WEBVTT - Roman Polanski "Disgraced Genius"

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<v Speaker 1>This show contains mature content and adult themes. It may

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<v Speaker 1>not be suitable for young audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty seventeen, Harvey Weinstein was outed as a serial

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuser. Many brave women came forward and told their stories.

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<v Speaker 2>They exposed one of Hollywood's most powerful moguls as a

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<v Speaker 2>vicious sexual predator who operated horrifically and seemingly without consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>But Weinstein was standing on the shoulders of monsters. For

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<v Speaker 2>so many years, those monsters remained unchecked in Hollywood, shielded

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<v Speaker 2>by the millions of dollars they made for their studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex for fame is not new. In fact, it's as

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<v Speaker 2>old as Hollywood itself. There are few sex scandals more

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<v Speaker 2>infamous in Hollywood than Roman Polanski's statutory rape of a

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen year old girl. Polanski was one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>innovative and influential directors of the last century. Rosemary's Baby,

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<v Speaker 2>which he directed in nineteen sixty eight, reinvented the horror movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and Chinatown in nineteen seventy four, reinterpreted noir film for

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<v Speaker 2>modern audiences. But Polanski is arguably more famous today for

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<v Speaker 2>his guilty plea on his statutory rape charge in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven than he is for winning the Best Director

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar for The Pianist in two thousand and three. In

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode of Variety Confidential, will open Variety's archives to

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<v Speaker 2>separate fact from fiction about Roman Polanski, the scandal that

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<v Speaker 2>has plagued Hollywood for nearly fifty years. From Variety in

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<v Speaker 2>iHeart Podcasts, I'm Tracy Patton. This is the Secret history

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<v Speaker 2>of the Casting Couch. Today's episode disgraced genius Roman Polanski

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<v Speaker 2>in the studio with me today is Matt Donnelly, Variety's

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<v Speaker 2>senior Entertainment and Media writer. Hi, Matt, Hi, It's great

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<v Speaker 2>to be back, and it's all was so great to

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<v Speaker 2>have your insight into the industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this case is certainly fascinating, and I think one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most important things to know about Polanski that

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<v Speaker 3>modern audiences may not is that he represented something so

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<v Speaker 3>exciting and new in cinema in the sixties and seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not just that he was a successful director,

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<v Speaker 3>but really a celebrity in his own right for what

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<v Speaker 3>he represented. And I think all of that vision came

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<v Speaker 3>with power, and I think a lot of that, you know, flash,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of that integrity and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>that prestige blinded many he worked with to behavior that

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<v Speaker 3>was going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and later in the show, we'll discuss the outpouring

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<v Speaker 2>of support in Hollywood for Polanski in two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years after he pleaded guilty to statutory rape. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll look at some of the big names in

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood who reconsidered that support in the me Too era.

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<v Speaker 3>And a small spoiler, one person who did not walk

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<v Speaker 3>back his support for Polanski was Harvey Weinstein and we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to talk about that too at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Roman Polanski is considered one of the top film

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<v Speaker 3>directors of the past sixty years, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people today might not know exactly who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's likely that even people who've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of Polanski or who've never seen Chinatown and Rosemary's Baby

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<v Speaker 2>have probably heard of his wife, the beautiful young actress

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Tate. Her fame came through a tragedy. She was

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<v Speaker 2>murdered by members of the Charles Manson cult in August

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine. Sharon and four HouseGuests were killed in

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<v Speaker 2>her home in LA's Benedict Canyon, making it even more tragic,

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon was pregnant and due to deliver in just ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>But the gruesome murder of his wife and unborn son

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<v Speaker 2>was not the first tragedy Roman had experienced. As a

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<v Speaker 2>child in Poland, he watched helplessly as a gang of

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi soldiers dragged his mother away. He never saw her again.

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<v Speaker 2>Polanski's arrest for statutory rape came just seven years after

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<v Speaker 2>his wife and unborn son were murdered. Facing a long

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<v Speaker 2>prison sentence, he fled the country in February nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight and has never returned. Roman Polanski continued to make

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<v Speaker 2>movies in Europe while in exile from the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>He has won Golden Globe Awards and Oscar and prizes

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<v Speaker 2>at the top festivals. In two thousand and nine, dozens

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<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood directors, producers, and stars signed a petition in

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<v Speaker 2>support of ending Polanski's exile. But in recent years, more

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<v Speaker 2>women have come forward to accuse Polansky of sexual abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>and as a result of the Me Too movement, many

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<v Speaker 2>of Roman's former supporters have publicly disavowed him.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, of course, we want to discuss more about that

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<v Speaker 3>rape charge. But first let's talk about his early life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was born in Paris in nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>His parents, who were Polish Jews, returned to Poland in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty six. Three years after they moved to Krakau,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis invaded Poland when Roman was six years old.

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<v Speaker 2>His family and all the other Jews were confined into

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<v Speaker 2>the city's ghetto. As conditions deteriorated, food and water became scarce,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Nazis started arresting people, even entire families,

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<v Speaker 2>and taking them to the death camps. After and during

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<v Speaker 2>months of this, a traumatic event up ended Roman's life.

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<v Speaker 2>He watched from a hiding place as Nazi soldiers dragged

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<v Speaker 2>his mother out of their house. He never saw her again.

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<v Speaker 2>They came back later and took his father, uncle, and

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<v Speaker 2>other family members. As the war raged on around him,

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<v Speaker 2>Roman survived by living on the streets and then for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years in the country with a Catholic family.

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<v Speaker 2>When the war ended, his father and uncle were liberated

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<v Speaker 2>from the camps. They were reunited in the ghetto, and

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<v Speaker 2>at age twelve, Roman began putting the pieces of his

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<v Speaker 2>life back together. After his schooling resumed, he found his

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<v Speaker 2>calling in filmmaking in the early nineteen fifties. He attended

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<v Speaker 2>a film school in the city of Lots where he

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<v Speaker 2>made a series of experiments until short films.

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<v Speaker 3>By Now it's nineteen sixty two and Polanski makes his

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<v Speaker 3>first full length feature film, Knife in the Water. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>This was an atmosphere of drama about a couple who

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<v Speaker 3>encounters a young hitchhiker, which creates trouble in their marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Earned a Best Foreign Film Oscar nomination in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three and won a BAFT Award and a prize at

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<v Speaker 2>the Venice Film Festival the following year. Polanski was broke

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<v Speaker 2>then so As Travels were funded by a Polish American

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<v Speaker 2>film producer named Jeane Kutowski. After the success of Knife

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<v Speaker 2>in the Water they formed Cadre Films, with Gutowski as

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<v Speaker 2>producer and Polanski as director. Their first project is Cadre

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<v Speaker 2>was Repulsion, in which a beautiful woman racked with sexual

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<v Speaker 2>phobias has a psychotic breakdown in her London apartment. It

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<v Speaker 2>was an international breakthrough for Catherine Deneuve, who had made

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<v Speaker 2>more than a dozen films in France, including the classic

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<v Speaker 2>The Umbrellas of Scherbourg. Repulsion proved to be a game

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<v Speaker 2>changer for Polanski, with critics calling him the new Alfred Hitchcock.

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<v Speaker 2>It had its detractors, but it was a critical and

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<v Speaker 2>financial success, and won top prizes at the Venice and

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin Film festivals. Cadre was less successful with their next project,

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<v Speaker 2>a bizarre comedy horror film titled cul de Sac. It

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<v Speaker 2>opened in nineteen sixty six to mixed reviews and mediocre

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<v Speaker 2>box office receipts. Cadre was on the brink of bankruptcy

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<v Speaker 2>when Polanski and Gutowski met American film and television producer

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Ransahoff at a party in London. Ransahoff owned Film Ways,

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<v Speaker 2>the producer of hit sitcoms like The Beverly Hillbillies, Green

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<v Speaker 2>Acres and The Adams Family. Also at the party was

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<v Speaker 2>a striking, aspiring actress named Sharon Tate. She would be

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<v Speaker 2>featured in Polanski's next film, The Fearless Vampire Killers, which

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<v Speaker 2>was produced by Cadre and Film Ways. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>love at first sight between Roman and Sharon. He hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>intended to cast her, but Martin Ransahoff had insisted their

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<v Speaker 2>romance would develop after the production ended the Fears. Vampire Killers,

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<v Speaker 2>another horror comedy, was panned by the critics and did

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<v Speaker 2>poorly at the box office. Polanski blamed Ransahoff for turning

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<v Speaker 2>the movie into a Transylvanian Beverly Hillbillies. Caudre's next deal

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<v Speaker 2>would produce Polanski's biggest hit to date, Rosemary's Baby, the

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<v Speaker 2>story of a Manhattan woman who was pregnant with Satan's child.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also Polanski's first US production, with filming in

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<v Speaker 2>both Hollywood and New York. Variety reported, with a budget

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<v Speaker 2>of three point two million dollars, the movie was one

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen sixty eight's biggest winners, bringing twelve point three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in box office grosses. To Paramount, that revenue

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<v Speaker 2>today would be one hundred and eight point seven million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>The success of Rosemary's Baby changed Polanski's life. He'd found

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<v Speaker 2>love with Sharon Tate, and he'd been welcomed into a

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<v Speaker 2>group of celebrated actors and directors that included Warren Baby,

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Nicholson, and Martin Scorsese. Variety's former Edge in chief

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Bart said, Roman started to like this community. He

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<v Speaker 2>loved the fast life. He became a real star. He

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<v Speaker 2>got good tables and restaurants that had not been part

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<v Speaker 2>of his life. You could see him change to a degree.

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<v Speaker 2>The unthinkable happened to Roman. He was actually happy.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pulansky and Sharon Tate were married on January twentieth,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty eight, and a year and a half later,

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<v Speaker 3>when Sharon was pregnant with their first child. They rented

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<v Speaker 3>a house on Ciellow Drive in the hills above LA's

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<v Speaker 3>Benedict Canyon, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Polansky spent the first half of nineteen sixty nine

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe. In early August, Roman sent Sharon home by boat.

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<v Speaker 2>He believed she was too pregnant to fly. She objected

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<v Speaker 2>to the separation, but he promised to be in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles when the baby was born. He said he was

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<v Speaker 2>staying in London to work on a movie project, but

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<v Speaker 2>after he put Sharon on the ship, Roman reverted to

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<v Speaker 2>his old ways and began hooking up with random women

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<v Speaker 2>every night. He spent the night before the murders with

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<v Speaker 2>a flight attendant. He got the call around ten pm

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<v Speaker 2>London time. Sharon and four of their friends had been

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<v Speaker 2>shot a knife to death at his home in Benedict Canyon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly tragic. After the murders, Roman became a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of sympathetic figure in Hollywood this tragic survivor, and the

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<v Speaker 3>community continued to support him into the early nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 3>even though his next few films really failed to connect

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<v Speaker 3>with audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>There were three films, Polanski's version of Shakespeare's Macbeth in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy one, and two movies released in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend of a Champion and a film titled What. Together,

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<v Speaker 2>they grossed just one million dollars. Despite this poor showing,

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<v Speaker 2>Roman's friend Robert Evans, then the vice president of global

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<v Speaker 2>production at Paramount, hired him to direct Chinatown. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the story of a private detective's investigation into the death

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<v Speaker 2>of a Los Angeles water company official and his wife's

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<v Speaker 2>secret incestuous past. Released in nineteen six seventy four, Chinatown

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<v Speaker 2>became an instant film noir classic. It was also a

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<v Speaker 2>financial success. It cost three million dollars to make and

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<v Speaker 2>grossed twenty nine million dollars worldwide, which would be about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty one million dollars today. Chinatown was

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<v Speaker 2>nominated for eleven Oscars, including a Best Director nomination for Polanski,

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<v Speaker 2>he lost to Francis Ford Coppola for The Godfather Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>The last film Polanski directed before the scandal erupted was

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<v Speaker 2>The Tenant, a Koff Guy esque thriller about a man

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<v Speaker 2>played by Polanski who moves into an apartment where the

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<v Speaker 2>previous tenant attempted suicide. Filmed in Paris and released by

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<v Speaker 2>Paramount in nineteen seventy six, it grossed one point nine

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars, which is about ten million dollars today.

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<v Speaker 3>In February of ninety seven, Polanski flew into Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 3>from Paris on business. He had meetings about an upcoming

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<v Speaker 3>film project, and was also there to shoot a photo

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<v Speaker 3>spread of young teen girls for Vogue OM, a frenchman's magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>His model was Samantha Gaily, the thirteen year old daughter

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<v Speaker 2>of a woman Polansky had picked up in a bar

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<v Speaker 2>a year earlier. The mother would later say she thought

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<v Speaker 2>the shoot was for French Vogue. A spread in French

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<v Speaker 2>Vogue would have been a great first credit on Samantha's

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<v Speaker 2>modeling resume, but Vogue OM was known for its racy pictorials.

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<v Speaker 2>Near the end of the shoot, second day Polanski photographed

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<v Speaker 2>Samantha at Jack Nicholson's house on Mulholland Drive. Nicholson was

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<v Speaker 2>out of town at the time, but he and Polansky

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<v Speaker 2>were good friends, and Roman felt free to shoot at

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<v Speaker 2>the house without permission. They took some photos outside and

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<v Speaker 2>then moved into the house, where Polanski photographed her in

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<v Speaker 2>a bikini in the jacuzzi. She was nervous, so Polanski

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<v Speaker 2>gave her a glass of champagne, but she balked when

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<v Speaker 2>he told her to take off her top, so Polanski

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<v Speaker 2>told her to call her mother and ask if it

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<v Speaker 2>was okay. Samantha's mother asked if anyone else was there

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<v Speaker 2>with them. Roman told Samantha to say that Angelica Houston,

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Nicholson's girlfriend, was in the house, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>she was not. After the call, Polanski gave Samantha a Quelude,

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<v Speaker 2>a sedative that was said to be an aphrodisiac. As

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<v Speaker 2>he photographed her topless in the jacuzzie, the pill took effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Polanski took her into a guest bedroom where he sexually

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<v Speaker 2>assaulted her, violating her orally, vaginally and anally. She told

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<v Speaker 2>him to stop, but later she says she didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>fight him because there was no one else there and

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<v Speaker 2>I had no place to go. It ended abruptly with

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<v Speaker 2>a knock at the guest bedroom door. Angelica Houston had

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<v Speaker 2>come home unexpectedly. Samantha hid under the covers while Roman

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<v Speaker 2>and Angelica argued in the hallway. Afterwards, Samantha and Roman

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<v Speaker 2>dressed in a hurry and left the house. On the

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<v Speaker 2>drive back to her mother's house in Woodland Hills, Roman

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<v Speaker 2>made Samantha promise not to tell anyone they had sex.

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<v Speaker 2>She says she would keep their secret, but as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as she got home, her boyfriend came over and she

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<v Speaker 2>told him everything. Her sister overheard that conversation and told

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<v Speaker 2>their mother. After confronting Samantha, her mother called the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Roman was arrested at the Beverly Hills Hotel, and, like

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<v Speaker 3>anyone else who would be that news ran on front

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<v Speaker 3>pages around the world. He was in and out of

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<v Speaker 3>courtrooms as the scandal played out over the next few months,

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<v Speaker 3>and in August of nineteen seventy seven, he pleaded guilty

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<v Speaker 3>to statutory rape.

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<v Speaker 2>Polanski and his lawyers had assumed that as part of

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<v Speaker 2>the plea deal, he would not serve time, and when

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<v Speaker 2>it appeared that the judge was considering a prison sentence anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Roman boarded a flight for Europe. He never returned to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States after that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting that at the time of Pulanski's arrest, Hollywood

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<v Speaker 3>reacted with shock and outrage, but as time passed, attitudes

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<v Speaker 3>began to soften. It seemed that his genius as a

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<v Speaker 3>filmmaker outweighed this appalling behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>And he directed fifteen films in Europe prior to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, often working with top stars like Johnny Depp,

0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Adrian Brody, Sigourney Weaver, and Kate Winslet. Notable among the

0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.320
<v Speaker 2>European films were Tests, released in nineteen seventy nine, and

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<v Speaker 2>The Pianist, released in two thousand and two. Tests was

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<v Speaker 2>based on a nineteenth century novel and starred Natasha Kinski,

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<v Speaker 2>who Roman had dated when she was fifteen. It grows

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<v Speaker 2>twenty million dollars worldwide or about eighty five million dollars today,

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<v Speaker 2>and was nominated for six Oscars. The Pianist was an

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<v Speaker 2>even bigger success. It was based on the true story

0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of composer Vladislaw Spielmann's internment in a Nazi concentration camp.

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<v Speaker 2>It grossed one hundred and twenty million dollars worldwide and

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<v Speaker 2>was nominated for seven Oscars, including Best Actor for its

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<v Speaker 2>star Adrian Brody and Best Director for Polanski. Fearing arrest

0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.080
<v Speaker 2>if he returned to the United States, Polanski did not

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<v Speaker 2>attend the ceremony. Brody won the Best Actor award and

0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.520
<v Speaker 2>as evidence that Hollywood's disapproval of Roman was waning. When

0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it was announced that he had won, he received a

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<v Speaker 2>standing ovation in absentia.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the next three years, support for Polansky and Hollywood grew.

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<v Speaker 3>It reached its peak in September two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 3>when Roman flew into Switzerland to attend the Zurich Film Festival,

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<v Speaker 3>where he was to receive a Lifetime Achievement award.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was detained at immigration because American authorities made

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<v Speaker 2>a provisional request for his arrest. He spent sixty seven

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<v Speaker 2>days in a Zurich detention center while he raised a

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<v Speaker 2>four point five million dollars bond. Because he'd been born

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<v Speaker 2>in Paris, Polanski was protected from extradition as long as

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<v Speaker 2>he remained in France. Unlike France, Switzerland had an extradition

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<v Speaker 2>treaty with the United States. After putting up his home

0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.880
<v Speaker 2>in Paris as a guarantee. He was released into house

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<v Speaker 2>arrest at his home in the ski resort of Gestad.

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<v Speaker 2>The film communities in Europe and in Hollywood reacted to

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<v Speaker 2>Roman's arrests us with an outpouring of support. Dozens of actors, directors,

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<v Speaker 2>and producers signed a petition calling for Polanski's release. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>a list of a few of them. David Lynch, Martin Scorsese,

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Vim Venders, Pedro Almodovar, Wes Anderson, Adrian Brody, Jonathan dem Buck,

0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Henry Michael Mann, Julian Schnabel, and Tilda Swinton. Deborah Winger.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the Zurich Film Festival jury presidents said, we stand

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<v Speaker 2>by and await his release and his next master work.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope today that this latest order will be dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>It is based on a three decade old case that

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<v Speaker 2>is all but dead except for a minor technicality. Sigourney

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<v Speaker 2>Weaver told CNN. He is sweet and very strong, and

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<v Speaker 2>is very, very demanding in the tradition of an alteur.

0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Among Polanski's advocates in two thousand and nine were men

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.800
<v Speaker 2>who were subjects of abuse allegations themselves. Woody Allen, who

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<v Speaker 2>was accused of abusing his daughter in nineteen nine two,

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Disgrace director Brett Ratner, who, as Variety reported in November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, was accused of sexual harassment and misconduct by

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<v Speaker 2>six women, and Harvey Weinstein, whose abuses made Hollywood a

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<v Speaker 2>focus of the me too movement. In twenty seventeen, in

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<v Speaker 2>a statement to CNN, Weinstein said, we are calling every

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaker we can to help fix this terrible situation. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>Switzerland opted not to extradite Polanski and he was once

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<v Speaker 2>again free to travel in Europe. Similarly, a court and

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<v Speaker 2>Poland ruled it would be quote an obviously unlawful deprivation

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<v Speaker 2>of liberty to extradite Polanski. The court had determined that

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<v Speaker 2>the California justice system would not give him a fair trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Tracy, as you mentioned in October twenty seventeen, revelations

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<v Speaker 3>about Harvey Weinstein's serial sexual abuses led to an outpouring

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<v Speaker 3>of me two allegations against dozens of Hollywood power players. Before, during,

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.080
<v Speaker 3>and after that time. At least five women made allegations

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<v Speaker 3>against Roman Polanski.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first of these came seven years earlier, in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten when British actress Charlotte Lewis accused Polanski of

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<v Speaker 2>forcing himself on her in his apartment in Paris. The

0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.400
<v Speaker 2>alleged abuse occurred in nineteen eighty three during an audition

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.840
<v Speaker 2>for the movie Pirates, when she was sixteen years old.

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.320
<v Speaker 2>The second allegation was made in August of twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>when a woman identifying herself as Robin M claimed she

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<v Speaker 2>was sexually victimized at age sixteen by Polanski. At a

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<v Speaker 2>news conference, she said, I'm speaking out now so Samantha

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<v Speaker 2>Gaily and the world will know she is not the

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<v Speaker 2>only minor Roman Polanski victimized. When Polanski heard about her accusation,

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<v Speaker 2>he told his attorney, I don't know what this is about.

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<v Speaker 2>What could this be. In October twenty seventeen, Ornte Langer,

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<v Speaker 2>a former child model who appeared in Polanski's film titled What,

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<v Speaker 2>that Polanski had raped her when she was fifteen years old.

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.960
<v Speaker 2>She said the alleged assaults occurred in nineteen seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>during auditions for the film at Polanski's home in Gestad,

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and later while the movie was being filmed in Rome.

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<v Speaker 2>Variety reported in December twenty seventeen. On another alleged assault

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<v Speaker 2>that occurred in nineteen seventy five, California artist Marion Barnard

0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 2>claimed that Polanski assaulted her during a photoshoot at will

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers State Beach when she was just ten years old.

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 2>She claimed that she was posing nude on a fur

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<v Speaker 2>coat for Polanski when he molested her. Through his attorney,

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Polanski said he did not know Maryanne Barnard. In November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, Variety reported that the French newspaper Le Parisienne

0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 2>was investigating acclaim by photographer Valentine Monier that Polanski raped

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<v Speaker 2>her in Geshtad, Switzerland, when she was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like these cases have sort of all but

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<v Speaker 3>gone dark, but there has been movement on some recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there has, but it hasn't really made news. In

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty twenty two, Charlotte Lewis sued Polanski for defamation.

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.640
<v Speaker 2>She claimed that he defamed her by calling her accusations

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<v Speaker 2>and odious lie. Unless there's a settlement, the case will

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<v Speaker 2>be tried in twenty twenty four. In November twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Polanski's lawyers responded to a lawsuit from Robin M claiming

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<v Speaker 2>the suit violated the Statute of limitations. It's unclear what

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<v Speaker 2>the status of this case is at the moment. Cases

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<v Speaker 2>related to the accusations by Renate Langer and Marianne Barnard

0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 2>were dismissed because they violated the statute of limitations. Valentine

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Monier did not file a complaint based on her allegations

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<v Speaker 2>that Polanski raped her when she was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was Samantha Gaily who settled with Polanski for

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<v Speaker 3>upwards of six hundred thousand dollars and under her married name.

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Samantha Geimer wrote a book a few years ago about

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<v Speaker 3>the whole ordeal.

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes and it was titled The Girl Life in the

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<v Speaker 2>Shadows of Roman Polanski and was published in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>when she was forty nine years old. After living with

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<v Speaker 2>the scandal for thirty six years, she re emerged in

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<v Speaker 2>public to publicize the book. In an interview with NPR,

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<v Speaker 2>she described the lifelong ramifications of the sexual assault. It

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<v Speaker 2>affected me dramatically, probably changed who I am as a person,

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.960
<v Speaker 2>changed the way my life went. But since it happened,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to judge what might have been different if

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. But I was angry my poor mother,

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<v Speaker 2>who felt horrible and guilty. She also said she received

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<v Speaker 2>a letter from Polanski in two thousand and nine. It read,

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<v Speaker 2>in part, I want you to know how sorry I

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 2>am for having so affected your life. The fault was mine,

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<v Speaker 2>not your mother's. I hope the pressure of the media

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 2>has alleviated and that your family brings you much happiness.

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.879
<v Speaker 2>She said she was surprised to receive the note. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't need an apology, but it alleviated some of the

0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 2>pain and anger that her mother, her husband, and their

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.159
<v Speaker 2>family had been feeling. Samantha also summed up where she

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>landed emotionally. After decades at the center of the media frenzy,

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.879
<v Speaker 2>Polanski and I have both been on the wrong end

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>of the law, the publicity people's comments toward both of

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 2>us that are just nasty and horrible. So we end

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<v Speaker 2>up having a lot in common, which is strange, but

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that's true. That's how this has worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>In the seven years since the Me Too movement began,

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<v Speaker 3>many of the celebrities who'd advocated dropping the charges against

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<v Speaker 3>Polanski have had a chance to rethink their support.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and one famous director who walked back his support

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>was Quentin Tarantino. On the Howard Stern radio show in

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three, he said Polanski didn't rape a

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen year old, it was statutory rape. That's not quite

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. He had sex with a minor, all right,

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that's not rape to me. When you use the word rape,

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about violent, throwing them down. In twenty eighteen,

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>in a statement released to Indie Wire, Tarantino apologized to

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Samantha Geimer for his quote, ignorant beliefs and cavalier remarks.

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:12.440
<v Speaker 2>He also said, fifteen years later, I realized how wrong

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I was. Mis Geimer was raped by Roman Polanski. I

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>incorrectly played devil's advocate in the debate for the sake

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of being provocative. I didn't take Miss Geimer's feelings into consideration,

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>and for that I'm truly sorry. So mis Geimer, I

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 2>was ignorant, and insensitive and above all incorrect. Kate Winslet

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>voiced her support for Polanski in September twenty seventeen, a

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<v Speaker 2>month before the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke. In an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with The New York Daily News, she said, having thought

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 2>it all through, you put it to one side and

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<v Speaker 2>just work with the person. Woody Allen is an incredible director,

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>so was Roman Polanski. I had an extraordinary working experience

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.879
<v Speaker 2>with both of those men, and that's the truth. She

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>saw things differently. Three years later, in September twenty twenty,

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>she was quoted in Variety, It's like, what the fuck

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>was I doing working with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable to me now how those men were held

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 2>in such high regard so widely in the film industry

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>for as long as they were. It's fucking disgraceful. I

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 2>have to take responsibility for the fact that I worked

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 2>with them both, she said, I can't turn back the clock.

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm grappling with those regrets. But what do we have

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>if we aren't able to just be fucking truthful.

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<v Speaker 1>About all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Matt, let's talk about the sea change in opinion

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>about Polanski from two thousand and nine to today. And

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>it was in two thousand and nine that so many

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 2>important people signed the petition to have the charges against

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 2>him dropped. Do you think their reevaluation was enough?

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<v Speaker 3>Matt, I don't know. I mean, it's funny recapping everything

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 3>that's happened over the course of his life, and just

0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.400
<v Speaker 3>the sort of very confusing mixed signals back and forth

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 3>over these egregious charges. I think there are a couple

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 3>of things that are interesting. First, I think was in

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty when the Film Academy expelled him formally. That

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 3>was a major message to everyone that whether or not

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 3>you supported him then or now, that Hollywood will not

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 3>stand for this level of behavior. And what's really fitting

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 3>to me in a sense of justice, although I'm sure

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 3>nowhere near what some of these accusers would have hoped for,

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 3>is the erosion of Planski's legacy. I think that we'll

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<v Speaker 3>all remember Rosemary's Baby as Amya Farah film in Chinatown

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<v Speaker 3>as one of Jack Nicholson's best, But he himself, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think has any place in the also time here exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you Matt for all of your insights today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. I love being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Matt Donnelly, Variety Senior Entertainment and Media writer,

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