WEBVTT - The Bomber Mafia

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything about Curtis Emerson. Le May begins with his love

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<v Speaker 2>of airplanes in his memoirs, which are otherwise written in plain,

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<v Speaker 2>straight ahead prose. There's one moment of pure poetry. Suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>in the air above me appeared a flying machine. It

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<v Speaker 2>came from nowhere. There it was, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>catch it. It was nineteen ten. Le May was five.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in the backyard of the struggling neighborhood where

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<v Speaker 2>his family lived in Columbus, Ohio. He goes on, children

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<v Speaker 2>can muster enormous strength in ideal and idea in all

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<v Speaker 2>their effort to grasp the trophy they desire. And nobody

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<v Speaker 2>was holding me back. No one was standing close to say, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just a little child. That airplane is away up

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<v Speaker 2>there in the air, and no matter how fast you run,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't keep up with it. You can't reach high

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<v Speaker 2>enough to seize it. I just thought that I might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to grab the airplane and have it for

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<v Speaker 2>my own and possess it always. So I lit out

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<v Speaker 2>after it. Little Curtis ran across neighbors, backyards, vacant lots,

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<v Speaker 2>down sidewalks, then it was gone. It's wonderful sound and force,

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<v Speaker 2>and the freakish illusion of the thing, a thing made

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<v Speaker 2>of wood and metal, piercing the air. He went back

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<v Speaker 2>home and he wept. Reading that made me think, oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>of something I wrote years ago about Wayne Gretzky, the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest hockey player of all time. His parents remember that

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<v Speaker 2>when he was not yet two years old, long before

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<v Speaker 2>he knew much about the game of hockey, Wayne would

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<v Speaker 2>sit right in front of the television when a hockey

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<v Speaker 2>game was on. He was enraptured, and then he would

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<v Speaker 2>cry and cry uncontrollably when the match was over, because

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<v Speaker 2>he could not understand how something so sublime should have

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<v Speaker 2>to come to an end. That's Curtis le May running

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<v Speaker 2>after the flying machine in the sky. Something about that

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<v Speaker 2>particular object, that act of flying, perfectly fit the contours

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<v Speaker 2>of his imagination, and from that point on, the airplane

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<v Speaker 2>was everything. My name is Malcolm Glapwell. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. Over

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<v Speaker 2>the next four episodes, I'm going to tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>of Curtis le May and what he did on a

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<v Speaker 2>cold night in March of nineteen forty five. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a love story about what happens when someone falls head

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<v Speaker 2>over heels for a magnificent piece of machinery and a

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant bit of technology, and what happens when that love

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<v Speaker 2>starts to cloud every other human consideration. The events I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about all took place a lifetime ago,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the Second World War, but everything

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<v Speaker 2>about le May's story seems very modern to me, Mostly

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<v Speaker 2>because everything about lem May seems very modern. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I've decided to devote so much of this

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<v Speaker 2>season to him. It feels like he started something that

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<v Speaker 2>we're still in the middle of. Le May was a bulldog,

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<v Speaker 2>thick through the chest, oversized, square head, hair parted triumphantly,

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<v Speaker 2>just a shade off the middle, A brilliant poker player,

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<v Speaker 2>a crack shot. He was an innovator, utterly without fear,

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<v Speaker 2>a mind that moved only forwards, never sideways, rational and imperturbable,

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<v Speaker 2>and incapable of self doubt. Were he alive today, he

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<v Speaker 2>would be in command of some high tech powerhouse, crushing

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<v Speaker 2>all competition, seizing the future. I find myself sometimes falling

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<v Speaker 2>for Curtis le May because of his many gifts, his

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<v Speaker 2>logic and rigor and commitment and resolve in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of the longest of odds seem like things we need

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<v Speaker 2>more of right now, not less. There is a chance

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<v Speaker 2>you will fall for him too. And all I can

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<v Speaker 2>say is that if you do, try to remember the

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<v Speaker 2>following fact. If you make a list of the people

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the most civilian deaths in the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>at the top are Stalin and Mao, and Paul Pott

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<v Speaker 2>and Hitler. The familiar names not too far behind, uncomfortably

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<v Speaker 2>close behind, is Curtis Emerson, lament.

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<v Speaker 3>Or as a mini national business. And you want to

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<v Speaker 3>kill a lot of people, no way of getting around it,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean moral commander tries or minimize as sam possible.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, the best way of minimizing as getting a

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<v Speaker 3>war over as quite as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>In its earliest days, the US Air Force was not

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<v Speaker 2>a separate branch of the military. That wouldn't happen until

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<v Speaker 2>after the Second World War. Back in the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>the Air Corps, as it was known, was a combat

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<v Speaker 2>division of the army. It existed to serve the interests

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<v Speaker 2>of the ground forces, to support assist a company. The

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<v Speaker 2>legendary Army General John Blackjack Pershing, who commanded the American

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<v Speaker 2>forces in World War One, once set of airpower that quote,

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<v Speaker 2>it can of its own account, neither win a war

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<v Speaker 2>at the present time, nor, as far as we can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>at any time in the future. That's what the military

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<v Speaker 2>establishment thought of airplanes. But in the years between the

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<v Speaker 2>World Wars, a small group of airmen began to challenge

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that airplanes were superfluous to winning a war.

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<v Speaker 2>The group was centered at Maxwell Airfield in Montgomery, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 2>at what was called the Air Corps Tactical School. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in this group had once been that little boy who

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<v Speaker 2>spotted a plane in the sky and ran after it blindly.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in love with planes. They gave themselves a motto,

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<v Speaker 2>proficamus morey irritanti, We make progress unhindered by custom. They

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<v Speaker 2>thought that technological advances in aviation were about to revolutionize

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<v Speaker 2>warfare forever. And they weren't talking about fighter planes, the

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<v Speaker 2>romantic daredevil pilots who engaged in dog fights with the enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>They had disdained for small planes. They were in love

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<v Speaker 2>with bombers. They looked across the ocean at Europe and

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<v Speaker 2>the threatening noises being made by Germany. And they said

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<v Speaker 2>a fleet of long range, high flying bombers could do

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<v Speaker 2>so much damage and would be so difficult to defend

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<v Speaker 2>against that the Air Corps could win a war all

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<v Speaker 2>by itself. The group of insurgent pilots at the Air

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<v Speaker 2>Corps Tactical School were known as the Bomber Mafia.

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<v Speaker 4>They were a group of individuals coming together to construct

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<v Speaker 4>ideas about applying the technology of bombing at the day

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<v Speaker 4>in order to win a war against Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the historian Robert Pape who wrote a book called

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<v Speaker 2>Bombing to Win about the origins of many of the

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<v Speaker 2>ideas taught at the Air Corps school. The Bomber Mafia

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<v Speaker 2>gave lectures to select groups of officers arguing theorizing and.

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<v Speaker 4>They are not really investigating the psychology of bombing. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not investigating the sociology of bombing. They're not really even

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<v Speaker 4>investigating the politics of the bombing, that is, the implications

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<v Speaker 4>the bombing would have for population, societies and for governments.

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<v Speaker 4>What they're really doing is focusing on what the technology

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<v Speaker 4>of the bombing of the time, what target sets it

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<v Speaker 4>would allow the bombers to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>In one of the most famous Tactical School lectures. Major

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<v Speaker 2>Muir Fairchild gave a two day presentation in April of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine on what a single bombing attack on

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<v Speaker 2>New York City could do to America's will to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Fairchild was a charter member of the Bomber Mafia. He

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<v Speaker 2>would later rise to number two in the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, imagine that Germany and the United States are

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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of a brutal land war in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Germany decides to take out New York Could they do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Fairchild says, easy. Wait, so they have a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hypothetical scenario, and do they imagine that a group of

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<v Speaker 2>well equipped bombers could bring the United States, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least New York City to its knees in an event

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<v Speaker 2>of any kind of conflict.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely. The bombing that they're focusing on are number one,

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<v Speaker 4>the bridges. Number two, they have the bombing of the aqueducts.

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<v Speaker 4>The bombing of the aqueducts is important because what they

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<v Speaker 4>want to do is they want to cause massive thirst

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<v Speaker 4>in the New York population. They basically want to create

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<v Speaker 4>a situation where there's almost no potable water for the

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<v Speaker 4>population to drink, and then number three, they target electric power.

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<v Speaker 2>In his lecture, Major Fairchild argues that the aqueducts are

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<v Speaker 2>the most obvious of targets. Then there's the power grid.

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<v Speaker 2>Fairchild directs his students to a chart the aerial bomb

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<v Speaker 2>versus traction electric power in the New York City area.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>We then see that seventeen bombs, if dropped on the

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<v Speaker 2>right spots, will not only take out practically all of

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<v Speaker 2>the electric power of the entire metropolitan area, but will

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<v Speaker 2>prevent the distribution of outside power. Seventeen bombs could bring

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<v Speaker 2>the most important city in the world to its knees.

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<v Speaker 2>The old idea was that you would just bomb the

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<v Speaker 2>whole city, reduce it to rubble with wave upon wave

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<v Speaker 2>of costly and dangerous bombing attacks. Fairchild's point was, why

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<v Speaker 2>would you do that. If you could use your intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>and the best of modern technology to disable the city

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<v Speaker 2>with a single surgical strike.

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<v Speaker 4>You would put amazing stress on the quote will of

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<v Speaker 4>the enemy, meaning the civilian population, which was already under stress.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they just led to the conclusion that the

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<v Speaker 4>civilians would crack and demand an end to the war.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they really thinking of the air force? In this

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<v Speaker 2>thinking and this teaching as the primary arm of the

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<v Speaker 2>American military in this kind of conflict.

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<v Speaker 4>They're certainly thinking that the bomber alone or airpower alone

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<v Speaker 4>is going to win the war. And what they're thinking

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<v Speaker 4>king is that it's going to win the war and

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<v Speaker 4>prevent mass carnage like occurred in World War One, where

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<v Speaker 4>the armies clashed together year after year after year, and

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<v Speaker 4>millions and millions of people died in the meat grinder

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<v Speaker 4>of the trenches in World War One.

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<v Speaker 2>For thousands of years, wars had been about armies of

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<v Speaker 2>men fighting more or less in hand to hand combat

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<v Speaker 2>on fields of battle. The bomb ro mafia believe that

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<v Speaker 2>bombs carried by airplanes were about to make the armies

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<v Speaker 2>of men obsolete. The Air Corps Tactical School was never

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<v Speaker 2>very large. In twenty years of existence, it produced just

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<v Speaker 2>over one thousand graduates, but it was enormously influential. Of

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<v Speaker 2>the three hundred and twenty Air Force generals on duty

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of World War II, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty one came out of the Tactical School, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of those graduates was Curtis Emerson LeMay. Only a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of American military leaders in the twentieth century achieved real

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<v Speaker 2>public stature Douglas MacArthur, of course, with his corn caught

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<v Speaker 2>pipe and limitless charisma, Dwight Eisenhower because he commanded the

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<v Speaker 2>Allied war effort in World War II, and in more

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<v Speaker 2>recent times Colin Powell. In his day, le May's fame

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<v Speaker 2>exceeded them all. People who couldn't name their congressman still knew.

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<v Speaker 4>Who he was.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty four alone, three movies came out with

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<v Speaker 2>a character plainly based on le May. He's the model

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<v Speaker 2>for the Air Force general in Sidney Lemett's thriller Failsafe.

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<v Speaker 2>He's clearly Burt Lancaster's character, General Scott in Seven Days

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<v Speaker 2>in May, where the President choose him out.

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<v Speaker 5>I am prepared to brand you for what you are, General,

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<v Speaker 5>a strutting egoist with a Napoleonic power complex and an

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<v Speaker 5>out and out traitor.

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<v Speaker 2>And as if that's not enough, in Stanley Kuprick's Doctor Strangelove,

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<v Speaker 2>the LeMay character is General Jack Ripper, played by Sterling Hayden,

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<v Speaker 2>chomping on a cigar.

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<v Speaker 6>Your commie has no regard for human life, not even

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<v Speaker 6>his own. And for this reason, ma'am, I want to

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<v Speaker 6>impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty four, when Doctor Strangelof came out, Americans

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<v Speaker 2>were exhausted from anxiety about nuclear destruction. It felt good

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<v Speaker 2>to laugh at a Cold War fanatic like General Jack Ripper,

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<v Speaker 2>But the actual General le Maay was a more complicated matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Curtis le May put himself through the engineering program at

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State, going to school by day and working all

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<v Speaker 2>night at a foundry on the other side of town.

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<v Speaker 2>He joined the Air Corps right out of college. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a captain by thirty three, then in short order,

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<v Speaker 2>a major, then a colonel, a brigadier general, and by

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<v Speaker 2>the age of thirty seven, a major general. After the

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<v Speaker 2>Second World War, he ran the Strategic Air Command SACK,

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<v Speaker 2>the arm of the Air Force that controlled the bulk

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<v Speaker 2>of America's nuclear arsenal. Russell Dardy, who followed le Maay

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<v Speaker 2>as head of SACK, loved to tell a story about

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<v Speaker 2>the time le Maay was briefed about a new airplane

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<v Speaker 2>called the F one to eleven B.

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<v Speaker 1>The briefings lasted about two and a half days, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>one hour, sometimes two hours, and finally they wrapped up

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<v Speaker 1>the briefing. Let me hadn't said a word the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just sitting there. After he got all through, General

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<v Speaker 1>Lomay says that itt yeah, sure, that's it. And he

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<v Speaker 1>got up and he says it ain't big enough and

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<v Speaker 1>walked out. That was his only comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Curtis le May commanded by silence. He liked to have

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<v Speaker 2>a cigar in his mouth at all times, and he

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't like to remove it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another illustration. I head first person with le May.

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<v Speaker 1>I went with him out to CIA to get the

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<v Speaker 1>briefings on what later became known as the Bay of Pigs.

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<v Speaker 2>This was nineteen sixty one. The Bay of Pigs is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the signature crises of the Cold War, a

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<v Speaker 2>clandestine invasion of Cuba by a group of Cuban exiles

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<v Speaker 2>backed by the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent about three hours out there, got the full

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<v Speaker 1>entire briefing down in the CIA briefing group, and when

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<v Speaker 1>it was over, they said, generally, have any comments. Joel

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<v Speaker 1>Levy got up, head for the door, says it won't work.

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<v Speaker 1>That was his only comment, It won't work, And boy

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<v Speaker 1>he was dead right, it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Three words, that's it, and of course he was right.

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<v Speaker 2>Le Maay made his reputation after the US entered the

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<v Speaker 2>Second World War. He was put in charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifth Bombardment Group out of Schalveston Air

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<v Speaker 2>Base in England. It was a desperate time. The Air

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<v Speaker 2>Corps was losing hundreds of planes on his bombing runs

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<v Speaker 2>over Germany to anti aircraft fire and German fighter planes.

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<v Speaker 2>The airmen knew they were essentially flying suicide missions, and

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<v Speaker 2>the problem got so bad that the Air Force calculated

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<v Speaker 2>that twenty percent of their pilots were aborting before they

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<v Speaker 2>reached their targets.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the commanders was Curtis LeMay, colonel in command

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<v Speaker 7>of a B twenty four group.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Robert McNamara, who would later become Secretary Defense during

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<v Speaker 2>the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 7>He was the finest combat commander of any service I

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<v Speaker 7>came across in the war, but he was extraordinarily bligering,

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<v Speaker 7>many thought brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>In World War II, McNamara was an analyst for the

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force. Here he is in Errol Morris's brilliant documentary

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<v Speaker 2>Fog of War, describing what LeMay did after he heard

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<v Speaker 2>that so many pilots were turning tail.

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<v Speaker 7>He issued an ardery. He said, I will be in

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<v Speaker 7>the lead plane on every mission. Any plane that takes

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<v Speaker 7>off will go over the target or the crew will

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<v Speaker 7>be court marcialed. The abort rate dropped over night. Now

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<v Speaker 7>that's the kind of a commander he was.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was just the beginning, because the air war

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<v Speaker 2>over Europe still faced huge problems. Years later, in an interview,

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<v Speaker 2>the May talked about it.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the things that was very apparent was that

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<v Speaker 8>the bombing was not very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Bombers have cameras that take pictures of where their bombs

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<v Speaker 2>fall strike photos, and when le May looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>strike photos after the cruise had come back to base,

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<v Speaker 2>he could see that the bombs were landing everywhere but

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<v Speaker 2>the target.

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<v Speaker 8>Not only were the targets not being destroyed, but I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't have any records of foremost of the bombs actually fell.

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<v Speaker 8>They were taking strike photos, of course, but you could

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<v Speaker 8>not locate over half the bombs that were hauled over

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<v Speaker 8>the continent.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was that the pilots were not flying straight

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<v Speaker 2>at the targets. They believed that would make them sitting

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<v Speaker 2>ducks for anti aircraft fire. Because enemy artillerymen on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground would simply estimate the plane's speed and altitude and

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<v Speaker 2>aim accordingly. So the pilots were taking evasive action, not

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<v Speaker 2>flying directly at the target until the last few seconds

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<v Speaker 2>of their bombing run, which is why the bombs were

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<v Speaker 2>falling wide. How could you hit your target if you

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<v Speaker 2>were lined up over it only at the very last moment.

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<v Speaker 8>So something had to be done to give the bomb

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<v Speaker 8>and there a chance to hit the target. Les mount

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<v Speaker 8>a longer bomb run. They're giving them ample time. They

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<v Speaker 8>get the bombs at level and get the rate and

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<v Speaker 8>drift killed. In order to do a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Le Maay saw only one solution. The pilots had to

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<v Speaker 2>stop taking evasive action. They had to fly straight in

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<v Speaker 2>over the target.

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<v Speaker 8>All of the people at I talk too that have

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<v Speaker 8>been in combat or of the opinion that if you

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<v Speaker 8>did this, had aircraft guns that shoots you down.

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<v Speaker 2>Key phrase of the opinion. LeMay was an empiricist. He

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<v Speaker 2>went back and studied his old artillery manuals, did some

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<v Speaker 2>calculations how many rounds from an anti aircraft gun would

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<v Speaker 2>it take to bring down a B seventeen bomber.

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<v Speaker 8>And it worked out it required I think three hundred

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<v Speaker 8>and seventy some rounds to hit it. This didn't look

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<v Speaker 8>too bad to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred and seventy seven rounds is a lot of ammunition.

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<v Speaker 2>So flying straight is a risk, but it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy risk. So LeMay says, let's try it. Let's fly

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<v Speaker 2>in straight instead of a ten second run, Let's fly

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<v Speaker 2>a seven minute long, straight and steady approach. And if

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<v Speaker 2>that sounded suicidal, which it did to all of his pilots,

0:20:04.196 --> 0:20:06.716
<v Speaker 2>he says, once again, I'm going to be the first

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<v Speaker 2>to try it. So le May led the way November

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty two over Santa's Air France. No evasive action,

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<v Speaker 2>and what happened. His group put twice as many bombs

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<v Speaker 2>on the target as any group had before and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>lose a single bomber.

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<v Speaker 8>So we did it and it worked out. I'll admit

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<v Speaker 8>some uneasias on my part and some of the other

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<v Speaker 8>people on the outset when they made that first straight

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<v Speaker 8>in bomb run.

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<v Speaker 2>But at work, I'll admit some uneasiness, he says. That's it,

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<v Speaker 2>some uneasiness. After the war, in nineteen forty nine, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a movie starring Gregory Peck called twelve o'clock High

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<v Speaker 2>about that moment in the Air War, it won a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of Oscars. The lead character General Frank Savage was

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<v Speaker 2>based in part on le May, and in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>General Savage is under so much stress trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>his pilots flying on these impossible mission that he has

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<v Speaker 2>a nervous breakdown. Screenwriters love the idea that beneath a

0:21:15.196 --> 0:21:19.396
<v Speaker 2>stoic exterior is a hurricane of repressed emotion, But that's

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood's le May, not the actual Lea May. One of

0:21:24.316 --> 0:21:27.356
<v Speaker 2>LeMay's pilots, later said that when he shared his fears

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<v Speaker 2>about flying a combat mission, le Maay replied, Ralph, you're

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to get killed, so it's best to accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get along much better now. That's le May. He

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<v Speaker 2>reserved his emotions for the thing he truly loved flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he is years later rhapsodizing about a mission some

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<v Speaker 2>of his bombers ran against an aircraft factory in occupied Poland.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, well, you have done some very accurate bombing, and

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<v Speaker 9>some of our jobs I remember Russ Wilson's group have,

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<v Speaker 9>in my position, knowing, attacked on Marion Third over a

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<v Speaker 9>pole on which is a nerve draft factory over there.

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<v Speaker 9>He put down a beautiful pattern on this, saying, I

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<v Speaker 9>don't think a single bomb thought fell outside defense.

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<v Speaker 2>As a factory, he put down a beautiful pattern on

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<v Speaker 2>that thing, meaning that when the May looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>strike photos from the bombing run the next day back

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<v Speaker 2>at base, the marks left by the bombs on the

0:22:35.916 --> 0:22:39.596
<v Speaker 2>roof of the factory took on a shape that pleased

0:22:39.596 --> 0:22:52.556
<v Speaker 2>his eye. In the early years of the Second World War, Curtis,

0:22:52.596 --> 0:22:56.076
<v Speaker 2>the May and the bomber mafia were frustrated. They felt

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<v Speaker 2>no one was listening to them.

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<v Speaker 9>The air was just getting the back of the hand

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<v Speaker 9>and out of the ways. I'll tell you what the

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<v Speaker 9>very were.

0:23:02.596 --> 0:23:04.676
<v Speaker 2>The air was just getting the back of the hand,

0:23:04.756 --> 0:23:07.956
<v Speaker 2>LeMay says, meaning when the top brass sat down in

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<v Speaker 2>Washington to play the course of the war, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what the bomber could do, that it was capable

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<v Speaker 2>of winning a war all by itself. Years later, LeMay

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<v Speaker 2>still felt the sting of that attitude.

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<v Speaker 9>Our own airport up and Washington was consisted of a

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<v Speaker 9>bunch of dollars a year, characters, people who didn't know

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<v Speaker 9>much about it, senting out stuff that I didn't much

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<v Speaker 9>agree with, But orders were orders carried them out.

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<v Speaker 2>The best could redemption when it finally came. What happened

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the.

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<v Speaker 10>World Vandal havoc root by the Japanese bombers. At the

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<v Speaker 10>upper part of the screen. There you can see them.

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<v Speaker 10>The people are bewildered by the blow without warning.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one, the US was dragged into a hard

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<v Speaker 2>and costly battle against the Japanese Empire in the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 2>and as that war ground on, one thing slowly became clear.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way to beat Japan was to take the

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<v Speaker 2>fight to Japan directly. One option was a land invasion,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was a terrifying prospect. It could easily end

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<v Speaker 2>up being one of the deadliest and costliest campaigns of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole war. The Second World War was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be winding down. No one had any appetite for a

0:24:32.596 --> 0:24:35.516
<v Speaker 2>land invasion, So was there a way to bring about

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<v Speaker 2>Japan's surrender through the air. Yes, the bomber mafia said,

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<v Speaker 2>we can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>The story begins in nineteen thirty nine when the far

0:24:46.836 --> 0:24:50.516
<v Speaker 5>sighted Army Air Forces said, we want a plane for

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<v Speaker 5>our defense. That could fly a bomb load thousands of

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<v Speaker 5>miles out to see and return.

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<v Speaker 2>When the bombing Mafia first set up shop back in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen thirties, their theorizing was hypothetical. They imagined

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<v Speaker 2>fleets of bombers flying deep into enemy territory, dropping bombs

0:25:09.836 --> 0:25:12.916
<v Speaker 2>from the safety of high altitudes, but there was no

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<v Speaker 2>airplane actually capable of doing that at the time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a bomber muffia fantasy until the arrival midway through

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<v Speaker 2>the war of the B twenty nine bomber, the super Fortress,

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<v Speaker 2>the most expensive project of the war forty three billion

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<v Speaker 2>in today's dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>When the workers reported for the first time, few of

0:25:37.316 --> 0:25:39.476
<v Speaker 5>them guessed the exact nature of what they were building.

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<v Speaker 5>They knew that the giant plane would result, but beyond

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<v Speaker 5>that it was largely a conjecture.

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<v Speaker 2>The War Department made newsreels about the super Fortress, Americans

0:25:49.396 --> 0:25:51.356
<v Speaker 2>watched them in movie theaters around the country.

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<v Speaker 5>But then the day came, inevitably when the pieces of

0:25:55.156 --> 0:25:59.356
<v Speaker 5>their jigsaw began to fit together, the day when the

0:25:59.356 --> 0:26:02.716
<v Speaker 5>mountains of material and the millions of man hours all

0:26:02.756 --> 0:26:07.396
<v Speaker 5>combined to confirm the assembly line rumor. The washroom gossip

0:26:07.596 --> 0:26:12.516
<v Speaker 5>and their honest to God curiosity. They were building the

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<v Speaker 5>mightiest aircraft in history.

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<v Speaker 2>The B twenty nine's predecessor, the B seventeen, was known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Flying Fortress. It was the workhorse bomber of

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<v Speaker 2>the early years of the war. The Flying Fortress is

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<v Speaker 2>what bombed most of Germany. But the B seventeen had

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<v Speaker 2>a great limitation range. It was good for just over

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven hundred miles. There's no way it could get

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<v Speaker 2>across the Pacific to Japan. The B twenty nine changed that.

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<v Speaker 2>It could carry twice as many bombs as the B seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>It could outrun fighter jets, it could fly higher than

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<v Speaker 2>the B seventeen, upwards of thirty thousand feet, out of

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<v Speaker 2>the reach of all but the most powerful of anti

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft weapons, and it could fly more than fifty eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred miles in a single run.

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<v Speaker 5>They were building the Boeing designed B twenty nine super Fortress,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is how they build it.

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<v Speaker 2>The newsreel just keeps going and going like this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like they're talking about the birth of a prophet.

0:27:19.676 --> 0:27:24.116
<v Speaker 5>Identical miracles of modern machinery, nursed and tended and made

0:27:24.156 --> 0:27:27.236
<v Speaker 5>productive by people who look and think like these people,

0:27:28.036 --> 0:27:34.756
<v Speaker 5>the fair, the dog people with death hands and unblinking eyes.

0:27:35.636 --> 0:27:42.436
<v Speaker 5>The old young, the young old, working together in intimate harmony.

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<v Speaker 5>Their product death, their goal peace.

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<v Speaker 2>The motto of the Barmber Mafia, remember, was profiicamus morey

0:27:55.996 --> 0:28:00.676
<v Speaker 2>eratenti we make progress unhindered by custom. And they sold

0:28:00.676 --> 0:28:05.956
<v Speaker 2>that vision to the American public technology. American technology could

0:28:05.956 --> 0:28:11.956
<v Speaker 2>win the war. Their product death, their goal peace. For

0:28:12.036 --> 0:28:15.756
<v Speaker 2>the true believers, the Bee twenty nine was gold, Frankencens,

0:28:15.756 --> 0:28:19.436
<v Speaker 2>and Murr. If the Bomber Mafia were the three wise men,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have brought the Bee twenty nine to the

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<v Speaker 2>baby Jesus. There's a book I ran across years ago

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<v Speaker 2>by a researcher at the Rand Corporation named Karl Builder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called The Masks of War, and it's a cultural

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<v Speaker 2>explanation of the differences among the army, the Air Force,

0:28:38.716 --> 0:28:42.236
<v Speaker 2>and the Navy. The Army, in Builder's view, is the

0:28:42.276 --> 0:28:46.796
<v Speaker 2>servant of the people understated, secure in its position. The

0:28:46.876 --> 0:28:50.076
<v Speaker 2>Navy is heir to a grand tradition. It measures itself

0:28:50.116 --> 0:28:53.556
<v Speaker 2>by the number of its ships its reach. But what

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<v Speaker 2>happens with the rise of the bomber mafia. Midway through

0:28:56.996 --> 0:29:00.436
<v Speaker 2>the war, the pilots and airmen begin to chart a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new course. Modern, disruptive, technologically focused. They're the only

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<v Speaker 2>part of the military entirely born of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 2>The air force, builder rights, sees itself as the embodiment

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<v Speaker 2>of an idea, a concept of warfare, a strategy made

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<v Speaker 2>possible and sustained by modern technology. And then Builder quotes

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<v Speaker 2>this passage from a historian named Perry mc coy smith,

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<v Speaker 2>which is worth repeating in full objectivity about this weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning the airplane was absent within air corps circles for

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<v Speaker 2>many reasons. Perhaps the foremost reason was the psychological attachment

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<v Speaker 2>of the airmen to his machine. To him, the airplane

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<v Speaker 2>was not just a new and exciting weapon. It was

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<v Speaker 2>what carried him miles behind enemy lines and brought him back.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a personal possession which was given a personal

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<v Speaker 2>usually feminine name, kissed upon return from a mission, and

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<v Speaker 2>painted with a symbol for each enemy plane shot down

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<v Speaker 2>or bombing mission completed. The affinity of the pilot for

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<v Speaker 2>his airplane has a parallel in the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>cavalry soldier and his horse. The airmen liked the cavalrymen

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<v Speaker 2>of the past, was not known for his modesty or

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<v Speaker 2>his objectivity when it came to the employment of his

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<v Speaker 2>chosen steed. The B twenty nine arrived and the bomber

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<v Speaker 2>mafia said, we've got this. A few well placed bombs, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>it's over.

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<v Speaker 5>The tanks will have to be filled, the engines given

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<v Speaker 5>a final check, the guns armed, the bombs said in

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<v Speaker 5>the racks, and then briefing, and the assembled airmen will

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<v Speaker 5>listen to words that a few years ago would have

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<v Speaker 5>been fantastic but today will casually off of briefing officer's lips.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the target, gentleman's Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>If only I were that simple. Coming next week in

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<v Speaker 2>Part two, Curtis the may has the bomber he wants

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<v Speaker 2>and the challenge he wants, but not the weapon for

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<v Speaker 2>that he needed a group of mad scientists at Harvard University.

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<v Speaker 2>Revisionist History is produced by Mee La Belle and Lee Mingestu,

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<v Speaker 2>to the Pushkin crew had a fine Carl Migliori, Maya Kinig,

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