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Speaker 1: He owns a podcast every day, the Athletic Football Show.

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Speaker 1: His name is Robert May's Chicago based, and he was

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Speaker 1: so good last time. We're like, all right, let's just

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Speaker 1: rebook him. It's like the restaurant, you like, just bring

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Speaker 1: it back. Let's go again. So I said earlier today,

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Speaker 1: I said, what Ben Johnson essentially did. He just got

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Speaker 1: rid of the ridiculous They can now score in the

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Speaker 1: first quarter. They don't lose on Hail Mary's. The clock

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Speaker 1: doesn't run out, they run the ball and don't turn

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Speaker 1: it over. It's not wizardry. It to me last night

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Speaker 1: and the week before was like, you know, the giveaway

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Speaker 1: takeaway thing. They figured out a little bit and it's

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Speaker 1: just fundamentally more sound football. It's not Andy read play design.

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Speaker 1: To me, what do you see?

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Speaker 3: I think there's some of that coming.

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Speaker 4: What's more encouraging to me is that when you watch

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Speaker 4: the offense last year, understand Shane Waldron, none of it

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Speaker 4: made sense. The ways that they were using the individual

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Speaker 4: skill position players is the best example of this. They're

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Speaker 4: using Keenan Allen on vertical routes and they're using Roma

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Speaker 4: Dunese in all these change of direction ways. It's like,

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Speaker 4: what is your personnel do well? And just put them

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Speaker 4: in those positions, and so they have checked that box.

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Speaker 4: The run game structure looks good. I think some of

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Speaker 4: the details have been off over the first month, all

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Speaker 4: the penalties, the fact that you're missing like little assignments

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Speaker 4: here and there. But the overall plan feels like it's

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Speaker 4: well conceived. Yes, you feel the plan and you can

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Speaker 4: understand what they're trying to accomplish. There's intention behind it,

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Speaker 4: and that for somebody who watches this team every week

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Speaker 4: for a long time, it's a nice.

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Speaker 3: Change of plas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, we said, when your son's been getting d's,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to argue over a B minus. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was kind of a B minus performance.

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Speaker 3: And I was joking with a friend earlier this week.

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Speaker 4: All I want is to be like the sixteenth best offense.

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Speaker 5: In a week.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand why that's a huge ask, Like I

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Speaker 4: seems like we're trending in that direction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Caleb's funny, like he's got relationships are hard,

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Speaker 1: you know, like hardball and Herbert was easy because Justin's

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Speaker 1: like the nicest kid ever. It's ego lists and Jim

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Speaker 1: is almost as his age is almost parental. But Ben

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Speaker 1: is young and ascending, and this is his first big job,

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Speaker 1: and Caleb had a bad rookie year. I'm gonna argue

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 4: I mean the word that was used to me when

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Speaker 3: It's intense.

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Speaker 4: It is intense between them, but not in a bad way.

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Speaker 4: Intense where you feel growth, where the tension can be healthy.

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Speaker 4: And I think after his rookie year, Caleb needed that

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Speaker 1: So I use the example earlier of Mark Jackson and

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Speaker 4: I think that my biggest frustration with the Bills right

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Speaker 4: If we need to run the ball forty times, we can't.

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Speaker 4: That evolution has not happened on defense. All they're doing

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Speaker 3: They can't because of the way they're built.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the types of players that they

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Speaker 3: They're trying to recreate Mike ah Part, MIKEA.

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Speaker 4: coverages more than any team in the league. Well, all

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Speaker 4: And it's so funny that the Bill's offense figured that out.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be the dominant, We're going to be

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: The Bill's defense has never gotten there, and I think

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Speaker 4: you're seeing how that's holding them back right now.

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Speaker 1: So I was saying, Sean Payton texts me over the

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Speaker 1: last year about bow Nicks and it was a good

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Speaker 1: But Bo's not a great deep ball thrower so far,

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Speaker 1: He wants that, you know, I also do. I don't

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Speaker 1: feels to me that sean body language last week in

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Speaker 1: London felt frustrated. To me, Sean looked frustrated.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that you talked to him, because when he

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Speaker 4: I believe in this guy, Like I think this guy

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Speaker 4: can be a winning quarterback. But then you watch how

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Speaker 4: they approach the offense last week on third and four,

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Speaker 4: and then the construction and the decision making says another

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Speaker 3: And so I wonder how much does.

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Speaker 4: He actually believe in him if he's not going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I like Denver's roster. I think it's fantastic, Undeniably.

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Speaker 1: think you're seeing some of the limitations that bo had

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Speaker 1: stuff that's holding them back now some of the same

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Speaker 1: So I have defended Aaron Rodgers not much over the

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Speaker 1: Aaron is looking at this and like, we're not small

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Speaker 1: and twitchy. That's not what we are. We're gonna win

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Speaker 1: one on one matchups. We're so damn big. And he's

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Speaker 1: But when I watch them play, his risks are well

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Speaker 1: but it looks like the right play to me. What

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Speaker 4: I think you're missing the limitations down the road. That's

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Speaker 4: he's approaching some of these games. The Minnesota one is

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Speaker 4: But I think ultimately these guys who have super super

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Speaker 4: the best version of Joe Burrow that we've ever seen

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Speaker 3: Little bit more deeper into the play. You saw some

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Speaker 4: Eventually, you're going to need to do that against the

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Speaker 1: to the Raiders Robert I said, Okay, they've got nine

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Speaker 4: I think that's a really good way to look at it.

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Speaker 3: They threw everything at all of those guys.

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Speaker 4: We're going to figure out over this month what are

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Speaker 4: I honestly think they could do something at a perimeter

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Speaker 4: I'd be looking at my defensive personnel, whether it's safety, linebacker,

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Speaker 1: Robert May's the athletic football show, great podcast. Do it

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Speaker 1: every day so it's consistent. Really appreciate you stopping by anytime.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's start with this Bill Belichick drama in

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Speaker 7: Chapel Hill.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, last week was a rough one, a lot of

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Speaker 7: reports that maybe he was gonna leave, be one and done.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 7: Belichick spoke to everybody yesterday. Here he is at the

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Speaker 7: podium talking about it.

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Speaker 8: Some of the reports out last week about my looking

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Speaker 8: for a buyout, trying to leave here and all that,

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Speaker 8: it's just categorically false. Is zero truth to any of that. Uh, Glad,

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Speaker 8: I'm here. We're working towards, uh, you know, our goals.

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Speaker 8: It's a learning curve. We're all in it together. But

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Speaker 8: we're making a lot of progress and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 8: the process will eventually prove the results that wanted to produce,

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Speaker 8: like they have everywhere else. I've been.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 7: Jeff, by the way, did his did Jordan approve that

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Speaker 7: outfit at the podium, He for the first time at

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Speaker 7: UNC kind of looked like an old.

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Speaker 2: Frumpy guy, hair, a little disheveled.

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Speaker 7: This was a throwback to the Patriots, right, He's wearing

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Speaker 7: like a Carolina gray sweatshirt.

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Speaker 2: He looked kind of old there, Colin, Well.

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Speaker 1: He is, and that's you know, that's that's he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a makeup artist, so you know, sometimes it gets

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Speaker 1: a little choppy when you get up in New Year seventies.

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Speaker 7: He's dating a twenty four year old. He's got to

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Speaker 7: look a little better than that. I'm wondering if this

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Speaker 7: pressure is getting to him. Colin a lot of shots

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Speaker 7: at his boy Michael LOBARTI who you and I know

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Speaker 7: I don't want to text Lombardy now he's going through it,

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Speaker 7: but it feels like things are nicy. And is it

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Speaker 7: the calm before the storm? There was a storm last week.

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Speaker 2: Now it's calm.

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 7: Whoever they're playing this week, nobody cares because I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think he'll get through the season. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what plays out. Oh that's as much as I'll commit to.

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Speaker 7: Okay, let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. One of

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Speaker 7: the most famous owners in the NFL, Jerry Jones ducked

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Speaker 7: the media very cowardly after the loss to Carolina, and

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Speaker 7: all the sudden, the discussion shifts from Jerry to Matt Eberflus,

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Speaker 7: the embattled defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: You know him.

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Speaker 7: Well, here's what Jerry said about Iberflus.

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Speaker 5: He's had tremendous experience. He's dealt with adversity, with a

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Speaker 5: long record not only with US, but with his tenure

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Speaker 5: at Chicago in Annapolis, and he's had some great successes,

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Speaker 5: had some very great successes, but he's had his tailcake.

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Speaker 5: That's who. I won't end the Foxell with me because

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Speaker 5: there's no such thing as having all the answers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm just giving Jerry a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a pass. I think this staff has overachieved. I

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Speaker 1: think defensively, they weren't good last year with Micah, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be too harsh this year without him.

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Speaker 1: You knew you were going to lose the trade until

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Speaker 1: next April. I listen, last year, come on, yeah bad

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Speaker 1: last year. They've also played you know, they got Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: in Week one. Philadelphia was good Week one. You know,

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Speaker 1: They've they've faced Bell. They'll remain near the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the NFL offensively, But I think we knew going in

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Speaker 1: this was not a Super Bowl team with Micah. So

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Speaker 1: now they're not trapped. Now they have two first round

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Speaker 1: picks over the next two years, I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be fine.

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Speaker 7: They've faced Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields, and

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Speaker 7: they're dead last in almost every category defensively. Colin, if

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Speaker 7: I'm eber Flues and I get a whiff my jobs

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Speaker 7: in trouble, I.

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Speaker 3: Go tell you know what I tell the media.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you know Jerry Jones decided to wait and

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Speaker 7: pay our quarterback a billion dollars. You can't build the

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Speaker 7: defense when you pay Dak Prescott that much money. And oh,

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Speaker 7: by the way, then you trade away our best defensive player,

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Speaker 7: Michael Parsons, so we can't pressure the quarterback. We got

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Speaker 7: nobody in the secondary. This is on the owner, guys.

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Speaker 7: You can't, as a chef, hand the chef just random

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Speaker 7: ingredients and say, hey, make me a Michelin star meal.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that, Colin.

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Speaker 7: The ebra Flus has no chance here and this defense

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Speaker 7: has zero shot. I mean, Bryce Young dog walked them

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Speaker 7: for three quarters. Okay, that's all you need to know

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Speaker 7: about this Dallas defense right now.

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Speaker 2: They're that bad.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's Jerry's fault.

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Speaker 7: You're giving them a pass.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to pass. I just I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to resign Micah, so I'm gonna live with the results

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Speaker 1: for the next three months.

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Speaker 7: Okay, final story, Colin. You know we talked a lot

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Speaker 7: about the Bills last night. No love for Michael Pennix.

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Speaker 7: Michael Pennix was slinging it all over the yard through

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Speaker 7: for two point fifty and a touchdown. Probably should have

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Speaker 7: had a second touchdown if Drake London doesn't step out

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Speaker 7: of bounds at.

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Speaker 2: The end of the half.

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Speaker 7: I didn't love this though. After the game, Pennis talking

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Speaker 7: to the media, you know, very speaking very highly of

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Speaker 7: himself and his team.

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Speaker 9: I don't feel like we played our football, you know,

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Speaker 9: I feel like we have more in a taint and

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Speaker 9: and for us to go out there and I win

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Speaker 9: that football game with the half the second half that

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Speaker 9: I feel like we had that that was a big law.

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Speaker 9: I feel like it's gonna be a scary sight whenever

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Speaker 9: we finished figure it out, and you know, all play

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Speaker 9: together and play play a full full game and not

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Speaker 9: just one go half, so that we we wanted to

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Speaker 9: know was in fact, this team is really good. This

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Speaker 9: team is really legit.

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Speaker 1: Well, Drake London, Bjeon Robinson are And here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: When Michael Pennix has time to throw, he throws a

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Speaker 1: beautiful ball. I mean, I thought last night he looked

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Speaker 1: really comfortable. And there's not a lot of great defenses

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Speaker 1: in this league. Kansas City's got a great defense. Name

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Speaker 1: the other great defenses. Rams defense is really good. There's

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Speaker 1: not seven great defenses. There's none in his division. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I watched it last night, and you

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Speaker 1: know they're they're top picks, Pennis, Bijon, Drake London, they're playmakers.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitch has been a career disappointment. But this is

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Speaker 1: a this is a functional offense, and I think I

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Speaker 1: think Michael Pennix looks the part. I think he's exactly

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Speaker 1: what I thought he would be. When he has time

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Speaker 1: to throw, he throws a beautiful ball. It's accurate, he

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Speaker 1: gets rid of it quickly. He's a pro franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting you bring that up. So they don't face

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Speaker 7: good defenses. You know who they got this week is

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Speaker 7: the San Francisco forty nine ers out of players on

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Speaker 7: Sunday Night football.

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Speaker 1: But the only problem is.

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Speaker 7: It's outdoors indoors. That Atlanta team look like a track team. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Bijon and Drake London. Drake London's established himself, you would

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Speaker 7: say as a one, right, he looks like a stud.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, so you got a one.

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Speaker 2: You got Jon.

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Speaker 7: I like Algiers, a change of pace back, I like

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Speaker 7: Penix the defense show.

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Speaker 2: Well, are you starting to believe.

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Speaker 7: In the Atlanta Falcons call and the team that loves

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Speaker 7: to let you down?

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Speaker 1: I think offensively they're a very interesting team. I mean

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Speaker 1: they they they beat who do they beat? Thirty nothing?

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Speaker 7: Now they lost thirty nothing to the Falcons. That was

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Speaker 7: their hiccup there what everything that could go wrong went

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Speaker 7: wrong in that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's it looks like a grown

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Speaker 1: up NFL offense with a lot of play. Even the

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Speaker 1: Bjeon Robinson run, he got tackled and he broke the tackle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And these sensational.

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Speaker 7: Players, don't forget in the opener they had Tampa beat

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Speaker 7: and their kicker whiffs on like a forty five Yard

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Speaker 7: are at the buzzer or I don't know, maybe they're

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Speaker 7: they're considered better.

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Speaker 2: Than the Bucks right now.

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Speaker 7: I'm just telling you, if you're buying stock, you obviously

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Speaker 7: want to buy last week before the Bills game. But

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Speaker 7: this is a Falcons team schedule not that difficult. Okay,

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Speaker 7: we like Pennix quarterback on a rookie deal. I know

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Speaker 7: they got the dead money and cousins, but things are

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Speaker 7: looking good for my Falcons.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by the herd lot.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking an hour ago. I said, Blake

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Speaker 1: Snell was so good last night, historically good. He didn't

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Speaker 1: struggle the previous innings and he was at one hundred

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Speaker 1: and two pitches. I would have just pitched them in

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Speaker 1: the ninth because I didn't think it was a great

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Speaker 1: spot to put a rookie pitcher Roki Sazaki on the mound.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a great spot. If I

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Speaker 1: was going to pitch him in the NLCS, that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure. I wouldn't want him facing a Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: lineup that gets contact. I wouldn't want him being on

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Speaker 1: the road in Game one A pivotal game. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want him having to go on the mound as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: After Blake Snell's performance and Blake's on the dugout steps

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Speaker 1: watching you, I felt. I felt Rokie was a bit

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Speaker 1: intimidated by the moment. He did not have great stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I would have just I would have kept Snell in.

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Speaker 1: I think in playoff baseball, just win the game, do

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Speaker 1: not worry going forward, let itself figure itself out. But

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Speaker 1: here here was Blake Snell on being pulled last night

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Speaker 1: in the ninth crossing your fingers for the win, and

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Speaker 1: his reaction, I feel like you get it done the night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought I could have. I trust Dave,

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Speaker 3: he knows what's best for the team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's Dave Roberts on pulling him and was it tough.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a tough one for me.

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Speaker 10: Hadn't been in the ninth inning, eight ups potential going

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Speaker 10: on regular his next outing. I thought it was fifty

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Speaker 10: fifty rookie s meant on the baseball really well, have

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Speaker 10: a two run lead. I felt good with rookie there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you know again, so Dave Roberts is saying

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Speaker 1: it's fifty to fifty. Like I get analytics, I'm not

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Speaker 1: anti analytics. I do think playoff basketball analytics don't feel

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to stay. I think analytics

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Speaker 1: and basketball and baseball are for a volume. I think statistically,

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Speaker 1: for volume, they work. But in playoff baseball, you'll use

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Speaker 1: starters in the pen. You're going to manage differently because

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Speaker 1: you're facing the best batting orders, high leverage situations. You'll

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Speaker 1: trust guys in June against the Reds that you may

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Speaker 1: not trust against the Brewers in Milwaukee. So I think

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Speaker 1: you manage differently. I think in the NBA, the refs

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Speaker 1: don't blow the whistle in the playoffs, so you're just

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Speaker 1: your stuff that works in the regular season when teams

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Speaker 1: are not equally arrested, you just play the percentages. In

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Speaker 1: the regular season baseball and basketball postseason it's more situation circumstantial.

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Speaker 1: So I would have just pitched. I would have pitched Snell,

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Speaker 1: but it was fifty to fifty and they pulled it out.

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Speaker 1: It was wild though Snell was just that change up.

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Speaker 1: It was insane. Milwaukee could not get bat on ball.

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Speaker 1: He faced an eight innings the minimum twenty four batters,

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Speaker 1: and there was some stat about nobody done that since

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Speaker 1: Don Larsen. So I always think life. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you're a kicker in the NFL and all these guys

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Speaker 1: play three and a half hours and you go up

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Speaker 1: to kick it to win it, the pressure on delivering

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Speaker 1: for the brotherhood, for your guys. How'd you like to

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Speaker 1: be a closer? You literally followed a Sandy Cofax level performance.

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Speaker 1: You're a rookie, You're on the road, It's Milwaukee, in

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Speaker 1: front of a hostile crowd, and you go up and

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell's on the dugout steps watching you like that

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Speaker 1: is enormous pressure, and I thought Roki wasn't quite ready

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Speaker 1: for it. So great games though. They play again tonight,

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Speaker 1: Game two tonight.

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Speaker 7: J mc colin, you remember, I think was oral Hever

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Speaker 7: Sizer at eighty eight. I'll never forget. He was so

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Speaker 7: good in that playoffs in the World Series. He was

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Speaker 7: on the cover of Sports Illustrated. That was my introduction

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Speaker 7: to the Dodgers. I haven't seen anybody as good as

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Speaker 7: him since last night. Blake snow he was that good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Mariners have taken a convincing You might

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Speaker 1: as well shut that series down. A convincing too Love

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Speaker 1: lead on the Toronto Blue Jays. Very exciting to nil,

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Speaker 1: too Love nothing.

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Speaker 2: Are you playing tennis again?

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Speaker 1: Bagel? So exciting for the Mariners, So exciting for the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners. Hey, get used to it. This is where

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be for the next week, two weeks,