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Speaker 1: This is this week's mini pod, which I want to
Speaker 1: go ahead and kick over to my good co host
Speaker 1: and Fran Tiffany to I think pick up from some
Speaker 1: of the themes that we began at invest Fest. And
Speaker 1: there was one particular topic Tiffany, if you recalled it,
Speaker 1: you opened up that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just first say thank you again to
Speaker 2: Troy and Rashid, who hosts invest Fest. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: guys may already follow them on social media. They had
Speaker 2: an amazing gathering with tens of thousands of people who
Speaker 2: came with financial literacy inquiry and it was a great
Speaker 2: networking opportunity and they were polite enough to extend us
Speaker 2: the stage and we were joined by amazing guests. So
Speaker 2: if you haven't checked out that episode, please be sure
Speaker 2: you can find that episode on all Native Land properties.
Speaker 2: During this conversation, we you know, were posing each other
Speaker 2: questions and Angela pulled the audience a few times, and
Speaker 2: I was sitting there or watching tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: people in the audience, and I started thinking, like, gosh,
Speaker 2: we're all sitting here trying to build wealth while democracy
Speaker 2: is falling around us, and we have this audience before us.
Speaker 2: How can we meet the moment to address some of
Speaker 2: these other things That's got me on this whole philosophical kick.
Speaker 2: So I asked my fellow co host, the panelists, and
Speaker 2: the audience, just the plan a seed of thought that
Speaker 2: can black people thrive and survive in the very system
Speaker 2: of capitalism, which in America was born out of the plantation.
Speaker 2: So it was, you know, it was a lot of
Speaker 2: like cheers and yeah, but when I asked that question,
Speaker 2: it was a little quiet.
Speaker 3: It was a little quiet.
Speaker 2: We're talking about entrepreneurship, and you touched on this so beautifully,
Speaker 2: Reverend Bryant, when you talked about chase your purpose and
Speaker 2: not your profit.
Speaker 3: And I'm just.
Speaker 2: Sitting here wondering because so many people in entrepreneurship, a
Speaker 2: lot of people want to become Their goal is to
Speaker 2: you know, make millions, And I just wonder, the system
Speaker 2: of capitalism originated on the plantation, and if we are
Speaker 2: trying to build empires and not community. Does this system
Speaker 2: of capitalism serve us? We may not be able to
Speaker 2: answer that on the panel, but I just want to
Speaker 2: throw that out to the audience to think about it
Speaker 2: as we're building businesses and hopefully building community, And if
Speaker 2: y'all had thoughts.
Speaker 3: On it, I would love to hear it.
Speaker 2: But I'm happy I posed it because it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: meant to be addressed then, but I wanted to at
Speaker 2: least plant that seed of thought because even that seems
Speaker 2: like their way of doing things. If we are, if
Speaker 2: we become individuals just trying to build our own empires,
Speaker 2: trying to build wealth, it seems like that adopts the
Speaker 2: whitest right way. Before we came to America, there were
Speaker 2: systems that there was no capitalism, you know, like we
Speaker 2: just didn't function that way.
Speaker 1: Are you talking bothering? Because because I think that's part
Speaker 1: of what I'd like to invite from you now that
Speaker 1: we've got a little bit of time on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is how you may I don't want you to describe
Speaker 1: the perfect system, but if you have that, you would
Speaker 1: describe that you would want to be in a system
Speaker 1: of the economy or replacing the current form of economy
Speaker 1: we have, Like, what are the elements? What are some
Speaker 1: of the elements you might want to be included there?
Speaker 1: Or what you might want to make sure we avoid.
Speaker 2: Yes, so to me, if our it poses the question,
Speaker 2: if our basic needs are met, what do we get
Speaker 2: to create?
Speaker 3: Who do we get to be? How do we get
Speaker 3: to function?
Speaker 2: So there are political systems and there are economic systems,
Speaker 2: and some would argue in capitalism, I think Ibram Kendy said,
Speaker 2: I think racism and capitalism are twin components. Forgive me,
Speaker 2: Ebrahm if I'm misquoting you, so for me, And I've
Speaker 2: also read a few books about this. One I've referenced
Speaker 2: here is the work of fiction called Sky Full of Elephants.
Speaker 2: For me, I wonder like, if I'm just living in
Speaker 2: my space, growing in my garden and it's I can
Speaker 2: I can give to you? I have home, I have food,
Speaker 2: I have shelter. And if I'm growing greens and carrots
Speaker 2: and potatoes in my garden and you're growing turnips and
Speaker 2: strawberries and peaches in your garden, can we function that
Speaker 2: way in this black city? That the guest in our
Speaker 2: main episode this week post in this black city.
Speaker 3: Is it possible, you know? And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's worth having an action ual economists maybe
Speaker 2: address some of this, because I don't know what that
Speaker 2: looks like, but I at least want us to think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: I wonder too, if we should be.
Speaker 5: Presuming that everybody wants the same things. Like part of
Speaker 5: what I heard you saying Tiff earlier was, you know,
Speaker 5: there's this idea that the convening that earn your leisure
Speaker 5: is the entity that puts on investmentst Is there something
Speaker 5: tone deaf about that right now? And there are people
Speaker 5: who are participating in those convenings, in those conferences, wanting
Speaker 5: to be a part of, you know, an investment group
Speaker 5: because they have always felt the way that some of
Speaker 5: us are feeling right now. Right They've always felt under attack,
Speaker 5: They've always felt like they don't have enough, they always
Speaker 5: feel like they're having to choose one basic necessity from another.
Speaker 5: And the thing that I'm kind of fascinated by in
Speaker 5: this conversation is like, yeah, I'm like I want to
Speaker 5: set up mutual aid networks and bartering systems and all
Speaker 5: these things. But there are a lot of people who
Speaker 5: are like, nah, I've been kind of doing some element
Speaker 5: of that, you know, Rob Peter to pay Paul, even
Speaker 5: though I would not put that stank spent on bartering.
Speaker 4: But just go at me for a second.
Speaker 5: So the mentality is now shifted to what do I
Speaker 5: need to do to secure the bag. We hear that
Speaker 5: language a lot or back at the back in our day,
Speaker 5: it was you know, get that money made right, like
Speaker 5: all of these things where or get your hustle on
Speaker 5: or whatever. There is some right, there's a thing where
Speaker 5: there is something we're aspiring to. And I don't think
Speaker 5: that aspiration is rooted in basic needs. It isn't being
Speaker 5: you know, a real estate mogul where you have a
Speaker 5: ton of rental properties. It's being able to get that
Speaker 5: yacht and you set it off with your friends with
Speaker 5: the with asus spades. It's being able to get you know,
Speaker 5: a may back and you know cha Chase Rick Ross
Speaker 5: who found his dumb ass in the target the other day.
Speaker 4: By the way, but I did I digress.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, there are all of these things, and
Speaker 5: I believe it's probably paid for it, like Hai Sanata,
Speaker 5: We'll do that another time. I think my point is
Speaker 5: that from our rap lyrics to.
Speaker 4: You know, some of the people who we.
Speaker 5: Aspire for the fact that they're Yes, the small number
Speaker 5: of black billionaires that exist, there is a deep desire
Speaker 5: to increase that number. And so if that is the case,
Speaker 5: bartering is not what they're striving for. You are rightly
Speaker 5: talking about survival in this moment. But if I'm honest,
Speaker 5: that doesn't get me closer to you know, taking my
Speaker 5: parents to Africa for.
Speaker 4: A month, you know, Like I've been bawling on a budget.
Speaker 4: I would like to be off the budget, please.
Speaker 5: Any So, I don't know if that in and of
Speaker 5: itself is capitalism or if it's capitalism influence, But I
Speaker 5: just wonder if there is safe if there's space for
Speaker 5: two of those ideas to safely coexist. And I don't know,
Speaker 5: but I think that's that's what I'm wrestling with, Like,
Speaker 5: do we say that, you know, okay, we're a capitalist
Speaker 5: because we're a capitalist society. In order for us to
Speaker 5: ball not on a budget, we too have to be capitalist?
Speaker 5: Or is there a way for us to still have
Speaker 5: abundance in a system that's.
Speaker 4: Rooted in bartering and all that. Anyway, I'm in so well.
Speaker 2: We have abundance. Can everybody have abundance? And I don't
Speaker 2: I write that that's I don't know. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to sit here and perpetrate either. I to desire
Speaker 2: wealth like I work towards it. People you know, constantly
Speaker 2: call out my hypocrisy because I mean, look, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to fly coach unless it's like
Speaker 2: some sort of thing. I know that sounds horrible, but
Speaker 2: I literally will forget because they're like, oh, your luggage
Speaker 2: is over. I'm like, no, it's not. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forget, Like if you're you know, you have a
Speaker 2: different luggage it is listen. I'm just being honest. It
Speaker 2: is a lifestyle that I aim for that and then
Speaker 2: when it shakes, you're like, oh, I am married to
Speaker 2: this system of capitalism. I was an argument with somebody
Speaker 2: and he's very successful, and I was arguing with him
Speaker 2: basically saying like, okay, but your success doesn't define you.
Speaker 2: You could be some little African American history professor somewhere
Speaker 2: and that's like a dupe thing.
Speaker 3: And he was like, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2: You said some little African American history like there is
Speaker 2: a ranking, and grant car is one of my favorite people.
Speaker 2: Like all, I put these people in the highest respect.
Speaker 2: But to be told to have my words reflected back
Speaker 2: to me that way, I did actually wonder like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have some of this embedded in who I am,
Speaker 2: and that's not okay?
Speaker 3: How do I unlearn those things?
Speaker 2: The hierarchy part. I didn't like hearing that repeated back
Speaker 2: to me. I was like, oh, that is true, like
Speaker 2: when I say some little you know.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that. But why do you have to
Speaker 1: put a judgment, like a judgment value on whether or
Speaker 1: not you desire nice things and to fly?
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: No, get I get the hypocrisy. I'm just saying why
Speaker 1: from a value set? To me? All right, I guess
Speaker 1: I am. I'm absolutely in in the capitalist system as
Speaker 1: we are. If you live here in America, unless you're
Speaker 1: off the grid and you do your own thing, I
Speaker 1: would be. I'm more concerned with where you You sort
Speaker 1: of hinted that, which is, what about the basic of
Speaker 1: needs being established across? What?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: What? Why can't our system of capitalism establish a universal
Speaker 1: floor by which from that floor you can go on
Speaker 1: to achieve all the things in the world that you
Speaker 1: may want to. But at a very basic level, you're
Speaker 1: going to have a house, You're.
Speaker 4: Gonna guarantee income or something like you.
Speaker 1: At a basic level, you're gonna have access to health
Speaker 1: care that doesn't break the bank and break you for
Speaker 1: going in you know, to see about a communicable disease
Speaker 1: that you can transfer to other people, or a cold
Speaker 1: or a cough again that you can transfer to other people.
Speaker 1: That could equal much more. But we have impact on
Speaker 1: them than you. But so I just I wish our
Speaker 1: system of capitalism made more room and put more emphasis
Speaker 1: on a floor that way, I'm not trying to cap
Speaker 1: your future. I'm not trying to put a cap on
Speaker 1: all the wonderful, amazing things you can earn and buy
Speaker 1: and create, which is what a lot of people fear
Speaker 1: when we have universal systems of anything, is that all
Speaker 1: you want to do is cap my income or cap
Speaker 1: my potential, cap my innovation, take it away if you regulate,
Speaker 1: or so on and so forth. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to attack that part, even though I do believe that
Speaker 1: that part ought to be taxed appropriately, that they ought
Speaker 1: to make the contributions back to society as much as
Speaker 1: their secretaries do, which doesn't exist in today's capitalist society
Speaker 1: and most forms. I believe the Donald Trump's of the world,
Speaker 1: and okay, maybe you're not him, but the most successful
Speaker 1: capitalists in this country largely believe that they shouldn't pay
Speaker 1: taxes because their contributions to the country is the fact
Speaker 1: that they create jobs for people here. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: heard wealthy people say that my contribution is is that
Speaker 1: I give other people a place to work. That's all fine.
Speaker 1: What I'm concerned about is your financial contribution back for
Speaker 1: all that you have taken from the country. Amazon. You
Speaker 1: may be Amazon and you're the wealthiest guy and this
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but you're you're relying on the roads
Speaker 1: that we pay for in our taxes to move across
Speaker 1: to get your goods and services to people. You're not
Speaker 1: paying for that. But I am so. I just I
Speaker 1: think that we deserve a conversation about what would a
Speaker 1: universal floor, a point by which everybody ought to start from.
Speaker 1: For black folks, at one point, it was the guarantee
Speaker 1: of forty acres and a mule for our service or
Speaker 1: for our renders service extracted from us, with no payment
Speaker 1: system in place whatsoever. It's still none. So if I
Speaker 1: had it my way, it would be it would be
Speaker 1: a Roosevelt era Second New Deal of what people can
Speaker 1: expect at a base level in this economy to have
Speaker 1: to meet their basic needs, and anything above that basic
Speaker 1: need then you can work in Claw four.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can get with that. What do you call that? System?
Speaker 1: With democracy? But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Also overreliance on government, and I think this.
Speaker 1: Is the one no no, no, not an overreliance on government.
Speaker 5: That's if it's no, well, well I think it's mine.
Speaker 4: So this is my argument right now.
Speaker 5: Now, if Andrew was the president, i'd be with it,
Speaker 5: because I know it's about to happen, right and I
Speaker 5: think the reality is, not only do we are we
Speaker 5: not getting a New Deal twenty twenty five, we got
Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five. And as a result of getting
Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five, some of the basic things that
Speaker 5: we have relied upon for decades are now also not
Speaker 5: just at risk, but literally on the chopping block. And
Speaker 5: it any moment, folks will start to fill the real
Speaker 5: economic hardships from those things being pulled back. So one
Speaker 5: of the things that that I reference a lot is
Speaker 5: this comment from Congressman Rango Make God Rest his soul,
Speaker 5: who was one of the founders of the Congressional Black Caucus.
Speaker 5: When he was retiring, he said that he often wonders
Speaker 5: if we spend too much time focusing on social policy
Speaker 5: and not enough on economic policy. And I think his
Speaker 5: perspective on that was many of the things that we
Speaker 5: seek to change socially we could address if we had
Speaker 5: our own resource. But what we've done is we've set
Speaker 5: up a system where because we deserve it. Right, we're
Speaker 5: not saying we don't deserve it the government doesn't owe us,
Speaker 5: but because we deserve it, because the government owes us,
Speaker 5: we are going to hold them to account, to give
Speaker 5: them what they to give us what they owe. That's great,
Speaker 5: But at the same time, we were not building a
Speaker 5: simultaneous system for things that we should also receive. In
Speaker 5: all of the attempts that we've had historically, from the
Speaker 5: Freedman's Bank to Garrison Fraser and the special Order Special
Speaker 5: Order Number fifteen to now, you know, to every demand
Speaker 5: we've had, it is somehow still related back to what
Speaker 5: the government must do. I think that the place where
Speaker 5: we've missed is what we must also do just in
Speaker 5: case the government does what the government does and does
Speaker 5: not do what there or give.
Speaker 4: Us what they owe us.
Speaker 1: Can I attract the mythology of the sure because I
Speaker 1: think it's just built on a myth. I think it
Speaker 1: is mythology. I want to hear it because whether you're black, white,
Speaker 1: or other, when those folks have gone gotten into places
Speaker 1: of wealth, those individuals have not necessarily taken those resources
Speaker 1: and put them back into building stronger society. They've largely
Speaker 1: concentrated them on themselves, in many cases, saving their own
Speaker 1: money and taking the government's money and using that money
Speaker 1: as it's leverage to build even more wealth. And if
Speaker 1: not the government's money directly the services provided by the government.
Speaker 1: I gave the example of Amazon driving on our road.
Speaker 1: But you know, to take it further, the people who
Speaker 1: are in favor of abolishing the post office right and
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, it is highly inefficient. This is that.
Speaker 1: And the third No, the post office and the government
Speaker 1: as its owner, and we as a taxpayers rather as
Speaker 1: this owner, have made a guarantee that no matter where
Speaker 1: you live at the edges of this earth on in
Speaker 1: the United States, you will get mail. Universally. Everybody if
Speaker 1: you put a post a stamp and you live within
Speaker 1: our you will get mail. Well, guess what. Amazon does
Speaker 1: not guarantee that anywhere you live, and in fact, where
Speaker 1: they do guarantee it, it is relying on the government
Speaker 1: and it's and it's suppostal service to get it the
Speaker 1: last mile to the client who asked for So. Even
Speaker 1: the private sector, which is you know, supposed to be
Speaker 1: so independent and pull yourself up by the boo strips
Speaker 1: and we did this by ourselves, are relying on us,
Speaker 1: the tax paying people who fund the government, to actually
Speaker 1: make their business model work out. Most of the drug
Speaker 1: companies in this country, they're not spending the billions, if
Speaker 1: not trillions, and research required to take a theory about
Speaker 1: a drug that can solve a problem to market. They're
Speaker 1: relying on the government. It's research partner institutions, academic institutions
Speaker 1: both public and private, to do that work, and then
Speaker 1: they come in to monetize it and sell it back
Speaker 1: to us for you know, millions on the cost you know,
Speaker 1: to create it. And so even those institutions that we
Speaker 1: look at as being so successful didn't get there by themselves.
Speaker 1: In fact, their success would not be possible but for
Speaker 1: their reliance on the government's skirt. All I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: if the billionaires can rely on the government to have
Speaker 1: their wealth, then why can't everyday, average working people rely
Speaker 1: on the government for its own basic services. The government
Speaker 1: by which it funds, not that the billionaires fund, but
Speaker 1: that we, the working people of this country fund. Why
Speaker 1: can Andinavian countries that are all basically monolithic, because they're
Speaker 1: largely just, they're largely white. Why can Scandinavian countries provide
Speaker 1: these basic levels of services that are not considered, you know,
Speaker 1: a sucking on the government teat it is considered what
Speaker 1: is humane and what is That's what they're described as basic.
Speaker 1: That everybody needs food, everybody needs shelter, safety and security,
Speaker 1: and we're going to provide those things that are most
Speaker 1: basic in humanity. And then everything above that you go
Speaker 1: out and you earn for yourselves. Because the truth is
Speaker 1: is that for those of us who think we're going
Speaker 1: out and earn it for ourselves, who are working, breaking
Speaker 1: their backs to work, the system of capitalism as we
Speaker 1: understand it and know it and experience it. Hearing this
Speaker 1: country still doesn't pay me a wage that I can
Speaker 1: take care of myself and my family.
Speaker 2: It's a big part of the trauma for me because
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I completely agree, and I'm
Speaker 2: still caught up in my own hypocrisy around it. I
Speaker 2: think it's so embedded in us, you know, that we'd
Speaker 2: have to spend so much time on learning it. Growing
Speaker 2: up without is a traumatic experience, you know, Like I
Speaker 2: still every single day, I do little stupid things that
Speaker 2: why don't want I'm trying to speak kinder to myself.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's stupid, but things that
Speaker 2: I have learned to do. So like when I go
Speaker 2: to get a paper towel, you know, maybe I need
Speaker 2: to wipe the counter down, I'm grabbing a paper towel.
Speaker 3: I will not pull a whole paper towel.
Speaker 2: I'm pulling a little piece of that paper, like as
Speaker 2: much as I think I need, because I'm trying to
Speaker 2: preserve if I have toothpaste, you know, like I'm.
Speaker 3: Taking it to the white meat, you know, like all.
Speaker 2: Right, And I can afford, Praise God, I can afford
Speaker 2: to go out and buy a new toothpast. I can
Speaker 2: afford to go buy new paper towels, whatever, But my
Speaker 2: mind is such that I remember, it's a scarcity mindset
Speaker 2: that whatever I have today I might not have tomorrow,
Speaker 2: so let me preserved. I'm like that with lotion, just everything,
Speaker 2: and so it is a constant and so that is
Speaker 2: a part of my desire for wealth. I'm always afraid
Speaker 2: that I'm going to go back. So even you know,
Speaker 2: on a flight, it's like, okay, maybe a code seat
Speaker 2: is the best way to take a two hour.
Speaker 3: Flight, you know, like just grab it.
Speaker 2: But in my mind it's like, once you accept that,
Speaker 2: then that is like you have taken a step back,
Speaker 2: you have shifted timelines, and now you're going back this way.
Speaker 2: And there is trauma around that. There's trauma around of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not having enough for sure, and in this time and
Speaker 2: a time such as this, clinging so desperately to what
Speaker 2: we have because we don't know what's coming tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's real. And you're not doing stupid things. You're doing
Speaker 1: things that life has taught you. Yeah, your experience has
Speaker 1: taught you. And by the way, some of that stuff
Speaker 1: shouldn't be thrown off simply because we can afford more expensive.
Speaker 5: So it's getting a new Earth is new expensive as well.
Speaker 1: And good luck if you're trying.
Speaker 4: To reusable paper towels now that I refuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. I can't wait to see you
Speaker 1: try that. I do think we have to unlearn a
Speaker 1: lot about what we are, what we have taught ourselves
Speaker 1: in what society has taught us, because we keep you know,
Speaker 1: we even talking point, you know, we regurgitate things that
Speaker 1: the culture has you know, of that time has sort
Speaker 1: of adopted and haven't even interrogated the truthfulness of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, people how to go out and get a
Speaker 1: job and earn for themselves. Well, yeah, guess what, I
Speaker 1: know people who are working multiples of those and still
Speaker 1: aren't earning it. So who's who's who's that fault for this?
Speaker 1: The people who are breaking their necks and spending their
Speaker 1: minimum eight hours likely ten to twelve working, or the
Speaker 1: people who are failing to pay them what they are worth,
Speaker 1: who are failing to pay them what they deserve. And
Speaker 1: so I just think systems of of uh, the financial
Speaker 1: systems like the one that we have where you can
Speaker 1: earn as much as you want to and that and
Speaker 1: I've got thoughts on whether or not that I'll have
Speaker 1: some whatever, But but largely the people who got earn
Speaker 1: your innovation and your your hard work is rewarded. But
Speaker 1: your innovation and hard work is not aure to you
Speaker 1: because you have become a billionaire necessarily, because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of cheats who are right now at the
Speaker 1: top of society economic realms of society who didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: earn it. Okay, but but but and there are a
Speaker 1: lot of folks who are breakneck who do earn it
Speaker 1: and still aren't being rewarded for what they what they
Speaker 1: really do earn by way of their contributions. But but that,
Speaker 1: but but that, what we focus on is at the
Speaker 1: very minimum, if as human beings who are in this
Speaker 1: shared experience, what could we provide as part of a
Speaker 1: society that would just meet people's basic human needs? And
Speaker 1: if we started there, man, I think the sky has
Speaker 1: the limits for where they could take it. You know
Speaker 1: how many inventors exist right now as working people who
Speaker 1: don't have the resource. This is where the networks to
Speaker 1: scale their idea. You create openings for for for growth.
Speaker 1: We create openings. If we can get past desperation and
Speaker 1: just trying to survive, past that, you can get to
Speaker 1: innovation and thriving for everybody can we as.
Speaker 2: Black folks This is not my idea, this is Natasha Brown,
Speaker 2: But can we as black folks trade directly with other
Speaker 2: countries legally?
Speaker 3: Because we're the innovative people.
Speaker 2: We have all these ideas, and so she was saying, like,
Speaker 2: why can't we orchestrate our own trade deals in the government?
Speaker 1: Can't we? But right now, good luck in the next week,
Speaker 1: because the government under Trump has just removed dominus deminimus
Speaker 1: minimums for mail link packages. So previously anything that was
Speaker 1: mailed from another country to one other country, thinking about
Speaker 1: packaging and sending and trading, but moreover, thinking about people
Speaker 1: who use the internet to buy a lot of their
Speaker 1: goods from other that are made in other places. And
Speaker 1: that is they used to be eight hundred dollars. Anything
Speaker 1: under eight hundred dollars in value, they didn't have to
Speaker 1: pay the tariffs on and they didn't have to pay
Speaker 1: the access and postage. For now the Trump administration has
Speaker 1: removed a minimus and next week those tariffs are going
Speaker 1: to be hitting those products and you're going to be
Speaker 1: paying mountains more than what you paid before. So yes,
Speaker 1: the government has restrictions on how you can do that,
Speaker 1: and you but part of this is what you know
Speaker 1: from when you fly on a plane in your first
Speaker 1: class and you make those declarations about what you're bringing
Speaker 1: back and what you're taking that there are there are
Speaker 1: caps on what you can do. But Trump Trump and
Speaker 1: his administration has made that burdens made it even more burdensome.
Speaker 1: And in seven or so days or whenever you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, about a week from today of our talking,
Speaker 1: that price is going to is going to go up
Speaker 1: pretty significantly for most people. Ye'ah. I know we have
Speaker 1: entered and weaned into a couple of different areas, but
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