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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is Noel. They called me Ben when you're joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul, mission controlled dec and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, you are you. You are here so cheerio

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know

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Speaker 1: a bit of a British episode for us today, we're

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Speaker 1: going across the pond Pip as they called it in

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Speaker 1: the Transatlantic Times, that many people say over the pond

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Speaker 1: ties days, halle hoo. Sure, Yeah, I love Pip Pip.

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Speaker 1: People need to bring that back. I've I've I've been

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Speaker 1: tremendously instrumental in bringing back touch tut, such that some

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Speaker 1: of my friends banned me from it for a few months. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are times when, in a serious, somber moment in

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Speaker 1: someone's life, Matt, they don't need to hear the phrase

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Speaker 1: tut tut. It's as unhelpful as saying I told you so,

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Speaker 1: or that reminds me of a thing that happened to me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just a verbal stand

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Speaker 1: in for a finger wag, isn't it. It's a bit Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel maybe a little aw SHUXI too, you know,

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Speaker 1: like if if if a kid is scared of a

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Speaker 1: I've definitely experienced a few. It's not erroneous tut tuts,

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Speaker 1: in the field, in the wait, doesn't Pooh Bear say

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Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, he does. Tut tut is a small

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Speaker 1: admonishment or disappointment. That's That's exactly where I've been hearing it.

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Speaker 1: I've got a giant book of Winning the Pooh stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading my son and he totally says, tut tut. Uh, dude,

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Speaker 1: Pooh Man, bringing the poo, ty to bring the poo Dude.

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Speaker 1: None of my heroes wear pants, It's true. Uh, why

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Speaker 1: great question. We can answer it now. It's a little

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Speaker 1: August thirty one, Diana, known as the Princess of Wales,

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Speaker 1: from a car crash. This is something that our fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners have been asking us about for but I mean

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Speaker 1: again we were originally video only. Yes, and our video

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Speaker 1: it's gonna get weird. Her driver was a guy named

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Speaker 1: were not to not to date the three of us

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Speaker 1: do you have any memories of this? I was fourteen

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Speaker 1: In a very Hamilton esque move, Charles had previously been

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, anybody wants to know the code

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Speaker 1: a good episode of Saber. Doesn't beat us to it.

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Speaker 1: to London. So this car, the car they're actually and

426
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: has four passengers, the driver, Dodi and Diana in the

427
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: back and the guy Trevor Rhys Jones, a member of

428
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: the Fied Family security team ride and shotgun. It's late,

429
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: it's around twelve. It's after twelve twelve three or so.

430
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: Uh they're they're driving and it turns out the decoy

431
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: did not work as well as they want. The press

432
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: is onto them. Picture people in motorcycles like hauling their

433
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: keysters off and swerve in Tokyo drift style while there's

434
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: another person on the back of the motorcycle leaning out

435
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: at weird right angles, try to catch the catch the

436
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Mercedes in action, hoping against hope that one of the

437
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: tented windows is for some reason rolled down, because if

438
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: you can get these people's faces in a photograph, you

439
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: have you know, you have paid your rent for a

440
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: month or so, you know what I mean, Because unlike

441
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: the people in the Mercedes, they had jobs and mortgages

442
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Do you guys remember the Paparazzi

443
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: mission and that Grand Theft auto game. I think it

444
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: was the one in Los Antos, the most recent one. Yeah,

445
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: you had to ride, you had to do some very

446
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: similar stuff. It was like all about you know, literally

447
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: stalking people on you know, tailing them in cars, running

448
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: alongside with motorcycles that you do in a game like that.

449
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's really really nasty stuff, right,

450
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: like more than just invasion of privacy, literally putting people

451
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: at risk absolutely, which comes into play later because the

452
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: driver loses control and Repaul loses control of the Mercedes

453
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: at the entrance to the Pont de l Alma tunnel.

454
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: The car strikes the right hand wall of the tunnel.

455
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: It swerves to the left of the two lane road

456
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: before it collides head on with one of the pillars

457
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: I think the thirteen pillars supporting the roof of the tunnel.

458
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: At this time, it's traveling about a hundred and five

459
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: kilometers per hour sixty five miles an hour. The reports

460
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: will say between sixty and seventy. The initial reports said

461
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and five miles per hour. But surprise, surprise,

462
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: somebody was lying to sell more papers and in closed space,

463
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: no less that kind of speed, that bad news. You

464
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: can see photographs of the Mercedes and it looks ugly.

465
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: You would think that everyone in there died instantly, especially

466
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: people in the front. Witnesses reported seeing smoke, and there

467
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: were a ton of witnesses. They also reported that the

468
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: area was swarming with photographers and they were all over

469
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: the car in motorcycles and other other automobiles before the

470
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Mercedes enters the tunnel. This meant that as the victims

471
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: lay in the vehicle, the press actually arrives before any

472
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: emergency services. And this is where this is where we

473
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: can look at the media in a in an antagonistic way,

474
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: because a lot of these folks, a lot of these

475
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: photographers panicked. They ran to the crash, you know, dropped

476
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: their motorcycles, run out of their cars, and they start

477
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: tugging on the doors, trying to save the lives of

478
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: these again human people who have just been in a

479
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: terrible car accident. But an other photographers stand back waiting,

480
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: hoping against hope that someone pulls open that door of

481
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: that Mercedes, because sure, you can pay rent for a

482
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: month or two if you get if you get someone's

483
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: face in a photo, but if you get the face

484
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: of a dying princess, you might be set. I mean,

485
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: that might be a book deal for you. Yeah, which

486
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: is horrific. Yeah, that's grim all around, because there's gonna

487
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: be I hope, you hope that there's a certain amount

488
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: of guilt on anyone who was pursuing that vehicle once

489
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: once it crashes, and the feeling of oh, no, I

490
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: need to help, what have I done? Kind of thing.

491
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: But you're right. The self preservation in this self, the

492
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: desire to, like you said, pay a mortgage something we

493
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: hit on early on in this it's such a strong desire,

494
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: strong need to you know, pay for rent, pay for whatever,

495
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: to survive, that it overtakes and that's what happens, or

496
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: maybe they were just uh, they were just competitive, you know,

497
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: there was a cutthroat industry. They didn't want other people

498
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: to get the shot that too. Either way. Police later

499
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: go on to seize film from seven different photographers on

500
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: this scene. Six of them are French, one of them's

501
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: from Macedonia. The cops ultimately take twenty rolls of film,

502
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: which have not been seen as morbid. As it may sound,

503
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of a good thing to have so many photographs

504
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: snapped of a scene as it happened, as it took

505
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: place in terms of solving the kind of out that

506
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: it was any mystery as to what happened, but in

507
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: terms of like evidence that could be entered into the

508
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good that's a very good point.

509
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, we don't know how much of it

510
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: was kept from the public. We just have in this

511
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: case of the confiscated stills, we just have the statements

512
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: of the people who said their stuff was stolen. But

513
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: there are a few images that you can find, Yes,

514
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: there are there are You can see the car when

515
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: it's on the back of a tow truck. Well, and

516
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: there are a couple shots. This is the one. Well,

517
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna show it. Oh, there's there are a

518
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: couple of shots in particular that look to be from

519
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: the car that is in front of their vehicle that's

520
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: shooting in and you can see the driver and Trevor

521
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Rees Jones, um, and you can kind of see Princess

522
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Diana's the back of her head. Um. But you can

523
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: see just from there that there's flash photography happening in

524
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the vehicle in front of them. Yeah. Yeah, flash photography.

525
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's gonna be a huge Part two,

526
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: because we have to remember this took place in the

527
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: late nineties. So so what happens. We've got the scene

528
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: of this car accident swarming with photographers, some helping, some not,

529
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: and where the police. So it takes the police ten

530
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: minutes to arrive, and then the ambulance five minutes after that,

531
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: So fifteen minutes, uh, and Henry Paul and Dodi Faytte

532
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: were both dead or dying. They died at the scene. Um.

533
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Princess Diana was conscious and she was in shock. She

534
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: was removed from the car at one am, and when

535
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: she was moved, she went into cardiac arrest, but was

536
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: successfully resuscitated there on the scene. She was in the

537
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: ambulance by one eighteen and left the scene around and

538
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: then finally she made it to the hospital and around

539
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: two oh six am. Fatte and Paul were both declared

540
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: dead at the scene of the accident. Their bodies were

541
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: not taken to a hospital. They were taken to a

542
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: mortuary in Paris, the Institute Medico Legal Diana's internal injuries.

543
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Although she looked relatively okay on the exterior, her internal

544
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: injuries were extensive. Her heart had been physically displaced to

545
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the right side of the chest just from impact and

546
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: this were the pulmonary vein and the para cardium. UH.

547
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: This means that despite lengthy resuscitation attempts, including internal cardiac

548
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: massage and emergency room work UH, the Princess of Wales

549
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: passed away at four am on August thirty one, and

550
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: an enthusiologist named Bruno Rio announced her death at six

551
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: am at a news conference held at the hospital. And

552
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: thus it came to pass that by dawn, bodyguard Trevor

553
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Rhys Jones was the only survivor of the accident, and

554
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: as you couldn't imagine, an investigation ensued, a large investigation

555
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: and one person who will become One of the primary

556
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: um I guess sources of information and speculation after this

557
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: is Mohammad al Fayette, Dody's father. He he came forth,

558
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: he game out publicly and stated that his son, Dodi

559
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: and Diana were both murdered by the British royal family,

560
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: and he started using all of his influence to try

561
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: and find whatever evidence he could find that this was

562
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: the case. A billionaire is now facing the royal family,

563
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: which is honestly going to be one of the few

564
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: forces that would be effective in presenting counter argument. Yeah,

565
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Absolutely, and eventually alphae Had

566
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: totals up around a hundred and seventy five very specific

567
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: claims that support his belief that it was indeed an

568
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: inside job by the royal family. The French government follows

569
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: up on each of Fayad's claims alphay Had's claims to

570
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: the best of their ability. This quickly becomes the most

571
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: expensive road accident investigation in all of French history, counting

572
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: the time before the invention of the automobile. Autopsy reports

573
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: from the mortuary mentioned earlier found that the driver on

574
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Repall had been impaired while operating the vehicle at point

575
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: one seven five grams of alcohol per milli leader of blood.

576
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: He was around three point five times over the legal

577
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: limit for driving in France. Additionally, there were antidepressants in

578
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: his system if you believe that autopsy. There was also

579
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: paint on the car which showed that the Mercedes had

580
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: made grazing impact with a white vehicle later identified partially

581
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: due to the chemical composition of the paint as a

582
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: Fiat Uno. This French judicial investigation last eighteen months, it concludes,

583
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: and it says, here's what happened. We looked over what

584
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: you're claiming Mr Alpha had. The crash was caused by

585
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: the chauffeur on repall. He lost control of the vehicle

586
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: at high speed because he was intoxicated. We have made

587
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: a six thousand page report on this and someone's like,

588
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: oh cool, publish it and they're like, non, yeah, they

589
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: never did. But British law has to be involved too.

590
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: This is a former um member of the government really,

591
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: So the way British law works is it requires an

592
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: inquest to be held whenever there's a sudden or unexplained death,

593
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and this leads us to something called Operation Paget or

594
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Operation Paget, depending on how anyone to go with it.

595
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: The Metropolitan Police prepared reportty two pages long. This one

596
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: is published, it's made available to the public. You can

597
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: read it now. It has sixteen chapters. It goes into

598
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: what they see as the sixteen broad categories that Alphaetta

599
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: is raising when he says there's something wrong. They were

600
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: essentially looking at the stuff that Alpha had said would

601
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: be inconsistent with an accident a pure chaotic um interaction

602
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: of chance and tragedy were consistent with m I six

603
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: having ordered the assassination, and after this operation concluded, they

604
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: handed it over to a British inquest and six years

605
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: after demise, Michael Burgess, who was then the coroner for

606
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: the Queen's Household. The British Queen's Household held the inquest

607
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: two thousand eight inquests wraps up A United Kingdom jury

608
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: with eleven members finds that On Repaul, the driver of

609
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: the Mercedes at the time of the crash, was culpable

610
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: due to his gross negligence, and that yes, his blood

611
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: alcohol level was cartoonishly high, three times higher than a

612
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: reasonable driver should have. Yeah, and they also found that paparazzi,

613
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: specifically photographers, were partially responsible for the fatal car accident

614
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: by driving dangerously, driving recklessly, by um possibly distracting and

615
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: already inebriated driver with flash photography, which goes on to

616
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: be incredibly important. The corner for this was a guy

617
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: named Lord Justice Scott Baker, and he described these verdicts

618
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: as the equivalent of manslaughter in a criminal court, which

619
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: is important. That means someone dies due to maybe negligence,

620
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have the best attentions for them, but

621
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: you're not trying to kill them at least did yes,

622
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: And in this case it is the driver who wasn't

623
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: trying to kill them, as well as the paparazzi, So

624
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: no one was was like fully attempting to murder anyone, right,

625
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: that's what That's what he's saying. Yeah, And the French

626
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: police cleared photographers are being directly linked to it. But

627
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: again the Royal Court of Justice in London heard multiple

628
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: eye witnesses talk about blocking cars that were allegedly being

629
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: used to try to slow down the Mercedes or or

630
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: funnel it, you know, the way like you funnel cattle

631
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: to a slaughterhouse, uh into certain routes that they could predict.

632
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: They found the same thing as far as the death

633
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: of Dough de Fayette. They said, you know, it's drunk driver.

634
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: It's a it's a drunk driver. It's a tragedy. The

635
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: paparazzi is unethical, but this is not murder. However, it

636
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: should be no surprise that some people still believe there's

637
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: more to this story. Quite a few people in Britain, here,

638
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: in the US, Canada, and around the world are convinced

639
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Speaker 1: that the official explanation is either somehow inaccurate or purposely

640
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: a cover up. More than twenty years after the fact,

641
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: this conspiracy seems to continue growing. It raises some fascinating points.

642
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Speaker 1: We'll get to them after a word from our sponsor.

643
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. What if Diana's car accident

644
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: wasn't an accident at all? Yeah, for people who believe

645
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: that Princess Diana's death was the rest on a homicide

646
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: or a conspiracy rather than an accident, it goes all

647
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Speaker 1: the way to Buckingham Palace, to Royalty and you know,

648
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: you wonder, well, why in the world would somebody want

649
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: to take you know, the former Princess Diana out. She's

650
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: no longer in your hair, she's no longer doing anything.

651
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: She's not representing you anymore. Why would you want to

652
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: take her out? This is so Game of thrones. There's

653
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: the idea that Diana was secretly pregnant with dode Fayette's

654
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: kid as well as engaged to him, and that the

655
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: British Queen was, wait for it, royally p owed by

656
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: the idea of a Muslim child being associated with the

657
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: family as a racist angle to somehow, yeah, right, some

658
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: somehow they were. They were like, look, it's all well

659
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: and good, we live in an integrated society, but no,

660
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: no Muslims in the inner circle. There's not a lot

661
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: of evidence to support that. It's more like an attitude

662
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: people assume the Royal family would have. Interesting. Then there's

663
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: the one that Charles needed ex wife dead to somehow

664
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: clear the way for this new marriage, and many of

665
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: these claims would have faded off of the mainstream radar

666
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: probably were it not for Doughty's father, Mohammad al Fayed.

667
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: He remains convinced to this day in that the British

668
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Royal family or the forces under their command murdered his son.

669
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: There's something interesting here, because you know, we have to

670
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: we have to be very human again, and remember that

671
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: no parents should ever have to bury their child. So

672
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: of course you want to find reasons for such a

673
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: horrific catastrophe to occur. So you'll hear people say, sometimes diplomatically,

674
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: sometimes in in a somewhat callous manner, that this man

675
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: is just grasping at straws because he can't believe that

676
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: something as simple and chaotic as an accident could have

677
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: taken his child's life. But then we see these strange

678
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: breadcrumbs people have put together, and we're gonna give you

679
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: a couple of those to hear and hear what you think,

680
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: and we'd love to hear from you afterwards as well,

681
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: to let us in your fellow listeners know where where

682
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: you find yourself in this story. Diana, Princess of Wales,

683
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: may have predicted her own death, at least that's where

684
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: her former butler, Paul Burrell believes. When he came forward

685
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, he claimed that the princess had

686
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: given him a note, a dated, signed note, ten months

687
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: before her death as an insurance policy. It was written

688
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: two months after her divorce from Chuck. Diana claimed in

689
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the note she believed there was a plan for an

690
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: accident in my car, break failure, and serious head injury

691
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: to clear the way for her ex husband to marry

692
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: their son's nanny, Tiggy leg Bork. This letter is not

693
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: universely accepted. It's got a lot of press. Came forward

694
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: in a book that the butler wrote. But there are

695
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: people who will claim that Burl, as her longtime butler,

696
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: knew her handwriting well and was capable of forging it. Yeah,

697
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: and at that point, it's who do you believe? That's

698
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: really what it comes down to. I wanted to ask,

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00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, what it would a DNA tests be worthwhile

700
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: on that thing, because I would assume it doesn't necessarily

701
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: prove anything since they were probably in close contact. That

702
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: that's interesting, and whoever has handled it since then, who

703
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: knows how it was kept. But also, you know handwriting analysis,

704
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen a full investigation into it. Yeah, yeah,

705
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: that's true. There are other there are other big claims too. Yeah. Well,

706
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: just the last thing with that is that just because

707
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: she was she had some fears about her ex husband

708
00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: um with this other person, does not mean that he

709
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: killed her for this reason and or I don't It's

710
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: one of those tough. It's it's a tough thing. Just

711
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: because her personal belief was there, even if it was

712
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: her sincere personal belief, it doesn't mean that that's what

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00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: happened exactly. That's a fantastic point. I think that's something

714
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: that many of us accidentally glaze over. But if we're

715
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: thinking critically, then we have to we have to acknowledge that.

716
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: We also have to acknowledge a lot of the I

717
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: would say the bulk of the conspiratorial claims on all

718
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Faid's part concern secret connections to M I six the

719
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: intelligence services. His argument is essentially that the royal family

720
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: wanted his his son and uh and Princess Diana dead,

721
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: but that you know, the Queen's not going to be

722
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: out there with a sniper rifle. You know, Prince Charles

723
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: isn't gonna show up and in like a weird mech

724
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: or some they are pop tires. So they say m

725
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: M I six did their dirty work. Well, yes, and

726
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: and it let's just let's game here really fast. If

727
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: you are going to murder a former princess and her lover,

728
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: you cannot make it not look like an accident because

729
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: it will be such a high profile case immediately no

730
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: matter how the death occurs. Um, if if you were

731
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: going to take out a princess or royalty, you would

732
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: have to make it look like an accident. Right. So

733
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the other big things that comes

734
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: into play here because you've got people talking about i

735
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: mean spies literally, like the British people paying basically with

736
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: their taxes to have the princess murder. But are there

737
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: any theories surrounding like it with the paparazzi were plants

738
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: and they were trying to distract the driver and trying

739
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: to force them off the road, Like do we have

740
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: any concrete was there? You know, supposedly any um manipulation

741
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't done with the car, and he like tampering with

742
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean I've never really seen anything like any of

743
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: those claims. Well, well, the claim is you don't have

744
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: to tamper with the car if you've got the driver

745
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: on your payroll, right that that's that's when he goes

746
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: back to Andre Paul and did you know, did he

747
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: or did he not have any kind of contacts with

748
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: the world of intelligence or with you know, people who

749
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: conduct espionage. Yeah, theorists as well as his friends and

750
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: people who personally knew him will claim that he had

751
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: extensive contacts in the world of intelligence and spycraft. And

752
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: they'll claim this because of the nature of his employment

753
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: at the Ritz. The Ritz is a place where important

754
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: people hang out. It's good to have access there behind

755
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: the curtain, was he in the pay of an intelligence agency.

756
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: The evidence to support this theory, or that purports to

757
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: support this theory, comes mainly from an unusual amount of

758
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: money that was found in his possession at the time

759
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: of his death, as well as his personal wealth, which

760
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: doesn't People will argue he makes more money than his

761
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: position would imply, and then the argument falls he was

762
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: essentially framed for this, or possibly drugged or had the

763
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: results of his autopsy doctored. I'm sorry, I couldn't help it.

764
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Uh to the idea that he was not drunk of

765
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: his own volition. But he was not drunk of his

766
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: own free will, right right, So another and his his

767
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: friends and family said he liked a beer, but he

768
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, he would love to have a night on

769
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: town with the boys, but he wasn't like a problematic drinker.

770
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Another allegation concerns the reliability of the blood tests that

771
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: were carried out. The French investigator's conclusion that he was

772
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: drunk was made on an analysis of blood samples, and

773
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: this was according to a September report. A British pathologist

774
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: hired by Alpha I had challenged these results and the

775
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: French authorities carried out more tests, but every time and

776
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: they said, we see that he is at approximately three

777
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: three and a half times over the limit and taking antidepressants.

778
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: That's the thing. This is a point counterpoint opinion war

779
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: between Alpha ED and the French government, or as he

780
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: would say, the royal family. There's another there's a more

781
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: interesting angle though than Henri Paul. We're not going to

782
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: get the answers for that, but maybe we can find

783
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: out more from Richard Tomlinson. Very interesting character. Reminds me

784
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: of some of the kind of wild West oss dudes

785
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: we talked about with the U S Intelligence Services. Tomlinson

786
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: worked for m I six. He was a He's someone

787
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: who gave testimony to the French inquiry in May of

788
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: n He said, under oath mind you m I six

789
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: was involved in the crash. The security service has documentation

790
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: which will help you figure out what's going on. You

791
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: have to ask them. Furthermore, I believe that Henri Paul

792
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: was working for security services, maybe am I six, I

793
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: don't know. They were working for someone, one of the

794
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: spook squads, and that this Trevor Rees Jones guy was

795
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: a contact for British intelligence. He goes on to say

796
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: m I six was monitoring Diana before her death. Uh.

797
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: He told Mohammad al Fayed himself that Henri Paul was

798
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: an m I six agent, and he said to the guy,

799
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: he said, Ali Fay ed the death of Princess Diana

800
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: and your son mirrors plans I saw a few years

801
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: ago back in for the assassination of then President of

802
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: Serbia Sloba Don Molosovich. They used a strobe light to

803
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: blind his chauffeur. That was their plan. Wow, and it's

804
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: crazy too. We're talking about the strobe light idea. That

805
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: image you were talking about earlier in the show. Um,

806
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: that is presumable one of these paparazzi images that was

807
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: taken through the front windshield of the car incredibly close. Um,

808
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: it does look like you can see the flash bulb

809
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: in the driver's eyes, but he also has a very

810
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: odd look on his face, like a little doped up

811
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: looking Yeah, I would concur with your assessment there, And

812
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: it does definitely feel strange. You gotta remember that the

813
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: lens could be you know, pretty telephotos, so they couldn't.

814
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: Maybe the vehicle isn't as close as it appears. But

815
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: that flash, and that's the big thing here. The flash

816
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: is troublesome no matter how far away they are, if

817
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: it's coming directly in front of them. And if you're

818
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: a photographer, if you know anything about photography, you probably

819
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't use a flash in that situation, would you. What

820
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: do you think, well, from that far away, like, why

821
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: would you use a flash in a tunnel, Like I

822
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: guess you would if you're moving really fast, you might

823
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: need to use a flash to get to capture an

824
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: image and not have that be blurry. Still seems odd

825
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: to use it from so far way on glass, because

826
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: if you're shooting through you know a window, flash is

827
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: gonna reflect and mess up your shot, right, But ultimately

828
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: your goal is to illuminate the interior of the vehicle. Right.

829
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: So initially in I six doesn't doesn't dame this worthy

830
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: of response, but a source and m I six later

831
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: confirms that there were. In fact, this is interesting here's

832
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: their problem with with the guy's testimony. They say, no,

833
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: of course we had no plans for that. Our own

834
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: government cleared us after their investigation. Uh. And this guy

835
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 1: is lying about this crazy cockamami plan to cause car

836
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: accidents through strobe light weaponization and they're like, oh, you

837
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: never did that, and they're like, well, yeah we did,

838
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: but it wasn't with slobad On Milosovich. So clear you

839
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: can't believe this guy at all. That was That was

840
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: a different, uh, sketchy European dude that we were trying

841
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: to kill. Anyway, this interview was over, so Tomlinson's claims

842
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: were never a fishly corroborated. It's just off the record

843
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: m I six and alleged m I six members backing

844
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: him up. However, he was imprisoned in seven for breaking

845
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: the Official Secrets Act. He sent a snopsis of a

846
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: book that he wanted to write about his career with

847
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: m I six to an Australian publisher. He served six

848
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: months of a one year sentence, got paroled and then

849
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: immediately skipped the country. The inquiry concluded by dismissing his claims.

850
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: They said it was an embellishment. It's not a lie,

851
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: but an embellishment, and he said, you know, they said, furthermore,

852
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: his embellishment is dangerous because it's one of the primary

853
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: reasons people have these theories still that the um, the

854
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: British elite murdered one of their own. Tomlinson was also

855
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: arrested by French authorities in two thousand and six when

856
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: they were doing their inquiry into the death. French police

857
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: at the time seized computer files and uh, personal papers

858
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: from his home and can and then eventually kinda he

859
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of got away. They said he wasn't worth prosecuting.

860
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: In two thousand seven, he would have had him published

861
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: the book The Big Breach. People describe him as kind

862
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: of an arrogant James Bond esque character. Yeah, I'd say

863
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: that seems about rain based on everything we know. So

864
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: he was allowed to return to Britain in two thousand

865
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: nine get royalties from his book. They dropped the threat

866
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: of charges against him as long as he had sort

867
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: of a gentleman's agreement to stop exposing the skeletons in

868
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: the m I six closet. Is that they were like

869
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: stopped talking to the press, stop talking about your old job,

870
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: which you know, naturally leads us to conclude that he

871
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: probably had something on him. You know what I mean,

872
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: they didn't know what else he might have astely because

873
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: they basically just said, just leave it alone. We'll leave

874
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: you a loan. Let's just stop. Um, that's crazy. Let's

875
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: do let's do one Let's do one more thing. What

876
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: do you say, one more thing? Let's talk about that

877
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: Fiat you mentioned. Heck, yeah, Fiat, that white, that white paint,

878
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: real smoke, show those things. Remember, I see white Fiat

879
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: in print. I can't help but think of the Starbucks beverage,

880
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: the flat white, because Fiat looks like flat on paper.

881
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: That's when I didn't know that was a third of

882
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: a flat white. No, Is it just milk? No, it's

883
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: like an espresso with milk on top of us, like

884
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: a little dot of milk kind of What about that

885
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: white Fiat. Well, there were witnesses who were there, obviously,

886
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who were in that

887
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: tunnel at the time, and seven of them, uh said

888
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: they saw a white Fiat Uno, the one we mentioned

889
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: earlier that may or may not have made contact with

890
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: the vehicle and a motorcycle speeding out of the tunnel

891
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: just seconds after after the crash, and there was a

892
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: lot of testing afterwards. The forensics basically confirmed that a

893
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: white Fiat Uno collided with the Mercedes carrying Diana and

894
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Doughty and everyone else, and this collision was definitely a

895
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: significant factor in the crack. Now that's big, that's really big.

896
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: And then there are other eyewitnesses who told police that

897
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: they saw a powerful flash of light just seconds before

898
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: the crash, before the not the crash itself, like the

899
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: impact flash impact flash. Think about it this way, flash

900
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: swerve impact, which is you know that blinding that we

901
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: were talking about, which it most certainly would in a

902
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: dark and tunnel like that, if you had essentially headlights

903
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: coming right at you all of a sudden, there would

904
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: be a blinding effect. Here's the thing. The police say

905
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: they have been unable to locate either the vehicles, either

906
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: the Fiat or the motorcycle, or identify the drivers or

907
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: the passengers. However, there's a guy, Jean Paul James Andenson

908
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: who is closely associated with his white Fiat. Oh and

909
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: we should we should point out they might sound strange.

910
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: They were able to find a specific make model of

911
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: car based just on a pigment. Uh, they were able

912
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: to find that because it was a factory pigment from Fiats.

913
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: They were able to match samples together. There are things

914
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: like that that are occurring all over manufacturing these days,

915
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: where you could easily identify a certain vehicle, a certain

916
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: table even, or a pencil or any of that. Still,

917
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: don't print out ransom notes on your printer. He's supposed

918
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: to use this magazine cut out any printer that any

919
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: printer that you can commercially buy is going to have

920
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: identifying pixels that are that are there for a reason.

921
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: The world is probably a slightly better place that they're there.

922
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm not totally against it, to be honest, only slightly,

923
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: slightly slightly, but but so back to this guy, James Anderson,

924
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: Jean Paul James Anderson. Uh, he is linked with this.

925
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: He's linked with this White Fiat. People who believe there

926
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: was a conspiracy, no homicide, are convinced that he was

927
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: intimately involved with this. He had been threatening to write

928
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: an expose a an explosive book. UH. He had links

929
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: with the Secret Service. Apparently he met with an author

930
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: named Frederic Dard to discuss this book he said would

931
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: blow the lid off a conspiracy, and then he was

932
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: found in a torched car, allegedly with two bullet wounds

933
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: in his head, and the authorities ruled that it was suicide. Okay,

934
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: Dart also died torch your own car, the junction man.

935
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: So the so he and the author both died, yes, yep,

936
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: uh and Mohammed al Fayed urged police to reopen the

937
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: investigation into Anderson's death. But at this point it didn't happen.

938
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: And you know this, this story goes on and on

939
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: and on like the uh, the British public, if you

940
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: were listening to this in the United Kingdom, you are

941
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: a member of the most one of the most heavily

942
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: surveiled populations on the planet. There are more closed circuit

943
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: television cameras or CCTV cams in the UK per person

944
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: than there are anywhere else on the planet. So why

945
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: didn't these catch more of the accident? That's when Alpha

946
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: adds questions. It's a fair question. The problem is that's

947
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: that number we just gave you about, you know, being

948
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: the most highly observed or surveilled. It's it's tricky. It's

949
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: number of cameras per person, but most of those are private,

950
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: so they're not looking out on the street. They're looking

951
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: out at the door of the business, the off license

952
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is their name for liquor stores that

953
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: I that, you know, so that they can identify a burglar.

954
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: They're not there to monitor traffic. Yeah, the traffic monitors

955
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: come much later and we're still talking. So you're absolutely right.

956
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: So without without going into the entire we would have

957
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: to do a mini series and all the screwy things

958
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: about this tragedy without going into it entirely, I have

959
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: to say, still, there's one big problem with this, which

960
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: is that there are other more certain ways to kill anyone. Yeah,

961
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be plastered all over the news and have

962
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: a gazillion photographs of it. What an airplane crash? But okay, yeah,

963
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: there would still be photos everywhere, but you wouldn't be

964
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: able to prove it, would be it would be easier

965
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: to just say, oh, it was an accident, I guess maybe,

966
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: or I mean, you know the classic tal as old

967
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: as time movie devices fake somebody's suicide. There was strife

968
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: in this relationship. They could have written off a princess

969
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: dies suicide. Yeah, say, I don't know, execute someone with

970
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: bullets in a car and then burn that vehicle and

971
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: still not as weird as the guy who uh got

972
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: who got his fixated locked up a duffel bag. Suicide. Yeah,

973
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: suicide is is a huge cause of death for intelligence

974
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: service operatives, and it appears but but yeah, I wonder

975
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: about that too. It seems a little bit not not

976
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: to be automatically dismissive. It seems first blushed, kinda Rube

977
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Goldberg esk, you know, unnecessarily complicated. It's why play mouse trap?

978
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Why introduce all these other variables? There are other people

979
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: on the street, it's a public street. Why flash strobe

980
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: lights or other devices at people just in the hopes

981
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: that there's a chance that it causes an accident, and then, furthermore,

982
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: hope that there's a chance that of the four people

983
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: in the car, one of the ones who dies will

984
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: be the person you're quote unquote trying to get Like

985
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: I can. I can see the sides of this, and

986
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: I can see how the details are screwy. But what

987
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: do you guys think? Yeah, I'm definitely with you. Occam's

988
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: razors pretty darn strong with this. Just the pressure that

989
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: the paparazzi was putting on on the driver who was

990
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: intoxicated or at least his his blood, especially when they

991
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: tested his eye fluid, because originally they were testing just

992
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, blood, they took blood symbols, they test that

993
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: for blood alcohol. But then they were using the I

994
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: figeret what they call it's not ocular fluid, but it's

995
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: your eyes, and that gave an even truer uh or

996
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: in in even harder to fake or introduce, like falsely alcohol,

997
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: right because of the way it travels through the capillaries

998
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: and everything to get to your eye. Um. Anyway, once

999
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: once that occurred, you can all in my mind he

1000
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: was definitely drunk. The driver on re and the paparazzi

1001
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: were definitely taking flash photographs, and they were definitely speeding,

1002
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: and you put all that together, in my mind, you

1003
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: get accident and and that to me is really all

1004
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: you need. However, it's not that I'm not intrigued by

1005
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: some of the some of the claims that Muhammad alf

1006
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: I had had. They all though seem to be coming

1007
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: or stemming from that Tomlinson character has he still has these.

1008
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: But it's like you said, Ben, I mean, it's grief

1009
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: manifests itself in all kinds of ways, and like you said, Matt,

1010
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: one of them can be I need someone to blame

1011
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: for this, and you can. It can become an obsession.

1012
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's something at the other end of that obsession.

1013
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just an obsession and it's like you're chasing ghosts,

1014
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're punching it shadows it. Also, regardless of

1015
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: what we think about this personally, it also absolutely does

1016
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: not help that for all all uh virtual, practical, forget

1017
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: it all literal purposes, the royal family is above the law,

1018
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There are no consequences and

1019
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: the you know, if if the um PR turns bad

1020
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: for them, they can just uh have like a Megan

1021
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Markle take over the celebrity news for a while and

1022
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: then some of the under leans and m I six

1023
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: will you know, will take the fall for it. Yeah,

1024
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: this is life without consequences. That's so it's it's pretty

1025
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 1: It absolutely doesn't mean that they were like, hey, why

1026
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: let's fake a suicide and then it doesn't mean it's

1027
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: one turned around was like, no, let's be weird with it.

1028
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: It just means that, um it just means that unlike

1029
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people on these this planet. Uh

1030
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: they would not go to jail for a murder. They

1031
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. Yeah, they would have plausible deniability no matter what.

1032
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: M I five and m I six do have licenses

1033
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: to kill. Remember we did an episode on that that

1034
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: was really depressed, not just a clever catchphrase. It turns

1035
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: out and we're no different. But thank you for checking

1036
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: out our show today. Folks. Let's let us know where

1037
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: were you when you heard about the death of Dodi

1038
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: fayede uh Ri Paul and Diana, Princess of Welles. Do

1039
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: you think it's an accident? Do you think there's more

1040
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: to the story? If so, what and why? Yes? You

1041
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram where we are conspiracy Stuff show.

1042
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: You guys have instagrams, right, Yeah, I'm at Embryonic Insider.

1043
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: You can find me in all sorts of strange misadventures

1044
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: at Ben Bolan on Instagram. So water slide into those

1045
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: d m s, right, I don't know how the go

1046
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it goes. Or you can find us

1047
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter or Facebook where we're conspiracy Stuff. You spend

1048
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of time at water parks, don't you, I

1049
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: really do. Everything's a water slide metaphor with you Sorry

1050
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff show. We're also we've got a Facebook group

1051
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: called Here's where it Gets Crazy if you want to

1052
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: deep dive into some of these topics. We always have

1053
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: thread that are incredible moderators make for every new episode

1054
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: where you can get in their message board style and

1055
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: hash it out talk amongst yourselves. We tend to lurk

1056
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: in there as well and chime in from time to time. Hey,

1057
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: are you listening to this on Apple podcasts or iTunes

1058
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Speaker 1: a favor write a review if you get a chance,

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Speaker 1: just a few minutes. It doesn't have to be very long,

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Speaker 1: be honest, tell us what you think. It really does

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Speaker 1: help us out that that would be very cool of you,

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Speaker 1: and we would appreciate it. And you've post you on

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Speaker 1: the internet. Is not your particular bag of badgers. If

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Speaker 1: you're more of an UH person who prefers to communicate

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Speaker 1: via audio, boy, we have good news for you. You

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Speaker 1: can call us. We have our very own phone number.

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Speaker 1: We are big time now, right, that's right. The number

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Speaker 1: is one eight three three S C D T K.

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Speaker 1: Just be cautious if you do call you may get

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Speaker 1: a call from me late one evening after editing in

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Speaker 1: recording all day a couple of he's deep just because

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Speaker 1: I thought your message was hilarious, So I apologize in advance.

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Speaker 1: Will you do a voice I always do? It's this one.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes. So let's say you've listened to that and

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, God, he's he s aren't ticking the boxes

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Speaker 1: for me. I hate the phone. It's guys, I totally

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Speaker 1: get it. I hate social media. It's obnoxious. We also

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Speaker 1: get that. Can't I just talk to you directly? You

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Speaker 1: shake your head like a person at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: an infomercial and say, there's got to be a better way.

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Speaker 1: Luckily there is. You can send us a good old

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Speaker 1: fashioned email. We are conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff they Don't Want you to Know is a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. For more podcasts from

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Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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