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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for dake Edo State? Is

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Speaker 2: that woo woo?

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Speaker 3: And no them and tie, Dan Rubinstein, we have a

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Speaker 3: new national champion. Congratulations to the Ohio State Buckeyes. Thirty

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Speaker 3: four to twenty three is your final? Yes, they beat

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Speaker 3: the Notre Dame fighting irish. We will talk about this

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Speaker 3: game every angle that we jotted down on our legal pads,

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Speaker 3: and much much more over the next forty five minutes

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Speaker 3: to an.

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Speaker 1: Hour or so.

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Speaker 3: Good sir, welcome back here on the final evening of

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Speaker 3: the season, the last game, as.

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Speaker 1: The Buckeyes emerged victorious. My friend, how are you?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how I am, ty, People are not

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Speaker 2: tuning in to hear what a sad Oregon human has

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Speaker 2: to say about Ohio State Notre Dame. They're here to

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Speaker 2: hear you, and people love you, people cherish you, people

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Speaker 2: worship you.

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Speaker 1: Right, stop licking the boots.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it's all right, we're gonna make it okay.

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Speaker 2: Here here's how I am. I was worried we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have a good game, and then it turns out for

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Speaker 2: a stretch it seemed like we were going to have

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Speaker 2: a good game, that there was momentum that even though

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Speaker 2: a first half gave us, you know, an interesting start,

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Speaker 2: and then a wave of the other team starting out

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Speaker 2: and it seemed like we were heading to a dark

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Speaker 2: place for the Notre Dame half of this universe and

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Speaker 2: an incredible tidal wave of joy for the Ohio State

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Speaker 2: side of this universe. That we actually had two fan

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Speaker 2: bases that were probably nervous at a very specific time

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the fourth quarter of this game, which, again,

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Speaker 2: as somebody who know nobody in this fight for me,

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Speaker 2: was pretty happy that we had that the spirit of

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Speaker 2: competition late.

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Speaker 3: I think that tracks. Yeah, I think that absolutely tracks. Look,

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Speaker 3: this was a game that started off with a long

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Speaker 3: nine minute and forty five second drive and eighteen plays

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Speaker 3: seventy five yard drive with Notre Dame grinding away at

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Speaker 3: that first quarter clock. Riley Leonard eventually punches it into

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Speaker 3: put Notre Dame up seven zip. You're thinking, all right,

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame's found a way to control the clock. This

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Speaker 3: is the style of game that we talked about in

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Speaker 3: our preview. How did that play defense against Ohio State?

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Speaker 3: You want to try and keep the offense off the

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Speaker 3: out in the next couple drive.

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Speaker 2: Before that, before that, before that, what happened to Riley

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Speaker 2: Leonard after that first nine almost ten minute drive in

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Speaker 2: which it was I don't even know, it was Riley

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Speaker 2: left and righty right, it was Riley straight ahead, Riley gap.

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Speaker 3: It was also Riley running to the sidelines and puking

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Speaker 2: Not ideal in home and is large that you have

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Speaker 2: enthusiastic about it, but into the ground to the point

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Speaker 2: even with that seven nothing lead, where some sort of

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Speaker 2: on the sidelines, as per I think Holly Row reported that.

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Speaker 3: And then second quarter that's when Ohio State started to

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Speaker 3: get its act together. Touchdowns on I believe four consecutive

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Speaker 3: drives that put them up twenty eight to seven at

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Speaker 3: the start of the third quarter, eventually thirty one to

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Speaker 3: Dames started to chip away. They got two really nice

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Speaker 3: he broke a tackle, spun out of it, and then

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Speaker 3: second one a beautiful drop in the bucket from Riley

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Speaker 3: Leonard with about four minutes and fifteen seconds left in

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. Notre Dame had a chance at this

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Speaker 3: one late third and long. Just so happens, Will Howard

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Speaker 3: spots up Jeremiah Smith, who was you know, relatively held

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much what put this one on ice for

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Speaker 3: the Buckeyes again. They win thirty four to twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Why don't we start here, Dan, and why don't I

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Speaker 3: start with you? Since I clearly am a biased third

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Speaker 2: I feel like you are still buffering right, you are

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Speaker 2: still collecting your thoughts and your emotions and your takes

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Speaker 2: for the game, for the season, for the Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: side of things, for macro and micro decisions. You're you're

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Speaker 3: I don't want you to handle me with kid gloves,

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Speaker 3: all right, No, but I'm through this like the men

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Speaker 3: that we are. Okay, Well, sometimes sometimes I am processing

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Speaker 3: good real time. This is why I want to start

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Speaker 3: with you with a okay. Ohio State went out. They

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Speaker 3: did what they have been doing throughout this tournament, which

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Speaker 3: is a fast start, which is scorgan their first drive,

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Speaker 3: which is basically putting teams in this impossible riddle, which is, well,

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Speaker 3: if you want to play the pass a little bit

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Speaker 3: too much, we'll run it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: If you want to play the run a little bit

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Speaker 3: If you find a way to contain both, then Will

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Speaker 3: him this game against Notre Dame. It worked to great effect.

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Speaker 3: I guess, looking at the Ohio State side of things

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Speaker 3: did our preview episode last week, any surprises, any big takeaways,

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Speaker 3: what comes to mind first when you think of the

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Speaker 3: performance we saw from Ohio State tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's just variety, variety from Ohio State. And even though

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Speaker 2: you know it wasn't a dominant rushing performance, but Ohio

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't Jeremiah Smith highlight catch after highlight catch

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Speaker 2: but obviously the threat of that was something that Notre

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Speaker 2: was just very apparent that Ohio State's plan and confidence

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Speaker 2: I really liked what Notre Dame came out and did

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Speaker 2: where they're just like, you know what, we need to

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Speaker 2: it's very difficult to bring Riley Leonard down and so

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Speaker 2: in terms of where Ohio State was, they weren't perfect.

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Speaker 2: They obviously made mistakes in the secondary in this game,

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Speaker 2: just seemed that emotionally and x's and o's wise and

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Speaker 2: prepared to have a game plan for Jeremiah Love, especially

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Speaker 2: It was a long play, it was a long successful

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Speaker 2: these receivers, and Will Howard was just pinpoint what here's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Howard was really good. He had time to throw.

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Speaker 3: In my view, he was the player of the offense

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Speaker 3: team's leading rusher. He had sixteen carries for fifty seven yards.

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Speaker 3: He was sensational through the air. What was striking to

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Speaker 3: Ohio State almost reverted to a Notre Dame style of

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Speaker 3: more on misdirection and trying to do some ground and

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Speaker 3: it was there, clearly Will Howard had a lot of

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Speaker 3: just maintain possession, to wind the clock, to avoid mistakes,

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Speaker 1: They were able to hold on.

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Speaker 3: The Other thing that jumped out to me, I think

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Speaker 3: in the Ohio State side was really the interesting chess

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Speaker 3: specific mention of Notre Dame's man defense in our preview.

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Speaker 3: We've really been talking about it all season long, certainly

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Speaker 3: in this playoff, But the ability for Ohio State to

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Speaker 3: diagnose what Notre Dame was doing. I think it was

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Speaker 3: Herbie on the broadcast who said that they were mixing

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Speaker 3: things up. Even Ryan Day said it at halftime. They

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Speaker 3: were mixing things up. They were playing man and they

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Speaker 3: They were mixing it up a lot more than they

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Speaker 2: but it was touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. They

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Speaker 3: it could once it had a chance to settle in late.

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00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 3: Clearly they were able to hold Ohio State. You know,

438
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 3: in the dying moments of this game within striking distance.

439
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: There was the big pass play to Jeremiah Smith when

440
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 3: they burnt Christian Gray. But the Notre Dame defense put

441
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: itself in a position to make some plays to give

442
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: the offense an opportunity to score some points.

443
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: It just wasn't enough in the end.

444
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: Ohio State with four hundred and forty five total yards

445
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 3: in this one, they outgained Notre Dame by about one

446
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards. So it's four to forty five

447
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: to three oh eight, give or take Notre Dame with

448
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: more pass yards. Obviously they had a throw for the

449
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: majority of the second half. Clearly Ohio State with a

450
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: lot more on the ground. Two fourteen to fifty three.

451
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Speaker 3: In my view, that was sort of the difference, right,

452
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: Their effectiveness on the ground, interestingly enough, not a unit

453
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 3: that we look at and say that's a great rushing team, right,

454
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 3: Still don't think they're a great rushing team, Dan, but

455
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: they have guys who stepped up, won the moments. Quinn

456
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: Shawn Judkins a big run, some tough runs in the

457
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: red zone, Trey Henderson showing his burst, Will Howard showing

458
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more on the ground than we've seen

459
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Speaker 3: this season. This has been a story, I think throughout

460
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: the playoff as well. Not a team we've associated this

461
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: year with having an electric round attack, but.

462
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Speaker 2: Should be noted left tackle goes down during the Oregon game,

463
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: first round left tackle and Josh Saimillie Seth McLaughlin before

464
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: McLaughlin before the penn'sun Absolutely, I believe absolutely everybody's beat

465
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: up at this point. But that does affect things, of

466
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: course does affect things.

467
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Speaker 3: But they were more than good enough to use that

468
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: running game to their advantage here.

469
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that's right. It was. It was

470
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: a fascinating back and forth in that first half, and

471
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Speaker 2: I'm I think it was the first touchdown, just in

472
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: terms of pure play design that it was Jeremiah Smith

473
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: lined up one on one with Christian Gray. I believe

474
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: at the at the top of our TV screen.

475
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Speaker 1: I did not like the Gray versus Smith matchup. There

476
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of that.

477
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Speaker 3: Really.

478
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Speaker 2: I don't know how big Gray is. I know Leonard

479
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: Moore is a bigger Yeah, he's also a freshman six

480
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: twoish or something, right.

481
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: I really would have preferred it be Leonard Moore, And

482
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: we did see a little bit of that early. It

483
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: ended up being Christian Gray in some of the key moments,

484
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: and it was clear that whether Gray was on Abuca,

485
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: whether he was on Jeremiah Smith, he was the guy

486
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: that they were going after.

487
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: He was a guy that they were going after.

488
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: That on that first touch I was just gonna mention

489
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 2: the play design was great. It was when you saw

490
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: the reverse angle, Christian Gray was like, something is up.

491
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: I should have helped something is up. I should have

492
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: help ye And it was a fake reverse swing pass

493
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: to Jeremiah Smith and was just had nobody near him.

494
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: It was a great play design, it was great execution.

495
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: And Ohio State also left was it Carnel Tait who

496
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: had the sort of slang go the slugo that he

497
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: was overthrown for. I don't know if that was Gray

498
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: or Leonard Moore on that one, but you know, good

499
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: play design, good execution there. And so I just will

500
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: Howard was just not off at all in this game.

501
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: And you know, there's no a formula for beating this

502
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: version of Ohio State. Doesn't matter anymore. The season's done,

503
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: this team is done. But I do wonder what Notre

504
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Dame with Riley Mills healthy, Howard cross whatever, because that's

505
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: that's literally it. You have to have an overwhelming defensive

506
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: line to have a chance against this version of Ohio

507
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: State and Notre Dame. I don't you know, I don't

508
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: know what they look like in Week seven when everybody

509
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: was healthy with Riley Mills and everything been.

510
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: Healthy all year.

511
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: I really haven't been healthy all year, right, I mean

512
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: they lost Jordan Betello very early on in this one. Yeah,

513
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, they've been licking their wounds since almost the

514
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: preseason if you want to go back to some of

515
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: their injuries along the offensive line. So this has been,

516
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: as I said in the last episode, kind of the

517
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: story of the year for this team. Outside of that,

518
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: NIU loss in Week two. It's been dealing with injuries

519
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: and rebounding from them as they continue to pile on.

520
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know, he may have had

521
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: a penalty jag you saw at left tackle right Riley

522
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: Leonard was like when he would take his drops and

523
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: step into the pocket, if he were throwing on time

524
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: and in rhythm. He was kept pretty clean. This wasn't

525
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame offensive line that was taken advantage of

526
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: by I know, going into the game, you were worried

527
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: about Tyler Williams. Yeah, this wasn't a collapsing pocket. Consistently,

528
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: this wasn't. I mean, obviously, the Ohio State front did

529
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: a great job against Notre Dame on the ground, but

530
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: in in terms of pushing this offensive line around in

531
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: the passing game, especially in the second half, Notre Dame's

532
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: offensive line patchworck as it was kind of held up fine.

533
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: I thought it held up fine, and I thought they

534
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: held up fine given the deficit that they had to

535
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: try and crawl out of. This has been one of

536
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: the characteristics of this team that we have seen on

537
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: display a couple times through the playoff, sparingly throughout the year,

538
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: where they face a little bit of adversity.

539
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: And they find ways to win moments.

540
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: And with them being down twenty four points relatively late

541
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: in this game, there was no give up in this

542
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: team at all.

543
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: There was no give up.

544
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: They weren't punting in weird fourth down situations, correct, They

545
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: were leaving it all out there on the field. And

546
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: I thought Riley Leonard rose to the moment. I thought,

547
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: Jayden Greathhouse. You mentioned Mitchell Evans. I thought as a collective,

548
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: they were very good at trying to keep themselves in

549
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: this football and they didn't win. I think the better

550
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: team won definitely, but I do think Notre Dame deserves

551
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: some credit for fighting this one tooth and nail to

552
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: the very bitter end. I think it's falls number one loser,

553
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: Notre Dame number one loser. There, yeah, the runner up.

554
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: I think it says a lot about this coaching staff,

555
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: and I think it's in a sense emblematic of the

556
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 3: season because after that NIU loss, it would have been

557
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: easy for many of the guys in this team to

558
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: give up, to give up the vision of maybe making

559
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: a tournament like this, or even making it this deeply

560
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: in the tournament. The fact that they made it here

561
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: at all really is a pretty good story for them

562
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: and something that they can build on.

563
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame will be fine.

564
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: They do lose a fair amount next season, but we'll

565
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: deal with that in due course.

566
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: Dan.

567
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 3: I give Marcus Freeman, the staff, the players a lot

568
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: of credit for the way they were able to hang

569
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: with Ohio State in this one down the stretch when

570
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: it felt like things could be out of hand. Last though,

571
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: I think the better team wins, the better team wins

572
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: again thirty four to twenty three. At least we've got

573
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: a relatively good game out of it.

574
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: In the end.

575
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: It felt decent. Near the end, there was a long

576
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: stretch where I imagine Ohio State fans felt like things

577
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: were just coaston and Notre Dame fans were in their

578
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: feelings about how the rhythms went.

579
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: Both teams finished fourteen and two sixteen games apiece from

580
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: both of these schools, which is a lot that's more

581
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: than we're used to. I think it's pretty clear where

582
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: Marcus Freeman is at now. Marcus Freeman in year three,

583
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: making the National Championship, recruiting well, seemingly has a lot

584
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: of forward momentum with this program, going to have a

585
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: new quarterback, going to have a bunch of new faces

586
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: next year. But there aren't a whole lot of people

587
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: who covered the sport as closely as you and I

588
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: around the country that think Noted is anything other than

589
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: a top ten team going into next season. They appear

590
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: to have a lot in place for a sustained run

591
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: at this playoff, maybe more cracks at a national championship.

592
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: The same is definitely true for Ohio State.

593
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: I was like, should we talk about the winning team

594
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: and the narrative surrounding the Buckeyes.

595
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is where I am going with this, because

596
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: that I think is the more interesting angle. Ohio State

597
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: loses to Michigan.

598
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: First off, they lose to your Oregon Ducks on the

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: road by one point?

600
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: Is that so okay?

601
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: Then say what you want about the NIU loss back

602
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: in week two for Notre Dame. The most inexplicable upset

603
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: from my vantage point all season was Ohio State with

604
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: thirteen weeks to prepare, with thirteen weeks of tape, knowing

605
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: exactly what this Michigan team was, only scoring ten points

606
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: and losing that rivalry. I don't know how that happened.

607
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what the game plan was. That to

608
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: me is the most confusing thing I saw all season long,

609
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: full stop.

610
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly there is a lot attached to that game.

611
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot of weight that's been on the shoulders

612
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: of Ryan Day as a result of losing yet another

613
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: one to Michigan.

614
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

615
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: For them to rebound, come back through the tournament, maul

616
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: everybody they played, and end up winning this tournament, that

617
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: is a redemption arc for Ryan Day, is it not?

618
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: As we did a show with ari Ari Wasserman, our

619
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: friend from on three from Andy and aar I remember

620
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: in the immediate aftermath of that Michigan game, and you

621
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: and I talked through there are clips out there, you

622
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: can go and find them on the social channels, talking

623
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: through what does this mean for ran? Where does Ohio

624
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: State go from here? It felt like almost just lost

625
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: and wayward and more soul searching. Ryan Day had talked

626
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: about how this was like roughly equivalent to losing family members.

627
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a big deal for them to

628
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: lose this game and to struggle with Michigan. To now

629
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: come back and win this title, I think says a

630
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: lot about him. Obviously, It's the first page of the

631
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: bio for him. That to me, I think if we

632
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: take a step back as we talk about this now,

633
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: as we enter the offseason, is sort of where my

634
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: mind goes first, just that redemption arc for Day.

635
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he has the opportunity to do the funniest

636
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: thing now and just leave the Ohio State job. And

637
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if there are any open NFL jobs

638
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: at the time we're recording this, if like the Saints

639
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: or whoever is still open. No, he's not going to

640
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: leave Ohio State, at least not now, not for any

641
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: opportunities available as we can see them right now. An

642
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: incredible redemption arc for Ryan Day and Ohio State. And

643
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, they put up the stats about the coaches

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: all time with the best winning percentage having coached a

645
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: minimum fifty games, Like, he's had an incredible run and

646
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: has also lost four straight games to Michigan. It's this

647
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: incredibly unique situation where he's so very clearly excellent and

648
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: one of the top coaches in this sport that are

649
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: currently coaching, that have coached recently. You can't really in

650
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: good faith argue otherwise unless you are very specifically an

651
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: Ohio State fan. Who has a lot of understandably so

652
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: emotion wrapped up in the Michigan rivalry. Again understandably. So

653
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: it's just wild to think about the unique nature of

654
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: both being excellent and losing four in a row to Arrival.

655
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: And that's college football. Obviously we have situations like this,

656
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: but it is wild to think about that Ohio State.

657
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: And this is one of the I would argue great

658
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: things about sports and sports that have longer seasons is

659
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: it allows teams to have seasons that are living, breathing

660
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: things that if you're an NBA team, you can lose

661
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: six games in a row and it's not the end

662
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: of the world because it's March and you have time

663
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: to figure things out and you're like, oh, this guy

664
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: was heard. Oh we were in our head about this.

665
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh we the shooting went cold or our hitting went cold.

666
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: For a baseball team, that it is a good thing

667
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: for a team to have a down stretch and figure

668
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: it out and dig their way out of it. That's

669
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: a good thing. We've just never had that in this sports.

670
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: We've just never had an organized postseason that allows for

671
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: that kind of breathing room. And so in the last

672
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: decade since Ohio State last won a national championship against

673
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: America's team, my big beautiful Oregon Ducks in the twenty

674
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: fourteen season, which I think they also they lost their

675
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: opener to Virginia Tech. I want to say that was

676
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: the year in which they lost that game, but to

677
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: have two losses if this were a literal year ago,

678
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Ohio State's not in his conversation for being in nor

679
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: is notre names of the post.

680
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: Either team in last year's setup right would be in

681
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: the tournament, and Notre Dame at least is closer to it.

682
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: But yes, they would have had an egregious loss when

683
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: you started comparing resumes and not crazy impressive wins as

684
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: much as Texas A and M at least had a

685
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: moment kind of two thirds of the way into the

686
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: ear before fading. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

687
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: We would have had, you know, Georgia and Texas and

688
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: Penn State and Oregon or some commonate who knows what

689
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: exactly the fourteen playoff looks like, because that's not the

690
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: reality in which we live. It's just wild to think

691
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: about that we have this playoff for a few different reasons.

692
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: I guess right, it's more access to teams, but it's

693
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: also going to advantage teams that are built like and

694
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: have seasons like Ohio State, that have the depth to

695
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: bounce back, have the wherewithal to bounce back, have the

696
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: coaching quality, the coordinators, the assistants to diagnose and bounce

697
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: back and to fulfill their potential. Even though in the

698
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: last one hundred and fifty years, if you lose the

699
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: way that they lost to Michigan and are not playing

700
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: for a conference championship, which is of course a new

701
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: part of this sport relatively speaking, that Ohio State's not

702
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: in this position to prove that at least at their best,

703
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: they're better than everybody, because this would have been a

704
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: team in some sort of second tier bowl game and

705
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 2: they would have blown somebody out, maybe depending on who

706
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: does or does not opt out, and we could have

707
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: had that conversation, I guess, like we did with the

708
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: Ohio State team that lost to Michigan State team and

709
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: Zeke is you know, sick and not getting carries and

710
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: urban Meyer like that was a similar situation. But this

711
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: new system Afford's breathing room, which we want the best

712
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: team to win. How we define that moving forward is

713
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 2: going to be interesting. But two losses now is okay?

714
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: That is that is there is now a blueprint, and

715
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how quickly we're going to change this tournament,

716
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: but we are in a world in which we allow

717
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: a do over, we allow a mullet again, and that's

718
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: just something we all have to make peace with because

719
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: Ohio State proved it on the field.

720
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: I want to keep the focus on Ohio State. I

721
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: want to keep the focus on Notre Dame since these

722
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: are the two teams that were in it. But I

723
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: will say, if we zoom out a second, we know

724
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: because we have seen the comments that have come into

725
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: us throughout the course of the year, in the year

726
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: leading up to this year, with respect to this new

727
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: twelve team format, it's different.

728
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: It's different.

729
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: It's very different from what a lot of us are

730
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: used to even for you and I. I mean, we

731
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: went like three weeks without knowing what day it was

732
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: because they're playing these games one days other than Saturday,

733
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: so our whole world is built around Saturdays for like

734
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: six months out of the year. I mean it it

735
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: threw us all for a loop. I do think in retrospect,

736
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: it was, if nothing more, very interesting. It added an

737
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: element of intrigue to the postseason. You may not like

738
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: the fact that a two loss team is crowned national

739
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: champion or even allowed into this tournament.

740
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: That is your prerogative.

741
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: But Boise had to buy, Asu had to buy. Yeah.

742
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are parts of this that I think we

743
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: all can point to and say that should be fixed,

744
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: That could be tweaked, that needs to be honed. Nothing

745
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: needs to be in its final perfect state the first

746
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: time through. Okay, and this definitely is no exception, But

747
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: I see the numbers for our show, and I can

748
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: tell you just based on the traction that we got

749
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: over the last month and a half, there was real

750
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 3: interest in this playoff.

751
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: There was real it's your interest in this playoff.

752
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: You're one, of course you're one.

753
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: And we're going to take some time, i'm sure, this

754
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: offseason to go through and evaluate if and when there

755
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: was a drop off in terms of that fan interest,

756
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: where maybe they can make some twet to I guess,

757
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: improve the product for people, to make sure that the

758
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: most people are watching at least to keep it entertaining

759
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: for everybody who likes college football. But if nothing more,

760
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: the data that I have suggests that it was interesting,

761
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: and I tend to agree. Now, I wanted this from

762
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: the start, and maybe I'm again a biased third party here,

763
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: but I do think if nothing more, I know we

764
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: had some blowouts, I know it's not perfect, and I

765
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 3: know it still isn't for everybody, but definitely it did

766
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: make things interesting down the stretch, and for that I

767
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: am grateful because before this it was a lot of

768
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: Bowl games that frankly were exhibitions with a ton of

769
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: opt outs. We at least got to see what I

770
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: think was a pretty high level tournament. So that was

771
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: new and that was cool.

772
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: And we're still talking about a Bowl slate that mostly

773
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: had no pop tarts. There was a pop tart game,

774
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: there was a pop tart game, but mostly no pop tarts.

775
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: That's right, So that's something that probably need to be reconfigured.

776
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: We just need more tasty toaster. I don't even like

777
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: pop tarts. I don't know where are we going that

778
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: I like the concept of pop tarts. No, I think

779
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: you're right. No, it's it's wild to think about, just

780
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: because of the length of these schedules and how the

781
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: sport is calibrated with portal stuff, with nil stuff that

782
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: like the the Razor's edge at which both of these

783
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: teams operated. That we talked about this a little bit

784
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: on the preview that like, all right, what if Mike

785
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: Elcho was like, I don't want to go to College Station,

786
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick around, and Ryley Leonard's happy in Durham

787
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: And same goes for like what if Kansas State didn't

788
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: fully make it clear that they were ready to move

789
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: on to Avery Johnson and Will Howard's NFL draft grades

790
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: weren't as good as he had hoped, And like, there's

791
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: just there's so many moving parts with all of this,

792
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: and like or if Ohio State is in the Big

793
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: Ten Championship game because they don't lose that Michigan game,

794
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: And there's just there's so much that I think the

795
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: committee and the people behind the scenes of the College

796
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: Football Playoff have to figure out with how the postseason

797
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: is organized. It was year one. I have no faith

798
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: that they're going to be able to do it. There's

799
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: just they're going to change things either this coming year

800
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: or the next year when it goes to fourteen teams,

801
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: and they're just going to be unforeseen circumstances because it's

802
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: an impossible job. Obviously, but this is where we are

803
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: now as a sport where so much is changing and

804
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: the schedule is so crazy that the ability to navigate

805
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: like Ohio State did, and people are going to quickly

806
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: point out like, hey, they spent twenty million dollars, that

807
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: smooths over everything, And I think I agree with our

808
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: friend Roger Sherman, were like, that's kind of a deal.

809
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: Twenty million dollars for a championship winning roster. I think

810
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: he compared it to what like the fifth best NBA

811
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: player on an average team is making, and you can

812
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 2: win a college football national championship and a billion dollar

813
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: industry kind of a deal. So yes, of course money

814
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: smooths a turbulent sport over quite nicely. But to be

815
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: able to weather players leaving, players coming in, new teams

816
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: coming into your conference, and everybody trying to figure out

817
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: how to best position themselves for success both during the

818
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: regular season and an expanded postseason, I think it's kind

819
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: of obvious that you have to tip your cap to

820
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: both Notre Dame and to a further extent, obviously Ohio

821
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: State within a conference and dealing with what they've dealt

822
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: with behind the scenes emotionally with the Michigan stuff that

823
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: like they were built for it somehow, some way. They

824
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: weren't built to beat Michigan, but they were built to

825
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: win a national championship, which is wild to think about,

826
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: but like the fortitude that that kind of thing takes.

827
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: Crazy.

828
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: It's a good, super impressive. Yeah, it's an impressive season.

829
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: I think the way that they bounce back from that

830
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: Michigan loss is a credit to Ryan Day. Honestly, it

831
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: would have been easy for this team to fall apart.

832
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: I listened to some of the postgame commentary from Quinn

833
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: Shawn Judkins. Yes it's Judkins, not Junkins. The way that

834
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: Kirk curb Street was it different into it. He just

835
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: kept going, he just kept going, the Junkins, Junkins, Junkins.

836
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: I looked on the pronunciation guy to make sure I

837
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: wasn't crazy.

838
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: It's Judkins, it is Judkins. Of course.

839
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: I listened to him talk. I listened to Will Howard talk.

840
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: Everybody talks about the brotherhood that these guys have had

841
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: and how they wanted to win this one.

842
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: For Ryan Day, so kudos to him. I feel happy

843
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: for him.

844
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: I know he was definitely feeling the heat after that

845
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: Michigan loss, and that's been a few years running, so

846
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: for him to kind of bounce back in this capacity,

847
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: he has been pretty cool and definitely been a good story.

848
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: Also, I wish I wish for all of the college

849
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: football brotherhoods to have the ability to add Jeremiah Smith

850
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: and Caleb Down that's your roster. Yes, that helps absolutely.

851
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: I wish that all of your rosters and all of

852
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: the tightly knit locker rooms are also able to add

853
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: generational safeties and receivers to to really give you that

854
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: extra boost. And I don't say that in a mocking

855
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: tot like that's just helpful. It's very helpful for a roster.

856
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, speaking of tightly knit.

857
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: Yes, if I could offer this personal anecdote ready, we

858
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: talked about on I guess it was our last show.

859
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: The credentials didn't work out for us this time around.

860
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: We wanted to go to the game. In hindsight, I'm

861
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: glad I didn't because I probably would have been a

862
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: nervous wreck. Having to be quiet in the sterile press

863
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: box might not have been the best setting for me

864
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 3: in this game.

865
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: So when you look at the news organizations, the very

866
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: serious and rigorous news organizations covering this game. Casinos obviously,

867
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: sure you tip your cap, right ty I Harbor no

868
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: ill will okay, Fan Duel's your draft kings continue.

869
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: Where I'm going with this is I am I wish

870
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: it would have been a different outcome, as I am

871
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 3: Johnny my Notre Dame gear, But I am great that

872
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: for the first time in what feels like forever, it's

873
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: been over two years since I got to watch a

874
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: big Notre Dame game with mom age.

875
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh, that's true.

876
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: We used to watch all these games together. And you know,

877
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: our schedule is pretty grueling during the season. We're recording

878
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: late at night and it makes it almost impossible to

879
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: watch some of these big ones a half hour away

880
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: from here. So in this event, we didn't do the

881
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: watch along stream, we didn't do any of the antics

882
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: that we've been doing throughout the course of the playoff.

883
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: You were kind enough to kind of give me the

884
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: night off from that, and you know, it kind of

885
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: allowed me to go up there and watch a game

886
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: with her. So I wish it would have been different,

887
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: but it was cool to kind of do that again

888
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: because truly we used to watch all of them together.

889
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: There were definitely numerous f bombs thrown at the television

890
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: and from you too, and for me it gets grueling.

891
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: It does get grueling.

892
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: But sure we.

893
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: Had an intense watch watch session and it was it

894
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: was to be able to kind of renew that.

895
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: So and she held up, okay, we have like a

896
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: proof of like.

897
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: And I was a little bit worried because after you

898
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: and I did the Twitter space that we did, I

899
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: was in my old bedroom and I came out and

900
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: Mamma Age was sound asleep in her chair and I

901
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: was trying to wake her because it was kickoff, and

902
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: I for a moment I was afraid she was dead.

903
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: She just was not budging at all.

904
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: And I think the thought comes to mind, like the

905
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: game didn't even start yet. I understand after the game,

906
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: but before the game, I mean, you got to make

907
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: it through it.

908
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Then she woke up. We're all good.

909
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: But alas, I was glad I had that experience.

910
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad.

911
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: I hope everybody out there got to watch it with

912
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: a close friend or somebody you care about, because it

913
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: makes the whole thing a whole lot.

914
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: Better not to get too deep with this.

915
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: So no, I watched it and got to do a

916
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: press conference for a six year old got to answer

917
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: about seventy seven hundred questions in that for only the

918
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: first half. It was bedtime at halftime. But it was

919
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: just like, so, Oregon's the number one because they were

920
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: one going into the playoff. I was like, yeah, but

921
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: not anymore because whoever wins this game is going to

922
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: be number one. And I was like, but Oregon beat

923
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: Ohio State And I was like, I don't. I don't

924
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: have the emotional energy to go through this live. Yeah,

925
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I was happy I got

926
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: to watch it with him answering a bunch of questions.

927
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: It's cool.

928
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: It was like the name Price came up and he

929
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: was like price of what. I was like, okay, you

930
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: got time for bed, time for bed. Yeah, it's time

931
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: for bed. Let's get you some dessert. But yes, it was.

932
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: It was a fun watch and I'm glad. I'm glad

933
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: you got to share.

934
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: That was cool, age. I'm thankful for that.

935
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm thankful for everybody out there who took this ride

936
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: with us this season.

937
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: It was a crazy year.

938
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: Man. It was a wide open season. We had a

939
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: ton of fun covering it. It's certainly a lot in

940
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: the throes of the season, when he got upsets, when

941
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: he got.

942
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: All these games go gone concurrently.

943
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just want to thank ARV ballerhood that

944
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: has continued to support us, that has grown with us

945
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: here over the last six months or so. It's been

946
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: definitely a great ride for us. Thank you to everybody

947
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: behind the scenes who helps us keep things afloat. Whether

948
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: it's reverbs, whether it's our discord server, whether it's things

949
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: on the business end or cutting videos or you name

950
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: it. It takes a bit of a village here to make

951
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: sure that everything stays afloat, So we're really grateful for

952
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: that as well. We will be with you throughout the

953
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: course of the off season. We will certainly tweak the

954
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: schedule here and there, try to give the Vocal Cords

955
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of a chance to recuperate. But alas

956
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: congratulations to the Ohio State Buckeyes. The Ohio State Buckeyes

957
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: finishes your national champion thirty four to twenty three with

958
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: the mark of fourteen and two, and per our friend

959
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: Brett McMurphy, they are now the favorite to win in

960
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five season with five to one odds.

961
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: What do they give me the odds for next year.

962
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: Is what it looks like.

963
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: Ohio State is your favorite at five to one to

964
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: be the national champion next season. George Bulldogs at six

965
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: to one, Your Oregon Ducks six and a half to one,

966
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: Sure Texas at seven to one, Penn State at nine

967
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: to one, Alabama at twelve, Notre Dame at seventeen to one,

968
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: and then just to round things out, Clemson at twenty

969
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: lsu Ole, Miss and Tennessee at twenty five A and

970
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: m at thirty, Michigan at forty.

971
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Not a horrible bet, to be honest with you.

972
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: No, Auburn in Miami at fifty to one, South Carolina

973
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: and USC at sixty, Florida at eighty, Nebraska and Oklahoma

974
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: at one hundred.

975
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: We get to do this whole thing over again. My friend.

976
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Could be what Jim Knowles at Oklahoma next year. That

977
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: was the rumor going.

978
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: Into the game, Smitch rumors man.

979
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: Could be Al Golden with the Cincinnati Bengals. Could be

980
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 3: Mike Mickens taking over defense. There's a lot going on, man,

981
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 3: there's a lot. We'll have plenty of time to dissect

982
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: all of this and much much more.

983
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: By the way, just on the topic of twenty twenty five,

984
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State opens with Texas. Yes, they open with Texas Saturday,

985
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: August thirtieth. They're on the road at Washington. Could be

986
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: a little bit dicey. We'll see that. Illinois returns a

987
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: ton and they're on the road in Champagne. At Wisconsin

988
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: we'll see and at Michigan of course, to conclude their season.

989
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame opens the year at Miami, so that'll be

990
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: a carson Beck, hopefully healthy carson Beck Miami, they host

991
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: Texas A and m at home. They have Boise State

992
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: at Arkansas. They're not playing Boise State at Arkansas. Obviously

993
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: the Boise State. They travel to Arkansas the week before that.

994
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: USC is in South Bend. Back half of the schedule

995
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: seems to open up a little bit, but they are

996
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: at pitt and at Boston College. So an interesting first

997
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: half of the season. Oh yeah, for Notre Dame next

998
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: year at Miami, Texas A, and m at Boise USC.

999
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: It'll be a quarterback. Should be fun. We'll see on Notre Dame.

1000
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: And I guess at this point what was the old

1001
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: campaigning on trains the Whistlestop tour. Jody and I we'll

1002
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: be doing an Oregon Michigan what it's like to be

1003
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: at beat Ohio State tour. So look for us across

1004
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: this great land and a unique marriage of beating the

1005
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: national champion and not really mattering at all. In fact,

1006
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: one of us got absolutely destroyed in a game against

1007
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: the national championship recently, but no fun. Year should be

1008
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible experience moving forward to see where the

1009
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: hell this sport is going. Why don't we leave it

1010
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: there again?

1011
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: We thank you all so much for your ongoing support.

1012
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: Please check us out at verballers dot com. If you

1013
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: made it this far, hit follow or subscribe. We will

1014
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,440
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1015
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: please do us a favor and tell your friends as well.

1016
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: We're always trying to grow the forballer hood. We will

1017
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: be back soon.

1018
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: Make sure you stay tuned to those audio feeds, those

1019
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: social feeds so that you're fully up to date with

1020
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: what our schedule looks like moving forward. In the meantime, though,

1021
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: Ohio State thirty four Notre Dame twenty three. Ohio State

1022
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: is your national champions. The first national champion in the

1023
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: expanded twelve team Playoff Era.

1024
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: One of two years of the twelve team playoff era.

1025
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1026
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: for myself, Tie Hildebrand. Thank you all so very very much.

1027
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: We'll talk to y'all soon. Stay solid, Peace,