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Speaker 1: the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 2: What I was telling them it was Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: I heart radio app So I'm here to settle a debate. Okay,

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Speaker 2: here to settle debate. Uh, it's a debate that's lasted

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Speaker 2: for ages. And having lived on one body of water

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Speaker 2: bigger portion of my life, I think I can settle

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Speaker 2: the debate. It's not Coker Pepsi, it's not Chevy or Ford.

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Speaker 2: It's beat your Lake, Beacherlake. And I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 2: with you. I think in terms of vibe, it's beach

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Speaker 2: and just hanging out at us. It's beach because what

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Speaker 2: you have with a beach is you have usually you know,

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Speaker 2: beachside not only restaurants, but places to stay, places you know,

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Speaker 2: places to live, you know, beach communities where you know,

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Speaker 2: in the summer it comes alive and everybody's riding their

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Speaker 2: bike or now their e bike or their scooter or whatever,

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Speaker 2: dogs walking. You know. It's just it feels the vibe

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Speaker 2: feels good. And I've been to places where last summer,

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Speaker 2: first time I ever been to Traverse City. Obviously, I

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Speaker 2: live on the Lake Lakes. Though there can be coves

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Speaker 2: that have restaurants, coves that have different sort of beachy communities.

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Speaker 2: They're not really the same vibe as a beach. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of participation on it's a lake, and it's

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Speaker 2: not even close. Right, the water is generally warmer, you

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Speaker 2: can do more things. It takes less skill to participate

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Speaker 2: pit whereas we in the ocean it's dangerous. You can

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Speaker 2: only surf at certain times. Not everybody can surf, and

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Speaker 2: Whereas again, if you have a boat, you can be

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Speaker 2: pulled on a tube. Yes, you could water ski, you

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Speaker 2: There's some you can tie up your boats. But again

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Speaker 2: when you type your boats, that cuts away anything on

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Speaker 2: You got to bring your own food, bring your own

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Speaker 2: a beach. It's not close. Participation in water sport and

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Speaker 2: Let the Foxes and Now say every day at this

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Speaker 2: time in the Bonus Podcast and The Doug Gottlib Show,

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Speaker 2: does the Fox Sake? This is? This is Rob Parker

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Speaker 2: talking about the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: If I'm a New York Knicks fan today, I am melancholy.

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Speaker 3: I am a Debbie Downer. I am distraught because Mike Brown.

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Speaker 3: Really this will be like his fifth time being a

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Speaker 3: head coach, and very seldom does a coach win a

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Speaker 3: championship after making that many stops. Okay, it just normally

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Speaker 3: doesn't happen that way. I can think of one guy

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Speaker 3: it's happened too, and that's about it, off the top

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Speaker 3: of my head, who made numerous stops and won later

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Speaker 3: on in his career. So the Knicks wanted Larry Brown,

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Speaker 3: but I think they got closer to Charlie Brown by

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Speaker 3: hiring Mike Brown. I mean, Larry Brown did it. Larry

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Speaker 3: Brown won the Pistons with the championship with the Pistons

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Speaker 4: But he ain't Larry Brown.

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Speaker 3: Larry Brown also won a championship in college. Larry Brown's

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Speaker 3: the only coach who won in the NBA and in

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Speaker 3: college basketball. So you're talking about a select group. Mike

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Speaker 3: Brown hasn't won anything, zero zip NAWA. They thought they

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Speaker 3: had something going and Sacramento couldn't win the big game, right.

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Speaker 3: There were a couple of times where you thought the

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Speaker 3: King's gonna advance, They're gonna beat the up Warriors and

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Speaker 3: move on.

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Speaker 2: No way, No, how, Yeah, I don't. I mean, here's

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Speaker 2: my issue with rob Okay, and it's like, I don't

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Speaker 2: like Mike Brown for the jobs. Pisico what he's saying. Now,

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Speaker 2: My Brown's been in an NBA finals with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 2: Sacramento saw success they hadn't seen in a couple of decades.

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Speaker 2: My biggest issue with my biggest issue with what Rob's

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Speaker 2: saying is what is the suggestion of who they should

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Speaker 2: if it was, Hey, I don't think you should have

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Speaker 2: fired Tips, that's fine. We do know that Tom Tibodau

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Speaker 2: If your suggestion is there's somebody else out there that

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown's good enough, you know, can you tell me

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Speaker 5: You talking about one of the most hated and cheered

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Speaker 5: sports player of this generation who still sells out the

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Speaker 5: arena and for one Brook Lopez probably went to the

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Speaker 5: Clippers in all honesty because they offered him more money

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Speaker 5: and he wanted to be in La It wasn't the

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Speaker 5: uncertainty of Lebron. We know Lebron is probably gonna be

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Speaker 5: decide to trade Lebron, which I doubt because he has

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Speaker 5: has nothing to do would having a Lebron problem. This

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Speaker 5: has everything to do with situation you're gonna be in

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Speaker 5: who wouldn't want to be a Laker? Who wouldn't want

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Speaker 5: to play for Luca. Lebron has brought everything he could

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Speaker 5: problem is not Lebron if anything like he said, the

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Speaker 5: problem is the Lakers. Are they going to do anything

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Speaker 5: to get better what he's brought to the city of

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles. He's brought tears, he's brought joy. Let this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, here's the issue with all of these guys

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Speaker 2: then why does he need to go anywhere else? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: You know why if you have two top ten players

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Speaker 2: then why would you Why would you think you can't

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Speaker 2: it's a super strange it's super strange waving of the

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Speaker 2: white flag. It's the woe is me suddenly now it's

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Speaker 2: Luca's team, not mine. So I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: I need to go to somewhere else. I don't think

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Speaker 2: the room. Deandrew doesn't really do that. Is he an

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Speaker 2: we do realize that if he wanted to be somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: to top ten players and pretty much anything else, you

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Speaker 6: it's worth the conversation if you were to get rid

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Speaker 6: a long term contract doesn't serve the Pittsburgh Steelers in

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Speaker 2: That he has.

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Speaker 6: If right now you feel like this is the best

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Speaker 2: can always franchise tag them. There's there's I mean, the

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Speaker 2: that's an aside. The bigger point is, I just I

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Speaker 2: Watt's contract, like he'll be a free agent next year

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Speaker 2: and he won't. He could be franchise tag. They can

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Speaker 2: And again, if you look at everything else Pittsburgh's doing,

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Speaker 2: they're aligning with Aaron Rodgers, which says it is my

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.

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Speaker 4: Bronnie James, the son of a Brown, was caught by

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Speaker 7: Actually, one of my friends called me talking about what

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Speaker 7: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 1: He called me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I have no idea what was

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Speaker 7: So I don't really pay attention to that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we don't really not much. But when stuff like

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Speaker 2: And again I have told no ill will towards any

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Speaker 2: you know, nash Vegas. It's a vacation spot even in

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Speaker 2: And we have this defense over Detroit, which I've never understood.

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Speaker 2: We're giving them another Final four? Why are we giving

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Speaker 2: But again, if I'm starting from a scratch and we've

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Speaker 2: And I actually think Sophie's dead on right about too

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Speaker 4: So that and uh, Bronnie James reminded me of how

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Speaker 2: I know you are, and for that you're annoying.

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Doug Travis Kelcey was on the Bustle with the

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Speaker 7: And I'm going into Lambeau and I'm thinking, this is Lamba,

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Speaker 1: He says, don't fucking ever fucking talk to me.

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Speaker 7: I'll fucking kill you, or something something along the line

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Speaker 1: And I was just like, I couldn't even say anything

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Speaker 7: I'm just like, dude, they're just playing ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, little shit. Ah, so good, so so good, Oh good.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Why can you play it for you?

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Speaker 2: Only right here because we can. That's it for the

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Speaker 2: end the Bones Podcast. Check out The Doug Gottlieb Show

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Speaker 2: on radio every day three to five Easter and twelve

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