, he's gonna kind of like
Speaker 1: he's doing a goof about like I don't hate the dog,
Speaker 1: like you know, but it's clearly he's not joking. He
Speaker 1: hates the dog. No, that's the whole book is he's
Speaker 1: incapable of joking, and the whole book has written like jokingly.
Speaker 1: But it's like clear that he means everything he says God,
Speaker 1: a lot of which is bonkers. And then Ben added
Speaker 1: another part that I don't even know if we have
Speaker 1: to read it out loud, we can just sum up
Speaker 1: that a racist recreation of what it must have been
Speaker 1: like for Native Americans to encounter the first settlers to
Speaker 1: the isle of Manhattan. Uh, and he's is the word power?
Speaker 1: But um and and I please just read the last line. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, the Europeans knew a lot about vertical expression,
Speaker 1: and for them this place was perfect. And so Manhattan
Speaker 1: became a great canvas for glorious erections of the Western mind. Wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 1: glorious directions. And like some like Western like some creepy
Speaker 1: Western civilization, like the new Europeans know what to do.
Speaker 1: Off fuck off Kelsey. Yeah, I recommend uh listening to
Speaker 1: the audio book and give us a night call to
Speaker 1: tell us what you thought and what your favorite part
Speaker 1: of Kelsey Grammars were. If there are any good celebrity
Speaker 1: autobiographies or memoirs that we should read, because I think
Speaker 1: that this is the generre we are into, especially ones
Speaker 1: written in the midst of the crazy part of their
Speaker 1: life where they are perhaps flying on cocaine while writing it.
Speaker 1: If they're really sniffed and you have an excerpt you
Speaker 1: want read on air, please end it to us and
Speaker 1: we will re enact the sneafiest parts of your favorite
Speaker 1: books I'm thinking of now that I'll maybe I'll bring
Speaker 1: into it. I always wanted to um going back to
Speaker 1: the hoodies time. I wanted to read the Brandy from
Speaker 1: Housewives memoir, which is like, oh, tweeting and drinking. You
Speaker 1: guys watch Yeah, the Holly Madison book is a class
Speaker 1: of the genre. It's actually a great book about the
Speaker 1: two thousand's and I'm gonna make you guys read it
Speaker 1: so we can talk about it. That book is crazy
Speaker 1: because the first act is getting into and then escaping
Speaker 1: from the Playboy Mansion and all the crazy power dynamics
Speaker 1: of the Playboy Mansion that are like horrible and terrifying.
Speaker 1: And then the second half is she escapes to Las
Speaker 1: Vegas and then she gets in an equally nightmarish relationship
Speaker 1: with Chris Angel mind free, and then she has to
Speaker 1: escape from that. It's a great somebody would you rather
Speaker 1: be working at the Playboy Mansion or at the Moonlight
Speaker 1: Bunny Ranch. I just read something I don't remember where
Speaker 1: it was of someone who was working there and they
Speaker 1: loved work there. I used to watch that show on
Speaker 1: HBO all the time. I think we're going to take
Speaker 1: some night calls. Now I'm gonna take a bunch of
Speaker 1: night calls. Let's do it. A night call, a thon,
Speaker 1: perhaps a fucking grip of night calls. Do we have
Speaker 1: one from Teresa, my night callers? This is Teresa from
Speaker 1: Washington State. UM. I wanted to thank you for starting
Speaker 1: this podcast when my son was one month old, because
Speaker 1: you definitely kept me companies during those long, lonely nights
Speaker 1: of the night feeding. UM. Now he's a little older
Speaker 1: and seeping through the night a little bit, and UM,
Speaker 1: I get to enjoy you during the daylight hours as well. UM.
Speaker 1: So my question is which are you more fascinated by? Uh,
Speaker 1: colts or serial killers? And uh, which which one? If
Speaker 1: you we're doing a deep dive for a cool or
Speaker 1: a book or something like that, which subjects um and
Speaker 1: specific cult or serial killer would you want to profile?
Speaker 1: And uh and I'm gonna Nick's Zoliac from the list.
Speaker 1: Thanks by well, first of all, TREESA, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling in and congratulations on your baby. Yeah, congratulations,
Speaker 1: Nicoll says, what's up? Um, and that's also really cool
Speaker 1: that you're listening to a podcast about conspiracy theories and
Speaker 1: cults and serial killers. While your nursing baby really strong
Speaker 1: start for the child. I mean I was doing the
Speaker 1: same thing. My kids are genius, so congratulations. Um, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. What do you guys think? Wow? I
Speaker 1: mean personally, I feel like, if I had to pick,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with cults because serial killers sometimes
Speaker 1: I get just too creeped out, especially if I watched
Speaker 1: too many true crime things, and I'm like, it just
Speaker 1: makes you just scared to be like a lady in
Speaker 1: the world a little bit too much. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: you're like as that I all start like a woman
Speaker 1: was minding her business, and then Uh, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to go with cults because I'm interested in group psychology.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, like, what's a good one. Well,
Speaker 1: there's this one we keep talking about that it's like
Speaker 1: this cult that predates uh Manson that he kind of
Speaker 1: got a lot of inspirations around, like Palented Box Canyon,
Speaker 1: uh that I had never heard of about, But it
Speaker 1: was apparently like a a cult of kind of free
Speaker 1: love people in Los Angeles in an abandoned studio ranch.
Speaker 1: What happened was that people's wives would like show up
Speaker 1: at the cult and joined the guru and then maybe
Speaker 1: like the husband finally showed up, like settle up, and
Speaker 1: that's why the cult disbanded. I don't think they murdered anybody.
Speaker 1: They just kind of lurked around and creeped people out
Speaker 1: by existing. I am certainly more of a cult person.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even necessarily say that I'm a big serial
Speaker 1: killer person for a lot of the reasons that you
Speaker 1: have brought up. But it's interest seemed to me that
Speaker 1: so many women are really into serial killers, because I
Speaker 1: always feel like it's hard for me as a woman
Speaker 1: a lot of times to like hear these stories over
Speaker 1: and over again. But there's been a lot of discussion
Speaker 1: about like the true crime boom and how much of
Speaker 1: it is sort of how's a female audience, uh, And
Speaker 1: people's explanation is mostly like it's like a safe place
Speaker 1: to vent these fears and to think about stuff that
Speaker 1: is scary and in the background always, and that you know,
Speaker 1: they provide these narratives of like people getting caught that
Speaker 1: are comforting and not super realistic. I think it's less
Speaker 1: about people getting caught or like trying to solve it
Speaker 1: or like, um find the culprit. Then like I think
Speaker 1: dwelling on the circumstances of the death and like imagining
Speaker 1: somebody suffering. I get kind of creeped out by Really
Speaker 1: I couldn't really deal with mind Hunter, even because so
Speaker 1: much of it was just like, I mean, they're all
Speaker 1: just motivated by the same thing, which is like misogyny,
Speaker 1: and it's boring, and eventually, you know, like do it
Speaker 1: because like a lizard t too, not just because you
Speaker 1: hate women and want to Maybe part of it is
Speaker 1: like wishful thinking that somebody could be a serial killer
Speaker 1: for a reason other than just those long monologues on
Speaker 1: mind Hunter that are like, well I wanted to like
Speaker 1: slice her a little oppressive it just you know, And
Speaker 1: I think that's also why why when there's like the
Speaker 1: occasional female serial killer, or why people were so into
Speaker 1: Sheila from uh Wild Wild Country was because there's this
Speaker 1: idea that like only crazy misogynists can be evil, and
Speaker 1: it's like, no, there's like lots of ways people can
Speaker 1: become crazy, crazy or evil, and Sheila it felt like
Speaker 1: a real like more more female drone pilots kind of
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, no, we don't actually want women
Speaker 1: to like also be sociopaths. But there's something a little
Speaker 1: exciting about it because it's so rare that you're like, well,
Speaker 1: if you give somebody, as if you give women like
Speaker 1: a position from which to abuse. I hate to say
Speaker 1: this now because I feel like a creepy person, but
Speaker 1: I'm actually more into serial serial killers than I am
Speaker 1: into cults. Not into them, like I would like more
Speaker 1: of them, but when I'm thinking about super scary things,
Speaker 1: I think that the problem that I have with cults
Speaker 1: is that it's really um hard for me to imagine
Speaker 1: a large group of people who are like kind of
Speaker 1: all brainwashed into believing illogical things. Whereas if I'm viewing
Speaker 1: a person who's kind of like isolated, and then most
Speaker 1: of the story inevitably ends up being about the victims
Speaker 1: and law enforcement, and you know, people's responses to that person,
Speaker 1: so they remain like more of kind of an objective,
Speaker 1: you know, it's mostly a normal, rational people's response to
Speaker 1: an irrational act. Exactly. Yes, And I think it's easier
Speaker 1: for my head to wrap around the idea that somebody is,
Speaker 1: you know, this extremely disturbed monster. I really liked Mine Hunter.
Speaker 1: I do agree that eventually you're like kind of numb
Speaker 1: to it. And you're like, this is a lot. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, like the Zodiac Killer
Speaker 1: for instance, like it's really about the people trying to
Speaker 1: solve the case and and how people feel knowing that
Speaker 1: when they look at us see if people, it's like
Speaker 1: there's how many people are possible murderers and whatever. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're also you're into the like psychology of it.
Speaker 1: I could definitely say, well, when you said you were
Speaker 1: into the psychology of cults, I was like, that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. But in a way, there's something
Speaker 1: almost more kind of like ordinary and and sad about
Speaker 1: a cult because you think of a person who has
Speaker 1: something missing in their life and they're trying to fill
Speaker 1: avoid and they fill it with a charismatic leader and
Speaker 1: they just like eat up all these laws. As opposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a community of people who are
Speaker 1: working against something evil. They're like just becoming this like
Speaker 1: mundane evil mass, which is less interesting to me, Like
Speaker 1: the stakes are lower most of the time. Not with Jonestown.
Speaker 1: Like the way you just described the cult psychology is
Speaker 1: just so incredibly close to something I think anybody can
Speaker 1: see themselves in any day of the week, like it's
Speaker 1: actually it's harder to imagine, but you're but I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying because you're saying it's like, it's not
Speaker 1: like you're a gening yourself as like a serial killer
Speaker 1: that you get obsessed with the people who are obsessed
Speaker 1: with exactly tracking them down, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: the cult thing. It's just you want to be in
Speaker 1: something bigger than yourself that you can throw yourself into,
Speaker 1: and that's just But it's also like if you've ever
Speaker 1: tried to reason with a person who's an a cult,
Speaker 1: which I have and recently yes, right and got nowhere,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating because you're like, you can't help someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be helped and who may not have
Speaker 1: committed a crime. So it's like it's just this thing
Speaker 1: that's sad, But that's not a problem that can be fixed.
Speaker 1: It's just something that you have to I mean again
Speaker 1: like Kanye, where you're like, he's entitled to his opinion
Speaker 1: because you just made me think about is the ault? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the same things and the kind of
Speaker 1: resignation you have to have if like you're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to argue something out of it unless
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Speaker 1: ladies who were on the internet in the gamer Gate era,
Speaker 1: it's like you did come up against this thing of
Speaker 1: like people who like even maybe know that what they
Speaker 1: think is wrong or you know, untrue, but like they
Speaker 1: don't even care. They're just like they like to do
Speaker 1: a little bad Yeah, they like to be a little
Speaker 1: bad boy. And that's the thing. Uh just about a
Speaker 1: lot of these like the edge lords, is like it's
Speaker 1: always just reinforcing something really boring and already dominating, you know.
Speaker 1: Um As far as cults that I would like to
Speaker 1: read more about, I feel like a lot of times
Speaker 1: stuff about um Asian cults doesn't make it to the States.
Speaker 1: There's not like a wild world country of the Unification Church,
Speaker 1: for example. UM. I spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia for for New Religion's New Age religion. And
Speaker 1: it's really interesting how some of them are not classified
Speaker 1: as like maybe a cult, but we're not sure, and
Speaker 1: then some of them are like it seemed fine and
Speaker 1: then it turned out to be a cult. Well, I
Speaker 1: had a relative who was who got who got taken
Speaker 1: in by the by the moonies for a short amount
Speaker 1: of time. Really, it's a it's a fun family story.
Speaker 1: Hey I have a moony story. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: hear story. I was going to the New school and
Speaker 1: I met a girl and we were started dating, and
Speaker 1: she lived in the New Yorker Hotel and she would
Speaker 1: sneak me in and she would throw these big, wild
Speaker 1: parties all our international friends, and she sort of talked
Speaker 1: about being a Mooney and that her and her sister
Speaker 1: was sort of deeply involved. And I was telling my
Speaker 1: friend this story years later, and he looked up the
Speaker 1: family of Sou Young Moon and it was his youngest daughter.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Then weird so and I can't believe
Speaker 1: that at the time, you were like, you were in
Speaker 1: the New Yorker hotel and you were like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is cool. I'm never going to like google this girl
Speaker 1: or whatever three or something. I was dumb. Oh my God,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah. Well, a friend of ours got taken
Speaker 1: in by somebody who she thought was trying to date
Speaker 1: her that turned out to be a multi level marketing scheme.
Speaker 1: Was this the guy who slept in the hospital bed? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there was a friend of mine um briefly dated
Speaker 1: a man who slept in a hospital bed. Is like my,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, is the multi level marketing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, whatever, he slept in a hospital, then like,
Speaker 1: that's the bed he chose for himself. I mean he
Speaker 1: acquired a hospital bed and bought a hospital. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he kept asking her if she wanted to be part
Speaker 1: of a really exciting opportunity, and she was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: he wants to spend more time with a no. No.
Speaker 1: He was like dating women to bring them into his
Speaker 1: multi level marketing scheme. I was work king with someone
Speaker 1: who attempted to bring me into the Mono vee multi
Speaker 1: level marketing scheme, which is a juice, And because I
Speaker 1: can't say no to anything, I was like sure. And
Speaker 1: then they gave me a bunch that I was supposed
Speaker 1: to sell, and I told them I was allergic to it,
Speaker 1: so I needed to return it was just a UM.
Speaker 1: I remember when Katy Perry was doing her live stream,
Speaker 1: like one of the people in the audience, they let
Speaker 1: her talk, ask a question. She just started cold pitching
Speaker 1: her on Landmark. Well, that's like Alice and Mac. I
Speaker 1: think was going after maybe Jessica Valenci. She's just going
Speaker 1: she was going after Merl Streep and well, using women's
Speaker 1: empowerment as like a front for a cult. Know what's
Speaker 1: empowering is being branded on your pelvis. That's empowering. It's
Speaker 1: a choice. Ben, Are you more into cults or serial killers?
Speaker 1: Serial killers? Thank you, Ben, thank you. I was feeling
Speaker 1: super crazy. It was like, there have to be others
Speaker 1: like me. I think that. I think that the current
Speaker 1: podcast marketplace bears that out there are but it knows
Speaker 1: the psychology. It's just fascinating to me. I actually produced
Speaker 1: UM another show where I got to sit in on
Speaker 1: an interview with FBI profiler who had worked on uh
Speaker 1: really like high profile cases and she wait, Ben, are
Speaker 1: you a mind hunter? Yeah? I actually met a real
Speaker 1: life mind hunter. Be like, he's he who hunts the
Speaker 1: mind hunts the mind hunters. Have you guys seen this film? Um?
Speaker 1: I just looked, and it's on Netflix now, which makes
Speaker 1: it great. Uh, so you can actually check it out.
Speaker 1: Called holy hell, No, I haven't watched that. You guys
Speaker 1: need to watch it. It's amazing because it is made
Speaker 1: by this guy who was in It's not even necessarily
Speaker 1: clear that it is a cult. It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that walks up to the line. Um. But
Speaker 1: he started, you know, just documenting everything. I think, like
Speaker 1: the thing you see in Wild Wild Country where it's
Speaker 1: just like all these people they're wanting like for some reason,
Speaker 1: we're just you mention everything obsessively. There's footage of everything.
Speaker 1: So he over I think a decade or something that
Speaker 1: he was in this group um uh called the budda
Speaker 1: Field that was in Los Angeles or West Hollywood. I think,
Speaker 1: um like documentary just being enthusiastic about it and doing
Speaker 1: it because he loved it so much and was like
Speaker 1: the official videographer. But because of that, and he has
Speaker 1: this huge cash of all this stuff from inside this
Speaker 1: this group. As it just got more and more kind
Speaker 1: of sinister and weird and um but it's kind of
Speaker 1: incredible to see something that's kind of just a single
Speaker 1: person's perspective on it as opposed to like a far reaching,
Speaker 1: like researched thing. Um, maybe the key here is just
Speaker 1: document everything. Yeah, when you joined the group totally and
Speaker 1: then get a Netflix show. Well, somebody also saying that
Speaker 1: Alison Mack on Smallville and Andrew Kegan, who ran a
Speaker 1: cult in Venice, that I think we were saying he
Speaker 1: was making them going making some rock and bucha. They're
Speaker 1: both in the movie Camp Aware. Somebody was like, isn't
Speaker 1: it weird too of the actors from Camp Nowhere grew
Speaker 1: up to be dig deep into that. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a good name for a cult. It's interesting too. At
Speaker 1: the end of Wild Wild Country when they show like
Speaker 1: what the campus turned into that it's now the Christian
Speaker 1: with the water park, it's young Life, which is like,
Speaker 1: I mean I narrowly dodged going to Young Life as
Speaker 1: a youth. Um, I never went, but I came close.
Speaker 1: Were you raised religious? Yeah? I didn't know. That's why
Speaker 1: she's into instead of instead of young Life. I think
Speaker 1: I just went to like some youth leadership conference and
Speaker 1: washing in Dundee here. I mean, like, I was in
Speaker 1: a youth group for many, many years, and you know
Speaker 1: it was it was cool. And exciting to me at
Speaker 1: the time, so I was just doing I wish I
Speaker 1: was in Pony Glove geez. I was asking my mom about,
Speaker 1: like when did she become a lapsed Catholic and she
Speaker 1: was telling me that they did. She was like kind
Speaker 1: of into it as a kid because they did the
Speaker 1: ceremony in Latin, and then at a certain point there
Speaker 1: was like the Reformation and they started doing it in English,
Speaker 1: and she was like, as soon as you could hear
Speaker 1: what they were saying, it was like not interesting. I
Speaker 1: read it in this amazing book called The Kingdom, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure once I finish it, I will want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, which is um kind of this sort
Speaker 1: of very highly literary, uh, supposing of what the life
Speaker 1: of Paul was like, who you know, basically is responsible
Speaker 1: for Christianity being the dominant religion of the Western world. Um,
Speaker 1: but that he does talk about that a lot because
Speaker 1: he's a lapsed cap Catholic And just like the it's
Speaker 1: in it's in Latin, so you can't hear how silly
Speaker 1: it is, Like yeah, I just said it was kind
Speaker 1: of like cool and like eyes wide shut. It was
Speaker 1: very mysterious when it was in Latin, and then she
Speaker 1: said it flipped to the sort of the folk rock
Speaker 1: where they're trying to like appeal to the kids by
Speaker 1: doing like Catholicism, and she was like, if you grew
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Speaker 1: your podcasts. We have a night email that I would
Speaker 1: like Molly today. All right, this is comes from Mickey
Speaker 1: Hi on Girls and Hoodies. You were always talking about
Speaker 1: the most interesting shows. I learned about Black Mirror first
Speaker 1: from your pod. Also Secrets of the Living Dolls and
Speaker 1: Slow TV. Do you have any new tips? Wait? What
Speaker 1: was Secrets of the Living Dolls? Oh? That was the
Speaker 1: guy the the Real Dolls. It was really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good one to re recommend, by the way,
Speaker 1: and Slow TV. Also Slow TV. Yeah, it's a good
Speaker 1: time for that. Um I am going to recommend a
Speaker 1: show called Toastalline. I haven't watched it. You guys talking
Speaker 1: about this all the time, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: should once I realized that it was not a reality show,
Speaker 1: because I think I thought it was a reality show
Speaker 1: this whole time. But Toasa London is a show. It's
Speaker 1: on Netflix. It is a British half hour comedy. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's so silly. We should we should let you know
Speaker 1: that it's only for if you're playing silly movies in
Speaker 1: your mind, because it's not about a British actor. It
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of segues well out of the
Speaker 1: Kelsey Grammar stuff too, because it's a out a very pompous,
Speaker 1: self absorbed actor who treads the boards, but it's about
Speaker 1: how his career as a stage actor has sort of
Speaker 1: stalled and he has to do all this voice over work. Um,
Speaker 1: and my friend claimed that the voiceover stuff is all
Speaker 1: based in real life and that it's like incredibly accurate.
Speaker 1: Everybody has the most ridiculous names. Yeah, everyone has a
Speaker 1: funny name. But what I keep saying about is like
Speaker 1: a lot of like what I never liked about a
Speaker 1: lot of anti comedy was sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: go so far in the direction of being unfunny that
Speaker 1: it just would become a chore to watch. It's not
Speaker 1: a normal show. And yeah, my boyfriend was saying it's
Speaker 1: the only show he's ever seen that has musical interludes
Speaker 1: that he likes. Wait, what kind of interim? There are
Speaker 1: just songs. There's like a song and episode. And Matt Barry,
Speaker 1: who's the who plays Steven Toast is also has like
Speaker 1: an indie folk career in real life, and he makes
Speaker 1: this kind of like serious, good psychedelic folk music. I
Speaker 1: think the first one had an almost like a music
Speaker 1: video in it. Emily, what are you watching? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't really have that much time to watch TV. This
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily a recommendation. This was just a weird Netflix experiment.
Speaker 1: And this is also Madmie, and this is like leads
Speaker 1: me to a sidebar about Netflix, which is just like
Speaker 1: they buy up so many movies, so many indie movies
Speaker 1: and like actually fancy movies. And the thing that gets
Speaker 1: recommended to me on my homepage is World's Most Extraordinary Homes,
Speaker 1: which is like a one off special British special UM.
Speaker 1: And so we were like, oh, we can't find anything,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, let's just watch World's Most Extraordinary Homes.
Speaker 1: So so we started to watch it and it's actually
Speaker 1: completely charming. I mean it's just about like homes, like
Speaker 1: incredible architectural feats. Um. The hosts are good, the hosts
Speaker 1: are amazing. I'm so glad that you watched this. British.
Speaker 1: The woman who's like the main host, she is so
Speaker 1: funny because she's just she's like she's uninhibited in her
Speaker 1: in her appreciation for architecture. She's like, uh, she feels
Speaker 1: like she belongs on British bake Off, but she would
Speaker 1: be one of the contestants, not a host. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think we all need things that kind of balance out
Speaker 1: the dark stuff, because you can't just go all serial
Speaker 1: killers and cults all the time. Sometimes you just have
Speaker 1: to watch a reality show about really extravagant holmes. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: speaking of homes, you guys test send us a home
Speaker 1: this week? Oh no, Emily sent up. Please give me
Speaker 1: credit for this. Sorry, I know that you're both looking
Speaker 1: at Well. Sometimes I discover something on Craig's List because
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm looking at Los Angeles Craigslist
Speaker 1: at midnight. Uh no, no particular reason. But I found
Speaker 1: a um home. I won't say where it is, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in my dream home. Like, I will
Speaker 1: just say this. I have a I have a fantasy
Speaker 1: of owning one of these kind of mid century homes, mellow,
Speaker 1: like two bedrooms. Some of them were like one bedroom homes.
Speaker 1: Someone compared it to me it is Megan Draper's crash pad.
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of the vibe of Philip Marl's apartment,
Speaker 1: but it's not apart an apartment. It's small, but it's
Speaker 1: on the hill. The price was suspiciously low, but it
Speaker 1: also but it also looked really um. It was obviously
Speaker 1: hadn't been renovated for a long time, but the headline
Speaker 1: of the post was the God Fearing Home, And so
Speaker 1: of course I sent it to Tess and Molly immediately.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's going on here at tests? Can
Speaker 1: you do some redfin research? Which I immediately did. There's
Speaker 1: nothing I like more than a mysterious real estate listing.
Speaker 1: It's like my favorite thing, and I look at real
Speaker 1: estate constantly, even though I'm never moving again in my
Speaker 1: entire life. So I'm just gonna say how suspicious the
Speaker 1: press was. It was about six hundred dollar, is below
Speaker 1: like the lowest market value for a rental. It's also
Speaker 1: listed for sale. I believe it is a short sale
Speaker 1: or pre foreclosure. So I was like, Emily, are you
Speaker 1: seriously interested in this room? And I texted the person
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about this listing. My friend is interested. And
Speaker 1: I texted them in the afternoon, and then the person
Speaker 1: texted back at one thirty eight am. He gave me
Speaker 1: a nightmall on that home. He didn't answer any of
Speaker 1: my questions. He was like, well, you wanna you wanna
Speaker 1: take a look. He was like, it's month to month.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I'm good. And then
Speaker 1: he texted again the other night and was like he's
Speaker 1: still interested. And I was like, damn it. Why is
Speaker 1: it called the god fearing? He said, and he was
Speaker 1: like it's a good answer because we're good Christians. Of course.
Speaker 1: I was like, of course, of course, Okay, guy leads
Speaker 1: into a Rosemary's Baby. I want to live there in
Speaker 1: such an amazing apartment. Right, That's like what Rosemary's Baby
Speaker 1: is about two is it's like, you're so lucky to
Speaker 1: get an apartment in New York and then you just
Speaker 1: let the devil give you a baby. Well, if not
Speaker 1: the devil owning property, not this hail Satan home? Right,
Speaker 1: but how do we play cake? Right? You have to
Speaker 1: give them your firstborn child. And there I was saying
Speaker 1: that you should be because I I unfortunately, I am
Speaker 1: not prepared to pick up and move by by next
Speaker 1: month for this home. Um, even for the low low
Speaker 1: price of X amount of dollars. Um uh, that we
Speaker 1: should we should make it our our headquarters for a nightcall.
Speaker 1: We're looking for a night yea a night club. Anybody
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Speaker 1: we're gonna stage our pivot to exactly. I really want
Speaker 1: us to read this one last email because we can
Speaker 1: make it just a lightning around and just give our
Speaker 1: quick answers. This night email comes to us from Tyler.
Speaker 1: He says, hello, nightcall. I very much enjoy the show
Speaker 1: and I love hearing about different conspiracies, most I haven't
Speaker 1: heard of before. Shadow People is going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of research for me. But someone had mentioned the
Speaker 1: Lizard People in the last episode, which is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite conspiracies. My question for the podcast is who
Speaker 1: would be the least surprising lizard person to discover and
Speaker 1: who would be the most surprising? Thank you Tyler, and
Speaker 1: thank you Tyler um Man. This is a good one.
Speaker 1: At the first person who popped into my head for
Speaker 1: whatever reason was Catherine hahn umst most most surprising? Most
Speaker 1: Why would she? Um has? Has she been called a
Speaker 1: lizard person. No, that's exactly why it would be surprising.
Speaker 1: It would be so random. Um. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to think of people who I would be genuinely surprised
Speaker 1: to discover, you know, a beloved actress and indie films
Speaker 1: and um and some TV series. I just think it
Speaker 1: would be a weird move for the lizard people. Um,
Speaker 1: she's great, I love her. I would be shocked. Who
Speaker 1: would be the least surprising. I don't know, like a
Speaker 1: Roderl's type or something. I don't Yeah, there's tons of test.
Speaker 1: Do you have an answer to this question, Sarah Huckabee Sanders,
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing her, that would be the least surprising, right,
Speaker 1: Like she's a lizard person, like duh. I'm not dissing
Speaker 1: her appearance or people which would be able to button
Speaker 1: the topic of Smoky Eye though. That's what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean Elon Musk. Like, I guess we all probably
Speaker 1: are working with different uh definitions of a lizard of
Speaker 1: reptilian if you will. Um, But they're like, wouldn't they
Speaker 1: be kind of like Illuminati adjacent but like evil or
Speaker 1: I think the media or like or any kind of
Speaker 1: press adjacent person like Sarah could be least surprising would
Speaker 1: definitely be all all the tech billionaires. You're right, do
Speaker 1: you think Peter til I mean Peter being too obvious
Speaker 1: about it that they're gonna like come out tomorrow and
Speaker 1: be like, well, we're really like hanging kotos all this time.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, of course. Do you think Peter Teal
Speaker 1: is getting the blood transfusions because he's cold blooded and
Speaker 1: in order to regulate his body temperature he needs um
Speaker 1: mammalian transfusions. Definitely, I think we solve the problem good.
Speaker 1: They most surprising I'll just go with Katherine Hallett also
Speaker 1: because now I'm like, she's right, it would be very surprising.
Speaker 1: But he didn't ask who would be the most surprising.
Speaker 1: I mean, the most surprising lizard person would obviously be yourself,
Speaker 1: because you know that you are not tests. If it
Speaker 1: turned out we were a lizard person, now, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the most surprised. It would be because it would
Speaker 1: be a really long con But you know that, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like affectionate, That's what I'm saying. Somebody who loves
Speaker 1: lizards and cares about their well fair a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like Catwoman, like that's true, and you were always
Speaker 1: trying to hide your knowledge of the lizard. This is
Speaker 1: like my superhero or it don't urry people that I
Speaker 1: know everything. Rango yesterday, Yeah, Rangoes, Rangoes such a good movie. Well,
Speaker 1: Rango would be surprising if he was Johnny Depp could
Speaker 1: be a lizard person. Yeah, it's it's too easy to
Speaker 1: just blame all the evil people on lizard people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what if they're just just was a great lizard person
Speaker 1: to share? Okay, yeah, there we go. But even some
Speaker 1: of the people, like when I'm like, who's a celebrity,
Speaker 1: like a big celebrity and influential celebrity that I really love,
Speaker 1: And it's still I'm like, you know, if they turn
Speaker 1: out to be all if their person, wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: even though I love them, like a Beyonce for example.
Speaker 1: That's what it's been like, honestly though, Like it's been
Speaker 1: a little bit like that with finding out how many
Speaker 1: men are terrible. Yeah, that's the idea. Maybe Nick Kroll
Speaker 1: is a lizard person. Publicity was actually pub lizard he
Speaker 1: and they can do a whole spinoff where they like
Speaker 1: turn into Liz and Liz with the like Lizard Chameleon power. Well,
Speaker 1: I've told you I used to have a tweet stalker
Speaker 1: who thought that I was part of a Nick Krawl
Speaker 1: based conspiracy. I was obsessed with that guy. I mean
Speaker 1: I felt sorry for you. It was a lady. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like, I know that you're you know, being
Speaker 1: paid off by Big Croll to promote all these things.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I just like croll Ship.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to me that someone would be like,
Speaker 1: how could someone like Croll? I think of curl Show
Speaker 1: all the time. It was like, the reason it was
Speaker 1: a conspiracy is because they were like, you've said nice
Speaker 1: things about multiple projects of people involved. Because I said,
Speaker 1: like it gave a good review to a Chelsea par
Speaker 1: special and I was like, no, I just like these
Speaker 1: and we really liked. Oh hello, Yeah, they thought it
Speaker 1: was a conspiracy. Well, Crawl Show has been coming up
Speaker 1: a lot recently too, because everything has gotten so cruel,
Speaker 1: show and culture. When Trump was tweeting at Kanye and
Speaker 1: said like very cool, I don't know that's a Bobby catchphrase.
Speaker 1: Also big mouth, which is the new Nick Krol and
Speaker 1: John mulaney um animated show with like all of the
Speaker 1: Krol Show alms is really good. Yeah, but also you're
Speaker 1: just feeding into the conspiracy, totally feeding. It's also I
Speaker 1: mean John Mlaney stand up Special. I think it's on
Speaker 1: Netflix now um or soon, I don't know, So definitely
Speaker 1: go and watch that. And uh, definitely we're not listening people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, thank you for listening to this week's
Speaker 1: episode of the Night Call. If you like us, please rate, review,
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Speaker 1: to uh this week's sponsors, Modcloth and Fabletics. We'll see
Speaker 1: you next week. Bye,