1 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: What Is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. We have, of course a 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: lot to talk about, but the main focus of today's 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: episode is going to be the most important player for 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: the New York Mets this season, the twenty twenty five season, 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: undoubtedly Code I Sango. We've talked about him a lot 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: on this podcast already. We know that in spring training 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of eyes and a lot 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: of pressure on him, both with good reason. Especially with 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: the injuries toys pitching staff. Code Is Sanga becomes the 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: most important player on this team. The Mets kind of 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: live or die right now with code Isanga. That's could 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: change a lot of how this season looks, and we're 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: going to talk about it. But before we do, make 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: sure you are following us on all our social media 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Mets Up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. If you have 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: not yet in the YouTube channel, go subscribe over there 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Messed Up Podcast. You can see the video version of this. 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: We got videos with Daniel Murphy that are either out 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: or coming out already at some point. We have Zach 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: Scott coming on the show as well. We have so 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: many great interviews and content coming at you, so make 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: sure you are subscribed over there, and if you like 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: to listen to the podcast Apple podcast, Spotify, Google, drops 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a rating, drops a review, download and subscribe to James 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: Code I Sango. We saw him pitch the other night. 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: What makes him the most important player on this team? 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: Just first and foremost? 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a full week ago at this point. But 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: it's just the fact that this Mets pitching staff is 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: getting hit hard early, the fact that we've really lost 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Sean and I. He might be back kind of soon, 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: but you never like to see a muscle injury to 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: a premier pitcher on your staff in February. And the 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: Frankie Montes injury too, not a lot of good feelings 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: about it. He's not even not even report that he's 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: close to throwing yet. So when you look at those 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: two guys being hurt, when you look at this Mets 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: team from last year and you see the fact that 40 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: we got I don't know what it was like five 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty innings between the Jose Catana, Sean Sa 42 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: Sean and I Luisa Vrino trio, and none of those 43 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: guys are going to be on this opening day roster 44 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: and you only got five regular season innings from Code 45 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: last year, about thirteen fourteen total with the playoffs. You 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: realize that he is the guy that has to step 47 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: up and fill this void because behind Code that we 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: still have David Peterson, who looks like there's a step 49 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: to be taken, Tyler McGill, who we are going to 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: be confident about in this podcast until we're blue in 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: the face and past that's a lot more just question marks, 52 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: like he is the guy who is he's the true 53 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: X factor, Like if something goes wrong with the lineup, 54 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: either something is a catastrophe with one of our one 55 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: of our superstars, or is something like you know, Nimbles 56 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: banged up, or like maybe Fianda's having a sophomore slump. 57 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: But the rest of the lineup is always going to 58 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: be good enough to at least whether any storm. I 59 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: think that happens as long as only one of those 60 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: guys something, if anything bad would happened to them. Where 61 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: Kodi right now is on the razor's edge, and he's 62 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: on the precipice of someone that could be legitimately as 63 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: we saw in twenty twenty three, true as or someone 64 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: who can barely pitch as we saw last year, and 65 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: if anything in between would be okay. But this team 66 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 2: gets the closest to their potential and right up to 67 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: their ceiling with Coda having another twenty season like he 68 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty three. 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about World Series or anything 70 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: like that because I think that's way too far ahead. 71 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: We got to right now focused on just being the 72 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: best team in the National League East. That's the best 73 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: way to get into the playoffs and give yourself a 74 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: run at the World Series. And if the Mets want 75 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: to win the Division, CODEI has to be twenty twenty 76 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: three code. 77 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: I like he. 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: I think people forget how disgustingly good he was in 79 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: that season. Finished seventh in the Cy Young Award that year. 80 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Second rookie year was an All Star, was worth a 81 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: round like four and a half wins according to Baseball Reference. 82 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: War I think even a little bit yet with a Yeah, 83 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: his era was two point nine to eight, the whip 84 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: was low. He was striking out. He shouk out over 85 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: two hundred batters in one hundred and sixty six innings 86 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: like he was. It sucks because twenty twenty three was 87 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: such a waste of a year and there was such 88 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: nothingness that happened that season, but he was so vastly important, 89 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: and even in the one start he made in the 90 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: regular season last year, the Mets made the playoffs by 91 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: one game. That game against the Atlanta Braves that he 92 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: pitched when he made his one appearance, the five and 93 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: a third innings, nine strikeouts, two hits, one home run, 94 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: like that was a difference maker in that game. It 95 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like but if you built that game in September, 96 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the greatest starts that you'll 97 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: ever remember of Code I Sangle. But because it happened 98 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: earlier in the year kind of gets forgotten. This guy 99 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: has the ability to completely change the outlook of this team. 100 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: So if we can get let's let's even take it 101 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: back a notch, just a little bit worse than twenty 102 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: twenty three Code If we can get like three five 103 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: and one hundred and fifty innings out of Code I 104 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 1: this year, that is just so insanely huge for this roster. 105 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: If we get on a hundred fifty innings from Coode, 106 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: I sayg this year, I'll be on my hands and 107 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: knees thanking the greater powers above. 108 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: You don't think we get that. 109 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: I just it's hard to expect that because you look 110 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: at his last before he came to the US. Last 111 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: season the MPB through one to forty. First season in 112 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: the US, he threw one sixty. Last year he threw 113 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: fifteen total. With you like, think about it, how much 114 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: could you realistically expect one hundred twenty one hundred and forty. 115 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: I think it's the ceiling, like there's there's just there's 116 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: such a limitation on what he can do, especially when 117 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: we have Tim Healy on the show last week. He 118 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: talks about the fact that Kodai Sanga has been dealing 119 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: with shoulder soreness his whole life. He said he basically 120 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: never felt good going back to high school and the 121 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: fact that there's been some kind of pushing pull with him. 122 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: Not pushing pull with the Mets, but there's been The 123 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: way that Tim described it was that there's like a 124 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: weird situation going on right now with Codai's health. Where 125 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: he ended last season pitching, so he Jumi's healthy, then 126 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: apparently he comes to camp not raise the pitch yet, 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: and maybe that's just him being meticulous as him being 128 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: a perfectionist. But that is not the most comforting thing 129 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: to hear from the guy that is the absolute lightning 130 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: rod of this team. 131 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: No, when Tim said that, my heart kind of sunk 132 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit and I was like, I was bucked 133 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: out of my head. I was like, what do you mean? 134 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: One that the Mets weren't really sure what was going 135 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: on last year with Code? I like, what are we 136 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: talking about? And then too, like to be fliberg astd 137 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: In shocked that he wasn't ready to go coming out 138 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: of spring like that is definitely concerning. But also maybe 139 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: this is part of the reason why CODEI got the 140 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: contract that he did, and that was one thing that 141 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: we were taking as a major positive last year was Hey, 142 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: sucks that he's not pitching this year, but now we 143 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: have him for the next couple of seasons for applesolutely free. 144 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: Maybe this is why that contract was like that. 145 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, what Mark's talking about is the fact that in 146 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: code that's initial deal with the mess that a lot 147 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: of people did think was a little bit on the 148 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: cheap side, it got blown out of the wall by 149 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: show that Imanaga from the Cubs too, who just makes 150 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: nine million dollars in lest years on the best pitcher 151 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: in baseball, but Code I had an opt out clause 152 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: where if he would have hit I believe it was 153 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: four hundred or five hundred innings over the first three 154 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: years of that deal. And people are like, oh, that's 155 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: a smash. Of course a pitcher's going to do that. 156 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: But then you saw last year you have chronic shoulder issues. 157 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: That doesn't happen. So now we do have Code there 158 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: for the full five years of this contract, and that's 159 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: the issue. That's why this is so tantalizing, because you 160 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: can see the upside, you can see the downside. Even 161 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: his first spring training game, if you go back a 162 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: little bit over a week now, he's throwing a new 163 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: sinker that looks amazing. The thing that kind of took 164 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: him to the next level as a rookie I got 165 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: rookie in quote air quotes because he was a professional 166 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: baseball player for a long time Japan. Was when he 167 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: brought in that color to kind of bridge to bridge 168 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: his repertoire together because he didn't really have a feel 169 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: for this sweeper. It was the fastball and that goes 170 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: for nothing really in between them. And then he brings 171 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: in that picture and you're like, oh, this is someone 172 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: who can do a lot, a lot, a lot of 173 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: good now, and that from when he started throwing that pitch. 174 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: At the end of the year, he was arguably one 175 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: of the three, three or four best pitchers in baseball. 176 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: But from June on he went it was like, what 177 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: sixteen out of like eighteen stars, we won at least 178 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: six innings. Almost the whole season. He didn't give him 179 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: more than four runs an individual start. It was it 180 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: was just on from that moment, and last year he 181 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: made three starts to the entire season. Braves, Phillies, Dodgers like, 182 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: we literally say, it's him on ice for the three 183 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: best teams. And two of those three stars were really 184 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: really good. We know the last one is the one 185 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: that was really bad, and that's why people remember a 186 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: little bit. But it's so you look at this guy 187 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: and you realize what he can be, and you realize 188 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: he is exactly what this team needer and now is 189 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: exactly I think that can change our fortunes. And it's 190 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: just it's a I don't want to say it's a 191 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: painful proposition, but it's one that definitely gives me a 192 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: little It doesn't give me the best feeling in my stomach, 193 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: but also makes me hopeful. Yeah, it doesn't give me 194 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: a logia though. 195 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's gonna be so bizarre. I mean, 196 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: I will say, all the projection systems right now that 197 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: you can see on fangrafts, the lowest that they haven't 198 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: for projected innings going into the season is one hundred 199 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: thirty eight and that's from zips. They have him going 200 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: as high as one hundred and sixty three from steam 201 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: or so. That's that is probably the range that he 202 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: lives in with a healthy season. You can't predict injuries 203 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but that's probably the range he 204 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: lives in. 205 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: One, I think that those are a little bit generous. 206 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: But two, then if you go to the other side 207 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: of the era's he's projected right now, we've talked about 208 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: this a little bit so good. There's a chance that 209 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: we don't really know his true talent in the major 210 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: leagues because again he picked up that color and that 211 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: changed him as a pitcher. But then there could be 212 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: bounced back to the league. I think he's still really 213 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: good because when that pitch happened, but his projected the 214 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: ras kind of spanned between three four and three nine, 215 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: and I do think that's a good bet for where 216 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: he is again. We say he had that two nine 217 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: to eight era. He was one of the best pitchers 218 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: in the NL. He was still walking a lot of guys. 219 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: He was really good at kind of bearing down stranded 220 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: guys on base. His home run rate was a little 221 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: bit low, but I think it will always be a 222 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: little bit low. That's why picking up the sicker this 223 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: year could be really good. He can get another weapon 224 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: against the arrieties, he can get more ground balls. But 225 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: there's there's so many different outcomes that Code Sang can 226 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: have this year. And I have a feeling that this 227 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: Mets regged team that met this Mets team's regular season 228 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: record could be directly correlated to the product that we 229 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: get from Koda I Sanga. 230 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: Truthfully, yeah, I mean yeah, they need him. He's their 231 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: frontline guy. And especially with Manaia missing the month early, 232 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be so weird this rotation the first month 233 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: of the season, Like we're gonna have Code I who's, 234 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: like you said, through fifteen innings last year. Whenever he's 235 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: ready coming back to throw innings, it's probably still gonna 236 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: be pretty limited early on. I don't think we're gonna 237 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: see any long, deep starts from a guy like Code 238 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I sang in April. Manaia is eventually gonna come back, 239 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: hopefully at the end of April, maybe more so in 240 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of May. He's gonna have to come back 241 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: a little bit slowly too, unless he gets crazy ramped 242 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: up in spring. Clay Holmes is going from reliever to 243 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: starting pitcher. We saw him throw sixty seven pitches in 244 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: his last start in spring training. They're still trying to 245 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: stretch his arm out. Then you have guys like Griffin 246 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: Canning and Tyler McGill and they ap Pearce's like they're 247 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit of chaos to start. 248 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. Someone has to be a horse, 249 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: because we're gonna push that ballpen hard early, and you 250 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: push your ballpen harder early, they get tired earlier too, 251 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: So then we need the pitchers to become the horses 252 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: midway through season. But midway through the season, the guys 253 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: who are healthy now by then one of them is 254 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: gonna be injured. Of course, that's how pitching works. So 255 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: it's like This is gonna be such a meticulous, careful 256 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: process here, and it helps the Mets a lot. If 257 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: Coda saying can give them ninety one hundred pitches with 258 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: full health in April and may changes everything. I don't 259 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: know if he's going to be able to do that, 260 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: you think, then again, this thing all comes back Tyler 261 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: McGill then, like it always does, like every single conversation, 262 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: it comes right back to Tyler McGill. 263 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: He always the most important player. Is this is this 264 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: back to our original YouTube video that we did when 265 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: we didn't do like just a podcast episode, where like 266 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Tyler McGill is the X factor for the. 267 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: Mets, he's the most important player. That's not code, I sang, guy, 268 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: I think he probably might be. I mean maybe David 269 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Pearson too. Maybe the combination of those guys because they've 270 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: been joined at the hip for their entire career. They're 271 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: born one month apart, which is even crazy between Peterson 272 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: and Go two months apart. But it's just CODI it 273 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: becomes such a careful dance. And that's where I get 274 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: the fear. I don't like that the person who's being 275 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: considered our ace, who does have by far the highest 276 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: upside of any pitcher on our roster. It's a careful dance. 277 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: Maybe that's just his own meticulousness. Maybe that's just because 278 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: he's being careful about how last year kind of spiraled 279 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: out of control. But it seems like right now it's 280 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: not as easy as I wish it was for Code 281 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: I saying it to be on the mound on opening 282 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: Day and us be cheering for him. 283 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I definitely thought we would have seen more 284 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: than one appearance in a spring training game in a backfield. 285 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: Mark the backfield. According to this, he pitched on the backfield. 286 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, in games that matter, in front of people, 287 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: the adrenaline pump, and I would have liked to have 288 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: seen Code I a little bit more, just from a 289 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: feel good standpoint. 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Get after at ftfam. 318 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: And on top of that, another part that's weird not 319 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: weird because this season will probably be like this or 320 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: the Mets, which is another level of complication. There was 321 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: seven days in between those starts. He had six days 322 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: of rets. Well, the first was March third and that's all. 323 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: The second was March ninth, so six days, which is 324 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: again that's his normal range. But we're going to have 325 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: to do that too. We need we're going to need 326 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: a six men rotation, and it probably is good for 327 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: these guys to have more off days, but again that's 328 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: stress on the bullpen, and that stress on Read Garrett, 329 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: that stressed on Max cran going to be a long man. 330 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: Jose bu though, like those are gonna be the guys 331 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: between Crannic and Budo who are going to have to 332 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: give us two or three innings sometimes twice a week 333 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: each to be able to bridge this guy Blackburn. Blackburn's 334 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: going to be in six man rotation. We're going to 335 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: have a six man again. We have a couple off 336 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: days early and we probably pushed Code to not be 337 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: starving as the first guy of the season just so 338 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: we can give him a couple more off days baked in. 339 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: But once we get to April twentieth and we're running, 340 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: we're playing baseball every single day, Like the season's in 341 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: full swing, you're gonna have as long as everyone is 342 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: good from then till now, Code I sang it, David Peterson, 343 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: Clay Holmes, Tyler mcgil, Griffin, Canning and Paul Blackburn, and 344 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people probably aren't really that thrill to 345 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: three four, possibly five of those names, depending on who 346 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: you are as a Mets fan, possibly six of those 347 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: names because of the fear we're instilling on Code Sanger 348 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: right now. So it's just it's going to be such 349 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: a careful dance, and there's going to be so much 350 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: stress and pressure, specifically on Code and Peterson at the 351 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: top is the guy who've done it in the major 352 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: leagues as a starter for a full season. I guess 353 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: Cannon and Blackburn too, and then McGill. It's just it's 354 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: so bizarre right now out like I'm trust I trust 355 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: David Searns, David Searns, Jeremy half Ner, Eric Jaegers to 356 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: the ends of the earth, like I'm following them into battle. 357 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: But this is gonna this is gonna be a real 358 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: battle in April and May. 359 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: It's it's so crazy. The good thing is we don't 360 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: like play like the Phillies or Braves early in the 361 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: season either right, we played them more so in the 362 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: middle of the year. I'm pretty sure with our MLB horrible, 363 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: horrible schedule, we don't do them until probably August. If 364 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: it makes sense, I'll do. 365 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: I'll do. 366 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: The James shown a yearly bashing of the major league schedule, 367 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: especially the Mets. We don't play the Braves until the 368 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: mill of June, so just enough time for Spencer Strive 369 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: and Ronald the Cooney to get back and be healthy. 370 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: But it is that we do have a little bit 371 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: of time early in the season. I think seven of 372 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: our first fifteen games against the Marlins, so we have 373 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: that hopefully to ease us into this stretch. But it's 374 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: going to be a battle. Like Mets fans, you thought 375 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: that like last April and May were bad, Like, I 376 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be that bad. But you're gonna 377 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: have to get your stomach ready for this rotation. What 378 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: we're gonna how creative we're going to have to be 379 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: to get through these innings. 380 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot a 381 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on Code. I sang his shoulders to 382 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: be backs because we need him. We need him so badly. 383 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: He is the X factor for this team. The offense 384 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: is great, we know that that's not where our questions 385 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: are at. It's on the pitching side. And it starts 386 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: and ends with Code I saying it need him back, 387 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: especially with all these injuries. Anything else here to talk 388 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: about James or about to wrap it up? 389 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: That's good. That's the X Factor episode, Code I sango 390 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: this year's Mets X Factor there is, guys. 391 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening and watching. Make sure 392 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: you are subscribed to the metsup podcast YouTube channel. If 393 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: you're listening to US Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google drops the rating, drops, review, download, 394 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: and subscribe. You could subscribe to James's YouTube channel. What 395 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: is it called? 396 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: It's James, Youano, just my name perfect. 397 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: And I'm draftneck Mark with the c. Thank you guys 398 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: for listening and watching. We'll catch you all on the 399 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: next episode. 400 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: Peace out, Peace out, guys, Let's go, Mets.