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Speaker 3: It starts now.

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Speaker 2: But I saw this in the cut sheet and I

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Speaker 2: thought we got to play this. Newt Gingrich was talking

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Speaker 2: about how indestructible Trump is. Did you see what the

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Speaker 2: analogy was that he used? Buck He said, Trump is

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Speaker 2: a mythic figure. This is maybe the nerdiest analogy of

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Speaker 2: all time from Newt Gingrich. Listen to cut twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Look, if you're a relatively sophisticated leader around the world,

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Speaker 4: and you watch nine years of the rise of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: and you watch two impeachments, and you watch all of

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Speaker 4: these efforts to catch him in the law, and you

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Speaker 4: watch two assassination attempts, and the guy just keeps coming.

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Speaker 4: As I said the other day, this is a mythic figure,

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Speaker 4: almost like the various Scandinavian BeO wolfs and other kind

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Speaker 4: of sagas. I mean, you can't there's no practical way

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Speaker 4: that you can explain Trump within a normal political structure, right.

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Speaker 1: I need to know something I need to know something.

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Speaker 1: So who's Grendel in this analogy? If he's Beowolf? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is is it Adam Schiff? Is it Liz Cheney? Who

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Speaker 1: is Grendel the monster?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: You went and proved my nerd argument by immediately getting

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Speaker 2: the Beowulf analogy?

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Speaker 3: What percented that? New Gingrich? Obviously very bright guy.

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Speaker 2: But when I heard that he compared Trump to Beowolf,

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Speaker 2: I just I had a flashback to ninth grade English

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Speaker 2: or whatever year it was that we read it, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just picturing.

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Speaker 3: I love it? Can I say I love it?

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Speaker 1: Anytime somebody makes a literary reference that is not Harry.

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Speaker 3: Potter, I get excited. Okay, there are other literary you

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Speaker 3: have made. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: That is an affirmative choice that I make to not

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Speaker 1: be part of the Harry Potter masses. All right, everything

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Speaker 1: is always Harry Potter all the time.

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Speaker 3: Boo, it's like Fuldemort. Oh it's okay, you know.

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Speaker 1: So, yes, I like the Beowolf nerd reference, mister Clay,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you I like mixing it up.

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Speaker 2: You also, when you are anti Harry Potter, are like

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Speaker 2: the guy or gal back in the day that refused

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Speaker 2: to watch Star Wars. You realize that, right, Like this

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Speaker 2: is like the modern day version of you being like,

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Speaker 2: who cares about lightsabers? That's stupid? Oh and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: go fly around in space? How come they don't ever

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Speaker 2: have gravity issues on the airplane?

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Speaker 3: Like this is you. You just are older, so you don't.

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Speaker 1: Realize that's a little shit, that's a little shake. Harry

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Speaker 1: Potter's for like tweens, get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I this is an outrage, Harry. Well, maybe it's a

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Speaker 2: younger generation, but you said is true. But no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I but you you are like the old guy who

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Speaker 2: was coming after Star Wars. I'm saying if we had

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Speaker 2: been doing this show in like nineteen eighty six, you

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Speaker 2: would be like, oh, all you losers watching Star Wars? Oh,

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Speaker 2: return of the Jedi? Who cares about that at all?

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Speaker 1: I mean that probably would have been me in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six. But nonetheless, my Harry Potter, I'm just an

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Speaker 1: I love the expansion of literary references beyond just one.

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Speaker 3: Just throw some C. S. Lewis in there.

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Speaker 1: Just give me some other stuff, please, Somebody, If you

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Speaker 1: spend any of your time online, it's always Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: all the time. It's like the tyranny of Harry Potter.

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Speaker 1: It's like people who only tied with Hamilton on Broadway.

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Speaker 1: There are other Broadway shows.

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Speaker 2: I just am happy that anybody reads a book these days.

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Speaker 2: So if you're actually referencing a book at LEO, I

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Speaker 2: year old. But but I do think that the Beowolf

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Speaker 3: And I think that's.

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Speaker 2: One reason to go to your point about him undertaking

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Speaker 2: You remember when Lincoln died and Stanton, they can fact

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Speaker 2: said at the moment that Lincoln died, now he belongs

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Speaker 2: to the ages. Right after he was assassinated at Ford's Theater. Remember,

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Speaker 2: at the time, Abraham Lincoln was not that popular it's important.

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Speaker 2: If you study history, a lot of times the guys

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Speaker 2: Lincoln became a mythologic figure when he was assassinated at

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Speaker 2: Ford's Theater. This is me projecting history, which is always difficult,

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Speaker 2: but I think there is going to be in the

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Speaker 2: And the point I believe where it comes into play

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Speaker 2: here is I think in winning the popular vote and

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Speaker 2: vanquishing all opposition against him, Trump is becoming harder and

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Speaker 2: harder to rip. Now he's got two years, because every

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Speaker 2: but what he can accomplish in these two years I

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Speaker 1: I think one of the complicating factors for the Trump

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Speaker 3: Of four years. You know what I mean? Yes, like

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Speaker 3: this is that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. You know, in twenty sixteen, the belief

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Speaker 1: was man Trump could be president for eight straight years,

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Speaker 1: and then going into twenty twenty, you know, they were

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Speaker 1: into power. This time around, they're facing him for four years,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's meaningful for how they're trying to

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Speaker 1: align themselves in the opposition and why they look like

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Speaker 1: they're just scurrying all over the place of no idea.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Look really deflated and defeated right now. They will bounce back.

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Speaker 3: I am not.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into triumphalism here, trust me,

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Speaker 1: Kamala hate to say it, got a lot of votes

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Speaker 1: for the worst candidate we've ever seen in our lifetime. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just remember that, Yes, she got smoked by Trump, but

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Speaker 1: she's still got a lot of votes. So let's not

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Speaker 1: they're going to be trying to take away you know,

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Speaker 1: the House and the Senate of the midterms in very

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Speaker 1: argument doesn't really make sense, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: They've never had to do this before, because twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: it's obviously anything to defeat him. But now they want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've never had Trump without having to think about

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Speaker 2: re election, and I think it's important, and you heard

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Speaker 2: him mention this in the birthright citizenship discussion. COVID took

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Speaker 2: a year away from him. I think he would have

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Speaker 2: that whole year. What would have happened if COVID hadn't arrived.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump would have been a lot more active.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to do all this stuff, and

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Speaker 2: and I don't think they're ready to be able to

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Speaker 2: fight back against him. Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about Trump is a literary character. According

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Speaker 1: The Governor Clay was defending Harry Potter to the absolutely

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Speaker 1: I was, he was, I.

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Speaker 2: Was, and I will be honest with you a little

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Speaker 2: read as a twenty one year twenty two year old

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Speaker 2: I love that JK. Rowling has been willing to speak

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Speaker 2: like every other billionaire acts like Mark Cuban basically cuts

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Speaker 3: And that makes me like her books even more. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I still like that.

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Speaker 2: I would encourage you well, I mean, I read all

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Speaker 3: But you are soon going to have a son.

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Speaker 2: My suggestion to you would be at some point when

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Speaker 2: you know what, Clay, You're right.

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Speaker 3: The Harry Potter books are pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I regret my criticism of my criticism of the Harry

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Speaker 1: You overestimate the speed with which I like to say

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Speaker 1: the words, Clay, you were right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's going to be tough, tough. Car has Carrie

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Speaker 3: read Surely carry has read these books. She's actually out

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Speaker 1: The the Sexton family, I feel like this was like

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Speaker 1: the vampires, you know what I'm talking about? The what

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Speaker 2: This is very different. That's Twilight. I did not read those.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Clay read something about the moody vampires.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, vampire and my ware wilf.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to some more Radiohead.

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Speaker 2: But Mike Leach rest in peace, former Mississippi State football coach,

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Speaker 2: went off on the Twilight Books once with me and

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Speaker 2: And I remember that strong take from a football coach.

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to have strong opinions on modern

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Speaker 2: day vampires, but that take of ripping the Twilight books

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Speaker 2: that one. You're wrong on Harry Potter, right on Twilight.

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Speaker 1: I'll take one for two. That's how we do better

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Speaker 1: with our prize picks this week. We need to run

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Speaker 1: the table play.

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Speaker 3: Amen. That's a great transition. Sundays with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: I made a clearly true statement the Buck Sexton old

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Speaker 3: And the reaction was massive.

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Speaker 2: Including many of you who wait in with your own

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Speaker 1: The amount of people dressed as Jedi with lightsabers that

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