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Speaker 1: my name is Jason concepzi Owe, and welcome to x

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Speaker 1: find in She Hulk. It's a great Rosie night, Rosie Howard.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's nice to be here. Yeah, I'm excited. This

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's dive into She Hulk Episode three,

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Speaker 1: The People Versus Emil Blonsky, written by Francesca Giles and

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep the recap very short because it's

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Walters defends Emil Blonsky in his parole hearing and

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Speaker 1: Wong hilariously numerous different ways. And in RB story, Pug

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Speaker 1: takes on Dennis Dickhead. Dennis Bukowski's case of fraud against Runa.

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Speaker 1: The light Elf from Asgard lightoutstare actually from Alzheim in

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Speaker 1: And apparently Dennis was taken in by Runo, who was

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Speaker 1: is a super Man. This show continues to be great,

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Speaker 1: continues to be really really good. Let's first talk about

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Speaker 1: the apperiods of Wong, who, hilariously Jen tells us, listen,

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Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, Bruce, yea long and She's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: say I love your theory. I love that it be

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Speaker 1: a great subversion for it to be doctor Franklin who

433
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: is the actual person behind this, because it's like, where

434
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: did they although they did, although Thunderball, this version of

435
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: thunder Ball does kind of admit that they ripped off

436
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: in as Guardian Contruction, which I think it was like

437
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: very funny and love.

438
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Speaker 2: I kind of love the way that they're building this

439
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: into this kind of like space of Asgard is really

440
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: now like the first superpower that's publicly living among us

441
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: with new Asgard. So of course you'd have some people

442
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: who ripped off like an as Guardian Construction company in

443
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: my head canon, you know, is that maybe just something

444
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: that doctor Elliot Franklin, the real Thunderball told them when

445
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: he gave them this, because he didn't want them to know.

446
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 2: But I did love. I loved the way that they

447
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: bought these powers to life. Like when I saw a

448
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: record walking with the Enchanted Crobat, I was like, oh

449
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: my god, this is so called the helmet that was

450
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: like little hands. They just did such a fun, good job,

451
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: and also you know what, it's nice, it's kind of

452
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: fun to see street level heroes going against street level villains.

453
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: That like makes sense, and we don't often get to

454
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: see it. Like if you think about poor Peter Parker

455
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: the Bay in her he's going against like someone with

456
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: crazy tech who's like got wings and all this, like

457
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 2: you know, vultures, like a pre epic villain. So it's

458
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: kind of nice to just see Sheeholk, who just got

459
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: her powers, dealing just trying to live her life, dealing

460
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: with some kind of bumbling people who ripped off a

461
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Speaker 2: construction site. As Guardians zooming out, we know that.

462
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Speaker 1: Armor Wars is going to be a response to the

463
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Speaker 1: fact that Stark Tech has gotten out into the world

464
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Speaker 1: and other people are using Stark Tech. We've seen already that,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, the Vulture's crew in the Spider Man movies

466
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Speaker 1: was taking you know, Chatari discarded Chatari tech, and street

467
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Speaker 1: level criminals were coming into possession of that material and

468
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: we're able to rob banks, rob ATMs and do really

469
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: destructive shit with it. And now we see that as

470
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Speaker 1: Guardian powered stuff is getting out into the world. This,

471
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: I agree with you, is really cool. It adds to

472
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Speaker 1: the whole texture of the TV and film version of

473
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Speaker 1: the MCU, which is again very much like the comics

474
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: where how many comics issues, all of them basically open

475
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Speaker 1: with an action scene in which some street level like

476
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: criminal group who have found some kind of technology are

477
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Speaker 1: like robbing a bank that needs to be stopped by

478
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Speaker 1: Spider Man or Darren will or whoever. So this is

479
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: very much this is so comics accurate. It's actually really

480
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: fun and that.

481
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: But I.

482
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Speaker 1: We've talked about siege here lots of times, and it

483
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Speaker 1: feels like if more of this as Guardian stuff is

484
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Speaker 1: getting out into the world and criminals are getting whole,

485
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: at some point there's going to be a reaction, probably

486
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Speaker 1: led by figures in the DDC and others who are like, Okay,

487
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: we need to clamp down on Asgard because they're they're weapons,

488
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: their construction equipment. They are getting out into the world,

489
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: and now criminals are robbing banks and stuff with them

490
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: and attacking regular citizens who are just coming home from

491
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: winning parole hearings for the abomination, Like you have to

492
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: do something, yeah, just normal citizens, normally normal stuff. You

493
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: know what.

494
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Speaker 2: I really love that because I think what we're starting

495
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: to see here as well, and this goes back to

496
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: something we've been talking about for a long time, how

497
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: do you introduce the X Men. Yes, it always goes

498
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: back to the X Men, But like, I think that

499
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: you're right. You start laying the groundwork where it's not

500
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: about it's not just mutants that people are scared of.

501
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: It's powered people. It's people even it's people with the

502
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: tech of as Guardians, it's even just people with Stark

503
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: tech because those things are connected inherently to superhero So

504
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: you start things with Siege or Armor Wars where you

505
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: start to see this backlash against that technology, against people

506
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: who hold these kind of supernatural powers, and that starts

507
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: to set the groundwork for that huge wave of anti

508
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: powered people, anti mutant feeling that is going to become

509
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: really key to the MCU.

510
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: I think that I think that we're going to go

511
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: there at some point. Right, it feels like at some point, really,

512
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's the Kntessa or someone or's like

513
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: Norman Osborne or whoever, is going to rise to power

514
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: on a platform of we got to do something about

515
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: these powered people. And that means asgard, that means oh, whoever, you're.

516
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: So smart, Because the truth is, it would make so

517
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: much sense if it's the Contessa because then she can

518
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: be like, well, guess what, we need to do something

519
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: about them, And I have this team right here.

520
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: That can deck can do that, but.

521
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: You know, made up of old soldiers, made up of

522
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: you need to think about it.

523
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: We need our Avengers think about it, Nick Fury's Avengers.

524
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Think about it. So I've been thinking about this a

525
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: lot because of the sad passing of William Hurt, you

526
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: know that. But I think there's a version where they

527
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: could basically use the memory of Thunderbolt Ross to be

528
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: like a justification for the Thunderbolts, like he started this

529
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: with you know Abomination, who's now on our team as

530
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 2: our hulk. And because of that, we're going with soldiers.

531
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Speaker 2: This is a team of American you know soldiers, and

532
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: you have but it's funny because Tim Ross English, then

533
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: you have Yelena who was also a soldier in follow

534
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: Orders Orders, and then obviously US agents. So I think

535
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: we could see something where they kind of pose this

536
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: team as in memoriam team for Thunderbolt Ross and it's

537
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: just like their soldiers super soldiers. But the truth is

538
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: also could be interesting to see whether they would bring

539
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Bucky in there. Because there was a very popular Super Soul,

540
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: there was a very popular Thunderbolts team that was like

541
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Speaker 2: a relaunch that had Bucky as part of the team.

542
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: So I'll be interested to see because I think there's

543
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Speaker 2: something there where they sort of turn that militarized aspect

544
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: of the MCU into the more anti heroic, like villainous

545
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: aspect where it's like, this is what happens when the

546
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: government has a team and then you have more of

547
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: your magical character as an interdimensional characters who have to

548
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: stay being the heroes for like the people.

549
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Speaker 1: I love that, and I I think that I would

550
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: not be surprised if that's where eventually we're heading. Probably

551
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: a little while for now, but you know, it feels

552
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: like that's how a Thunderbolts team would come to pass. Well, Yeah,

553
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: this is a super fun show. This is I think

554
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: it's so fun up there with Loki and Wana Vision.

555
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: It's great. It's really great. It's just a great half

556
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: hour of superhero fun.

557
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just what more can you want? Then, just

558
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: like as a Marvel fan to just be watching a

559
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: show and they're like, here's Megan the Stallion, but also

560
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: here's the Wrecking Crew. And also here's like some credits

561
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: that reference multiple comic book issues, and there's kind of

562
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: this creeping funny appearances of Titania but only on like

563
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: news bits. So I think that's the big When is

564
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 2: she coming back? When will we see the impact of Titania?

565
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: Because she's around and she's threatening legal action, but we

566
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: haven't seen her since that first episode.

567
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: And of course Matt Murdoch still waiting in the wings.

568
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: We're ready to see him. I'm ready to see him.

569
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm ready for the boy to be back. I mean God,

570
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: when that episode comes out, the Internet is just gonna lose.

571
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: It and I cannot wait. All right. Up next, House

572
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: of the Dragon. House of the Dragon, episode two, The

573
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: Rogue Prints, written by Ryan Condall, directed by Greg Ytani's.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: First of all, we open with the original theme song,

576
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: fucking great decision here.

577
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: Correct choice like correct that voice theme gets people as

578
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: hyped up as like the Power Rangers theme did for

579
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: nineties kids like it really is the adult like oh shit? Theme?

580
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: So is the right choice? Absolutely ties back in to

581
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: this world that we know makes absolute sense. Hard to

582
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: really top it. Great choice. I thought this was really

583
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: cool and I love the choice They made for what

584
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: the infographic is too.

585
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: That's right, so don't overthink it. We get the original

586
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: theme song under the brand new intrographic that shows us

587
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: a blood filled Targerian family tree with blood connecting all

588
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: the different family nodes and branches on the tree. I

589
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: think it's really cool.

590
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really cool. I love how it kind

591
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: of ties into Visarah's little like miniature obsession and the

592
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: kind of legacy and the legacy. I just yeah, tonally,

593
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: I just feel like them making so many good choices

594
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Speaker 2: this with this, I'm excited.

595
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: We open on the Stepstones, where Kragas Drejarika, the crab

596
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: feeder is feeding the crabs. Folks. He is living up

597
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: to the namesake. Crabs are swarming the beach, devouring the

598
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: bodies of the dead and the not quite dead yet

599
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: as the Triarchies war against Narrow Sea Pirates in their

600
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: bid to take over the Stepstones continues apace. We go

601
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Speaker 1: to the Red Keep Kings, landing the small council chamber,

602
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: and we announced rip the passing of Sir Ryan red Wine,

603
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: Lord Commander of the King's Guard. We never you were

604
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: in one, maybe a couple, maybe two very very quick

605
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: shots in the first episode. But rip ry, we knew

606
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: gterally barely knew you folks. This of course opens a

607
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: slot on the legendary squad of super virgin unmarried nights.

608
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: Not some of them obviously come to the brotherhood after

609
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: they have lost their rigidity. That being said, unmarried knights.

610
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Sir Harold Westerling, who we've seen of late assigned to

611
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Princess Rania, is the new Lord Commander, and he has

612
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: invited a number of candidates to court for auditions. Enter

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Speaker 1: Master of Ships, Corliss Valerian to the small Council chamber.

614
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: And Corlis is hot because he's hot, hot, hot, because listen,

615
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: the Triarchy's forces, led by the crab Feeder, they continue

616
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: to make inroads on the stepstones. And now he's lost

617
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: four of the realms ships, including ships of his own fleet.

618
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: And you know he doesn't say this now, but this

619
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: is also hurting the trade upon which his personal house depends.

620
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: And we've got to do something or else the realm

621
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Speaker 1: is gonna seem weak. You know what are we gonna do?

622
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: We have to invade kingss Saras. We should go to

623
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: the stepstones right now and inject the crab feeder. Visaras

624
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that, does not want war with

625
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: the triarchy right now, the triarchy is an alliance with

626
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: the free series of mere Lise and Tyrosh because I

627
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: guess that would be destructive and expensive. And Master of

628
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: Coin Limon Beesberry points out, yeah, we you know, we

629
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Speaker 1: don't even spending this money right now. Corlis is like,

630
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna do this. We're not going to

631
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: do anything, and people are gonna think we're weak. Damon

632
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: Targarian sees Dragonstone has been hanging out there with his

633
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: gold cloaks rent free for six months and we're just

634
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: not going to do anything. Idle High Tower hand of

635
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: the King is like, hey, why don't you cool your jets? Corlis,

636
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: and Visaras also says, hey, listen, I send some emails

637
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: to Pentos and Volantes to see if maybe they could,

638
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, do something and try to rain in the

639
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: triarchy a little bit. So let's wait to hear back

640
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: from them, and let's chill out. Raniera, of course, uh

641
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: recently named Crown Princess but also still fulfilling her duties

642
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: as cupbearer in the Small Council Chamber. Uh listens to

643
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: all this and then puts her two cents in. We've

644
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of dragons, nobody else has them. Why

645
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: don't you send us I, E, me and whoever else

646
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: out there? Ships are made of wood, right, and let's

647
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: take care of business.

648
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: Correct. I love this episode for Raniera so much, like

649
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: the character arc that we get here, and just the

650
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: hints of like the power that she could wield, are

651
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: so good and she is.

652
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Not wrong, like she is not wrong. I will say

653
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: it's a great episode for both Raniera and Alison, because Alison, Man,

654
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: we'll get to this, but Alison has Raniera's fucking back.

655
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: She really does like it as as bad as the

656
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: position that Otto put her in is with the king

657
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: and having keep that secret, she is Rnier's biggest supporter.

658
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, I would actually say I'm very interested and happy.

659
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: I feel like book Allison does not have this much

660
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: empathy or compassion or or complex kind of character building,

661
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: and it's been really incredible to see what they've been

662
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: able to do with these two characters in just a

663
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: couple of episodes to build that. Because Alison is in

664
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: a terrible position and Alison knows what has to be done.

665
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: But Alison does have Ranera's back, and you can feel

666
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: the depth of connection and friendship and maybe more that

667
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: is between the two of them, and it is so powerful.

668
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: It's a great point because a book Alison. Now, we

669
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: should remember that the book versions of these stories there

670
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: sells to Novella's and the Fire and Blood are written,

671
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, from the perspective of unreliable narrators, unreliable historians,

672
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: some of whom may not have even been around for

673
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the actual events. And so take this with a grain

674
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: of salt. But Alison is is shown as just as conniving,

675
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: as auto, certainly ambitious, and very very aware of the

676
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: moves that she is making in the books. Very very

677
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: different here. Okay, Corlis loves the idea of sending the

678
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: dragons it. He loves this otto, of course does it.

679
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: Visaras is like, okay, enough piping up for today. Why

680
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: don't you go off with Sir Harold and go see

681
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: about the new King's Guard hopefuls. And there are several contestants,

682
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: but their resumes are like I killed a starving dude

683
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: who was hunting for deer in the Kingswoods illegally. Okay,

684
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: big deal. Wow, Yeah, a.

685
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: Bunch of noble sockers. Basically, Oh, I want to tournament.

686
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah I should. I should be the King's bodyguard. Otto

687
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: and Princess Rainie, the Queen that Never was, are are

688
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: looking on. They're very interested, of course, in Princess Rania's

689
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: governing style as it develops. They want to see what

690
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: this young crown princess is made of. Raniera wisely is

691
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: thinking we need somebody. We need somebody with actual combat experience,

692
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: not just like I killed a starving guy in the woods,

693
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, like because this is this is one of

694
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: the most sensitive jobs in the realm. Well, guess what,

695
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Sir Kristen Cole fits the bill. We watched him whoop

696
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Damon's ass. He's a good looking, good looking gentleman. He

697
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: is the natural son, you know, meaning a son born

698
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: out of wedlock, saying that in a nice way. Of

699
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: the Steward of black Haven, seat of Lord Don Darien,

700
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: the ancestor of Lord Brick Dundarian, who we remember from

701
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones is the guy who held the Flaming

702
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: Sword and who the Lord of Light resurrected time and

703
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: time again. The Dundarians of Blackhn are one of the

704
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: families of the Dornois Marches and the Stormlands. The Dornish

705
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: Marches are the border area of the storm Lands where

706
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: incursions from Dornish forces incursions from forces of the Reach

707
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: are constantly an issue, and so these families are very influential,

708
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: much more influential than normal vassal families of a particular

709
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: region are. And their castles are really really strong, and

710
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: they are great soldiers because they're fighting all the time.

711
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Here's where we learn that Cole, if this was in

712
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: any way confusing after episode one, his biography in the

713
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: show is exactly as it is in the books, except

714
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: for the fact that we learned that his mom is Dornish,

715
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: so is not directly from dorn is half Dornish, half

716
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: from the Stormlands. And it's great that the features that

717
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: they recognized are he's a he's a good looking brunette.

718
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: He's a handsome Yeah, he's a handsome guy with the

719
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: brad hair. Yeah, Princess Rania chooses Sir Cole. It's honestly

720
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: an easy choice.

721
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the right choice.

722
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: Very it's the right choice. He bested Damon, who's one

723
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: of the best knights in the Roman. Damon was using

724
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: dark sister like, so let's choose this guy. I was like, oh,

725
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: who whoa, wha, whoa whoa who what what about?

726
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: You know?

727
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: These other knights are from very important families. We can't

728
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: just spurn them. And the Princess is like, well, Sir

729
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Christen's an actual soldier. So he's in and auto backs down. Later,

730
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: King saras Uh is with Alison. He is pointing out

731
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: the different features of his lovingly assembled model. We learned

732
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that the Stonemasons actually make the pieces. He just provides

733
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the the Blue Prince essentially, and he's giving a little

734
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: old Valario lesson to Alis at a high tower. Who's

735
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: looks seems as if she's been hanging around a lot.

736
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks very comfortable there. Looks like they're having

737
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: a nice little convo. She's wearing another pretty dress, just

738
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: having a pretty chat.

739
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: He is telling her, you know, some little factoids about Valaria,

740
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: about how the city was built into the side of

741
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: a volcano, about how the dragon lords lived close to

742
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: the source of the flames of the volcanoes, and talks

743
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: about the Blood Majores, shows the building where the Blood

744
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Majors worked, and mentions that the Freehold at its height,

745
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: had over a thousand dragons and a navy capable of

746
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: projecting its power anywhere in the world. Allison is like, Wow,

747
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: this is amazing. You're grace, this is so cool. The

748
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: King drops a one of his little sculptures of little

749
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: dragon sculpture and it breaks foreshadowing much.

750
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: There's lots of good foreshadowing moments in this and Listen

751
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: is like, they do such a good job in this

752
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: scene where it's like she asks enough questions that you

753
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: think she's probably interested or is she just seeming interested?

754
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: It's it's so well done. But yeah, that dragon showering

755
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: doesn't look good for the talk area the old dogs. Uh.

756
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: King Vissara's acts asks about Raniera, who he knows Allison

757
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: is very good friends with. He and Raniera haven't been

758
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: speaking since Queen Emma, Raniera's mother died. Alison just like,

759
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: why don't you here's a crazy notion, King, why don't

760
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: you just talk to her. You're the king. You are

761
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: the king. Invite her up here to talk. She has

762
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: to come, and the King is like, that's an interesting idea. Also,

763
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: don't tell her that we've been spending like a lot

764
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: of time together alone in my chambers, don't do that,

765
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: which probably a good idea, but also not a not

766
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: a sustainable sustainable plan.

767
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: Also another great moment with Alison here where when he asks,

768
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: she just looks so fucking gutted, like she knows this

769
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: so it has to be done, and she understands the

770
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: role that she's playing, but she feels so clearly uncomfortable

771
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: with the fact that this that finally the thing that

772
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: has not been set up until this point has now

773
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: been said. This is a secret. She wouldn't like it,

774
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: and you know why.

775
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Later in what I think is one of my favorite

776
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: scenes in this episode, maybe my favorite scene in this episode,

777
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: we go to the Grand Sept, which is the sept,

778
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: the previous sept before the Great Scept of Baylor was built,

779
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: so this was the original sept built on Visenya's Hill.

780
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Alice and Rania are and are strolling the Grand Scept

781
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: and they're talking about King Vasaris. Raniera is still still

782
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: working through the fact that she has been named Air.

783
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: She's feeling maybe not up to it, maybe that the

784
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: king did so for reasons that are not just about

785
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: that he thinks she can do it. She thinks maybe

786
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: her father named her air more to spurn Damon than

787
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: to elevate herself. Alison and Princess Araniera Neil and Alison

788
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: begins talking about her mom, who passed away, of course,

789
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: and unidentified in the books and unidentified thus far in

790
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: the show as well in the sap under the Statue

791
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: of the Mother. It's a great, great little touch here

792
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Allison talks about how she feels closer to her dead mother,

793
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: and she's openly wondering like if Raniera might find the

794
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: same kind of relief here after the death of her

795
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: own mother, Queen Emma. And it is a really really

796
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: touching moment. Riner breaks down and is saying, you know,

797
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I want them to see me as more than this

798
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: little girl. And it's just like we were saying, it

799
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: is a wonderful example of their bond and their friendship

800
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: and the lengths that despite the fact that Otto is

801
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: actively pitting Allison against Raniera, against Visas' direct wishes about

802
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: who the who the Ara is going to be, Alison

803
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: is still just an incredible supporter and friends.

804
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: And she and she even in that moment, like in

805
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: the scene she encourages it's like she knows she can't

806
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: tell Renera, so she encourages Ranera to actually talk to Versarah.

807
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Because she wants her to know.

808
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: It's like, even in that moment, that's not her manipulating her,

809
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: that's her being like, please talk to your dad so

810
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: you two can fucking so I don't have to hide

811
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: this anymore. And these two actors are just so unbelievably brilliant.

812
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I just really good.

813
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to see them come back, because, like

814
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: I was saying before that, like it's Millie Alcock who

815
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: plays Princess Rnera, and Emily Carey who plays Alison. They're

816
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: so good, like I am.

817
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: Chemistry is great.

818
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 2: I love Olivia Cook. I'm like Olivia Cook Superstan. I'll

819
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: watch her thing.

820
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I love.

821
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: Thoroughbreds is like one of my favorite movies. I just

822
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: think she's so brilliant. But after episode one, I didn't

823
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: want to depart from this era of these two characters

824
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: and these actors because they bring so much gravitas and

825
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: love and friendship and history just in these two episodes.

826
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: It's quite wonderful. Actually, I feel like so many people

827
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: brought up quite a lot in Game of Phones fairly,

828
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: and it's like there wasn't a lot of like in

829
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: depth female friendship. There wasn't really a lot of time

830
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: for it, you know, that wasn't the relationships that were

831
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: kind of focused on, and when there was, it could

832
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: often end in betraying exactly, and even a stream that

833
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: was dynamic and yeah, and it was more focused on

834
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: like one of their fates over the other or you know,

835
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Danny and uh and the woman who taught her how

836
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: to like please people, but that ended up in betrayal.

837
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, it's I just feel like this is

838
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: a really interesting character focus take on this world, and

839
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 2: these two are especially kind of coming out really really

840
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: strong in building why this is so important, and.

841
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't think it's I don't think

842
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: you have to be like a prophet to see where

843
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: this is all heading. And it makes it even more

844
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to see how hard Allison is really trying. Yeah,

845
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: she Alison is really really trying to make this one.

846
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: She's just like us. She can She has the dramatic

847
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: irony of knowing exactly where this is going even when

848
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: Ranera doesn't, and she is putting in the work to

849
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: try and make it so it could be something good

850
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: for everyone, even though we know that that is just

851
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: not how this stuff goes.

852
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: In the royal gardens, King Vissara's has a private audience

853
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: with Correlis Valarion and Rainiese Valarion, his cousin, the Queen

854
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: that never was, and the king apologizes for the little

855
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: argument in the small council room, and it's like, Renie,

856
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: you know you're my favorite cousin. And and you know

857
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: to Targarian's Valarians, we're in this together, right, you know,

858
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: it's the two houses of old Valeria. It's us baby.

859
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: And then Corliss an admiral. You know this is again,

860
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: this is a person used to being in command. He

861
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: just gets right to the point. He says, I fear

862
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: the eyes of our enemies are currently fixed on the

863
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: red Keep. And then he goes on to say, listen,

864
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: the queen has passed away. A princess is the heir

865
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: for the first time in the history of the Targerian

866
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: rule in Westrus. This is bucking over a century of

867
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: established practice. Damon, your brother is squatting on dragonstone without

868
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: your leave. We've got invaders from Essos establishing a foothold

869
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: on the stepstones. And Corlis proposes the following to kind

870
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: of shore up the strength of the realm. Let's get married.

871
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you, King Vassaris, marry my twelve year

872
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: old daughter, a Valerian, and let's unite these two surviving

873
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: great houses of Valarian lineage. What do you say you

874
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: can show the realm. The Crown's greatest days are ahead,

875
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: he says, and the King is like, okay, let me

876
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: think about this later. The King and Raniera finally have

877
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: dinner together and it is awkward. It's really there's a

878
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, and it's it's awkward. The King,

879
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: very haltingly, with a lot of emotion, talks about Queen Emma,

880
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: his wife that has passed Ranier his mother. The princess

881
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: brings up, clearly wanting to score some points with her

882
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: dad about like how you know she's able to kind

883
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: of take on some responsibility. Here brings up the experience

884
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: with choosing Sir Christen the for to be the newest

885
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: member of the King's guard. And then the princess apologizes for,

886
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, speaking out of turn at the small council meeting.

887
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: It's all in all baby steps towards some kind of approachment. Meanwhile,

888
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: we're seeing that King Vissaris is even more banged up

889
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: than the kind of back sores that we saw in

890
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: episode one. He's got an infected cut that on his back,

891
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: and now the cut on his hand from the end

892
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: of episode one when he gripped the throne really hard

893
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: while ordering damon it Exile has turned positively necrotic. The

894
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: small finger is straight up black. Grand Master Mellows prescribes

895
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: a tray of maggots, which is probably the best thing

896
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: that he's done thus far.

897
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: Grand sawest thing. They still use that nowadays, sometimes t

898
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: a n krog when it happens well done.

899
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Atto of course looks on with concern. He is, uh,

900
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, as we've been saying, very very attuned to

901
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: any kind of intimation that the throne is weak, that

902
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: the king is weak, that the realm is weak. And

903
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: he knows that if people are aware that the king

904
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: is getting cut by the eye iron throne, they could

905
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: take this as a sign that the throne is rejecting

906
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: him and that they don't and he doesn't want any

907
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: part of that, so he's very concerned.

908
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: Here.

909
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: The King tells his hand Otto that is not his

910
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: rotting hand about the meeting with Corlis and Raine and

911
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: the proposed marriage to Lena Otto, and this is amazing.

912
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: First of all, I was like, you should have discussed

913
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: this with a small council. He's like, you're here, Grandmaster

914
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Mellis is here. What do you think I'm fucking doing?

915
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is it.

916
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: Then Otto has the absolute gall after for six months

917
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: or more, strategically sending his daughter in her best gap,

918
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: in her mother's best gown. Then the king stresses into

919
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: the King's bedroom. Is all of a sudden like, oh,

920
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: she's Lena is very young, and gosh, I'd hate to

921
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: be in your position, King, where your wife has just died,

922
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have to think about

923
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: these things like taking on another wife. I'm sure that

924
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you should. You should just press pause on that. In fact,

925
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: why don't you just Allison just free if you'd like

926
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: to read you some history? It's Grandmaster Melos meanwhile, thinks

927
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: that this proposed Targerian Valerium marriage is actually a great idea.

928
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Otto is forced to admit that the reasoning behind it

929
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: is pretty sound. Lena's age aside. Otto's best weapon here

930
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: is the memory of his deceased wife, which he deploys

931
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: now in this very cynical way to to stir some

932
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: emotion in the king forger bond there saying, hey, I've

933
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: lost someone too, and I know what it's like, and

934
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: maybe you should just not marry. Lena Visari's and Leanna

935
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: go ferstroll under Corlis's very watchful gaze. They talk about dragons.

936
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: Lena asks about Valaria and the Black Dread, and people

937
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: have asked about this. Why does King Vassara's have a dragon?

938
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: He had Blarian, who was said to that point that

939
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: like the oldest living thing in the world, the last

940
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: living thing that actually saw old Hilaria. All the other

941
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: dragons that are around right now, Vagar et cetera were

942
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: born afterwards babies, uh, and and the king says, you know,

943
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: I wrote him for a little bit and then he died.

944
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, like once you ride Blarian and

945
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: then you become king.

946
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know why dragon riders are something else. You're

947
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: the king.

948
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: You don't need to do.

949
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to be, but then you don't

950
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: need to This is also like a really solid point

951
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: because something that this episode does really well is like

952
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: it starts to really see the groundwork for the fact

953
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: that like Visarah's like maybe not like the strongest candidate

954
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: for king, Like he doesn't really like to make a

955
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: tough choice. He doesn't The dragon rider thing is kind

956
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: of an interesting like what does it mean to be

957
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: a Tagarian? But like we see in this episode, he's

958
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: very easy manipulated. He already made a terrible choice in

959
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: the first episode about Queen Emma, even though we understood

960
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: where it came from, but even that didn't give him

961
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: the strength he wanted to. He's becoming weaker. He's kind

962
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: of otto is clearly really the puppet master, which is

963
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: very traditional Game of Thrones kind of thing. But I

964
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: think that's really interesting to have basically a twelve year

965
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: old be like, so, why don't you have a dragon?

966
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: The thing about Visa's too, is he is he's a

967
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: consensus builder, right, which if you have a small council

968
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: with no agendas, with no personal agendas, that's actually like

969
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: really good. He's a king, right, yeah, he has some

970
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: good qualities for a king. And also, you know it,

971
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: just from a purely logical standpoint, it actually doesn't make

972
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: sense to send the single most important person in the

973
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: realm on a dragon and a very dangerous, like mission

974
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: to go do battles and stuff a bunch of other dragons,

975
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of other warriors that could do that. At

976
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: the same time, you're exactly right in the fact that

977
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: King Vissera is kind of under because he is this

978
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: man of immense privilege. He doesn't quite grasp in the

979
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: way that Otto grasps the importance of symbolism and projecting

980
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: an image that people can rally around even if it's

981
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily true. And that's kind of that's his weakness.

982
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: He's a nice.

983
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: Guy, and he's a nice guy. And the thing is,

984
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: I like that point you make where he's like a

985
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: consensus builder in an idealistic world, right, that would be

986
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: a good place to be, where you could have a

987
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: small counsel that supports you. But then again, I feel

988
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: and the other thing I think is really interesting is

989
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: like he doesn't necessarily know how to make that it's

990
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: that privileging. He doesn't know how to make those concessions,

991
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: Like he should be more worried about the stepstones and

992
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: the crab feeder, but he doesn't want the conflict. He

993
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: wants not an easy life but a non you know,

994
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: bank drenching wall like that's understandable. But at the same time,

995
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: there are these little choices he's making where you just

996
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: know it's gonna come back and bite him yea, And

997
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: we see that happen very quickly.

998
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: This episode we have there's a good question about why

999
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: Visara's doesnt want to engage with the triarchy and ask

1000
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: the maser, so stay tuned for that. Leana Is asks,

1001
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: what about Vagar? Where's Vgaar? At Vagar was the amount

1002
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: of Queen Queen Visenya Targetian, sister of Queen Agon and

1003
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: Queen Rainia, the oldest and largest dragon of that particular time.

1004
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: We learned here that Vegar has been unaccounted for for

1005
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: some time and at editing rate, is too large to

1006
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, be be stabled in the dragon pit. Visara

1007
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: says that the dragon keepers think that Vegar is like

1008
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: somewhere on the narrow Sea coast, which thank you for

1009
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: narrowing it down, like like thousands of miles on the

1010
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: coast slide. But then Lena says, hey, you know, the

1011
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: workers of Spice Town, which is a town on drift

1012
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: mark of an important market town, says they say that

1013
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: they can hear Vigar's dragon songs and they sound very sad,

1014
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: and so this is a pretty strong clue that wherever

1015
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: Vigar is, it's close to Driftmark, the home base of

1016
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: House Hilarion. Lena then, in a very off putting moment

1017
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: that clearly her dad scripted out for her, says, hey,

1018
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: we should get married. I'll give you lots of kids

1019
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: and we don't have to do anything until I'm fourteen.

1020
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm twelve, and she's yikes, she.

1021
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: Looks so young the actresses. I know, twelve is young,

1022
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: but this is also like a very they made in twelve,

1023
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: so you really see the kind of horror of this

1024
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: notion of like a child bride. They do a sort

1025
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: of establishing.

1026
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: That, yes, this is what so I love Game of Thrones.

1027
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: There were obviously some sexual politics in there that I

1028
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: don't know tonally if it was always on the market,

1029
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: just not always on the mark. This show is doing

1030
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: something super interesting, which is they're just leaning into look

1031
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: how off putting in weirdness this is. This is not

1032
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: this is not good, this is icky. This makes you

1033
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: feel bad, and they're leaning into that with you know,

1034
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: the way they shot the two of them walking together

1035
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: to really bring out how.

1036
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: To Taddy is he he looks?

1037
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1038
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: I also think as well, like I love Patty Constantine,

1039
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: like I loved him ever since I saw Dead Man's Shoes,

1040
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: which is just such a brilliant movie, and like he's

1041
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: so good in this, but I also understand so much

1042
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 2: more why they cast him now, because like even next

1043
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: next to Leanna is obviously the most horrific kind of juxtaposition,

1044
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: but even those like scenes with Alison are like really

1045
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: putting when he's kind of like punched over and talking

1046
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: to her quiet lee, and you know, there's this kind

1047
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: of unspoken boundary. So I think you're right, because like

1048
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: there were characters who were meant to be teenagers in

1049
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones who they obviously cost older, so they

1050
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: could be like, oh but it's kind of hot though,

1051
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: you know, which is understandable kind of hard thing. But

1052
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: this is definitely going more for that historical horror, like

1053
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: what does it mean when a king, yeah this is

1054
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: marries a child? Yeah, very like we said, very Henry

1055
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: the Eighth, very medieval, very like abs real world inspirations.

1056
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: Rania watches this from nearby. Of course, Princess Rainie is

1057
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: also there, Corlis's wife and Renee is like this bothers you, huh,

1058
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: well pull up your crown princess pants, because this is

1059
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: how the world works, and she gives her that kind

1060
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: of like download of like, listen, sister, I've been through this,

1061
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: I've been around the block. I've seen how this works,

1062
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: and this is how it works. Uh, this is the

1063
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: order of things. Your dad is going to remarry, He's

1064
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: going to have kids and eventually a son, and that's

1065
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: who the realm will want to rule sister, and Rania,

1066
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: channeling her inner Denaris says, yeah, well, when I'm on

1067
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: the throne, they're gonna have to listen to me, and

1068
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm just going to reshape the way that this entire

1069
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: realm works. And Renie, in a really good comeback, is like, oh,

1070
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: it's do you tell them that when you're filling up

1071
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: their drinks in the small council chamber and then she says, quote,

1072
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: here is the hard truth which no one has the

1073
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: heart to tell you. Men would sooner put the realm

1074
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: to the torch than see a woman assend the iron throne.

1075
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: And your father is no fool, now, I this is

1076
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things to think about in

1077
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: this show. And even which is how I think Renie

1078
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: is right to a certain extent, Like there's a lot

1079
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: of very very influential and powerful people in this realm otto,

1080
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Hi Tower, Hello, who would rather go to war throwing

1081
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of lives into the fire rather than

1082
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: use that power and influence to understanding the reality that

1083
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: the realm is misogynistic? Try and change it, Try and

1084
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: move the mark, Maybe you can move the margins a

1085
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: little bit. Consensus, we've got some time, Visara's is alive still,

1086
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: and you've been able to do this, So why don't

1087
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: you use your power to do that? And in that

1088
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: way Renie is really right, is that they won't do that.

1089
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna choose to do the other thing.

1090
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: It's very interesting as well, because like it opens up

1091
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: the conversation of why that's kind of like these they

1092
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: want you to ask, like why would these men rather

1093
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: go to war and potentially die themselves or do these

1094
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: kind of dangerous machinations than just letting the right lag

1095
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 2: go to the throne when they're you know, when there

1096
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: is a dragon writer, she's very powerful. She probably it

1097
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: would be very easy to make her well liked. We've

1098
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: seen those kind of campaigns in Game of Thrones before

1099
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: she could become Princess of the People. But they don't

1100
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: want to do that because their entire power set and

1101
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: structure is based on the idea that they only have

1102
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: to compete against other men if they if they allow

1103
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: a woman to go onto the throne, that could change everything,

1104
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 2: and in their mind, the worst possible thing is that

1105
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 2: they could be treated like women.

1106
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: And let's and let's be clear, otto for all his

1107
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like real politique, kind of a

1108
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: lens about what the realm would accept, is also arguing

1109
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: for his daughter truly the queen, like it's not like

1110
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: some kind of selfless like, hey, I'm just a truth

1111
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: teller here. He is saying this so that while putting

1112
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: his daughter into the king's bedroom.

1113
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: Yea, and on her own throne. But the question is

1114
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: it's like the difference between being you know, a queen

1115
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: regent or a spouse or queen. You know, it's it's

1116
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: very it's very interesting because I feel like the first

1117
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: episode did a really good bait and switch where they

1118
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: essentially set him up as almost like a Ned Stark

1119
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: esque good man, and that kind of got a tease

1120
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the first episode that that wasn't

1121
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: the case. In this episode, you realize, yeah, that's not

1122
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: the case. And also like, as we're about to get

1123
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: into he's like pretty terrible at like politics and peacekeeping

1124
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: as well.

1125
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: Arguably, you know, he and Corliss remind me of Circe

1126
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: in a way in that Circe's moves, you know, Taiwin

1127
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: was like this master manipulator making moves behind the scenes

1128
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: that people never saw until it was way, way, way

1129
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: too late. Sirce was in your face making moves, and

1130
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: it was easy because of that to kind of discounter

1131
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: and go, I can take her, I can stimy that

1132
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: move anytime. But the thing that Circe had was that

1133
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: she was just coming at you hard, heart heart all.

1134
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: Well, she didn't care to do something so terrible and

1135
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: just in your face awful, And.

1136
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of that's kind of what Corlis and Ottaw

1137
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: are like. These are not like putting your daughter in

1138
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: her mom's best dress and sending her into the king's bedroom,

1139
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: the king who just lost his wife. This is not

1140
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: some like masterstroke, but because it is so obvious, it's

1141
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: like weirdly easy to overlook Visara's is back in his chambers,

1142
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: of course, having lunch with Alison. They're talking about a

1143
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: potential wedding, how important it would be for the realm

1144
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: for the king to remarry. They discuss Leana. Alison's like, oh, yeah,

1145
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: good match, She's great. I'm sure that would be awesome,

1146
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: you know. Alison then gives the King a gift, beautiful

1147
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: oak box, which is the dragon figuring which the King

1148
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: dropped the Stonemason's fixed, and the King is absolutely touched

1149
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: at the thought of this, And this is one of

1150
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: those moments where you realize that the king is There's

1151
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: not a lot of moments in the king's life where

1152
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: somebody is just doing something nice for him.

1153
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: And the wildest thing is this is obviously like a

1154
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: kingdom changing moment, like a world changing woman. But I

1155
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: do truly believe that Alison did it because she actually

1156
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: thought it would be a nice thing to do for

1157
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: the King. And that's that unbelievable balance that they strike here,

1158
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: where yeah, this could be incredibly machiavellian and puts him

1159
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: on your side, but I do also truly believe she

1160
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: just thought that would be something that would make him

1161
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: really happy.

1162
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: That's The thing about Alison, this show version of Alison

1163
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: and what Emily Carrey is bring into it. She is

1164
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: put into a terrible position, but she is a pleaser.

1165
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: She wants people. She's a giver. She's very, very generous,

1166
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: and you have to wonder at what point does she

1167
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: say to herself, I've given enough. Now is time for

1168
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: me to be selfish. When that happens, it's going to

1169
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: be probably very devastating for the realm. They just knock

1170
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: at the door and is Auto Allison's dad. He says

1171
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: there's an emergency. A dragon keeper comes in. He speaks

1172
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: in high Valarian. He reports that a thief broken to

1173
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: the dragon pit and stole an egg and it was

1174
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: Prince Damon. He left a note which says basically that hey,

1175
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting married to a second wife in the tradition

1176
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: of old Valaria, and I need a dragon egg because

1177
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: my unborn child is me a dragon rider and ps,

1178
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: my second wife is the lady Massaria from Lise And

1179
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: everybody's like, who the fuck is this and is like,

1180
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 1: that's his whore. The egg ps was the very same

1181
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: one previously earmarked for a young Prince Baylon. May he

1182
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: rest in peace yeah, and this is obviously absolutely infuriating

1183
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: to Reniera and to the guys.

1184
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: I love this as well, because, like the King doesn't

1185
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: think to ask, it's Rnera who speaks in high Valarian

1186
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: and asks the dragon Keeper, and she knows in that

1187
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 2: moment she she can already tell, but she knows that's

1188
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: the way to get her dad to take this seriously.

1189
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: He is not taking Prince Damon seriously. But if it's

1190
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 2: about slighting her brother, it's gonna be a problem. And

1191
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: it's it's a slight Tiranera, who I have to say,

1192
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: her reaction to this is not one that she is

1193
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: trying to manifest some kind of response from her dad.

1194
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: She knows he needs to take it seriously, but she

1195
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: is so furious.

1196
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: She is absolutely fuck.

1197
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: She loves that her dead brother like it is not

1198
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: it is. It's so well done because she feels that

1199
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 2: loss as keenly as the king, but nobody cares that

1200
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: she feels it, but it's what drives it. That's one

1201
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: of my favorite moments from the episode when she starts

1202
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: speaking high Valirium and the dragon keepers like.

1203
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1204
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: And then oh it was dreamfire. Sorry.

1205
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: The note closes with Prince Damon cheekly inviting his brother

1206
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: to the wedding, which is in two days. Auto and

1207
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: Lionel Strong Master of Laws Lionel Strong are like, this

1208
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: is sedition. You can't let this stand. The King is like, ah,

1209
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: he's just trolling me. He just wants attention, which is true,

1210
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that you can let this stand.

1211
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: But then when he realizes, oh wait, that was Bailon's egg.

1212
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: Now he is like, I give me a dragon. I

1213
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: know I don't have a dragon. I'm going I'm gonna

1214
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: do it. And Auto is like, well, no, no, no,

1215
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: you can't even sit on a chair without cutting yourself

1216
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: if you not dragon. Yeah yeah, no, no, no, you

1217
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: stay here, I will go. Uh So Auto gears up

1218
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: in what you have to imagine potentially as a suicide mission.

1219
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows this, Like Damon has a dragon.

1220
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: It feels like, you know, it feels like he's when

1221
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: he's getting ready for it. It feels like he knows

1222
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: he's either going to die or he's gonna come back

1223
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: and all of his plans will have been worth it.

1224
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: Like it's like either way gambit way, where it's like

1225
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: you either lose everything, including your life, or you like

1226
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: win everything, but your life is immediately shortened.

1227
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: I think he thinks. Either way, if I live, I

1228
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: come back. I'm a hero, right, and the better for

1229
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: me and my designs to place Allison on the throne

1230
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: if I die. The king understands the threat that his

1231
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: brother poses, and he's gonna see I need the realm

1232
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: to be as stable as possible. I need to marry Allison.

1233
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: This is because of the sacrifice the game.

1234
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: Right, either way it passed aside Rania and then have

1235
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: a male child and blah blah blahlah blah. Yeah, I

1236
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: think that Otto is just taking a gamble. Care that

1237
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: this is going to work out either way. Allison is

1238
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: helping her dad getting into his armor. She's clearly worried

1239
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: about it. A lot, a lot of things. Here again

1240
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: we see the image of her nails kind of picked at,

1241
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: and ados like, why do you do this to yourself?

1242
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful? Ps you get dressed real nice again

1243
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: and go see the king? Are you going to see

1244
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: the king? And Allison very coldly says like, if I guess,

1245
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: if you want me to you know, and then turns away.

1246
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: Otto then heads off with a force, including uh, the

1247
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: Rookie King's Guard member, Sir Kristen Cole, Rookie of the

1248
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: Year nominee. Certainly we're gonna see him hoisting that Rookie

1249
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: of the Year trophy at the end of this season,

1250
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: I think. And then Sir Harold Westerling, who's.

1251
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: You know, been through as like I feel like this

1252
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: is that those two choices are a great hint at

1253
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 2: how much Auto underestimates Ranera and the loyalty that people

1254
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 2: have to Almost immediately it's I I.

1255
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: Really underrate he underestimates his daughter. He underestimates his daughter

1256
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: as well. On Dragonstone, you know, we're we're on that

1257
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: long winding bridge from the main gate up to the

1258
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: castle itself. There the delegation uh from kings Landing meets

1259
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: Prince Damon. He's holding the egg like it's a football.

1260
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: Lady Massaria is at his side. Otto wants Damon out

1261
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: of Dragonstone, wants the egg back in royal hands. Damon

1262
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: is like, no, I'm not damn He does not care

1263
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: about that egg. Like I love how he's only at

1264
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: me and he just drums it out. It's like you

1265
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: could have kept that in Dragonstone. Nobody's getting in but

1266
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: he wants That's what it says so much about him.

1267
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: He's not even in that much of the episode, and you.

1268
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 2: Just learn his his calkiness. It's just his lack of

1269
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 2: care is just out there. He just wants to troll

1270
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: everyone and just wants to fuck everyone off.

1271
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Swords come out, Kraxies the blood Worm, Damon's dragon, feeling

1272
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: the tension in the air, feeling probably the bond that

1273
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: he has with his master, climbs up on and rock

1274
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: out cropping overlooking this scene, and we can sense that

1275
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: it's about to get real. And then there's the sound

1276
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: of another dragon somewhere in the fog. And here it comes,

1277
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: this dragon flying out of the low clouds and it's

1278
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: Nia on her sea rax The princess is fucking clad

1279
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: in the awesome action action style Targarian black armor, very

1280
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: reminiscent of what we saw Denaris using towards the end

1281
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: of the Game of Throw.

1282
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 2: This is one of the most badass moments, to be honest,

1283
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 2: even to me, like there's so many great moments in

1284
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: their original Game of Ferns, but this gave me that

1285
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: chill when you realize it's how it's like she went

1286
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: against her dad. She went against Otto, and not just that,

1287
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: but she comes in with a mindset that even Denaris

1288
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: at her strongest, struggled with. She is there for a reason,

1289
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: but it's not the Targarian reason.

1290
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: It's such a good point, and many people have asked,

1291
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: what is that bolt that is visible like on the

1292
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 1: side of Kaxi's neck and Syrax's neck. You know, dragon

1293
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: plates that their their plate armor is really, really thick,

1294
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: so it would not be a big deal, you know,

1295
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: much like you know, nailing a horse shoe onto a

1296
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: horse's hoof to like drill into part way into a

1297
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: dragon scale and mount something there so you could put

1298
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: a saddle and reins on a dragon's back. So that's

1299
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: just what that is. Otto wants Sir Harold to escort

1300
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: the princess off. He's like, Prince, what are you doing.

1301
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be here. Get out of here, and he

1302
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, go ahead and touch me and see

1303
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: what my dragon does. That'll be interesting to see that

1304
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: nobody touches her. Rania then lays into Damon and high Valarian.

1305
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm the heir. You're in my fucking castle.

1306
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, but not until you're sixteen seventeen, and

1307
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, but what are you playing at. Why

1308
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: are you taking a second wife without the king's leave?

1309
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: Why did you steal my baby brother's dragon egg? And

1310
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: Damon is like, oh, I didn't get to choose my

1311
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: first wife and my future baby needs a new pair

1312
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: of dragon shoes, and she's like, you're having a baby.

1313
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: And it's very clear at that point that this was

1314
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: a bluff, because he's like, oh, sometime one time, one

1315
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: day in the future, you know, like at some point, Missaria,

1316
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: realizing that she's been used as a pawn in whatever scheme,

1317
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: this is just kind of like it, you know, stalks off,

1318
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: and then Raniera basically calls Damon's bluff. It's like, listen,

1319
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: if you want to be the heir, if you want

1320
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: to be King of Westress, I'm right here, kill me.

1321
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: Do it. Do it. You've got the egg, I'm here,

1322
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: do it. Uh. And Damon chickens out throws the egg

1323
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: over to Raniera, and Rania is triumphant, which is a

1324
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: gigantic win for the crown princess. Otto, of course, does

1325
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: not seem happy that yeah, and the princess flies back

1326
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: to King's landing in the Castle Dragonstone, Damon and Massaria

1327
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: have a big old fight. We learned that Massaria is

1328
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: probably French, I don't know and uh. And She's like,

1329
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: wait a second. You said we were gonna have kids

1330
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: and that I was with child and what I told

1331
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: you back in France that I don't want to have kids,

1332
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: and Damon is like, oh, yeah, good, because children can

1333
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: be such a bother. Uh. And honestly, Massaria is right

1334
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: to be pissed because Damon, with this kind of thoughtless,

1335
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: kind of troll job of his brother, has put her

1336
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: in tremendous danger, tremendous danger. And we learn a little

1337
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: bit about Missaria's past as a courtison, which was a

1338
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: time of course, extreme vulnerability for her during which she

1339
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: had no agency in her life. Uh. And we learned

1340
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: that Massaria is in this relationship with Damon for the

1341
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: security of it all, for the ability to make her

1342
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: own choices, and in that Damon is not delivering, he

1343
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: is not living up to his side of what she

1344
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: thought the bargain was. Later, and this is an important scene,

1345
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: right because we heard Rainy say the king is no fool,

1346
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: but it's been You've been kind of wondering, like, is

1347
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: the king a fool, because like Otto is making all

1348
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: these movies and the king doesn't see it. Here we

1349
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: see the king alone with Lionel Strong, asking Strong for

1350
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: an opinion, and this is the first kind of suggestion

1351
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: to us that actually Rasia's is not He's not a

1352
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: stupid man. He understands that Otto has angles and now

1353
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: he's like, I need to I need to get a

1354
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: second opinion because potentially Otto is playing me, And so

1355
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: he asks, you know, what do you think I should

1356
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: do about Corless? This guy seems really jealous of me,

1357
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: and Lord Strong is like, yeah, I think that's true.

1358
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, like he's, you know again, as a ship's

1359
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: captain and one of the most famous seafarers in the land.

1360
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: He's not gonna take kindly to looking up at someone.

1361
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: And what about the Lena marriage deal. You know, she's

1362
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: so young, she's still like listening to K pop and stuff.

1363
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: And Strong is like, I think it's a good deal.

1364
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: She'll mature and listen, you gotta marry and if you

1365
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: reject Corliss, he will be very very angry. Not to

1366
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: mention the fact that we are heading towards war at

1367
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: sea and his ships make up the bulk of the

1368
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: royal fleet. So like, let's make nice with house Valarian

1369
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: right now. You want them as an ally, you don't

1370
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: want them as a foe. And he says you just

1371
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: you should just marry Leada, don't you know she'll get older.

1372
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,480
Speaker 1: And then just at that moment, the news of Rania's

1373
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: triumph on Dragonstone reaches the King. Ranera goes to see

1374
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: her dad and he is angry that she disobeyed him,

1375
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: that she went to Dragonstone without his leave. And but

1376
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: it's also clear like he's as a father with.

1377
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: Skin yeah, that he was going to where the anger

1378
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: really comes from. That's something I think that says a

1379
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: lot about the man that he is. He often like

1380
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,839
Speaker 2: seems to get a bit annoyed if she like talks

1381
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: up too much in a meeting, though surely the reason

1382
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: that she is his cupbearer so she can learn that stuff, right,

1383
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 2: But what he really gets upset about, and kind of

1384
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: it is to a fault sometimes with I'm sure will

1385
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: end up being to a fault with their relationship, is

1386
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: like he worries too much about her because she is

1387
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: the only surviving member of his family. And that is

1388
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: where a lot of his anger and frustration and control

1389
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 2: comes from But again, just like Otto, he underestimates Venera

1390
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 2: in a different way.

1391
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely and honestly like that mentorship. It's a good thought

1392
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: to have her in the small council meetings. But you know,

1393
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: having these kind of conversations with her is how this

1394
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: should be playing out. But of course what we're seeing

1395
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: is the Turgarians are one of the most dysfunctional, toxic

1396
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: families of all time. They just can't talk to each other. Yeah,

1397
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: they can't. Rinero's like, why is everybody so upset? I

1398
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: got the egg, nobody died. This is aw She.

1399
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 2: Saved his life arguably, and the whole company.

1400
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: Like Otto, Sir Kristen Cole, Sir Harold Westerling, other members

1401
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: of the King's Guard, the other twenty or so really

1402
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: really experienced and skilled fighters from Anto's own household. I

1403
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: saved everybody's life, probably Damon's as well. Yeah, I did

1404
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: a great job. And then they bond over the loss

1405
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: of Queen Emma, and the King apologizes for his lack

1406
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: of attention and care during this time, and they agree.

1407
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: They both agree. They come to an understanding, a really

1408
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: touching one in this moment where the King and Vernera

1409
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: both agree that the king can't stay single he needs

1410
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: to take a new wife, and the King underlines, Hey,

1411
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: whatever happens, you are my heir. I chose you. That's

1412
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: not going to change. I'm doubling down on that, tripling down.

1413
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: Whoever asks, I'm saying, niars my heir, that's you. Don't

1414
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: worry about it, and he that is that is not

1415
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: only in this show.

1416
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: Don't put across. He does mean it, and the like

1417
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: he actually means, he does mean it. Like even in

1418
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: the history of West Ross, things do not always go

1419
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: the way you mean and things change. But especially in

1420
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: that moment, he does he has finally come to the

1421
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: realization after this unbelievable triumph, like one of the most

1422
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: badass Targarian moments ever that will not be in the

1423
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: history books. You know, He's realized that this is a

1424
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: rightful air and it's I think it's a chance. It's

1425
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: a chance to make up to Rainie as well, even

1426
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 2: though she wouldn't see it that way. I feel like

1427
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: there's such a weight in what he's saying. He is

1428
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 2: not trying to palm her off, like he truly believes

1429
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: she's going to be the air. But also.

1430
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: He's making some passions, he's making some poor decisions. I

1431
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: think the King has come to a decision about who

1432
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: you will wed the next day in the Small Council

1433
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: in the chambers we're having that meeting. All the members

1434
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: of the Small Council are there. Alison a high Tower

1435
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: is there for reasons that nobody seems to make him

1436
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: the question, and the King says, hey, I've got an

1437
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: announcement to make everybody. I'm gonna get married. Corlis leans

1438
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: forward and like rubs his hands together. Oh y yes.

1439
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 2: Cassiah's looks at Ranera before he says it, and she

1440
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: gives him like an encouragement, not because yeah, like go ahead.

1441
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 2: So like in the they haven't really played on it,

1442
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: Hair I think because of the age difference. But like

1443
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: in the books, she is she becomes close to Lena,

1444
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: like there's like there's like a companionship there too, so

1445
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: like there's so much in that glance. And she gives

1446
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: him the nod. She's like, yeah, I trust you, this

1447
01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: is what you have to do. But da da uh.

1448
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: And the King says, so I'm gonna marry Alison hi

1449
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: Tower and Corlis just is like, this is a this

1450
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: is an absurdity. It stalks off, followed by Raniera, who's like,

1451
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: are you fucking serious dead.

1452
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: She's like the one single in high school. She is

1453
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: looking she is looking at Alison horribly. They're doing like

1454
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: a Star Wars style, everyone's looking at each other shot

1455
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: like Alison's looking at Raniera, Raniera's looking at Alison, and

1456
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: Raniera is like just the acting in that moment, like

1457
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: the quiet fury, and the worst thing is about it,

1458
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 2: Like you said, look, she was never gonna be happy

1459
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 2: about that, especially because they're leaning into this potential that

1460
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: there was or has been some kind of romantic feeling

1461
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,480
Speaker 2: between her and Allison, but they would just buy themselves

1462
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: privately bonding. He could have just in that moment and

1463
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: been like, look, I know you're not gonna be happy,

1464
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: but this is someone that you love. This is someone

1465
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: that means something to both of us, and I want

1466
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: to take her as a wife. And you could have

1467
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: anything but taken her into that room and then shaming

1468
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 2: her in front of everyone else.

1469
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 1: Not to mention, for Raniera, Alison and her were just

1470
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: in the scept bearing their praying together, no hint of this.

1471
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: So Raniera is has got to be extremely hurt and

1472
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: confused on multiple levels about her relationship with her father,

1473
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: about the quality of her friendship with the person who

1474
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: she thought was her best friend, on and on and on,

1475
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: not to mention what this means for her future as

1476
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: the queen who is supposed to rule this kingdom. Sir

1477
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Harold also storms out it's funny you know that Sir

1478
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: Harold went right to the fucking to the White Tower,

1479
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: Like he went right to the King's guard barracks and

1480
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you guys are kno gonna this.

1481
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Fucking you guys.

1482
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Speaker 2: Are not shit. As well as they did such a

1483
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: good job and this show, like we see Harold and

1484
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: Raniera together like in really one scene interacting, which is

1485
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: the first episode, but they do such a good job

1486
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: of just establishing like he really cares about her. He

1487
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: doesn't want her to die. Yeah, he doesn't want his

1488
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: head on a spike, but he actually thinks Ranera is

1489
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: a good person who he cares about. And it's like

1490
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: the way that Visarah's just like decimated all goodwill in

1491
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: that room, and it's like, now you have like your

1492
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: cool daughter Air who just showed her fucking strength that

1493
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: you have never showed on her dragon in front of

1494
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 2: your whole company and your brother's dodgy like break off

1495
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 2: Golden Cloaks company, and you're gonna just do that. It's

1496
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: like it's you're just asking for really bad trouble and

1497
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get it. You're gonna get it, and

1498
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: you're you're gonna get it.

1499
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Later on drift Mark, Lord Corlis is having a secret

1500
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: meeting with who Damon Targetarian and he is talking about

1501
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: how House Valarion we were never dragon writers. So in

1502
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Old Valeria, the ruling class were all dragon writers. That was,

1503
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: there was no like King of Valeria. Valeria was ruled

1504
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 1: by the dragon riding nobility right and which was often

1505
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: a very chaotic and violent system, but that was who ruled.

1506
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: So House Valarion. While they can trace their lineage to

1507
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: Old Valaria, they were more like a working class type

1508
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: family who were not going to be able to call

1509
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: the shots in Old Valaria, which is probably why they

1510
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: set sail and moved out to Driftmark. You know, centuries

1511
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: before the Targarians have arrived in the neighborhood. And he

1512
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: basically says, hey, we're the richest house in wests right now.

1513
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: And that is the case because of me, because I

1514
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: sailed all around this fucking world and sweat and fucking

1515
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, sailed through storms to build this house into

1516
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: what it was. And we don't get the respect that

1517
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: we deserve. And you're like me, you don't get the

1518
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: respect that you deserve either. So here's my proposal. In

1519
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: order for both of us to get the respect we deserve.

1520
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: You and I will go to the steps stones. We

1521
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: will take the crab feeder on ourselves. We will put

1522
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: the little bibs on, we will get the little hammers

1523
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: out and we will crack him and we will sty

1524
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: me the cherarchy. We will show our strength where the

1525
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: king has been weak, we will be strong. And by

1526
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the way, I'll admit this to you, I had I

1527
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: didn't say anything previously. This is all council chamber. The

1528
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: stepstones are vital to Driftmark's economy. Okay, so this hit

1529
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: me in the pocketbook also, So what do you say?

1530
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: And Damon is like, just don't be insulting about my brother.

1531
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: I can say shit like that, but you can't. You

1532
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: can't call him weak. I can call him weak. He's

1533
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: weak you can't say it, but also I like your plan.

1534
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And we're on to episode three, really

1535
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: great episode of House of the Dress.

1536
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really I feel like there is something so

1537
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: interesting to me about the intentional nature of character building

1538
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: on this show where there's so many I know that

1539
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: there's always been a lot of politics and Game of Thrones,

1540
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: it's part of what's so enjoyable about it, But this

1541
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: feels so character focused, and it has so far been

1542
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 2: pretty set on a smaller group of characters, so we

1543
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: get to know them a lot without having to jump around,

1544
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: though we can see that's going to kind of expand

1545
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 2: out after this episode. But yeah, and I mean that

1546
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: I just love the Allison Rnier stuff so much and

1547
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see how that plays out. And

1548
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: I kind of we're going to do a very good

1549
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 2: job of not getting into spoilers by talking about what

1550
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: happens in the books, because that does count as a

1551
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: spoiler when they're taking so heavily.

1552
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: This is already significantly like like the the kind of

1553
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: outline of what happens is in the books, but there

1554
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: is a significant amount.

1555
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: Of cat adding es, so much context and so much

1556
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 2: character building that you would never get in any history book,

1557
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: so it actually makes a lot of sense. But like

1558
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 2: the tragedy of kind of the Nara Allison stuff is

1559
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: so is there's so much more weight added to it.

1560
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: And then like getting these moments. We got a great

1561
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: moment between Damon and Raniera in the first episode, and

1562
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: we got that really brilliant one in the second, And

1563
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: if you kind of know that trajectory, it seems kind

1564
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 2: of mind blowing to imagine how we'll even get there.

1565
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: And I think that's the funnest thing of this show

1566
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 2: is taking something where you already know the fates potentially

1567
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 2: of the characters that you're watching, but somehow still making

1568
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: it really engaging television where you don't know the exact

1569
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 2: path it's going to go. Yeah, I thought this was

1570
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: I thought this was really great and any more more

1571
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 2: listen than Minaras. So this is probably actually top the

1572
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: fast episode for me.

1573
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: The same here And you know, the other thing that

1574
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I think is kind of it's something that's glossed over

1575
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: I think in the show is that and you know,

1576
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: Corlis kind of touches on it with the second Son's speech,

1577
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: like house Valerian has been integral to the success of

1578
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: House Targarian. Agon Targerian's mom was a Valerian, a half

1579
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Targarian Valerian Alyssa Valarion. Agon's mom also named Alyssa. There

1580
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: were two Alista Hilarions. Alyssa Valarion gave birth to King

1581
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 1: Jaharis and Queen Alison, as well as the current Lord

1582
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: of storms End. Like, the Valerians have been vital and

1583
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: vitally intertwined with the fate of House Targarian, and I

1584
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: think Corlis here is feeling like, hey, we've been part

1585
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: You've helped build this, and we are not We're not

1586
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: getting the kind of respect in terms of, you know,

1587
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: having a say in the way this is all run.

1588
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: That we should considering how important we've been. And contrast

1589
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: that with Otto, who I think is coming it from

1590
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: a different way. Otto, I think is probably very aware

1591
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: of how important the Valarians are to the realm, and

1592
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 1: he's thinking, gosh, the high towers are kind of vulnerable.

1593
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: We don't have that, we don't have that close connection

1594
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to the king. So Allison is that Allison is our

1595
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: chance at an elsa Valarian type figure that can build

1596
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: a bridge towards future power in the world.

1597
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: I think that's actually such a brilliant point because it

1598
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: also I love how it kind of showcases the two

1599
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: roots to powering Game of Thrones, which is like this

1600
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 2: very intimate personal power play that comes from matchmaking and

1601
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 2: then the wide a broader like we did everything to

1602
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: bring you up to power? Why is this not being recognized?

1603
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 2: Those are those are the kind of two ways, And

1604
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 2: I think it's it's really it's really interesting. I'm very

1605
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: and I think Corlis is like a very interesting and

1606
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: currently like you know, apart from trying to marry off

1607
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: his child daughter which is terrible, but his other and

1608
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: very and doing it with with just like he committed right,

1609
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: let's leave the child brides out of it, because there's

1610
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 2: many of them in this season, But like his other

1611
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: issues with it are like really legit. So it's like

1612
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: it's really quite It's a really interesting space to kind

1613
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: of be in, which is seeing the political truth of

1614
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: what he's saying, but like absolutely hating the route that

1615
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: he's trying to go to make it happen for himself

1616
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 2: and his family.

1617
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's more House of the Dragon talk next in

1618
01:32:51,520 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Ask the Master. Dragons have arrived on HBO the new

1619
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: HBO original series House of the Dragon, as a prequel

1620
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: set two hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones.

1621
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: You know this, but I have to read it. House

1622
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: of the Dragon tells the story of how star Gary

1623
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: unlocked in an epic battle for the Iron Throne and

1624
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: power over the Seven Kingdoms. The epic series promises more

1625
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: drama and betrayal than ever. Listen to the official Game

1626
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,759
Speaker 1: of Thrones podcast, which I co host with Greta Johnson

1627
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon on HBO Max, the iHeartRadio app

1628
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts, and to celebrate, we're

1629
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: back in the Citadel to answer your questions.

1630
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Okay, first question, Amanda asks, like so many others, I

1631
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 2: have a ton of questions about the Song of Ice

1632
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: and Fire prophecy. I'm not clear on how it was

1633
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 2: passed down when the Iron Throne wasn't following a smooth

1634
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: line of succession. Do you think it made its way

1635
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 2: to Regar or do you think it was lost beforehand?

1636
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I do think it made its way to Regar. We

1637
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: discussed this a little bit last episode, and there's a

1638
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: different you know, bottlenecks and potential places where maybe this

1639
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: information could have got lost. The rule of bail and

1640
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: the blessed is certainly one of those. I want to

1641
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: shout out a listener, Sam F who sent a really

1642
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: detailed email mapping out how he thinks this information would

1643
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: have been passed all the way to Regar, and I

1644
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: do think whatever path it took, one thing we know

1645
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: from the books is that Regar for a time became obsessed,

1646
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: not even for a time towards the end of his

1647
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: too short life, became obsessed with the prince that was

1648
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: promised prophecy. He thought it was him for a little while.

1649
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: Then he thought that it would be his child. And

1650
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: of course there are the events with him and Lehanna Stark,

1651
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: which everyone thought was a kidnapping and a sexual assault

1652
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: but really was a kind of eloping. These two noble

1653
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: people like running away together and being in love with

1654
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: each other. And of course how Stargarian fire, how Stark Ice,

1655
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: the Song of Ice and Fire. You could see where

1656
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Regar was coming from. What we don't know in the

1657
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: books is, even though it's discussed, you know, the prince

1658
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: that was promised prophecy, and it's discussed that Regar thought

1659
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: this could have been him, and they talk about you know,

1660
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: born of Salt and smoke and all these things. We

1661
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: don't know where this idea originated. And what I think

1662
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: the prophecy and House of the Dragon tells the agon

1663
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 1: prophecy the way it's displayed in the House of the Dragon,

1664
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: I think that this potentially gives us where Regar got

1665
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: the idea, because we're never given a book or a

1666
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: scroll or some way that Radar came to this information.

1667
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: What if this information was literally family lore that was

1668
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: passed down, passed down, passed down, And that's why he

1669
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,839
Speaker 1: believes in it so strongly, because it's never really explained

1670
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: why other than you know, royalty has a very high

1671
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: regard for itself, right, and his family did ride dragons

1672
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: at one time. Why he would think, actually, that's me

1673
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: or my son, that messianic figure. Now it makes more sense, right,

1674
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: Why he would why he would run away with Leanna,

1675
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: the kind of actions that he took. I think it

1676
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: did get to Regar, and I think it explains a

1677
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: lot of the things that happened towards the end of

1678
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: his life.

1679
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 2: Jen osks. We were introduced to the Dragon Pit in

1680
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 2: the first episode when we see Cyrax return inside after

1681
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 2: their ride, we see Damon with his mount, who is

1682
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 2: much larger. Later two questions, Can we assume Cyrax is

1683
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: smaller because they were born and raised in the dragon pit?

1684
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 2: Did Koraxies also spend their life prior to exile in

1685
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 2: the dragon pit?

1686
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Craxy's probably spent a significant amount of time in the

1687
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: dragon pit. This is somewhat conjecture, but I think we

1688
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: can assume that because they were locked up, and this

1689
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: has talked about, This is in uh, this is in

1690
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 1: the books a little bit. When Danny's dragons are being held,

1691
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 1: you know underneath the pearments there that I think we

1692
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: can assume that the fact that they are kept stabled

1693
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 1: indoors for a period of time does cause them to

1694
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: be smaller. That said, the dragons are pretty big right now,

1695
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: and certainly Vagar, who is wild, we can assume it's huge,

1696
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: although we haven't seen them yet. All of which is

1697
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: to say, I think, though it's never spelled out, I

1698
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: do think we can safely assume that housing dragons indoors

1699
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: stifles their growth potential in some way.

1700
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Erica asks during the fealty scene of episode one,

1701
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: the lords all swear by the old gods and the new. However,

1702
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: in Game of Thrones, it seemed like people that worshiped

1703
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,679
Speaker 2: the old gods were strange or old fashioned. Kat Stark

1704
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 2: made it a point to say she worshiped them, and

1705
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: it seemed like it was a point of pride but

1706
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 2: also unique. But in this older world it is apparently common.

1707
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Can you explain the difference and when the old gods

1708
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: went out of style? Like low rise genes, thank you?

1709
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,799
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately low rise jeans are back. The nineties

1710
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: are back. That said that early two thousands that said

1711
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: are back. But I think you're right Erica that the

1712
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: Old Gods, particularly in the south of Westros, are seen

1713
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: as a more peculiar custom. And this is because of

1714
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the ethnic makeup of Westros, particularly south of the next

1715
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: south of the North. The first Men were the first

1716
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: human inhabitants of the continent, and they worshiped the old gods.

1717
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: This by the way, so that's like also shortening many

1718
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: centuries of warfare between them and the elder races, the

1719
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: children of the Forest, who originally worshiped the old gods.

1720
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: The first men cut down the trees and then they

1721
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: went to war with the children of the forest. But

1722
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: then they came to an accord and the first Men

1723
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: took up the religion of the Old Gods for their own.

1724
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: So the First Men worshiped the Old Gods. And then

1725
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: sometime many centuries ago, a group called the Andals, who

1726
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: are an ethnic group who come from Soos, north of

1727
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: where the free city of Pentos is now these hills

1728
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: over there called Andalos. They began migrating to westerns, probably

1729
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: to escape the growing threat of the Valarian Empire, who

1730
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: were a slave holding economy. Like if the Valerian Empire

1731
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: were very aggressive and expanding, and if they expanded into

1732
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 1: your territory, you had a great chance of ending up

1733
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: in chains, working in some fucking slave pit somewhere. And

1734
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: so many many cities and groups were just like, let's

1735
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 1: get out of here. And the and Alls were one

1736
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: of those groups. They weren't like a unified group. It

1737
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 1: was like many many tribes of and all ethnicities. And

1738
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: they brought with them iron weapons, better armor than what

1739
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: the First Men had, and they brought their religion, which

1740
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: is the faith of the Seven. And that began a

1741
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: long and very violent process by which the kingdoms of

1742
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: the First Men were overthrown and replaced by and all kings. Now,

1743
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: there were some notable First Men kings who bent the knee.

1744
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1745
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 1: They held out long enough, and they were strong enough,

1746
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: and they bent the knee, and they are still around.

1747
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: You know. House Royce in the Veil is one of these.

1748
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: How Strong from the Riverlands is one of these. And

1749
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the Andal invaders never managed to get a foothold in

1750
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: the North. They could never get past the neck. And

1751
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: so in the North the blood of the first Men

1752
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,839
Speaker 1: remains essentially pure, and the Old Gods are the dominant

1753
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,799
Speaker 1: religion there. They are worshiped everywhere. Generally, we should assume

1754
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: that the First Men families in the South who survived

1755
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: converted to the faith as Seven, but probably not in

1756
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 1: every case right, and probably they maintained that respect for

1757
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: their history, and that included a respect for the Old Gods.

1758
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: And certainly we can assume by the fact that the

1759
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 1: heart trees are still up in King's Landing and elsewhere

1760
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: in other castles, they're still they're not cut down, as

1761
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of embodiment of the worship of

1762
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: the Old Gods. That tells us that even though the

1763
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: faith of the Seven is dominant and the and all

1764
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: culture is dominant north, it is dominant south of the neck.

1765
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: There is a respect for that religion, even though the

1766
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: dominant culture thinks of it as like stranger, old fashioned

1767
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:28,719
Speaker 1: haave OSCs.

1768
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Corlis made specific mention of second sons

1769
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 2: to Damon at the conclusion of episode two. Do either

1770
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 2: of them have ties to the actual second sons from

1771
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:39,799
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones?

1772
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: This is a good question and maybe a little confusing,

1773
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: I think for folks, so I'm glad you asked this.

1774
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Corlis is making a reference to the fact that second

1775
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: sons in West Rosia society, this feudal society, are in

1776
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:58,480
Speaker 1: a subordinate position to the eldest male child, and therefore

1777
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: they don't inherit anything. Firstborn sons are the heirs. Think

1778
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 1: back to Game of Thrones, right, Rob Stark would have

1779
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 1: been Lord of Winterfell and Leader of the North, leader

1780
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 1: of the entire North had things gone the way they

1781
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: should have. Bran would have got like a nice fortress

1782
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: somewhere and probably would have been an important advisor to

1783
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 1: his brother Rob. You know, but you can see that

1784
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: the difference between those things like ruling the entire North

1785
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: or having a nice castle and being your brothers like advisors.

1786
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 1: That's a wide gap, right. Similarly, Brandon Stark, Rickard Stark's

1787
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: eldest was heir to Winterfell, but then the mad King

1788
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: burned Brandon and Ricard, and so ned Stark ascended to

1789
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Lord of Winterfell. And as we heard him kind of

1790
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: talk about in Game of Thrones and he talks about

1791
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: in the books, it was never in the plans. That

1792
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: was it was very unexpected that he thought he was

1793
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,560
Speaker 1: going to go away to war and maybe die, and

1794
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,720
Speaker 1: before that he never even imagined that he would be

1795
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: Lord of winterfil So it was a surprise to him.

1796
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: So basically, what Corlis is saying here, since Damon is

1797
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: the younger brother of the king, is hey, you and me,

1798
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: we weren't handed anything. We live in fucking castles, right,

1799
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: and we are in nobility, but we were never handed anything.

1800
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 1: We had to work for everything we had. And so

1801
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: you know that that gives us an edge over these

1802
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: like soft eldest sons who are just handed stuff, And

1803
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: the same kind of holds for the second sons, the

1804
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Mercenary group. Their name obviously is a reference to the

1805
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of the notable figures who made

1806
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: up that group were second sons from West Ross who

1807
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,600
Speaker 1: weren't going to inherit anything and therefore had to go

1808
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: and seek their fame and fortune elsewhere and joined the

1809
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: mercenary group.

1810
01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 2: Alex asks, it seems like King's OLLI the hey, the

1811
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 2: job or psychopaths. Did any of them have a good

1812
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: work life balance?

1813
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Basically no. I mean old King Jaharas had a very

1814
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: very long and mostly peaceful reign. There was some you

1815
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 1: know issues in the Narrow Sea with pirates and corsairs

1816
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 1: and things like that, but no large scale wars, and

1817
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: yet he was always dealing with like his kids either

1818
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: being wild to the point of being you know, kind

1819
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: of embarrassing slash detriments to his reign. This is mostly

1820
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: his daughters who were just like you know, Paris Hilton,

1821
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: wild princesses doing whatever they want in a way that

1822
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: was like not dignified or thought of as dignified by

1823
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: a West Rosa society which is also obviously very male,

1824
01:44:52,560 --> 01:45:00,719
Speaker 1: hierarchical and not a kin not so you know, focused

1825
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: on female freedom. So that was their actions were seen

1826
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: as kind of embarrassing to the king, and the king

1827
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 1: took a lot of had a lot of heartache about that.

1828
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 1: And then also his errors kept dying in fluchy ways

1829
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: sometimes so even what was probably the best king, the

1830
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: best Tardarian king of Westrus, and certainly who had the

1831
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: most peaceful reign, he was tremendously unhappy, particularly towards the

1832
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:29,799
Speaker 1: end of his life when he was very, very lonely.

1833
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: So the answer is no, heavy is the head that

1834
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: wears a crown. Somebody wrote that one time, and that's true.

1835
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,759
Speaker 2: Very true. Zabi asks, this is more of an episode

1836
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 2: one question. But what was with talking about the Raina

1837
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 2: and especially their inclusion in the title scene when naming

1838
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 2: Rinera on episode one, Because in Game of Thrones they

1839
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 2: would never name them and just mentioned the Anals and

1840
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 2: the First Men.

1841
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: I think they must have mentioned the Roinar in Game

1842
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 1: of Thrones at times. Maybe we missed it that said

1843
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: the Royinar are again another ethnic group from Essos. Actually,

1844
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 1: all humans in Westros came from Essos. The First Men

1845
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: too migrated over across the Arm of Dorn, which is

1846
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: now the Stepstones because the children of the Forest used

1847
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: magic to break it to stop the First Men.

1848
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: From coming over.

1849
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: But basically all humans in Westros came from Essos, and

1850
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: the Roinar are another one of these migrations. They came

1851
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: from the banks of the River Rouin in Essos, where

1852
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of free city states that got

1853
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 1: into a series of really really brutal wars against the

1854
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: expanding Valerian Empire. Once again, the Roinar had this really

1855
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: cool river water magic that they used against the dragon

1856
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: lords and their fire magic. So that must have been

1857
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 1: really really amazing to watch. I would love if they

1858
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: ever depay did that on the screen. And though the

1859
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Royinar fought really well and won some really important battles

1860
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: against the Valarians, the Valerians like cooperated. They fought as

1861
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: a united front, whereas the Royinar city states kind of

1862
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: fought pell Mell. They never banded together and so they

1863
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,799
Speaker 1: were picked off one by one. In what was basically

1864
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: the final battle, the Valarians used like hundreds of dragons

1865
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 1: to brutally crush the Royinar resistance, though as a kind

1866
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: of doomsday scenario. After the Valarians won, the Royinar used

1867
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 1: their river magic to cause the river to flood, and

1868
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 1: then a big fog came down and the fog was

1869
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: filled with like grayscale, and the Valarians begin to die

1870
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 1: of gray scale and great numbers that said, having heard

1871
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: of this brutal defeat, Princess Nimeria of one of the

1872
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: city states called Nysar, was like, Okay, we can't fight them,

1873
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. So she gathered every ship

1874
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: she could find, ten thousand ships. The legend say, who

1875
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 1: knows if that's right, and she took all her people

1876
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: to see and the journey from the ruin was, you know,

1877
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: across the world was extremely arduous. It's very very dangerous.

1878
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 1: Many ships were lost, They encountered pirates, they encountered storms,

1879
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: they encountered fierce corsair kingdoms, endemic diseases, deadly parasites, religious cults,

1880
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 1: and more. And eventually, after several years of this, the

1881
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 1: remainder of the fleet because some left and some stayed

1882
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,520
Speaker 1: in different areas. There's some like communities on the stepstones

1883
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 1: that say, hey, we are descended from you know, a

1884
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 1: ship that left Nimia's fleet and decided to stay here.

1885
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: So like the fleet that remained under Nimeria was by

1886
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 1: that time eighty percent women, and many of those were

1887
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 1: warriors in the roin Art tradition. They landed in Doorn,

1888
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: near the mouth of the river Green Blood, Nimia then

1889
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: made an alliance with House Martel, marrying their lord Moore's Martel.

1890
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: Moore's was at that time locked in a battle for

1891
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,719
Speaker 1: supremacy and Dorn with the other noble houses of Dorn.

1892
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: And he looked at the Roynarn and said, they know

1893
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: how to work metal. They have really great skills at

1894
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,520
Speaker 1: leather working. They are fierce warriors, and they know poisons

1895
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And because the place they landed

1896
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: was a home of the sandy Dornish, the more desert

1897
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: area of Dorn, the fact that they have this water magic,

1898
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure was like a big deal like that was

1899
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:39,799
Speaker 1: gonna that was really important too. So Nimeria and Moore's married,

1900
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: and as a signal to her people that this was it.

1901
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Speaker 1: They were home, they were not going anywhere else, Nimia

1902
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Speaker 1: burnt all the ships. Alison and Rania are talking about

1903
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 1: this in episode one in The Gods Withood. They're reading,

1904
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: you know that history book about this event. Then Moore's

1905
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 1: and Nimia went to war and and basically conquered Dorn.

1906
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: So Dornish customs are heavily heavily influenced by Roinar customs,

1907
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,799
Speaker 1: most notably the equality of the sexes. This comes directly

1908
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: from the Roinar in Dorn the eldest child regardless of

1909
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 1: sex inherits, which is a big, big difference obviously from

1910
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: the rest of West russ And that's a direct result

1911
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 1: of the influence of the Royinar. So including the Royinar

1912
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Speaker 1: in the list of titles. It's interesting, right, because Dorn

1913
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 1: is not part of the realm. This is more of

1914
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,919
Speaker 1: a statement of intent, right than a statement of reality.

1915
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Speaker 1: This is the Targarian saying, Hey, one of these days

1916
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Speaker 1: we're going to conquer Dorn. It just hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to also just shout out Ian who

1918
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Speaker 2: basically asked like a similar question. So I think that

1919
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Speaker 2: is a really good there answer to something that I

1920
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Speaker 2: think quite a lot of people were like Roina, I

1921
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 2: was like, this is an interesting choice. So I like

1922
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 2: that statement of intent rather than a truth. Chang asks

1923
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: a question that I definitely have been wondering myself. Why

1924
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 2: is Visias so concerned about provoking the free cities by

1925
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,600
Speaker 2: taking out the crab guy that they're presumably funding, But

1926
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 2: the free cities aren't worried about provoking the throne by

1927
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:14,960
Speaker 2: funding the crab guy. In the first place. Do the

1928
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 2: Free cities want a war or do they just know

1929
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Speaker 2: that Vesarah's will avoid one so they're taking full advantage

1930
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Speaker 2: of that situation.

1931
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I would assume first of

1932
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 1: all that the free cities have some pretty good intelligence

1933
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 1: about the kind of king the Visaras is, so I

1934
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: think that they're doing this in a very purposeful way. Now,

1935
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: the free cities have mostly been kind of warring against

1936
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 1: each other over the years, and the Free Cities are

1937
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: not like West Rosia society, this kind of feudal society.

1938
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: They're more like the way Valeria used to be, in

1939
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 1: which it's a more mercantile market based capitalist economy in

1940
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 1: which all the rich people rule. And they're also like

1941
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: a slave holding society, whereas Western slaveholding has been outlawed

1942
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: for a while, except the Iron Islanders still do it

1943
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: in their weird ways anyway. So recently, in terms of

1944
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the events of our show, like fifteen years before the

1945
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: opening of our show, the Free cities of Leasmeir and

1946
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: thi Rush bandit together to take on the powerful Free

1947
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 1: City of Volantis for control of the so called Disputed Lands,

1948
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 1: which is basically an area that's like, right if you

1949
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: walked across the step Stones to Essos, you come to

1950
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: the disputed lands just north of there. That's right there.

1951
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 1: So the Triarchy one, they beat Palantis, and they are

1952
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: clearly like feeling themselves right now and have decided to

1953
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 1: move into the Stepstones. And as we've been saying, listen,

1954
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Dorn is not part of the realm at this point,

1955
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 1: and the Stepstones are right across from Dorn, so you

1956
01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:02,600
Speaker 1: can see how potentially, certainly, if I'm a member of

1957
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:05,560
Speaker 1: the Small Council, I'm worried about an alliance between the

1958
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: Triarchy and Dorn. I'm worried that that is either happening

1959
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,920
Speaker 1: right now or that it could happen. I don't think

1960
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: the Triarchy is looking for war right now. I think

1961
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing is kind of like moving into a

1962
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 1: gray area. The Stepstones are basically, you know, they're part

1963
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: of Westros, but they're also a place where like the

1964
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,719
Speaker 1: laws of King's Landing don't really reach there, as evidenced

1965
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: by the fact that there's intense pirate activity there. So

1966
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: I think the Triarchy is kind of like towing up

1967
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 1: to the line to try and grab some land and

1968
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe provoke the ruling regime of Westros into making a mistake. Maybe,

1969
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,600
Speaker 1: But I also think listen, I think that they know

1970
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: who they're dealing with. I think that they perceive Vissera's

1971
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 1: as weak, and I think this is why they are

1972
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 1: doing this.

1973
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 2: Matt asks where is Agon's painted table. I thought that

1974
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 2: it was put into the main room of Dragonstone before

1975
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 2: the conquering, but in the scene with Damon and miss

1976
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 2: Aia that room was empty except for their small table.

1977
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dragonstone's a huge castle. I think that Damon and

1978
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: Missia were just in another room and not in the

1979
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: not in the painted table room. The painted table room

1980
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: is is we should assume still up since we see

1981
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: it in Game of Thrones and it's still up, And

1982
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 1: of course, if you're a Targartian, you're not going to

1983
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: touch that thing. It would be such a statement piece

1984
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 1: to have that you're not going to move there. So

1985
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: I think that they're just in some other room.

1986
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting kind of uh statement potentially on

1987
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 2: like how comfortable Damon feels. They're like he's kind of

1988
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 2: sequestered away. This is a big question from Blue, but

1989
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 2: I believe that you can do a good parted history version.

1990
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 2: How did dragon eggs work?

1991
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Here's the Funnily enough, I don't

1992
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 1: think the Targarian's actually they really know either. I think

1993
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 1: there's a significant amount of magic at work here. But basically,

1994
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 1: what the Targarians would do is when a prince or

1995
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 1: princess was born and was in its infancy, they would

1996
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: take a dragon egg and put it in the cradle,

1997
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 1: and if that egg hatched, the child would form a

1998
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 1: bond with that dragon that would be their dragon. That

1999
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: would be seen as a really really good sign that this,

2000
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, Targarian prince or princess is a real Targarian

2001
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 1: made of the same stuff a egg on the conquer

2002
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: and could potentially rule, and it's seen as a kind

2003
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: of like a mark against Targarian during this time if

2004
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 1: you don't bond with the dragon, like Maygor or the

2005
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 1: Cruel notably didn't bond with the dragon for a little while,

2006
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: and people thought it was thought it was strange in

2007
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: terms of like how they work. Later on, after the

2008
01:55:55,280 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: dragons die out, there are attempts the Targarian leadership to

2009
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: try and get these dragon inks to hatch again, and

2010
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: they can't do it. So I think that what is

2011
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 1: going on here is some sort of magic that they

2012
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: have not quite figured out. They put the egg in

2013
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 1: the cradle and that works, but in terms of do

2014
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: they know why it works, I don't think they know

2015
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: why it works. And I don't think anybody necessarily knows

2016
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: why why it works either.

2017
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like they take it for granted and

2018
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 2: then that comes back to buy it and when the

2019
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 2: dragons die off and they don't know how to do

2020
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 2: it again. Cook is coming in with the big final

2021
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 2: question for this week's aust the Mestaff. Very good question.

2022
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 2: I feel like every question, I feel like everyone in

2023
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 2: west Ross and the why the world is asking this question?

2024
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 2: Does no one clean the iron throne? I don't you know.

2025
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: When I when I interviewed Patty for the official How's

2026
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:54,839
Speaker 1: the Dragon podcast, I said, like, why don't.

2027
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 2: They throw some pillows cushion, no valvet cushion?

2028
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: And he said, thing that is, you know, honestly like

2029
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 1: absolutely right? And I think it's and it's what Egon

2030
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:09,160
Speaker 1: was kind of going for anyway, which is the seat

2031
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 1: should not be comfortable to sit on, right, That's how

2032
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 1: they view it. It should have these sharp edges you

2033
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 1: should be on edge, sitting there on you know, and

2034
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: be pointedly aware of the power and the danger all

2035
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: around you. That said, I think there's also a significant

2036
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 1: amount of like obviously they don't understand about infectious disease

2037
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:35,879
Speaker 1: and bacteria one, right, they don't. They just don't understand

2038
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:40,320
Speaker 1: about it. And they view, as we have said, any

2039
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of like cuts that a person would get from

2040
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: the throne as some kind of sign that, you know,

2041
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 1: that this person maybe is being rejected by the throne

2042
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 1: and therefore does not have the authority to rule. And

2043
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 1: also I think there's also like a little bit of

2044
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: magical weirdness going on, like mayg or the cruel. I think,

2045
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: as we said, they when after six years, six months

2046
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: and what was it, like, I think it was like

2047
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: six months and six weeks of a rain six x' six,

2048
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,240
Speaker 1: they found him dead on the throne with the blades

2049
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 1: of the throne somehow like stabbed through his body like

2050
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 1: he was impaled on it. And how does that happen?

2051
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:24,360
Speaker 1: That's never been explained. So I think that there's also

2052
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 1: like a significant amount of weird magic.

2053
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 2: Shiite like the addition to the fact in different ways.

2054
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, In addition, to the fact that it is just

2055
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 1: really really gross and probably no one has cleaned it,

2056
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: and probably Maygor's guts are still on that throne, dried

2057
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 1: up and nobody has wiped it up. Uh. That's it.

2058
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 1: Don't miss the new HBO original series House of the Dragon,

2059
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 1: now streaming on HBO Max Don't forget. If you have

2060
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 1: a question, send him to us at ask Themaster at

2061
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Up next, we're gonna talk about Lord

2062
01:58:55,080 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 1: of the Rings, Rings of Power. We're stepping out of

2063
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,920
Speaker 1: the airlock and we are streaming down a Middle Earth

2064
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: and a ball of fire that crashes right into a

2065
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 1: village of harfoot Hobbits, and we are here to discuss

2066
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: the two episode premiere of the Amazon series Lord of

2067
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,160
Speaker 1: the Rings Rings of Power. Episode one written by j. D.

2068
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: Pain and Patrick Makay, directed by Ja Bayona. Episode two

2069
01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 1: written by Jennifer Hutchison, directed by Ja Bayona and Rosie

2070
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: They spent half a billion dollars.

2071
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 2: On this billion dollars just I'm producing the series, and.

2072
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 1: Man, does it look like it looks like it?

2073
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 2: This is like this is long been hypothesized and called

2074
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 2: the most expensive TV show in history, and I would

2075
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 2: say it looks like the most expensive TV show in history.

2076
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Speaker 1: It looks like the movies. It looks so good, and

2077
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to expect, and I loved it.

2078
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:19,720
Speaker 1: I thought, listen. Episode one is a lot of exposition

2079
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of here's what's going on during this

2080
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 1: particularly age in Middle Earth with the L's and the

2081
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:33,000
Speaker 1: humans and the Hobbits. But then episode two it just

2082
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:39,960
Speaker 1: nails that really interesting Lord of the Rings like vibe,

2083
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 1: mix of high fantasy adventure, good versus evil, conflict, and

2084
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: funny moments like lighthearted comedy. And then and then a

2085
02:00:55,880 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 1: real a real interest and ded it cation to people

2086
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 1: being really great friends. Yes, like friendship. It is very

2087
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: much about friendship.

2088
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Speaker 2: I find the most interesting thing to me right, and

2089
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,959
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. Episode one is the homework episode.

2090
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 2: It's the here's where you are? But I will say

2091
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 2: I was a big fan. I think both the episodes

2092
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 2: together are a brilliant premise. So I'm really happy that story.

2093
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 2: Everyone's going to get to experience them. I was really

2094
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 2: blown away by how much the first episode centered Galadriel

2095
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 2: and kind of recontextualized her story and introduced us to

2096
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 2: where we are in the story. Which so there's been

2097
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 2: a lot made about the idea of this being set

2098
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,560
Speaker 2: in the second age of Tolkien's you know three ages.

2099
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 2: The third age is where Hobbit and Lord of the

2100
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 2: Rings take place. This is set in the second Age predominantly.

2101
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people are going to

2102
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 2: be really excited because the first episode actually to set

2103
02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 2: up Galadrial story, the story of the Forging of the Rings.

2104
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:04,560
Speaker 2: It has moments that are from the first Age, and

2105
02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 2: I think people didn't really know that was going to happen,

2106
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,400
Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be really exciting to

2107
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:10,959
Speaker 2: people who love these stories.

2108
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Speaker 1: So before we get deeper into this conversation, I just

2109
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Speaker 1: want to say, because this episode is coming out on

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Speaker 1: the day that these two episodes drop, we're just going

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Speaker 1: to touch on them lightly right now and hopefully the

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Speaker 1: least spoilery way that we possibly can. We're going to

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Speaker 1: dive into it, of course, in a much more comprehensive

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Speaker 1: fashion in coming weeks, but right now we're just going

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. I will say that there were

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Speaker 1: some legitimate, like chill inducing moments in episode two where

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Speaker 1: you could feel us moving towards the Forging of the

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Speaker 1: Rings and I particularly enjoyed, like the getting the backstory

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Speaker 1: of l Rond and his relationship with the Dwarves, particularly

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Speaker 1: during Yes who during the fourth who is He's just like.

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Speaker 2: A great those powers that moment and that scene is

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02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 2: definitely probably that. I really love the halfoot stuff. I

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Speaker 2: love the nature of food and coziness in Lord of

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Speaker 2: the Rings, so I think that that really brings that

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Speaker 2: element to it. But the l Rond during the fourth

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Speaker 2: stuff is very special, and they're kind of like them

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Speaker 2: and d Son. I've already seen a lot of excitement

2128
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Speaker 2: online about them as a kind of OT three, like

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Speaker 2: a potential, like shit and something that kind of It's

2130
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Speaker 2: something we talk about a lot on this show, and

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Speaker 2: I hope that it's something that people also care about,

2132
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Speaker 2: because I know it's something we care about. It feels

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Speaker 2: again like this is a show that is in conversation

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Speaker 2: with the fans. People want the new Legoless and Gimli,

2135
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Speaker 2: they want those friendships, they want that connection that made

2136
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Speaker 2: Frodo and Sam be able to do what they needed

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Speaker 2: to do and save mid Earth, and this show understands

2138
02:03:56,840 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 2: that with its innate kind of it just gets how

2139
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Speaker 2: important these friendships are and the l Rond, Dura and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think is going to be like a fan favorite.

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Speaker 2: And it's really interesting to me because I think it

2142
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 2: would be very easy for a show that costs more

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Speaker 2: money than you can ever really comprehend. Yes, just like

2144
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 2: it's your money, like you will never see it. It's

2145
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a myth. It's like it's it's so

2146
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:23,760
Speaker 2: much money that if you start thinking about it, it's

2147
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 2: actually becomes terrible. So let's not think.

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Speaker 1: About it generally. It's like but legitimately like bigger than

2149
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Speaker 1: the GDP of Man countries.

2150
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Definitely on this TV show, And it would be very

2151
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 2: easy for a show with that much money, with unbelievable

2152
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 2: production design, unbelievable costumes.

2153
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Speaker 1: It does.

2154
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Speaker 2: It leaves visually, it leaves most of the shows in

2155
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 2: its dust, and I'm sure that will continue to help. Yeah,

2156
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 2: it's actually kind of really impressive to me that even

2157
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Speaker 2: in that scope, they understand that the focus needs to

2158
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 2: be on character. It needs to be on what Scaladria,

2159
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Speaker 2: it needs to be on the friendship between l Roond

2160
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Speaker 2: and Duran, And there is such a great moment that

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to dig into when we're doing more

2162
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 2: spoilers that these really brilliant character and narrative moments that

2163
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 2: allow you to understand the differences not just culturally but

2164
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 2: in life span, in inexperience, and it's so well done

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Speaker 2: and they're beautifully directed. I am a huge j Bona fan.

2166
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:26,720
Speaker 2: I love I Love Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom in case

2167
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 2: you didn't already know, But really the movie that I

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Speaker 2: think makes Ja the perfect He directed that brilliant movie,

2169
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Speaker 2: The Orphanage, but like the reason I think he was

2170
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:38,880
Speaker 2: the perfect choice for this is a movie called A

2171
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,680
Speaker 2: Monster Calls, which, if you haven't seen, it is so

2172
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:45,880
Speaker 2: unbelievably brilliant, and it's about a young boy whose mother

2173
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:49,400
Speaker 2: is ill and he begins to be visited by this

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Speaker 2: giant and like tree creature and it is just the

2175
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:57,600
Speaker 2: most incredible fable, kind of contemporary fairy tale about grief

2176
02:05:57,680 --> 02:06:00,400
Speaker 2: and about monsters and about what a monster is. And

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Speaker 2: it's so visually stunning that it just makes sense to

2178
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Speaker 2: me that they would pick him and the opening two

2179
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Speaker 2: episodes just like to create a world that feels this real,

2180
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure so much of it was practical because

2181
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 2: they have shown from every single thing that they've done

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Speaker 2: that they care about the practicality of making a real world,

2183
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 2: but obviously so much of it is CG and to

2184
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Speaker 2: be able to direct something that feels like a holistic world,

2185
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Speaker 2: that feels real and lived in, and so many worlds.

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Speaker 2: There's so many there's like twenty five characters that are

2187
02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:36,280
Speaker 2: important to the show that you meet in these first

2188
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Speaker 2: two episodes, and there's so many different lands and worlds

2189
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Speaker 2: and scopes. But by the end of that second episode,

2190
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Speaker 2: you are invested and you want.

2191
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Speaker 3: To know more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the l rond and during adventure is you know,

2193
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a feat of strength and endurance,

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Speaker 1: and that leads to these moments that you were talking

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Speaker 1: about where you really understand the kind of differences. You

2196
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 1: really understand the kind of obstacles between these two races,

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Speaker 1: Elf and Dwarf being friends, the different ways they approach friendship,

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Speaker 1: the different perspectives they have because one has a limited lifespan,

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Speaker 1: the other one the glose forever, And what does that

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02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:22,000
Speaker 1: mean when you're trying to be friends with this person.

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Speaker 1: That was where I'm like, oh, this is going to.

2202
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Speaker 2: Be They're going to cross it.

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Speaker 1: They figure out it's that way.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of most mind boggling thing is you

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Speaker 2: know that you get the introduction here of I won't

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Speaker 2: actually say some of the names because this one did

2207
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 2: take me by surprise, though I suppose it's publicly out there,

2208
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Speaker 2: but they do a great job. So al Rond we

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Speaker 2: knew huge character you've sin and played by Hugo Weaving.

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Speaker 2: This is like a very famous Elf character. But they

2211
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 2: introduce characters both old and new, who were previously noncininical.

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Speaker 2: But when they come in you start to see that

2213
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Speaker 2: story of the forging and it really leads up to

2214
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Speaker 2: this one moment with Eron and Duran that we're talking

2215
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:08,000
Speaker 2: about where there's one line where you just go, oh, okay, I.

2216
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 1: Get it, and you're just like, oh, it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of amazing to talk about this in

2218
02:08:12,120 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 2: the context of House of the Dragon, because this is

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Speaker 2: essentially a show that is also just based on appendices

2220
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:27,320
Speaker 2: and moments throughout history, rather than necessarily in depth narrative novels.

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Speaker 2: So even though Houses Dragons based on stuff that is

2222
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:32,880
Speaker 2: a lot more extensive, there is a similarity here of

2223
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Speaker 2: building out an idea of a period of history that

2224
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Speaker 2: people have long thought about or wondered about. Based on

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Speaker 2: small tidbits and building it into something more.

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Speaker 1: So I have read the books, but I read them

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Speaker 1: after I saw the first movie because I was like,

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Speaker 1: now here's my origin story with Lord of the Rings.

2229
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Speaker 1: As a kid, we rented on VHS the nineteen seventy

2230
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Speaker 1: eight animated Lord of the Rings. And it's scared and

2231
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Speaker 1: it's terrified.

2232
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Speaker 2: Why it's night matter?

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Speaker 1: Like, I was very, very very scared of it. And

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Speaker 1: so I knew about the books when I started getting

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Speaker 1: into reading, and I was like, I'm not gonna read

2236
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Speaker 1: those so scared, and then I and then the movies

2237
02:09:13,160 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 1: were announced and I saw the first one and I

2238
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 1: was like fucking blown away. So I bought the books.

2239
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Speaker 1: I read them all, and I do. The movies have

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Speaker 1: been some of my favorite movie experiences. But I am

2241
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:25,760
Speaker 1: not like for me, Lord of the Rings is like

2242
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 1: the way it makes me feel I agree and less

2243
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:34,160
Speaker 1: about you know, I'm not it doesn't engage my like

2244
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:36,880
Speaker 1: desire to like dive into like, oh what was the

2245
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,920
Speaker 1: like the minuscule, granular details of all of this. I

2246
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 1: just like love the way Lord of the Rings makes

2247
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:44,400
Speaker 1: me feel. So, how so where does this take place?

2248
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Speaker 1: What period of time is this in.

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02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 2: So the Second Age is like this long period that's

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Speaker 2: around like three and a half thousand years between the

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Speaker 2: First Age, which was when which we kind of get

2252
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 2: a hint off here, which is more Goth who's kind

2253
02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 2: of the first dark lord who throws the peaceful world

2254
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,080
Speaker 2: into this horrific war. We see that there is a

2255
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:10,160
Speaker 2: loss there that really drives Galadriel. This is the Second Age,

2256
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:12,040
Speaker 2: and Galadriel is just still chilling in it. So that

2257
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Speaker 2: gives you an idea of how old Elves are. And

2258
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 2: this is like thousands of years. The question is we

2259
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:23,560
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know how close this is at the moment

2260
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Speaker 2: to where we join, you know, the Hobbit and the

2261
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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings, And I agree with you, Like

2262
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 2: for me, Lord of the Rings has always been like

2263
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 2: a vibey thing, like I'm one of the guys. So

2264
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Speaker 2: like when I read the books as a kid, I

2265
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 2: had like hand me down copies. I was just it

2266
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 2: was like when I plays Elder, it is like I

2267
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,920
Speaker 2: would just get stuck on any descriptions of like food

2268
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 2: or singing. I was like, this is great, Like no

2269
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 2: fantasy novels have these viby like party, cozy atmosphere. I

2270
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:51,760
Speaker 2: actually just wrote a piece about it. It's Tolkien Week

2271
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 2: at Nerdist right now. So Kyle Anderson actually wrote a

2272
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 2: brilliant piece about that nightmare fuel animated Lord of the Rings,

2273
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:01,280
Speaker 2: and I wrote a big piece about food and comfort

2274
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 2: and safety in the franchise and why it's kind of

2275
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 2: such an important part. So it's been really interesting to

2276
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:09,400
Speaker 2: get to dig into it in that kind of law

2277
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:11,720
Speaker 2: way that I've never really done before for the show,

2278
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 2: because I'm going to be covering it and obviously we're

2279
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:17,200
Speaker 2: talking about it here, and it's there's so much law.

2280
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 2: This is like century plus of like law and fandom.

2281
02:11:22,440 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 2: And it's very interesting because the First Age stuff comes

2282
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 2: pretty heavily from the Samerian like, especially like the stuff

2283
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 2: about mor goth Aka and Melcore, and Amazon doesn't have

2284
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:36,320
Speaker 2: those rites, so it's interesting to see where they can

2285
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 2: touch and what they kind of can do and not do.

2286
02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:44,720
Speaker 2: But generally this is a kind of unexplored part. But

2287
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 2: they are introducing a lot of characters either that we know,

2288
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 2: like Ron Galadriel stuff like that from Lord of the Rings,

2289
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:56,160
Speaker 2: and also some characters that we haven't really met, at

2290
02:11:56,240 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 2: least not for a long period of time. Some of

2291
02:11:58,440 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 2: them are in flashbacks in the movies, but the memorians

2292
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:06,920
Speaker 2: and characters, like, there's a really sad inclusion we have.

2293
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 2: We don't see him in these first two episodes, but

2294
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 2: he has been cast. This is a great example of

2295
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 2: how they're kind of pulling. Is Isildor, who is the

2296
02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:16,920
Speaker 2: guy who cut the ring from Souron's finger, And we

2297
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:19,720
Speaker 2: saw him in Lord of the Rings but he eventually

2298
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:21,840
Speaker 2: got corrupted, but we're going to see him here as

2299
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 2: like a younger guy. So it's kind of interesting. You're

2300
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:26,320
Speaker 2: going to It's that House of the Dragon thing again.

2301
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,640
Speaker 2: It's seeing the fates of these characters come to pass

2302
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:33,240
Speaker 2: even though we kind of already know who they are.

2303
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:35,720
Speaker 2: And I think the biggest question people are going to

2304
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:41,600
Speaker 2: have coming out of this is like, what's the situation

2305
02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:47,600
Speaker 2: with Souron. That's the big question that drives these two episodes,

2306
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:51,800
Speaker 2: and so far it's been They've kept it pretty quiet,

2307
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,320
Speaker 2: even though there was there was a sort of a

2308
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:55,840
Speaker 2: tease of a character who could be sour On in

2309
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:59,200
Speaker 2: his anatar the Lord of Gifts guys in the trailer,

2310
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:02,320
Speaker 2: but that was never confirmed. So I think that's gonna

2311
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 2: be the interesting fan theory kind of segment of what

2312
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:11,560
Speaker 2: happens next, because this is very much a tone setter.

2313
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 2: It's this really expansive, beautiful world building space that, like

2314
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:20,160
Speaker 2: you said, so's the little seeds. There's seeds of scary stuff.

2315
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:23,120
Speaker 2: There's you know, some of the monsters you expect to see.

2316
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:25,880
Speaker 2: By the way, creature work in this is fucking fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Oh, unbelievable creature work. It's like every kind of ingredient

2318
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:37,400
Speaker 1: that made up the texture and feel of the Lord

2319
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:41,880
Speaker 1: of the Rings movies is including the friendship, yeah, the

2320
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:43,200
Speaker 1: creature work, the.

2321
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Speaker 2: Incredible action, the landscape, the beautiful landscapes also Bear McCreery's

2322
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:55,280
Speaker 2: score is like so good. There are moments in the

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Speaker 2: first episode, like the second episode, I feel like is

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Speaker 2: really where you get that expansive mix of cinematic and

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Speaker 2: intimate character moments that make the Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 2: movies feel so iconic. But there's moments in that first episode.

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Speaker 2: There's just a really simple moment where it's like some

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Speaker 2: hobbits and they're like there's some half as I should say,

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Speaker 2: and they're eating some blackberries. But the scoring, you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching a movie like I'm it's so he did

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Speaker 2: such a brilliant job. He's already he's one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite composers anyway. But it's it's it's very special, and

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited. In our Discord channel, we have a

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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings channel, a lot of the Rings

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Speaker 2: kind of yeah, I think it's called a channel. I'm

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Speaker 2: old Discord, but yeah, yeah, there's a lot of the

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Speaker 2: Rings section and people are just so stoked for it

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Speaker 2: and sharing all their amazing like Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 2: origin stories and stuff, and I'm so excited to see

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Speaker 2: this is truly and I believe this is about many

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Speaker 2: things because I believe the accessibility of these stories can

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Speaker 2: be for anyone. But really, this could be a story

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Speaker 2: that like your great granddad was really into, that got

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Speaker 2: you into, and then five generations of your family could

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Speaker 2: have been waiting to see this. That's very special and

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Speaker 2: I really hope that it connects with people in that way.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it will, Like this is the kind

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Speaker 1: of fantasy. And this is why this show can perfectly

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Speaker 1: coexist with most of the Dragon Complimentary. It's complementary to it.

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Speaker 1: It's they there's some overlap on the Venn diagram in

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Speaker 1: terms of like magic and you know, knights and sword play,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, Dragons, that kind of thing, but the tones

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Speaker 1: are completely different. This is a show that you can

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Speaker 1: watch with like every single member of your family and

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Speaker 1: be sucked in, yeah, and find something there that is

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Speaker 1: worth dwelling on. Uh And I keep they really nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Like again, second episode two, I was just like, holy shit,

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Speaker 1: they did.

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Speaker 2: It really does feel like that. And then you're like, well,

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Speaker 2: there's only six more episodes. I want to know where

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Speaker 2: this story goes. And also with five seasons confirmed, I

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Speaker 2: think was the idea was that they set five seasons

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Speaker 2: of this, how much are we actually going to get

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Speaker 2: into those titular rings of power? You know, like, is

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Speaker 2: this just the setup? Is this the foreplay, or are

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Speaker 2: we going to get into that true to kind of

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Speaker 2: the meat of the story.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, there's already a you know

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Speaker 1: they've dropped. There's a couple of little seeds where you

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Speaker 1: feel like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there was one character who when he turned up,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. I was like, AI

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Speaker 2: know that this means something is coming, you know, so

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Speaker 2: they're not shying away from it, and it's very exciting.

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Speaker 2: It's exciting to imagine because that's what we like to do,

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Speaker 2: how it's going to play out, and what the shape

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Speaker 2: of it will be. And those first two episodes were long.

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Speaker 2: Those are like over an hour each, I think. So

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Speaker 2: will we get that for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I would like to see it

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Speaker 2: because I really like this world.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can't wait to dive into it in a

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Speaker 1: more comprehensive way. Let everybody catch up to these two

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Speaker 1: episodes and hope that y'all like them. We think you will,

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Speaker 1: and we can't wait to talk about it more. That's

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Speaker 1: it for us. A big thank you to Rosie Night

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Speaker 1: for joining us on extra vision. Rosie anything to plug plugs.

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Speaker 2: You can read about Lord of the Rings. I'm going

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02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:27,240
Speaker 2: to be covering that at IGN. You can read my

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Speaker 2: piece for Tolkien Week is at nerdest I have a

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Speaker 2: ton of Sheeholt coverage that is lined up and ready

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Speaker 2: to go for the first four episodes, So check in

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Speaker 2: at Nerdiced if you haven't already seen that. Loads of

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02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 2: great interviews, explainers, all that kind of stuff, theory pieces,

2395
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:43,480
Speaker 2: the usual fun stuff. If you can still find a

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Speaker 2: copy of Godzilla Versus Batch Up, you should obviously pick

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Speaker 2: it up because it's really cool and all of his

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Speaker 2: art it's amazing, but I'm hearing they're pretty hard to

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Speaker 2: come by now, which is rad. And you can find

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Speaker 2: me on letterbox and Instagram at Rosie Marx with an

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Speaker 2: X and then here.

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Speaker 1: regular basis. Chat that up and we love hearing from

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Speaker 1: all of you. Catch the next episode on September ninth.

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Speaker 1: Soul Rubin. The show is executive produced by myself and

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Speaker 1: theme music.

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Speaker 2: See you next time?

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Speaker 1: Goodbye. Hey, Mike is his doctor Marine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about the events on Dragonstone today. Yeah, listen, Mike,

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Speaker 3: David Tuggan, he's Prince of the city. He's one of

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Speaker 3: the greatest knights, one of the greatest warriors that we have.

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Speaker 3: But he's got to tuck the ball and Mike, you

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Speaker 3: hold it out there like that with one arm, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna fumble Mike or defenders know, swipe down on the ball.

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Speaker 3: And if you hold it like that with one hand,

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Speaker 3: extend it out, it's gonna get strip Mike, and you're

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Speaker 3: gonna give up six points on a pick six.

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Speaker 1: You gotta cuck that thing in. Damon. I'll take my

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Speaker 1: hands off the line. Thank you.