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Speaker 1: of you that don't know who I am, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: the landing point and arrived there shortly after after dawn.

432
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Speaker 1: The surprise element to rise there just at dawn had

433
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Speaker 1: been eliminated because they were late, but the Hessians, who

434
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Speaker 1: were suspected were told nothing was happening, didn't pay attention

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Speaker 1: to it, so Washington was able to get to Trenton

436
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Speaker 1: uh and The thing that made his his his thing

437
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Speaker 1: work was that he had taken down eighteen cannon, which

438
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Speaker 1: are sixteen six times the number of cannon that should

439
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Speaker 1: normally take for a troop that size, and he whipped

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Speaker 1: them right into the high ground, and um he then

441
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Speaker 1: controlled the battle. And instead of shooting cannonballs out of

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Speaker 1: these these cannons anywhere some three pounders to up to

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Speaker 1: six pounds, he was shooting grape shot and canister, which

444
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Speaker 1: kept the Hessians at bay. Because most historical references will

445
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Speaker 1: tell you that no Americans lost his life in the

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Speaker 1: Battle of Trenton because they since couldn't get anywhere near

447
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Speaker 1: the Americans because of Washington's brilliant stroke to take down cannon,

448
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Speaker 1: put it on the high ground and control the battle.

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Speaker 1: And that's what eventually did. Of course, as you know,

450
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Speaker 1: the battle lasted very little. It was a very short battle.

451
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Speaker 1: Only two Hessians died, including the commander who took a

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Speaker 1: bullet and died shortly thereafter. But he had been given

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Speaker 1: a note early in the morning of December which indicated

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Speaker 1: that the spy had told him that the American army

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Speaker 1: was coming, which he put in his pocket and did

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Speaker 1: not read. So there was a number of mistakes and

457
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Speaker 1: assumptions by the Hessians which turned out to be very

458
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Speaker 1: fortuitous for Washington and his army. It's so amazing, and

459
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Speaker 1: it's somebody. So those are those are issues in battle

460
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Speaker 1: that you don't those are mistakes that you don't want

461
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Speaker 1: to make. But somebody I told that I was going

462
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Speaker 1: to be on this show today talking about this, and

463
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Speaker 1: they sent me a letter that had been written by

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Speaker 1: and you correct me if I'm wrong, by a General

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Speaker 1: Schuler s A. S h u y l E. R.

466
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Speaker 1: And he wrote it to George Washington. And this is

467
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Speaker 1: the quote that stood up, stood out to me, and said,

468
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Speaker 1: be pleased to make my best regards to General le

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Speaker 1: General Gates and gentlemen of your of your suit. I

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Speaker 1: hope we shall meet at a merry Christmas. And this

471
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Speaker 1: was by no means a merry Christmas. No, And yet

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with it, Jonathan, I am not

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Speaker 1: familiar with that quote. So it was written in October UM,

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Speaker 1: before that year, and before before the before the battle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: before the battle. It was written in October. From when

476
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Speaker 1: I'm reading, but this this an American or or a British,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm not sure. I just uh, there

478
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Speaker 1: wasn't because there was a General Skyler up in the

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Speaker 1: upper in the up in the Albany area that whether

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Speaker 1: that was him who did that, which would make sense,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So the interesting thing though, when when

482
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Speaker 1: I read the description of this and what George Washington

483
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Speaker 1: I was doing the research what you're talking to today,

484
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Speaker 1: the research that I did, some of the stuff that

485
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: he dealt with is exactly what we dealt what we

486
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Speaker 1: deal with today. UM. When you look at um, uh,

487
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: he his his command was not unified. UM. The the

488
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: supply channels for food, arms and pay had broken down. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The citizens soldiers decided to come and go as they

490
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Speaker 1: pleased a lot of the times, and basically there was

491
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Speaker 1: just a breakdown and understanding of what the military actually was.

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Speaker 1: And then here's the biggest thing was when you take

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Speaker 1: those different things that are annoying and uh you put

494
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Speaker 1: in there the political appointees, who a lot of these

495
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: were uh young people who were rich, but they came

496
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Speaker 1: from rich families and so they wanted to they wanted

497
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: them to be made high ranking um military individuals. UM.

498
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: That that is one of the biggest problems that we

499
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Speaker 1: have today in in our military. Is not necessary that

500
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: political appointers are getting their kids made high rank. But

501
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: the political appointees are the biggest problems that we have

502
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: with our military. We can't fight a proper war. And

503
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Speaker 1: that's what I loved about this was George Washington with

504
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, but yet at the same time he

505
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: still fought a tactical war. Well, you know, and you're

506
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: absolutely right. It's interesting because Washington was learning on the job.

507
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Speaker 1: He was learning how to be a leader, he was

508
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Speaker 1: learning how to be a military man. He had to

509
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Speaker 1: organize an army. There was no military experience. There was

510
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: no industrial military complex, if you would, there was no structure.

511
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: These people came from booksellers, from you know, if almost

512
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Speaker 1: a quicker converted Quaker General Greene. So these guys had

513
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: to learn how to be leaders, They had to learn

514
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: how to be military people. Uh, discipline, it was absolutely

515
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: unheard of. So Washington, besides doing all that stuff trying

516
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to keep an army together so it wouldn't evaporate, also

517
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: had to fight the enemy. So the number of things

518
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: that Washington dealt was very successfully was truly remarkable. And

519
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: he may not have been a military person brought up

520
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: in the military, like coming through West Point or Annapolis.

521
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Speaker 1: But man, he really did a wonderful job and pulling

522
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: it all together, keeping it all together, um, and then

523
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: coming out with a with a victory. How much do

524
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Speaker 1: we know about the morale of these soldiers when that

525
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Speaker 1: night and when they crossed, the fact that it was Christmas,

526
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, some of them that didn't

527
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Speaker 1: have shoes, which I don't know how that's possible. No,

528
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you. The morale, I think a

529
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: lot of it is. It's very logical. I mean, Washington

530
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: has started out in the defense of New York in

531
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: August was about twenty thou men. When he crosses the

532
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Delaware into into Pennsylvania on December seven, eight and nine,

533
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: he's down to about three thousand, five four thousand at best. Um,

534
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: these are some hardcore guys. Some of the people have

535
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: gone home so liberally people would come back in as

536
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Um, so it was it was catch just

537
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Speaker 1: catch ken um. But the morale um, uh was was

538
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: predictable because of lack of pay, lack of food, lack

539
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: of clothing. Medicine was was shaky at best. But it's interesting, Um,

540
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: the fire of liberty, the fire burning in these guys

541
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: bellies was what kept him going. But you know, I've

542
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: read that one of the biggest boost to morale was

543
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Speaker 1: Thomas Payne's pamplet called the American Crisis, and that was

544
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: read to the troops on December twenty three by their officers.

545
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: It was that had been written during the retreat through

546
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, published in Philadelphia, then brought up to the troops,

547
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and of course that's the pamplet that starts out, these

548
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: are the times that try men's souls, you know, in

549
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: the sunshine Patriot and the summertime, soldier strengthened their duty.

550
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Speaker 1: Those who stand it now will be loved by men

551
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: and woman. It's that apparently was a huge boost to morale.

552
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable that no, listen, I gotta cut it right there.

553
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: But Tom, uh, I can't thank you enough for coming on.

554
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: This is exactly what everybody need to hear. Tom, you

555
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: got a buddy, and I'll have you on again sometime.

556
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for this. This history is

557
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: what people need to hear. Thank you very much. Tom Attic,

558
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: historical interpreter for Washington Crossing Historical Park in Washington, crossing Pennsylvania.

559
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: This is Jonathan gillham Man. What a story. I hope

560
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: that motivates you. We're gonna come back and we're gonna

561
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Speaker 1: talk to some good friends of mine. Uh, Karen and

562
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Speaker 1: Bob Vaughan here in just a minute. This is Jonathan

563
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: Gilham on the Shawn Hannity Radio Show eight d nine

564
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Speaker 1: four one seven, three two six. Let's make America great again.

565
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Speaker 1: Let's do it. This is Jonathan Gilman filling in for

566
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: my good buddy Sean Hannity, and uh, we got it

567
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: real quick. Before we go to another break, I just

568
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: want to leave everybody with this before we come back

569
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Speaker 1: and talk to Karen and Bob Vaughan. Uh. They're the

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Speaker 1: parents of a fallen Navy seal who died in Afghana

571
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Speaker 1: stay in August six, two thousand eleven. And you know,

572
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: after listen to that about Washington and all the things

573
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: that his troops were going through and that he went through,

574
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great contrast to talking to Karen

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Speaker 1: and Bob Vaughan. But make sure as you're driving down

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581
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Speaker 1: Twitter and YouTube. Next week it's gonna be on Newsmax

582
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: from one to two. This is Jonathan Gillham back on

583
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Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Radio Show with my favorite There's like,

584
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Speaker 1: literally I say this every time, there's like fifty people

585
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: back here monitoring and working this show. Um minus forty eight.

586
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Speaker 1: You've got Lauren Nathan back here with me today running

587
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: the running the whole show and making award for your people.

588
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Speaker 1: You're worth for to your fifty people, Lauren plus two

589
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: more so. Uh So that's an inside joke. So you know,

590
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I've been talking about my next two guests for quite

591
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: a while. I love them both. They're amazing people. And

592
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: uh I have renamed uh it's Karen and Billy Von.

593
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: But I've renamed Billy for some reason. To day, I've

594
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: renamed him Bob. I don't know why I've been calling Billy.

595
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: I've been calling you Bob all day. I don't know why.

596
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: But um so it's it's always great. I've been well,

597
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: it's great to have you guys on. I got to

598
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Speaker 1: see at the Christmas party last week, and UM, so

599
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Speaker 1: for there for people that don't know who you are,

600
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Speaker 1: and I just can't imagine if they don't know who

601
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Speaker 1: you are. You're the parents of, um, the fallen Navy

602
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Seal Aaron Vaughan and the co founders of Operation three hundred.

603
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: You you actually co founded that with your daughter Tara Baldwin,

604
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Speaker 1: and uh, you both. Look. I just wrote a book

605
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Speaker 1: called Sheep No More The Art of Awareness and a

606
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Speaker 1: Tax Survival. People can go get it on Amazon right now.

607
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Speaker 1: But you guys, and that's one of the hardest things

608
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Speaker 1: I've ever done. You both have written a book, and uh,

609
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing when you think about it. Let's see, Billy,

610
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Speaker 1: your book is Betrayed, The shocking true story of Extortion

611
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Speaker 1: seventeen is told by a Navy Seals father. And Karen

612
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Speaker 1: is the author of a new book, A World Changer,

613
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Speaker 1: A Mother's Story. And I can't thank you guys enough.

614
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you all on. I thought about

615
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: after I saw you at the Christmas party. I wanted

616
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: to do the show today about Christmas and the reality

617
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: of what Christmas is, how the spirit that we have

618
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: during the Christmas Uh, three weeks really that we celebrate Christmas. Now, Um,

619
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: how that's the reality if we want to make this

620
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: country great again. That's the attitude and the spirit that

621
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Speaker 1: we need to have three sixty five days out of

622
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Speaker 1: the year so that we can completely create the unity.

623
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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to ask you all. You know,

624
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Speaker 1: I haven't been a seal, never been in combat, but

625
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: haven't been a seal and understanding the reality, especially when

626
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: I was in the FBI here and going through doors

627
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: where people may or may not have guns on the

628
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: other side. Um, understanding what I'd be giving up. And

629
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Aaron knew exactly and and charged into battle. Uh,

630
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: a very happy man charging into battle and into these

631
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: dangerous situations is what seals live for. But I wanted

632
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: to ask you all a very tough question and um,

633
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Speaker 1: after uh the death of Aaron. And I'm a Christian,

634
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I believe that you're you're never dead, you live forever. Um,

635
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: once you're born. Death is a doorway that we have

636
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: to go through. But what has changed, uh in significance

637
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: to the Christmas holiday for you all? I know that's

638
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: a hard question, But um, when you look at it

639
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: reality from a Christian perspective. Uh, the reality is death

640
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: is a as a tough but a very beautiful thing

641
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: in that of the location where they are now. And

642
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: how significant is Christmas for you all? Now? Well, Uh

643
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: let me let me just say something here, Karen. Uh

644
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously it's very significant. It's uh you described

645
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: it very well Jonathan, by the way, and and thank

646
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: you for having us today. But uh, it is it is,

647
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: it's it's where we all want to be. Um. But

648
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: for us who are left behind, uh, we're still sad.

649
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: I know Aaron is at home with the Lord based

650
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: on the promise that Jesus made based on the decision

651
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: that Aaron made to to receive the gift of salvation. Uh,

652
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: it's it's we the ones who are left behind, who

653
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: are in the temporary place. We're in the place that

654
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: that we don't belong, so we're not home, and and

655
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: we do miss Aaron missing very much. Um. We still

656
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: put his stocking out every Christmas, just like we have

657
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: since the first first Christmas. That's uh that we had him.

658
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: He was our firstborn, our only boy, our only son.

659
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: And uh we still put his Christmas out and there

660
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: his sucking out and then and there's a there's a place, uh,

661
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: there's there's just a hole there. There's a there's a

662
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: hole there. And everything you do and even at the

663
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: same time, there's a there's this. There is a joy

664
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: there even in all the sadness, because he is where. Uh.

665
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: If you have children, you and and you're a believer,

666
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: you always pray that your children will end up and

667
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: he is there. We just never thought. I never thought

668
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: about how the homegoing would be. You know, yeah, hear, yeah,

669
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: you know I feel the same way. Christmas is really

670
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: difficult to get through. And I'll tell you why, Jonathan.

671
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: It's because and by the way, Hi, thanks so much

672
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: for doing this. But you know, and I love you too,

673
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: that it's because of this. You know, like throughout your life,

674
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: you just you look forward to the holidays for one reason,

675
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: because those are times where you get to break away

676
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: from all the hustle and bustle of life and just

677
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: spend that quality time with your family. So you know,

678
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: Christmas is one of those holidays because where we get

679
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: a lot of extra time where it's so family centric.

680
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: And so when you have a huge gaping hole in

681
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: your in your world, of your family. It makes it

682
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: makes it a very difficult time a year. But at

683
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: the same time, Billy and I are just what he said.

684
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: We know where Aaron is. We know that we'll be

685
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: with him again one day. We know that even though

686
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: he died seven miles away from all of us who

687
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: loved him, he took his last breath in the arms

688
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: of the one who loved him more than any of

689
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: us could happen. And that's our hope, and that's our

690
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: joy and holidays, we try to celebrate him because we've

691
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: got a lot of wonderful people still here in our life,

692
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: in this family, and and we want to stay here

693
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: in present for them, and that's what we try to do. Well.

694
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about this, um, doing this interview

695
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: is is probably not as hard, but it's hard on

696
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: me to do this interview as well as have you

697
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: all answered these questions, but I think they're important questions, UM.

698
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: But just this is what's interesting about My father actually

699
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: was born on Thanksgiving and died on Christmas, if believe

700
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: it or not, and I was thirteen years old. I

701
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: was with him when he died. I remember walking over

702
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: to him and opening his eyes up and and realizing

703
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: at thirteen years old the difference between life and death

704
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: and the presence here and the presence there, and um.

705
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: One of the things that that I've noticed out of

706
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: that is what came out of my father was had

707
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: an i q of over a hundred sixty what was

708
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: had a terrible time in life, having been verbally abused

709
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: by one parent and uh spoiled by the other. But

710
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: what came out of his death was probably far more

711
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: um of an extreme impact on this world, far beyond

712
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: what his life was actually capable of of of inspiring.

713
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: And when I look at like the books that you've written,

714
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: when I look at Operation three hundred, what your daughter

715
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Terror has done, and uh, it's I mean, it's pretty

716
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: amazing the way death in such a sad state is

717
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: such an amazing door for incredible things to happen. So

718
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I just want you all, I want to give you

719
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about Operation three and about how

720
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: important it is and how people can donate to that. Okay,

721
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: Karen karonel me say something just right quick, Hunt Uh

722
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: that that is true. Everything you said right there is

723
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: true the same way with Aaron Aaron. Aaron's life since

724
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: he's been gone, has made an impact on this world

725
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: that I'm sure he could never have made. We're you're

726
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: still alive. And that's, in my opinion, that's why God

727
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: has to be in control, is in control and has

728
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: to make decisions like that because we could. I would

729
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: never give my boy up for anything. I would never

730
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: give him up. But I know the Lord loved him

731
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: more than I ever could. And the Lord makes those decisions.

732
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: And Um, and we trust that the Lord knows best

733
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: and he does, and we trust that everything has to

734
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: go by the throne of God before what happens. I mean,

735
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be just say one thing there, Billy,

736
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: because you know, I'll say this from the perspective the

737
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: errand had is that you didn't give him up, that

738
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: you raised him right. And I always say, if you

739
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: discipline your children, you're gonna raise a discipline adult. And

740
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: he's a man that charged into battle. Um, he made

741
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: that decision and God was with him. That's a listen.

742
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: A parent can't do any more than that. Yeah, and

743
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: God is gracious, thank you, thank you for that. And God,

744
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: but but God is gracious in spite of our mistakes

745
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: of raising children. He knows we're not perfect parents. He's

746
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: very gracious and and uh and uh he he allowed

747
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: it to be uh to be a great Amernican like

748
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: he does, like he does so many other millions. And uh,

749
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Operation three hundred came out of that, and Operation three hundreds.

750
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: You know, now we have six camps scheduled for two

751
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: eight am. We had six past year. The first three

752
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: camps are are already maxed out. We're already uh turning

753
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: kids away. We have well over two hundred kids on

754
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: our roster. And what do you explain to people exactly

755
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: what it is? What Operation three But I was gonna say,

756
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: it is a camp. It is a camp where Aaron

757
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: left behind two children and in the aftermath, you know,

758
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: with his his widow wondering who's gonna teach them what

759
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: their dad would have terror came up with the vision,

760
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: had the vision for this camp. And we bring in

761
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: little boys and little girls who've lost their dads in

762
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: the military in service to our country. They come in

763
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: for the three day adventure camp. They spend those three

764
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: days with a mentor who would have been about the

765
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: age of their father, not an old man like me,

766
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: and he does things with him that you know that

767
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: that dads do with their sons and daughters, fishing, shooting, sailing,

768
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: camp fires and those kind of things. Uh And go ahead, Caine,

769
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: Oh now that's that's it. And you know the the

770
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: greatest thing that's happened, Jonathan is is we also we

771
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: also bring our mothers in and we put them up

772
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: for a weekend of relaxation. And the things that we

773
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: planned for this camp to to be and to expose

774
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: the children to have ended up being the secondary things

775
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: to the beautiful things that have happened. I I've told

776
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Lauren this story one time that UM like, like, we

777
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: bring these kids and we pare them up, like Billy said,

778
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: with father aged mail mentors, and we let them just

779
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: have a weekend of living large. And I think that

780
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: our family got what these children needed more than most

781
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: because we experienced this loss and and so it's not

782
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: a grief camp. It's nothing like that. I often say

783
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: that these kids, if their clothes are worth washing and

784
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: trying to turn to uh to to make where the

785
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: kids can wear them again at the end of the camp.

786
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: We didn't do our job because these kids just live large.

787
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: They laugh, they run, they play, They taught firewood, they build,

788
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: if they just do all the things that rowdy young

789
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: kids ought to get to do. And a lot of times,

790
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: the only person who really gives them maxus to do

791
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: those things with their father. But one situation we had

792
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago was unbelievable. We had this

793
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: young boy in who never really had a relationship with

794
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: his father because his parents divorced when he was very young.

795
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: And so he came to the camp. He qualified because

796
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: his dad was his dad died and he qualified for

797
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the camp and he came and he was just kind

798
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: of meandering around. He had this he had a mentor

799
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: who was in Special Forces, Jonathan, who was a seal

800
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: and and uh and they you know, talked throughout the

801
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: weekend about loss, about things like that, but they didn't

802
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: have any idea what their connection was until Sunday. And

803
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday that the mentor finally asked the kid about

804
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: his dad and he found out that his that this

805
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: mentor was his father's best friend when they were in

806
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: the teams together. And so that, I mean, they just

807
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: could't even believe that these things happen all the time.

808
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: And so now these two have this this Navy seal

809
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: has come in and he's he's introduced his kid to

810
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: all of his father's best friends and they're telling him

811
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: stories about his Can you imagine what that's done for

812
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: this young teenage boy. And so things that happened all

813
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: the time, just mysterious, crazy, incredible things where where these

814
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: kids just have experiences every single time. When kids come

815
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: back the next year after they've been to the camp

816
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: the year before, when we see them come in on

817
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon, I cannot believe the the just chill,

818
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: the chills to the bone when you see these kids

819
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: launch off of the vehicles they come in on and

820
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: come running, from seven years old to eighteen years old,

821
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: come running to their mentors arms to hug them. And

822
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: then the way they cry when it's time to leave,

823
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: and just just depressed and sad that it's time to

824
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: go home because they've built such relationships. So the relationships

825
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: have been one of the most incredible things. Not the

826
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: things they get to do, but the relationships they've built

827
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: with these mentors. I got about a minute left before

828
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: we go to break. What would it take you said you, hey,

829
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: you're turning kids away. What would it take to get

830
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: the rest of those kids there. Um, that's a good

831
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: question because right now we're having six camps a year

832
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: and it's very taxing on our volunteers. The camps are

833
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: very expensive. Uh. You know, the thing of it is, Jonathan,

834
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: money helps everything. Uh. And and right now, our biggest

835
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: expense obviously, I just is kind of tied with what

836
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: you said, But our biggest expense is getting the kids there.

837
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: They come from all over the country. They've come from Alaska,

838
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: they come from Hawaii, that come from as close as Florida.

839
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: But it takes a lot of money to get the

840
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: kids here. And and right now we don't have and

841
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: airlines a connection with an airline's who has given us

842
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: a break on tickets. Uh, it's it's costing us way

843
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand dollars a year just to get

844
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: the kids to the camp before we ever spend them

845
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: penny on them here and when they're there. So, um,

846
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: if anybody out there listening has a connection with with

847
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: an airline, that could help us with that, because we've

848
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: not been able to crack that nut. And Uh, obviously, obviously,

849
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: as I said, at the expense of the camps and

850
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: with our volunteers we're trying to figure out. Tarry and

851
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I actually discussed going to seven or eight camps this

852
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: next year, but we just didn't think we could take

853
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: it on. Okay, now, so let me ask you real quick.

854
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: Are increasing this out the website? Real quick? I got

855
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: like five seconds. Opera dot com, Operation three hundred dot com.

856
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: You got it, guys. Thank I love you both. Merry Christmas.

857
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could be with you, but my you're

858
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: in my prayers as always. And uh, you know that

859
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Aaron's looking down at us right now smiling. Thank you

860
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: got it. That, my friends, is American exceptionalism right there.

861
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: This is Jonathan Gilham filling in from my good buddy

862
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity. This is Jonathan Gilham back in. I got

863
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: about a minute here. I just want to throw a

864
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: couple of things out at you. That was Karen and

865
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: Billy Van that we're talking to you there a minute ago,

866
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: the parents of Aaron von who died in uh two

867
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: thousand eleven Navy seal and you can go to their

868
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: website Operation three hundred dot com if you want to

869
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: help out. Um, this would be a great thing for

870
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Jet Blue if they every want to get involved, like

871
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: they did with Chris Kyle. That be great. Uh. The

872
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: other thing is I want to tell you real quick

873
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: about my book again Sheep no More, The Art of

874
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Awareness and Attack Survival. You can go to Amazon dot

875
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Speaker 1: com and get that. You will not be sorry. It

876
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: is a stocking stuffer and more than that, it's something

877
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: that you're gonna want to take and carry around with you.

878
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: And along with that, if you go to Vets Manufacturing

879
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880
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Speaker 1: put in code j t G ten, you can go

881
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Speaker 1: on there and order all kinds of backpack, body armor

882
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: and first eight kids and stuff. Women, kids, they you

883
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: need to go and check this out. We'll be right

884
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: back eight one, seven, three to six. This is Jonathan Gillum. Listen,

885
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: let's go ahead. I want to spend that up. I

886
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: want to play that before I bring Israel on. I

887
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: think there's I confused him there a second ago. I

888
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: want to ask for that, but I want to play this. Uh,

889
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: those of you got a little taste of that already.

890
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: This is from Charlie Brown before I bring his real

891
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: doutorial on. Uh, you don't want to miss this. If

892
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: you this, We're just this whole show is full of

893
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: incredible interviews, but I want to play this real quick

894
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: because next to listening to about George Washington and about

895
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: um what he went through, and listened to Billy and

896
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 1: Karen Vaughan talk about what Christmas means to them. Now,

897
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything I've seen on television over

898
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: the past well in my lifetime forty eight years. I'd

899
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: like to say I'm eight, but I can't think of

900
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: anything that really spelled out what Christmas is all about.

901
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: Then on the Peanuts Gang, Charlie Brown, when they were

902
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: talking about Christmas and this is Linus go ahead, And

903
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,

904
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: keeping watch over their flock by night, and low the

905
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Angel of the Lord came upon them. The glory of

906
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: the Lord hill round about them. They were so afraid,

907
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: and the angels fed into them. Fear not, for behold,

908
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: I've bring you titys for a great joy it should

909
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: be to all people. For unto you is born this

910
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: day in the City of David, a savior, which is

911
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Christ Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you.

912
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: You shall find the way Brapton squadling clothes lying in

913
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: the manger, and suddenly there was with the Angel a

914
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: multitude of the heavenly host praising God. I'm saying glory

915
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: to God in the highest and on earth piece goodwill

916
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: toward men. That's what Christmas has thought about, Charlie Brown. Listen.

917
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: First of all, the fact that that is in a

918
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: child's voice, so innocent, speaking those true words is amazing.

919
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: The fact that that was on television is amazing in

920
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: this day and age. And I have to ask as

921
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I as I listen to that again, and I just

922
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: love that description, Um of how simple of a concept

923
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: this thing we call Christmas is actually about why I'm

924
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: asking the American people that listen to this show right now,

925
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: why have we gotten away from the spirit and the

926
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: spirit that you have over the next two three weeks

927
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: or it's been going on. Is what you have to

928
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: continue throughout the year. I'm gonna continue to say that

929
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: over and over again. Now I'm gonna bring in my

930
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: good buddy. I just met him a while back, Israel

931
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: Del Toro. Before I have Israel before you talk or

932
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: d T. Everybody calls him d T. Let me just

933
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: tell everybody a little bit about what happened to you

934
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: and then I want to play a little apart from

935
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: when you receive the pat Tilman Award. And for those

936
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: that don't know DT um was in Afghanistan. He was

937
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: a J tech which is UM. Just for the Sythians

938
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: out there to see you kind of know what it

939
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: is that they're. Those are the guys that go into

940
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: a combat situation and literally control the aircraft UH that

941
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: are flying around in support of all that's going on.

942
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: They have become uh integral parts of almost every major

943
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: operation or special forces unit that there is. They're so

944
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: sought after and they're one of the biggest UM targets

945
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: for the to me as well, because they know if

946
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: they get the J tack, they're also going to disrupt

947
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: the operation. So unfortunately dt was in Afghanistan and UH

948
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: he actually got hit by uh their their humby got

949
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: hit by an I D This is in two thousand

950
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: and five, and he sustained burns over of his body

951
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: and never never slowed him down. And let's let's just

952
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: play what he had to say there at the end

953
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: of the Pat Tilman Award when he received that award.

954
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: I think this says it better than anything. So to

955
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: all my wounded injured. ILLIS serves members to say, well,

956
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: the civilians or anyone who's having a bad day, I

957
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: will stay strong for the ones who cannot. I will

958
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: fight for the ones who cannot fight. I will never

959
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: quit on you, and I will finish Shaw. This is

960
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: my promise, this is my pledge. And thank you for Letta.

961
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: This guy who just had a bad day at work.

962
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I feel like someone special tonight. Thank you. Now, let

963
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: that put into perspective, folks, for you, when you think

964
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: you have a bad day, and uh, you're a truck

965
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: driver and you're trying to park your truck and it's

966
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: not working out, or you're having to go to a

967
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: digital log book instead of writing it in paper, or

968
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: if you're a nurse that's listening, or a doctor's listening,

969
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: or heaven forbidden, an attorney and you're having a bad day,

970
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: think about this. Uh, DT was hit an I d

971
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: in the ground and was blown up and burnt over

972
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: eight percent of his body. Israel del toorro my good

973
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: friend DT. It isn't always an honor to have you

974
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: on any of these shows, and I couldn't think of

975
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: a better reason to bring you on, not necessarily talk

976
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: about combat to talk, but to talk about what does

977
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Christmas mean to you after all this? You know, the

978
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: first Christmas after you had your well listen that it's

979
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: compared to the Christmas before this happened, and then the

980
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: Christmas after, and then now that you've come from then

981
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: to here in two thousand five and now almost to

982
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, what is Christmas for you, buddy?

983
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: For me, you know, first of all, thanks for having

984
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: me on the show. A man, there's also always talking

985
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: to you being on the show. But for me, I know,

986
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: like my Christmas for my injury, I was gone. You know,

987
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I never really got to spend Christmas from my son.

988
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: So the Christmas after my injury really put things in perspective.

989
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: Because you know, when you're an operator, man, he's just

990
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: out there take care of the mission, doing the mission,

991
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: take care of your guys, and because that's the whole thing,

992
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: that's your job. So when I was hurt, I didn't

993
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't see myself as as this hard charging guy.

994
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I just saw myself as a father from for my

995
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: son to be there forehand, to see him open up

996
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: presence as I never got to see that before. So

997
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: to see that It really brought a lot of perspective

998
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: to me. And how do you think, you know, as

999
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: far as you know, I know you're saying that, uh,

1000
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: you don't look at yourself as a hard charging guy.

1001
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean you are a hard charge. You're amazing. I

1002
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: met you, and I think you're you're just uh you're

1003
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: you should be uh in hard charge. If there was

1004
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: actually something the dictionary said hard charging, it should be

1005
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: a picture of you next to it. But um, for

1006
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: for the for the the service members that are out there,

1007
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: for the civilians that are out there trying to figure

1008
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: out um, you know, after Christmas is over, and this

1009
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: spirit because the whole show I've been talking about this

1010
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: about how we want to talk about how to make

1011
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: America great again, how important it is not to let

1012
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: go of of this exceptionalism that we have during this

1013
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: Christmas period. What what's your advice to the American people

1014
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: and how they can continue down this road of unity, ethics, morals, service,

1015
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: and exceptionalism that we have during this Christmas season. You know,

1016
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: it is weird, you know, the Christmas season you see

1017
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: the best that everyone is, you know, when it comes

1018
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: to caring and feeling and exception on you know, take

1019
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: care of each other. And then Christmas adds and then

1020
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: Aaron goes back to hating each other, you know, forgetting

1021
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: about goodwill and all that. My thing is, like, I

1022
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: guess the best words, like the last words my dad

1023
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: told me is like before he passed away. Its like

1024
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: taking your family. And family doesn't mean literally your your wife,

1025
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: your husband, brother, sister. It means everyone out there. Everyone's

1026
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: your family, you know, everyone's you know, all the people

1027
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: out there. Take care of them, you know, be be

1028
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: that great person that people inspire to be too, you know,

1029
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: and the little kids we always looked at as superheroes,

1030
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, common books. Man, I want to be like that.

1031
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: I want to be super I want to be people

1032
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: to look up to and somewhere as we go up

1033
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: to forget about that those values how we had. We

1034
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: always want to be great. And maybe there's a reason

1035
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: why all these superhero movies are calling back out and

1036
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: some people to strive to be that amazing person to

1037
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: people to look up to it. And and that's just

1038
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: that's just the goal, just to try and get to that.

1039
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: And is that I'm not saying that your whole goal

1040
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: is to Man, I just want to be awesome. No,

1041
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: your goal should just be hey, I'm there, free man,

1042
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: if you need me, I'm here. And now that you

1043
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: have and again, I didn't know you before this, I've

1044
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: known you now and you're a humble guy. I'm assuming

1045
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: that you were humbled then, what what is it? What

1046
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: is it like, um, when people come up to you,

1047
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: and you know, everybody wants to carry a conversation on

1048
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: with you because they they are enamored by and they

1049
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: they want to hear about you. They want to tell

1050
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: you how much they think about you. What what is

1051
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: the impact, uh that you see now that you have

1052
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: despite the you know, the burns and the the presence

1053
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: that you have is somebody who has been in war

1054
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: and uh and been injured in war. What is the

1055
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: thing that when people come up to you that keeps

1056
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: you going and keeps you engaged with people? Cause I

1057
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: don't see you as somebody who pushes people away. You're

1058
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: You're a person that engages. Yeah, you know, for me,

1059
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: it's it's still it's still weird, it really, it really is,

1060
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: because I guess I don't see myself in that light

1061
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: like other people see me in that light. But what

1062
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: keeps it going with. When I heard a complete sturge

1063
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: to come up to me, It's like, sir, are you

1064
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: Massary Doltorial? You know, are you israel Als? I guess

1065
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I heard your story to totally change

1066
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: my life, you know, at the point of giving nothing.

1067
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Speaker 1: Then I hear your story and completely changed my life.

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Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, holy cow, you know

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Speaker 1: I really have an impact on these people like this,

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Speaker 1: and that's what you know, It really hits me in

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Speaker 1: and that's what keeps me going because I know my

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00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: my story or or what I talked about may not

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: hit everybody, but if I hit that one person that's

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Speaker 1: really really having a bad day, that's ready to give

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Speaker 1: up my life, and it changes, it turns them around

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Speaker 1: just by hearing my story. Everything I went through, any pain,

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Speaker 1: any you know, weak structure, surgery, you know, therapy, rehabilitation,

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Speaker 1: everything I went through. It's worth it just to be

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Speaker 1: able to help that one person, you know, feel like

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: they can still keep going. You know, I listened to

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00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: you and I cannot remember right now. My brain is dead.

1082
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: I cannot remember what The guy's name was Motivational speaker,

1083
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: and he talked about how powerful um we are created

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01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: that we don't even realize how powerful we're created. And

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Speaker 1: I think you're you're you're an example that you were

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Speaker 1: thrust into that. I think people that rise to the

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Speaker 1: occasion that we call heroes when there's a fire, um,

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: law enforcement when they got to rush in into the firefight.

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Speaker 1: You know this comes out in people, this power that

1090
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Speaker 1: that exists inside of us. You've experienced it, right, UM,

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Speaker 1: what do you again? I'm asking this advice because I

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: think you're the one that can actually verbalize it better

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Speaker 1: than most. You were thrust into this. You were faced

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Speaker 1: with your and you told me the story about how

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Speaker 1: you got out of the hum vy and you tried

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Speaker 1: to run back to where there was a creek. It

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Speaker 1: was about two d yards away and you were on fire.

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Speaker 1: You fell down. One of your buddies grabs you while

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Speaker 1: you were burning, put you in the water, and then

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Speaker 1: uh put that out. And then you were laying on

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Speaker 1: your back and you were like this sucks and uh,

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Speaker 1: and you thought you were gonna die in Afghanistan. Well

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Speaker 1: you didn't die Afghanistan, and you've now been thrust forward

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Speaker 1: into this spotlight. M what would you tell people when

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Speaker 1: it comes to stepping up to the plate. How do

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Speaker 1: you do that? And how do you um when it

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Speaker 1: comes time to ignore the pain, when it comes time

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Speaker 1: to ignore them, the heavy burden of ahead, how do

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Speaker 1: you reach inside? Where do you reach inside and grab

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Speaker 1: this exceptionalism? You know? Uh? I would say people always

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Speaker 1: you know time it's like detail on how you can

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Speaker 1: do it. I don't think I could do what you

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Speaker 1: went through. And I always say it's like you never know.

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Speaker 1: Its like I never saw myself as being this person.

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Speaker 1: I always saw myself as you know, being an operator,

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Speaker 1: being out there, you know, calling the air strikes. I

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Speaker 1: never saw myself as a person that will be out

1118
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Speaker 1: here motivating and slid and help to help change lives.

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Speaker 1: Um because you never know. Uh, you just you just

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Speaker 1: gotta believe in yourself and and to find that's fire

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Speaker 1: to keep pushing and not stopping. You know, everyone has it.

1122
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Speaker 1: You just gotta find it. You gotta find what drives you.

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Speaker 1: And for me it was my son. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: show him no matter what it's put in front of you,

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Speaker 1: if you keep that positive mind, you can you can

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Speaker 1: accomplish anything. So my my strength, my my spark. You

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Speaker 1: can say it's my son, but everyone is different. What

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Speaker 1: someone's gonna be. Man, this guy I said I can

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Speaker 1: never do this. I'm gonna prove them wrong. Or you know,

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Speaker 1: they said I will never get out of here, out

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Speaker 1: of the out of the slums of the ghetto. But

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Speaker 1: here I am. You know, I gotta run, Buddy, listen,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta run. God bless you. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have you on again. I'll finish some stuff for you

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Speaker 1: when we come back. You got, God bless you. Sean

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Speaker 1: Handy radio show that was his rail delt World. Anything

1137
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: you in here filling in for my good buddy, Sean Handy.

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Speaker 1: For those of you that don't know me, I hope

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to this whole show. Former Navy seal, Federalator, marshal,

1140
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Speaker 1: security contractor, and FBI special agent, now hosting my own

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Speaker 1: show called The Experts. I do it every night on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: Twitter and YouTube. But next week I'm gonna be doing

1143
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Speaker 1: it on news Max from one pm to two pm.

1144
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: And you can watch that on direct TV. That's channel

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Speaker 1: three forty nine on the Dish network. That's channel to

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Speaker 1: sixteen Verizon FiOS, which I have, that's channel six fifteen

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Speaker 1: or one fifteen if you don't like to watch an

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Speaker 1: h D for some strange reason and on a T

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Speaker 1: and T uh vivor you verse, it's channel twelve twenty

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Speaker 1: and of course news Max TV dot com you can

1151
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: watch it live streams. So that's gonna be next week. Man,

1152
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: you want to talk about This is like a Steve

1153
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: Jobs where they created a computer in the garage. I

1154
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: created a TV show in my apartment in New York

1155
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Speaker 1: and now it's gonna be on Newsmax. Also, go get

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Speaker 1: my book Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and

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Speaker 1: Attack Survival. Order it on Amazon right now. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back, This says Johnathan Gill. I'm filling in for

1159
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Speaker 1: my good buddy Sean Hannity on the Shawan Hannity Radio show.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was thinking today as uh Lauren

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Speaker 1: and I were putting this show together, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: was wanting to talk about how I have been the

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Speaker 1: whole time about American exceptionalism and the reality of what

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Speaker 1: we are as a nation, the unity that we feel,

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Speaker 1: the morals and ethics that we exude, um the service

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Speaker 1: that we have to each other during the month of

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Speaker 1: December leading up to and just after Christmas. How that

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Speaker 1: is really who we should be as a country, as

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Speaker 1: a nation, as a citizenry, as individuals on three sixty

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Speaker 1: five days of the year. And you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we do in this country is we're

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Speaker 1: so divided. Uh. We're divided by our color, We're divided

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Speaker 1: by our cultures. Um. We're not just divided by these things.

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Speaker 1: It's pushed on us on a daily basis. Where we

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Speaker 1: struggled for many any, many many years. Thank thanks to

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Speaker 1: a God given constitution and rights God granted rights in

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Speaker 1: this constitution and their founding fathers that put this thing

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Speaker 1: together so eventually, um, true equality could grow. We we

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Speaker 1: struggled for so many years to get to the point

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Speaker 1: that we are now. But now it's thrust upon us

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Speaker 1: because politically and in the media makes sense to have

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Speaker 1: us divided, because they can then cause us to um,

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Speaker 1: you know, to have uh, to make the headlines by

1184
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Speaker 1: being anxious and by being upset with each other, and

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Speaker 1: that's what gets people voted and splits up the money

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Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. I kept thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: every Thursday, I come on here, and at first it

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Speaker 1: was Rick Unger, and then it was Haraldo and then

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Speaker 1: my good buddy Daniel McLoughlin was would come in here,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, we debate every Thursday about

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Speaker 1: liberal versus conservative. Of course on my news feed, on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook, they get slammed. I'm sure on their

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Speaker 1: news feeds I get slammed. But I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Christmas and this exceptionalism and talk about

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Speaker 1: what UH a liberal thinks about, um, how great this

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Speaker 1: country is versus a conservative. You'll start to see that

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Speaker 1: there's no real difference here. There's differences in the way

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Speaker 1: that we look at it. And I thought, well, rick

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Speaker 1: Onnger's too old. I don't want to bring him on.

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Speaker 1: I thought Haraldo is probably out, you know, laying in

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Speaker 1: the sun somewhere. So I figured, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: who I want on here. Somebody who's a mom, uh,

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Speaker 1: somebody who is working towards her American citizenship, so she's

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Speaker 1: studying this stuff right now. Somebody who UH is a

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Speaker 1: a constitutional expert and uh co wrote a book which

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Speaker 1: is interesting because when I read this title, it makes

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Speaker 1: me think she's a conservative. The Federal Society, how conservatives

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Speaker 1: took the law back from the liberals, and only there's

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Speaker 1: only one thing I can find ad about her really is.

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: In fact, she's an attorney. But will I forgive her

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Speaker 1: for that? Daniel McLaughlin, who I'm on here every Thursday

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Speaker 1: now with thank you for being here, Jonathan. It's such

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to see you. How are you. I'm laughing here.

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Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer thing now that I have you in studio.

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Speaker 1: So I make a joke every now and then when

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Speaker 1: we're on and Sean never gets this joke. I always say,

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Speaker 1: when I'm on the opposite of you because your accent,

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: I sound even more stupid than I really am. Um,

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Speaker 1: and Sean always thinks I'm insulting you because of that,

1220
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Speaker 1: but I'm actually giving you. You have this New Zealand

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Speaker 1: accent um. The Hobbits are from New Zealand. Uh Is

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Speaker 1: Gary Jackson from New Zealand or no? Peter Jackson? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: no he is. I don't know who Gary Jackson is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know either. We can find out after the show.

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Speaker 1: I'll google it for you. Maybe Lauren can do that Nextually.

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Speaker 1: I think Gary Jackson was a seal and work for

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Speaker 1: Black Waters. Oh well, there you go. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Slightly different career paths, but equally interesting. I'm sure. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Peter Jackson is a quie. He's the one who put

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Speaker 1: the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings onto the

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Speaker 1: silver screen. How big is New Zealand. It's about the

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Speaker 1: size of Colorado by land area, and it has about

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Speaker 1: four million people in it. Um it's got one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest diasporas in the world. Actually there is that,

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Speaker 1: that is people who are experts who are living outside

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Speaker 1: of New Zealand. Even the diaspora. Um. Interesting, that's the

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Speaker 1: last five's today. You are a lot of us are short.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I know it's difficult. We're on radio, so

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: no one can see you right now. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: the tallest person. And we do actually call my parents

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Speaker 1: Hobbits as a sort of a kind nickname, actually a

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Speaker 1: loving nickname. I asked you this year to day. Do

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Speaker 1: all New Zealander's hug like steel workers a hug? I

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Speaker 1: swear if you close your eyes and let Daniel give

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Speaker 1: you a hug, you're going to think that she's this

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Speaker 1: giant steel worker that just came off from the building.

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Speaker 1: You're amazing hugger. Well, you know what, I was an

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Speaker 1: engineer before I did the lawyer thing, so I always

1249
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of years in overalls, climbing all over

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Speaker 1: planes and various other things. But you know what, I

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: think you should hug people like you mean it. And

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Speaker 1: actually my husband, the first date with my husband, it

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 1: didn't go that well in his head until I hugged

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Speaker 1: him at the in and he thought, oh, maybe she

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Speaker 1: I think likes me. And and yes, more to the point, yes,

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Speaker 1: just with hype, my lord. So so let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. You're becoming an American citizen and you are, um,

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Speaker 1: somebody who is very passionate about the constitution. Um, somehow

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Speaker 1: you you have fallen on the side of the liberal side.

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Speaker 1: But as we discussed quite often, and I've talked about

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Speaker 1: this on my show before, that not necessarily these lights.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at a lot, a lot of lights,

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01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: um that are high up in the ceiling, there's several

1264
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: different ways you could change that light bulb. You could

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Speaker 1: do it with a stick that has a suction cup

1266
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: on it, or you go get a ladder, or you

1267
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: could do it like the government where they hire a

1268
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: contracting company owned by one of the politicians to do

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: a study on it and then go out and employ

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Speaker 1: ten million people to pick up the building and turn

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Speaker 1: it while one person holding right. So ultimately some people

1272
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: are gonna say, let's just get a stick and put

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Speaker 1: it up there and with the suction cup. Other people

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Speaker 1: gonna say, let's get the ladder. And that's really where

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Speaker 1: the divide happens with liberal and conservative. A lot of

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Speaker 1: the times we want the same outcome, or we we

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01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: we have an idea of what is most effective, but

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: we lose that in the argument between I'm liberal, I

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Speaker 1: have to think this way, or I'm conservative I have

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Speaker 1: to think this way. And setting all that aside, what

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Speaker 1: do you see now coming to this country? What makes

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Speaker 1: this country exceptional? Uh? What drew you to this country?

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Speaker 1: And what do you want the American people to see

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Speaker 1: that we're born here that didn't immigrate here? Um, the

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Speaker 1: way that you see the country? Sure? Um gosh, so

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Speaker 1: much to unpack there. Uh, long story short. I arrived

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Speaker 1: here about fifteen years ago, UM to work for Veil

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Speaker 1: Resorts selling lift tickets. Um. So uh you know, fairly

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Speaker 1: uh beginnings pretty you know, pretty humble, Uh, earning about

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Speaker 1: nine dollars an hour. I came here with a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of student did because I put myself through college

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Speaker 1: lived in Veil for a couple of years is uh,

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Speaker 1: and then I decided I wanted to go to law school.

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Speaker 1: So I put myself through law school, started working a firm,

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Speaker 1: work for a judge, co wrote a book, moved to

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Speaker 1: New York City, UH, and continue to write and think

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Speaker 1: about the Constitution, about politics, about policy, and how those

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: three things sort of triangulate. And so here I am

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Speaker 1: in studio with you today, and I guess Sean is

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: off Christmas shopping or something, so you know, like you

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: may somewhere maybe maybe he didn't disclose where he was

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: going for Christmas. Um so many things. I mean, I

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: feel this country has given me so many opportunities, and

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give back. When you when you when

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: you talk about giving back and what the country has

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: given you, do you look at that from a conservative

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01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: or or excuse me, from a liberal standpoint, because I

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: guess what I'm trying to say is that when we

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Speaker 1: talk offline, we're not talking about liberal or conservative, We're

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Speaker 1: talking about effective, effective ideas. Absolutely, I don't think about

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Speaker 1: my contribution in terms of its political perspective. I think

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Speaker 1: about it as being a part of important discussions, discussions

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Speaker 1: witheople who think differently than me, and it allows me

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: to pressure test what I believe and why, um, you

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Speaker 1: know the book that you mentioned when you introduce me,

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01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Really I immerse myself within into constant into conservatism and

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Speaker 1: what I've loved about the work and and and being

1318
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: on air with people like you and people like Sean

1319
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: is you're constantly challenging me. And I think that's really

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 1: important because we only get better when we are talking,

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: when we are exchanging ideas and we're trying to collectively

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Speaker 1: move this country forward. Do you find it, like I do,

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Speaker 1: sometimes difficult to term yourself as a liberal. I find

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Speaker 1: it sometimes difficult to term myself as a conservative, not

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Speaker 1: because I don't have what you would term conservative values,

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Speaker 1: but because I just can't find effective answers under a definition,

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Speaker 1: because you can't say that everything that is going to

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: work is going to work from that viewpoint. I couldn't

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: agree more. And I think we do put ourselves and

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: maybe each other in boxes, and I think that can

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: be problematic because then we're looking at the label and

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: not the person or the ideas or what they're trying

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Speaker 1: to achieve. So I think it is a problem to

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Speaker 1: your earlier points. You know, it helps in media. Um,

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: you're setting someone person A who's on the right against

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Speaker 1: person B, and you create conflicts and it it creates excitement,

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: and this makes for good TV in a lot of ways.

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01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: The conversations that I really love, where I find common

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: ground with people who I might not have thought that

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Speaker 1: I would have. You know, it's interesting, you said, because

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01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows used to be and not

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: so I don't even know I it's anymore. I stopped

1343
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: watching it, but was American Idol when it first came out,

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, and you would see people rise to the

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: occasion and this talent come out of these people, and

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: then they would supplement that with the arguments and the

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: bickering and the drama. And I never elect the drama

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Speaker 1: part of it. Always was touched by the people that

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Speaker 1: faced this adversity and overcame it. And Uh, it's interesting

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: because when I watched the news, when I watched TV,

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way. If I hear from an

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: expert or I feel that the person truly believes in, uh,

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: their viewpoint. I'm interested in that, but I'm I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm instantly tuned out when I hear the bickering, I'm

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: no sure. And I think when people come to the

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Speaker 1: table with talking points and they're not really willing to

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: have it an intellectually honest discussion and actually, you know,

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: take responsibility for you know, errors and bad judgment and

1359
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: things that people on their side of the aisle have done.

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Speaker 1: I just think we've lost a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: intellectual honesty in our conversations. And I work really hard

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01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 1: every day whenever I'm on here, and really in my

1363
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: day to day interactions with people to make sure that

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01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: I say what I mean, and I mean what I say,

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: that I'm not making any misrepresentations, I'm not reeling off

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Speaker 1: a list of talking points, and I'm really willing to listen.

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Speaker 1: And I think listening to one another is is something

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: that we've lost because we're sort of in social media

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: echo chambers in a lot of ways. And my hope,

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Speaker 1: especially as a person who has coined as a liberal,

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: my sort of life within conservative media, is to reach

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Speaker 1: out to people and to listen to people because I

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: want to hear what they have to say, and I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that there in their hearts are open to what

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Speaker 1: I have to say, and that's ears is and there's

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01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: a song there somewhere, ears and hearts and hearts and ears,

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, take it away. I'm sure I'm still trying

1378
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: to figure out the body parts. Listen, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this. Let's take a break real quick. We're

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Speaker 1: to come back. Uh, and we're gonna touch on this

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: a little bit more and uh and then where can

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Speaker 1: people find you? On Twitter? Blacklin mms D McLaughlin. Sorry,

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: it's a bit of mouthful. And I'll have her. I'll

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01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: actually have her her her Twitter on my account as well.

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Speaker 1: And that's Jay Gilliam Underscore Seal, Jay Gilliam Underscore Seal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter or like me, like me, follow me,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. And then on Facebook it's Jonathan Tique Gilliam.

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Speaker 1: But real quick, before we go to break, make sure

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Speaker 1: that you go to Amazon right now. I'm telling everybody

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Speaker 1: you're not. You don't get me every day. Go to

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Speaker 1: Amazon order sheet no more, the Art of Awareness and

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Speaker 1: Attack Survival um or you can just go down to

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Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble and by it right now and they

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Speaker 1: have him on stock there. You won't regret getting it.

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Speaker 1: This is a Sean Hannity Radio show eight hundred nine

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Speaker 1: four one seven, three two six, will be right back.

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Speaker 1: This is Jonathan Gillham back in the studio from my

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01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: good buddy Sean Hannity, and joining me again is my

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Speaker 1: good my other good buddy, Daniel McLoughlin, who hugs like

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01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: a steelworker. I sure do what shout, I'm gonna hug

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Speaker 1: you again at the end of this, and she I am.

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: She's a little taller than the hobbit, actually more you

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: look more like the Elvin Princess. Oh, that's so nice

1404
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: of you to say. I forgot what her name is Owen.

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: Her name is Owen. You would know that, being from

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. I think she's played by Kate Blanchett, who's Australian.

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: But I still, you know, we have a little bit

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: of a thing with the Australians. You know, if Sean

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01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: Connery had been in that in that movie, it would

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Speaker 1: have been like this. I actually think you're an amazing

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: woman and an amazing elf. Well, if this radio thing

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01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work out for you, then maybe there's a life

1413
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: for you. And Sean Connery impersonation is just saying, yeah,

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: let's see all right, so let's let's let's finish this off,

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: because when we got a couple of minutes, Uh, what

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: do you think the American people that are born here?

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01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: Because I think the reality when we talk about the

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: lack of that, the the fall of American exceptionalism, the

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: lack of unity in this country, whether it's liberal and

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: conservative getting along or a conservative getting along, it seems

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01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: like liberals get along pretty well, but conservatives are so

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01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: they're they're free thinkers. They don't follow a narrative. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the times, I think that liberals are more

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: dedicated to their narrative, far more than conservatives because conservatives

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: want to come home and be left alone. And Uh,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to the American people, regardless of

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: liberal conservatives, from somebody who's come here to this country

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01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: it is becoming a citizen. What is it that we

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: may have forgotten? Because I know that comfort kills, comfort

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,799
Speaker 1: kills freedom. Comfort will kill your body, comfort will destroy

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01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: your marriage and your family. If you get too comfortable,

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01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: you will you will end up falling to whatever forces

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: against you. What do you say to the American people

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: that they should remember about this country that you're learning,

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01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: that you're seeing, and that drew you here you know,

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Speaker 1: I would say that Americans are some of the hardest

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Speaker 1: working people that I've ever seen, UM, and I really

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Speaker 1: respect and appreciate that, and I think being here has

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: made me more of a hard worker. I think this

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: is truly a land of opportunity. I really do believe

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Speaker 1: as an immigrant that inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: I've been so welcomed, so warmly welcomed here, and I've

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Speaker 1: appreciated that there are people from all over the world,

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Speaker 1: not just here in New York City, but in the

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Speaker 1: small towns of Colorado, in the little hamlets in California,

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Speaker 1: and you know, towns of Iowa. I've seen. I've traveled

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Speaker 1: a lot, I've seen a lot of people, and the

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Speaker 1: warmth that is exuded by Americans is something that I've

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: never seen. The work ethic is something that I've never seen.

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Speaker 1: The charity, the way that we give to one another,

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01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: or something that I've never seen. And you know, I

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01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: guess I go back to opportunity. UM. I really believed

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Speaker 1: when I moved here that I could become anything, and

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: I want people here to remember that. UM. You have

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01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: to do the thing that terrifies you, and that might

1456
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: mean leaving your small town. That might mean traveling a

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: little bit around and seeing a little bit of the world.

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: What I've appreciated about being here also is that I

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Speaker 1: see my former life in context, and I've learned to

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Speaker 1: someone who's traveled a little bit and lived in you know,

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01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: three states and three countries, you do have to leave

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Speaker 1: where you're from to really love it and appreciate it

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: in a new way. So with that being said, why

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Speaker 1: don't you just say this repeat after me. I'm Daniel McLaughlin.

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Speaker 1: This is Sean Hannity Show. We'll be right back. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dannielle McLaughlin. This is the Shawan Hannity Radio Show, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back. And this is Jonathan gil And

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Speaker 1: filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity on the

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Radio Show. And I gotta tell you, as

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Speaker 1: we're winding down this show, I hope you've been listening

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Speaker 1: for the whole three hours. You know, some people do

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Speaker 1: actually listen to this show for three hours, And I'm

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01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: hoping that what you've gotten out of this is a

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Speaker 1: better understanding of what American exceptionalism is and how closely

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: it's tied to our Judeo Christian beginnings. UM. I know

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make some liberals and atheists happy, but listen,

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Speaker 1: God bless you, and I hope you, uh you succeed

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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: in life with whatever you have other than the power

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01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: of the Lord to push you forward. But in this

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Speaker 1: Christmas season, um, and when you look at the exceptionalism

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Speaker 1: of the country, that the way it was and the

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: way I hope it will be. I think that is

1483
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: it is inevitable that you will come back, uh to

1484
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: the point of these three special weeks around Christmas, and

1485
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: how important the behavior that we have over these three weeks,

1486
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: the the exceptionalism, the morals, ethics, the service, the unity

1487
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: that we have to each other, to freedom, um, to

1488
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: the elderly, the things that we do a lot of

1489
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: the times in these three weeks around Christmas. Most people

1490
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: don't even consider them the rest of the year. But

1491
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: I keep saying again and again, I'm gonna stay until

1492
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: the end of the show. This is the mindset we

1493
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: need to have on a daily basis, three sixty five

1494
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: days a year. So I want to bring in you

1495
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: know again, as I'm sitting there with Lauren talking about

1496
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: who I wanted to come on this show. Of course,

1497
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't not have C. L. Bryant on because C. L. Bryant, Uh,

1498
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: and I'm on his show quite often. Um. He is

1499
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: a creator, a creator of the film Runaway Slave, and

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01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: host of his own show, The C. L. Bryant Show.

1501
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: And uh. He is an amazing man, an amazing Christian.

1502
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: He is one of the people when I talked earlier

1503
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: about UH, I don't like to recognize skin color. C

1504
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: L is one of the people that transcends any type

1505
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: of judgment that anybody would ever have on skin color. UH,

1506
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: and defies the odds of of what the Democrats and

1507
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: the liberals in this country want to tell you that

1508
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: somebody who has dark skin should be And he is

1509
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: somebody that has gone out and created his own road

1510
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: based on the morals, ethics, work, work, ethic, and that

1511
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: the human being that was created by his parents the

1512
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: man that he is. And I figured, Okay, that's great,

1513
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: let's bring c L on. But then I thought, you know,

1514
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: I'm on. When I'm on c. L. Show, I'm speaking

1515
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: to his producer, Michelle Milan. What a name that is

1516
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: to Michelle Milan, And I thought, who better to bring

1517
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: on with c L. Then the woman that's in charge

1518
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: of cl on a daily basis and his show, and

1519
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: a woman who I've talked to over a period of

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01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: time who is a profound Christian, an incredible mom, and

1521
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: a successful woman, and I thought we need to have

1522
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: her on here as well. And I don't know if

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01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: you all have ever been on before, but Michelle and

1524
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: c L thank you all for being on together, and

1525
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: um as of right now for this next few minutes,

1526
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: it's the uh Sean Hannity, c L and Michelle Show.

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01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Jonathan, I am so glad that you

1528
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: have got given my Michelle, my producer, a chance to

1529
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: be on with me. You know, I pay her in

1530
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: corn chips, and so it's very good that she is

1531
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: on with me as a Christmas present to her. Man.

1532
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: The topic that you're talking about is absolutely spot on.

1533
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: America is the greatest nation on the face of the planet,

1534
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: the greatest success story the world has ever known, and

1535
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:28,959
Speaker 1: that is because of our Judeo Christian principles and ethics

1536
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: that we offer to everyone who is a citizen of

1537
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 1: this country and everyone who will become a legal citizen

1538
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: of this country. And at this point in time in

1539
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: our countries. Uh, this time of the year, we can't

1540
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 1: forget the reason for this season. It's called Christmas. That

1541
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: means a celebration of the Christ. Literally, you celebrate Christ.

1542
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: He's the reason for the season and it is an

1543
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: exceptional nation. Glad that you have us both on I

1544
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: guess I'll throw it to MI show. Yeah, so I

1545
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: guess I won't get my corn chips for December. And

1546
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: I will say nobody controls C. L. Bryant. Okay, Jonathan,

1547
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: no one. Um. You know, Jonathan, you and I have

1548
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: talked a great deal over the few past few years

1549
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: about our faith. And you know, people assume when you say, well, she's,

1550
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, a Christian, that I'm all about being uber

1551
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: religious and judging people if they don't go to church

1552
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: or this or that. You know, Jonathan, at this time

1553
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: of year, when every person, even an atheists, says this

1554
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: is the most beautiful time of the year. As a believer,

1555
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm grateful. I don't need them to say, well, Jesus

1556
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,560
Speaker 1: is a son of God because it's being revealed to

1557
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: them through the way we as Christians behave during this

1558
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: time and as a busy mom and wife and trying

1559
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: to juggle job in Christmas shopping the conviction I feel

1560
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: about being kind when I'm running late and I'm buy

1561
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: all these gifts and you know, and then the clerk

1562
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: is really slow, and I feel conviction about is Christmas

1563
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: about these presents or my godly attitude? You know? I

1564
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with my good friend Jackie Klein,

1565
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: and for those of you that don't, I've talked about

1566
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: it before, Jackie Klein nutrition dot com. She actually, uh,

1567
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: I did something with some NFL players a couple of

1568
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: years ago, and uh that she she put us all

1569
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: through this um nutrition thing where we were doing a

1570
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: cleansing and um, she's a mom as well. And I

1571
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: can't help but reflect on what you just said there

1572
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: about how people are in the and the pressures at

1573
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: mom's face during Christmas. Here's the question I have for you, though,

1574
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and I was talking to Jackie about this, What do

1575
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: you think about the other three sixty four days out

1576
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: of the year. How do you think that Americans and

1577
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: moms and children can grasp this special feeling that we

1578
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 1: have over this period of time and be come that

1579
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: not just experience it once a year, but actually become

1580
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: that well you know, Jonathan, And of course Michelle's the

1581
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: mom here. My wife is out probably spending money, and

1582
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: that's great as far n But this is the thing

1583
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I believe that this president, when we talk about the

1584
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity we have now in America to reclaim our

1585
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: core values, I believe that there is no better opportunity

1586
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: than we have under this particular president. Even in Washington,

1587
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: d C. At the White House. You go to the Walmart,

1588
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: and Jonathan, both you and I admit that we like

1589
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: to go to Walmart. Uh, both of us conceived the

1590
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: door readers. The door rereaders are welcoming people with Merry

1591
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Christmas and saying goodbye the same way. What do you say, Michelle, Well,

1592
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't go to Walmart. I'm just kidding, But I

1593
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: think it has lots to do it. Whatever your last guest,

1594
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: she talked about it. You know about the civility. I

1595
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: think there are attitudes that we need to keep all

1596
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: the time. And I'm glad you brought up politics, c

1597
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: L because the premise of your show that is going

1598
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: to be on the air for four years coming up

1599
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: on your anniversary, was about having a conversation. There's such

1600
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: polarization in this country, and I'm looking at twenty eighteen

1601
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: and making this a topic with all of my conservative

1602
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: liberal friends to put down the walls and start to

1603
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: find common ground. We do not have to agree on everything.

1604
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I have so many friends that are so different from

1605
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: me that I love, and I don't want my politics

1606
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: or my religion to make them feel alienated. And as

1607
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: a Christian, that's what this is all about. If you

1608
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 1: read the Christmas story, it's about God bringing himself to

1609
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: humanity in a manger that was worse than Walmart and

1610
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: and saying it's cool, It's gonna be all right. So

1611
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: I guess Jonathan, are atted it as Christians every day?

1612
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Isn't that we don't drink and smoke? But are we

1613
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: giving peace and kindness to the world that we touch? Yeah,

1614
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: now listen that that is. See what I've been trying

1615
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: to go back and forth about all day today is

1616
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: that Christmas is as c l said, Uh, you can't

1617
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: have Christmas without the Christ and um that exceptionalism of

1618
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 1: that tiny baby that was in a manger in the

1619
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: story that we we played the little snippet from uh,

1620
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: that Charlie Brown Christmas story a little while ago. It

1621
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: really boils down to Um two thousand years ago, to

1622
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: the characteristics of this uh young baby that grew into

1623
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: a man and has set the ultimate standard for how

1624
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: we should be. And I tell you people may feel

1625
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: differently about this, but this country is a direct reflection

1626
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: we are. We are walking in the direct footsteps of

1627
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,440
Speaker 1: his behavior. This many two thousand years later, you're absolutely

1628
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: and said, and you know when you have when you

1629
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: put it the way that you put it, the preacher

1630
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: in me rises up. And I remember the words of

1631
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: John the Baptist when he saw Christ coming to be baptized,

1632
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and he said to the crowd, behold the Lamb of

1633
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: the world, who comes to take away our sins. And

1634
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about that manger that he was born in,

1635
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: there was a prophetic message that God sends to the world.

1636
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: Where else would a lamb be born except in a stable,

1637
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: in a manger like our Lord was born. And I

1638
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: think and I pray that we as Christians are able

1639
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: to tell our story, and I certainly hope that we

1640
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: as Americans are able to tell our stories through the

1641
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: prism of the Judeo Christian ethic. It is what's made

1642
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: us great, and it's what will make us great again.

1643
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: It's what's keeping us great. Michelle, let me ask you

1644
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: one thing before we go here. We gotta out about

1645
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: two minutes. UM, what would you say to the American

1646
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: people that are out there? UM, you know you live

1647
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: in a rural area in the country. What would you

1648
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: say to the people that are in the big cities,

1649
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: the people that uh, you know, got upset because of

1650
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the uh, the way the election happened, in the way

1651
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: that the uh, the president was elected. They say it

1652
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: was the majority vote uh that actually won. But the

1653
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: differences in the in the major metropolitan areas, these are

1654
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: where vast majorities of people live and they're dependent on

1655
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,839
Speaker 1: the cities, where they're not as much in the rural areas.

1656
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: What would you say to those people to help them

1657
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: recognize the exceptionalism of the people that live in these

1658
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: rural areas well. I think it's something that we do

1659
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: as citizens ourselves. You know, a lot of people put

1660
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: pressure on the media and on the president, but I

1661
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: think it's people. I think it's the people in the

1662
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: big cities that need to see other people like me

1663
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: and here my story and you talk about Christianity three, Well,

1664
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is about kindness, about openness,

1665
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: and I really think your previous guest about having honest

1666
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: discussion about things. You know, if the mainstream media is

1667
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: putting out a false narrative continuously, we have to combat

1668
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: falseness with the truth. And that's done on an individual,

1669
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: one on one basis. I hope they listen, you know,

1670
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Monday to Friday to the cl Briant Show on Red

1671
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: State Talk Radio dot com and that's noon to two.

1672
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: You get to hear the truth there. But really, Jonathan,

1673
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: we need to talk with our neighbors and friends, and

1674
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: we need to use as this opportunity to talk with

1675
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: people not get angry if they don't agree with us.

1676
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: And that's what to me makes America great, not one

1677
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: idea that we all have, but the ability to have

1678
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 1: many ideas. See, i'll give you the last word to

1679
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: go about thirty seconds. I'm all in with that. Yes,

1680
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: let's build that bridge to conversation and folks. Every day,

1681
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,839
Speaker 1: I wanna thank my good friend Jonathan Gilliam. I always

1682
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: say he's a brother from another mother mother, And I'm

1683
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: not saying that's because he's white and I happen to

1684
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 1: be black. Uh as far as concerned. I want to

1685
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: wish you Sean, Lauren and and our very good friend

1686
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: Linda for having Michelle and I on. Michelle, Merry Christmas.

1687
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: This is your Christmas present. Don't expect anything and and

1688
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: keep um you all there in America. Listen to a

1689
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Sea al Briant show well noon Eastern's to two o'clock

1690
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: on Red State Talk Radio. Thank you so much, you

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Speaker 1: gotta God bless you both. I love you and thank

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Speaker 1: you for all that you've done. You are making America

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Speaker 1: greater and greater every day. God bless you. This is Jona,

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Speaker 1: thank yell and filling in for Sean Hanny word, come back.

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Speaker 1: I got some closing thoughts for you. Stand by. You

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. This is John and filling in

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Speaker 1: for Sean Hannity. Is that close out the show? And

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Speaker 1: that was the drunken Christmas song that Lauren picked out?

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Speaker 1: Thanks number two. So anyway, it's just some music right here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good for late at night when you're all alone

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Speaker 1: and you're drunk and it's a Christmas play, like five

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Speaker 1: seconds of that real quick hello. I was saying, this

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Speaker 1: is the picture. You're in a trailer. I grew up

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Speaker 1: the trailer. I know you're drinking, pathably ripping, and that's

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Speaker 1: the song playing, and then you drift asleep. Okay, so listen.

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Speaker 1: I got just a few minutes here, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to say to everybody that, um, I love this country,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm so thankful for the family that I

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Speaker 1: grew up in, for my mom, who I love more

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Speaker 1: than than life itself. Uh, for the American citizenry that uh,

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Speaker 1: I think can be exceptional all year round. But I

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Speaker 1: want you to focus on this as I go away.

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Speaker 1: In order to be exceptional, you have to have morals

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Speaker 1: and ethics. You have to care about each other, not

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Speaker 1: just yourself. You have to be in service not just

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Speaker 1: to your country, but to each other. And you have

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Speaker 1: to unify if you want to make this country great again.

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Speaker 1: We cannot allow this thing that we feel over this

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Speaker 1: period of Christmas to drift away and be forgotten. January second.

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Speaker 1: You have to keep this going all year round. And

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Speaker 1: they were I don't even know how many years ago,

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Speaker 1: as it was now in three when my father died.

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Speaker 1: When I was with him on Christmas Day, I learned

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Speaker 1: so much about what the Lord thinks about us and

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Speaker 1: the reality of what Christmas is about. I'm thankful that

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Speaker 1: I had my dogs in my life for the past

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Speaker 1: eighteen years. I'm thankful for the opportunities that I've had

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Speaker 1: to grow my career. And I'm thankful that the God

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Speaker 1: of all the universe sacrificed his son so that we

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Speaker 1: may all meet again in heaven and toast to freedom

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Speaker 1: with the founding fathers that created this country. So I

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Speaker 1: I invite all one and all to come and join me.

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Speaker 1: This is Sean Hannity Radio Show. I'll see you next time.