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Speaker 1: We could have played together, and I can say that.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. That hit was one of

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: have a legend on today's show. Hall of Famer, super

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Speaker 2: Bowl champion, former Defensive Player of the Year, nine time

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Speaker 2: All Pro man. The list is long. Eleven time Pro bowler,

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Speaker 2: not just the dB. I played safety, kick return, punt return,

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Speaker 2: did it all. Two time interception leader in the National

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Speaker 2: sixes in NFL history with twelve. It's my honor to

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Speaker 2: welcome Rod Woodson to the show. Appreciate you joining.

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Speaker 1: Me, man, I appreciate you having me on. Sure.

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Speaker 2: It's my absolute pleasure. You are an absolute legend. Seventy

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Speaker 2: one interceptions in the National Football League. I mean, Dick

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Speaker 2: I got to go back and look at some of them.

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Speaker 2: Dick Knight train lane, but seventy one like that was crazy.

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Speaker 2: You got drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in eighty seven,

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Speaker 2: stepping into that old school Steelers culture. What was your

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Speaker 1: Ooh, shoot, that was like that was my first game

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Speaker 1: I held out so my rookie year. It was eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: scab players, so to speak. So the holdout and then

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Speaker 1: I didn't sign my rookie contract until October twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: so only played about five six games, seven games. When

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Speaker 1: all these dudes can run. Everybody can run football league.

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Speaker 2: And that's it's such a hard lesson for you to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I never it was kind of crazy, Sharon,

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Speaker 1: It was like, hey, Pete, let you do it.

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Speaker 2: He said, hey, you can do this, but if it

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Like, if it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You haven sit down abolutely. And but you know that's

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Speaker 1: You're not a great back color, you know, but you're long.

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Speaker 3: And that was me.

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Speaker 2: That was a conversation sometimes in those rooms is hey,

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Speaker 3: It that way. But he's better at this than you guys.

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Speaker 1: Right. See that's a good see. That's that's what I love.

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Speaker 3: So did you did you hop to? Why?

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Speaker 3: I was narrow hopped a why okay?

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Speaker 1: And then heck, I think the following the following year,

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Speaker 2: Wow, See that's that's that was another huge That's a

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Speaker 2: I got to raise up. So when I got to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's a real good point right there.

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Speaker 1: I never heard of it, said like that.

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Speaker 3: That's what is That's how I got us.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that saying I was chilling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It worked.

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Speaker 2: It worked for me, and ever since then, my press

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Speaker 3: So they can't do all that, Like, no, let's go now.

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Speaker 1: You're right because that because he taught did he did?

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Speaker 1: He teach you, guys, what is a pure step?

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Speaker 1: Is that what he called it?

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Speaker 2: To bail, and so we would. We would usually only

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Speaker 2: our cover. Three philosophy is, hey, if you single, if

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Speaker 2: you got a single receiver, no, no two displaced, even

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Speaker 2: you're you're pretty much in man your man. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: press man like he runs a fade. You got him,

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Speaker 2: come back, you got him, dig you got him everywhere. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you got two displaced, you have to bail because

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Speaker 2: It's either going to be a dig or a post.

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Speaker 2: whatever you guys call it, right, and I'll probably pick

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Speaker 2: that or you know what, I mean, we had such

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Speaker 2: cover three in what we were doing so many different

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Speaker 2: Even when we're in man, You're like, hey, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: Asks your questions. So if you guys were in displaced

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Speaker 2: Rare? We started to do it later on in our

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Speaker 3: So there's not a space.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you know I like that because it's good

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's the old like when you go to

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Speaker 1: That to me, that's when you're find really good. That's

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Speaker 2: And we would bastardize it too at times, like if

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Speaker 2: Gronk up the middle, and we'll deal with it later.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a call for this. This isn't how

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Speaker 1: No, see, I like that, and I like coaches. To me,

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Speaker 1: allow you to be you and make your calls. Because

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Speaker 3: And that's the beautiful part of defense.

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Speaker 2: You had seventy one picks, Like what what that's I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think I led the decade with thirty seven in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I would do inside of uh,

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Speaker 1: And I would take like three steps at eight yards

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Speaker 1: that soft squats what we call it, we would call

433
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Speaker 1: I could take that up to like fifteen.

434
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Speaker 3: Yards fifteen ten to fifteen that one day, take it

435
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 3: up there.

436
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: So I mean I would do all kinds of crazy stuff.

437
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: I would play. I would, I would stay. I would

438
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let the receiver and the quarterback see me

439
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: pressed or being off and say, oh, he's gonna do this,

440
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: and be like, none, you don't know what I'm gonna do,

441
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna something doing something something, I'm an quick

442
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: jaremy something? None, Somebody don't act like I'm gonna do it.

443
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bail. Then I'm gonna stop again. And so

444
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: I had I try to make them think more. And

445
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: then I had in my head and I had four

446
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: formations in my head and okay, they're going these four

447
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: information as soon as they come out, I'm gonna look

448
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: at my safety and just no. And he's like, if

449
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,239
Speaker 1: they'd run, they better not run that route. Like, if

450
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: they run that route there, it's over. I meany had

451
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: some teams that run the route, and I got them

452
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: and I remember Green Bay Brett Fire's first start. They

453
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: ran every every time stirring sharp was on the weak side,

454
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: back was off set far away from the tight end

455
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: offset far they would swing the back and he would

456
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: always run a curl curl, run a curl on the backside.

457
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, way, if they run, that is over.

458
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: Got me double moved tuxdown. Then I go back. I

459
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: think it was like four series later. I muffed a

460
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: punk and then they know. Normally, when when you know,

461
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: when you make a mistake, you try to recover. You

462
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: try to write next play slug o touchdown. Oh so

463
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: it's like so you know they can use that against you.

464
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: But the one thing I try to always do in

465
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: which I had Tony and the coaches that I had.

466
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: It just allowed me to show different things like we

467
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: would sometimes we would we would cloud reduce splits we

468
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't have to. Sometimes we would cloud it. I'll become

469
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: the safety. The safety had come down and be the corner,

470
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: and they let they let us do it right, you know,

471
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: because they knew we were comfortable in making these calls.

472
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: And heck, listen, at the end of the day, even

473
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Speaker 1: though I was a kit corner, my safeties are bigger

474
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: than me, righta better you know, they were better track there,

475
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: so to speak, than I was, So why not put

476
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: him in cloud? If it's right?

477
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you played for so many great defenses. I

478
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: mean that two thousand Ravens defense is still one of

479
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: the best defenses of all time, and they're always in

480
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: that conversation. We were having this debate online, you know,

481
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen Broncos defense and then the Legion of

482
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Boomar twenty thirteen defense, like which one was better? And

483
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: obviously you know which one, I fail was better? But

484
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about that Ravens defense, there's no

485
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: conversation that doesn't include the eighty five Bears to two

486
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: thousand Ravens every single time. What made that defense so special,

487
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: you think.

488
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: Man's you know what? It was the growth that we

489
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: had over the first two years. Shurm Like I first

490
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: got there in ninety eight, and the first year we

491
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: were like six and ten or something. Crazy. Second year

492
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: coach retires, we get Brian Billy could come in. Martin

493
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: Lewis is the dec coordinator. Martin Lewis was in Pittsburgh

494
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: with us, right, So we're running the same defense that

495
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: we hused to run in Pittsburgh, but it was four

496
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: to three instead of a three to four, right, So

497
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: we had to do some some things kind of like

498
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Bastard eyed some of the form some of the defenses

499
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: on the backside because of our our defensive end instead

500
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: of outside linebacker. We had to do that. But I

501
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: think what made us good is that Ray came into

502
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: his own Like Ray became he was making plays. He

503
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: was already a tackler, right, Like you know when I

504
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: first got there, Ray was, I think he was. He

505
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: loved the team and tackles every single year that his

506
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: first I think treat three years, and he kept getting

507
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: better inside of the game. Make did He started making

508
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: big plays in these big games. But I think what

509
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: really made us good is, to be honest, is that

510
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: we had leaders across the board. So we had leaders

511
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: up front. We had Sam Adams, Tony Share, Goosa, and

512
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: everybody knows Goose because Goose was so crazy and silly

513
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: and and he tall crazy. Everybody but Sam Adams. That

514
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: dude can get it. Sam Adams can get it. So

515
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 1: having a guy that's three thirty and another guy us

516
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: three fifty sitting there in the three technique and a

517
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: two technique, you couldn't move them, so you couldn't run

518
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: the ball against this. So defensively, as a defensive back,

519
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: you know do we had Chris McCallister and Duane Starks

520
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: at corners, and then the other safety was Corey and

521
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Kim Harris, so you know, they would rotate back and forth.

522
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: But we didn't worry about the run game. Like if

523
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm in the Corey, yeah, I'm a part of the

524
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: run game. But if I ain't part of the run game,

525
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't need to come up because they nobody run

526
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: the ball against this, right, I mean sharing we had

527
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: five games we didn't score a touchdown on.

528
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: I saw it.

529
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: I saw it was a stretch too, and we won

530
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: three of I mean, so we could score on defense,

531
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: and we knew how good we were. Like I knew

532
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: when we played the New York Giants and Super Bowl, said, man,

533
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: you do can't be those man if they get across

534
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the fifty yard line. So so the Giants beat Minnesota

535
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: Vikings to a really good that year, and they had

536
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: some ballers, Like I was a little nervous going as

537
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: Randy Chris Carter and Autumn dudes. I mean, they had

538
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: some players over there on the Minnesota Vikings offense. I

539
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: was a little nervous. Me and Ray were up there Monday.

540
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: So that that first week we're looking at tape a

541
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: half go by, We're looking at that Minnesota Giants game.

542
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: We're like, we looked at each other, said, man, if

543
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: they get across the fifty, we quit.

544
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: We ain't good.

545
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Ain't we ain't good? And they got across the fifty

546
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: one time from a kid return. So we're like, we

547
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: just had confidence in who we were. I mean, like

548
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: you guys with the leading the boom, you guys had swag, right,

549
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: you knew you were good and you knew you're like

550
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are going to change courses of

551
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: games making Dick plays knock of people. I remember, man,

552
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: what was your safety was a strong safety? Cam Chancer, Yeah,

553
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: hit the tight end for the hit the tight end

554
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: from Sam Cisco by the goal line. Yeah, man, he

555
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: hit him. I felt it on TV. I was like, dall, dude,

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go back Like if I'm him,

557
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back.

558
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: In There were so many plays like that, and on

559
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: that play it was raining that day. I will never

560
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: forget because they they ran. We used to call it

561
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: like an RNX beater, so condensed X split. He goes

562
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: to run a pick route on the linebacker that's covering

563
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: the tight end, and the tight end wheels around and

564
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: runs the gop and so he took Crabtree. I'm covering

565
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: Crabtree and he picks off Malcolm Smith and then Vernon

566
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: goes up the sideline, but Cam read it quick. So

567
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Cam's in middlefield safety, he's on he's on course, and

568
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: it was raining and I somehow saw the sweat getting

569
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: knocked off that man's face. Forget the rain, forget the

570
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: water from the rod. Saw the sweat getting knocked off

571
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: and it was a legal hit, but the riff through

572
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: the flag and I and I said, ref, I see

573
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: why you threw it. It was legal now, but I

574
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: see why you threw it. I mean I I was

575
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: ready to throw a flag and I was on his team.

576
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Man, I mean that hit was one of the most

577
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: vicious hits I seen. I don't I don't think people

578
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: even thought about it too often. But man as a player,

579
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: when he hit him, I said, oh, bro, don't he ain't.

580
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: He don't want to play no more.

581
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: He don't want to play. We played him in the

582
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game that year and he ran a crosser

583
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: and people talk about the way Cam hit uh uh

584
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Demarius Thomas in a in a championship in the Super Bowl,

585
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: but he hit Vernon the same way. In the NFC Championship.

586
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: Vernon was running across or shallow cross and we ran

587
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 2: a robber and they picked off the man cover him

588
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: and he came down as the robber and he and

589
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: didn't even Vernon fumbled the ball.

590
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: Cam didn't even look at it.

591
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: He went to do it in celebration and we were like, hey,

592
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Vernon not want to play, He don't want to be

593
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: out here with this man like and to what you said,

594
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: like that was the year Denver broke all those records

595
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: and Peyton had all those records.

596
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: And he's throwing the ball all over the yard.

597
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: And we watched the tape and what we saw was

598
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: they weren't running anything super complex. They were getting people tired,

599
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: and they were lining up fast. They were in a

600
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: hurry up, and guys couldn't get their calls, they couldn't

601
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: get the checks. And then they're running slap flat, they're

602
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: running curl flat, they're running uh drive basic like simple

603
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: stuff like hit seven. They're not running complicated offense. But

604
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: when you're not lined up and you're confused and you're tired,

605
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: fatigue will make cowards of us, all right, And so

606
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: we just ran gassers. We ran gassers from from the

607
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: beginning of that week, because you got two weeks. From

608
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: the beginning of that week all the way till we

609
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: got to New York for the Super Bowl, we were

610
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: running gas. We were like, hey, they're not running us

611
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: off this field. That's one thing you're not gonna do, y'all,

612
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: not running us off this field. Y' don't have to

613
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: beat us. And we run a super we rarely huddle anyway,

614
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: So it's not like y'all gonna catch us between We

615
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: rarely go to the huddle. We look, we running when

616
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: we running, and can y'all deal with it? Like y'all,

617
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: y'all not gonna be confused by what we're doing. Y'all,

618
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: We're not gonna be confused by what y'all doing.

619
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: Line it up.

620
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: And I remember they were on like a maybe a

621
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen play drive and Damarius and Eric Decker

622
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: tapped out of the game. And when I tell you, Rod,

623
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: I called them everything in the book. On their way

624
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: to the sideline, I said, y'all in the Super Bowl

625
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: and y'all tapping out like this, third down, y'all bringing

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: in these backups? Third down in the Super Bowl, and

627
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: y'all down like y'all not built to win this game.

628
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: Y'all not built to beat us. Y'all know, y'all know

629
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: where y'all shouldn't even be out here with us.

630
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh see, that's what that's. I mean, that's that. But

631
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: that's and it's you know, people say, oh, that's arrogant,

632
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: but it's not, because it's a fine line between confidence

633
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: and arrogant, and I say, you walk that line like

634
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: the great teams always walked in it, like right, Like

635
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't a real talker, but all my boys were,

636
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: and we all he backed it up though, Like when

637
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh, we had some we had some

638
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: freaking defenses. In Pittsburgh, we blitzed everybody, right, And then

639
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: when I got to Baltimore, we had that year in

640
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Baltimore where we were like that was one of the

641
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: best defense arguably in the history.

642
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: Of in the history of the game. Right, So ten points.

643
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: A game, and we and we knew how good we were,

644
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: and we talked. I mean I didn't talk a whole bunch,

645
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: but all my boys talked, all of them, all of

646
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: them talk And I was like, see, hey, hey, y'all

647
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: feel that. I mean, if you thought, does that still

648
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: get you going? Nothing? Is it? And that's what fires

649
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: you up? Then go for right, you know? And then

650
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: and then the coaches let us do.

651
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: It because and I would say, our defense was a

652
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: bunch of quiet, like Cam didn't talk a lot, Earl

653
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: rarely talked. Bobby Wagner was on that team, like it

654
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: didn't really talk that much. I was probably the loudest,

655
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: but they were all like, hey, I'm with him now,

656
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Like what I'm with what he said. So if that's

657
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: where y'all want to go with it, that's where we're going. Like,

658
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm not shying away from what he said. I just

659
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: don't need to say it. But and Nty, I want

660
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: to talk about ninety five because that was a crazy

661
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: season for you. It was like you tore your acl,

662
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: rehabbed all throughout the season, and then came back in

663
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Like what was it nineteen weeks or

664
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: something like that.

665
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean it was the first game of

666
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: the season going against Barry. The crazy thing is, man,

667
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I did some stupid stuff like I would. So we

668
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: played on the astral to old astro turf, right, and

669
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: normally when I played on the Asshrol turf, I would

670
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I would break my shoes in my game, the shoes

671
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna wear that week, I would wear them

672
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: throughout the week so they can like fit my feet.

673
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do that that week. That's the first I

674
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: didn't do it. It was just stupid. So it was

675
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: overly hot first game of the year, Barry Sanders. You know,

676
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm like this little dude right here, man like we

677
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: got everybody got to come into him because he everywhere.

678
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: So he breaks out on the right side. I plant

679
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: and man, my foot got stuck. I try to turn

680
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: and you known't. Normally, if like wear the shoes I

681
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: should have been at my foot would have turned with me.

682
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: That things It's great. I jumped up, felt the pop

683
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: good thing is mat I Bill Cower was cool as

684
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: all get out as a head coach because Bill back

685
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: then Sheran. If I would have went on ir, I

686
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: was done for the year. It wasn't coming out. And

687
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: so we met with the doc on Monday and Doc

688
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: said it's gonna be eight He said it's going to

689
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: be like eight to to ten weeks. I like, right,

690
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: so I'm counting, and he said it could be up

691
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: to three months, four months, could be up to six months.

692
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm counting the shortest period of time, right.

693
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's September, October, November December. I can

694
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: get back, right. I was like, coach, just give me

695
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: a shot. And luckily Colonel Lake don't get a lot

696
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: of love. But Colonel o' lake played outside linebacker U. C.

697
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: L A And came in, played strong safety, played our dime,

698
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: played our nickel, moved the corner when I got hurt,

699
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: play balled out the whole year. Wow. I was blessed

700
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: that nobody else got hurt that year, because anybody else

701
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: got hurt in the secondary. He had to put me down,

702
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, And so he gave me. He gave me

703
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: that green light. He left the light at the end

704
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: of the tunnel for me, and uh. I got to

705
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: play in the Super my first Super Bowl. We didn't win,

706
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, because in three Super Bowls I played in

707
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: and my quarterbacks threw eight interceptions. So you don't win

708
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of Super Bowls that way, right, But I

709
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: at least got to play in it. And I still

710
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: give Bill all the love because he gave me that

711
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to even try to come back, to motivate me

712
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: to come back. So you know, yeah, I heal fast normally,

713
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: but Bill gave me the opportunity to get out there.

714
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: I only play like eighteen plays in the game. In

715
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: the game then they weren't getting an eleven personnael a

716
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: whole bunch. I only went out there in sub package,

717
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: and that's the only time I got on the field, I.

718
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: Think, and just talking about that, like, how how different

719
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: do you think you'd be in today's game? You know

720
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: where they it's it's so much different. And I love

721
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: I love the old school, and I love all we

722
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: were talking about before we got on on screen, about

723
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: Mel Blant and Lester Hayes and Mike Kynes and just

724
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: the guys who really fundamentally changed this game, and yourself included.

725
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: But it's such a different game than you guys played

726
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: because of the way they protect the quarterback. Like not

727
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: to say they weren't protecting them back then, but back

728
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: then you might have a quarterback half concussed in that game,

729
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: might have been close lined two or three times in

730
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: this game, drive on his head. In today's game, boy,

731
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: they're kicking half the defense off the game if they

732
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: if they land on him wrong, you know. So I

733
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: just feel like their comfort level and that's why the

734
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: accuracy numbers are through the roof and passer ratings through

735
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: the roof, because they don't they're so so afraid to

736
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: make a mistake. They'd rather throw the ball out of

737
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: bounds fifteen times than throw an interception. You know, I

738
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: think back then quarterbacks are like, hey, whatever it takes

739
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: to win. We're gonna sling it around the yard and

740
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: try to get a win. Now they're like, hey, if

741
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: we don't win, cool, as long as I don't throw

742
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: five interceptions.

743
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a couple of things sharing

744
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: with that, Like, Okay, first of all, you know, we

745
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: sued the league to get free agency, So it started there, right,

746
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: So we sue the league free agency. And then the

747
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: league was being very dishonest about CTE concussions, right, so

748
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: they got a lossuit with that, And so where are

749
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: we at today is because of those two things. Right

750
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: when you or you sue your employer, it's going to

751
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: happen where they're going to openly protect themselves and capacity. Right,

752
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: So that's where the league is at because of the

753
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks are protected in the pocket, I'm the pocket.

754
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: Receivers are protected over the mirror of field. They I mean,

755
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: they you gotta you gotta let them catch two feet

756
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: turn and then you can hit them. We heck, it's

757
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: two foot already caught the ball, so you know, so

758
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: that's one. Secondly, man, you know I knew you watch ball.

759
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the fundamentals are gone. The fundamentals in

760
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: football across the board is gone. It's not the same

761
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: game that we played when you talked about you know,

762
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: like everybody plays with the buttet of the sideline, right,

763
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: but you could do it well, right and you and

764
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: you you knew you could do it. All these guys

765
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: can't do it right. There's no nobody back cuddles anymore.

766
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: So it's the the game is it has changed. It's

767
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: changed because we did have those lawsuits. But what makes

768
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: me more disappointed? And I'm glad the guys are making money.

769
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: And let me say that, I'm glad they're making money,

770
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: right that generational wealth they can give to their kids

771
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: and their hopefully their kids and their next generation. I'm

772
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: hoping they can keep doing that. But man, like where

773
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: is the professionalism in the game, Like where's the foundation

774
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: built at the position? Like I just don't see, Like

775
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: you see, did players come through and they might have

776
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: two or three good years, but they ain't gonna have eight, nine, ten.

777
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: They don't even want to play ten years anymore. Right

778
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: at eight in shoot, they got enough money for the

779
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: rest of their lives in the next couple of generations.

780
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, I think you're absolutely right, like

781
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: thinking about like where the game is at, it's a

782
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: little softer, and think about this. I don't know when

783
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: you first came in how many how long were you

784
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: in training camp?

785
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: Two weeks? Two and a half.

786
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: So when I first came in, when we was five

787
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: weeks right banging two days and I mean, we're you're

788
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: going through it. And then probably the end of my

789
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: career because I played seventeen. At the end of my career,

790
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: we were one on one off, one on one off.

791
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: We were probably about twenty days in the training camp.

792
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: So I mean, now is what sixteen days, seventeen days

793
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: of training camp? You got what? Uh they got how

794
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: many times they could put on shoulder pads with seventeen

795
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: or something.

796
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: Like thirteen seventeen during the season ending something like that.

797
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: So they don't really get there every hit and tackle,

798
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: but you still should be able to formed you used

799
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: we used to call it ThReD up, like like I'm

800
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna be in my sweats. But if the running back

801
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: of out here he getting his shoulder right like he

802
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna'm gonna protect yourself, he's still getting it and he

803
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: better cover that ball up because we're gonna be poking right, So.

804
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: I see that's that was the thing I think we

805
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: we we kept going is is we were hitting and

806
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: and we took so much pride as a defense because

807
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: we had so many great players. I would think there's

808
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: three or four Hall of Famers on that defense. I mean,

809
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner being being the most obvious one. But like

810
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: we would tell Pete, don't run ones versus ones because

811
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: we're not gonna let them move the ball.

812
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: We're hitting everything moving.

813
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: And if you want, that's why we lost so many

814
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: practices and all that and offseason, because he would he

815
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: would in OTAs you know how they say, hey, let

816
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: him catch the ball, And like, we not built like that, Pete,

817
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: were not letting nobody catch this ball. Were not let

818
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: And if you gonna show highlights and do all the

819
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: things you do and try to hype this offense up,

820
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna break the next to dislodge this ball. So

821
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: if you want to avoid that, send us home, send us,

822
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: send a defense home, and then you guys can run

823
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: normal practices. But while you're out here doing it like

824
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: this and you're trying to show us up, you're gonna

825
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: get somebody hurt. And that's what would happened. We be

826
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: on that offseason and you got broken collar bones and

827
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: broken arms and broken this, and it's like.

828
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: You know what, Sharon, but you know, you know what

829
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: I hear from you though. You guys took leadership in

830
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: the locker room. M hmmm, because it's your team. Yeah,

831
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, right, Pete, they head coach, but it's your team.

832
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: M hm right, And that's how we felt like we felt. Yeah, listen,

833
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Chuck Roe was a coach, you know, Bill Carr was

834
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: a coach. But it's our team. It's our We're gonna

835
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: practice away. We need to practice to win. And if

836
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: you don't like it, you know, Chuck would. Chuck was

837
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: old school, So Chuck was like, she, hey, guys, get hurt,

838
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: he gonna we're gonna go ten yards down the field

839
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: and huddle up. It's like, if you know then Bill

840
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: was kind of the same way, because Bill's that you know,

841
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: most defensive coaches are kind of old schoolish and it's

842
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: some type of mindset, right, So Bill was kind of

843
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: like that. But once you go to the OTA one

844
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: and O T A two's and O T A three's,

845
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it puts you in a different

846
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: mindset because you're always in the building. Because you know,

847
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: when I first came in, it wasn't no. I mean,

848
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: we had a whole bunch of our all seasons. I

849
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: did on my own workouts. OTAs every everybody's in the

850
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: building every single day. They're working out, they're doing the

851
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: little things. So it is a different game. But the

852
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: what I what I like about you, You remind me

853
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: like we could have played together. And I can say

854
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: that I don't say that lightly, like when I like,

855
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: you got to be a baller to be able to

856
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: play on that Steeler team or the Railers team, you

857
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: gotta have that. You gotta have that mindset, just like

858
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: yours your leading a boom. You got to have a

859
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: certain mindset to put to be a legion of boom.

860
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: You can't come in there soft mind it. You'll run

861
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: them out. You'll run them out the field like mak

862
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: it ain't no, you ain't the part of the legion

863
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: of boom.

864
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: Wen right, you ain't built like that.

865
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 5: No.

866
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, so that's what I like about your

867
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: your teams because we were so much alike. And when

868
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: you start going from the different generations, every good defense

869
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: all thought alike. The mail blunt and he talked about

870
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: the steel curtain. You talk to me and Joe Green

871
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: could me. Joe Green was our defense line coach when

872
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: I was there. That dude wouldn't mean. He's like, we

873
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: should watch the eight milimeter film when I first came

874
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: in the league, and if the defensive line did something wrong, though,

875
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: he would throw that projector against the wall and you

876
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: could hear it, like, because you know Tony Quiet, Tony

877
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: his room is right next to the line room. Tony

878
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: he talking to us, but he ain't yelling Josh Joe.

879
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: You can hear man. It felt like like AC units

880
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: were hitting walls. I ask, this dude is grave, I

881
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: said that. And if he was any as a coach,

882
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: he was like that. I said. As a player, I

883
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine planning against the dude. And but being

884
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: in the locker room with him being a locker, he's

885
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: gona hold everybody countible. So I think all the great

886
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: defenses over the general all have certain a certain trade,

887
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: and that one trade is, hey, we about that business,

888
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: mm hmm.

889
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: And it's a standard, and it's a standard you live

890
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: up to every day. And I think that's the whenever

891
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: I talk to people, and I talk to young guys,

892
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: and people want to be great defenses. I say, like,

893
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: there's an accountability that has to be there, that's inherent.

894
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: That there's no disrespect, that you got to disrespect anybody

895
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: or any anything like that. There's always love in it.

896
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: It's always hey, we have the same goal in mind.

897
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 2: So when you're holding each other accountable, it ain't no MFIs.

898
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: And you want because these grown men you're dealing with,

899
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: you know you can't play like that and expect to

900
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: get a good result. But men that desire the same

901
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: thing and hold the same standard can accept accountability and

902
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: coaching from one another. They can accept, hey, I need

903
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: better from you right there in order for us to

904
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: get to where we're getting. You don't have to be

905
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: like hey, what are you doing on that play? It's like, hey,

906
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: you just got to look at him like come on, now,

907
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: you know we Hey we better than that. Huh, come

908
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: on we at next play. I can't wait to see

909
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: you on this next play because they got you messed

910
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: up if they think that's about to happen again, Like,

911
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: I know you better than that, right, And I think

912
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: the standard that we held ourselves to every day. And

913
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: I'll give Earl Thomas a lot of credit for his

914
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: practice habits because he practiced like his hair was on

915
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: fire every day. And so when you see that and

916
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: it's jumping off on tape, you have to match it.

917
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: There's no like, hey man, look at him. He's doing

918
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: a great job. I hope he plays like this that

919
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: game day. It's like, no, I'm like that too, Like

920
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm there too, and I'm i'm I'm at the ball

921
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: and we're punching at it, we're smacking at it. If

922
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: he gets interception, I need to get too, like we're

923
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: and we're competing in that way within the scheme, within

924
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: the confines of winning football. And when you do that,

925
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: it just makes for a beautiful product. And I appreciate

926
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: it being able to play with those guys and having

927
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: like minded people. And I'm sure you feel the same

928
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: way with everybody in your building and the defenses you

929
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: played on. When when guys are tied in going the

930
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: same way, it's a it's a tough thing to stop.

931
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: It is and not got Like I said, I think

932
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: there's so many different traits that carryed from generations, from

933
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: every defense that when you start talking about these good defenses.

934
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Everybody had the same mentality, the same mindset. But the

935
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: one key is you policed yourself. I didn't need my

936
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: coach to tell me, right, I police myself, and we

937
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: police each other like we'd be like, hey, I mean,

938
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: it's like, sometimes you get in arguments with each other.

939
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: That's what families do to right, family. Hey, sometimes you

940
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: get on each other, but you love each other at

941
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day. And that's what That's what

942
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: I've always seemed to learn from listening to the you know,

943
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: the purfle people eaters, the Orange Crush, the Steel Curtain.

944
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, I guess we've I guess we're called the

945
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: Bullies of Baltimore, right, you know, leads in a boom,

946
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: All those good, great defenses over the course of time,

947
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: all have a certain trait. And that one trade is

948
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: every time we come to work and we crossed ourn

949
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 1: white line, it's about work. We're gonna play like we're

950
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: gonna practice this, like we want to play on a

951
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: consistent basis. And that's what I mean. That's the reason

952
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: I love wing you guys play, because man, you guys

953
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: brought the wood you brought. I mean, it was watching

954
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: you guys play was like a reminded me of our teams.

955
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: And when I when I give love to other defenses,

956
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: it's not no, it's not tongue and cheap. It's like

957
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: true respect it because you don't see it that often.

958
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: It comes from right once in every ten or so years,

959
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: those type of defenses and in the different different generations.

960
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: But man, the way you guys played man, it was

961
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: fun to watch some dudes. Man.

962
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that, and that's why

963
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: I get.

964
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: I get so frustrated with this man versus zone debate

965
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: with people where they're like.

966
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: Oh, this corner played all man, he was better.

967
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: It's like, first off, not anybody in the league that's

968
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: playing straight man in this day and age. It's not

969
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: nobody because and it's not because they can't. It's because

970
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: the rest of the defense can. Like there may be

971
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: individual corners that can play man ninety percent of the

972
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: time and be fine, but can your linebackers play man

973
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: all time? Can the safeties play man all the time?

974
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: Because if they can't, then that's not good defense. And

975
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna put them in those positions to figure it out.

976
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: And so you know, that's one of the frustrating things

977
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: because they'd be like, oh, you were one of the

978
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: best zone corners, Like no, I was just one of

979
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: the best corners, like I played at all. I played

980
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 2: whatever they called on the play, and I made it work.

981
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: And I wanted to hear your thoughts on that.

982
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: I think because remember when we first started talking, you said,

983
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: let's I'm three and cover three. If I'm the x dB,

984
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm playing, I'm on the X side. Right, I'm playing man.

985
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: It's been a man. I'm up and outside I'm man.

986
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: Now he runs y'allocross. I ain't chasing him, right, I'm

987
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: crawling across, but he's gonna be reducedblit to be gonna

988
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: run yall across working, or he's going to be you know, Honi,

989
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: that's the only way you can get to it. So

990
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: to me, you know, having those arguments about zone call,

991
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: like you know, when people say zone, I said, listen,

992
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: great defensive backs can do it all. I could plays

993
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: a flight. I didn't play man. I played man zone.

994
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: I did it my way. The great players can do both,

995
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: and the great defense can do both. It's hard to

996
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: just just say okay, we're all zoned, Well, you're gonna

997
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: be all cover two and just play cover two all day.

998
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: You can't do that. So I don't think people when

999
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: people make that statement, I don't think they understand football

1000
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: because the thing there's versions even though you're inside of

1001
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Even though you might it might be a zone call,

1002
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: you got a concept of man somewhere on that zone

1003
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: call unless it's a condensed split. If it's condensed lip,

1004
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: then we're probably playing the true zone, right because where

1005
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: we're backing up a little bit, we're gonna let everything

1006
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: that like unfold and then we're gonna match it right right.

1007
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: That's that's Other than that, there's always a version of

1008
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: of playing the zone, of playing man inside of each

1009
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: one of their defense, each defense. So you know, saying

1010
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: what that is. What I'm a fan of is ballers.

1011
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: Can you can you play ball? Can you play deep?

1012
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Can you make play? And what I really like is

1013
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: like making plays on the ball, Like when the ball

1014
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: goes up, that's my ball and thing to receive a ball,

1015
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: that's my My mindset was always like that interception, first

1016
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: PBu second tackle if he catch it. That's how I

1017
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: thought me too, right, like in the Great to Me

1018
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: when you talk to the great deep mel Blunt. That

1019
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: was the same way, Lim Barney, the same way, Dick Lebo,

1020
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: the same way. All the great defensive backs have that

1021
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: mindset where that's all mine, man, when it goes into it.

1022
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: I got the same right to the ball as a receiver.

1023
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: I can't climb on his back and all that stuff,

1024
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: I get it, but I still got the same right.

1025
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: So what we used to teach was, Hey, Tony used

1026
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: to teach us, if if you make contact with the

1027
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: receiver the same time the ball get there, that is

1028
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: not passing appearance. And I was like, really, So we

1029
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: used to do a drill on the big dump tackling

1030
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: dummy where he throws the ball right on the side

1031
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: edge and we used to come up with our shoulder

1032
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: pad and going through the ball right and so because

1033
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: it gets used to the contact because normally DB's drop

1034
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: the ball when they're making contact with the receiver and

1035
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: trying to catch the ball at the same time. We

1036
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: used to do that drill over and over and over.

1037
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: We did too. You did the drill.

1038
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't ever see anybody do that drill anymore.

1039
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris christ Shard had us do it all the time,

1040
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 2: and it would it would be the point of contact

1041
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: drill or point of whatever, the point of contact whatever

1042
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: they called it, point of attack. And either you go

1043
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: for the PBu or you go for the pick, depending

1044
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: on the time you make it.

1045
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: But go for the pick until you can't.

1046
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean see that to me is that's how

1047
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: you get good. Really, dbs who can make the contact

1048
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: still get interceptions. Most dds get PBUs And may be

1049
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: talking about people and listen, I love people run. I say,

1050
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: game changers get picks, right, like when the ball touched

1051
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: your hand, you got to pick.

1052
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: So in today's game, what dB has you like? Has

1053
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: you enthralled and infatuated with his game and how he's

1054
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: playing a position with the way you think about it.

1055
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: I like, I'm a stall likes your ten like I

1056
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: mean long, can run, can make plays.

1057
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: I means to like.

1058
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Wooland you know, with Seattle, I like Gonzales, I like Mitchell,

1059
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I like sting Lee, Donn Houston. There's a lot of

1060
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: players that I individually like, but the defense like Mike,

1061
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Mike brought that like that dog to back to Seattle.

1062
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1063
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: But watching Houston Texan defense like them dudes, them dudes

1064
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: remind me of you guys because they was knocking cats out.

1065
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is this is leading to

1066
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: boom two point oh because they hitting everybody moving mm hmm.

1067
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, And so I mean I like watching those

1068
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: type of games where defenses are flying to the ball

1069
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: and laying cats out and if they get the flag,

1070
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: they get a flag. Like, so it ain't gon too,

1071
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: that's not going to need tour me that I'm gonna

1072
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: play fast, you know. But so I've got a group

1073
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: of players that I really like to watch, but I

1074
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: really like to watch complete defenses, like just male offenses,

1075
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: because it's a little harder to do in the day's

1076
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: game because everybody is overly protected on offense, right, So

1077
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: it's harder for the dbs to do that. And then

1078
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: they just got to figure out how the rest are

1079
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: calling the game that day and how they're gonna play

1080
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: inside of the game.

1081
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's the hard part because it's so

1082
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: subjective in this this day and age. But if you

1083
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: were building a perfect modern day dB, what are three

1084
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: traits that are non negotiable?

1085
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: Ooh, My three traits are non negotiable toughness mm hmmm. Uh,

1086
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 5: I guess grid is kind of like toughness.

1087
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 6: So so toughness, uh my negotiable toughness short, I cants.

1088
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: Uh, shoot, that's a great question.

1089
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: You can you can encompass anything.

1090
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: You can encompassate a football IQ, ball skills, speed, athleticism.

1091
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: So the toughness the football not playing in a box

1092
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: like if if that makes sense. I know it's not

1093
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: a it's not a one word or one trait, but

1094
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times we live in this box and

1095
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: the defense tells us this is x y Z, this

1096
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: is you know, you got your one third corner, you

1097
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: got two to one to two to displays, blah blah

1098
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. And we live in that, right,

1099
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: the great ones don't live in there. You're right, right,

1100
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: And so you try to find those guys who understand football.

1101
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, football is a

1102
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: simple game. It's not easy to play at a high

1103
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: level on a consistent basis. Right if you go back

1104
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: to and I'm answer, I'll get you. I'll give you

1105
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: the third treatment once I make a statement. But go

1106
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: back to Pop Warner when we play plot born in football,

1107
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: the football goes to the right side. Every players over

1108
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: on the right side with the ball. And as we grow,

1109
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: especially defensively, you're gonna your coaches are gonna say, I

1110
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: need you in the middle of the field or your

1111
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: defensive end. You can't bowld early, you can't do this,

1112
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: you can't do that. I need you here, I need

1113
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: you there, I need this. And we get some the

1114
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: most of the players, ninety of those players are gonna

1115
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: get locked in and saying if I have to do

1116
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: this because my coach is telling me to do this,

1117
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: mm hmm. But the real good ones, sir, got a

1118
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: filter in their head. I remember, I remember Rob Russ

1119
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: guy told me, he said, hey, listen, coaches are going

1120
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: to say a lot of different things to you. Listen

1121
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: to them, look out mile at him, and in your

1122
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: head if you want to say shut the half up,

1123
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: say it in your head, but don't say it to

1124
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: the couch. And he said, but always smile at him.

1125
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: So anytime I don't you say something that I really

1126
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't agree with, I'd be like, yeah, I got you

1127
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm like after that, like I'm going

1128
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: out do ball. So to me is like, try to

1129
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: find that guy that that can play outside the box

1130
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: and make plays for you. That's just that's that's one

1131
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: of the things you're always looking for. And then I

1132
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: think thirdly, ball skills, because the balls matter. I mean,

1133
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: getting the football for your team matters. So pbu's are great,

1134
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: But man, getting interceptions changes the dynamic of football game

1135
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: because it can if you don't score, it shortens the

1136
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: field for your offense with the probabilities of them scoring increases.

1137
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: Right, And and that's the part I think that's going

1138
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: away from playing dB in the league at least corner

1139
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: like they're not taking a ball away at the level

1140
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 2: that he used to be taken away.

1141
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: Would they take bad angles? I mean, it's if you

1142
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: really watch it. If I'm really being honest, when I'm

1143
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: watching games weekend and week out, because you know, I

1144
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: call the game for the Ravenas and I'm watching the games,

1145
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I really get frustrated of guys not knowing how to play,

1146
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: Like don't you see your angle? Do you not see

1147
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: where you're at? Do you not know like your split rules?

1148
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Do you not like you don't see that? And then

1149
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: in their heads and then obviously they don't because they

1150
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: do it over and over and over. But the problem

1151
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: is sharing. If you think about it, there's a lot

1152
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: of young coaches out there, not saying that they're bad coaches, right,

1153
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm staying that they're still good. But I learned from

1154
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: all my ogs. They are older coaches that been through

1155
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: the riggers, that' been through it, and they taught me

1156
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: all the nuggets that they learned over the course of

1157
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: their time frame, like being a human being. They a

1158
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: thirty year old rod and a sixty yeard ride. I'm

1159
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: way wiser at sixty than I was at thirty. Right,

1160
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: That's what we get. And I think that's what happens

1161
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 1: in foot that's what's happening in football because we've gone

1162
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: so young in coaches, but we're young in the lead too, right,

1163
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: So you know, starters or if you're a first rounder

1164
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: or second rounder, I mean you're starting, you're playing, you're

1165
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: getting a lot of reps and heck, I know. I

1166
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: mean when I came in the league, man, I was

1167
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: I was getting bonded over bag Dad. I mean, I

1168
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: was getting.

1169
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: Got you can't you can't learning.

1170
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: I was learning, but I was still getting God. And

1171
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: it took me a little while. The kid going I

1172
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: mean if if if I was into the league today,

1173
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh I do is a bust exact

1174
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: part he's a bus because we don't give these kids,

1175
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: like I always say, you got to give them three years.

1176
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: The third year should be the year you should see

1177
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: glimpses and flashes the first two. That third year should

1178
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: be that and some some guys you can see it

1179
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: in the second year, right, I think you should. We

1180
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: should give kids at least three years to like try

1181
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: to get through this whole thing and to learn the game.

1182
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: But also hopefully the coaches learn more and they can

1183
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: give it to the players. You know. You know my

1184
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: biggest thing with the really good players of that man

1185
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: just don't live in the box.

1186
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: Bro.

1187
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Like when you talk to Troy Palamonlo, you talk to

1188
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: every they didn't live in no box. They didn't live

1189
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: a no box. I remember, I was like we were

1190
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: playing Sea or were playing the Raiders. When I was

1191
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: with the Ravens, we covered three. Tim Brown is a

1192
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: shallow cross, and now I'm covered three. Now I don'tuposed

1193
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: to take the shallow cross. Ridge gannon like this though.

1194
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: I took off and by the time I got to

1195
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: the other side of the numbers. He hit me in

1196
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: the chest with the ball touchdown. It was like a

1197
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: twenty yard touchdown. I come to the sideline and Marven's like,

1198
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: you can't jump down. I said, coach, you was looking

1199
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: at Aim. They was looking at em like, hey, so

1200
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: you know to me getting those players who still know

1201
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: how to play and are willing to play inside of

1202
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: their system, those are the guys. Are those generational players,

1203
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: like players like you who can make plays, like the

1204
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: leading a Boombo, guys who play with you, who can

1205
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: make plays. Those are the type of players you're trying

1206
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: to find, and they're hard to find.

1207
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really hard to find because that's a sensitive

1208
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: balance because like like that's why people don't understand.

1209
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 3: They're like, you guys are just playing Cover three.

1210
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: It was it's like you don't understand how many times

1211
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: we broke that to create interceptions, like, hey, it's cover three,

1212
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: but hey two and three are vertical. It's three by

1213
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: one twos vertical. The over route took the safety, the

1214
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: safety bent on that twos wide open. I leave one

1215
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: wide open to go pick the seam of two. Not

1216
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: because that's the way it's written. Because the way it's

1217
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: written the safety probably should have been leaning there and

1218
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: then you know, force the ball somewhere else. But that's

1219
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: not how it always happens on the field. And to

1220
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: be able to see it and react to it in

1221
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: real time and correct the mistake and create a turnover

1222
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: and a position where it would have usually been a

1223
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: touchdown because of mistakes, that's what difference makers do. And

1224
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about something else before I

1225
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: because I want to take your whole day up. What

1226
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: do you think of this whole Max Crosby thing, like

1227
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: he was a Baltimore raven for like five seconds.

1228
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: Now, Tree, I mean, I did a podcast talk about

1229
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: what the Ravens got, you know, uh, and how good

1230
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: he can be with the Ravens if nony mad A

1231
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: BK comes back. I'm like that. I was blown away

1232
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: because I didn't see the news and then I got

1233
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: a text from one of my dudes in like Max

1234
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: felt the physical I like, right, I'm like, I was like, well,

1235
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, it's just, I mean, very unfortunate

1236
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: for the Ravens and for Max, because I think Max

1237
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: wanted to have a kind of refreshing moment to go

1238
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: somewhere where else and played football, so that that's you know,

1239
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: I know, it's frustrating for him. Unfortunately, hopefully he finds

1240
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: he gets healthy again, whatever it might have been, whatever

1241
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: his body's going through, he gets healthy again. Just unfortunate

1242
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: that the Ravens didn't get him, because if the Ravens

1243
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: would have got him, and I don't know where Nominde

1244
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Metabk's at with his recovery from with his neck injury,

1245
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: and if he came back, oh man, that defense would

1246
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: have been crazy.

1247
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 3: Did you did you hear what happened?

1248
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: No?

1249
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: They picked up Trey Hendrickson.

1250
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, So I saw trade.

1251
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: I saw trade, so so trade and had He's had

1252
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: ten more secks than Max over since twenty nineteen, so

1253
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: I think that's but they had to keep those picks.

1254
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: That was when they lost Lennenbaum and they lost Likely

1255
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: and they lost all these people. I think that's what

1256
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: what cost him. I think they they had a They

1257
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: could have went either way with Max Crosby. I mean,

1258
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: they knew what he was, they knew where he was

1259
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: and his recovery coming back regardless, like they had already

1260
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: talked to Elatrosh. You didn't need to bring him in

1261
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: to see. But I think once free agency started to

1262
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: go and they started to see that, hey, Trey Hendrickson's

1263
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: market is going to be what it is and we

1264
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: could potentially get him and then keep our picks.

1265
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh you think they you think they were that they sung?

1266
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 3: That's what people are saying.

1267
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: Who you know? Because this is what I said. This

1268
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: is what I said when I thought the deal was

1269
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: going through. What they're gonna get Max? Because I said,

1270
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: the only way it makes sense to get Max if

1271
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: non no Metabiki is coming back, but Anami's not coming back.

1272
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: You need a dtackle, You're gonna need a center. You're

1273
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna need another tight end, you need another receiver, right,

1274
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna need you. I mean the interior defensive front

1275
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: rushing wise, rush wise was lacking last year. So I

1276
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: was a little surprised about that.

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Speaker 7: Unfortunate, but I that's a that's an interest way of

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 7: looking at it, though, Like if they if they saw

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Speaker 7: how it was unfolding, because my thing is giving up.

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Speaker 1: Those pigs because you need them, you need them, You

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: need those pigs. The only way you give them up

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: is that Nomi is coming back. But if nomb wasn't

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Speaker 1: or he's still question mark. You still need you still

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Speaker 1: need office alignment, right, I mean Lennon Baum, he was

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Speaker 1: the anchor of the center outside there. I mean Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 1: I get that. But you know, Lennon Malm was a

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Speaker 1: baller likely Lee's, you know. So I mean it's it

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Speaker 1: would be that's that's an interesting take because I saw

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Speaker 1: that in but I never thought about it like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the way it's being perceiving. That's the

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01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: where my brain is seeing it is saying, hey, we

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01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: could get him, we could get a comparable player. I

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: think they think Trey Henderson, a guy who's been in

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Speaker 2: their division, who has been very productive and great player,

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: comparable to Max Crosby. You can, you know, argue with

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: somebody else about who's more valuable. But I think it's

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01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: it's close enough that they say, hey, we keep multiple

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: first round picks that we can use to strengthen our

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01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: team and get the same player without losing the picks.

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Speaker 2: Like that, that's a that's a home run. And all

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Speaker 2: we got to do is is have a little bit

1302
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Speaker 2: of a black eye in the public for a second,

1303
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: like we gotta we gotta deal with a little bit

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: of turmoil that hey, we backed out of a deal

1305
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: and and our word isn't as good as it used

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked that this Ravens were going to give

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Speaker 1: up two picks because it's not what they do, right,

1310
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Speaker 1: That's not who they are. So I was shocked about that.

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Speaker 1: Then I was like, Okay, Crosby, I get it. Dudes,

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Speaker 1: a baller, he got that dog inning. He can be

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Speaker 1: a closer because if you look at the last several years,

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Speaker 1: they've lost a lot of games in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: where they didn't make plays for him. So I kind

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Speaker 1: of get it. But if Nambi's not coming back now,

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Speaker 1: that's a head scratcher move for me. But I kind

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Speaker 1: of like what you're saying. If they saw how everything

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 1: was unfolding in the free agency market and Trey, yes,

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Speaker 1: Trey's inside of the inside the division already, they knows

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Speaker 1: what they're getting because the one thing that lacked from

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Speaker 1: the Ravens last year was past rush consistently right right,

1323
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean didn't have it consistently. Now they got Green,

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: Mike Green, who I think is going to be really

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: good player. But then if you bring you bring Henderson in,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like, you bring Crosby in, you

1327
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: got nom Day, you got another couple of young guys

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Speaker 1: on the other side, even van Ney. Then you got

1329
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Speaker 1: some players and you're deepens followed again, right, But I

1330
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. But then you know one

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Speaker 1: thing I liked at the end of the day. They

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Speaker 1: keep their picks.

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Speaker 2: They keep their picking and they and they need them

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Speaker 2: this year and they need them to actually competitive. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Rod. This meant a lot to me, man,

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Speaker 2: this was a great conversation. I've been looking forward to

1337
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Speaker 2: this for a long time. I appreciate you joining me.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to take up the rest of your day.

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: I think we could talk to five hours about fo I.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what, man, anytime, Bro, anytime. I got much

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Speaker 1: respect for you, Bro. I love what you do. I

1342
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: love I love you on TV. I love your takes

1343
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: on TV. Anytime you want me on on on your show, Bro,

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: you hit me up, I'm on.

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate that that. We definitely gonna hit you up

1346
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: because I love to do it. We can talk ball

1347
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: over day. I want to do this again.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I tell my you know, and I

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: tell my wife for all the time I said, I

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: know a little bit about a lot, but I know

1351
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 1: a lot about football.

1352
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: I know a lot you and you're a brilliant football

1353
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: mind and I love to hear your thoughts about it.

1354
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: So we got to do this again, no question about that.

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Speaker 1: Most love for you, brother as always.

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Speaker 2: You guys could be anywhere in the world, but you're

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Speaker 2: here with us. We had an incredible guest, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have incredible guests all all season long. So stay tuned.

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