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Speaker 1: and since nineteen forty seven. I'm Amy Wells. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this edition of the

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Speaker 1: Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast. I am joined by

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Speaker 1: you know, coach Mack, my other half of this little podcast. Mac.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing post bye week? Doing good? Doing good?

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Speaker 1: Got some rest, I hope everybody did. Involved in the

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Speaker 1: Titans football and then watch a lot of football and

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Speaker 1: did a lot of prep for this week and so great.

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to getting back on the podcast circuit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be back. I missed the routine when

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Speaker 1: it's gone, I'm very thrown off during bye week when

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Speaker 1: everything's a little off of our routine. I did not rest.

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Speaker 1: I went to Chattanooga and worked some tubs, double A

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Speaker 1: Blue Cross Bowl games, the state championship football. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: like high school football, especially state championships. Went everything's on

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Speaker 1: the line, man. You see some good games no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I watched your work because they

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Speaker 1: televised it. You knew that, right well, I was working,

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Speaker 1: so I assumed it was being broadcast. It was, and

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Speaker 1: you and Josh Corey did a marvelous job. You guys

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Speaker 1: really did a good job. And I thought, I thought

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Speaker 1: that it. You said, it went very well hosted there

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Speaker 1: in Chattanooga. The games were very good. The games that

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Speaker 1: you guys did were really good. And so uh no,

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Speaker 1: I know you didn't get much rest, but you did

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Speaker 1: something good. Well. I saw good football. And you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's high school, college or professional football, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really care. As long as

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Speaker 1: there is a brown ball on the ground and they're

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Speaker 1: throwing it and hitting each other, I'm pretty much good

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Speaker 1: to go. No, and I'm impressed with high school football

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Speaker 1: here in the eight and it is gotten markedly better

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Speaker 1: where it is. And as I said, I watched I

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Speaker 1: watched the broadcast of some of those games because you

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Speaker 1: and Josh were doing them, and it was really good,

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Speaker 1: really really good. And then of course we had the

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Speaker 1: Mister Football thing here. That was just outstanding. So I'm

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Speaker 1: all for anything that promotes that helps. And it is

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Speaker 1: all about high school football, all about it. Absolutely. It's

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Speaker 1: a bit busy week around here. We had the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Titans Mister Football Awards at Nissan Stadium on Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: it was, I mean, a fantastic event. It's always a

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Speaker 1: big deal. You feel very cool when you're at the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans Mister Football Awards, Like it feels elite somehow,

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Speaker 1: it feels exclusive and fancy. So that was great. And

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Speaker 1: it's Spirit Week here, so there's all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: that are happening to get ready for this Titans game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday against the Jags. There are just all kinds

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Speaker 1: of events for kids and forced students to be able

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Speaker 1: cool idea. I'm really excited to see how all of

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Speaker 1: that comes together because there's been so much of a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff to talk about football related, of course,

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Speaker 1: Jaguars for the second time this season. Got the win

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Speaker 1: Stadium as it sits right now, just so that everybody

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Speaker 1: remembers because a lot of people took the week off

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Speaker 1: during the bye week. The Titans are eight and four,

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Speaker 1: the AFC MAC. How beneficial is it to the Titans

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Speaker 1: that they are sitting in a spot like that, being

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Speaker 1: being in a good spot in the AFC, coming out

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Speaker 1: of their by and heading into this last stretch despite

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Speaker 1: having some frustrating games right before that by week Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing that's important is they put themselves in position

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Speaker 1: The last two weeks hadn't been great at all, and

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Speaker 1: And really, if you want to be honest, Amy, if

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Speaker 1: other shows about the Jaguars, that wasn't an easy game.

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Speaker 1: That was not an easy game. I mean, they ran

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Speaker 1: the open date as far as health wise, which was

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Speaker 1: a big big thing for this team. As a head coach,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at in a team that's coming

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Speaker 1: off of a couple days of rest. Beyond just the

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Speaker 1: And Mike Vrabel did something that I really liked because

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Speaker 1: here on out. Now, there were a couple points of emphasis.

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Speaker 1: coming off of a couple disappointing losses for the Titans,

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Speaker 1: especially on offense, there were a few areas that really

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Speaker 1: needed to be addressed, and one of those was turnovers

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Speaker 1: correct course huge, I mean really basically nine turnovers in

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Speaker 1: two weeks Amy and the Titans created no takeaways. You

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Speaker 1: not had enough explosive plays, They've had too many turnovers,

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Speaker 1: So it has to be fixed. And they understand it

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Speaker 1: What other things about the Tennessee Titans are going to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different in this matchup as opposed

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting some people back. And not only will

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Speaker 1: the Titans look different, amy the Jacksonville Jaguars look different too,

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Speaker 1: skip because COVID made everybody's skip, right. But so I'm

427
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Speaker 1: really excited it's going to be back, and it's gonna

428
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: be back in Indy this year, but maybe not so

429
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: much anymore, but talk about this year twenty twenty two.

430
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting back there. I know you

431
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: are too. I know Ashley is too. Mike Keith is too.

432
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: We do a lot of good work there. We do

433
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Speaker 1: a lot of good work at Lucas Oil Stadium. It's

434
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Speaker 1: going to be March first through seventh, so good to

435
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Speaker 1: be back there. There's so much to watch all the time,

436
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: Like the Combine is just my favorite thing because there's

437
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: so much going on and there's so much potential. But

438
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: especially as the college football season is really wrapping up,

439
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, all the bowl games have been assigned, Now

440
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: we know who's going to be in the playoffs, it's

441
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: the whole roll. Very exciting to start thinking about some

442
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: of these guys that are going to end up either

443
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: going to the draft, declaring for the draft, and are

444
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Speaker 1: going to be doing those workouts. As a coach, when

445
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: do you start kind of honing in more on that

446
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: crop of guys that will be at the Combine. Well,

447
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm glad you narrowed it down to a coach, because

448
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: there's a distinction. The scouting department started last year. Right

449
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: a coach, you don't really hone in until your season's

450
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: over with. As a coach, you already you have the

451
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: list presented to you. You don't go out and find them.

452
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: The scouting department goes out and finds them. The coaches

453
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Speaker 1: get list presented to them, so as a coach, you

454
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: don't start even touching it or sniffing it until the

455
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: season's over. Excited for all this to be coming around

456
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 1: the corner though, I mean, of course, we still have

457
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Speaker 1: the Titans season. We know we're still in the middle

458
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Speaker 1: of this, but there's a lot of good stuff on

459
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Speaker 1: the horizon. And Mac, our next guest is someone who's

460
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Speaker 1: very involved in the Hall of Fame thing, and in

461
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: the combine thing, and in the scouting of the players

462
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: and the draft and all of that. Ladies and gentlemen,

463
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Speaker 1: Rick Goslin. Coach, Mac, You've been talking about this guest

464
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Speaker 1: for weeks. We've been so fired up about having Rick

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Speaker 1: Goslin with us. A little bit about Rick. He has

466
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Speaker 1: covered the National Football League for almost fifty years. He

467
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: spent time in Kansas City before joining the Dallas Morning News.

468
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: Rick is known for a great many things, but mainly

469
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Speaker 1: his draft analysis and his mock drafts. That was really

470
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Speaker 1: his calling card for a while. Rick Goslin is a

471
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter who is currently a contributor for

472
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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated as well as Talk of Fame Network. Rick

473
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Speaker 1: we are so excited to have you here. Thank you

474
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Speaker 1: for taking some time to chat with us. It is

475
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Speaker 1: always my pleasure to visit with anyone from Tennessee, the

476
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Speaker 1: great state of Tennessee. Well, I want to start off

477
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Speaker 1: with a very quick origin in story for you. You

478
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: are a sports writer for so long. How did you

479
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: get started in that business? Oh, I knew I was

480
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: gonna be a sports final I was in third grade.

481
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: I was always writing and doing sports related stories and

482
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: the pamphlet of books and pamphlets growing up to Detroit

483
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: on the Tigers and the Lions and Red Wings and Uh,

484
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna be a writer for way

485
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: back when. I guess I'm one of the few that

486
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: can say when I was in third grade, I knew

487
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Speaker 1: what I was going to do in life. And that

488
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. Goose. And as far as knowing you know,

489
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to call you Rick, I've never known

490
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: you was Rick. Guys and your goose and uh and

491
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: so and so. The seeing what you've accomplished in your

492
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: career and you've bypassed me a number of years in

493
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Speaker 1: the National Football League, and that's and that's hard to do.

494
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: I think you and Dick lebou may have more time

495
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: in this league than I do. And that's just about it.

496
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: The thing. The thing about the thing about Goose, though,

497
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Speaker 1: that I want all of our listeners to understand is

498
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: is is I became familiar with Goose, you know, in

499
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Speaker 1: a in a very very cool way, because when he

500
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: knew all the coaches, he not only knew all the

501
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: coaches in the league, you know when he was when

502
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: he was writing for the Dallas Morning News, he knew

503
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: all the owners too. He knew everybody, and everybody knew him.

504
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: And the most important thing amy about Rick Goslin in

505
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Everybody trusted him and that's unusual.

506
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: That's unusual. It was unusual back then and it's even

507
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: more unusual today. And so you knew once you had

508
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Speaker 1: gotten into Rick Goslin's circle that you were in a

509
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: in a circle of some pretty prominent people, but people

510
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: that had trust in one another. And it was it

511
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: was so much fun to be able to interact in

512
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: those days. And Goose, I go clear back to the time.

513
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've covered every team that I've ever

514
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: worked for. I go back to the times that I

515
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: really cherished the most was at the combine back in

516
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: the day when really it was you and Jeff Legwald

517
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: that basically were there for the whole time, and you

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: guys would stand in the hallways, you know, of the

519
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: old dome where we would we would have it and

520
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: visit with everybody as they came out. Because there was

521
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: no NFL network then, nobody really knew what was going

522
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: on in there, but you guys would stay there the

523
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: whole time. I can still remember you standing out there

524
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: in the snow, looking like two snowmen in the front

525
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: yard with snow all over your heads outside of the

526
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: holiday in there, trying to get people and trying to

527
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: get really the story of what was going on. But

528
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: the cool thing about it was everyone trusted you and

529
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: they gave you information that they knew that you would

530
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Speaker 1: use in the correct way. So going back to those

531
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Speaker 1: days is something that I will always cherish, and I

532
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: miss you when you're not there. Goose. Yeah, I go

533
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Speaker 1: back to My first combine was nineteen ninety two. The

534
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: Morning News had moved me off the Cowboys beat to

535
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: become the general NFL columnists, so I had to cover

536
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: every team except the Cowboys, So I had to you know,

537
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: go to all the different games, and I I think it

538
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't involve the Cowboys. So I dave my sports that

539
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: are dasmist, and I want you to grade drafts. And

540
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: I saw, if I'm going to grade drafts, I don't

541
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: know what the heck I'm talking about. So I started

542
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: going to the Combine and researching all the players and

543
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: meeting all the NFL people and trying to develop a

544
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: network of sources. In nineteen ninety two, I think there

545
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: were eight media members at the Combine and last year

546
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: there were at fourteen hun and we had no We

547
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: had nobody from the NFL in pr to help us.

548
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: I remember one year there was nineteen ninety four Jerome Bettis.

549
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: We had Jerome Bettist go in and get players for us.

550
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: This guy the sixth he was gonna be the sixth

551
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: pick of the draft, and he'd come out to morrow,

552
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: who do you guys need? And he'd go in and

553
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: pull out two or three guys. But that's there was

554
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: no It was all luck and happens to seeing you know,

555
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: players on the way, you know, in from their workouts,

556
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: or seeing coaches under we had to dinner or a

557
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: midnight walking through a blizzard back to the hotel with

558
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: with guys like coach Mack, who never had time for

559
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: us during the day. He said, yes, I'll see him midnight. Wait,

560
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: so you're assigned to just start evaluating drafts in the

561
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: upcoming draft. I mean when you're given that assignment, do

562
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: you think what I mean? How do you even gain

563
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the experience or the knowledge or the understanding It has

564
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: to be leaning on those people around you. Correct. Well,

565
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: you start out, you get the combined lists, that's three

566
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four names, and then I would take

567
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: the players that played in the Senior Bowl and the

568
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: Hula Bowl in the East West Shrine Game and have

569
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: probably another sixties seventy players. So right away I would

570
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: research over four hundred players before we even went to combine,

571
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: so I knew the names, and then I started talking

572
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: to coaches about who do they like and who stands

573
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: out who to interview, and you start taking out who

574
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: the good players are and who the guys that are

575
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: going to slide are. I remember the year that Tony

576
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Romo came out. I was the only person asked for

577
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, and I was one of two people that

578
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: interviewed amongst the whole combine. He was he was he

579
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: was from Easter n Ill No, he was there just

580
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: brought in to throw. And there are a lot of guys.

581
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Speaker 1: I was the only media member they talked to. It.

582
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: If they brought a player out and there was nobody there,

583
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: one of the league people say, hey, can you go

584
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: come ask him a couple of questions? And I would

585
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: because I had researched all the players and I could

586
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: ask the intelligent questions what's with virtually everybody there? You

587
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: know what, Goose when you say that there were only

588
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: eight media members assigned, I can remember. Of course, I've

589
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: been going to combine since it started. I think eighty

590
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: seven was the first year. My first year in the

591
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: league was eighty six. So I've been to every combine

592
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: that they've ever had there in Indie and so, and

593
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right, and really the first media

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00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: people I ever remember. You know, you are the first

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00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: one that I ever remember being there, but actually being

596
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: there and being engaged. And I can remember you asking

597
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: me about players and I'm going, you know what, this

598
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: guy has done some research on some of these guys,

599
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and you could always count on you, Goose, you would

600
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: come up with a guy that you would ask me,

601
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: coach back, what do you think about what do you

602
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: think about this Tillman kid down down at Arizona State.

603
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: You would always have some guy that was that what

604
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Tony Romo is a great example, and you're right. I

605
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: mean he ended up being a free agent and you know,

606
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: coming into the league. But you got to that depth

607
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: of it, and I think that morphed into the fact

608
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: once you started putting out your mock draft because you

609
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: had talked to so many people and had done so

610
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: much research on your part. How many years in a row, Goose,

611
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: did you have the top mock draft in the league.

612
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: You go ahead and brag about it, because if you don't,

613
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give a big number. I researched

614
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: twenty drafts for as the NFL columnists, and I had

615
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: the best top one hundred board for ten straight years.

616
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: And I also I had the best mock draft three

617
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: times in the twenty years, and in that time, no

618
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: one else had it more than once, So the accuracy

619
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: was pretty good. But what I did, and you know,

620
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: you know I would call. I would start with the scouts.

621
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Speaker 1: I had a handful of scouts. I dealt with the

622
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Western scouts East and trying to get a start, head

623
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: start on the on the draft board, and then I'd

624
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: move up to the personnel directors. The general manager is

625
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: the assistant coaches, the head coaches. I even talking to

626
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: some agents, some college coaches when I went through a board,

627
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: sometimes that the call would take an hour and a half.

628
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: I'd start a quarterback with let's say, with the head

629
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: coach or GM, and I'd go through my top fifteen

630
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and they said, well, you got this guy too higher,

631
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: this guy too low. And after you talked about twenty gms,

632
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, twenty end coach, you get a figure pretty good,

633
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: figure out how the list is going to play out,

634
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: and nuts. And people were always honest with me because

635
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them figured out that they could get

636
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: something from me in addition to them giving something to me.

637
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: So they always took my calls for that reason. You know.

638
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: The best example was the last Patriot Super Bowl when

639
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: the MVP of the game was Julian Edelman, who was

640
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: he'd been paid a quarterback at Kent State and he

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Speaker 1: was too small to be a quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I remember I was talking to Bill Belichick the

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Speaker 1: night of the Kent State workout, and I asked him

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Speaker 1: if he heard what the kid from Ken State ran

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Speaker 1: and he said no, And I said, he ran a

646
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Speaker 1: good time, good three comb So he sent Scott O'Brien

647
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Speaker 1: off there, wow, just to see if he could catch

648
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Speaker 1: a punt, and this guy becomes one of the great

649
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Speaker 1: receivers in franchise history. In the MVP in the morning

650
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Speaker 1: though MVP press conferences the day after the Super Bowl

651
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Speaker 1: Seth Palantonio who asked Belichick what did you see in

652
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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman that made you think he could be a

653
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Speaker 1: big time receiver in this league? And Belichick said, well,

654
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Speaker 1: I got to give Rick Gosslum credit for that one.

655
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: He put us on Edelman, see Goose. That kind of

656
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Speaker 1: those kind of stories you won't get anywhere but the

657
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Titans Amy Coach Mac podcast. That to me though, really seriously,

658
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: in all the years that I've known you, and I

659
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Speaker 1: started this podcast off by saying, the one thing that

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Speaker 1: you had developed that not many have anymore, very few,

661
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: if any, is the total trust of people in the league.

662
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: Because I can remember spending a long time on the

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00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: phone with you when you had finally gotten down to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, saying, hey, Mac, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: you know this or this position? What is your thoughts

666
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: on this? And when I was a head coach, what

667
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: are you guys kind of thinking here? But you have

668
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: to have total trust and to me, just the story

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Speaker 1: that you tell you know about you. See, you had

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Speaker 1: that type of relationship that Belichick would take what you

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00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: had said and say, Hey, my top guy, Scott O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: go look at this kid at Kent State, go take

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Speaker 1: a look at And to me, that is a fascinating

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Speaker 1: thing about your career Goose. And I think it was.

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Speaker 1: It's a It's a beautiful thing. It really is. My

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00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: last year doing it, I was talking to every people

677
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: in every NFL team, evaluators, decision maker said, every NFL team.

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Speaker 1: I hit a list of one hundred and forty people

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Speaker 1: I talked to during the course of that draft. And

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00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: I have never I have never outed anybody that I

681
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: talked to him. The only person ever outed himself was

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00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Belichick talking about Adeline. I have never told anybody who

683
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: I talked. I've never dropped any names with any team.

684
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: I've never tipped people off. You know what, other people

685
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: have said, I just did the research on it. So

686
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: that's how good the information was. I was the only

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00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: guy and every team, and I think you've seen in

688
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: the last several months I've done these draft reviews, and

689
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: in fact I had won in Adrian Peterson. Today I

690
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: went back and I took what scouts and talent valuators

691
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: were saying before the draft. That's really cool. It's easy.

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Speaker 1: It's easy in hindsight to look back at a Peyton

693
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Speaker 1: Manning or Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Paalamala. Let's says guys Faer.

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Speaker 1: But there was no unanimous decision. There were chinks on

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Speaker 1: in the armor of all these particular players, and those

696
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: comments showed up in the in the draft reviews. It

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00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: shows what guys will overcome. You know what. Adrian Peterson

698
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: and both were injury risks. The great thing about that

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00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: is I read every one of them, and so does Amy.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I really liked was that you never

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Speaker 1: you would put you know, gm former gm H top

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00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: talent evaluator, head coach, but you would never put you

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Speaker 1: never put names in those which goes along with what

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Speaker 1: your m O was. And I got a real kick

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Speaker 1: out of the one that you did on ant kuon Boland.

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00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: You said, Mac, I want you to read this and

707
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: then guess which one was your quote way back when

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00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: everyone in America knew which one with Coach Max. And

709
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: then the other one was on Paula Mallo. You know

710
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: you asked, you said, coach Mack, please guess which one

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: is yours? And I took it to Amy s at

712
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Amy read this and which one of these did I say,

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00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago? She went this one? Yeah, some

714
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: people out themselves. I think it's just so cool, though, Goose.

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00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean it really really, it really really is. Talk

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00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: to Amy and I a little bit now about about

717
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Speaker 1: what you're doing now, which I think is fascinating too. Well.

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00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Myself and to other Hall of Fame voters have to

719
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: talk of fame networking. We write a lot of historically

720
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: related stories, and you know, these draft reviews are part

721
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: of them. But we addressed her in issues and past

722
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: players and all three of us front Hall of Fame

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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: committees and today, as a matter of fact, I'm on

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Speaker 1: the Senior committee and I'm researching the senior candidates that

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: are on the slate. We're gonna we're going to vote

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: for a Senior candidate on Tuesday, and we're also going

727
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: to vote for Coaching Canada on Tuesday. And I'm doing

728
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: the homework on a lot of these players, the Ken

729
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Riley's and the Eddie Matters, the Maxi Bonds, and trying

730
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: to get up to speed on the discussion figure out

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Speaker 1: who the best candidate is. You know, if people are

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00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: following the Hall of Fame lately, they understand that there

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Speaker 1: are more seniors coming in and it's due to your work.

734
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Speaker 1: And I think it's fascinated when you start really and

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00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: you and I've talked about this before. You know, at

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00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: length you start going back and just taking just statistics

737
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: to the region and the time they were playing. There

738
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: are some really still great players out there right Goose.

739
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: It is a painful process because there are so many

740
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: worthy candidates. I've got a list. I put together a

741
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: list this offseason of the players that I thought deserved

742
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame discussion. They had careers worthy of discussion.

743
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: I got one hundred and eight names in that list,

744
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: and we get to bring out one a year. Of

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: the hundred and eight, ninety four have never been discussed

746
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: as Hall of Fame finalists. Fifty eight are All Decade players.

747
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Fifty three of those have never been discussed. I got

748
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: two players on the fifth of the Anniversary Team, never

749
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: been discussed. One player in the heart of the Anniversary Team,

750
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: never been discussed. Eight five time first Team All Pros

751
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: home press was at Calvin Johnson and Charles Woods were

752
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: only three time First Team All Pros five times. That's

753
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: a Hall of Vames player I got. I got nine

754
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: NFL MVPs, five NFL defensive players in the year five

755
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVPs, all in the senior pool, and we

756
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: get to bring out one a year. It's not right.

757
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I've been pushed. Let's bring out three a year for

758
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: the next ten years. Let's let's put a debt in

759
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: this in this log jam. But when we're not making

760
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot of progress, and my fears, how do

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00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: you even decide at that point with such a deep

762
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: pool of people. What we do is they send us

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00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: a ballot of about eight year ninety names in the spring,

764
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: and the nine members on the Senior Committee vote that

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: our top fifteen, and then they take the top fifteen

766
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: vote getters from that group of nine, and those of

767
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: the fifteen finalists. I generally get about ten of the

768
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: of the fifteen. We're going to discuss Maxi Bahn, who

769
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: went to nine Pro Bowls in nineteen sixties. He shows

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00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: up every year and Eddie met her, you know, one

771
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: of the three all decades safe just in nineteen sixties.

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00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna every year. Kenny Riley second all

773
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: time among pure cornerbacks in interception it was sixty five.

774
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: Only night Train Lane was sixty eight. Has said more,

775
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: and Ken Rally has never been discussed as a Hall

776
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: of Fame finalist. How do you intercept sixty five pass

777
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: in this league and your name never come up with

778
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? Well, and you know what, they

779
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: are fortunate, all of them either whether they're still with us,

780
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: are not that you are there to be their champion.

781
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: And to me that the fiber and the fabric of

782
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: this league is so important and you are very important

783
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: to this league, Goose. I mean, I'm just letting you

784
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: know that. And look, let me just say this, of

785
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: all the nice things I said about you, and how

786
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: many how many combines were we together? Twenty were twenty twenty? Yeah,

787
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: plenty yeah, twenty And you and your and your two

788
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame buddies. Now, I mean, I'm going to

789
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: put their names out there. You know, it's Clark Judge,

790
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: you used to be with CBS. We're on Boorgeous with

791
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: the Boston Globe. Really really legitimate dudes. Okay, every we

792
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: would pick a day at the Combine when they were

793
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: everybody was still there and with Jeff Legwald and we

794
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: would go to a deli for breakfast at six of

795
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: the morning, first people to crack the door. As Shapiro

796
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: is right, remember now, how many years did we do that? Goose?

797
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Tell me? You tell me twenty years? Okay, twenty twenty

798
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: years with you four and coach Mac and you four

799
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: have yet to go into your pocket to pay for breakfast.

800
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: And yet I'm just putting that out there on this

801
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: podcast because everybody's listening in to how how accomplished you are.

802
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: But there's some flaws in all of you. And one

803
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: thing is is you never ever paid for one breakfast?

804
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: True or not true? Just tell the story, Amy, Why

805
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: do you think we kept inviting him to breakfast? This one?

806
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm on his side. Mac. I'm sorry, but I mean

807
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: I stand with Goose on this one. I knew I

808
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: knew you would I don't even know. We're gonna let

809
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: you go before you get shaken down for any more money.

810
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: On the podcast, Rick Gosling Goose, thank you so much

811
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: for taking some time to hang out with us today.

812
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: This has been an absolute blast. Hey, it's been my pleasure.

813
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: And when I'm off, Amy asked Coach Mac about the

814
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: time he shut up jap perils and the cook got fired.

815
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, all right, now we have a follow up episode.

816
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Goose Goose trying to order, He said, I have I

817
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: like the oatmeal. No what Chiff got fired? Okay, fine,

818
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: what have you got? Not much? Thanks Goose, Mac. Such

819
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 1: a cool conversation to be able to have you would

820
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Goose go way way back. The Goose is an icon

821
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I mean an icon, and

822
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I say that with all due respect. I mean he's

823
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: a very good friend, very dear friend. Froll, you know,

824
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: thirty plus years. But this guy is as well respected

825
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL circles. I mean, when we

826
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: used to go to the combine, Goose would had Goose

827
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: would have dinner. He would not have dinner with us

828
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: because I'd ask him, because he's having dinners with owners,

829
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: general managers, I mean, this was the Goose is the guy.

830
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: He is the dude, and and he's so well respected

831
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: and so well earned, and the Hall of Fame is

832
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: something that's always been in his wheelhouse, you know, and

833
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: now with the Senior Committee. I mean, Rick Goslin seriously

834
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: is a Hall of Fame sports writer and a Hall

835
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: of Fame person involved with the National Football League that

836
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: so widely respected. And I can remember a lot of

837
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: years when you know, I was as at the combine

838
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: early before they had anybody in there. Uh, Goose would

839
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: stand and wait until everybody came out to ask him

840
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: questions about players, ask him questions about and not and

841
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, he was he was there until the last

842
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: minute everybody else had gone out of there, when the

843
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks had worked out, or when somebody you know, but

844
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Rick Goslin was always right there. And the guy that

845
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: was right there with him was a guy that Tennessee

846
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: people knows, Jeff Leigwald. They were right there together the

847
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: whole time, and the whole time those guys were there together,

848
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: the true professionals awesome, awesome, and some of them stories

849
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: that he was telling about names that everybody knows. Tony

850
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Romo Julian Edelman that he had kind of a beat

851
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: on them before anybody else did. Crazy players in this

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Speaker 1: league have no idea sometimes how much people advocate for them.

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Speaker 1: That general managers and coaches trust. Yeah, general managers and

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Speaker 1: coaches trust. You always trusted what Goose said because you

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Speaker 1: knew he had done the work. You always trusted what

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Speaker 1: he said. Because if he trusted you and you trusted him,

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Speaker 1: then there was a was a that was a very

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Speaker 1: very symbiotic relationship because both of you were doing professional work.

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Speaker 1: There was no gossip with Goose. Goose was all business,

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Speaker 1: and so he did help some of those people. But

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Speaker 1: the reason he did is because when when you talk

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Speaker 1: to Goose about somebody and he said, hey, he's done

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Speaker 1: it to me, Mac, you need to take a look

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Speaker 1: at this kid. Just take a look at this kid,

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Speaker 1: tell me what you think you know. And I would

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Speaker 1: do it. Sometimes I'd say, Goose, you're right, I kind

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Speaker 1: of like goosey, I don't like this guy. Then then

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Speaker 1: his question would always be, well tell me why, tell

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Speaker 1: me why not saying you're wrong, Just tell me why

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Speaker 1: so I can learn that's why he is who he is. Awesome,

871
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Speaker 1: and it was so good of him to take some

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Speaker 1: time to chat with us a little bit. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: another another awesome conversation that we get to have on

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Speaker 1: this show. We have pretty good people on this show.

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00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: We have some pretty legit people on this show. Yes, yeah,

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00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: one final bit of housekeeping. Before we wrapped this show

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Speaker 1: last week, we had mentioned that we were going to

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Speaker 1: be giving away some bubbleheads. And you know how much

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00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: giving bobbleheads to our subscribers excites me a lot? I

880
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: know it does. I know it really excites you. When

881
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: are we giving away more bubbles? I know, I know

882
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Speaker 1: when you really excited. I was trying to hold on

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Speaker 1: to them for the holiday season a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a really great gift, Like give

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Speaker 1: your friends the gift of bubble heads. How can you

886
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Speaker 1: beat it? I mean you can't, I don't think, And

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Speaker 1: so I was trying. I was kind of hoarding them

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I didn't want to like just give

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Speaker 1: them all up too soon. But now it's time to

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Speaker 1: really just let it loose. And so thank you to

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Speaker 1: everybody who participated in our giveaway on Instagram. The people

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00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: who have won those will be hearing from us, but

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00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: a little Christmas treat we are did not just give

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Speaker 1: away one set of Titans Amy and Coachmac bobbleheads. We

895
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: gave away too, so you've got a double chance of winning,

896
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: which is very exciting. I think it's outstanding. I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Christmas season's all about. Ho ho ho. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot better to give than what keep bubbleheads.

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Speaker 1: Give bobble heads away than keep bobbleheads. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what they say about Christmas. I think that is what

901
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: they say. You're right in the Christmas spirit. Yeah, I

902
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: mean the spirit of giving. I give and I give.

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Speaker 1: Do you really do? Yeah? And I'm about to give

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Speaker 1: up on this podcast because we have officially run out

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Speaker 1: of things to talk about. Mac. Do you have anything

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00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: else to say before the Titans take on? Oh? That's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just really glad to be back in the flow

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Speaker 1: of things. As you said, that feels good to be

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Speaker 1: back in the flow doing this. I really, I really

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Speaker 1: like the responses and the response that we get from

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00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: this podcast from a lot of people. I'm out a lot,

912
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: you know quite a bit, and us or you and

913
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Speaker 1: Ashley Ferrell, our producer, She and I were out to

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Speaker 1: dinner here just a few days a few days ago,

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Speaker 1: and people talk about the podcast really nice. So that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing. Thank you, Yes, thank you people, Thank

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Speaker 1: you everybody who listens, all million of you. We really

918
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And yeah, Mac is a man about town.

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Speaker 1: Ash is a man about town, woman about town. I'm

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Speaker 1: at home a lot, so anyway with that we know

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Speaker 1: where to Yeah, at my house on the couch all

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Speaker 1: the time. So anyway, keep sharing this podcast, like, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: leave us comments. We love to hear from you. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to follow us on Instagram at Titans Amy and Mac.

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Speaker 1: We love to hang out and chat with you guys,

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Speaker 1: so please please please continue to send us your messages

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Speaker 1: and thoughts and feelings of whatever other comments you have

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Speaker 1: for Amy Wells and Coach Mac. This has been the

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Speaker 1: Titans Amy Coach Mac Podcast.