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Speaker 1: We've been doing the closure calls for a while now,

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Speaker 1: but today is a first because we reached out to

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Speaker 1: someone that our listener has never even met before, never

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Speaker 2: Why would you need closure for someone who is not

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Speaker 2: part of your life at all?

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Speaker 3: How does that work?

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Speaker 1: These are good questions that we should ask her, but

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Speaker 1: they desperately need to get closure on this, and from

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Speaker 1: the little bit that I do know, it is a

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Speaker 1: very interesting, very shocking, mysterious story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking, why is our producer picking this person?

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Speaker 1: Let's ask some of these questions to Marissa and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey Marissa, how's it going?

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, it's going okay? How are you? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Are you like hitting up like Madonna to ask her

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Speaker 5: why she's not making music anymore?

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Speaker 6: She's actually still making.

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Speaker 3: Good music. Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe thanks for the We can speculate, but let's

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Speaker 1: just have Marissa tell us what made you email the

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Speaker 1: show for help?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So this is kind of a crazy story. It

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Speaker 4: kind of blows my mind too. But this this chick

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Speaker 4: name asked then hit me up okay instant our direct

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Speaker 4: message okay, and said she had a crazy story for me.

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Speaker 2: Did she tell you the story right away or was

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Speaker 2: it one of those like, I don't know, she's setting

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Speaker 2: you up for a scam or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Funny you mentioned that I thought it was a scam

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Speaker 4: at first because it's so crazy. But she said she

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Speaker 4: just found out that thirty years ago she was accidentally

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Speaker 4: swapped at birth for another baby at the hospital and

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Speaker 4: that baby was me.

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Speaker 2: Wha what whoa wait, she's claiming, how would she know what?

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Speaker 4: Ye a swap sisters. I was like, Okay, that sounds really.

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Speaker 1: Weird, like swap sisters. Dude, it sounds like a show

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Speaker 2: She's saying, your parents aren't your parents, that they're her parents. Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Crazy, right? So I deleted it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you thought it was a scam questions, No way, dude,

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Speaker 2: I would think it's a.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you can tell if you're related, dear. Well,

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Speaker 6: I mean if you do a DNA test.

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Speaker 2: I mean you can do those tests, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are finding out stuff like like, oh, that's

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Speaker 2: not really my dad is usually how it goes down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: typically you know who your mom is, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: kind of makes more sense.

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Speaker 4: She sent me another message and she's like, this is

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Speaker 4: not a scam. So I hit up my parents and

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Speaker 4: I was like, Mom, duy, can you tell me about this?

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Speaker 2: And they well, that's what happens with swap babies.

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Speaker 6: The parents don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's the big like to do about it, right, It's

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Speaker 2: like back in the day they'd take the babies into

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Speaker 2: a room. Now, you're never separated from your baby after

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Speaker 2: you give birth, really, unless you ask them to take

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Speaker 3: So your parents, who raised you, they didn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: They thought it was a scam too, like some elaborate

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So wait, did you go to Aspen's page?

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Speaker 6: Could you see any resemblance?

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Speaker 4: Well, so she sent me some pictures and what's weird

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Speaker 4: as the photos looked exactly like me of her parents.

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Speaker 5: Wait what, oh you look like her parents?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I faintly wrote back here and I was like,

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Speaker 4: how do you know all this information?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And what else can you tell me?

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Speaker 6: What else can you tell me? Okay? What she say?

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Speaker 4: Her last message was something totally mysterious. She thinks her

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Speaker 4: mom and dad might know about it, but they're so

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Speaker 4: mad at me for bringing up they won't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so she's saying she actually doesn't even know all

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Speaker 2: the details. She just knows that their family all knows.

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Speaker 2: It's like some big family secret and they don't want

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she might have gotten in trouble for

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Speaker 5: Oh so the fact that they don't want any information

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Speaker 5: or hey, drop it like that makes it sound like

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Speaker 5: it is LEGiT's self asking questions like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess like if you have an adult child, right,

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Speaker 2: you've raiseden your whole life and then you just then

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Speaker 2: find out that they were swapped at birth, It's like, I.

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Speaker 5: Know you're twenty three, but we're sending.

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Speaker 3: You back to the office.

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Speaker 6: Switch.

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Speaker 3: What's that saying? Like, you know, not knowing is bliss,

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Speaker 3: ignorance is ignorances. Maybe that was their stance on it,

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Speaker 3: But like, how.

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Speaker 6: Are you feeling?

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of freaked out, to be honest, Like,

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Speaker 1: But oh yeah, and how long has this been going on?

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Speaker 1: You with the back and forth with this girl?

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Speaker 4: This happened four years ago?

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Speaker 6: Oh four years ago? Wait, you've been sitting on this

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Speaker 3: Did you get DNA tested with your parents?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: But I think I found my mom on Facebook, but

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Speaker 4: she wouldn't respond.

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Speaker 6: Wait, you're already calling her my mom?

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Speaker 3: Wow? What should she call her?

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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 6: The woman?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what her name is, but like, no,

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Speaker 2: you know that one for a fact, and too, like

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Speaker 2: your mom is still your mom?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be like a whole identity crisis because

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Speaker 1: And so your biological mom wasn't responding to your messages,

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Speaker 1: and that's when you reached out to us.

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Speaker 4: Right, my supposed biological mom that looks like me.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, is that the case? Wait? Is that

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Speaker 6: who you wrote with our producer? You wrote the biological

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Speaker 6: mom with the questions? Right?

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Speaker 1: She actually emailed us about a year ago, it turns out,

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Speaker 1: and our producer has been working on this every single week,

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Speaker 6: Order to respond.

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Speaker 1: Marissa, you know that we wouldn't have you on the

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Speaker 6: She finally answered after a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she said stop contacting. We got her responses back

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Speaker 3: a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, Wait, asthmen, are you sitting down. Are

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Speaker 6: you in a safe place? Sorry, I mean Marissa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe you should lie down for this one

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Speaker 1: because it could get kind of emotional. But we can

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Speaker 1: help give you some finality when we do your closure

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Speaker 1: call right after this.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, so hold on.

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Speaker 6: Brook and Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 1: This could be such an emotional closure call. I think

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Speaker 1: we need to have some sad piano music for it.

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Speaker 3: No, wait, no.

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Speaker 1: I said, I said sad piano, not bad piano.

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Speaker 6: I see the mix up.

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Speaker 3: This is why I have to listen to the music

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Speaker 3: ahead of time. Stop this. Yeah, let me let me

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Speaker 3: get some sad piano music.

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Speaker 2: This is not.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of impressive, but it doesn't fit. The tone

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's sad like emotional music.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's not. I know.

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Speaker 6: I want to go back to the happy one.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about swapped at birth because it just doesn't

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Speaker 6: Frustration. You're frustrated at the music, Yeah I'm not, but.

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Speaker 1: Swapped at birth this is something that you don't hear

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Speaker 1: about much anymore, thankfully, because the hospitals are better not

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Speaker 1: doing it but thirty years ago.

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Speaker 6: Or they're better at hiding it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's the case. Thirty years ago, though it

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Speaker 1: did happen to one of our listeners, Marissa No. You

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Speaker 1: got a random message on her socials from a girl

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Speaker 1: named Aspen claiming to be her swap sister, saying they

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Speaker 1: were accidentally swapped at the hospital and they've been raised

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Speaker 1: by each other's parents for years, which.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I wouldn't google search the term swap sister.

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Speaker 2: I just think that you're gonna end up Sah, you

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Speaker 3: It's not an official term. Aspen came up with it.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, the details about it were a

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Speaker 1: little bit sketchy and there was some hesitation to answer everything.

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Speaker 1: That's why a year ago Marissa reached out to us,

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Speaker 1: asking if we could contact her biological mom for her

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Speaker 3: I usually if you hit us.

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Speaker 5: Up a year in advance, we don't get to it

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Speaker 3: Been working on this a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're running out of time thanks to all the

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Speaker 1: bad piano music, so we better just get to it.

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Speaker 1: We sent four questions to Marissa's mom, Marissa, are.

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Speaker 3: You ready to hear some answers?

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Speaker 5: To this.

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Speaker 3: I know you've been waiting a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, what musical track do you want him to

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Speaker 6: Can you start crying? I'm joking. I'm joking, Marissa.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is crazy because I mean you're going

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Speaker 2: to finally, no, hopefully you're going to hear from the mom.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean this has been a time coming

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Speaker 4: just seeing some of these answers I've been looking for.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just been such a mystery.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the first one, and this is going

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Speaker 1: to be the first time I've read the answers to

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Speaker 1: I was just handed the sheet with what she.

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Speaker 3: Wrote back, you needed to preread them, Jeff, so that

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Speaker 3: you were crying. Pro went through all this. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I needed to focus on the piano music.

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Speaker 2: You focus harder so it would have gone better.

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Speaker 1: But sure, question one, we said your daughter Aspen reached

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Speaker 1: out to me years ago telling me you were my

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Speaker 1: real biological mom. Right.

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Speaker 3: Is this true? So she wrote back, Oh.

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Speaker 6: My gosh, are you ready for this?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 1: Okay, because if you said no, we would have had

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Speaker 1: to stop the segment, and that would have been really annoying,

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Speaker 1: but she wrote back, it is true, but Aspen didn't

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 6: I need to call Wait, I'm confused.

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Speaker 3: I'm confused.

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Speaker 6: So she faked?

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Speaker 1: She says, I made up a fake Facebook account for

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Speaker 1: her because I was too ashamed to speak directly to you.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: So is Aspen the girl that you were really swapped?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mearissa?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Are you okay?

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Speaker 3: Do you have all the answers you need or would

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Speaker 6: Hey? Check on her? She sounds upset.

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Speaker 4: Okay, No, it's it's just shocking. It's amazing and shocking.

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Speaker 4: And I can't thank you guys enough for reaching out

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Speaker 2: But I mean it's not Wait, so you just leave

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I really don't know what to believe.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm really curious to know what she says next.

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Speaker 3: You almost wanted to be real.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to the second question, which was tell

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Speaker 1: me what you know about me getting swapped at birth?

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Speaker 1: How did you find out about that? She wrote back, Well, honestly,

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Speaker 1: when I reached out four years ago, I made it up?

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Speaker 6: Oh what wait, she says, who is she?

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Speaker 1: Then? I knew I wanted to speak with you, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do it without making it

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Speaker 1: is I gave you up for adoption at birth.

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Speaker 3: Oh the question, she said, I'm sorry again?

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Speaker 1: Whoa?

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Speaker 5: So she still is your mom, but it wasn't a.

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Speaker 3: Swap again, so she was ashamed to admit the truth.

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Speaker 2: Did you know you were adopted by your by your mom, your.

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Speaker 3: Par Maybe the parents didn't know that they adopted her.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely could be in the dark, but the mom

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Speaker 3: Yeff.

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Speaker 2: But why would your parents not come clean with you

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Speaker 2: when you approach them about being swapped at birth? They

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it was just too much

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Speaker 4: Fuck thing.

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Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of text in at seventy five

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Speaker 1: nine to two from listeners who are supporting you, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Marisa, so.

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Speaker 3: Keep those coming.

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Speaker 1: We're going to forward those to her after the segment

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Speaker 1: so that she could read them all. But this is

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Speaker 1: the third question was, how do I know this is

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Speaker 1: both shocked and know nothing about it. Do you have

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Speaker 6: That's still a valid question, I mean valid questions.

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Speaker 2: Still we're talking right to like what if this is

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Speaker 4: Uh what did she say?

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Speaker 1: She wrote back, there are birth records that I had you,

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Speaker 1: I've shown you in the pictures I sent. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure I'm ready for a DNA test, but it would also.

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Speaker 3: Prove it as well.

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Speaker 1: Huh, I'm sorry, lady. She keeps saying I'm sorry at

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Speaker 6: But she shouldn't feel bad.

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Speaker 2: You have a great life, like I mean, if she

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Speaker 4: I don't understand. So that means my parents are lying

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Speaker 4: or something, or she's lying.

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Speaker 1: Maybe trying to protect you. One party is trying to

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Speaker 1: We like to leave it kind of open in general

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Speaker 2: Well, thank god we did, since we didn't know what

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Speaker 2: the hell was going on?

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Speaker 3: Was taking a turn. But your mom wrote back.

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Speaker 1: She said, there is obviously a lot to tell you,

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Speaker 4: I guess I just needs some time to think about it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm curious too, but I have so many

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Speaker 4: unanswered questions at this moment, even for my parents to

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Speaker 2: You know, I know it feels like you have a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like who's your dad? Then too? Like there's so

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Speaker 6: many up.

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Speaker 1: But this is a woman who, like we've tried to

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Speaker 1: We don't know if any of this is actually true,

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. I would come in super guarded. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like I said, somebody's lying to you, my instinct would

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Speaker 2: you would trust your parents more.

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Speaker 1: You need to bring your current parents with the biological

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I haven't really got it.

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Speaker 3: Go get it. We'll wait. Maybe you come back with

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Speaker 1: I know this is a lot of information that was

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Speaker 1: But do you feel like maybe it helped get you

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Speaker 4: I feeling a lot more questions, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I was thinking opens everything up, doesn't

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Speaker 1: We'll stay in touch with you and hopefully we can

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Speaker 1: if she is your biological mom.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, thank you guys.

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Speaker 6: All right, I just want to give you a hug

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Speaker 3: Give me some happy piano music to play us out please.

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Speaker 3: Okay it's kind of tense. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: That was a that's dramatic, successful closure, successful at all.

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Speaker 2: All right, well it was a closure call, yeah, with

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Speaker 1: It's Brook and Jeffrey the other one in the morning.

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Speaker 1: That's what you get when you email us for help.

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Speaker 2: Brooken Jeffrey in the morning.