1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: They're gonna throw on third down in seven instead Heineck wisely, 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: and now a flag that's gonna in essence end a game. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: A flag on that hit as Heineck had taken a 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: knee should be the last play hurts underneath and now 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: the laterals, and instead it's gonna be picked up for 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: a touchdown on that lateral by Casey two hill, and 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: the Commanders have won this game. And Taylor Heineke can 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: celebrate a big road win here in week ten. Oh yeah, 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: he could celebrate. Taylor Heinech can celebrate and annoy the 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: entire city of Philadelphia when he's celebrating. Had to include 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: that final touchdown by Casey Toohill. Sometimes football is just ridiculous, 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes it ends with Casey Toohill doing the gritty 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: after picking up a ground ball to end the Eagles 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: undefeated season thirty two to twenty one. The Commanders got 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: it done. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm excited to be joined 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: on this Monday night football recap by Charles McDonald. He's 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: an NFL writer for Yahoo's Sports. I feel like I've 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: been following him and seeing him writing about football on 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: the internet for a while now. I know, I saw 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: him at New York Daily News. I think he was 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: covering the Giants. Back then. He was with my friend 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Josh Norris at Underdog Fantasy for a minute. Now he's 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: killing it at Yahoo. Charles. I was worried we'd have 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: a dud to talk about tonight, and we gotta we 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: got a fun one. We got a weird one. Yeah, 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I was. I was a little worried because I was 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: talking to my buddy and gambling exhordinaire Ben Slack before 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: the game. I was like, I was like, yo, I 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: was the spread on this game. I know, you know 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: what the spread on this game is. So it was 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: like get eleven. I thought it was interesting that the 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: uh that Washington ended up winning by a letter on 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: that on that play at the end of the game. 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: But this was definitely an interesting game. I was not 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: expecting Washington's offense to play as well as they did. 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: But you know, the Eagles defense to have a fatal flaw, 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: and that's from defense, and you know you might as 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: well just stam it. Uh if you're able to pick 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: up you know yards you need to first time, you 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: need to. And that that made things a little bit 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: easier for Taylor Heineke, who should be ashamed of himself 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: for hap. Okay, you know, the more I've thought about it, 43 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: and I've talked to some people even around the building 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: here at NFL Network, and uh, everyone agrees with you, 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: and you're right, that was an annoying celebration. Let's start 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: there actually, because we can get into how the Commanders 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: won this game. We can get into Jalen Hurts good, 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts bad, how crazy the time of possession in 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: the first half was. But ultimately the Eagles defense finally 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: showed up in the fourth quarter. They get an interception, uh, 51 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: they forced a long field goal on a short field 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: after another turnover, they get a three and out and 53 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: it looked like they were about to get the ball back. 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Uh what it would have been with under two minutes 55 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: to go and at least a chance with no time 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: Out's no guarantee, but down five points for Jalen Hurts, 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: kind of a little Jalen Hurts he checked moment as 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about him as Pro Bowl m v P 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: all this I was as a football fan. I think 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: we were all excited for that. It's a third and long. 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: You expect Washington to just run the ball there. I 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: was surprised by the hutzpah of Scott Turner actually to 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: throw or to call a pass. But he must have 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: told Heineck, look, if it's not there, just get down 65 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: and take the sack. Hinik doesn't see anyone open, starts 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: scrambling around like he does, about fifteen yards behind the 67 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and decide to just give up on 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the play. Takes a knee, and at that point Brandon Graham, 69 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: who's coming after him trying to finish the game, pushes 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: him over. He had given himself up on the play. 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't a vicious push by any means, but he 72 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: had taken a couple of steps after Heineke hits the knee. 73 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: It's the right call, it's a silly rule. It's an 74 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: annoying way for the game to end. And it's especially 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: annoying because he immediately started, yeah, pops up, starts uh, 76 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, gesture in for first down and celebrating. He 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: was doing that all night. Uh, kind of like a 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: coaches kid. And at that point I felt like he 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 1: was enemy number one in Philadelphia. What was your thoughts 80 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: as a former player yourself. Yeah, I played defensive line 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: like basically my whole life. So the Brandon Graham play, 82 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: you gotta know to pull up there because the name 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: of the game now is for protecting the quarterbacks. And really, 84 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's been a rule for a long 85 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: time that if any player gives themselves up, then the 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: play is dead right there. But especially when it comes 87 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: to the quarterback, like they let the first guy touch him, 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: but then for Brandon Graham to come in and then 89 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: hidden right right there. Like, I don't think it was malicious, 90 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's something that you have 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: to call. But then to celebrate like a win on 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: a penalty like that and to get up the big 93 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: first down, I kind of like it though as someone, Um, 94 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: that's annoying, and uh, you know when when I play, 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: you know you got to celebrate the moments you're not 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: worried about your opponent. Uh. It was annoying, And yet 97 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I can understand. I don't think he was like trying 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: to shove it and fill his face or that he 99 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: planned it out. We got people in our control room 100 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: who's who are saying, oh, that was his plan the 101 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: whole time. It was like a flop. He this was 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: the plan from the time he hiked the balls. Like, no, 103 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke, it's not Jedi mind tricking them. And he 104 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: when he's taking that knee, he's not even trying to 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: draw a penalty. I don't think he just knew the 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: second that he was pushed that the game was over. 107 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: And that that is one image I will remember from 108 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: this season, Taylor Heineke celebrating like that. Yeah, it was 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: just a weird end to a weird game. And then 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: even after that, to get the touchdown on the final 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: play of the game, which uh, you know makes the 112 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: final score look a little bit bigger than I think 113 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: it actually was. It was. I didn't peg this to 114 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: be the Eagles first loss. Oh no, I didn't. And um, yeah, 115 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: I apologize. I don't even really ask questions on this show. 116 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I just rant about things that I find amusing and 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: then just wait for you to rant. Charles Charles, by 118 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: the way, you should check him out on Twitter. He 119 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: does a really good job. He's one of my favorite 120 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: follows and a great writer and insanely young. I'm not 121 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: even gonna ask you how young you are, but I 122 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: just know you're way younger than me. So you've come 123 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: up uh in the game quickly, like Jalen Hurts. Let's 124 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: talk Jalen Hurts and we can talk about how they 125 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: limited possessions Washington. We'll get into their offense in a minute. 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: We'll give them their flowers there at five and five, 127 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: and I thought there are three game win streak that 128 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: they had before last week's lost to the Charges was 129 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: about as lucky a win streak as you can get. 130 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: But they just wanted in Philadelphia and they're five and 131 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: five in the NFC. So we'll get to giving them 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: their flowers. But the Eagles to me are the bigger 133 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: story here. Jalen Hurts in this game and the Eagles 134 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: offense they get too quick touchdown one on a short 135 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 1: field after a sack fumble of Heinuchy, and then another 136 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: quick touchdown, and you think they're kind of often rolling 137 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: here up up fourteen seven at that point. Then they 138 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: barely have the ball for about two quarters. In the 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: second and third quarters, they ran a total of ten plays. 140 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that is outrageous. At one point the time 141 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: of possession was like thirty one to six, thirty one 142 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: to seven. It ended up forty to nineteen. They had 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: three quick drives, uh that included an interception on a 144 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: pretty nice pass by Jalen Hurts that that A J. 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Brown couldn't take in. And then you get to the 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: fourth quarter where the team does have a nice long 147 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: touchdown drive but ultimately gets the ball back a few 148 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: times with a chance to go take the lead. They 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: aren't able to do that for for a few different reasons, 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: a few fumbles. But I want to start with the 151 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: drive that started at three six left. After all the 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: drama back to back fumbles that they lose, they're still 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: only down five points there. They get the ball with 154 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: three twenty six left. In theory, that kind of was 155 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts go have an m v P type 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: of drive moment and they go three and out, Like, 157 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: tell me what you saw on that drive? And then 158 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: just in general, what this night UH made you think 159 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: about Hurts? Um? I don't know if I have too 160 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: many thoughts about Jalen Hurts from that drive, I think 161 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: for the entire night, UM, I know, the Eagle's offense 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because I thought that he missed you 163 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: know a handful of thrills that you probably should have 164 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: had Um, especially earlier in the game. We're talking stuff 165 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: like quick out or being inaccurate in you know, shorter 166 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: areas that field we've gotta have it. But then you 167 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: you you kind of see how this offense plays and 168 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: able to get guys open. It's a lot of screen passes, 169 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: and he ends up I think like seven team for 170 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: twenty six from the game. But overall, I don't I 171 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: don't really think it was his best performance as a passer. 172 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure though. To me, at least, like 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that Washington really forced him into into 174 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: doing anything crazy. I think he was just kind of 175 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: off on his own accord, uh, just with you know, 176 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: some of the accuracy on some of the shorter and 177 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: intermediate passes. But even then, you know, he's still able 178 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: to hit that long ball to Quest Botkins, which is 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: a great throw, and then uh he immediately punished with 180 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the fumble on the back end of that. So you know, 181 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: I think what Jalen hurts, who would have liked to 182 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: see him Um definitely, you know, play a little bit 183 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: better with that chance to come back. But to me, 184 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: the more concerned areas were more at the start of 185 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: the game when he was a little bit more inaccurate. Yeah, 186 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's part of the Hurts experience. 187 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: And I get into these arguments sometimes Nate Tyson points 188 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: out some of the shortcomings and Hurts his games. He's 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: a young quarterback. Does he read the whole field quickly 190 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: at this point? No, like a lot of third year quarterbacks, 191 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: that's not his strength as he is he reading the 192 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: middle of the field fast. Is he always that accurate 193 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: in the short game? Like he can be streaky. I 194 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: think he had a few plays tonight and I would 195 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: include that last drive third down as one of them, 196 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: where he left the pocket before it really needed to 197 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: be left, and I think he thought maybe he had 198 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: a running lane there and he didn't. But it was 199 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: something where they got quick pressure on him one of 200 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: the two plays before that, and it looked like something 201 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: like a busted play call. I'm not even sure what 202 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: what happened on the second down. And then he kind 203 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: of panicked in the pocket on the third down, and 204 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: that was to me, like a young quarterback play, and 205 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: it was a reminder he hasn't been in this spot 206 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: that many different times. It's the first time they've trailed 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: in the second half this season, and that that was 208 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: just a moment where you wanted calm out of your quarterback. 209 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: And it was just one play, that third down, but 210 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: there was one or two other plays similar to that. 211 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: I think Troy Aikman pointed them out where where he 212 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: left the pocket panicked a little bit quickly, And that's 213 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: the growing process for for Jalen Hurts. And he didn't 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: end up getting the ball back. Yeah, I mean this 215 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: is his start, so uh, we're not even at two 216 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: full seasons of him uh being an NFL starter yet. 217 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: So I think I tend to think that the young 218 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league, especially you know, over the past, 219 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: you know it's called six years having having pretty good 220 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: and it's kind of adjusted or maybe warped our expectations 221 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: on what what a growth line looks like. And I 222 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: feel like Jalen Hurts is still on a really good 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: pattern for for himself. Tonight didn't work out well. Uh, 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: maybe you still want to see some more him from 225 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: as a pastor, but in terms of like where he's grown, 226 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: I think, you know, his skill as a quarterback has 227 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: unlively improved since he got here. But you know, you're 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: still seeing some of the young quarterback mistakes, like that 229 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: third down stack. I thought he built the pocket a 230 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: little bit early. I don't know what Russian lay he 231 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: thought he's saw, because there was nothing there. I mean 232 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: he it seemed like he ran right into the arms 233 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: of whoever is rushing at three tech. He freaked out 234 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. That was kind of his his version 235 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: of a Kirk Cousins play, just a different version of that. 236 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: And for the most part, it wasn't like an offensive 237 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: line is collapsing type of game. They just didn't have 238 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the ball. They still average five six yards per play, 239 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: which for the Eagles is not that much, but they 240 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: only had forty forty seven yards players rather uh over 241 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: the course of the game. No, I, he's one of 242 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: the most improved players in league. We're actually gonna do 243 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: a quick list at the end of this of just 244 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: some of the most improved players, and he's one of them. 245 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: He was one of the most improved players last year, 246 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: and he's one of the most improved players this year. 247 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: He's absolutely like an NFC pro bowler right now. This 248 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: won't hurt his mythical m v P talk, but even that, 249 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: there's nine games left to the seven or eight games 250 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: left of the season for them. I'm not too worried 251 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: about that. I think Washington did a nice job taking 252 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: it away, and for the most part in the fourth 253 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: quarter he played well, went right down the field, made 254 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: a nice throw to Water in that drive, had that 255 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: beautiful deep throat to Walkins, and then Watkins, Yeah, you know, 256 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: fulfilled something I've always noticed, which is if a guy 257 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: makes a diving catch or hits the ground as a 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: receiver and gets up, it's a it's a fun It's 259 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: never it's always bad luck because you're it's to me, 260 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: it's almost like ah, like you know when you when 261 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: you see a guy who you know has really good 262 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: hands and they kind of take their eye off the 263 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: ball and start running the field and they just kind 264 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: of drop it. It's like you're so preoccupied on what's next, 265 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: you forget about the part where you need to hold 266 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: on to the ball. So I was kind of with you, 267 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: like when he got up and started running, and I 268 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 269 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: Like it's either going to be a touchdown or a turnover. 270 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: H And you know, he got so excited, he got uh, 271 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: he was on his way to the m zone, got 272 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: hawk from the ball just popped right out, And I 273 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: mean and that that's one of those plays like you 274 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: gotta have that, especially when you're when you're in that 275 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: specific moment of the game. Uh, because you know who knows, 276 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: like maybe Hurts does finish that drive and they punched 277 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: him for the score. Uh, maybe I would change, you 278 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: know how how we feel about this performance. But uh, 279 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: man just really unlucky. He's trying to do a little 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: bit too much. I mean, I remember, uh last week, 281 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a Falcons fans for people who 282 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: don't know when the Falcons played the Chargers and you 283 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: have to play where Austin Eckler fumbled the ball and 284 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: then Falcon's defensive tackles tap On Graham, who never touches 285 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: the ball, picks up the ball and starts running with it. 286 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: And while he's running, I'm like, bro, fall down, just 287 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: fall down. You're do it too much. And he let 288 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: go of the ball and the Charges got it back. 289 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just gotta know when to quit on the 290 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: play was Yeah, Like I struggle with this sometimes, but 291 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: I try never to forget. As as I get older, 292 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: you'll see you know I'm an old I'm an old 293 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: man doing this job, and after a while you realize 294 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: so much of what we talked about over the course 295 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: of the week, good or bad, is just based on 296 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: completely random, mass like luck plays that that's gonna change 297 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: everything you say, and try not to get too carried away, 298 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying about those two or three totally 299 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: random plays that change a game, change the season, and 300 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: and they add up and it doesn't mean too much 301 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: to me. Differently about how I feel about the Eagles 302 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: long term. Their turnover luck over the course of the season, though, 303 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: probably was gonna correct at some point. They lead the 304 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: league in turnover margin. Your your friend again, Ben So 305 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: like getting a lot of pop on this show, had 306 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: a nice little graph that pointed out they were plus 307 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: fifteen going into this game. No one else was greater 308 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: than plus six, which is just outrageous. They had more 309 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: turnovers if you count that last play, and you do 310 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: uh in the official score book. They had more turnovers 311 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: in this game four than they had in the entire 312 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: season coming into this game, which was only three. And 313 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: and that was huge for Washington, who has been terrible 314 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: at forcing turnovers, and one of them and I'll just 315 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: mention this now before we get to give in the 316 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: commanders some flowers, because I know Eagles fans will whine 317 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: about it. One of them came on a face mask 318 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: penalty for Dallas Goddard. So this game will not, you know, 319 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: come without controversy. The undefeated Eagles season ends with a 320 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: couple of shaky uh calls. One wasn't a bad call, 321 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: but just a stupid rule and a stupid way to 322 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: end the game. And then this was a bad call. 323 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: The face mask on Dallas godder uh is part of 324 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: a fumble that ends up leading to a second Joey 325 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Sly fifty five plus yard bomb. I mean, the Eagles 326 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: were quite unlucky. Everything that could go wrong in this 327 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: game went wrong. Yeah, And I hate to be someone 328 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that wants to give these referees more power over the 329 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: game and take more time from us like actually watching football. 330 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: But do it. I feel like with with some of 331 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: these bigger penalties, all right, you gotta be able to 332 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: look back at it, like if we can look back 333 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: and see, oh, Davis's knee was down when he got 334 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: touched with the ball, I don't understand why you can't 335 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: rewind it two more seconds to see that there was 336 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: a face mask uh on the way down. It's all 337 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: about just getting they're watching that and they're just cringing 338 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: at everything that's gonna happen, like, oh my god, we 339 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: we messed up. We messed up. But I don't understand 340 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: why that's in the rule book. But you can't pull 341 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: that back either, And I think like that should be 342 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: extended to even you know, we're talking about these field 343 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: flipping passing interference penalties too, Like we should be able 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: to take a look at that just if we're gonna 345 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna care about ever getting everything right. I mean, 346 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: I think it would be a terrible TV product, But 347 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: we've got we've gotten down that road. You know, we've 348 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: gone down that road because of past interference and Rams 349 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and Saints a few years ago. I don't think they'll 350 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: go back to pass interference. But I'm with you. The 351 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: sky judge is becoming a bigger part of the game, 352 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and the NFL doesn't get much credit for it because 353 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: when things go well, no one talks about it. But 354 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: actually this season the games are shorter than they've been 355 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: since Now. That's mostly I believe because of the style 356 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: of play that's happening. You're getting teams like the Commanders 357 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: and the Eagles also that are just grinding out these 358 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: long drives and the way defenses are playing and and 359 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: that just makes the game go quicker. And that's great. 360 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: But part of it too, is that the sky judge 361 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: has coming quick We don't have these long replays anymore. 362 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: With the guys under the booth the way that they've 363 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: had New York make quick replays. And then sometimes even 364 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: when a play isn't challenged, correct mistakes that are allowed 365 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: to be corrected quickly has improved. It's just subtle. And 366 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Charles, I think it can be. Just 367 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: keep expanding it. They expand it like a little more 368 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: every season. The sky judges a little more involved this 369 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: season than than they were or the New York office. 370 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, like if you're already reviewing it, make it 371 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: like a scoring play where you can review every element 372 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: of the scoring play, even if it's not the part 373 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: that's being challenged. You can review different elements of it. 374 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: Allow the element to also be you know, some amount 375 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: of penalties. Now I don't know if they're going to 376 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: get into the past interference, but face mask feels like 377 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: one you can definitely throw in there. That's easy everyone 378 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: watching at home. That would have been a five second thing. 379 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And on a play that that's big. I 380 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: just feel like that's one of those moments three you 381 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: have to give it right, all right, And like you said, 382 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: like we all saw the face mask, like I don't 383 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: even know how they how they missed in real time. 384 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: Like sometimes I feel like I just don't know what 385 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: these guys are looking at right. I don't either, because 386 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: I thought there was no one there, but then when 387 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: they showed one replay, there was one guy on the 388 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: side judge looking right at it. Yeah. And it's the 389 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: same thing when you know you've plays on the sideline 390 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: where you're trying to figu out as a catch where 391 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: he's a touchdown, and there's been there's been a lot 392 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: of clear situations where we get the call wrong the 393 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: first time. I'm like, come on, well, I'm then I 394 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: always bring this up that when I've watched the game 395 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: on a sideline, I'm always amazed that any call ever 396 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: gets right, and it it does give me a It 397 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: gives you an appreciation for football players, of course, but 398 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: it also gives you appreciation that officiating is impossible, that 399 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: at certain point it it almost feels like there's no 400 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: way humans could officiate these athletes who are so fast 401 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: and strong doing all these different things with all these 402 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: different rules that it's almost impossible, and the fact that 403 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: they're not even worse is almost a minor miracle. There 404 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: are ways they can improve it. I'm not saying I'm 405 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: not being a company man, but just watching it, you're 406 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: like I, I I wouldn't know anything that goes on, but 407 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: a play like that seems that's so clear in real 408 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: life and and on video. You've gotta be able to 409 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: fix that at least. Yeah, And to be clear, agree 410 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: with you on your take on how difficult to on 411 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: how difficult referee is. But I'm still gonna complain about it. 412 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know it's part of it. Let's give 413 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: Washington some credit here, because for three quarters of this game, 414 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: it felt like they were playing the game of their lives. 415 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: And I think the fourth quarter is going to give 416 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: a different feel to people because at that point it's 417 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: almost like the command has remembered who they were, and 418 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: the Eagles remembered who they were. And if that clock 419 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: kept ticking, if we if they played five more minutes, 420 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: or if they didn't have three or four kind of 421 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: crazy things go against them, they were gonna come back 422 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: and win that game. But for three quarters, they really 423 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: did everything they wanted to do. They finished with forty 424 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: nine rushing attempts. Most of them were in those first 425 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: three quarters because that's when they had a thirteen play drive, 426 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: a twelve play drive, a sixteen play drive, and a 427 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: fourteen play drive. At one point, they had five straight 428 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: scoring drives before that Taylor Heineke interception, which which did 429 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: turn the game around in the fourth quarter. Um, do 430 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: you feel like giving Scott Turner any flowers or Taylor 431 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Heineke any flowers or do you just want to give 432 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: it all to Terry McLaurin. I guess would be the 433 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: guy Terry McLaurin. I don't, I don't, Okay, I don't 434 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: really think that this is like some genius game plan 435 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: or anything. Like the Eagles. They have a clear week 436 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: this Jordan Davis is not in uh and even when 437 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis hasn't been in the game, it's not like 438 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: they've been even like a league average frum defense. So 439 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: this is the time to kind of span it Like 440 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: I was surprised when at the end of the game. 441 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: I think it was Trey Aikman he said, you know 442 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: the Washington they ran for three point one yard for carries, 443 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: and now it's like that can't be right, like that, 444 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: that can't be right, Like I just I watched every 445 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: play to that. How is that correct? But like you said, 446 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: they kind of got back on they've playing defense well 447 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. But I think you know, Terry, uh, Terry, 448 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: Terry mclauren, he's been incredible, Like I think he's really 449 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: stepped this game on to another level this year. He's 450 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: kind of he's kind of entering that like unguardable sphere 451 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: of players because it's not like he was going up 452 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: against a cupcake opponent tonight. Darry Slay and James Bradberry, 453 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: they've probably been the best cornerback goal in the league 454 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: this year. Uh, and now Terry just kind of comes 455 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: in and makes it look easy. So, uh, you know, 456 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: here's here's another storyline during the broadcast I thought was 457 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: interesting was like the insinuation that Carson Wentz is going 458 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: to get this job back, like because they asked thee 459 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the game, like, you know, if 460 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: this is your last start for the season, how's it feeling? Like? Why? 461 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: Why the hell would that be his last start? Yeah, 462 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: you don't ask that, and that's fine. I gotta admit. 463 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: I entered the game thinking if Heineke plays like he 464 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: did last week, or really, honestly, if you watch these 465 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Commanders games, Heineke has not played well every game. Every 466 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: game he gives the opponent three or four chances. And 467 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: I do buy into there's something about the fourth quarters, 468 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: and they've found a way to win these crazy games. 469 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: And it's been luck sometimes and sometimes it's been good 470 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: plays by him or just giving these guys a chance. 471 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: And I and I thought, they're gonna have to win 472 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: this game if Carson Wentz is healthy for him to 473 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: start next week. But they did win this game, so 474 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: there's no question. And I don't know if once it's 475 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna be ready anyway. Heineke played well, though, I would 476 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: say this was as as well as he's played all year, 477 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: and would be right there with the best games that 478 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: he played all of last year too. To me, it's 479 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: this in the playoff game that he played as as 480 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: his best two games, because for the most part, he 481 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: made good decisions. He he skied a couple of throws. 482 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: He does that every week and if there's a safety 483 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: back there, then it ends up being an interception. Uh. 484 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: He he threw that pop up that ended up being 485 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: intercepted where he thought his arm was better than it was, 486 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and that seems to happen every week. But that was 487 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: really the one really bad decision. For the most part, 488 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: he made three or four nice throws to the outside. 489 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: He got the ball out quick, he kind of you know, 490 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: went where the defense was telling him to go, and 491 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: it was like that was a good version of Heineke 492 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and it got them to a point where if they 493 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: could run the ball in the fourth quarter that they 494 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: would have won a little more easily. Yeah. I think 495 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: I think this was the best game of the season, 496 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: which is interesting given the opponent, because this the Eagles 497 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: defense that's been kind of smuggling everyone one uh that 498 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: they've played this year. Uh. And I look, I mean 499 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: coming off of that game, I would be hard pressed 500 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: to bench him just because you kidding me, right, And 501 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: it's do you have to factor in like with the 502 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: other optionists too. It's not like Carson Wentz was killing 503 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: it before before before he got hurt. And to me, 504 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, Robert very seems like one of those guys 505 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: where he's gonna go, well, we're what like four or 506 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: three and one with with Taylor Handkee four and one 507 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: something like that, So we might as was just keep 508 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: riding hot hand and he's a vibes coach coach for sure, 509 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: and hey, look Taylor is doing this to his credit. 510 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: Just find Terry find seventeen. Just give him a chance 511 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: to go find the ball, um And that seemed to 512 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: be working for them. But you know, I thought that 513 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: it was impressive that The impressive part to me was 514 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: that they just kind of just kept going with the 515 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: run and we're really able to run as many places 516 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: they were. I think one time in the fourth quarter 517 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: they had run like twenty four plays the Eagles five plays, 518 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: all right, And anytime you can just kind of sail 519 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: on the ball like that in in and keeping the 520 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: offensive that's cut off the field, I know that, you know, 521 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: we we've kind of learned a little bit more about 522 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: the true value is time of possession. But you know, 523 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: when it when it's that stark, I think it's something 524 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: that really matters. And he gave him a cushion going 525 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: to the fourth quarter at least, and I think that 526 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: that and a little help from the official just enough 527 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: to help them keep the away right. The theory is 528 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: that you wear them down and then by the end 529 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: of the game you'll really be rolling. That did not 530 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: play out. They had eighty one plays to the Eagles 531 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: forty seven, but the fourth quarters when the Eagles boat 532 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: up and and and stopped them. But it was kind 533 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: of uh, before we get to the most improved players, 534 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit it soon and Torrio McLaurin. I wouldn't 535 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: put him on there because he's been so great throughout 536 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: his career. Where I'm sitting in the Chris Wesleyan podcast 537 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: studio and even as a rookie, Chris Uh, my friend 538 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: and co host former co host, said, Oh, this guy 539 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: is gonna be special and you can see the next 540 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: level trades. I'm with you. I think if he was 541 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: like on the Vikes, for instance, are on a team 542 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: that had a legitimate pass passing attack in quarterback, we 543 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: would we wouldn't put him in Justin Jefferson and Stefan 544 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: digs his class quite yet, but I think he's a 545 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: lot closer than then people realize like that he's in 546 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: that I think now you have to make the list 547 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: because there's so many good receivers, but he's getting close 548 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: to that top ten range um and maybe he would 549 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: be right there. But one last thing on this game 550 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: would be that when you mentioned the yards per carry, 551 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: that really struck a note because in the first drive, 552 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: even when they went all the way down the field, 553 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: this was the ultimate like Ron rivera and defensive minded 554 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: coach's vision of a game, like well, if we just 555 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: get three yards on first down and four yards on 556 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: the second down, and then where you have a third 557 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: and short, then we you know, then it's third and 558 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: manageable and we can we can keep it going. That 559 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: was the whole game. Was like Brian Robinson three yards, 560 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: Gibson four yards, and then on third down they would 561 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: get their four yards again and it just kept happening 562 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: over and over like that. Robinson and Gibson ran for 563 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: eight combined forty attempts. Do you want to know how 564 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: many what their long run was Charles eleven and they 565 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: only had one more than seven. They had forty nine rushes, 566 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: only one more than seven. But everything was three and 567 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: four and three and four and they just kept hitting. 568 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: And that's like, to me, that's like Ron Rivera's dream, 569 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: because I'm with you. Time of possession is totally overrated. Uh. 570 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes when teams try to shorten the game, it 571 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: just like shortens how quickly they lose when they try 572 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: to do that against the Chiefs. But when you're significantly 573 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: worse than the other team in this case they are, 574 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: it's not a bad idea to to shorten the if 575 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: you can really pull it off like this, like less 576 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: possessions means more randomness and and basically a shorter game 577 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: and that and worst teams can win a shorter game. Yeah, 578 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: I was just kind of surprised that. I guess what 579 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: one surprises for me this this season really is how 580 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: bad Philadelphia has been against the run. Like if you're 581 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: if you're game playing for that defense, like that has 582 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: to be a core part of what you're gonna do, because, Uh, 583 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: passing the ball hasn't been all that successful against him, 584 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean Terry mclauren. I mean it's like watching this 585 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: passing really did anything outside of Terry mclauren. Uh. The 586 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: leading receiver was Curtis Samuel, who had two catches for 587 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: twenty eight yards. Ah, but for whatever reason, they can't 588 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: stop the run, which is interesting because you know, I know, 589 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox is a little over the hill now, but 590 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: they still have Tiffon Hargrave and guys like Mill and 591 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: Williams are pretty solid players too good against the run, 592 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: you know. But but when they get down to like 593 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: I think, to me, like one of the most stark 594 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: areas where they really stink is like some of these 595 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: c gap runs, like where they're trying to just either 596 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: just like go off tackle there because their linebackers are 597 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: so bad at filling and run. They're so bad. I've 598 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: been in and I mean, look, look, I don't even 599 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: feel right slandering him because I don't even think he's 600 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: playing the requisition right now. So yeah, he's more of 601 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: a the past defender. Yeah. More it was like overhanging 602 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: strong safety is that can like masquerade as a linebacker 603 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: every once in a while, But when he's playing linebacker 604 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: every step it looks really really bad. So I kind 605 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: of wonder what the Eagles, like, what's the deal with 606 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: the Kobe Dean is he is to just not because 607 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: I feel like if you if you if you look 608 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: at the state of the linebackers, and then just you 609 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: picked the Kobe Dedan. Why not see what can happen. 610 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there for him right here, 611 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: that is, they clearly have a fatal flaw and we'll 612 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: see if it's actually fatal. And the Eagles would tell you, well, 613 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: if you're going to have a flaw, let it be 614 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: run defense. That's sort of how they've set up their personnel. 615 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: It's how they've set up their scheme, or maybe not 616 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: their personnel, because you're right, they have a lot of 617 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: good defensive lineman. They should be better at it. NA 618 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: Kobe Dean has played four defensive snaps this season. I 619 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: did not see him on the field tonight. Uh, it 620 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: is crazy. Maybe he's still coming out for that injury. 621 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: I know he's healthy enough to play, but they need 622 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: help there. And it's interesting looking at the Eagles upcoming schedule. 623 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: This loss kind of keeps the Cowboys in the division race. 624 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if they won this game, they would have 625 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: been three games up, which doesn't sound insane, but when 626 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: you only have eight left to play, and and you 627 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: have some easy games on your schedule, like that's a 628 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: lot of games to be up. Now it's only two 629 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys get him again, and the Giants are 630 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: only one game back. You know the team you used 631 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: to cover, uh, And here's who's coming up on their schedule. 632 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: Some Jonathan Taylor. I mean, I don't think they'll have 633 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: problems with the Colts, but Taylor looked a little revived 634 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: last week. Then you got the Packers, good run game, Titans, 635 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: good run game. You're gonna have the Cowboys a couple 636 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: of weeks after that. You got the Giants two different times. Um, 637 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: so they will be testing, and the Bears good call. 638 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: So those are a lot of good running teams. They're 639 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: they're kind of like in the crosshairs here. That's that's 640 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: the trend of two NFL. It's all about the run. 641 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: It's really not all about the run, but it's part 642 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, And honestly, you can even if that 643 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: team is given up, that team, man, I think by 644 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: they play Week seventeen, by that team, I don't know, Joe, 645 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: it might be you know, coaching the Saints, uh for 646 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: the for that week and Camara will be on vacation 647 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know what's up with that team. 648 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Let's get quickly to the most improved UH teams. So 649 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: to shout out to the Commanders, you're gonna be in 650 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,239 Speaker 1: the wild card race for a little while, and the 651 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: Eagles to take a step back. I'm not worried though. 652 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: Most improved players, all right, I had to just like 653 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: a list. I usually do a list here, and I'm 654 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: not gonna put you on the spot, Charles. I'm gonna 655 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: throwout six players here as as my most improved list here, 656 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna put them in order this week. 657 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it. And you can. You can 658 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: just tell me what you think and who you if 659 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm missing anyone, or what order you would have them on. 660 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: Stin Derrisaw is on the list for me. Left tackle 661 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: for the Vikings. People thought he might be a problem 662 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: for them, and he's ended up being a great left tackle. 663 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: It's really interesting to see these second year left tackles improve. 664 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: It just happens over and over on your team used 665 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: to cover I don't are you. You're not a Giants fan, 666 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: but you kind of have a soft spot for him 667 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: at this point. Uh No. I used to cover the 668 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: Giants and the Jets, and I don't really have a 669 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: soft spot. No but you live in Brooklyn. No, so 670 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: you're just like annoyed by them then then and they're 671 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: they're just like fan I got my home problems, bro, Yeah, 672 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: you got a lot of problems. I'm trying to think 673 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: who would be the most improved on the Talcons but 674 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: for the Falcons. Okay, let's hear. I was looking at 675 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: the tackle list and I thought of that. I thought like, 676 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: that's a little too deep for me. Can I really 677 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: speak intelligently about Caleb McGarry. Not really, but I've heard 678 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: he's played well and when I've watched them, like they 679 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: hold up and he's good in the running games. He's nasty. Yeah, 680 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: he used to be really bad and now he's pretty good. 681 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: So all right, So I don't know if he's making 682 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: the officialist, but i'll throw out Dexter Lawrence on the 683 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: Giants has always been good, um, but he's taken another step. 684 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: Derek Brown of the Panthers, I've mentioned on this show. 685 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: It's a guy who just hadn't done a lot as 686 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: a top ten pick over his first three years, and 687 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: he is gonna get paid. Greg Rousseau of the Bills 688 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: quiet rookie year where he did not play much and 689 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: has popped. I know he's hurt right now. Uh, I'm 690 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: not putting Gino on this list because he never actually played. 691 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm with Gina. I. I believe that he's been this 692 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: good the whole time, he just never had a chance. 693 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: So but I will put to Ah. Do you think 694 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: to A deserves this list or did he just need 695 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: the chance? Um? Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot 696 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: of areas for two has improved. To me, I think 697 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: the most exciting part about the Dolphins offense is how 698 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: damn good might McDaniel is, Like, yeah, he might be 699 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: the best play caller in the league. Like if there's 700 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: any one of those guys that was like the actual 701 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: boy genius stuff, the Shanahan squad, squad seems like Mike 702 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Dan really has got something to figure it out. But 703 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: that two was definitely improved. He said, what parts of 704 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: his game? What parts of his game has improved? Oh, 705 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: I think just like the constituency on the deep balls, 706 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: I think he's picking it and finding his spots better. 707 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: Like and I will say that Tyreek Kill and Jaelan 708 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Wad will definitely give you a room for error on this. 709 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: But uh, he's he's been able to find out like 710 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: a a timing pattern that works for his arm strength 711 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: where he's still able to pin passes on the sideline 712 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: like right when he needs to or is or if 713 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: he's able to, uh even just give guys a chance 714 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: to get him open down field, Like sometimes I feel 715 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: like to uh throw the ball earlier when he's throwing 716 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: the deep balls, fast throwing the balls like Tyreek Killing 717 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: and Jelan Waddle because he knows like, well, I can't. 718 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: I don't really have the arm strength to afford to 719 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: wait here, so I gotta let go of his faster. 720 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: And when people do really get about arms trade, it's 721 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: not because I'll see people. Well, he threw the ball 722 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: fifty yards field, Well, yeah, like every NFL quarterback can 723 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: do that. It's about how long it takes all to 724 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: get there. Like a key throw tonight. Uh TWA would 725 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: have thrown that half second quicker and it wouldn't have 726 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: been as big of a air balloon, but he would 727 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: have thrown it quicker to give his receiver a better chance. 728 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: You're right. His timing on out routes too. I know 729 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: most of it's over the middle of the field and everything, 730 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: but his timing is excellent. He he has gotten better. 731 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: You're right, McDaniel, is that dude. That's why Kyle Shanahan 732 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: tried to stop him from leaving him for all those 733 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: years and tried to like hide him. Yeah. I think 734 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: from your list though, I would probably go with with 735 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: Derek Brown okay as number one, just as someone like 736 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: who has improved there. Not only there their their play 737 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: this year, but like you said, like the career outlook 738 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of has shifted for him. Yeah, he's gonna get paid. Yeah, 739 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: he's probably playing like that guy that that they drafted 740 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: him to be. I was, I was, I wasn't like 741 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: the biggest Derrek Brown thing coming out of the draft 742 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: because I was I was like, you know, I preferred 743 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: the guys who are going to be three like one 744 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: gap penetrators, three technique types. But you know, he's starting 745 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: to figure that out to his game too, Like he's 746 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: gotten really explosively, really strong. Uh. And I think you know, 747 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: it was interesting because when the Panthers were going through 748 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: their trade deadline stuff, uh, and it was coming out 749 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: where the reports were like Derek Brown was one of 750 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: their untouchables. You know, I was talking to people and 751 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: they're like, really, Derek Brown was like, go go watch 752 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: him play this year. It was just this year, but 753 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: I understand the thought process if you just watched him 754 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: play this year, like he looks fantastic. Yeah, he is 755 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: that dude. And there's not many of those dudes. And 756 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: there used to be kind of a cliche that those 757 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: types of guys developed slower. I don't know if that's 758 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: even true, but like the Ted Washington types, which you 759 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: don't even see in the NFL, but he's the equivalent 760 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: of a Ted wash Ington type who's just big dude. 761 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not usually into those guys before the draft, 762 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: but let's give him his flowers. Sure, we'll put him 763 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: at number one. I guess McGarry snuck on the list 764 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: now that I counted it as number six. Christian Kirk 765 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: was another guy I would throw out there just because 766 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: I didn't think Christian Kirk had everything that he's had 767 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: in his game this year. He's shown to be like 768 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: a nice slot that can get vertical. Uh, you could 769 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: do it all too, Charles. You stayed up late. I 770 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I hope like no one is you know waking, 771 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: You're in Brooklyn, so I'm guessing do you share walls 772 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: with other apartment dwellers? Like, are you waking them right now? 773 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm actually on the first floor. I'll look to you. 774 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: You know, I never got to that point when I 775 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: was in New York for for ten years and uh, 776 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: if I was screaming on a podcast late at night, 777 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: They're like people were annoyed at me. So hopefully no one. 778 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: I definitely got lucky with my living situation. I'll say 779 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: that for sure. That's nice. Charles does a really great job. 780 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: He's at Yahoo. UH. He's a great follow on Twitter. 781 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: Check him out there. Appreciate having you on. Uh and 782 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: we'll do it again, and thanks you. You gave us 783 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: good luck here, Charles. We've got a fun game, all 784 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: right for Charles, I'm Greg. We will be back on Tuesday. 785 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: We have a special guest. Oh yes we do. We 786 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: have Mark Sanchez joining the show. It's not confirmed. It's 787 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: not confirmed, but we'll try to get him on the show. 788 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: Let's show up, Mark Sanchez, come on, we need you 789 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: heat the call