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Speaker 1: merch and stand up stuff. And then what else is
Speaker 1: going on? Oh, well, we're late, We're in the time machine.
Speaker 1: But we're also late even in the time machine because
Speaker 1: big news. We did post this on our Instagram the
Speaker 1: day that it broke. But they caught the Gilg Beach Killer.
Speaker 1: If you listened to our episode Daydream Believer where we
Speaker 1: got to talk to the very cool Dallas Roberts, you
Speaker 1: will recall that I covered the Long Island serial killer
Speaker 1: aka the Gilgo Beach Killer.
Speaker 3: They fucking found the sky. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: They found some of his wife's hair in duct tape
Speaker 1: on the body. And this man is like a, ah,
Speaker 1: what is it an architect or something. He's just like
Speaker 1: a man that lives on Long Island with a family
Speaker 1: and a wife who has just been straight up killing
Speaker 1: sex workers and dumping them in Long Island. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1: Just like, I'm glad he was fucking caught. Yeah, Mattaiqua
Speaker 1: Park is where this guy lived.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if they would have caught him sooner
Speaker 2: if it wasn't sex workers, or if they just really
Speaker 2: needed this break in the hair the hair was that
Speaker 2: was there more evidence?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been like poking around. The hair's the only thing
Speaker 1: I've heard of. I've been like looking at a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. But like a lot of the current articles
Speaker 1: about how his wife is so sad and her kids
Speaker 1: are upset because obviously their dad is a serial killer,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's a lot. But I guess
Speaker 1: CNN has an article that says a flood of evidence
Speaker 1: has come in since the suspect arrests. So it's like,
Speaker 1: now that he's been arrested, I bet they're they can.
Speaker 3: They can prove.
Speaker 1: They said they think they can prove three murders, and
Speaker 1: I know they're trying to get a fourth one TechEd
Speaker 1: on there too. I think we covered one of them
Speaker 1: where they're saying he didn't do that, and like that
Speaker 1: woman's family is like, I think he did do it.
Speaker 1: Like I think it might be the woman that was
Speaker 1: found with her kid as well. I think they're saying
Speaker 1: that one maybe not connected, but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this to go to trial and
Speaker 1: this guy to fucking get you know, get what's coming
Speaker 1: to him. But it's just crazy that they found him
Speaker 1: after all these years. I mean, they found the fucking
Speaker 1: Golden State killer after decades, So you cannot get away
Speaker 1: with this stuff.
Speaker 3: Everyone is going to find you with your DNA or
Speaker 3: your hair or whatever.
Speaker 1: Jared and I talked about this on stage and he goes,
Speaker 1: what are the chances of your hair being on me?
Speaker 1: I go, very good. My hair is all over our house.
Speaker 1: It is constantly like girl's hair. At least mine is
Speaker 1: fucking fully in making dust bunnies in my house always.
Speaker 3: So everywhere I go, my hair is dropping.
Speaker 2: My little single use eye drops are there is a trail,
Speaker 2: and there will be bobby pins.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know where Lisa has been because of those
Speaker 1: single use eye drops.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: I always like check them to see if there's anything
Speaker 1: left in them. I'm like, oh, this is still a
Speaker 1: full one.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: And then from Gilgo Beach Killer, we have to go
Speaker 2: to the other big news that time Machine vibes, and
Speaker 2: that is the Barbie movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yep, we both saw it. We did both see it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I am not at the posts I
Speaker 2: were seeing on social media. I do not I'm not there.
Speaker 2: I was not bawling at the end. I did not
Speaker 2: find it.
Speaker 1: Feminist a friend of ours that we both have some
Speaker 1: difficulty with. I just saw her on Sunday and she
Speaker 1: was like the end, I mean the end. I was
Speaker 1: bawling at the end, and I was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: montage of women living their lives, that was maybe.
Speaker 3: She was like yeah.
Speaker 1: And the whole time I was watching it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is getting me. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it was getting you either. Although I did.
Speaker 1: I do admit that I teared up a couple times
Speaker 1: during the movie. It wasn't during that.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: I have been saying I liked a lot of it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't like a lot of it.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of it I thought to like,
Speaker 3: but there was a lot of it but I didn't like.
Speaker 2: And I just think we're all in a marketing haze, yes,
Speaker 2: where we were just anticipating for so long and everyone's
Speaker 2: like it's incredible. So you're there and you're kind of
Speaker 2: tricked in a way of like this was everything. But
Speaker 2: then I ask anyone write us in what was feminist
Speaker 2: about that movie? It was supposed to be about a
Speaker 2: movie about Barbie. It was a movie about Ken and
Speaker 2: the patriarchy. Ken had the songs, Ken's had the jokes.
Speaker 2: Why would Ken go? Why wasn't it a movie about
Speaker 2: Barbie's and women and girls?
Speaker 3: It was about men. That movie was about men.
Speaker 2: So to me, I, why would the president Barbie have
Speaker 2: less lines? And oh jokes then all these and it
Speaker 2: was a very white movie outside of Isaa, who had
Speaker 2: maybe a few lines. It's just like very white, vetero,
Speaker 2: very heteronormative. I don't know what the conservatives are upset about.
Speaker 2: It's very pink, very blue. There's no intermixing to leave
Speaker 2: a matriarchal, amazing society and make it better, or bring
Speaker 2: America Ferrera and all the girls to barbieland instead she
Speaker 2: gives it all up to go to the guynecologist in
Speaker 2: the real world, not to change it, like to live
Speaker 2: in a place where no one respects her or likes her.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 2: What I liked was when they first got to the
Speaker 2: human world. Like that to me was fun because it
Speaker 2: was like, and Karen and I talked about this a lot,
Speaker 2: where it was like, she doesn't show, she tells, and
Speaker 2: the whole point of storytelling is you show, not tell.
Speaker 2: And it's like she had heavy handed monologues and messaging,
Speaker 2: and yet the plot abandoned all of that and it
Speaker 2: didn't show anything. It was just like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just monologues it was weird. And then the part that
Speaker 2: in the theater itself without like being influenced by like
Speaker 2: different friends, I was talking to and communicating with people
Speaker 2: like in the theater. What bothered me was when Barbie
Speaker 2: apologized to Ken, when Ken's like, well, now you know
Speaker 2: how it feels, and it's like, are we saying that
Speaker 2: the Barbies and the Kens did equal damage to Barbie
Speaker 2: land I'm sorry. I think the Barbies didn't disrespect Ken
Speaker 2: like all the conservatives being like and what they did
Speaker 2: to men. I go, what the men got to go
Speaker 2: to the beach, hang out, chill. It's just like women
Speaker 2: didn't circle their lives around romantic love or the Ken's.
Speaker 2: And also what was brought to my attention is we
Speaker 2: don't play with Ken's. Did you play with a Ken when.
Speaker 3: You were a kid?
Speaker 2: Mm, that's why the Kens don't have anything, because we
Speaker 2: don't want to play with Ken.
Speaker 3: But also the try to make Ken happen.
Speaker 1: The lives that Ken's had in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: movie are the lives that men think women should be
Speaker 1: happy to have. You should be happy to sit around
Speaker 1: and look pretty and do beach and like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: And I mean, actually I think they expect more from women.
Speaker 1: But like that that it wasn't that bad what they
Speaker 1: were doing to the Kens.
Speaker 3: The thing was bad.
Speaker 2: It's if the whole thing is how girls play with
Speaker 2: the dolls is what makes the word Barbie land move.
Speaker 3: Young girls are not playing with kens.
Speaker 1: I liked more, like you said them in the real world,
Speaker 1: Barbie and in the real world, or Barbie in a
Speaker 1: couple more Barbies in the real world would have been fun.
Speaker 3: I liked Barbie in the real world. I didn't think
Speaker 3: it needed to be Ken.
Speaker 1: I didn't need to think Ken needed to have the
Speaker 1: big epiphany about what it's like. I mean, like we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before, but like it just all felt
Speaker 1: very ten years ago, Like the discourse was like very
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Again, I do think it was like
Speaker 1: a huge thing for her to make this massive, corporate
Speaker 1: juggernaut movie based on a current, beloved, known property but
Speaker 1: also a controversial property which all lot of people think.
Speaker 1: The movie didn't let Barbie off the hook like at
Speaker 1: all for you know, being an unrealistic female beauty ideal
Speaker 1: that a lot of girls looked to for decades and decades.
Speaker 2: But I just never was affected by Barbie in that way.
Speaker 2: I just liked playing with dolls, like I don't do
Speaker 2: boys think they have to look like Batman, Like I
Speaker 2: don't understand why. Like as kids playing with the Barbies,
Speaker 2: there was never the dolls did not affect my self esteem.
Speaker 2: Like it's the messaging around it. It was like grown
Speaker 2: ups telling us it's bad. But like, I don't think
Speaker 2: a Barbie in itself is bad.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that people might argue that, like you
Speaker 1: don't know that it was affecting you, like subconsciously, it's
Speaker 1: in your mind, like oh, you want to be like
Speaker 1: tall with a thin waist and like wear cool clothes
Speaker 1: and like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also had tons of other dolls, and
Speaker 2: I didn't look at any of my other dolls going well,
Speaker 2: I gotta look like this witch, like.
Speaker 4: You don't know me.
Speaker 2: And like I had stuffed animals. I had popples. I
Speaker 2: had a stuffed bunny that smells like jellybee id like.
Speaker 5: Too, I love my popple.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, I had a glowworm. I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like I never really felt. But I
Speaker 1: also think my window with Barbie's was very short too.
Speaker 1: I was not like obsessed. I think I had a
Speaker 1: few and we moved, and I like don't think I
Speaker 1: had them anymore, Like they were not a huge part
Speaker 1: of my life.
Speaker 3: But I wonder.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a million pieces of feminist critique out
Speaker 1: there about how Barbie, you know, was horrible, But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is this movie it's like you're you're right,
Speaker 1: it was a marketing haze. Like we have been like
Speaker 1: assaulted by Barbie so many corporate tie ins, so many
Speaker 1: we love Barbie, Like that's the thing, Like we get
Speaker 1: to still like Barbie's exists outside of this one movie
Speaker 1: as well. But Julia brought this point up since we've talked,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think about it.
Speaker 3: But this whole thing of like.
Speaker 2: The side with Margot Robbie where they were like and
Speaker 2: it's weird that we booked Margot Robbie to be having
Speaker 2: this speech about not feeling good about her so or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's like the people that care the most are
Speaker 2: people like Margot Robbie. Her whole career and everything is bill.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's very talented. I would say the acting
Speaker 2: this movie is great, but it's like those are the
Speaker 2: people that are worried the most. And I know you
Speaker 2: really liked this moment, But like if someone that looks
Speaker 2: like Margot Robbie turned to you and you were an
Speaker 2: old woman and went you're beautiful, would you not like
Speaker 2: flip her off?
Speaker 3: But I think she did. That's why I like the
Speaker 3: moment she goes, I know it, the woman goes. I
Speaker 3: know she wasn't like, wow, Barbie, this beautiful girl told
Speaker 3: me I'm beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like she wasn't like flabber like, she wasn't thrown at all.
Speaker 1: She was like, yes, of course, I'm fucking beautiful. That's
Speaker 1: what I liked about the woman, like the woman's compet.
Speaker 3: The woman's school. But yeah, I just thought that.
Speaker 2: But back to like the Ken thing, Like when the
Speaker 2: Kens had Barbie Land, they put them in made outfits,
Speaker 2: took their jobs, took their houses, started a war, tried
Speaker 2: to take away the constitution, made them beer winches, and
Speaker 2: the Barbies had to apologize to the Kens because the
Speaker 2: Ken's had to do beach because girls don't play with Kens.
Speaker 3: We don't want to play with Kens.
Speaker 2: Like I know all the Ken enough merchants selling, but
Speaker 2: like no one's gonna start buying Ken's nobody wants a Ken.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't understand why the movie had to
Speaker 2: be Barbie and he's just kn' fuck Ken. Why can't
Speaker 2: Skipper talk? Where the fuck is Skipper?
Speaker 3: Where's that bit?
Speaker 1: The point I agreed on and I agree on the
Speaker 1: most is like it would have been cool if it
Speaker 1: was like just a movie for girl, like just a
Speaker 1: girl movie, like just a movie about a girl, toy
Speaker 1: four girl like four women Like that's.
Speaker 2: But then I liked what you said where it's like,
Speaker 2: we can show these themes like if Barbie's trying to
Speaker 2: talk and men at Mattel keep interrupting her, Like there's
Speaker 2: ways to show these things without heavy handed message.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like abandon in the plot.
Speaker 1: The America Ferrera like long speech like killed me, Like
Speaker 1: that was so lame to me, And I was just like,
Speaker 1: there's ways we can show this instead of telling it,
Speaker 1: like have Barbie in the real world a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: like have her really I don't understand, like here men
Speaker 1: don't listen to me when I talk, or I don't
Speaker 1: understand here like Ken and I both wanted to get
Speaker 1: the same job and I'm getting paidles.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's all these like this is brainstorming.
Speaker 3: I'm obviously not a writer for this movie. No, like
Speaker 3: it would be fine.
Speaker 2: And just now thinking and it's like, if the patriarchy's
Speaker 2: so good, why didn't the Kens go to the real world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they would actually have to get jobs. They don't
Speaker 2: want it, and they were not qualified to do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he couldn't do anything there. So it just the thing
Speaker 2: is we're allowed to have bad I'm gonna see it again.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably watch it on a plane. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: keep watching it. I'm sure it's gonna be in my repertoire,
Speaker 2: Like I watch movies that are worse than Barbie.
Speaker 3: But I just don't think it's that good.
Speaker 2: But where I hope there's a Barbie two and three
Speaker 2: and women get to just direct stuff, and hopefully it's
Speaker 2: not just one woman at a time. I really hope
Speaker 2: it's like Barbie two, just about the barbiees, Like, like,
Speaker 2: just make it about the Barbie because now it's like
Speaker 2: you've already sold it, it's already made agajillion dollars.
Speaker 3: Like let's just it's proof of concept.
Speaker 1: Now make the second one a truly like feminist movie,
Speaker 1: because and the.
Speaker 2: Guy Ina collogists like that to me is the dumb
Speaker 2: Like the guino isn't fun. So what you're saying is
Speaker 2: she goes to the real world and the best, coolest
Speaker 2: first thing she could do as a woman is go
Speaker 2: to a medical professional.
Speaker 1: And like what you said that a woman with a
Speaker 1: vagina that goes to the gynocologist is like the you know,
Speaker 1: that's a woman, which is like that's you know, there's.
Speaker 2: A lot of That's what I mean, Like the right
Speaker 2: being so mad about it, it's like it's truly making
Speaker 2: ken sympathetic. That's saying that a matriarchal society is as
Speaker 2: bad as a patriarchy, which in Barbieland was proven not true.
Speaker 2: But the Barbie Stilet's apologize it's pink and blue, like
Speaker 2: I don't know why the conservatives are so mad, yeah, or.
Speaker 3: Like articles about people walking out after ten minutes with
Speaker 3: their kids because it was like inappropriate. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: do not know why can't Yeah, but our friend doesn't
Speaker 3: want to take her daughter, and I really liked what
Speaker 3: she said. No she doesn't want to no, no, no,
Speaker 3: she said she would take her daughter to the first
Speaker 3: half and not the second half. Yeah, but I know
Speaker 3: you should. That's why I don't tell them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I don't get like why the first
Speaker 1: ten minutes or fifteen minutes offensive to anyone, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think it's people who just like think women should
Speaker 2: be moms and that's that like maybe the baby dolls
Speaker 2: being crushed.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Our friend was basically like, yeah, my daughter is seven,
Speaker 1: she loves Barbie.
Speaker 3: Like I want her to see.
Speaker 1: I would like let her see the first half, but
Speaker 1: not the second half where like the patriarchy takes over
Speaker 1: and a woman does a monologue about all the ways
Speaker 1: that it's terrible to be a woman and that like
Speaker 1: you have to be thin all the time. And even
Speaker 1: though that's like such a retrograde like thing, like we.
Speaker 3: Don't, I don't know. It's like like.
Speaker 1: I said, like I said, Sam joke, you have Lizzo
Speaker 1: doing a fucking song and you have a plus sized
Speaker 1: Barbie and then you're saying, oh, all women want to
Speaker 1: be thin, Like it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, stop telling girls they could do anything
Speaker 2: they put their minds to. It never occurred to them
Speaker 2: that they couldn't, you know, Like that's the silvermant thing
Speaker 2: where it's like that's that's the thing with the Barbie.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think young girls even think that.
Speaker 2: All most kids think their moms are the most beautiful
Speaker 2: people in the world. Yeah, you know, like daughters like
Speaker 2: all like little kids, you know, we're pushing the thing
Speaker 2: on them, Like, I just don't. I don't know how
Speaker 2: real the Barbie like affected kid, but I you know,
Speaker 2: Disney movies affect kids, it all, does I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I take it back. I have to think about that
Speaker 2: point more. But it's just like I never was like
Speaker 2: I need to be this Barbie like I liked Missus
Speaker 2: Potts like that's yuah.
Speaker 3: Turn me into a teapot bitch, like about that's what
Speaker 3: I'm about.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you can we're out there talking about Barbie in
Speaker 1: other places, so if you want longer versions of that,
Speaker 1: but uh, we gotta get our podcast started for today,
Speaker 1: so let's go back.
Speaker 3: Tell us what you think.
Speaker 2: Dm us like, yeah, but it's just like, also, the
Speaker 2: person that cried at the end of the group that
Speaker 2: I was with was someone where I'm like, you're so annoying.
Speaker 2: So then to me, anyone that was like crying I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: But I did cry a couple of times, but it
Speaker 1: was like random parts like and some parts like hit
Speaker 1: me as a mom or whatever, like you know, it was.
Speaker 2: Just so And shout out to Kate McKinnon. Of course
Speaker 2: she was good. She was so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh a lot all the acting I thought was fun.
Speaker 1: I wish they'd given some people bigger parts, you know,
Speaker 1: like Israyah. Wanted to see more from like totally, but
Speaker 1: I thought the acting that we saw was good. And
Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling is very funny in it. He did a
Speaker 1: great job with like what he was given. I think
Speaker 1: we just don't like what he was given. No, it's fine,
Speaker 1: But why can't Barbie be funny?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why can't the Barbies have a song? It's like
Speaker 3: it truly was.
Speaker 2: Centered around men. Men had more lines than most of
Speaker 2: the Barbies. Midge was silent.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the pregnant woman, Oh my god, Like.
Speaker 2: Even Alan, even Alan is this other hero and it's
Speaker 2: like everyone's like Alan and Ken. No one's even talking
Speaker 2: about the Barbiesugh. Yeah, it's just upsetting. But I love Barbie.
Speaker 2: And then it's like the Polly Pocket movie is gonna
Speaker 2: be Dunham and it's like, I love girls so much,
Speaker 2: but the ending actually is similar to me than this movie.
Speaker 2: It's like a disappointment and a betrayal to everything you were,
Speaker 2: like I wanted it to be, but like, can we
Speaker 2: have other people? It's just like it's frustrating. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating. It's just like one white woman at a time,
Speaker 2: it was so white.
Speaker 3: It is the way. And people keep saying and I
Speaker 3: keep seeing people.
Speaker 1: Say like I love the Barbie, would be great message
Speaker 1: or whatever, even before they critique other things, like I
Speaker 1: saw a male comic that we both know, go fun movie,
Speaker 1: great message, but the jokes were hack blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Didn't like the jokes, and I was like, whatever, Like.
Speaker 1: What's the matter? I want people to explain the message. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the message was interesting.
Speaker 2: The messages become a ghost and be trapped in the
Speaker 2: Barbie factory.
Speaker 3: That's the message.
Speaker 2: Sacrifice everything you are as a woman and a person
Speaker 2: to go be a ghost in a factory.
Speaker 3: Go to the guano bitch. That was the end of Barbie.
Speaker 1: Sorry we didn't give a spoiler alert before this. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Barbie, apologies, But let's get started. We've
Speaker 1: got a great pod for you guys today, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Wednesday's Child very on trend, you know with
Speaker 2: Wednesday who ended up being so annoying?
Speaker 3: Do you find or no, wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like the actress who plays Wednesday and Wednesday just became insufferable.
Speaker 2: I know she's a child or whatever, but like she's
Speaker 2: like twenty, I mean like she's insult sufferable, Like she
Speaker 2: is so annoying to listen, Like you didn't feel that?
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't watch Wednesday. No, No, I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about in the show.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about her in general, like her on SNL
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, I didn't really interviews.
Speaker 2: Of Like I just woke up every day and I
Speaker 2: studied my lines and I I didn't believe you.
Speaker 1: But then she also had that thing where she goes,
Speaker 1: I just like redo the writer's lines because I think
Speaker 1: I like know the character better and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're professional writers, though, ma'am. Like, I'm all for ad libbing,
Speaker 1: but like you can't like rewrite the lines of the writers. Wait,
Speaker 1: I just googled this. Do you know what Wednesday's Child
Speaker 1: is a reference to? No, it's some kind of fortune
Speaker 1: telling song or like a nursery rhyme that says, Monday's
Speaker 1: child is fair of face, Tuesday's child is full of grace,
Speaker 1: Wednesday's child is full of woe, Thursday's child has far
Speaker 1: to go, blah blah blah, keeps going. And the child
Speaker 1: born on the Sabbath Day is Bonnie and blythe good
Speaker 1: and gay. Okay, So I think I was born on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Rosie was born on a Tuesday. So Wednesday's
Speaker 1: a problem child. Wednesday's child is full of woe. So
Speaker 1: if your kid is born on a Wednesday, throw them out.
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense in terms of Wednesday Adams being
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, a little nutty. Oh maybe that's where
Speaker 1: her name comes from.
Speaker 3: I think. So we just cracked the code. That's cool.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Wednesday's Child, Season fifteen. It is episode fourteen.
Speaker 2: Hulu would have you believe otherwise, but we are correct.
Speaker 2: So it is a terrifying start. Truly, I gasped. It's
Speaker 2: William Lewis. It's a ghost, it's a vision. He has
Speaker 2: a full scar, a waxy finish on his face, tight
Speaker 2: little haircut and a tie, and it's a shadowy in
Speaker 2: the night. Vibe and he is saying TikTok Olivia, and
Speaker 2: an old timey thing is ticking back and forth. It
Speaker 2: looks like a science clock. I've never I have not.
Speaker 2: It's not like a petronome. Yes that's exactly what it
Speaker 2: is or not. But the movement you made with your
Speaker 2: hand is the movement. I that is what I saw. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And then a tea kettle whistles.
Speaker 3: The digital clock says four forty eight.
Speaker 2: But our baby Olivia is not sleeping and it's a
Speaker 2: nightmare or is it a living where? Like is she awake?
Speaker 2: So anyways, the horrible vision is happening. She has a
Speaker 2: little baby bob hair do also shock she has a
Speaker 2: tea kettle. Honestly, she's such a coffee girl and she
Speaker 2: would never drink instant coffee. So like, I get that
Speaker 2: you can contain multitudes, but I am confused. Maybe she's
Speaker 2: trying to drink tea to go back to sleep. Just
Speaker 2: the whole tea kettle threw me for a loop. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think she should have an electric one. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just.
Speaker 1: But this is twenty fourteen. Was everybody doing the electric yet?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I know the Russian community was oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they just became popular in the
Speaker 1: last like three years.
Speaker 3: But maybe i'm now. But you don't drink tea either.
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't. You're right, you're
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: The Tragers have had electric electric cattle ready, ready, yeah,
Speaker 2: the water gets.
Speaker 1: My family doesn't even Oh well, you know what my
Speaker 1: dad does chemes, you know, and now Jared does chemcks.
Speaker 1: So my whole life. We grew up with a tea kettle.
Speaker 1: But it was just a poorin to the chemics for coffee.
Speaker 3: Did you just say porn? Poor? Okay, poor? I said
Speaker 3: porin to the comic, So it did sound like porn.
Speaker 3: You got me. I got porn on the mind.
Speaker 2: But whatever, she does smile though she's not getting sleep,
Speaker 2: but she smiled, and maybe the thought of him being dead.
Speaker 2: But I've found joy with her. But then we see
Speaker 2: something else. She's at a store, she's at a drug store.
Speaker 2: She buys a pregnancy test. So was that the smile?
Speaker 2: I don't know. So across the world there's a man
Speaker 2: and he's at a gift shop at an airport and
Speaker 2: he's on the phone and he's telling his woman.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll be there soon and he's hot.
Speaker 2: His name is John Benjamin Hickey and he's been on
Speaker 2: Watch What Happens Live twice, So okay, I.
Speaker 3: Like that ninety seven credits.
Speaker 2: He does work and he was in two season one
Speaker 2: episodes is eighty A Mark Hickey and he's at the
Speaker 2: Helsinki Airport. Hello, Finland. I've been there, so I noticed
Speaker 2: that flag and I knew it. I could recognize it anywhere.
Speaker 2: Remember when I was going to become famous in Finland
Speaker 2: that didn't happen, did not happen. There were there were
Speaker 2: some finished people at the in the audience of a
Speaker 2: show this week, and I was like, did you watch
Speaker 2: this show? And they had no idea anything about it
Speaker 2: because it was it was going to be my fascism
Speaker 2: escape plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll welcome you with open arms, celebrity leads a
Speaker 1: trigger a beloved friend of Finland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that that was going to be the future. No,
Speaker 3: but this is the story of my life.
Speaker 2: I make every opportunity like New Year's and then after
Speaker 2: every opportunity, I go, huh, well, it's about the journey.
Speaker 3: Anyways, that's what happens. Who is like this is.
Speaker 2: When the money's going to come in and then I'm
Speaker 2: always like, you know what, what a great life, and.
Speaker 3: This is a great experience. Another one for the books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to be able to escape fascism
Speaker 2: as quickly as I thought. But it was so fun.
Speaker 2: I mean to touch a reindeer, and I mean it
Speaker 2: looked amazing every second of it. Yeah, lifelexcept for Yeah,
Speaker 2: one bad producer, but everything else looks great. And even
Speaker 2: we hugged at the end. But she also said, I
Speaker 2: think you're gonna be famous in Finland and maybe she
Speaker 2: evil eyed me. Yeah, I was just gonna see she
Speaker 2: cursed you, she took me down. So anyways, so this
Speaker 2: daddy in Helsinki, he's like, how's Nikki. The Mom's like,
Speaker 2: he's better, He's better. And the mom is played by
Speaker 2: Jodi Marcal. She went to Northwestern and her big thing
Speaker 2: was eight episodes of Big Love.
Speaker 3: Did you watch that? She was? When I did?
Speaker 1: Okay, I knew I recognized her. She I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly who she was. I feel like she was like
Speaker 1: maybe another woman in the community or something, but I
Speaker 1: think so a show. I don't remember this woman in
Speaker 1: like the braids with like the thing. Maybe she was
Speaker 1: in the real life part of it family right, No, no,
Speaker 1: no not, but like, yeah, she could have been like
Speaker 1: sometimes they interacted with a lot of real people that
Speaker 1: were like what are you guys?
Speaker 2: You know? I okay, Bill's secretary and the company's junior bookkeeper.
Speaker 3: Yes okay, so not in the church.
Speaker 2: I remember her, Yes a secretary vibes Yeah, there we go. Perfect, okay,
Speaker 2: So daddy, you know, Daddy's like, I love you both,
Speaker 2: see you soon, and then it's like yeah, yeah right,
Speaker 2: it says to be you good luck. So then Benson
Speaker 2: comes to work. She sits at her little desk and
Speaker 2: we have amrro rollins Fin. The gang's all here, and
Speaker 2: Amaro's like you okay, and she's like, yeah, bitch, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: But then she tucks her hair behind her ear and sighs,
Speaker 2: so it's like what is like, what is up?
Speaker 3: So she's now.
Speaker 2: Out in the cold being like, oh hi, Brian, I've
Speaker 2: been trying to call you.
Speaker 3: Is now a good time?
Speaker 2: And that's of course Cassidy aka sexy and toxic. Then
Speaker 2: it quickly cuts to Olivia in therapy with her dude and.
Speaker 3: She's a noodle. Bill Irwin he's been out on the
Speaker 3: picket lines here in La. Wait, but everybody Noodle's been out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, this guy, Bill Irwin is like a big whenever
Speaker 1: we talk about him, I think we forget to mention
Speaker 1: that he's mister Noodle. And people write us and we
Speaker 1: want you to know that we know he's mister Noodle.
Speaker 1: But mister Noodle, what can you give me? Even the
Speaker 1: reference Sesame Street? Sesame Street? Sorry, okay, is that right?
Speaker 1: Let me just oh my god, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It is, Oh my god, Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 1: The episode wait, this isn't the episode where she has
Speaker 1: a dream that she's kissing him, right, No, it's not.
Speaker 2: But we have to take this mister Noodle photo on
Speaker 2: Instagram him in Elmo cannot Oh my god, he's so
Speaker 2: silly and cute.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So it quickly cuts to live in therapy and it's
Speaker 2: her dude, and she's annoyed because you know, she has
Speaker 2: to take care of a lot of people in her
Speaker 2: new position at the squad. Being a boss is hard,
Speaker 2: and the therapist is like, honey, I know they're gonna
Speaker 2: mom the shit out of you. That sucks, but like,
Speaker 2: something's on your mind, So tell me what's really happening,
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, I thought it was pregnant, but
Speaker 2: I'm not, and I know I should feel relieved, and
Speaker 2: Brian does in therapy. Man, mister Noodle is like, nah,
Speaker 2: you feel how you like? Who cares how you should feel?
Speaker 2: How do you feel? So she tears up and admits
Speaker 2: that she imagined this whole other life. And before we
Speaker 2: can even finish, we go back to Finland. Business Daddy,
Speaker 2: he is getting home and this is so American, Like
Speaker 2: to go wake your kid up in the.
Speaker 3: Middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is the most American thing. Let your
Speaker 2: kids sleep, It's so wild. But then god, he checks
Speaker 2: because his son is not there. Nikki is missing. He
Speaker 2: turns on the light in a panic. The camera spins
Speaker 2: around him. It's a stressed out dad. Lisa's sleeping and
Speaker 2: will not wake up. But also she is clearly fake sleeping.
Speaker 2: This angle is not comfortable. She like, she's fully at
Speaker 2: a like one hundred and twenty degree angle on her side,
Speaker 2: like it no, but that would be laying down this
Speaker 2: way up this way more acute, like not ninety like
Speaker 2: forty five.
Speaker 3: She's like up on a lot of pillows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I actually pride myself
Speaker 2: on being good at geometry, so I'm really upset that
Speaker 2: I fucked up these angles. It's okay, I am devastated.
Speaker 2: So anyways, but she is fake sleeping. It cannot be comfortable,
Speaker 2: so she fake wakes up. It's like a bad play.
Speaker 2: And all the lights are on as well, like it's
Speaker 2: full lamps, and it doesn't seem like she smoked an
Speaker 2: indaka jeter, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's not like she passed out from all that Keith,
Speaker 2: So I'm confused. So she's like, oh, Nicky's asleep, and
Speaker 2: it's like no, no, no, he's gone. And she tries
Speaker 2: her community theater best. But also I want to say,
Speaker 2: the actress is killing it. It's like the bitch mom
Speaker 2: is fake sleeping, but the actress is playing a fake sleeper.
Speaker 3: So well, so I know this is very meta, but we're.
Speaker 2: At the credits and now we're back and it is
Speaker 2: it's I know, this is like obviously well known in
Speaker 2: our community and worldwide, but the song is just so good.
Speaker 2: The intro song is just so good.
Speaker 1: No, and like every day you guys are new videos
Speaker 1: on TikTok of people just absolutely nailing choreo to this song,
Speaker 1: and it's don't worry, we will make our own soon.
Speaker 3: We just have to hire a choreographer first.
Speaker 1: I want to be somewhere where it starts playing like
Speaker 1: on like a like a techno version of it starts
Speaker 1: playing on a dance floor.
Speaker 3: I would love that.
Speaker 2: No, yesterday I started having fantasies of like walking into
Speaker 2: the SVU theme at my wedding. But would that be
Speaker 2: ghost you know it is crimes, yeah, like but like
Speaker 2: a nice violin, like do.
Speaker 3: Do do do do do do do do.
Speaker 1: I was down the aisle, I mean I go, I
Speaker 1: would I would shed a tear?
Speaker 3: Oh not ile into the party as your entrance. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: boom boom, you just come out. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Because I was just at a wedding and they came
Speaker 2: out to the Succession theme song.
Speaker 3: They did, Oh that's fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I was dming someone that I met in
Speaker 2: Boston and were telling me about their wedding, and they
Speaker 2: also came out to the Succession theme. So I think
Speaker 2: that's in the zeitgeist. So but the song, it's like,
Speaker 2: I never skip. We watched so much SVU. I don't
Speaker 2: think people realize at times, like, you know, it's the
Speaker 2: episodes we work on, but we're also watching episodes to
Speaker 2: find guests at all times, and like, yeah, it really
Speaker 2: is constant. And I've never skipped intro. I don't think
Speaker 2: anyone has. It's just like I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't skip. I skipped the song.
Speaker 1: I don't skip the song, but I do skip sometimes
Speaker 1: in the criminal justice system if I'm in a rush.
Speaker 1: If I'm in a rush, I skip in the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system. I just have only honest. I just had
Speaker 1: to be honest. I don't get to skip the song,
Speaker 1: though I do love the song.
Speaker 3: It is just so good.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're back anyways, Winter Whear is going on.
Speaker 2: Benson and Tomorrow are in Black Beanies, and Olivia has
Speaker 2: a fur lined hood that is insane.
Speaker 3: It is so fluffy.
Speaker 2: Did she go to the Burlington coat factory? That is
Speaker 2: what immigrants were in the nineties, that is not.
Speaker 3: LinkedIn Cote back. I told you that my mom used
Speaker 3: to wear.
Speaker 1: My mom used to I would see my mom showing
Speaker 1: up at Hebrew School for like one of my things,
Speaker 1: with like her little fluffy hood bouncing behind her big
Speaker 1: fluffy hoods.
Speaker 3: Big fluffy hood is so nineties.
Speaker 2: It's so I don't I haven't seen a big flo well,
Speaker 2: I live in La Amorro. Also is like live chill,
Speaker 2: you didn't have to come, and she's like no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The father works the un This is high profile, so
Speaker 2: Nicki Moore, he's seven. No ransom demand or evidence of
Speaker 2: fourth century. The mom is Lisa, she's a stay at
Speaker 2: home mom. And the dad just came home from receiving
Speaker 2: a humanitarian award for third world neonatal care. So and
Speaker 2: you know, then he comes home to his own kid
Speaker 2: missing after getting awards for helping other kids.
Speaker 3: So now we have an old lady and it's not
Speaker 3: a bucket hat.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe the shape of this hat,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go into detail. So it's a bucket hat,
Speaker 2: but the top of the hat is not tight on
Speaker 2: your head. It is puffy and the flaps go straight across.
Speaker 2: It's a fuzzy short top hat. And she's a neighbor
Speaker 2: and she's telling a white, floppy woolhat rollins like, oh boy,
Speaker 2: that little kid, he's hell on wheels. He runs into
Speaker 2: the street. He is wacky. And then we get exposition
Speaker 2: from the mom. He's from Georgia, from the former Soviet
Speaker 2: Union Vibes. He was adopted two years ago by the
Speaker 2: family Tom found Nikki had an orphanage, and she goes
Speaker 2: a godsend and Benson asks if there are other problems
Speaker 2: in the home or has he run away before? And
Speaker 2: something catches Benson's eye and she's like, wait, did you
Speaker 2: that window is open? She goes, oh, yeah, I opened it.
Speaker 2: The heat was so hot. And she's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: did someone come in and take him? And Benson's like, stranger.
Speaker 2: Abductions are very rare, but it is a ground floor,
Speaker 2: so maybe he walked out and the mom is like,
Speaker 2: why would he do that?
Speaker 3: Benson runs off. She can't talk to this mom.
Speaker 2: She's deranged, and so she's getting the info blue pajamas trains,
Speaker 2: but the winter coat is hanging, so that's not good.
Speaker 2: So this kid is just like in pajamas in the
Speaker 2: winter in New York, out and about and so we
Speaker 2: have some dad time with Amorrow and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: my kid is wild, has no friends. He's a bit
Speaker 2: different the first five years of his life for an orphanage,
Speaker 2: so he's gonna have some issues.
Speaker 3: He doesn't bond with, you know, other kids, and.
Speaker 2: It's tough and he even has a tough time with
Speaker 2: these adoptive parents. And but he's super friendly, actually in
Speaker 2: a bad way. He doesn't understand social order, so he
Speaker 2: doesn't understand family than friends, than strangers, so he's nice
Speaker 2: to strangers and he gravitates towards strangers. He has a
Speaker 2: lot of socialization and developmental issues.
Speaker 3: And that's just the truth.
Speaker 2: And it is really convenient that this guy does you
Speaker 2: and child behaviors, you know, like it's cool that he
Speaker 2: knows everything. So the mom starts to panic and to Benson,
Speaker 2: she's like, fuck, like he had a bad day, but
Speaker 2: I can't believe this, and be and soon asked, well,
Speaker 2: what was the what's the day? So they were in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: driving back from their house and she homeschools him, and
Speaker 2: Omaro runs in and interrupts because there's an added issue,
Speaker 2: and the dad is mad at the mom and he's like,
Speaker 2: you didn't tell him about the pump. He's shocked. She's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't think about it. And they
Speaker 2: are all worried now and he only has enough insulin
Speaker 2: for three days for his diabetes. No prints anywhere, no
Speaker 2: street cams, no sign of kids anywhere. Can we track
Speaker 2: his insulin pump? Well, we will get a pain when
Speaker 2: it's low on the phone, but it doesn't have GPS.
Speaker 3: So now we have future pedophile.
Speaker 2: Hank Abraham on the scene and Benson's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know who the fuck you are, but I'm not interested.
Speaker 3: He flashes a badge.
Speaker 2: He's acting Deputy Commissioner for Public Information. He has an
Speaker 2: annoying smirk and the squad hates him. But He's like,
Speaker 2: we got to let people know. We got to get
Speaker 2: the word out on the missing kid. Press briefing in
Speaker 2: ten Benson's like, wait what? So she has a chat
Speaker 2: in front of the cameras in ten minutes. But we
Speaker 2: have a door guy from across the street who told
Speaker 2: Rollins that Nikki had talked to a street guy called Keys.
Speaker 2: He does the alternate side parking for the block. Now
Speaker 2: this is a storyline on Seinfeld as well.
Speaker 3: Are these these.
Speaker 2: Guys must say exists? I've just never encountered a Keys
Speaker 2: type guy. I think so because I think my aunt
Speaker 2: had one. Because she my aunt that lived in my
Speaker 2: apartment before me on the Upper West I think she
Speaker 2: had a guy that would move her car for her.
Speaker 2: But I never had a car in the city for
Speaker 2: more than like a few days, so I never really
Speaker 2: I just had to wake up early and fucking move that.
Speaker 3: I hate all that in the city. It's so annoying.
Speaker 2: Part okay, I just don't get where you put it,
Speaker 2: because if you're one person, you run around. But if
Speaker 2: it's like okay, Keys is doing the whole block, so
Speaker 2: he moves every car, like I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 1: Well, on my block, everybody just moves over and blocks
Speaker 1: the cars on the other side, so like double parks, yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1: So if you're Keys, you just move every car on
Speaker 1: this road right across, and then those people.
Speaker 3: Just can't fucking get out. But if they do, you're.
Speaker 1: Around, so you can move the car and then you
Speaker 1: just chill there on the block until the time is
Speaker 1: over and then move them all back.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: And how much do we gotta find out how much
Speaker 2: your aunt was paying? Like I know, carrieus, I hope.
Speaker 1: And then my other aunt is the rich one obviously
Speaker 1: had a garage.
Speaker 2: So Abraham is not loving the spin of this, you know, situation.
Speaker 2: But it's like, honey, none of us like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about? You think we like that there's a
Speaker 2: missing kid with diabetes. Anyways, it's fucking freezing, and who
Speaker 2: is keys Andre Deshields? Are you fucking kidding me? Tony
Speaker 2: Award winner for Hades Town. I did see it. I
Speaker 2: was in the third row and he deserved it. So
Speaker 2: I live a good life. And if you want to
Speaker 2: feel something good and inspired, you can watch his Tony
Speaker 2: acceptance speech. I think it's it's a really popular one.
Speaker 2: We will post it. And holy shit, I'm just giving
Speaker 2: Kara more errands. I'm like Elmo Andre. And he also
Speaker 2: plays keys again in season twenty two in the episode
Speaker 2: Postgraduate Psychopath.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And he's in an episode of Sex and the City
Speaker 2: that we will all remember. It's when Charlotte tap dances.
Speaker 2: He's the tap dancing teacher. He was on the Whizz
Speaker 2: in Broadway. He's got an Emmy, Grammy and Tony. So
Speaker 2: we got to get him in an Oscar flick quick.
Speaker 2: We need an egot here. Yeah, he's a choreographer director.
Speaker 3: He's done somebody for somebody. He's somebody for Quentin Tarrantino.
Speaker 2: Get him into something, yes, And he's just a theater legend,
Speaker 2: and but he is a black man. So once there
Speaker 2: are cops, he puts his hands up right away and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh no, no, no, chill, we don't care
Speaker 2: about the car. But he's ready. He's he's no spring chicken.
Speaker 2: He knows what's happening in the streets of New York.
Speaker 2: So they're like, all right, give us the scoop. So
Speaker 2: he knows the kid. He's a good kid, and he's missing,
Speaker 2: and he's like, fuck, I saw him last week for
Speaker 2: the last time Tuesday afternoon, and they're like, ho, do
Speaker 2: you know it's Tuesday, and he's like, that's my job,
Speaker 2: Like I got that spot Tuesday until for Friday. And
Speaker 2: she came back Sunday, took a Monday spot, but it's
Speaker 2: a holiday so she could keep it there. And I'm
Speaker 2: loving this little moment. And he's so focused on the cars.
Speaker 2: And you know, she came back Sunday alone. That's what
Speaker 2: the cops I'm worrying about. He's like, I got a
Speaker 2: great spot, and they're like, okay, the kid.
Speaker 3: The kid.
Speaker 2: So she pulled in Nicki was not there, and he
Speaker 2: doesn't know where Nicky was. She took in the groceries,
Speaker 2: but she didn't check the backseat or the trunk or anything.
Speaker 2: And then he has a little catchphrase and he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: if I'm lying, I'm dying.
Speaker 3: I like that. Well.
Speaker 2: So, Candy Burrahs was just on Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: with Aaron the night one of you did watch, Okay,
Speaker 2: watch I just saw this clip where she goes where
Speaker 2: she said, what you're gonna say?
Speaker 3: Oh, the good advice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Candy is the longest running housewife, which I didn't realize,
Speaker 2: and she gave Aaron good advice and she said, just
Speaker 2: tell the truth. Don't lie, because then they're gonna show
Speaker 2: a clip of you lying and it's just not worth it.
Speaker 2: Tell the truth and say what you mean and just
Speaker 2: mean it like double down like you said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they're gonna they have everything you said taped.
Speaker 1: Don't make them roll the tape. Yeah, So I bet,
Speaker 1: and I bet am Marie. She was so excited that
Speaker 1: Andrea Shields was on side. Oh yeah, because she's like
Speaker 1: a Broadway stand.
Speaker 3: There is no way.
Speaker 2: She wasn't like, oh hi, there's no way. She fangirls.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: So they searched the car and Amanda's like, whatever, fuck
Speaker 2: the car, let's check the easy pass, Like, let's do that.
Speaker 2: We're on an island. And so the dad is stressed
Speaker 2: at the squadroom. It's been twelve hours. They let him
Speaker 2: know that they don't trust the wife, and he does
Speaker 2: not love that. But she's in the room with Amaro
Speaker 2: and Benson and the woods blind's room, not the cement
Speaker 2: bar's room, and they're pushing her on the time.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. I always try to say, like, it's
Speaker 3: not interrogation.
Speaker 1: It's like an interview room rather than interrogation, because it's
Speaker 1: not cement. It's not cement. Yeah, it's like blinds and wood.
Speaker 1: You're right, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: When I wrote it this succinctly, I went, finally, finally,
Speaker 2: I don't know, not.
Speaker 3: Cement and bars. I love it. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 3: always like the wood. What what the thing is? It's
Speaker 3: the nicer room.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean where they sit in a swivel
Speaker 1: chair and they get to have like a piece of
Speaker 1: paper and a pen or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's not like the dead bars and cement. Yes, got it.
Speaker 2: No, But I couldn't have been more proud that, finally
Speaker 2: we have such a succinct weight to discuss it, and
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you've been struggling for dozens of episodes too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we're in the woodblinds not cement bars. Remember that
Speaker 2: is that merch? Is that like best friends bracelets? Like
Speaker 2: I'm the wood blinds room, I'm the cement bars room.
Speaker 3: You know, it sucks between us.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have to be the cement barroom,
Speaker 2: and I'm pissed about it already.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would say I am maybe a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a rigid personality than you, and so maybe I'm
Speaker 1: the cement room.
Speaker 3: Oh that's how you know.
Speaker 1: I'm very into like logistics and organization, and that's getting
Speaker 1: the cement room, and let's get it done.
Speaker 3: I'm not, as you know, welcome to my home, as
Speaker 3: you never let anyone into my home. No, but in
Speaker 3: your spirit, you're welcome to my home.
Speaker 2: If I just had one more room, people would be
Speaker 2: at my house all the time. I loved to host,
Speaker 2: but yes, it's just not possible. I have so many
Speaker 2: boxes of liquid death in my studio apartment I can
Speaker 2: barely open the door. Thank you Joanna Angel for sending
Speaker 2: me these liquid deaths. But I am drinking them.
Speaker 3: Look, I want to try one of these Arnold Palmer
Speaker 3: liquid deaths.
Speaker 1: I have tried when I come over to do laundry
Speaker 1: this week. Yes, bring them over. That's my payment. I
Speaker 1: want three Arnold Palmers for you to use my laundry machine.
Speaker 3: So they're going to.
Speaker 2: Push her on timelines, details, get infos. She mentions the groceries,
Speaker 2: but also Nikki was asleep and he's seven, so how'd
Speaker 2: you get him in the house? And she's like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, bitch, they know you're lying.
Speaker 3: You're done.
Speaker 2: She doesn't like the line of questioning, and they're like,
Speaker 2: how many groceries?
Speaker 3: She's like, why does it matter?
Speaker 2: They're like, well, how would you carry a seven year
Speaker 2: old with in winter with a bunch of bags? She goes,
Speaker 2: why are you asking me this? They're like, well, is
Speaker 2: it possible. Nicki wasn't with you when you drove back
Speaker 2: from Connecticut? She said, are you insane? Of course he was,
Speaker 2: and they're like are you sure? And then they show
Speaker 2: her a photo on the bridge. Nicki's not in the car,
Speaker 2: so she starts to cry. Benson's like, Lisa, when was
Speaker 2: the last time you saw him? She starts sobbing very loudly,
Speaker 2: like drooel teeth all of it. The full secret has
Speaker 2: been released. She through tears gets it out. She had
Speaker 2: to do it. I had to. I had to. You
Speaker 2: would have done the same thing I had to. She
Speaker 2: looks down and drops her head, and Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: got you, bitch. She's also like God, like where is he?
Speaker 3: You know? Tell me where he is?
Speaker 2: So now we have Amoro, Rollins and Benson in the
Speaker 2: spy window and they're so frustrated. She won't give any details.
Speaker 2: She just keeps saying I had to do it, and
Speaker 2: the husband has no idea. Amorrow asks and Finn pops
Speaker 2: out of a corner like nah. The husband not a chance.
Speaker 2: So their plan is to put Daddy in the box
Speaker 2: and see if she'll spill to him. So let's go.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't even get it or can comprehend it.
Speaker 2: He's like, what does this mean? She's like, I had
Speaker 2: no choice. He can't understand, so she couldn't take it.
Speaker 3: She was losing her mind. He's like, where is Nicky?
Speaker 2: And then she's a gaslight talks at Queen instead of
Speaker 2: like answering where NICKI is?
Speaker 3: She goes, well, where were you? Where were you? And
Speaker 3: it's like, where's Helsinki.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, we know he was getting a
Speaker 2: humanitarian award, so you don't look good. But then she
Speaker 2: has a great point. She was alone with him for
Speaker 2: six weeks.
Speaker 1: What dude, you can't go to hill Sinky for six
Speaker 1: weeks when you have like a special needs child, Come.
Speaker 3: On six weeks or bring them with like six weeks.
Speaker 3: He's a lot.
Speaker 2: But then he comes back and goes, I said we
Speaker 2: could hire someone, and she screams unarmed guard and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: why not he said let's hire help.
Speaker 3: Like you can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did leave, but it seems like he's wealthy.
Speaker 2: You have two homes. So to show how wild he is,
Speaker 2: she says that he opened the door when they were
Speaker 2: going seventy on the freeway. I would not be happy
Speaker 2: about that. Amaro cuts in. He's all business like out
Speaker 2: of nowhere. He's like a vampire bat hanging and just
Speaker 2: like appeared sexy as hell. But he has a sad
Speaker 2: question and he goes, is nicky alive? And the dad
Speaker 2: puts his hand on his face and it hits him
Speaker 2: that that's a possibility. And he's like, oh my, and
Speaker 2: she looks dumbfounded and says, I could never harm a child.
Speaker 2: So Benson goes, okay, great, then tell us where he is.
Speaker 2: So she gave him to someone who said that they
Speaker 2: could handle him, and he screams, you gave my son away.
Speaker 2: She looks down, kind of embarrassed. Okay to who the
Speaker 2: orphanage wouldn't take him back, and she's bitter about that
Speaker 2: because they didn't tell them that he had all these problems.
Speaker 2: City foster care would be a nightmare. Okay, So where
Speaker 2: is he? And she's like a family that knows how
Speaker 2: to raise boys like that, and the dad is clearly
Speaker 2: very mad. She said they were a strict religious family,
Speaker 2: but would let them know that their names, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you gave your kid to a person who's name you
Speaker 2: didn't know.
Speaker 3: That's bad.
Speaker 2: So she's like, well, the family is that a clean
Speaker 2: break was what was best and the dad is like,
Speaker 2: why would you lie? And Benson waves her arm like
Speaker 2: enough and then swings a chair to the table to
Speaker 2: get eye to eye with this woman and then like
Speaker 2: like it's Benson in business, Like she's in business mode.
Speaker 2: It's intense. It's like the urgency has stepped up. She
Speaker 2: looks right at this bitch and goes, who is she?
Speaker 2: Who is She start talking and she goes to the woman.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a service. She found it online, and
Speaker 2: the woman said she should she would come right away.
Speaker 2: And I wonder when it will hit her that she like,
Speaker 2: fucked up. I can't believe a real person would do this.
Speaker 2: But also it's SBUs so I get it, and this
Speaker 2: is an Emmy worthy performance. So she goes, no, it's legit.
Speaker 2: I gave her power of attorney. Everyone's face drops. She's like,
Speaker 2: she seemed really nice. And the dad is still hand
Speaker 2: over mouth. He cannot believe what this woman that he's
Speaker 2: like shared his life.
Speaker 3: With me has not fucking wild d breaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not. It seems like he stays with her,
Speaker 2: like I don't get it, but I guess he really
Speaker 2: understands the brain.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 2: So now we see Hank Abraham in the office and
Speaker 2: he's summarizing what just happened with Benson and the family
Speaker 2: service lawyer Pippa Cox.
Speaker 3: We love Pippa Cox.
Speaker 2: They are married, and it is funny, like there's not
Speaker 2: one vibe of marriage here.
Speaker 1: This is the only episode they ever appear in together.
Speaker 1: This is the only scene there ever appear in together,
Speaker 1: besides when he gets.
Speaker 2: You know, the pedophiled. Yeah, I am shocked that there's
Speaker 2: not even like a little look like it is so funny.
Speaker 2: So and I love seeing like old office phones. It
Speaker 2: reminds you of my past, so I like it. So
Speaker 2: now they have to figure out like the baby broker
Speaker 2: and get to the bottom of it. And Hank is like,
Speaker 2: you go arrest the mother, and Pipa hops since she goes, yes,
Speaker 2: I can charge her with filing a false report.
Speaker 3: But that's it. I can't do anything else. What what wild?
Speaker 2: What do you mean you can't do anything else? She
Speaker 2: dropped the kid off like a kitten on the highway.
Speaker 2: Great analogy, Benson, great analogy and Pepa and that would
Speaker 2: piss me off.
Speaker 3: And Pipa gets it.
Speaker 2: But there are ways around, like the law unfortunately, and
Speaker 2: Connecticut allows for non legal transfers of children.
Speaker 3: Cool loophole Connecticut. What it's also like, they're not they're not.
Speaker 1: I guess they have a house in Connecticut, so maybe
Speaker 1: their residents of Connecticut. But it's like I can just
Speaker 1: go home and give one of my kids away when
Speaker 1: I'm visiting my parents, just like throw them to someone else,
Speaker 1: good to know.
Speaker 3: It's just kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up, these internet middlemen. Hank calls it regifting.
Speaker 2: Pipa has to give a shout out and say re
Speaker 2: homing and then no, but nobody is tracking them at all,
Speaker 2: Like these kids are just being traded around in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: and Hank is like, well, we told the whole city
Speaker 2: the kid is missing, so we need to tell them
Speaker 2: like the it was found. And it's like that was
Speaker 2: your idea, Like this is so classic, like you demanded
Speaker 2: a press conference and now you're using the press conference
Speaker 2: against everybody, Like yeah, shut up. But also Connecticut, they
Speaker 2: have no jurisdiction. But Benson doesn't give up and she
Speaker 2: has a light bulb moment. Don't both parents have to
Speaker 2: sign off? And Pippa says yes, so this is great news.
Speaker 2: They're both legal custodians and the father reported him missing,
Speaker 2: so then like Benson can work on the case. So
Speaker 2: they do an amber alert immediately, and we cut to.
Speaker 3: Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac it's a college. It's also a college in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: That's all I know about it.
Speaker 2: And it's a childcare center in East Haven, Connecticut. And
Speaker 2: it's January twenty first, And I'm mentioning the date because
Speaker 2: I want everyone to understand how cold it is. Oh yeah, January,
Speaker 2: maybe it's fucking cold.
Speaker 1: This can have anybody like talked about like when she
Speaker 1: dropped the kid off, did he have his pump? Did
Speaker 1: he have his insulin or was she just like figure
Speaker 1: out the diabetes part or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they mentioned it later, she did drop him off
Speaker 2: with pumps, but it is fucked and they haven't mentioned
Speaker 2: it yet. So they go to this child gifting area
Speaker 2: and it's Patty Mayonnaise. It's Patty Mayonnaise. Her name is
Speaker 2: Constance Schulman and she's here to play and you might
Speaker 2: also know her as Yoga Jones and Orange is the
Speaker 2: New Black, and she's like, yeah, I found a new
Speaker 2: family for him on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Okay, Wednesday's child.
Speaker 2: Another meaning, after Lisa dropped him off, Am I doing
Speaker 2: a good.
Speaker 3: You did really sound like her at the beginning?
Speaker 1: One second, you did. We lived in my neighborhood on
Speaker 1: the Upper West Side. I used to see her and
Speaker 1: her kid all the time.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I just used to see her and be
Speaker 3: like it's Yoga Jones.
Speaker 2: That's really cool, and so like basically Lisa dropped him
Speaker 2: off Tuesday and Wednesday she found a new family quick
Speaker 2: and Finn is like, okay, well the dad didn't sign off,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh yeah, the dad wasn't involved. And
Speaker 2: then rollind' says like, okay, well give us the info
Speaker 2: you have on the family, and she has like a
Speaker 2: really goofy magic this like school bus vibe desk, like
Speaker 2: it's messy and all of this. And then I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: but did miss Frizzel even have papers? And did she
Speaker 2: even give those kids tests?
Speaker 1: Like it was a hands on Miss Frizzel was hands
Speaker 1: on in that Magic school Bus.
Speaker 3: I loved Magic School Bus. I really did.
Speaker 2: But it's also like, lady, do you still not see
Speaker 2: an issue with what you're doing? Like her energy is
Speaker 2: very like optimistic and childlike, and it's like, is this
Speaker 2: an act or do you really think what you're doing
Speaker 2: is an okay enterprise? But and this is where she says,
Speaker 2: Lisa brought extra insulin. Oh that's good, and the new
Speaker 2: parents understood the pump. She goes, you know, because the
Speaker 2: dad has some issues and Fins like what issues, And
Speaker 2: then she says, he's in a wheelchair, and I don't
Speaker 2: understand how a pump and a wheelchair have anything to
Speaker 2: do too with each other, Like just because someone's in
Speaker 2: a wheelchair doesn't mean they know how to work an
Speaker 2: insulin pump.
Speaker 3: But to Yoga Jones, it's the same, like.
Speaker 2: It's equal, And she goes, well, that's why they couldn't
Speaker 2: adopt their normal channels because he's in a wheelchair. And
Speaker 2: that makes me be like, oh, well that okay, I
Speaker 2: guess that makes sense. But there's still like get information.
Speaker 2: They truly there's no info. There's Alexa and Roger Smith
Speaker 2: as the names we get Rollins reads the address out loud,
Speaker 2: and Finn knows the address of Yankee Stadium wildly, and
Speaker 2: it's the Yankee Stadium address, so the music swell. She goes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I feel sick about this. So she
Speaker 2: is just dumb, like she's just dumb and thinks she's
Speaker 2: doing a good job. She's so upset and shocked, and
Speaker 2: I do believe it, but then she just goes she
Speaker 2: seem like good.
Speaker 3: They seem like good.
Speaker 2: People, but they have no ideas nothing. How do you
Speaker 2: not take an idea of someone that's taking a kid crazy.
Speaker 2: I just I can't even understand this. Are you going
Speaker 2: to answer any of my questions in the real crimes,
Speaker 2: like what is fucking going on?
Speaker 3: I mean, there is something similar, but I don't have
Speaker 3: any answers to these questions. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I just want to know, like, does this bitch Yoga
Speaker 2: Jones thinks she's doing a good job or is she
Speaker 2: a criminal? Or does she not care? Like what is happening?
Speaker 2: Gonna you're not gonna photocopy an ID?
Speaker 1: At least say these ideas are fake, Like, at least
Speaker 1: say I took an ID and then they turn out
Speaker 1: to be fake, like it's this it is really crazy God, And.
Speaker 2: Then she goes, I could draw a sketch for you.
Speaker 2: So then finally they're like, okay, like we hate you,
Speaker 2: but what kind of car? And she does have details
Speaker 2: It was a church lady van blue for a handicapped driver,
Speaker 2: and the license plate frame was a dealer in Mount
Speaker 2: Vernon because she remembers thinking about George Washington, so that
Speaker 2: is helpful.
Speaker 3: And there are sketches.
Speaker 2: So now we're in the squad room and we have picks,
Speaker 2: we have all the information they're known as Roger and
Speaker 2: Alexa Pearson. They're both on the registry. He's a producer
Speaker 2: and she's a former porn star. But obviously there's more
Speaker 2: to their registry. Shit, it's good stuff. So they were
Speaker 2: busted in the past. He did eight years, she got probation,
Speaker 2: and now they've adopted Nikki, and it's like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck are they doing?
Speaker 3: Rogers four other aliases?
Speaker 2: She has three other aliases, and also the photos it
Speaker 2: looks like she's going a burning man like everyone going
Speaker 2: she seemed nice. Is so strange to me because she
Speaker 2: has feathers in her hair and a fedora. She looks deranged,
Speaker 2: the amount of eyeliner on, Like like, I just.
Speaker 3: She seemed nice.
Speaker 2: She seems hopped up on drugs and about to like
Speaker 2: dance to the disco biscuits, Like there's no way she
Speaker 2: looked like a family woman, because there's other like criminal
Speaker 2: fans like Margot Martindale played like a you know, a
Speaker 2: person who chained up kids in a farm. But it's
Speaker 2: Margot Martindale, And I can understand if someone goes, oh,
Speaker 2: she seems she seemed nice. Yeah, not Rosanna Arquette, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, you know what's crazy.
Speaker 3: Rosanna Arquette just a couple days ago, was trying to
Speaker 3: park her car at a Malibu shopping center and instead
Speaker 3: of reversing, she went for and she slammed into this
Speaker 3: thing and like took out three pillars that support. It's
Speaker 3: like nobody got hurt, so it's like you can kind
Speaker 3: of laugh about it, but it's this like wild like
Speaker 3: oopsie Daisy Rosanna Argett, Like I heard about it on
Speaker 3: another podcast and I was like, oh my god. But
Speaker 3: she's like this.
Speaker 1: Their whole family, I feel like, has like this wacky
Speaker 1: They just have like wacky vibes in the Arquette family.
Speaker 1: I feel like, so basically this Alex, Alex and Roger
Speaker 1: there they found a bunch of evidence of them being
Speaker 1: on rehoming bulletin boards. So they troll for unwanted adopted
Speaker 1: kids to star in their movies.
Speaker 3: This is dark and.
Speaker 2: Then they're like, well, we got to find these people,
Speaker 2: like what about the FBI? And Tomorrow was like, no,
Speaker 2: the FBI says that, like these kids have not showed
Speaker 2: up in any videos yet, so we signed some relief
Speaker 2: until Rollins is like, yeah, but it could be a
Speaker 2: live stream and It's like, fuck it could. And then
Speaker 2: Benson's like, listen, these are grifters. Look for welfare, unemployment,
Speaker 2: disability checks. We will find them. And Finn links them
Speaker 2: to VA payments, so hell yeah. So they go to
Speaker 2: the address of where the VA payments go.
Speaker 3: Nobody is there.
Speaker 2: The neighbors told them that the old tenants left after
Speaker 2: Hurricane Sandy, and these people showed up saying that they
Speaker 2: were relatives. The thing is, they just look so shady.
Speaker 2: Is this like a whiteness type thing?
Speaker 1: They literally look like the textbook definition of grifter people
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 3: There's like a picture of these two.
Speaker 1: People because it's also the guy is from Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2: He's he's like big, like a big presence, gray, long hair,
Speaker 2: gray or Mark Boone Junior is this guy's name, and
Speaker 2: he was he's on Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, he looks like he's either a biker
Speaker 3: or a former porn producer who's now making childborn Like
Speaker 3: that's kind of his look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he looks like a Boon Junior, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So you know, they knock knock, all
Speaker 2: the doors and windows are boarded, and the neighbors are
Speaker 2: like we did hear kids playing, but it looks empty,
Speaker 2: but they're in there.
Speaker 3: They they're calling for.
Speaker 2: Nicki and then they while they keep looking around, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they left in a hurry. I'm sure they saw the
Speaker 2: amberler and ran. They find three girls sleeping bags and
Speaker 2: they find Nicki's train blue pajamas. There's also a video
Speaker 2: filming area and there's a ton of blank DVDs. One
Speaker 2: is in the machine Rollin's presses play and it's really dark,
Speaker 2: like it really is, like they can't really show anything
Speaker 2: because it's NBC, but the tones and vibe they create
Speaker 2: really show a darkness of yeah, it's child sex abuse videos,
Speaker 2: but without even showing anything. They really I don't even
Speaker 2: know how they filmed this, Like I really don't even
Speaker 2: get it. But there's a tall girl in pigtails and
Speaker 2: a short girl in pigtails and they like sigh like
Speaker 2: they hate doing that, Like they're like old pros in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 3: The kids like.
Speaker 2: I'm Janet, like yeah, really sad, and they're in schoolgirl
Speaker 2: outfits and they're like, oh, you know, come join us
Speaker 2: for a playdate, and they're trying to include Nicki and
Speaker 2: Nicky's like get the fuck away from me.
Speaker 3: Nicki's just in the corner.
Speaker 2: He's playing, he's shaking no, and he refuses to be involved.
Speaker 2: And then Tomorrow is like, if this is what they
Speaker 2: left behind, what the fuck did they take with them?
Speaker 2: So Benson's in the office pissed off, like how hard
Speaker 2: is it to find a giant blue van and a
Speaker 2: man with a wheelchair? And I do feel they're aggressive
Speaker 2: about wheelchairs here, like we you know, like you can't
Speaker 2: just there's a man in a wheelchair. It's too you know, relax,
Speaker 2: not relax, it's important.
Speaker 3: But I don't like their vibe of like how hard
Speaker 3: is it to find a grifter and a wheelchair? And
Speaker 3: it's like they're not all grifters anyway. So then they're
Speaker 3: like where are the girls from?
Speaker 2: There's no fucking info on them nowhere, no missing kid lists, nothing,
Speaker 2: only screen grabs from porn and they're trying to track
Speaker 2: those down. And then Humanitarian Dad and the worst mom
Speaker 2: in America run in and they see the screen of
Speaker 2: all the investments gation work and they're like, wait, fuck
Speaker 2: do those people have Nikki?
Speaker 3: And they turn off the screen really.
Speaker 2: Fast and she's like, I told you not to come here,
Speaker 2: we'll tell you if we find anything. He's like, please,
Speaker 2: I know what child exploitation looks like. I work at
Speaker 2: the un I've won an award. Lisa gasps and finally
Speaker 2: it hit her and she goes, what have I done?
Speaker 2: And he's like, shut up, it's not about you right now.
Speaker 2: Finally someone shuts her up. This is a narcissist. Yeah
Speaker 2: the woman. Yeah, still, she started me. She struck me though,
Speaker 2: also as like very pilled out. Like the whole time,
Speaker 2: I was like, this woman's on pills. She's like trying
Speaker 2: to make it through every day. She can't handle this child.
Speaker 1: She's like self medicating, Like she doesn't seem like she's
Speaker 1: all there.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, she is pilled out. You're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: I also don't understand, Like, Okay, you have a kid
Speaker 2: and you don't want it because you're a bad person.
Speaker 2: So then you give your kid up in these weird channels. Okay,
Speaker 2: I see that, Why are you a dot? Adopting a
Speaker 2: child takes so much work, so like, how are you
Speaker 2: adopting a child? That's a lot of paperwork, years of
Speaker 2: wait and then give it away.
Speaker 3: We'll get into it. Oh, in the real way, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because that to me, it's like it's like I don't
Speaker 2: want a kid, so like for me to start adopting
Speaker 2: it would be so yeah. But if we're and then
Speaker 2: I go, never mind, Yeah, we'll get into it.
Speaker 3: You're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: It's just it is just so sad to think about
Speaker 2: these kids just dropped off in Connecticut and oh my.
Speaker 3: God, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Anyways, so the reason the parents ran in is because
Speaker 2: they did get a low insulin blood sugar warning on
Speaker 2: their phone.
Speaker 3: So they're scared at what the data is. Scared.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look, I wrote the mom seems heavily medicated. Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we're on the same page. Benson then yells to the
Speaker 2: squad to put out an alert to every pharmacy and
Speaker 2: like whatever with photo and the insulin scoop. So we
Speaker 2: end up at Cross Bay Pharmacy. It is Rosanna Arquette
Speaker 2: and I know her the most from The L Word.
Speaker 3: She has wild sex scenes with Kate Mennick.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, And also pulp fiction is huge for me.
Speaker 2: But she has one hundred and fifty seven credits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like she was a really big star of
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, like I used to see. I
Speaker 1: remember seeing her in this really creepy movie with Dennis Hopper.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it's called, but it's like in
Speaker 1: my mind, like I have I like when I see her,
Speaker 1: I have like flashes of this movie, Like it was
Speaker 1: just on HBO.
Speaker 3: I could probably look it up or one of you
Speaker 3: will DM it to me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she was in Like wasn't she the other
Speaker 1: one with Madonna and desperately seeking Susan or who's that girl?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, like she's yeah, she's a big.
Speaker 2: Eighties galp nowties Dennis Hopper ever not put shivers up
Speaker 2: your spine. Finally, Like Dennis Hopper plays an evil person
Speaker 2: so fucking good. But she's at this pharmacy. It's in
Speaker 2: Howard Beach, Queens And so the photo of the suspects
Speaker 2: you see are like in the view of the pharmacists.
Speaker 2: They're hanging on like the bulletin board by the computer,
Speaker 2: and the pharmacist is doing a great job keeping her there.
Speaker 2: She's not like giving signs, you know, like usually people
Speaker 2: that have to do this are always failing. And this bitch,
Speaker 2: you could tell she wents so good college, so she's
Speaker 2: getting in paid. But Roseanne is getting impatient, and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't know that they're selling for cops.
Speaker 2: She's wearing the same fuzzy hat, like these fuzzy hats,
Speaker 2: I guess we're in, but this one's leopard print, and
Speaker 2: and so then the cops are finally there. It's Finn
Speaker 2: and Rollins. There's a chase and then she thinks she's
Speaker 2: gonna escape, but a car hops out and then Rollins
Speaker 2: tackles her to the ground and it sounded like it
Speaker 2: hurt the Folly artists came to play this day, and
Speaker 2: so then we got this bitch. Finn and Rollins are
Speaker 2: in leave interrogation. So we cut to like the future
Speaker 2: and they're leaving the interrogation room and they're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: this bitch is so tight. She won't say a word.
Speaker 2: Amoro runs in with a file though, and it's the
Speaker 2: reason they went easy on her. He says, like, why
Speaker 2: she got probation, So I wonder what it is. So
Speaker 2: they've run in rejuvenated that they have this file with
Speaker 2: information of her sad story of why she got probation,
Speaker 2: and he and Roger went to jail. So they're like, hey, Gurley,
Speaker 2: you've had a fun run, haven't she? Alexa, child porn, identity, theft,
Speaker 2: pandering with adolescens. Now we can add kidnapping and child
Speaker 2: in dangerment and she doesn't seem bothered. She doesn't know
Speaker 2: what they're talking about. She's like, do you see any
Speaker 2: kids in danger? And they're like, we have the disc
Speaker 2: And then they accuse her of like pimping out the
Speaker 2: girls and pimping everyone out. She goes pimping, No, she scoffed,
Speaker 2: she goes play dates. She goes, I gave a home
Speaker 2: to kids who nobody else wanted, and we have not
Speaker 2: broken the law. We're all about taking care of kids.
Speaker 2: And they're like, Nikki, so you care while his insulin
Speaker 2: is dropping, so tell us like where he is and
Speaker 2: at that moment, like she's such a good actress at
Speaker 2: that or a director whatever, like whoever's in charge of this.
Speaker 2: But like as soon as the Slinn Droppings starts talking,
Speaker 2: she has a smirk across her face and it's like
Speaker 2: this knowing smirk of now she has power, she has
Speaker 2: a bargaining chip.
Speaker 3: So they gave her a little bit to work with.
Speaker 2: But they need to know where Nikki is or he's
Speaker 2: going to go into a coma and then that'll be
Speaker 2: on you know, you and Roger, and she goes, no,
Speaker 2: that'll be on you. You arrested me like he would
Speaker 2: have had his insulin by now, so let me go.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, wow, Bethany, Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, Bethany wow. Talk about women supporting women.
Speaker 2: Wow, But you are bargaining while the kid is dying.
Speaker 3: That's hardcore.
Speaker 2: And Benson has seen hardcore and she says, lady, you
Speaker 2: have no idea anything these kids have had to do.
Speaker 2: I did backwards and high heels from the time I
Speaker 2: was six, and Benson's like, I get it, girl. You
Speaker 2: clearly had a hard life, street life. You got turned
Speaker 2: out as a teen. You you know you lost your baby, Charlie,
Speaker 2: and she says, don't you talk about him? So the
Speaker 2: baby was born premature because of fetal alcohol syndrome. Goes
Speaker 2: the baby was only one pound four ounces, and they
Speaker 2: shame her and around the clock care for two years
Speaker 2: with this baby, and so they use the love she
Speaker 2: had for the baby to like prove how she does
Speaker 2: care and that's why she's caring for NICKI. So she's
Speaker 2: gonna break, she does cry. You don't know what it's
Speaker 2: like to lose one, it leaves a hole in your heart.
Speaker 2: And they're like, so where is NICKI He's okay, you know,
Speaker 2: Roger's making sure he eats, and tomorrow's like feeding him.
Speaker 2: Crap's not gonna help him. He can still die. Benson
Speaker 2: is like, I know you want to do the right thing.
Speaker 2: I see it in your eyes. And she's like, please
Speaker 2: don't tell Roger. I gave it up so easy. Please.
Speaker 2: So now we go to a motor lodge and the
Speaker 2: squad is vested up, and you know, the hair is
Speaker 2: bouncing down the motel halls, the gorgeous the gorgeous locks,
Speaker 2: and so the kids are inside. Stella and Madison, pigtail
Speaker 2: cutie girls are in there and they're like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: looking for Nicky because no one, I guess has ever
Speaker 2: looked for them.
Speaker 3: This is so sad.
Speaker 2: So they're like, yeah, mom went to look for medicine
Speaker 2: and never came back. And then there's like this girl's
Speaker 2: mature as hell and like fully compose this vested armed
Speaker 2: cops run in and she's just like hey, yeah, like
Speaker 2: no no stress, no stress, sleigh.
Speaker 3: So then then they say.
Speaker 2: Uncle Roger took Nikki out for a treat, and they
Speaker 2: were left there and then they realized someone else is
Speaker 2: in the other room, and they're like, please, no, don't
Speaker 2: go in there. And then another girl pops out, Caitlin,
Speaker 2: and she's an older teen Vibe, and so she's in
Speaker 2: the room and she's protecting a baby. There's a fresh
Speaker 2: ass baby in a diaper in the other room of
Speaker 2: the hotel motel. So then the three girls have to
Speaker 2: care for this baby in the motel room. And I
Speaker 2: hope we get these girls a better home soon, and
Speaker 2: I just like, it's so sad that they're all so unwanted.
Speaker 2: So then Finn is yelling at the motel desk clerk
Speaker 2: like you're not being helpful. Tell us who this fucking
Speaker 2: big ass dude is. So we find out the wife
Speaker 2: took the van in the afternoon and then when the
Speaker 2: sun went down, he left with the boy. So then
Speaker 2: Benson gives the baby off to a ACS worker and
Speaker 2: then Benson looks off into the distance and the girls
Speaker 2: don't get out very often and they need to be
Speaker 2: kept a secret. And so Caitlin's on the bed and
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, it's always don't go near the window,
Speaker 2: you know, She's haunted by the direction stay inside Kitlyn,
Speaker 2: Stay inside Kaitlin. So she's very obsessed about it. But
Speaker 2: she aged out of webcaming, so now the young kids
Speaker 2: do it. But Nikki's not a good listener, so he
Speaker 2: hasn't done any videos yet. And the baby is not
Speaker 2: on camera at all. And Roger brought him home as
Speaker 2: a Christmas present to Alex and it made her really happy.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like really pissed now, and so she's in
Speaker 2: the box with the Patricia cat and she's just like bitch,
Speaker 2: you know, and she's like whatever nobody wanted them, And
Speaker 2: Benson is like, including this baby. You really think someone
Speaker 2: handed their infant over to a stranger in a wheelchair?
Speaker 3: Again, just yeah, fucked. So she's said, but I get
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 2: Context of this, but like it is just but it's like,
Speaker 2: you guys look crazy.
Speaker 1: Wheelchair or no wheelchair, you look insane. You are insane.
Speaker 1: Like we don't need to even bring up the wheelchair.
Speaker 2: She says that Roger said he found the baby at
Speaker 2: a train station bathroom and she didn't ask any questions,
Speaker 2: and Benson is disgusted with her. He wasn't gonna be
Speaker 2: like the other ones. She said CJ was my baby.
Speaker 2: Knock knock rollins needs Benson. She takes back the photo
Speaker 2: of the baby and walks out the room. Finn and
Speaker 2: Tomorrow found a witness who saw Nikki get on a
Speaker 2: bus to the airport, so they're rushing, so they're gonna
Speaker 2: leave the bitch tarat and they're off to JFK and
Speaker 2: they're handing out flyers at the airport for the boy.
Speaker 2: I mean to be able to help an investigation while
Speaker 2: I'm at one of my favorite places, the airport, I
Speaker 2: cannot like, if I gotta help us find this baby
Speaker 2: while I was in the lounge, I would suit up.
Speaker 2: I would start searching. I would get so involved. But
Speaker 2: nobody has seen him, unfortunately, and so Amorro's like with
Speaker 2: the secret camera security crew and we have a spotting
Speaker 2: of him a half hour ago. Oh, but there's no
Speaker 2: tickets for Roger or any of his aliases, so it's
Speaker 2: really hard to get past TSA without like a boarding pass.
Speaker 2: We also haven't seen a man in a wheelchair with
Speaker 2: a boy. But then Amorro sees something. He's like, hold up,
Speaker 2: roll it back, so they zoom zoom zoom and into
Speaker 2: the bathroom, like a wheelchair goes in, but Nicki was
Speaker 2: not with him, so they rushed to that bathroom and
Speaker 2: they find the wheelchair, but nobody in it. So now
Speaker 2: we're back with Patricia Keat and Benson is smug and
Speaker 2: she says nothing, but then shows her an iPad with
Speaker 2: the security footage from the airport and what do we
Speaker 2: see this motherfucker walking. He's in a beanie and he
Speaker 2: is walking out the airport and she screams that son
Speaker 2: of a bitch can walk and PIPA's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: didn't know. She goes I've never seen him take a step.
Speaker 2: He made me do everything, and Benson is one track mine.
Speaker 2: She's like the boy, the boy, what would you do
Speaker 2: with Nicki? Where would you leave Nicki? Does he have
Speaker 2: an accomplice? And she's like, I don't even know that
Speaker 2: man anymore. And it's like, oh yeah, a child pornographer,
Speaker 2: gift grifter faked being in a wheelchair, so shocking, Like
Speaker 2: she's acting like he's been this great guy, but now
Speaker 2: it's gone too far. It's like the people who decide
Speaker 2: not to vote for Trump for like the dumbest reason
Speaker 2: eight years in you know what I mean? So she
Speaker 2: screams she doesn't know what he would have done with Nikki.
Speaker 2: She's crying, but she confirms there wouldn't be another accomplice.
Speaker 2: It's just the two of them. They were never apart,
Speaker 2: she goes, we were never apart. Pippa's like, girl, protect yourself.
Speaker 2: Are their friends that would help him? And she responds,
Speaker 2: Roger has stepped on everyone he knew to get to
Speaker 2: the gutter. And I really like that line because it's
Speaker 2: kind of like fucking your way to the middle, you know,
Speaker 2: like I like it where you didn't even get anywhere
Speaker 2: by being the worst piece of shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, anyways, where would he go if he was in trouble?
Speaker 3: Where what would he do? What is up?
Speaker 2: So they go to a Chinese restaurant, which which to
Speaker 2: me is comedy. This is a Neel Bear moment, like
Speaker 2: where's this big wheelchair guy?
Speaker 3: The Chinese buffet?
Speaker 2: Like it is just so nineties? And he is ordered
Speaker 2: I would say, no less than twenty dishes. This is
Speaker 2: a full, delicious dinner for eight and there might still
Speaker 2: be leftovers. I'm pretty I want to be there, like
Speaker 2: the food really good.
Speaker 3: We used a screen grab of this dinner Thanksgiving post
Speaker 3: one year. We did. We absolutely did. I just love it.
Speaker 2: And like the server tells on him immediately, like I've
Speaker 2: never seen someone just point to a man so fast.
Speaker 2: They probably hate his ass. He is Homer Simpson but
Speaker 2: with worse but like in terms of food, like this
Speaker 2: is a Homer Simpson episode where he goes to All
Speaker 2: you Can Eat seafood and then like bankrupts the restaurant.
Speaker 2: So he's chewing on his way out. He's sticking ribs
Speaker 2: in his mouth. He like is trying to escape to
Speaker 2: grab more bites as he's being carried out, like he's like, what,
Speaker 2: we're gonna leave the He like cannot believe they're gonna
Speaker 2: waste the food.
Speaker 3: He's like, at least let me finish dinner.
Speaker 2: But they drag his ass out as he is chewing
Speaker 2: like a lama on a rib and they start questioning
Speaker 2: him and he keeps denying knowing where Nikki, who Nikki
Speaker 2: even is. He's like, deny, deny, deny, and they're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: we hate you so and they're like and we know
Speaker 2: you can walk, so shut up, you liar, and he's
Speaker 2: like whatever, it's the best you can park anywhere. And
Speaker 2: your girl gives you spongebats, and that's twisted.
Speaker 3: This guy is twisted. But then he has a good point.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, the people that gave him away one
Speaker 2: and back okay, And Tomorrow says, Alexa gave you up, babe,
Speaker 2: You're done.
Speaker 3: She turned on you. He goes, no way, She's loyal
Speaker 3: as hell.
Speaker 2: And then they show him the photo of him walking
Speaker 2: at the airport and he goes, ah, man, you showed
Speaker 2: that to her. Yeah, there's no bro code, man, no
Speaker 2: thin blue line is not for you, honey. Tomorrow says,
Speaker 2: last chance, tell us where he is to avoid getting
Speaker 2: the pedo charge while you're in jail. And he's still
Speaker 2: not being helpful, which is tough because no one wants
Speaker 2: to be a pedophile in jail. But he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I gave him some juice to chill him out, and
Speaker 2: I dumped him off at a donut place, and that
Speaker 2: kid is a pain in the ass, and I just
Speaker 2: love that, even like famed child pornographers like nah, man,
Speaker 2: like that kid's a mess. So they and by famed,
Speaker 2: I mean in the bad way. I'm not like pro
Speaker 2: this guy clearly. Yeah, they're back at the airport and
Speaker 2: the security is telling Rollins and Benson like, we looked
Speaker 2: everywhere and we cannot find him. Then it clicks like
Speaker 2: maybe he went on a plane that reminded him of home.
Speaker 2: And I love this kind of little gameplay. There is
Speaker 2: a flight to Georgia and the worker's like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is a domestic terminal.
Speaker 3: It's like Atlanta. He's a kid, he wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: So they run to the flight that's supposed to be
Speaker 2: going to Georgia. They rush up and down the floor,
Speaker 2: you know, the aisles, They check the closet, the bathroom's locked.
Speaker 2: They make the flight attendant open it. I love the
Speaker 2: way she opens it. It's fucking hot, and the kids
Speaker 2: passed out. Hold They're like, is there a doctors? They're
Speaker 2: insolent on board. Oh my god, but the kids okay.
Speaker 2: We're at the hospital. Benson is greeting Lisa and Nobel
Speaker 2: Prize dad, and Benson lets them know like he's been
Speaker 2: through a lot, but you know you can see him,
Speaker 2: and the dad's like, I'm gonna go in there first,
Speaker 2: and Benson and Lisa are left together. She goes, I
Speaker 2: know what you're thinking, but I was having a breakdown,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, so you call someone or you ask
Speaker 2: for help. You don't just discard a child. Do you
Speaker 2: know how lucky that Nikki is alive and unharmed? And
Speaker 2: also it's like there is trauma, I'm sure, but like
Speaker 2: with what he's already been through, is it just a
Speaker 2: drop in the bucket? Like, how does added trauma compound
Speaker 2: on itself versus just this is life? I am very
Speaker 2: curious that, Like, I mean, this is how those Sibyl
Speaker 2: characters come to light. You know, yeah, so much abuse,
Speaker 2: you just keep shattering and chattering.
Speaker 3: I have not seen that movie, you.
Speaker 1: Know, neither I knew people that watched it in school.
Speaker 1: They used to show it in school for like like
Speaker 1: say Ecology, not Sybil. The other one with the guy
Speaker 1: James McAvoy. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 3: Split?
Speaker 1: I actually watched that movie, and I don't like to
Speaker 1: watch scary movies, but that one fucked me up.
Speaker 3: It's yuh, it's not as way Betty Buckley's in it.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember her.
Speaker 2: So then Benson goes. Honestly, if there were any better
Speaker 2: options for him, I would recommend that you never fucking
Speaker 2: have him back in your life. And she walks off
Speaker 2: like Lisa, you do not get sympathy from Benson here.
Speaker 2: Lisa yell's it's gonna be different this time, and Benson,
Speaker 2: without even looking at her, goes, I hope so, but
Speaker 2: he's so happy to see daddy, and you know, he's like,
Speaker 2: I got you, and they're hugging and hopefully this kid
Speaker 2: can get it together, and Dad is like, let's try
Speaker 2: this again. Lisa walks in and Nikki looks at her.
Speaker 2: They look at each other and nothing is said, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure he will strangle her to death one day,
Speaker 2: So Hank or not okay. So then hey, Pipa and
Speaker 2: Benson do a hospital walk and talk and he's like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: way to go. You rescue the girls and the baby.
Speaker 2: The mayor wants you to do a press conference. You're
Speaker 2: getting awards, you're getting attention, and they're like, babe, we
Speaker 2: have work to do, so send our regards to the
Speaker 2: fucking mayor. So they still have to go charge Roger
Speaker 2: and Alexa and make sure they go away for a
Speaker 2: long time. They also have to find the parents of
Speaker 2: the other kids. Nobody has come forward yet. Hank is
Speaker 2: so upset by this, he's grossed out, even though he
Speaker 2: probably has a membership to their streaming channel, and he's like,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with people? I don't know, ask yourself that
Speaker 2: Hank Abraham future pedophile. But they're gonna mention the missing
Speaker 2: kids in the press conference. So they're at family Court
Speaker 2: discussing baby boy Dough. Three girls went into foster care
Speaker 2: and are waiting permanent placement, but nobody has claimed the baby.
Speaker 2: Even with all the press coverage, there's no records of
Speaker 2: this baby anywhere. There's no matches. So then the judge
Speaker 2: played by Jane how to show a beloved actress as
Speaker 2: Jude as Judge Ruth Lindon.
Speaker 3: She goes, it's try.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants this baby in a time where so many
Speaker 2: people yearn to have a child. But you know, this
Speaker 2: kid is unclaimed and a destitute child, so the baby
Speaker 2: will stay in child services until efforts to find someone
Speaker 2: to take care of the baby come up.
Speaker 3: Then it's like the.
Speaker 2: TikTok noise from the beginning of the episode happens, and
Speaker 2: then you know, Benson is just staring off sad listening
Speaker 2: to this baby news dick Wolf, baby, I am done talking,
Speaker 2: Get to the ads, get to the ad.
Speaker 1: Well that's but that's baby Noah, This baby is baby Noah.
Speaker 1: We find we find out later, So this is technically
Speaker 1: his first appearance.
Speaker 3: Is he can do us good?
Speaker 2: Because you also mentioned Wednesday's child is a fortune telling thing,
Speaker 2: and I feel like this episode is a fortune telling
Speaker 2: to her getting Noah.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she's having this dream. It's like a fresh test.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, enjoy our advertisements and we shall return shortly. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. So this is based on a couple of
Speaker 1: different things. One is specific, one is more overarching. So
Speaker 1: I'll get into the specific case first. This is based
Speaker 1: on a case of Sky Metalwala, who was two years
Speaker 1: old when he disappeared from the area of Bellevue, Washington,
Speaker 1: which I think it's like outside of Seattle.
Speaker 3: His mother, Julia.
Speaker 1: Biryukhova, was a Ukrainian immigrant and a stay at home mom,
Speaker 1: and she said she was taking Sky, who was sick,
Speaker 1: to the hospital, along with her daughter, Miley, who was
Speaker 1: aged four. Julia said her car ran out of gas
Speaker 1: and then wildly she pulls over because her car runs
Speaker 1: out of gas, takes her four year old daughter, but
Speaker 1: not her two year old Sky to go find help
Speaker 1: in what world. Conflicting reports, Some say she was gone
Speaker 1: for two and a half hours. Some say she was
Speaker 1: gone for an hour an hour and a half, but
Speaker 1: when she returned to her car, Sky was gone. She
Speaker 1: left him strapped in to It's so fucked up. He
Speaker 1: was never found. He would be thirteen years old today.
Speaker 1: No one has any idea where Sky Metalwala is mine.
Speaker 1: I know it's horrible. But the cops found out later
Speaker 1: that her story did not add up. The car had
Speaker 1: so like not an immigrant name at all, Like to
Speaker 1: have a Ukrainian kid named Sky is very yeah, and
Speaker 1: his dad is a Pakistani immigrant, so it's like it
Speaker 1: is kind of maybe they just were like, let's agree
Speaker 1: on something super American and like modern, so American.
Speaker 2: Modern la like Sky is such a like TV name.
Speaker 3: But yeah, obviously this is this is horrible. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: happened in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: The cops though, found out, what's up, girl, Your car
Speaker 1: had gas in it.
Speaker 3: Your car was working fine, so what's the story.
Speaker 1: She also left the house to take her kid to
Speaker 1: the hospital because he was allegedly sick. No wallet, no purse,
Speaker 1: no phone on her She apparently wandered through all these
Speaker 1: neighborhoods on her way to go get the gas, but like,
Speaker 1: never found, never asked anyone for help. No one reported like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we saw this woman and her daughter looking
Speaker 1: for help. When she got to a gas station, she
Speaker 1: didn't even get gas. She called a friend to come
Speaker 1: pick her up and drive her back to the car,
Speaker 1: which is when she found that Skuy was missing. They
Speaker 1: also noticed that her account of events Buckle Up Lisa
Speaker 1: was very similar to an episode of Law and Order
Speaker 1: SVU that ran in the Seattle area the evening before
Speaker 1: Sky's disappearance. The episode in question is called Missing Pieces.
Speaker 1: It's from season thirteen. Do you remember it. It's where
Speaker 1: a couple from Buffalo comes down. They say that the
Speaker 1: car got stolen with the baby in it, but it
Speaker 1: turns out their baby had died of SIDS. They thought
Speaker 1: they'd killed the baby, so they'd buried it and then
Speaker 1: created this whole kidnapping story so that they wouldn't get
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 2: So the mom I want to get on the podcast
Speaker 2: because she is from Insecure.
Speaker 3: She's the camp gotcha or like oh yeah, we got
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Also an avatar, yes, not in a couple other episodes
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's in the episode Avatar.
Speaker 1: And she's also in the episode recently where she meets
Speaker 1: her like daughter, she gave way for adoption like later
Speaker 1: in life.
Speaker 3: So I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: But I cannot all star Lisa Joyce is her name,
Speaker 1: and if I'm right, I just came up with that
Speaker 1: out of my fucking head, which is nuts.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that SVU gave this woman the idea
Speaker 2: of how to try to get it. But also they
Speaker 2: get caught in the episode. Yeah, not the episode to
Speaker 2: use when they get caught, like she didn't catch the
Speaker 2: end of the episode, but she.
Speaker 3: Doesn't get caught, like, she doesn't get caught, Like what
Speaker 3: happened to this kid? Like no one fucking knows.
Speaker 1: So the dad is Solomon Metalwalla Sky's father Julia's. At
Speaker 1: the time, they are estranged and they're going they're in
Speaker 1: the process of getting divorced, and he said through his
Speaker 1: attorney that Law and Order was one of his wife's
Speaker 1: favorite shows. So this is like where it's all kind
Speaker 1: of getting like come together. So Julia and Solomon and Solomon,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned as a Pakistani immigrant, were in the
Speaker 1: midst of a divorce and custody dispute when this all
Speaker 1: went down. Police said it was a quote unquote strategic
Speaker 1: decision not to charge Julia with child and day for
Speaker 1: abandoning her son on the side of the fucking road,
Speaker 1: because they wanted to try to get more out of her.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's kind of like putting that woman
Speaker 1: in the box with her husband to try to see if, like, well,
Speaker 1: we can find out where Nikki is.
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, a couple of.
Speaker 1: Years earlier, this couple, Solomon and Julia, left Sky only
Speaker 1: two months old, in a car at Target while they
Speaker 1: went inside for almost an hour and it was twenty
Speaker 1: seven degrees out. They said they were in there for
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and they didn't want to wake him up,
Speaker 1: but the store camera footage obviously busted them, and it
Speaker 1: was close to an hour. And it's like, I've been
Speaker 1: there where you want to like go run inside and
Speaker 1: grab something, but you like cannot leave your kids in
Speaker 1: the car. Like there's actually a full article about this
Speaker 1: woman who went through this full this nightmare. I'll google
Speaker 1: it and try to send it to Casey to put
Speaker 1: into our show notes. But this woman ran into a
Speaker 1: store to get headphones. She was in a radio shock
Speaker 1: for like five minutes. Someone reported that she left her
Speaker 1: kid in the car. I think she left a window open,
Speaker 1: it was locked, like whatever, but like she lost custody
Speaker 1: of her kids. I think she went through a full
Speaker 1: nightmare for leaving her kid for five minutes while she
Speaker 1: ran into a radio shock to buy headphones. So you
Speaker 1: just can't do it. It's like I read that story
Speaker 1: pre having kids, and it's like, you just can't do it.
Speaker 1: So these two at that time, two years earlier, were
Speaker 1: arrested in charge with child endangerment, but were later led
Speaker 1: off after they agreed to take parenting classes. So now,
Speaker 1: the year before Sky's disappoint appearance, Julia was committed to
Speaker 1: a mental health facility after telling her husband that she
Speaker 1: had dreamed of killing the children.
Speaker 3: She was diagnosed with severe OCD.
Speaker 1: And there's like details about how the husband had to
Speaker 1: like eat outside and sleep on the floor because she
Speaker 1: was so vigilant about keeping the house clean. And that's
Speaker 1: obviously a result of this severe OCD that she had.
Speaker 1: So when she was released from the hospital that time,
Speaker 1: Solomon filed for divorce and it did get messy. She
Speaker 1: accused him of being abusive and controlling. He said she
Speaker 1: was unstable, which then leads us to this disappearance. Julia,
Speaker 1: they said, couldn't take a lie detector because she was
Speaker 1: too distraught, and when they asked her about all the
Speaker 1: weird shit like the car having gas and her going
Speaker 1: to the hospit without a wallet or a purse or
Speaker 1: a phone, she pled the fifth. So the police wondered
Speaker 1: if Sky was ever even in the car at all,
Speaker 1: and motorists who saw the Accura on the side of
Speaker 1: the road didn't report seeing a child or anything suspicious,
Speaker 1: and people at the family's apartment complex said that Julia
Speaker 1: and her kids did not go out much and they
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Sky for two weeks.
Speaker 2: But my and if you're so ocd like, nothing is
Speaker 2: messier than a kid, like, I wonder how that kind
Speaker 2: of triggered in a two year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miley, the four year old, did say Sky
Speaker 1: was in the car that day, so the four year
Speaker 1: old her account is that the kid was in the car.
Speaker 1: On her Facebook page also, Julia had posted all these
Speaker 1: pics of Miley but none of Sky. So you can
Speaker 1: check my Instagram. There are pictures of oscar everywhere. It's
Speaker 1: not just Rosy everybody. So anyway, Miley was put into
Speaker 1: foster care after sky went missing. Custody of her was
Speaker 1: eventually granted to her father after the divorce was finalized,
Speaker 1: and Julia moved on married somebody else and has a
Speaker 1: baby with them, and I think was going through some
Speaker 1: kind of CPS thing with maybe getting her kid. That
Speaker 1: kid taken away, So I don't know there, the dad says,
Speaker 1: I like to believe that he's still alive. He's somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know, she gave him to somebody like who wanted
Speaker 1: a kid, but I don't know. They've released photos of
Speaker 1: him with age progression and he'd be thirteen right now.
Speaker 3: Who knows. But Sky Metalala never found. The episode is
Speaker 3: so fucked I know, it's so fucked up. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: don't do anything based on Order and Lawn Order SVU
Speaker 3: except for the star cups hell overware. Yeah, leaving your
Speaker 3: headphones ducked into a car where you've been abducted to
Speaker 3: prove that you were there, you know, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So this episode is also based, obviously in a much
Speaker 3: larger capacity, on the practice of disrupted adoptions, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, an adoption that ends before it's finalized, and
Speaker 3: around the time that this episode aired, which was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Disrupted adoptions were becoming more and more commonplace in the
Speaker 1: years leading up to this episode, and this was especially
Speaker 1: common among adoptions from Eastern European countries like Russia and Romania,
Speaker 1: where some children were traumatized in their orphanages more than
Speaker 1: their adopted parents were led to believe. What I've always
Speaker 1: heard about Russian orphanages is like they're just overcrowded and
Speaker 1: a lot of kids just don't get any physical contact,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think we even had a girl
Speaker 1: at camp one time who was very, very tiny, and
Speaker 1: her parents had told us that her growth was stunted
Speaker 1: because she was just not touched for the first year
Speaker 1: of her life in a Russian orphanage.
Speaker 3: It's so wild.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, like all the early times matter, but
Speaker 2: it is so overwhelming, Like how all the touch like
Speaker 2: little things affect kids' behavior forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I can.
Speaker 2: Get them, but if you're not touched, sure feel love
Speaker 2: for two years, you're just whole life is fucked forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why they're like skin to skin the
Speaker 1: minute the baby comes out. They slap that little guy
Speaker 1: right on you because they want you to like be
Speaker 1: immediately start bonding with them.
Speaker 2: But it's just like not shocking. It makes sense that
Speaker 2: it would affect your growth forever, but like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just so important. I don't know, I'm really Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're lying because it wasn't another episode.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of them have.
Speaker 2: FAS and they're not going to like tell people that
Speaker 2: what's FAS if you alcohol syndrome?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh wow, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3: I think that's really popular in Russia.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I didn't even I don't know if popular
Speaker 1: is the right word commonplace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know what you were saying.
Speaker 1: So just like in this episode, people do call this
Speaker 1: process rehoming, which to me, I've only ever heard rehoming
Speaker 1: talk about dogs and cats like pets, like I need
Speaker 1: to rehome my puppy he's biting my kids or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I don't really love the sound of rehoming. But
Speaker 1: a couple of examples. In two thousand, a couple in
Speaker 1: Atlanta named Jesse and Crystal Money disrupted the adoption of
Speaker 1: their nine year old daughter, Kara Lee, who they adopted
Speaker 1: from Russia, and they sent her back to her orphanage
Speaker 1: in Moscow. They said she tried to throw her adopted
Speaker 1: brother off of a thirty foot deck and they were
Speaker 1: scared for their lives. But this guy did a forty
Speaker 1: eight hours thing about it and actually reconnected with the girl,
Speaker 1: Ka Lee, who now goes by Sabrina I think, and
Speaker 1: she has like four of her own kids and a
Speaker 1: good life. And she said she was never trying to
Speaker 1: kill her brother. She felt her parents liked the brother
Speaker 1: more than her and was probably trying to get attention.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is usually stuff like that. But then
Speaker 1: they thought they feared for their safety. They said she
Speaker 1: had like psychopathic behavior. And then in twenty ten, this
Speaker 1: is ten years later, but these are just two examples.
Speaker 1: Torri Ann Hanson had adopted a little boy named Artiem Saveliev,
Speaker 1: a seven year old that she had adopted from Russia,
Speaker 1: and she put him on a plan to Moscow, an
Speaker 1: eleven hour flight. A seven year old child gave him
Speaker 1: a backpack with some cookies and crayons, and in it
Speaker 1: there was a note that said I no longer wish
Speaker 1: to parent this child. He is violent and has severe
Speaker 1: psychopathic issues. That's what the note says. So this case
Speaker 1: like blew everything open, like so Torrian Hansen was later
Speaker 1: ordered to pay child support for RTM, even though he
Speaker 1: continued to live in Russia, because I think that he
Speaker 1: had been naturalized, he had been gotten American citizenship, so
Speaker 1: he was an American even though he's living in Russia.
Speaker 3: You got to pay for your kid.
Speaker 1: This case kicked off a ton of scrutiny about the
Speaker 1: international adoption process and Russia's orphan crisis.
Speaker 3: There was a.
Speaker 1: Woman on the Parliamentary Committee of Family and Children named
Speaker 1: Yelena B. Missolina, and she said in twenty ten around
Speaker 1: this time, that Russia had more than seven hundred thousand orphans,
Speaker 1: which is more orphans than at the end of World
Speaker 1: War Two, when twenty five million Soviets had been killed.
Speaker 1: So you would expect an event like that to leave
Speaker 1: a ton of orphans, but in the twenty tens there
Speaker 1: were even more. So she said that even though Russia
Speaker 1: was like hating on the US a lot after this
Speaker 1: big returning the child case, which I don't agree with,
Speaker 1: it's terrible. They had huge internal problems in the country,
Speaker 1: like thirty thousand kids in the last three years within
Speaker 1: Russia were sent back to institutions by their adoptive foster
Speaker 1: or guardianship families. So like she's calling it a humanitarian
Speaker 1: catastrophe according to the New York Times and percent.
Speaker 2: My question is, so it's happening in Russia more than
Speaker 2: anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, Well, the percentage of orphans is four to
Speaker 1: five times higher in Russia than in Europe or the US.
Speaker 1: That number is as of I believe twenty ten. And
Speaker 1: of that high number of orphans, thirty percent of them
Speaker 1: live in orphanages.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I'm trying to think of the
Speaker 2: cultural stuff because it's like because it's higher numbers of
Speaker 2: people being brought back too. So I wonder if the
Speaker 2: Russians are more secretive than all the other countries or
Speaker 2: if this happens everywhere. But also like there is just
Speaker 2: a nature of secretism where like you're not supposed to
Speaker 2: admit if your child has problems. You know, it's about
Speaker 2: like lying you don't want the neighbors to know. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's communism effect, but there is a
Speaker 2: thing of like God for there's just more.
Speaker 3: Secrecy shame to these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't even come across the fetal alcohol
Speaker 1: syndrome thing, but that's a really good point, because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's an issue you know over there. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is because they're you're encouraged, like if
Speaker 1: you have a baby that has issues, like no one
Speaker 1: will judge you for dropping off a child with down
Speaker 1: syndrome like I do. I mean, I'm speaking so generally
Speaker 1: in like of the culture, but there's good people everywhere.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be a reason why the numbers
Speaker 1: are more all.
Speaker 3: The other reason.
Speaker 1: The other thing is is experts say that a lot
Speaker 1: of these kids are kept in these massive orphanages that
Speaker 1: are like warehouses, and they're calling they call it warehousing
Speaker 1: young kids, and that being in that huge facility like
Speaker 1: that also stunts their social and intellectual development. There's also
Speaker 1: an article that I put in my sources from the
Speaker 1: New York Times about this amazing orphanage where the kids
Speaker 1: get there's so many toys, the kids get fed great,
Speaker 1: they love it, but nobody's adopting them. They're all like
Speaker 1: five or seven and above. And like they said, there
Speaker 1: was something in the article like over the past year,
Speaker 1: one kid had been adopted. So it's like they're they're
Speaker 1: pretty happy at this orphanage, but like no one is
Speaker 1: adopting them. So maybe there's a stigma to adopting an
Speaker 1: older child, you know, like and not a baby.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But in the US, the cultural goal is to reunite families,
Speaker 1: and in Russia that's not really the goal. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've worked with foster children, and like you really want
Speaker 1: to find any relative that will take a child before
Speaker 1: you will send you want to send them to just
Speaker 1: a foster parent, so or someone that's not blood related
Speaker 1: to them, excuse me. And when people lose their kids, yes,
Speaker 1: the system can be fucked up, but there is a
Speaker 1: path to getting your child back, and that is what
Speaker 1: the government wants to happen. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the case. Apparently it's also boils down to money. The
Speaker 1: Russian government spends roughly three billion dollars annually on orphanages
Speaker 1: and as of twenty ten, and similar facilities, which is
Speaker 1: jobs money on a regional level, plenty of opportunity for
Speaker 1: corruption and theft. So it's thought that to keep this
Speaker 1: system running and keep this system profitable, they have to
Speaker 1: have a flow of children coming in. It's a way
Speaker 1: that we handle prisons in our country, truly, like prisons
Speaker 1: are for profit prisons are you know, like we got
Speaker 1: to keep people getting busted on small drug charges so
Speaker 1: we can keep these fucking prisons full. And then so
Speaker 1: there's these flow of children's, these orphanages, and then it's
Speaker 1: so hard to even adopt them, like you were saying
Speaker 1: in before, like the process, the bureaucracy, like when adoptions
Speaker 1: were permitted in Russia from the US, families especially from
Speaker 1: foreign countries, have to pay these huge sums of money
Speaker 1: just to get through all the bureaucracy. So they're not
Speaker 1: even making it easy to solve their orphan problem. And
Speaker 1: Russian officials, which I read, seem embarrassed that their country
Speaker 1: has this orphan problem and has to actually give them
Speaker 1: two foreigners. They got a temporary suspension of all Russian
Speaker 1: adoptions to the US as a result of the RTM case,
Speaker 1: the case where the little boy was sent back to Moscow,
Speaker 1: and then that was in twenty ten. In twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: putin signed into law a complete ban of US adoptions
Speaker 1: of Russian children that went into effect on January first
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. So if you remember, during the Trump years,
Speaker 1: everyone kept saying, oh, we're Donald Trump Junior or Eric
Speaker 1: Trump is trying to bring adoption to the table with Russia,
Speaker 1: like the adoption issue, the adoption issue, and it's like
Speaker 1: the adoption issue is not really about kids, like because
Speaker 1: this band that Putin signed has been viewed as a retaliatory,
Speaker 1: like it has a retaliatory function against the US that's
Speaker 1: to get back at them for putting sanctions on Russia
Speaker 1: because of their human rights abuses. So every time adoption
Speaker 1: comes up in these elections with Russia, it's like a
Speaker 1: political dog whistle, Like it's really just like Russia wants
Speaker 1: their sanctions lifted.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, we're happy to put adoption on
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 1: But it's like you don't care about actually getting kids
Speaker 1: good homes. You just care about getting your sanctions lifted.
Speaker 1: At least the Putin part of it.
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking to you, yeah, because if you have
Speaker 2: like all of these orphans, like why wouldn't you want
Speaker 2: them in homes? But like, also, honestly, I don't hate
Speaker 2: that mom that at least put them on a plane
Speaker 2: with a snack in a note, Like it's not as
Speaker 2: bad is selling them to some underground thing. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: which I mean that obviously damaging a fucked. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, Yeah, if you get a kid and
Speaker 2: it's like the omen, I don't know, just like yeah,
Speaker 2: little Damien trial that's trying to kill your other kids.
Speaker 2: Like I I it's tough. It's tough, but it's also like,
Speaker 2: why are you adopting You think these kids are just
Speaker 2: going to be chill out on a seesaw having a
Speaker 2: good time, Like, yeah, they have trauma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the a lot, I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of the real there is not a
Speaker 1: lot of research. Basically, there's not a lot of data
Speaker 1: because adoptions are private most of the time, like even
Speaker 1: the public ones. It's like the disruptions are not always
Speaker 1: like recorded. It's like it's really hard to get data
Speaker 1: on this. Anecdotally, I've heard from people who are teachers
Speaker 1: in schools or work with children that they've had issues
Speaker 1: with some kids that have been adopted from Russia after
Speaker 1: long stays and orphanages because they are traumatized, you know.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I think parents want a white kid and
Speaker 1: that's why they go to Russia, and you know, they're
Speaker 1: not prepared for all of the all of the issues.
Speaker 1: There was also a little thing in the research I
Speaker 1: was doing about this YouTube couple who rehomed quote unquote
Speaker 1: their kid or it turned out he had autism. But
Speaker 1: before that, they made like a million episodes of content
Speaker 1: about getting their miracle baby and their their journey to
Speaker 1: adoption and stuff like that, and then they kind of
Speaker 1: just like when the kid had problems, they were like,
Speaker 1: it's not a good fit and they moved them on.
Speaker 1: So I obviously can't speak to what people's capacity is.
Speaker 1: If you feel like a kid cannot be thriving in
Speaker 1: your home, obviously you have to take measures. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe, and I'm also generalizing. I'm sure I
Speaker 1: know that there's plenty of people that are adopting children
Speaker 1: from Russia with good intentions, but sometime they can't, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but now they can't. Now they can't, but I mean
Speaker 1: like before ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was another social media has definitely added
Speaker 2: an aspect to this, because there was another social media
Speaker 2: family where they were going to adopt a baby from
Speaker 2: like Thailand or something like that, and then the rules
Speaker 2: are you can't post on social media your kid for
Speaker 2: a year, like you cannot, and so then they decided
Speaker 2: to adopt the kid, and it's like, oh, so you
Speaker 2: were just getting the kid to post them, got it? Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: white people adopt what Christian I would say Christian evangelicals
Speaker 2: adopting in our country is like an issue because I
Speaker 2: went to North I went to you know, an evangelical college,
Speaker 2: and the way these eighteen nineteen twenty year olds would
Speaker 2: talk about their mission trips to like Africa and stuff
Speaker 2: was like bragging about their trip to the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: When you were a.
Speaker 2: Kid, it was like it was It's like a brag thing.
Speaker 2: It's like getting a new lexus. They talk about these
Speaker 2: kids they take like it's souvenirs from a trip. It
Speaker 2: was really sickening to be around it. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: we know people, I feel like this is deje vous?
Speaker 2: Have we just talked?
Speaker 3: We talked about this, but maybe somewhere else? Oh is
Speaker 3: that it? Yeah? I don't remember. I don't either.
Speaker 2: But we have a friend who was adopted from Korea
Speaker 2: and by like white evangelical parents and then and he
Speaker 2: is who he is.
Speaker 3: They could not handle it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is this weird like evangelicals love to adopt,
Speaker 2: but then they want you to be a straight little Christian.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, anyway they.
Speaker 2: Want you to behave So it's like even the people
Speaker 2: you know for social media or for your religious afterlife, like,
Speaker 2: no matter how you look at it, if it's not
Speaker 2: just about the child, you are wrong or do we?
Speaker 2: And what sucks to We were talking about adoption. I
Speaker 2: remember in college. I'll I remember a lot from college
Speaker 2: because I was so disgusted by everyone I went and
Speaker 2: pretty open minded, but they were talking. We were talking
Speaker 2: about adoption and I had to take a family relationship class.
Speaker 3: This is a Christian university. Oh oh my god. But
Speaker 3: he the sociology.
Speaker 2: Professor, he's passed, but he was very you know, he was,
Speaker 2: I guess spicy for that community. But we were talking
Speaker 2: about adoption and they were all just like, yes, adoption, adoption,
Speaker 2: we have to help children. And as soon as it
Speaker 2: became about gay adoption, it was like, oh absolutely not
Speaker 2: absolutely not. And it's like you were just talking about
Speaker 2: how any like we got to save these kids and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, never mind, they actually they should
Speaker 2: be in an orphanage if it's gonna be good. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's not about the kid, it's about their own salvation.
Speaker 2: It's about all these other things. It's like very rarely about, like, oh,
Speaker 2: we want to give love to a kid, right, why
Speaker 2: would you not adopt a kid you can't put on
Speaker 2: social media? Like that is that's like twisted to me
Speaker 2: the whole God they didn't get them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the adoption is so complicated, just like watching a friend,
Speaker 1: like friends of ours that we know, like ye went
Speaker 1: through the process of like supporting a mom and then
Speaker 1: they renag on it a couple times and it's like
Speaker 1: they actually feel like, oh, well, at least we supported
Speaker 1: someone who was in need. But it's like hearp, they
Speaker 1: got a baby, thank God, who's so beautiful and they
Speaker 1: have such a beautiful family. But like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's like when you have a nursery ready for
Speaker 1: this kid to go home and you're you know, you
Speaker 1: get it's like heartbreaking. But it's also like why is
Speaker 1: it so expensive when there are so many people that
Speaker 1: want to do it and can't afford it? Like I
Speaker 1: have a friend who adopted, and it was like their
Speaker 1: entire life savings just to do it. They're a perfectly
Speaker 1: great family for a kid, Like why are we not
Speaker 1: just matching it up and doing a little bit of
Speaker 1: money and lawyer's fees, you know, like like the way
Speaker 1: you can get a quickie divorce. Well, I guess you're
Speaker 1: saying it's because it's like the prison system. Well there, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean but I bet i'm here too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, because why isn't it free here or what are
Speaker 2: easier here?
Speaker 3: Like the obviously motives? Yeah, yeah, totally totally. If you
Speaker 3: have more information about adoption, let us know. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: we will be right back to your sources because I'm interested.
Speaker 3: This is twisted shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have a great guest, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Before I introduce today's interview, I just want to remind
Speaker 1: you that this interview was recorded prior to the SAGT.
Speaker 1: No one is violating any SAG rules here, and no
Speaker 1: one would want to. Everybody on our podcast fully one
Speaker 1: hundred percent supports the strike, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: point that out before we start. And our guest today
Speaker 1: is exciting, a true Broadway baby. She has starred in
Speaker 1: the Broadway productions of The Scarlet Pimpernel Next to Normal, Priscilla,
Speaker 1: Queen of the Desert, and Dear Evan Hanson. She also
Speaker 1: had a recurring role in CBS's Why Women Kill. But
Speaker 1: you know we love her and refer to her lovingly
Speaker 1: as Pippacocks. Please enjoy our interview with the lovely Jessica Phillips. Wait,
Speaker 1: so I have to know this because you messaged us
Speaker 1: on Instagram and I everyone needs Pippacocks to slide into
Speaker 1: their dms because it was a true thrill, Like I gasped, So,
Speaker 1: how did you hear about our podcast? I'm like, was
Speaker 1: some friend of yours like they're talking about you?
Speaker 3: Like cause we talk about it all the time. Yes, absolutely, No.
Speaker 5: My friend Lane actually texted me and he was like, okay,
Speaker 5: so I listened to this podcast all the time, and
Speaker 5: he's like, I think he's listened to every single.
Speaker 3: Episode you guys have done.
Speaker 5: And he's like, and they did there, Yes, they did
Speaker 5: one of your episodes and they talked about you. And
Speaker 5: I was like, what, wait a minute, did they like me?
Speaker 5: Because let's start there, because actors need to be liked
Speaker 5: And so I didn't even know about your podcast until
Speaker 5: he told me, and so then then I went down
Speaker 5: the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, that's how we that we need
Speaker 1: that kind of grassroots marketing so that we can get
Speaker 1: you know, we got you. Now we need to get Ludacros,
Speaker 1: Joan Cusack. There's a few more people.
Speaker 3: So that's right. Everybody's friends need to be telling them. So, okay,
Speaker 3: where should we jump in here?
Speaker 5: Do you know my story how I kind of came
Speaker 5: over from Warren's musical. That's okay, okay, So Raoul and
Speaker 5: I Raoul.
Speaker 3: A Sparza and I, we're familiar.
Speaker 5: We did a musical called Leap of Faith on Broadway.
Speaker 5: We start opposite each other in this musical. And you know,
Speaker 5: this thing had been kicking around for like ten years
Speaker 5: and had gone through all of these various workshops and
Speaker 5: had done some regional productions, and it just I think
Speaker 5: wasn't taking flight. And so they decided to hire a
Speaker 5: new book writer to kind of like restructure the book
Speaker 5: of the musical. And they brought him more in Light
Speaker 5: to do it. And he had already won a Tony
Speaker 5: for Sideman, so like he had his you know, you know,
Speaker 5: he was on the scene there on Broadway, and so
Speaker 5: he came in and I hadn't met him.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't even know this was happening.
Speaker 5: And a casting director called called me one day and said, hey,
Speaker 5: can you come in and just do a cold read
Speaker 5: of this script? And I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 5: They just want to hear it out loud. I was like, sure, Sure.
Speaker 5: So I walk in the room and it's Warren Light
Speaker 5: and Glenn Slater and Alan Mankin who wrote the lyrics
Speaker 5: and the music for this musical, and Rolla Sparza, and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, cool room. So I just you know,
Speaker 5: I sat down. I did a cold read this musical
Speaker 5: and discovered it was called Leap of Faith and had
Speaker 5: been familiar with it because I'd actually had auditioned for
Speaker 5: it in earlier incarnations. Anyway, it was weird how it
Speaker 5: came back to me like that. And then a week
Speaker 5: later they called and asked me if I would do
Speaker 5: a workshop version of it in this with this new
Speaker 5: book that Warren had written. And then four months later
Speaker 5: we opened on Broadway. So it was like wam bam.
Speaker 5: But they called him in to like just restructure the thing,
Speaker 5: and he like combined some characters and re ordered something. Anyway,
Speaker 5: it was it was, I think, very successful until we
Speaker 5: opened on Broadway, and then we realized it was not
Speaker 5: going to last, so we were only open for uh,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe three weeks. We previewed for like six weeks,
Speaker 5: seven weeks, and then we were opened for three and
Speaker 5: then we closed. Regardless through that process, as we were
Speaker 5: previewing the musical for the Broadway production, you know, I
Speaker 5: got to work with Warren a lot and he would,
Speaker 5: you know, we would sit down and and well, like
Speaker 5: I wasn't starstruck because I didn't really know who he was,
Speaker 5: because I was just a theater gal. Of course, I
Speaker 5: like watched Law and Order, but I just didn't I
Speaker 5: hadn't put the name the the face to the name, right,
Speaker 5: So I was like, you know, we would sit down
Speaker 5: and we would talk about, you know, how to, how
Speaker 5: to what was needed in a certain moment, and he
Speaker 5: would write a monologue and he would ask my feedback
Speaker 5: and I would give it to him. And that's sort
Speaker 5: of how we functioned through the preview process. And then
Speaker 5: you know, once the show opened and we were panned
Speaker 5: and we closed very quickly, you know, Warren and Raoul
Speaker 5: and I, of course, we all sort of felt like
Speaker 5: we had been through a car crash together. But we
Speaker 5: stayed in touch, and later that year he wrote me
Speaker 5: a part a Lawn Order and.
Speaker 3: That was Pippacox. Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was really cool and it was like,
Speaker 5: you know, I, like I said, I was just a
Speaker 5: theater gal and I just hadn't really done any television.
Speaker 5: And some of that was because I just worked a
Speaker 5: lot in theater, and some of that was because I
Speaker 5: didn't feel confident about my ability to translate right, Like
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't feel confident being on camera. So
Speaker 5: I was like, no, that's okay, I'll just stick to
Speaker 5: what I know. And a couple of months before this
Speaker 5: opportunity came up with with Law and Order, I was
Speaker 5: going through an acrimonious divorce and I had I was
Speaker 5: like in the middle of a kind of really traumatic
Speaker 5: custody battle, and I just decided that I couldn't work
Speaker 5: nights anymore. Of course, Broadway shows are in the evening,
Speaker 5: and I just thought, okay, I can't, I can't do
Speaker 5: this anymore. I have to switch gears. And so I
Speaker 5: think I just sort of forced myself into saying, like,
Speaker 5: you have to go in an audition for TV and
Speaker 5: you have to like just face your fear with this
Speaker 5: and do it. And that's what I did. I booked
Speaker 5: a pilot and I shot that and it didn't get
Speaker 5: picked up. But I you know, I sort of had
Speaker 5: like my first foray into onto a set. And then
Speaker 5: my very second job was pip a cox hipA baby.
Speaker 1: Did Warren tell you that it was gonna recur? Or
Speaker 1: was like when you came on you just thought it
Speaker 1: was one or what he didn't?
Speaker 5: I think he like might have said, yeah, we'll see
Speaker 5: what happens hopefully, but no, I was just thrilled to
Speaker 5: like have a one off actually, and you know it
Speaker 5: was was it was thrilling. It was thrilling to be
Speaker 5: there on set. And like, you know, my first my
Speaker 5: first day on set was not Wednesday's Child. I don't
Speaker 5: even remember the name of the episode them all this week?
Speaker 3: So you did a second? Did it was the one?
Speaker 5: I'll tell you it had a child named Jonah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's born Psychopath, right that one? Okay?
Speaker 5: That was my first episode. And Jonah is my son's name,
Speaker 5: So that's how I remember that. Oh wow, I have
Speaker 5: two sons and one of them is Joan. But my
Speaker 5: first day on set, my first scene, we were in
Speaker 5: the squad room and the entire cast was there, you know,
Speaker 5: like Marishka and Dan and Iced Tea and Kelly and
Speaker 5: Danny and I mean everyone was there, and I was
Speaker 5: I was like peeing my pants.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was so nervous.
Speaker 5: And we shot the scene where like I was standing
Speaker 5: in the middle. You guys probably saw it this week,
Speaker 5: but in the middle of like that, they were all
Speaker 5: in a circle around me, and the camera was kind
Speaker 5: of spinning and we were doing this like kind of
Speaker 5: high impact like you know, movement, and anyway, we shot
Speaker 5: the scene and then somebody just like yelled okay. I
Speaker 5: was turning around, and I didn't know what that meant,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't know what that meant in TV terms,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys know.
Speaker 5: It just means they're gonna shoot the same scene from
Speaker 5: a different direction, right, I had no idea. Everyone scattered
Speaker 5: except me and Iced Tea, and I just like stood there.
Speaker 5: I guess I was waiting for somebody to.
Speaker 3: Tell me where to go. I don't know.
Speaker 5: And I was standing there just like awkwardly looking at
Speaker 5: Iced Tea like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what to do.
Speaker 5: And then I just go, so, where do you live?
Speaker 5: It's just like an asshole, you know, And he looked
Speaker 5: at me and he goes I've been here fourteen years.
Speaker 3: I just say the words. He's like, lady, just.
Speaker 5: Shand down, you know, just say your lines. We don't
Speaker 5: have And to this day is like the most stage
Speaker 5: piece of acting advice I've ever gotten.
Speaker 3: Just say the words, you know.
Speaker 5: And he was so sweet and so that was sort
Speaker 5: of my introduction to the set and the.
Speaker 3: Cast, and I mean everyone was amazing.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. A nice circle walk and talk as your
Speaker 2: first that's right, that's right. Bit of shooting.
Speaker 3: Turn it around.
Speaker 2: Because you're you know, the Social services DA type of thing.
Speaker 2: You do work with a lot of kids, So how
Speaker 2: is it working. Do you have any stories with the
Speaker 2: kids from.
Speaker 5: I don't, No, Like I never really had damages. No,
Speaker 5: yeah I would, there was not I don't have any
Speaker 5: memories of like having one on one with those kids.
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of it was like me standing
Speaker 5: outside of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're usually behind the view room.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and even in the courtroom. Like, no, I'm
Speaker 5: trying to remember your kids.
Speaker 2: You also had kids with the you know, yes, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know that then.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I didn't know that until Collateral Damages.
Speaker 1: Wait, so that's what I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: like they give you the script for Collateral Damages, you
Speaker 1: find out that A you're married to Hank, b he's
Speaker 1: a pedophile, and you guys have kids together.
Speaker 3: No idea were you like what, Like, yeah, it blew
Speaker 3: away my backstory.
Speaker 2: Like well, yeah, because you guys had another episode where
Speaker 2: you interacted and so you didn't know you were married
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 3: No, we did not know that. This is the only
Speaker 3: episode that you are in together sides Collateral Damages. This
Speaker 3: is the only one. Like the rest of the episodes,
Speaker 3: you guys are separate characters. So I feel like they
Speaker 3: added this. I don't think they had this conceived from
Speaker 3: the very beginning. I had probably you guys were going
Speaker 3: to be married now well probably not.
Speaker 5: And when I rewatched that scene, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's no I don't even think there's a like a
Speaker 5: two shot with with us in it.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was wild because I mean, all in all, I
Speaker 5: recurred for five seasons, and those first four seasons I
Speaker 5: was like, okay, uh, you know, she's like got, She's
Speaker 5: wearing expensive clothes and has a blowout, like for every
Speaker 5: appearance in court, and every time we seeing the blowout okayible.
Speaker 5: I mean she is like she is strutting some stuff there,
Speaker 5: and I mean, you know, eighties like in real life
Speaker 5: can't like they can barely eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just don't make a living wage.
Speaker 5: And so I'm like, Okay, obviously she's a trust fun baby, right,
Speaker 5: Obviously she's like just putting her time in to like
Speaker 5: give back. But she doesn't, you know, she doesn't work
Speaker 5: for the money. You know, I had just constructed this
Speaker 5: whole backstory for myself, and she was clearly single, and
Speaker 5: she was like hanging out with the ladies from Sex
Speaker 5: and the City every night, you know, like this was
Speaker 5: her thing. She's Miranda's colleague, right. But yeah, So when
Speaker 5: I got the script for Collateral Damages and you know,
Speaker 5: Warren like texted me and he was like, I got
Speaker 5: a good one come in your way. And I was
Speaker 5: like okay, and I read it and my jaw was
Speaker 5: on the floor. I was like, what, Hank Abraham what?
Speaker 5: So it was a it was a wild turn of
Speaker 5: events to realize that she all this time she had
Speaker 5: this family and yeah, I don't know how much money
Speaker 5: at Hank makes, but dickhead husband, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Seriously, Yeah, because you are kind of a character that
Speaker 3: most people, like I would say, like you have this
Speaker 3: sort of Alex cabin energy of like sort of no,
Speaker 3: like very smart da and then like this guy is
Speaker 3: just like a before the yeah, even before the pedophile stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's just a pain in the ass. He's always bothering
Speaker 3: Marishka's care like Olivia, right, and then you're like when
Speaker 3: you open the door, and then when you figure it out,
Speaker 3: You're like, wait, what these two.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get you never know what goes on
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, but I just was shocked.
Speaker 3: And then the pedophilia.
Speaker 1: But it was a great episode for you because you
Speaker 1: really got to do a lot of heavy lifting in
Speaker 1: that episode.
Speaker 3: I feel.
Speaker 5: Oh in Collateral Damages, yeah, yeah for sure. Like I well,
Speaker 5: it's so funny because you know, every time I did
Speaker 5: an episode, I was like, I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: like she's she's like really upset and and you know
Speaker 5: she loves these kids, and they were always like, no,
Speaker 5: she doesn't care. She's like sees fifty of these cases
Speaker 5: a day. She's just like very matter of fact, she's
Speaker 5: not feeling about it.
Speaker 3: And every time I was like, oh, you know, like.
Speaker 5: Because I so wanted her to be infused with some
Speaker 5: sort of you know, empathy and like you know, have
Speaker 5: something something to play. But you know they are the
Speaker 5: smart ones obviously, like they needed her to be matter
Speaker 5: of fact, like they needed that advocate, that Cabot energy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So when I read this the Clatter Damages episode, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, yeah, that's this is some this is something.
Speaker 5: And I actually had a moment where I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't think I can do this, Like I this
Speaker 5: feels like this feels above my pay grade. Meanwhile on
Speaker 5: Broadway like I'm I'm I played crying moms all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like what I do.
Speaker 5: So and I got to tell you, like Mushka took
Speaker 5: such amazing care of me during that episode. It was
Speaker 5: it was really a remarkable experience and to see her
Speaker 5: work and lead the company that way. Like at one
Speaker 5: time point we were like rehearsing something. I think it
Speaker 5: was that stairwell scene, and she was like, can everybody
Speaker 5: just get out, Like I just need to clear this
Speaker 5: room because we just need the space the two of us,
Speaker 5: like or the three of us, you know. So she
Speaker 5: was just she was so attentive to the fact that
Speaker 5: it was like a really vulnerable thing for me to do,
Speaker 5: and she just didn't want like a lot of extra
Speaker 5: crew and everything standing around while we were rehearsing it,
Speaker 5: so that like I could get into a good headspace.
Speaker 5: And I mean, she's just amazing. I know you've heard
Speaker 5: this from other people, but she really is remarkable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard it from a lot of other people,
Speaker 1: but I was one of my questions that I wrote
Speaker 1: down was like, you guys felt like you had like
Speaker 1: a good chemistry on screen, and so I was like
Speaker 1: wondering if you guys became pals off screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah we did.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's it's funny because she well, you know,
Speaker 5: going back to like when I went in the first
Speaker 5: time for like that very first scene that I shot,
Speaker 5: I was standing around like between takes, and like I
Speaker 5: was standing by myself and I just kept looking up
Speaker 5: and like seeing people staring at me, and I was
Speaker 5: like at like Mushka and like Dan Floor Dan Floric
Speaker 5: was like staring at me, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: what's going on with this creepy dude over here?
Speaker 4: Like what?
Speaker 5: And we did a take and then after the take,
Speaker 5: Dan and Musha Marshall both come up and they're like,
Speaker 5: we figured it out.
Speaker 3: We know how we know you.
Speaker 5: And it turns out they had seen leap of faith
Speaker 5: because obviously Warren got everybody tickets and I think they
Speaker 5: were there like opening night, but they were all standing
Speaker 5: around trying to like place me.
Speaker 3: Right, oh god. So it was very.
Speaker 5: Sweet and so at that from that point on, you know,
Speaker 5: every time I was on Marshia would be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: so tell me about singing lessons.
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me about like yes, she's like obsessed with Broadway, right,
Speaker 3: yeah she is.
Speaker 5: And so we would talk about voice lessons and and
Speaker 5: all things vocal technique, and and you know, she was
Speaker 5: like and it's just amazing to like that she she
Speaker 5: cared enough to ask about other people. I mean, you
Speaker 5: know it just when you when a star of that caliber,
Speaker 5: you would think like, Okay, they're probably just going to
Speaker 5: go into their trailer and not talk to anybody. But
Speaker 5: she's you know, she just likes people and she's lovely
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we literally just get everybody. I don't know that
Speaker 1: there's another person like in the business that people.
Speaker 3: Feel so positively about, like maybe Tom Hanks. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: Maybe Mariska Hargetts Say and Tom Hanks are neck and
Speaker 1: neck for America's Sweethearts.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I loved that.
Speaker 1: In season twenty two, I think they brought you back
Speaker 1: as just a defense attorney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't like ruin PIPA's life completely. When I
Speaker 3: got Rist, they brought her back. So technically you could
Speaker 3: come back at any time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I guess so.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not dead in a trunk somewhere, yeah,
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was really like I was so curious to get
Speaker 5: that script.
Speaker 3: We filmed that.
Speaker 5: Right after the shutdown, it is like September of twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: and you know, it was like everything was just slowly
Speaker 5: coming back at that point, and and you know, I
Speaker 5: mean it was like all of these zones that for
Speaker 5: safety zones backstage, I mean on the set and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. So you know, it was just a weird
Speaker 5: kind of energy in general, and everyone was so happy
Speaker 5: to be back to work. I was doing a Broadway
Speaker 5: show at that point, and our show was shut down
Speaker 5: because all of Broadway was shut down. We shut down
Speaker 5: in March and didn't reopen for like twenty months, So
Speaker 5: it was I was grateful to like have something something
Speaker 5: to do and to have Pipple come back like that.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I was sort of like hoping that they,
Speaker 5: you know, had a different job for her, like that
Speaker 5: they were maybe going to put her in, you know,
Speaker 5: in a different part of the law or maybe mee
Speaker 5: her a judge or something, you know, like to I'd
Speaker 5: like to see her, well, let's let's be honest. I
Speaker 5: like to see her spin off and sort of have
Speaker 5: have her own.
Speaker 1: Life, of course, but I feel like Hank like tainted
Speaker 1: her reputation just by association in a certain way, you know,
Speaker 1: Like fortunately, so a few things she could do, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad she You know, we're our eyes are open
Speaker 1: for Pepa to come back at any time. And we
Speaker 1: do have a mole in the casting department who listens
Speaker 1: to our podcast, so we want Puppa back amazing.
Speaker 2: And this might be like too much of a little
Speaker 2: Easter egg, but we pay attention to the wardrobe so often,
Speaker 2: and it is usually dark colors, dark purples, we noticed,
Speaker 2: but in this episode, you're like bright orange or you're
Speaker 2: the only person I've ever seen wearing like a bright
Speaker 2: ass shirt.
Speaker 3: Do you think that was for a reason. Did you
Speaker 3: guys talk about it? We did not.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not sure who made that executive decision. I mean,
Speaker 5: like the wardrobe department over there is kick ass. You know,
Speaker 5: they're amazing, and for a long time they just like
Speaker 5: kept a closet for me, which made me feel really fancy,
Speaker 5: you know, just like stuff that I had tried on
Speaker 5: that they they would pull from. I was also like
Speaker 5: I was because I was going through a divorce. I
Speaker 5: was like underweight, you know. I was like I had
Speaker 5: lost a lot of weight and I was very thin.
Speaker 5: So I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't fit
Speaker 5: that closet anymore. But yeah, I don't know. It's such
Speaker 5: a I mean maybe because you know, they were trying
Speaker 5: to make a statement about about her.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because she was a redhead. Who knows.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they could be your red hair. They were
Speaker 1: trying to like make your hair pop or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it was fun. It was fun. Like
Speaker 3: everything I wore there was just like beautiful. Yeah, what's
Speaker 3: going on with your Broadway life? We have talked to
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: Of Broadway people on the pod because there's obviously so
Speaker 1: much crossover and we do like to ask people like,
Speaker 1: since you've done a lot of Broadway, is there like
Speaker 1: a dream role that you have.
Speaker 3: Yet to play that you'd love to play?
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 5: I just played my dream role in Dear Evan Hanson,
Speaker 5: so I did that for a while and that show
Speaker 5: unfortunately closed in the fall. Yeah, I'd love to play
Speaker 5: mother in rag Time. I mean, just some of the classics,
Speaker 5: you know, at some point, like I'll be old enough
Speaker 5: for like Mama Rose, you know, those kinds of things.
Speaker 5: But no, I sort of feel like, I mean, I've
Speaker 5: spent a lot of my career doing original stuff, stuff
Speaker 5: in development, and I think there's a lot of good
Speaker 5: stuff that has yet to be written. So you know,
Speaker 5: I've got my I'm like putting all my eggs in
Speaker 5: the new composer's basket, and I think there's just going
Speaker 5: to be some great new like badass women that are
Speaker 5: going to lead stories in the future, because you know,
Speaker 5: we're still catching up. Women are still catching up, you know,
Speaker 5: because most, like a majority of our Broadway composers have
Speaker 5: traditionally been men, and they have written stories about men
Speaker 5: for men, So you know, we're just we're catching up.
Speaker 5: We're catching up so I think there are some like
Speaker 5: amazing roles for women that have yet to.
Speaker 3: Be imagined and put to paper.
Speaker 2: What's the biggest difference about like theater actors and TV
Speaker 2: actors or like film and screen and then yeah, the theater.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like theater actors are like super neurotic all
Speaker 5: the time and dramatic, and I think like most of
Speaker 5: the TV actors I've met are just super chill. You know,
Speaker 5: they're just like because the because the stakes are lower
Speaker 5: when you are shooting a scene, right, you're not in
Speaker 5: front of anyone live, you have a chance.
Speaker 3: To do it over.
Speaker 5: You're only doing it in small chunks, and for the
Speaker 5: most part, it's not even chronological, right, So yeah, it
Speaker 5: just it just is. It's just easier. And I have
Speaker 5: to say that it's like a more humane schedule. It's
Speaker 5: just easier to be on TV schedule because you know,
Speaker 5: you've got weekends off. I mean, you're shooting long days.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're like fourteen or fifteen hours.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of like waiting around, right, It's like
Speaker 1: your call time is hours before you have to do anything,
Speaker 1: or you're sitting in the makeup chair. It's like that's
Speaker 1: the way it's like I feel like you get there,
Speaker 1: you're on stage. That's some people for three hours.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like you know.
Speaker 5: Yeh shot out of a canon and there's and yeah,
Speaker 5: and there's just kind of no, there's no sort of
Speaker 5: stepping off that that that train once it's left the station.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and I think it just makes you know,
Speaker 5: it just makes theater people neurotic. Plus you know, it's
Speaker 5: not as it's not as cushy a living, so theater
Speaker 5: actors have to like hustle big time for their next gig.
Speaker 5: And that's just it's just hard on the ego. You know.
Speaker 5: TV actors are just a little more chill, so they're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I get a little residual check here and there.
Speaker 3: I'll be okay, you know.
Speaker 2: Tell us about why women kill before you go, yeah,
Speaker 2: well it looks so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was my pandemic project because after
Speaker 5: I shot that episode of Law and Order, I flew
Speaker 5: to la and and did this series. And are you
Speaker 5: familiar with Mark Cherry and what he does?
Speaker 1: I'm a Desperate Housewives Yeah, Stan, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Mark Cherry wrote this and it's fun. It's
Speaker 5: like every season is different so it's like American horror story.
Speaker 5: It's like a whole new cast and a whole new
Speaker 5: you know plot. So this this particular season, the second
Speaker 5: season was set in nineteen forty nine, and so we
Speaker 5: got to do all of those like cool period costumes
Speaker 5: and like they even did our our nails, Like we
Speaker 5: had manicures that were reflective of like that that period
Speaker 5: of time with you know that that sort of nail art.
Speaker 3: It was really cool.
Speaker 5: It's kind of amazing because, like I, I think I
Speaker 5: was contracted for four of the ten episodes when I
Speaker 5: signed on, and then I ended up doing eight because
Speaker 5: as we were going along, they just sort of kind
Speaker 5: of kept writing and they kept writing for my character.
Speaker 3: And then in the.
Speaker 5: I guess eighth episode they did a big reveal, but
Speaker 5: we discover that, like my character is gay and she's
Speaker 5: having an affair with another woman in this coffee clatch
Speaker 5: right that we're following. And what those writers didn't know
Speaker 5: was that I had fallen in love with a woman
Speaker 5: in real life and that I was in the process of,
Speaker 5: like you know, leaving a marriage and and he didn't
Speaker 5: even know that.
Speaker 3: They didn't know, They didn't know. Isn't that wild. That's
Speaker 3: so wild. How art imitates life? Yeah, or life imitates heart?
Speaker 3: What's the phrase? Exactly? Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: So you know I got that script and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my am I wearing a sign?
Speaker 3: What's happening?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: But it was cool and it was cool to film,
Speaker 5: and obviously, like I mean, it was all.
Speaker 3: Suggestive, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was kind of an I think it was like
Speaker 5: the universe like teeing me up to you know, have
Speaker 5: the courage to do that, do that in my life,
Speaker 5: in my real life. Yeah, that was fun. M Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's amazing. So that's why that's why I'm advocating.
Speaker 3: For like gay Pippa as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's just get her out there like across the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know for a fact that that would resonate
Speaker 3: with the viewers. Gay would definitely.
Speaker 5: I mean, we just got to give them what they want,
Speaker 5: give the fans what they want.
Speaker 2: She was amazing, and I do have to say Jessica
Speaker 2: came out on top for me in a personal way
Speaker 2: because while I was in New York, my sister's like, I.
Speaker 3: Want to see a Broadway show.
Speaker 2: I want to see Anne Juliette, And it's like bitch,
Speaker 2: you could have given me a little more leeway. But
Speaker 2: then Kara remembered that Jessica mentioned that her friend worked
Speaker 2: at and Juliette, and so she hooked it up and
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 3: To go see it because we got tickets and the.
Speaker 2: Cocks and I got tickets from Pippa motherfucking cocks. So
Speaker 2: that's like very thrilling. So thank you so much, Sjessica
Speaker 2: and being such a good guest. And she listens. I hope,
Speaker 2: I don't know what she feels about our rampage about
Speaker 2: the Barber movie.
Speaker 3: She was so freaking cool. We love Jessica Phillips. What
Speaker 3: a queen.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the shock too, Like I saw comic and a
Speaker 2: friend Saturday and it was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: loved it. You did too, And I got no, really
Speaker 2: it was fine. I liked it and there were a
Speaker 2: moment what like it's also the shock like people like,
Speaker 2: you know, people are like nervous evens say something bad,
Speaker 2: you know, because then it's like you're against women. You know,
Speaker 2: women should make bad movies all the time. That's like
Speaker 2: the whole Yeah, yeah, that's the fun.
Speaker 1: Now Jared's dying to see it because he wants talk
Speaker 1: to me about it, but I'm like dreading it anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because he's gonna love it. No, he's I
Speaker 3: don't think he is. I think he's gonna think it's
Speaker 3: all over the place. To be honest, I don't think
Speaker 3: he's gonna have it.
Speaker 2: But do you think he's gonna join the right wing
Speaker 2: and thinking they made men look like idiots?
Speaker 3: I think he might think a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: I actually, you know what, I shouldn't even make I
Speaker 1: think he'll be like, I don't know, they were kind
Speaker 1: of like mean, like how guys were like so stupid.
Speaker 2: I do want to say, Jared, did put your daughter
Speaker 2: in your underwear and send her to school? So yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're a grown woman, Yeah, maybe you can. You
Speaker 2: can tell him that they are tiny, tiny underwear. He actually, wait,
Speaker 2: he just texted me. This is so funny.
Speaker 1: He texted me he took Rosie to the zoos so
Speaker 1: I could record, and he goes Rosie. A quote from
Speaker 1: Rosie is that animal is hiding from creditors.
Speaker 2: What she made creditors But she said creditors, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it is. But I also would assume that Rosie knows
Speaker 2: what a creditor is you know, That's why.
Speaker 3: I didn't get it. That animal, that animal did not
Speaker 3: pay her MasterCard and she has been going to her
Speaker 3: up so cute.
Speaker 2: I did go to the pool with Kara and Rosie
Speaker 2: and Oscar and it was really cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot of kids splashing us in
Speaker 1: the face and Oscar kept going. Me and Lisa got
Speaker 1: pina coladas and Oscar kept going, Lisa.
Speaker 3: Drink your smoothie. Drink your smoothie. I liked when you go, Lisa,
Speaker 3: do you like ice cream? Do you like tacos? He's
Speaker 3: so obsessed with tacos right now because of Dragons love
Speaker 3: Tacos the book. Anyway, listen, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for Jared to be on Fox News
Speaker 2: going the Barbie move. He was mean.
Speaker 3: I got mad.
Speaker 1: Jared's gonna be out at our grill burning them like
Speaker 1: fucking Ben Shapiro, that little twerp.
Speaker 2: I also, I know we have to talk about this episode.
Speaker 3: I did you know?
Speaker 2: We watched so much as for you non recording, So
Speaker 2: I was like, what episode is even in this? So
Speaker 2: I googled Wednesday's child sv and there are the cutest
Speaker 2: fucking photos.
Speaker 3: Go to the images.
Speaker 2: It's like Amorrow, like Danny Pino and the kids from
Speaker 2: the episode hugging backstage, it's Benson with the girls. It's
Speaker 2: Benson smiling at the baby. But I love Amorrow and
Speaker 2: the little blonde girl.
Speaker 3: It's like so cute. Oh my god, she's got her
Speaker 3: leg kicked up in the back. She's like loves meeting
Speaker 3: Danny Pino.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like really fucking cute, So so cute. But
Speaker 2: just wanted to let you guys know if you wanted
Speaker 2: to see something cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we love talking to Jessica, And honestly, if
Speaker 1: you're listening our casting mole, we got to get Pipa
Speaker 1: Cocks back on. She's one of those characters that like
Speaker 1: is kind of a small part in every episode, but
Speaker 1: we love her and we love talking about her.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to see where she is now because
Speaker 2: she had to leave her job at child's Services.
Speaker 3: How do you what do you do with your kids?
Speaker 1: Like, like, how do you rebuild your life after you
Speaker 1: find out that your partner and the father of your
Speaker 1: children is a full child child you know, sex abuse, imagery,
Speaker 1: a pedophile. But he didn't act on it, right, He
Speaker 1: just had a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know if pedophile means you have to act
Speaker 3: on it. Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: And looking at images of children being raped makes you
Speaker 2: a pedophile?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: But that's what I was going to say. Purveyor of
Speaker 1: child sex abuse images. It's the same thing. It's a pedophile.
Speaker 1: But let's get Pippa back on. I want to see
Speaker 1: what that bitches up to these days. As for this episode,
Speaker 1: the post mortem, Jesus, I didn't realize that there were dating.
Speaker 3: A grift or in a wheelchair. Push them into a pool.
Speaker 2: Aka from the episode Manipulated. You do not want to
Speaker 2: be spongebathing that like that guy for no reason. Okay,
Speaker 2: you if you start dating someone in a wheelchair, you
Speaker 2: make sure they're really paralyzed. I would push them out,
Speaker 2: shove them out. No, you gotta know if they can
Speaker 2: walk or not. They could be scamming you. And also,
Speaker 2: don't be shocked when a grift grifts you. I would say,
Speaker 2: you know, you think, yeah, yeah, people are gonna treat
Speaker 2: you the way they treat everyone else. Eventually you might
Speaker 2: be I don't know if any of you have been
Speaker 2: friends with narcissists before psychopaths. But they will do to
Speaker 2: you what they've done to others. Yes, it's you're just
Speaker 2: waiting on your turn. It's coming to you.
Speaker 1: I feel like this the true situation with all these
Speaker 1: adoptions and stuff that's so upsetting too. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess we're not really doing adoptions with Russia right now,
Speaker 1: but I do also feel like there are, like I
Speaker 1: did reference some cases that are more current where people
Speaker 1: like you, if you adopt a kid, you have to
Speaker 1: be like ready for the whole, like kit and kaboodle
Speaker 1: of like what parenthood, and it might not just be
Speaker 1: like a perfectly like neurotypical, perfect child with no issues,
Speaker 1: you know, and like you cannot return to sunder.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess technically you can, but you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connecticut, can we get some better laws, Yeah, some
Speaker 2: stricter laws about being able to dump your kids somewhere.
Speaker 1: Without Yeah, like no no official transfer, just give your
Speaker 1: kid to another person. It's so crazy, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: was a this was a wild one this episode.
Speaker 2: And you can't adopt a kid from a fucking orphanage
Speaker 2: and be like act normal kid, Like what the I know?
Speaker 1: I know It's like, it's what you always say from
Speaker 1: the Colleen Stand episode, like expecting people to act normal
Speaker 1: after they've gone through not normal experiences and circumstances, you know,
Speaker 1: is yeah.
Speaker 2: But also the dat it's just like, don't have a
Speaker 2: kid if you don't want a kid like lady.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that lady was on pills. Man, that lady was
Speaker 3: on pills. They din't cover it.
Speaker 2: Also, I'm thinking the Arquettes. Let's let's get a movie
Speaker 2: with all of you in it together. Yeah, all the Arcats,
Speaker 2: love the Arcats.
Speaker 1: Let's get an ar Catte family variety show going on
Speaker 1: fucking Netflix. No, nope, We're striking against all those companies.
Speaker 1: Something live here in La. Anyway, let's get into our
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do for the week. This is
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization,
Speaker 1: an article, a podcast, a movie, something that will give
Speaker 1: you more information about we talked about today, which was
Speaker 1: a lot. We talked about adoption, disruption and dissolution, and
Speaker 1: so I wanted to point you to some resources at
Speaker 1: child Welfare dot gov.
Speaker 3: That's Child Weelfare dot Gov.
Speaker 1: In the article specifically that I'm referencing will be in
Speaker 1: our linked in our stories the day of the show release,
Speaker 1: and we'll always be saved in our WWSPD highlight. But
Speaker 1: the resources provided on child weelforre dot gov are meant
Speaker 1: to help families navigate an adoption that is disrupted or
Speaker 1: ends in dissolution and links. You know, there's some links
Speaker 1: to some other information there that I think can be
Speaker 1: helpful and instructive if you just want to know more
Speaker 1: about this topic or if you are in a situation
Speaker 1: like this or no someone who is.
Speaker 3: So that's that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that. And I do have
Speaker 2: to say one more thing about Barbie with that bench scene,
Speaker 2: where it's like, even if that old woman feels great
Speaker 2: and is like, oh yeah, I'm beautiful, duh, the world
Speaker 2: is not treating them the same and it's ignoring that.
Speaker 2: Like that's why it's so annoying when people are like,
Speaker 2: love yourself, and it's like lots of people do. It's like,
Speaker 2: but the world is not gonna they don't like. They
Speaker 2: actually don't like if you're if you do not look
Speaker 2: like Barbie and you like yourself, people actually don't like that.
Speaker 2: So even if the old woman knows it, it's like
Speaker 2: this idea of like the picture the stereotypical Barbie of
Speaker 2: like the beauty we find beautiful telling other people.
Speaker 3: It's like, stop acting like that. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, no matter how you feel about yourself, no
Speaker 2: one will ever be treated the way Barbie, a person
Speaker 2: like Barbie is treated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's what's it's condescending, gotcha, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: condescending and delusion.
Speaker 3: I mean she's a Barbie. She doesn't know the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it comes from a place where
Speaker 1: she's opening up. I hear what you're saying, and the
Speaker 1: movie could have done more of that. But like that
Speaker 1: Barbie herself, she does not know people get to that age.
Speaker 1: There is no old Barbie like so I don't think
Speaker 1: she's like seeing women.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why didn't I make an old Barbie? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: old lady Barbie.
Speaker 1: Her kids are out of the house and now she
Speaker 1: loves a glass of wine before bed.
Speaker 2: Her little side things are like a vagina lubricant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what else?
Speaker 1: Yeah, remov she has little Beniva chocolate's next to her bed.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's like, this is a heating pad.
Speaker 1: I threw my back out doing yoga. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: We love Old Barbie Stan Old Barbie.
Speaker 2: Okay, anyways, next week we'll be doing Lead.
Speaker 3: That is season ten, episode fifteen.
Speaker 1: Lad everybody, Yes, we'll see you guys next week.
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