1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Nigga Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, everybody. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: This is of course your family here over at Native Lampod. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: This is this week's mini pod, which I want to 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: go ahead and kick over to my good co host 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: and Fran Tiffany to I think pick up from some 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: of the themes that we began at invest Fest. And 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: there was one particular topic Tiffany, if you recalled it, 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: you opened up that I don't know. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: Well, let me just first say thank you again to 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Troy and Rashid, who hosts invest Fest. I'm sure you 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: guys may already follow them on social media. They had 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: an amazing gathering with tens of thousands of people who 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: came with financial literacy inquiry and it was a great 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: networking opportunity and they were polite enough to extend us 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: the stage and we were joined by amazing guests. So 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: if you haven't checked out that episode, please be sure 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: you can find that episode on all Native Land properties. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: During this conversation, we you know, were posing each other 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: questions and Angela pulled the audience a few times, and 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: I was sitting there or watching tens of thousands of 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: people in the audience, and I started thinking, like, gosh, 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: we're all sitting here trying to build wealth while democracy 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: is falling around us, and we have this audience before us. 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: How can we meet the moment to address some of 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: these other things That's got me on this whole philosophical kick. 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: So I asked my fellow co host, the panelists, and 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: the audience, just the plan a seed of thought that 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: can black people thrive and survive in the very system 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: of capitalism, which in America was born out of the plantation. 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: So it was, you know, it was a lot of 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: like cheers and yeah, but when I asked that question, 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: it was a little quiet. 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: It was a little quiet. 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: We're talking about entrepreneurship, and you touched on this so beautifully, 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: Reverend Bryant, when you talked about chase your purpose and 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: not your profit. 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: And I'm just. 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: Sitting here wondering because so many people in entrepreneurship, a 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: lot of people want to become Their goal is to 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: you know, make millions, And I just wonder, the system 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: of capitalism originated on the plantation, and if we are 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: trying to build empires and not community. Does this system 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: of capitalism serve us? We may not be able to 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: answer that on the panel, but I just want to 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: throw that out to the audience to think about it 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: as we're building businesses and hopefully building community, And if 48 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: y'all had thoughts. 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: On it, I would love to hear it. 50 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: But I'm happy I posed it because it wasn't necessarily 51 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: meant to be addressed then, but I wanted to at 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: least plant that seed of thought because even that seems 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: like their way of doing things. If we are, if 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: we become individuals just trying to build our own empires, 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: trying to build wealth, it seems like that adopts the 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: whitest right way. Before we came to America, there were 57 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: systems that there was no capitalism, you know, like we 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: just didn't function that way. 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Are you talking bothering? Because because I think that's part 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: of what I'd like to invite from you now that 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: we've got a little bit of time on it. Yeah, 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: is how you may I don't want you to describe 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: the perfect system, but if you have that, you would 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: describe that you would want to be in a system 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: of the economy or replacing the current form of economy 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: we have, Like, what are the elements? What are some 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of the elements you might want to be included there? 68 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Or what you might want to make sure we avoid. 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: Yes, so to me, if our it poses the question, 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: if our basic needs are met, what do we get 71 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: to create? 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: Who do we get to be? How do we get 73 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: to function? 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: So there are political systems and there are economic systems, 75 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: and some would argue in capitalism, I think Ibram Kendy said, 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: I think racism and capitalism are twin components. Forgive me, 77 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: Ebrahm if I'm misquoting you, so for me, And I've 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: also read a few books about this. One I've referenced 79 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: here is the work of fiction called Sky Full of Elephants. 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: For me, I wonder like, if I'm just living in 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: my space, growing in my garden and it's I can 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: I can give to you? I have home, I have food, 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: I have shelter. And if I'm growing greens and carrots 84 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: and potatoes in my garden and you're growing turnips and 85 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: strawberries and peaches in your garden, can we function that 86 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: way in this black city? That the guest in our 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: main episode this week post in this black city. 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: Is it possible, you know? And I don't know. 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: I think it's worth having an action ual economists maybe 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: address some of this, because I don't know what that 91 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: looks like, but I at least want us to think 92 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: about it. 93 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: I wonder too, if we should be. 94 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: Presuming that everybody wants the same things. Like part of 95 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 5: what I heard you saying Tiff earlier was, you know, 96 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: there's this idea that the convening that earn your leisure 97 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 5: is the entity that puts on investmentst Is there something 98 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 5: tone deaf about that right now? And there are people 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: who are participating in those convenings, in those conferences, wanting 100 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 5: to be a part of, you know, an investment group 101 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: because they have always felt the way that some of 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 5: us are feeling right now. Right They've always felt under attack, 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 5: They've always felt like they don't have enough, they always 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 5: feel like they're having to choose one basic necessity from another. 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 5: And the thing that I'm kind of fascinated by in 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 5: this conversation is like, yeah, I'm like I want to 107 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 5: set up mutual aid networks and bartering systems and all 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: these things. But there are a lot of people who 109 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 5: are like, nah, I've been kind of doing some element 110 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: of that, you know, Rob Peter to pay Paul, even 111 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 5: though I would not put that stank spent on bartering. 112 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: But just go at me for a second. 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 5: So the mentality is now shifted to what do I 114 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 5: need to do to secure the bag. We hear that 115 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 5: language a lot or back at the back in our day, 116 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 5: it was you know, get that money made right, like 117 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: all of these things where or get your hustle on 118 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 5: or whatever. There is some right, there's a thing where 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: there is something we're aspiring to. And I don't think 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: that aspiration is rooted in basic needs. It isn't being 121 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 5: you know, a real estate mogul where you have a 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: ton of rental properties. It's being able to get that 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 5: yacht and you set it off with your friends with 124 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 5: the with asus spades. It's being able to get you know, 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 5: a may back and you know cha Chase Rick Ross 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 5: who found his dumb ass in the target the other day. 127 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: By the way, but I did I digress. 128 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, there are all of these things, and 129 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 5: I believe it's probably paid for it, like Hai Sanata, 130 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 5: We'll do that another time. I think my point is 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 5: that from our rap lyrics to. 132 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: You know, some of the people who we. 133 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 5: Aspire for the fact that they're Yes, the small number 134 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: of black billionaires that exist, there is a deep desire 135 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: to increase that number. And so if that is the case, 136 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: bartering is not what they're striving for. You are rightly 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 5: talking about survival in this moment. But if I'm honest, 138 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 5: that doesn't get me closer to you know, taking my 139 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 5: parents to Africa for. 140 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: A month, you know, Like I've been bawling on a budget. 141 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: I would like to be off the budget, please. 142 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 5: Any So, I don't know if that in and of 143 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: itself is capitalism or if it's capitalism influence, But I 144 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 5: just wonder if there is safe if there's space for 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 5: two of those ideas to safely coexist. And I don't know, 146 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 5: but I think that's that's what I'm wrestling with, Like, 147 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 5: do we say that, you know, okay, we're a capitalist 148 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 5: because we're a capitalist society. In order for us to 149 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: ball not on a budget, we too have to be capitalist? 150 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: Or is there a way for us to still have 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 5: abundance in a system that's. 152 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 4: Rooted in bartering and all that. Anyway, I'm in so well. 153 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: We have abundance. Can everybody have abundance? And I don't 154 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: I write that that's I don't know. And I don't 155 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: want to sit here and perpetrate either. I to desire 156 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: wealth like I work towards it. People you know, constantly 157 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: call out my hypocrisy because I mean, look, I'll be honest. 158 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to fly coach unless it's like 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: some sort of thing. I know that sounds horrible, but 160 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: I literally will forget because they're like, oh, your luggage 161 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: is over. I'm like, no, it's not. And it's like, oh, 162 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: I forget, Like if you're you know, you have a 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: different luggage it is listen. I'm just being honest. It 164 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: is a lifestyle that I aim for that and then 165 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: when it shakes, you're like, oh, I am married to 166 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: this system of capitalism. I was an argument with somebody 167 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: and he's very successful, and I was arguing with him 168 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: basically saying like, okay, but your success doesn't define you. 169 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: You could be some little African American history professor somewhere 170 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 2: and that's like a dupe thing. 171 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: And he was like, do you hear yourself? 172 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: You said some little African American history like there is 173 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: a ranking, and grant car is one of my favorite people. 174 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Like all, I put these people in the highest respect. 175 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: But to be told to have my words reflected back 176 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: to me that way, I did actually wonder like, oh, 177 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: I have some of this embedded in who I am, 178 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: and that's not okay? 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 3: How do I unlearn those things? 180 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 2: The hierarchy part. I didn't like hearing that repeated back 181 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: to me. I was like, oh, that is true, like 182 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: when I say some little you know. 183 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: I didn't like that. But why do you have to 184 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: put a judgment, like a judgment value on whether or 185 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: not you desire nice things and to fly? 186 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 187 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: No, get I get the hypocrisy. I'm just saying why 188 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: from a value set? To me? All right, I guess 189 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: I am. I'm absolutely in in the capitalist system as 190 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: we are. If you live here in America, unless you're 191 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: off the grid and you do your own thing, I 192 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: would be. I'm more concerned with where you You sort 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: of hinted that, which is, what about the basic of 194 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: needs being established across? What? 195 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: Why? 196 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: What? Why can't our system of capitalism establish a universal 197 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: floor by which from that floor you can go on 198 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: to achieve all the things in the world that you 199 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: may want to. But at a very basic level, you're 200 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: going to have a house, You're. 201 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: Gonna guarantee income or something like you. 202 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: At a basic level, you're gonna have access to health 203 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: care that doesn't break the bank and break you for 204 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: going in you know, to see about a communicable disease 205 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: that you can transfer to other people, or a cold 206 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: or a cough again that you can transfer to other people. 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: That could equal much more. But we have impact on 208 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: them than you. But so I just I wish our 209 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: system of capitalism made more room and put more emphasis 210 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: on a floor that way, I'm not trying to cap 211 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: your future. I'm not trying to put a cap on 212 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: all the wonderful, amazing things you can earn and buy 213 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: and create, which is what a lot of people fear 214 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: when we have universal systems of anything, is that all 215 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: you want to do is cap my income or cap 216 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: my potential, cap my innovation, take it away if you regulate, 217 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: or so on and so forth. So I don't want 218 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: to attack that part, even though I do believe that 219 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: that part ought to be taxed appropriately, that they ought 220 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: to make the contributions back to society as much as 221 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: their secretaries do, which doesn't exist in today's capitalist society 222 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: and most forms. I believe the Donald Trump's of the world, 223 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: and okay, maybe you're not him, but the most successful 224 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: capitalists in this country largely believe that they shouldn't pay 225 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: taxes because their contributions to the country is the fact 226 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: that they create jobs for people here. I mean, I've 227 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: heard wealthy people say that my contribution is is that 228 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: I give other people a place to work. That's all fine. 229 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: What I'm concerned about is your financial contribution back for 230 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: all that you have taken from the country. Amazon. You 231 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: may be Amazon and you're the wealthiest guy and this 232 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but you're you're relying on the roads 233 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: that we pay for in our taxes to move across 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: to get your goods and services to people. You're not 235 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: paying for that. But I am so. I just I 236 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: think that we deserve a conversation about what would a 237 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: universal floor, a point by which everybody ought to start from. 238 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: For black folks, at one point, it was the guarantee 239 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: of forty acres and a mule for our service or 240 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: for our renders service extracted from us, with no payment 241 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: system in place whatsoever. It's still none. So if I 242 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: had it my way, it would be it would be 243 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: a Roosevelt era Second New Deal of what people can 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: expect at a base level in this economy to have 245 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: to meet their basic needs, and anything above that basic 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: need then you can work in Claw four. 247 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: Okay, I can get with that. What do you call that? System? 248 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: With democracy? But I don't know. 249 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: Also overreliance on government, and I think this. 250 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: Is the one no no, no, not an overreliance on government. 251 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 5: That's if it's no, well, well I think it's mine. 252 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: So this is my argument right now. 253 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: Now, if Andrew was the president, i'd be with it, 254 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: because I know it's about to happen, right and I 255 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 5: think the reality is, not only do we are we 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: not getting a New Deal twenty twenty five, we got 257 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five. And as a result of getting 258 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five, some of the basic things that 259 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 5: we have relied upon for decades are now also not 260 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 5: just at risk, but literally on the chopping block. And 261 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 5: it any moment, folks will start to fill the real 262 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: economic hardships from those things being pulled back. So one 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 5: of the things that that I reference a lot is 264 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: this comment from Congressman Rango Make God Rest his soul, 265 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 5: who was one of the founders of the Congressional Black Caucus. 266 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 5: When he was retiring, he said that he often wonders 267 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 5: if we spend too much time focusing on social policy 268 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 5: and not enough on economic policy. And I think his 269 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 5: perspective on that was many of the things that we 270 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: seek to change socially we could address if we had 271 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: our own resource. But what we've done is we've set 272 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: up a system where because we deserve it. Right, we're 273 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: not saying we don't deserve it the government doesn't owe us, 274 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: but because we deserve it, because the government owes us, 275 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 5: we are going to hold them to account, to give 276 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 5: them what they to give us what they owe. That's great, 277 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 5: But at the same time, we were not building a 278 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 5: simultaneous system for things that we should also receive. In 279 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: all of the attempts that we've had historically, from the 280 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 5: Freedman's Bank to Garrison Fraser and the special Order Special 281 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: Order Number fifteen to now, you know, to every demand 282 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: we've had, it is somehow still related back to what 283 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 5: the government must do. I think that the place where 284 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: we've missed is what we must also do just in 285 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 5: case the government does what the government does and does 286 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 5: not do what there or give. 287 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: Us what they owe us. 288 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: Can I attract the mythology of the sure because I 289 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: think it's just built on a myth. I think it 290 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: is mythology. I want to hear it because whether you're black, white, 291 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: or other, when those folks have gone gotten into places 292 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: of wealth, those individuals have not necessarily taken those resources 293 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: and put them back into building stronger society. They've largely 294 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: concentrated them on themselves, in many cases, saving their own 295 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: money and taking the government's money and using that money 296 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: as it's leverage to build even more wealth. And if 297 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: not the government's money directly the services provided by the government. 298 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: I gave the example of Amazon driving on our road. 299 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: But you know, to take it further, the people who 300 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: are in favor of abolishing the post office right and 301 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, it is highly inefficient. This is that. 302 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: And the third No, the post office and the government 303 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: as its owner, and we as a taxpayers rather as 304 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: this owner, have made a guarantee that no matter where 305 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: you live at the edges of this earth on in 306 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: the United States, you will get mail. Universally. Everybody if 307 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: you put a post a stamp and you live within 308 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: our you will get mail. Well, guess what. Amazon does 309 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: not guarantee that anywhere you live, and in fact, where 310 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: they do guarantee it, it is relying on the government 311 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and it's and it's suppostal service to get it the 312 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: last mile to the client who asked for So. Even 313 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: the private sector, which is you know, supposed to be 314 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: so independent and pull yourself up by the boo strips 315 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: and we did this by ourselves, are relying on us, 316 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the tax paying people who fund the government, to actually 317 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: make their business model work out. Most of the drug 318 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: companies in this country, they're not spending the billions, if 319 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: not trillions, and research required to take a theory about 320 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: a drug that can solve a problem to market. They're 321 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: relying on the government. It's research partner institutions, academic institutions 322 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: both public and private, to do that work, and then 323 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: they come in to monetize it and sell it back 324 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: to us for you know, millions on the cost you know, 325 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: to create it. And so even those institutions that we 326 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: look at as being so successful didn't get there by themselves. 327 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: In fact, their success would not be possible but for 328 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: their reliance on the government's skirt. All I'm saying is, 329 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: if the billionaires can rely on the government to have 330 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: their wealth, then why can't everyday, average working people rely 331 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: on the government for its own basic services. The government 332 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: by which it funds, not that the billionaires fund, but 333 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: that we, the working people of this country fund. Why 334 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: can Andinavian countries that are all basically monolithic, because they're 335 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: largely just, they're largely white. Why can Scandinavian countries provide 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: these basic levels of services that are not considered, you know, 337 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: a sucking on the government teat it is considered what 338 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: is humane and what is That's what they're described as basic. 339 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: That everybody needs food, everybody needs shelter, safety and security, 340 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: and we're going to provide those things that are most 341 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: basic in humanity. And then everything above that you go 342 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: out and you earn for yourselves. Because the truth is 343 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: is that for those of us who think we're going 344 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: out and earn it for ourselves, who are working, breaking 345 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: their backs to work, the system of capitalism as we 346 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: understand it and know it and experience it. Hearing this 347 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: country still doesn't pay me a wage that I can 348 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: take care of myself and my family. 349 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: It's a big part of the trauma for me because 350 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I completely agree, and I'm 351 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: still caught up in my own hypocrisy around it. I 352 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: think it's so embedded in us, you know, that we'd 353 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: have to spend so much time on learning it. Growing 354 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: up without is a traumatic experience, you know, Like I 355 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: still every single day, I do little stupid things that 356 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: why don't want I'm trying to speak kinder to myself. 357 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's stupid, but things that 358 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: I have learned to do. So like when I go 359 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: to get a paper towel, you know, maybe I need 360 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: to wipe the counter down, I'm grabbing a paper towel. 361 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: I will not pull a whole paper towel. 362 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: I'm pulling a little piece of that paper, like as 363 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 2: much as I think I need, because I'm trying to 364 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: preserve if I have toothpaste, you know, like I'm. 365 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: Taking it to the white meat, you know, like all. 366 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: Right, And I can afford, Praise God, I can afford 367 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: to go out and buy a new toothpast. I can 368 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: afford to go buy new paper towels, whatever, But my 369 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: mind is such that I remember, it's a scarcity mindset 370 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: that whatever I have today I might not have tomorrow, 371 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: so let me preserved. I'm like that with lotion, just everything, 372 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: and so it is a constant and so that is 373 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: a part of my desire for wealth. I'm always afraid 374 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: that I'm going to go back. So even you know, 375 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: on a flight, it's like, okay, maybe a code seat 376 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: is the best way to take a two hour. 377 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: Flight, you know, like just grab it. 378 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: But in my mind it's like, once you accept that, 379 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: then that is like you have taken a step back, 380 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: you have shifted timelines, and now you're going back this way. 381 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: And there is trauma around that. There's trauma around of course. Yeah, 382 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: not having enough for sure, and in this time and 383 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: a time such as this, clinging so desperately to what 384 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: we have because we don't know what's coming tomorrow. 385 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: That's real. And you're not doing stupid things. You're doing 386 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: things that life has taught you. Yeah, your experience has 387 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: taught you. And by the way, some of that stuff 388 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't be thrown off simply because we can afford more expensive. 389 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: So it's getting a new Earth is new expensive as well. 390 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: And good luck if you're trying. 391 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: To reusable paper towels now that I refuse. 392 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. I can't wait to see you 393 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: try that. I do think we have to unlearn a 394 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: lot about what we are, what we have taught ourselves 395 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: in what society has taught us, because we keep you know, 396 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: we even talking point, you know, we regurgitate things that 397 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: the culture has you know, of that time has sort 398 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: of adopted and haven't even interrogated the truthfulness of it. Yeah, 399 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: you know, people how to go out and get a 400 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: job and earn for themselves. Well, yeah, guess what, I 401 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: know people who are working multiples of those and still 402 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: aren't earning it. So who's who's who's that fault for this? 403 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: The people who are breaking their necks and spending their 404 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: minimum eight hours likely ten to twelve working, or the 405 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: people who are failing to pay them what they are worth, 406 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: who are failing to pay them what they deserve. And 407 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: so I just think systems of of uh, the financial 408 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: systems like the one that we have where you can 409 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: earn as much as you want to and that and 410 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: I've got thoughts on whether or not that I'll have 411 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: some whatever, But but largely the people who got earn 412 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: your innovation and your your hard work is rewarded. But 413 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: your innovation and hard work is not aure to you 414 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: because you have become a billionaire necessarily, because there are 415 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot of cheats who are right now at the 416 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: top of society economic realms of society who didn't necessarily 417 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: earn it. Okay, but but but and there are a 418 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: lot of folks who are breakneck who do earn it 419 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: and still aren't being rewarded for what they what they 420 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: really do earn by way of their contributions. But but that, 421 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: but but that, what we focus on is at the 422 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: very minimum, if as human beings who are in this 423 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: shared experience, what could we provide as part of a 424 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: society that would just meet people's basic human needs? And 425 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: if we started there, man, I think the sky has 426 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: the limits for where they could take it. You know 427 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: how many inventors exist right now as working people who 428 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: don't have the resource. This is where the networks to 429 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: scale their idea. You create openings for for for growth. 430 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: We create openings. If we can get past desperation and 431 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: just trying to survive, past that, you can get to 432 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: innovation and thriving for everybody can we as. 433 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: Black folks This is not my idea, this is Natasha Brown, 434 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: But can we as black folks trade directly with other 435 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: countries legally? 436 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: Because we're the innovative people. 437 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: We have all these ideas, and so she was saying, like, 438 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: why can't we orchestrate our own trade deals in the government? 439 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Can't we? But right now, good luck in the next week, 440 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: because the government under Trump has just removed dominus deminimus 441 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: minimums for mail link packages. So previously anything that was 442 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: mailed from another country to one other country, thinking about 443 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: packaging and sending and trading, but moreover, thinking about people 444 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: who use the internet to buy a lot of their 445 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: goods from other that are made in other places. And 446 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: that is they used to be eight hundred dollars. Anything 447 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: under eight hundred dollars in value, they didn't have to 448 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: pay the tariffs on and they didn't have to pay 449 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: the access and postage. For now the Trump administration has 450 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: removed a minimus and next week those tariffs are going 451 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: to be hitting those products and you're going to be 452 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: paying mountains more than what you paid before. So yes, 453 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: the government has restrictions on how you can do that, 454 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: and you but part of this is what you know 455 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: from when you fly on a plane in your first 456 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: class and you make those declarations about what you're bringing 457 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: back and what you're taking that there are there are 458 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: caps on what you can do. But Trump Trump and 459 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: his administration has made that burdens made it even more burdensome. 460 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: And in seven or so days or whenever you're listening 461 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: to this, about a week from today of our talking, 462 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: that price is going to is going to go up 463 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: pretty significantly for most people. Ye'ah. I know we have 464 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: entered and weaned into a couple of different areas, but 465 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I want to thank Tiffany for this topic because I 466 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: think it is one that we really ought to continue 467 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: to interrogate and revisit. 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