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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised.

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Speaker 1: The following is a news report that appeared on October fourth,

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty two, in the Territorial Enterprise, the leading newspaper

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Speaker 1: in Virginia City, Nevada at the time. A petrified man

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Speaker 1: was found some time ago in the mountains south of

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Speaker 1: gravelly Ford. Every limb and feature of the stony mummy

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Speaker 1: was perfect, not even excepting the left leg, which has

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Speaker 1: evidently been a wooden one during the lifetime of the owner,

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Speaker 1: which lifetime, by the way, came to a close about

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Speaker 1: a century ago. In the opinion of a savant who

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Speaker 1: has examined the defunct the body was in a sitting

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Speaker 1: posture and leaning against a huge mass of croppings. The

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Speaker 1: attitude was pensive, the right thumb resting against the side

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Speaker 1: of the nose, The left thumb partially supported the chin,

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Speaker 1: the forefinger pressing the inner corner of the left eye

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Speaker 1: and drawing it partly open. The right eye was closed,

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Speaker 1: and the fingers of the right hand spread apart. This

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Speaker 1: strange freak of nature created a profound sensation in the

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Speaker 1: vicinity and our informants states that by request, just As

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Speaker 1: Sewell or Soul of Humboldt City at once proceeded to

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Speaker 1: the spot and held an inquest on the body. The

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Speaker 1: verdict of the jury was that deceased came to his

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Speaker 1: death from protracted exposure. The people of the neighborhood volunteered

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Speaker 1: to bury the poor unfortunate, and were even anxious to

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Speaker 1: do so, But it was discovered when they attempted to

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Speaker 1: remove him, that the water which had dripped upon him

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Speaker 1: for ages from the crag above, had coursed down his

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Speaker 1: back and deposited a limestone ediment under him, which had

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Speaker 1: glued him to the bedrock upon which he sat. And

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Speaker 1: Judge s refused to allow the charitable citizens to blast

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Speaker 1: him from his position. The opinion expressed by his honor

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Speaker 1: that such a course would be little less than sacrilege,

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Speaker 1: was eminently just and proper. Everybody goes to see the Stoneman,

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Speaker 1: as many as three hundred having visited the hardened creature

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Speaker 1: during the past five or six weeks. A remarkable story. Yes, however,

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Speaker 1: not a word of it was true. But in the

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixties version of going viral, the story was reprinted

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Speaker 1: in multiple newspapers across the country and eventually around the

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Speaker 1: world before its author and Mr. Samuel Clemens later known

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Speaker 1: as Mark Twain, owned up to his hoax. Clemmens, pursuing

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Speaker 1: a career in mining, had settled in Virginia City, but

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Speaker 1: has turned his efforts to journalism, and Virginia City is

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Speaker 1: where he got his start. According to Hoaxes dot Org.

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Speaker 1: Twain later admitted that he was surprised at how many

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Speaker 1: people were fooled by his story. It was his first

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Speaker 1: attempt at a hoax, and when he penned it he

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Speaker 1: had considered it a string of roaring absurdities. But once

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Speaker 1: he realized how well his deception had succeeded, he admitted

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Speaker 1: feeling a soothing secret satisfaction, especially since his goal was

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Speaker 1: to mock Judge Sewell. Seems though, that if Mark Twain

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Speaker 1: had stuck around those dusty streets in the hills a

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Speaker 1: little bit longer, he may not have had to resort

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Speaker 1: to his famous satire, because even today, one hundred sixty

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Speaker 1: years later, the ghost stories coming out of Nevada's most

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Speaker 1: famous boom town are prevalent, captivating, and downright terrifying. I'm

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Speaker 1: amy Brunei and this is Haunted Road. Virginia City is

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Speaker 1: near the western border of Nevada. It is the seat

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Speaker 1: of a mountain purchased precariously over miles of tunnels and

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Speaker 1: shafts remaining from the mining glory days. C Street is

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Speaker 1: the main thoroughfare, while streets lettered B and a home

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Speaker 1: of the town's wealthy, are up the hill. D Street

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Speaker 1: the Red Light District, V and T railroad depot, the

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Speaker 1: local tribes in the area, and or stamp mills. The

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Speaker 1: It's one of many communities that began as a boom town,

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Speaker 1: but it's not just any boom town. Virginia City was

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Speaker 1: established in eighteen fifty nine with the discovery of the

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Speaker 1: comstock Load, the first major silver deposit discovery in the

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Speaker 1: United States. After this discovery was made public, it sparked

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Speaker 1: a silver rush of prospectors to the area, scrambling to

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Speaker 1: and throughout the United States, the greatest since the gold

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Speaker 1: Rush in eighteen forty nine. Mining camp soon thrived in

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Speaker 1: the Vicinity, which became bustling commercial centers, including Virginia City

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Speaker 1: and Gold Hill. While the quest for gold may have

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Speaker 1: it was silver that made men's fortunes in Nevada. The

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Speaker 1: Comstock load is one of the most important mining discoveries

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Speaker 1: in American history, yielding both silver and gold, being the

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Speaker 1: first major silver discovery in United States history. Of the

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Speaker 1: total ore taken out from the area, approximately fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent was silver and forty two was gold. It is

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Speaker 1: the most dramatic event in Nevada's nineteenth century history, with

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Speaker 1: and gold was taken out of the comstock, a staggering

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Speaker 1: number for the times. How did Virginia's city get its name,

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Speaker 1: you know, being nowhere near Virginia, Well, it was thanks

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Speaker 1: to a series of discoveries and thanks to a man

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Speaker 1: named Henry Old Pancake Comstock. Why did we stop giving

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Speaker 1: people nicknames like this in the wake of the gold rush?

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Speaker 1: James Old Virginie Finney, I'm sensing a theme here and

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Speaker 1: friends initially had luck panning for gold and what they

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Speaker 1: dubbed Gold Hill, But as the months passed and the

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Speaker 1: miners dug deeper, they eventually hit a deposit of difficult

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Speaker 1: Most deposits of gold are small, so when the miners

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Speaker 1: ran out of the easy diggings, they assumed they found

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Speaker 1: all there was. That's what happened to Old Virginie. The

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Speaker 1: gold ran out, so he moved on regardless. His name

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Speaker 1: was forever associated with the area and stuck instantly. That June,

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Speaker 1: O'Reilly and Pat McLoughlin struggled to make a off it

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Speaker 1: The claim was yielding only one or two dollars worth

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Speaker 1: richer claims near the West Walker River, about twenty five

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Speaker 1: probably until they made enough money to pay for the move.

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Speaker 1: It takes water to sift gold out of sand and dirt,

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Speaker 1: the men decided to dam up with some strange bluish

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Speaker 1: sand they'd uncovered nearby. Almost on a whim, they tossed

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Speaker 1: Old Virginny had recovered gold by the ounce. O'Reilly and

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Speaker 1: McLoughlin celebrated their whimsical find, Old Pancake happened to come

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Speaker 1: very real. Thankfully they stuck with the name Comstock Load

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Speaker 1: In text from the eighteen seventies, it was reported that

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Speaker 1: people began to speak of the vein as Comstock's mine

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Speaker 1: Comstock's load, While the names of O'Reilly and McLoughlin, the

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Speaker 1: first real discoverers, are seldom heard. The Comstock load discovery

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Speaker 1: and subsequent growth of Virginia City is unequaled in the

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Speaker 1: history of the American West. More money was produced by

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Speaker 1: decade before. By eighteen seventy six, Nevada produced over half

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Speaker 1: four hundred million in the coinage of the day. Coming

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Speaker 1: from Virginia Cities mines. The wealth supported the Northern Pause

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Speaker 1: Virginia Cities population grew from eighteen fifty nine through the

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Speaker 1: Between eighteen sixty two and eighteen sixty three alone, Virginia

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Speaker 1: Cities population increased from four thousand to fifteen thousand residents,

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Speaker 1: making it one of the largest cities in America's Southwest. Predictably,

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Speaker 1: as four rose power struggles emerged through time, the ownership

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Speaker 1: The Bank of California Bank crowd dominated by William Sharon

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Speaker 1: in Virginia City and William Ralston and San Francisco, financed

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Speaker 1: reports of mining wealth, fortunes could be made in the

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Speaker 1: stocks of Virginia Cities mines. Miners were actually locked in

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Speaker 1: Big Four, as the men were called, eventually controlled the

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Speaker 1: Mackie purchased the lavish home in eighteen seventy one. Thereafter,

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Speaker 1: he used it as a mining office and as a

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Speaker 1: and population dropped off by eighteen eighty. When Virginia City

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Speaker 1: it experienced a tragic blow, the Great Fire of eighteen seventy.

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Speaker 1: This infamous event caused twelve million dollars in damage, and

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Speaker 1: according to an onlooker, the world was on fire, a

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Speaker 1: square mile of roaring flames. The main mine shafts were

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Speaker 1: thousand people were left homeless. In the years after the

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Speaker 1: Great Fire, Virginia City did rebuild, but most of the

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Speaker 1: of Virginia Cities success and its people left just as

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Speaker 1: the load was scraped dry. By eighteen seventy nine, the

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Speaker 1: population fell to just under eleven thousand. While Virginia City

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Speaker 1: never quite saw the action it did in its heyday,

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Speaker 1: There's a few notable and very haunted structures, So let's

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Speaker 1: that afternoon. The story goes that although a funeral occurred,

430
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: the decent populace could not let a woman of easy

431
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: virtue be buried in consecrated ground. She was entombed in

432
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: a lonely grave half a mile east of town. A

433
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: simple wooden plank with the name Julia painted on it

434
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: was all that marked her final resting place. Her gruesome

435
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: and sudden death impacted the community. Virginia City went into

436
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: mourning for her, with the mines, mills and saloons being

437
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: closed down as a mark of respect. On the day

438
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: of her funeral, January one, thousands formed a procession of

439
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: honor behind her black plumed glass walled hurst, first the fireman,

440
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: who were followed by the Nevada militia who played funeral dirges.

441
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: The thousands may or may not be inflated, but a

442
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: contemporary paper explained that the extreme inclemency of the weather

443
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: prevented many from attending the funeral, although there was quite

444
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: a large number, notwithstanding the rain and snow that followed

445
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: her to the grave. Let her faults be buried with

446
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: her and her virtues live, they said. Now The conviction

447
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: of the supposed murderer of Julia could be an entire

448
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: episode itself, but I will say it was quite controversial

449
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: and involved. Eventually, her killer was determined to be John Millen,

450
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: a Frenchman who, according to the gold Hill Daily News

451
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: at the time, was aged about thirty five years, a large,

452
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: heavy built man with a coarse, sonorous voice. He apparently

453
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: followed the business of washing for a living, and it

454
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: is supposed had been doing the clothes washing for his

455
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: victim and thereby became acquainted with the premises where she

456
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: lived and also acquired a knowledge of her effects. On

457
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: the day of his hanging, roughly three to four thousand

458
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: onlookers arrived to watch the site in hooting women with

459
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: children in their arms before he was hanged. In his

460
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: last words, John declared he was not afraid to die

461
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: and cared only for the disgrace the manner of his

462
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: death would bring upon his family and France. So with

463
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: all of that being said, there is still even more

464
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: to talk about regarding Virginia City, and I have Debbie Bender,

465
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: a paranormal investigator and owner of Bats in the Belfry

466
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: Ghost Tours, coming up next to give us all the

467
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: Ghost Lea for one one in town. Now, before I

468
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: bring on our guests for today, I just wanted to

469
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about my history with Virginia City

470
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: because it actually goes back quite a ways. When I

471
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: was a child, I grew up in northern California. I

472
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: was part of a big family, and so we did

473
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: not take trips to Disneyland. We took trips to Lake

474
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Tahoe to camp, or if we were feeling particularly extravagant,

475
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: my parents might treat us to a trip to Circus

476
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Circus and Reno. And you know, whenever we took these trips,

477
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: we would always take a little sidebar trip to places

478
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: like Virginia City. And I'll never forget the first time

479
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: I was approaching Virginia City. When you get to Virginia City,

480
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: you literally leave Reno and you just kind of start

481
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: driving and you're basically it feels like in the middle

482
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: of nowhere. You're in the high desert. You're traversing these

483
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: very windy roads, and occasionally there's a sign to kind

484
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: of remind you of where you're going, you know, something

485
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: that says like you're approaching the Bucket of Blood Saloon,

486
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: or come see the suicide table. You know, so me

487
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: as a child, I was like, where are my parents

488
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: taking me? And once you get there, it really is

489
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of like stepping back in time. It's just kind

490
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: of nestled up in the hills. Everything looks very much

491
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: like the Old West. I mean, it really is. And

492
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: even then as a child, I was just quite enamored

493
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: by this place, even though, you know, once I got

494
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: to like the suicide table, for example, it was just

495
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: a table in the back of a casino that looked

496
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: very old. So, you know that being said, later on

497
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: in life, I did a lot of investigating in Virginia City.

498
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: It was in pretty close proximity to where I lived,

499
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of friends in that area,

500
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: and before it was ever really on ghost shows or

501
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: anything like that, we would investigate a number of buildings

502
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: in town and got really great results. But I always

503
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of look back on it, you know, as a

504
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: child being completely obsessed with what seemed to be a

505
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: very morbid history, and then later kind of ending up

506
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: there in the dark looking for ghosts. So many years

507
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: later and now here are again, and like many episodes

508
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: of this podcast that I record, it kind of just

509
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: makes me want to get back there. So that being said,

510
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I want to bring on my guest for the day.

511
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: So today my guest is Debbie Bender. She is the

512
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: owner of Bats in the Belfree Ghost Tours. She's a

513
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator herself. She has been leading ghost tours and

514
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: investigations in Virginia City for the last thirteen years, so

515
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: she definitely knows a thing or two about the hauntings there.

516
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: I would say, so, Debbie, thank you so much for

517
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you for having me. Of course, you

518
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: came very highly recommended by a mutual friend of ours.

519
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I was surprised I hadn't met you, but I know

520
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: you and I did chat on the phone many years

521
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: ago about some of the hauntings in town. So can

522
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: you just kind of quickly give us the rundown on

523
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: how you got involved in Virginia City and kind of

524
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing there on the day to day. Well,

525
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I was born in Reno and have been going up

526
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: to Virginia City ever since I was little, and history

527
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: has always been my first love, even before ghost hunting.

528
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: And there's so much history in Virginia City and combining

529
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: the to the history with the ghost and everything the

530
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: more I got into it, the more fascinated I was,

531
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, this needs to be shared

532
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: with people, and started doing the ghost tours up there,

533
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and we've been doing it ever since, almost thirteen years. Yeah.

534
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, what I love about it is that there

535
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: are so many different kind of haunted locations, but they're

536
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: all in very close proximity, Like a lot of them

537
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: are within walking distance of each other, and it's just

538
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: kind of all just nestled in one little place. But

539
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: they all have very different stories and very different hauntings

540
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and very different bits of history. And you know, one

541
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: of the things I find really interesting in some of

542
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: these older like mining towns, is there's so much folklore

543
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: and lore that you have to sort of sort through, um,

544
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: you know. I mean a Virginia city is famous for that.

545
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I love about

546
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: the town is there's so many legends, and I'm a

547
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: firm believer that within every legend there's that kernel of truth.

548
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: You just have to dig a little bit to find it.

549
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: But it's just this wonderful, like colorful quilt of stories.

550
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: It's funny because I do remember just having visited so

551
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: much and unfortunately haven't been there. I don't think i've

552
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: been back in over ten years, but I do remember

553
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: even the locals today just being kind of very colorful people,

554
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: filled with stories, and I just kind of almost felt

555
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: like they were like directly connected to or like somehow

556
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: just part of the heart of that town. Like everyone

557
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: who lives their year round just seems very vested in

558
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: keeping Virginia City the way that it is. Would you

559
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: say that's true? Oh? Absolutely. I mean some of the

560
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: most interesting people I've ever met in my life have

561
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: been in Virginia City. And you'll be talking to someone

562
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: and else sudden they'll tell you a story about themselves

563
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh my god, that's incredible. Yeah.

564
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I do think it takes a special kind of character

565
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: to kind of take up residence in an old mining

566
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: town and just be completely dedicated to kind of keeping

567
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: it alive, because you know, there are many towns, not

568
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: necessarily on the scale of Virginia City that really never

569
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: survived once the gold or silver ran out, the town

570
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: kind of expired with it. So I think that's one

571
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: of the things I do love about Virginia City, But

572
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: it's also super haunted. I've had some crazy experiences there

573
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: over the years. To me, the three major haunts are

574
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: obviously the wash Shoe Club, Pipers, and the Mackay Mansion.

575
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: So can you kind of run through like what people

576
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: can expect to encounter at these locations. This is the

577
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: great thing about the buildings up there. Everyone always has

578
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: their favorite which is different than the next person's favorite building,

579
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: and every building can run the absolute I'm at a

580
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: paranormal activity. I mean everything from full bodied apparitions to

581
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: getting touched to seeing objects move. I mean e vps

582
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: that just knock your socks off, incredible pictures, And it's

583
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: in each building, you know, and people that come up

584
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: there on a regular basis get attached to the building,

585
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: but then also to certain spirits that are in there.

586
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: The Macki Mansion has the spirit of a little girl

587
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: who's extremely playful, and whenever her spirits there, you just

588
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: feel happy. It's like this happiness just kind of comes

589
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: over you. The Washoe Club, you know, have some spirits

590
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: in there that are not always very nice, and if

591
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: they don't want you around, they definitely let you know.

592
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: And Hyper's Opera House. I remember being in there one

593
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: time and a friend of mine named John said that

594
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: the piano started playing old ragtime music and all of

595
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: our equipment just went crazy. It was like they were

596
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: so happy and just like the spirit came out in

597
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: droves to hear it. How often would you say that

598
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: these places are being investigated? You know, Virginia City is

599
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: probably one of the most popular ghost honey locations around here.

600
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I would say definitely, at least on the West coast,

601
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and it's almost every weekend. We get people that have

602
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: never done it anything like that before coming up, and

603
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: people who are very season long term paranormal investigators who

604
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: are just always up there. Yeah, exactly. You really don't

605
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get in. And again, like I

606
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: said before, it's just it is nice to have such

607
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: a concentration of different locations and a place that's really

608
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: open to its hauntings. You know, some places or tourist

609
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: attractions and really want nothing to do with their ghosts

610
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: and they don't encourage it. So now that Macki Mansion,

611
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned little Girl. The little Girl, I

612
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: had heard that Johnny Depp actually witnessed this ghost. Is

613
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: that true? That's what we hear. It's never been officially

614
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: officially confirmed. But he was up there filming the movie

615
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: called dead Man. I don't know if you've ever seen.

616
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: It's like this eclectic cowboy cotting movie. It's I do remember,

617
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a really odd movie. And um, he

618
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: was talking to locals and they told him about the

619
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: Maggie Mansion and how haunted it was, and they let

620
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: him spend the night in the room, and supposedly he

621
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: woke up to seeing the little girl sitting on his bed. Interesting.

622
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: There was something that I remember distinctly, So this was

623
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: this was way back when I first started investigating. I

624
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: don't even know if you'll remember this, but do you

625
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: remember there being this like notorious pair of boots in

626
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: the wash Show Club? I do not, Okay, perfect, So

627
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: this is this is probably a prime example of being

628
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: a very naive paranormal investigator and just believing everything anyone

629
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: told me back then. And I think we're all so

630
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: guilty of this. And so I'll never forget going up

631
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: into this room in the Washhow Club and there's this

632
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: pair of boots sitting in this room. I don't even

633
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: think we could go into the room because it wasn't

634
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: particularly safe, but the boots were there, and they were

635
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: very old boots, and everyone with me was like, years ago,

636
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: a man was shot in this room and they took

637
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: off his boots and they left them there, and those

638
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: are his boots, and you know, me just looked at

639
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: those and obviously were like all investigating around these boots.

640
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: But then like the reality never really set in for me.

641
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: How like outrageous acclaim that was like that that this

642
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: building is falling apart, all the furniture is gone, the

643
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: walls are falling down, and yet they chose to leave

644
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: this dead man's boots sitting there. So you know, this

645
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: is a perfect story that shows that there's a kernel

646
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: of truth in a legend. Right, So there was a

647
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: person who was shot upstairs in a wash up club.

648
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: His name was Scottie Um and he shot himself, and

649
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: he was very well known and very liked by the

650
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: locals and everything. So there is that possibility that they

651
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: did put a pair of boots in a room up

652
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: there to like honor his memory. Potentially, yes, for sure,

653
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: And I could see that. But I do remember just

654
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: thinking years later, like why would I just believe that?

655
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: And I just remember in the dark talking to these boots,

656
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: which if anyone watches my show Kindred Spirits. It's not

657
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: far fetched to talk to shoes, but but it was.

658
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: It was really funny, and I just I'll never forget that,

659
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: and so like, you know, not investigator Amy, you know,

660
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: twenty years later, really wants to go back to that spot,

661
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: and so hopefully I'll be able to at some point.

662
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: But that also means that at some point someone took

663
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: those boots. Those boots are somewhere, yeah, yeah, because I've

664
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: never seen a pair of boots up there. Yeah. I

665
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: mean it's been so long, I could be completely misremembering

666
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: the direction. I remember going up a set of stairs

667
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: and then on the direct left was a room and

668
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: I feel like that's where the boots were. So was

669
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: it a really big room, probably the ballroom? Maybe it

670
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: was not. It was like a small room, kind of

671
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: off to the side. And that's kind of all I remember.

672
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: But you know how like you think of these things

673
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: and you actually go back and you're like, that's not

674
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: what the setup was at all. I just completely you know,

675
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: we do have that selective memory, which you know, you

676
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: do have to really come to terms with as a

677
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator. It's you can misremember and you do misremember,

678
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: so it could be completely off base. Okay, so the

679
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: wash Show Club, like you said, it does seem to

680
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: have this kind of reputation for people being not so nice.

681
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: What happens there that makes people believe that? Well, I

682
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: witness people get scratched. I was with someone one time

683
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: and they were taking pictures and the camera that they

684
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: were using just got flung out of their hands and

685
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: smashed against the wall. E v P. S up there

686
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: can call you names, tell you to get out. I

687
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: think we need to remember we go into these places

688
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: that we're kind of going into someone's home in a way, right,

689
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: and when the spirits up there don't want to be bothered,

690
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: you physically feel that milwash Show. Yeah, I mean I

691
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: think that makes sense because you kind of feel that

692
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: with a living person in front of you, you know,

693
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: if they're putting off that vibe that they want nothing

694
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: to do with you. I do get that same feeling

695
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: sometimes when no one is there, or when I think

696
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe a spirit is present. I mean the Washaw Club historically,

697
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: obviously it started as this very kind of fancy boogie place,

698
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: and then as the silver ran out and the gold

699
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: ran out, obviously it kind of seemed like the price

700
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: to join was a lot less at that point. Do

701
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: you think that kind of affected the clientele and like

702
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: what went on there? I think so. I mean, I

703
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: think they tried to sort of keep the glory days

704
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: of the com stock for as long as they could,

705
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: and when it just kind of passed away, Yeah, I

706
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: think that they weren't getting the millionaires up there, you know,

707
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: the big players. They all had moved on at that point.

708
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember specifically, but I feel like at

709
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: that point, by the time it closed, I think the

710
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: monthly membership view was only like two dollars and seventy

711
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: five cents or something, down from a much more substantial

712
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: amount than that. Now, Piper's Opera House I always find

713
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: or Piper Pipers or Piper Piper's. So Piper's Opera House,

714
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that, you know, like you think about Tombstone,

715
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: for example, and their Birdcage theater kind of became this

716
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: like really debaucherous theater, but Pipers didn't. It never really

717
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: became that way, did. I mean, I did have a

718
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: bar attached to it, you know, it didn't. Piper's was

719
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: always really classy with the plays they put up me

720
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: and they had some of the biggest actors in the

721
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: world at that time that we're performing on that stage.

722
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: And you know our twin when he came back to

723
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: Virginia City, he gave his lecture on that stage. So yeah,

724
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: it was it was not like a dance hall or

725
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. It was much higher class than that.

726
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: So who do you think is haunting Pipers? Supposedly John

727
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Piper himself haunts the place. People have seen him staring

728
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: out the windows and also have seen him up in

729
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: the balconies. There's also a spirit of a lady who's

730
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: usually seen when a performance is going on. We figured

731
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: she was probably one of the actresses that came out

732
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: that way. And then supposedly there's also the spirit of

733
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: a of a child that's only seen backstage and usually

734
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: only seen by other kids. Okay, I mean that's interesting.

735
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: It's it's hard always to figure out, you know, the

736
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: ghosts of children who they could be, just because they

737
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't really document the deaths of kids as often, but

738
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: unfortunately they passed away quite often back then. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

739
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: And have you have been able to find any like

740
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: documented deaths and Pipers or anything or any other like

741
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I was looking through the history

742
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: and there's no town legends about murders or deaths and

743
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: fires connected to the opera house. But have you found

744
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: anything I haven't. I know, there's one story going around

745
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: that someone was hung from the rafters by the six

746
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: oh one, which was a vigilante group, and I've never

747
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: found any historical document to back that up. One of

748
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the biggest problems with Virginia City is after eighteen seventy five,

749
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: when with the Great Fire happened, a lot of the

750
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: documents were destroyed, right. I could see that as I

751
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: was kind of going through the history. It was really

752
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: interesting to see how many places, you know, as they

753
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of dug or started to renovate a lot later,

754
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: would find evidence of the original buildings, even especially like

755
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: underground I think Pipers there is something kind of like

756
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: that there as well. Is there anything that you can

757
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: investigate that's kind of near to some of the more

758
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: original parts of that structure. Not really. There's an area

759
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: downstairs in the back where the bar is where they

760
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: had at one point. We're kind of digging things out

761
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: a little bit and finding some interesting stuff from the

762
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: original building that was there, but there's nothing left of

763
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: the original original you know, it was burned down, you know,

764
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: and then Pipers I think this is what his third

765
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: or fourth opera house he had built in Virginia City

766
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: by that time. Yes, so the current one dates eighty five,

767
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: which that's still pretty old. Yeah, definitely, especially for Califor

768
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say California, but for the

769
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: West coast. Now. I have read somewhere that the facade

770
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: the front though, was older than that. Is that accurate

771
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: or not that I know of? Um, I think it

772
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: was in the nineteen oh I'm probably gonna get this

773
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: date wrong. I don't even work the forties, maybe fifties.

774
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Hyper's great granddaughter tried to restore it and bring it

775
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: back and then it kind of sat pretty vacant for

776
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: a while and they did a mass renovation on it

777
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: and really brought it back to life. And it's I mean,

778
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: it's just so beautiful inside there where you go up

779
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: to where the theater is and you just really feel

780
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: like you're standing in history. Yeah. I think that is

781
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of the case with the entire town, and I

782
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: think that's probably why it's haunted or a big part

783
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: of it. I think that when you have these spots

784
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily change, it stays familiar to these ghosts

785
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: and comfortable. And again that's complete speculation on my part,

786
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: but I just I kind of feel that sometimes. And

787
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: I know we've gone through those kind of three key hauntings,

788
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: But are there any other areas in town that you

789
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: think are either kind of underrated when it comes to

790
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: ghosts or areas people just might want to check out

791
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: if they're able to investigate. One of my favorite buildings

792
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: up there is the Night's Epatheist Building. It's not open

793
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: to the general public, but during certain conventions and stuff,

794
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: they're able to get that location to do investing nations in.

795
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: And that's probably between the Washoe Club and the Knights

796
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: of Patheist as far as hauntings go, that's those are

797
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: my favorite places. I think you get the most out

798
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: of them. And so what is the history of that

799
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: building and what do people experience there? With the Knights

800
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: of Patheis you get personal stuff happening. You don't really

801
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: get like a lot of the e v p s

802
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But there's an area on the

803
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: second floor where there used to be a kitchen, and

804
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: we would have people stand in a certain area in

805
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: a line and just have them stand as still as possible,

806
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: and without even realized they were doing it, they would

807
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: start swaying back and forth. Oh strange, and it would

808
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: affect people. I was up there one time and I

809
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: was standing at the entrance to the kitchen and my

810
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: daughter was back there having people, you know, do the

811
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: swaying thing. We call it the vortex for lack of

812
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: a better word. And this guy comes out. He was

813
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: over six ft tall, he was a marine. He stops

814
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: in front of me and he looks at me and

815
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: then just drops to the ground. Oh no, And we

816
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: had to help him out of the building. As soon

817
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: as he got out of the building, he was perfectly fine.

818
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: I know seasoned investigators who have been doing ghost hunting

819
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: for years and years and years who don't like going

820
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: upstairs because of how the building will can physically affect you.

821
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: That's straight. Is it like uneven or anything? Is the

822
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: floor of you know, sometimes you go into those places,

823
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: especially older buildings, and it kind of catches you off guard. Yeah,

824
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: it's like that fun house effect. Yeah it's not. And

825
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've delled into the history with the Knights Epitheist,

826
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: and I can't find anything. You know, no murders up there,

827
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: nobody died up there, nothing like that. But for some reason,

828
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: there is something up there in that building, and when

829
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: it decides to make its presence, no, it gets to you,

830
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: gets to you big time. I'll to check that out

831
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: on my next visit. I don't know that I've ever

832
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: been there, but I have been in a lot of

833
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: buildings there though that I don't know, are regularly and

834
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: to the public, so maybe it's a place I'll recognize.

835
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: So what about mines, Are there any minds people can

836
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: go into that are rumored to be haunted or are

837
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: they mostly all closed off? There's still the Collar mine

838
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: that you can go into, and that one has its hauntings.

839
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: It's not one I like going into because I'm very

840
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: claused bobic me too. I feel you do not want

841
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: to go in there now. It's the worst, yeah, but

842
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: it gives you a feel of what it was like

843
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: for those miners back in the day that had to

844
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: do that all the time. And it's you know, it's

845
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: not pleasant, no it It honestly sounds like the absolute

846
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: worst line of work to me, like I read the

847
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: stories of miners and I get like a tightness in

848
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: my chest, like saying, the idea of that is so terrifying.

849
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: And then some of the things they went through, even

850
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: in Virginia City, just like the working conditions, and I

851
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: was reading that, you know, sometimes they would get caught

852
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: up in legal matters and they would literally lock miners

853
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: into the mine until it was settled. And I mean,

854
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: just just full to think about. To me, that's one

855
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think Virginia City is also really haunted,

856
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: is you know, these miners when they died in the

857
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: minds it was a horrible depth and to be trapped

858
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: three thousand feet below ground knowing that you're not going

859
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: to get out or there's no way out, and basically

860
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: they died in terror and in darkness and alone and

861
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: knowing there's no way that anyone could save them, and

862
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: probably not really feeling like much of a priority to

863
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: save you know, they didn't really have OSHA back then.

864
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: They didn't really take care of them as they should have.

865
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: And whenever I read about the history of not just

866
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: Virginia City mines, but any mining town, the actual miners

867
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: while many of them did well. A lot of them

868
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: were just very overlooked and treated terribly well. Yes and no.

869
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean we did have the highest paid miners in

870
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: the world at that time, and we did have the

871
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: most state of the art equipment for mining at that time,

872
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: so that was really good. But at the same time,

873
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: money was always going to be the them Lyne, right,

874
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: and you're right that the lives of the miners were

875
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: a second thought when it came down to, you know,

876
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: what are we going to make out of this mine?

877
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: Now unrelated and not a source of any hauntings that

878
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I have seen, but I just was kind of fascinated

879
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: by her story. Are you familiar with Julia Billett at all?

880
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: I am. I just find her story to be, like

881
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: I said, very just fascinating. And I was not aware

882
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: of her until I started really digging into the history

883
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: of Virginia City. And have you ever encountered any hauntings

884
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: that you think maybe associated with her? Because if there

885
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: was ever someone who was going to haunt a place,

886
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I feel like she would be a per the person. Yep.

887
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: We do stop at the sight of Julia's cabin on

888
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: our ghost tour, and she doesn't always come out to

889
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: interact with us. But there are times when she does

890
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: and we'll have the kids. You meet her out and

891
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: we'll usually have a gentleman and that's all to her.

892
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: Hold it because she likes talking to the men, and

893
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: she'll make that meter light up in response to questions

894
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: that we're asking her. We've had people get some really

895
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: odd photos on that spot during the tour, So I

896
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: believe that she is there definitely. And her history. You

897
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: gotta be careful with Julie because of the stuff you

898
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: read about her on the internet. It's not true. Oh

899
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: that's good to know, but her her history is still

900
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: a fascinating one. So what would you say, is like

901
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest bit of misinformation about her that's out there,

902
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: She was not rich. She did not own a brothel

903
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: or a house. Julius Palace, I think is what they

904
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: called it. That's not true. She was a middle class prostitute.

905
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: She actually did die in Debt, but she was very

906
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: well loved in that town. And I think the person

907
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: they hung for her murder was not the person who

908
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: killed her. Oh okay, well these are good things to know,

909
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: so you know, if if there's anything like I always say,

910
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: it got a very hard to prove, but we can

911
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: at least work our best to get history accurate. And

912
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: she's just such an interesting character. I wanted to bring

913
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: her up. Are there any other hauntings in town that

914
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: you think we need to mention? I mean, I feel

915
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: like there's so many, and so there is a Probably

916
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: my favorite spirit in Virginia City is Peter Larkin. He's

917
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: the most interactive, at least for us. We stopped behind

918
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: the courthouse to talk to him, and he usually comes

919
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: out and speaks to us through e VPS or through

920
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: the sp seven probably eight out of ten times. And

921
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: we've heard him on many many occasions make really clear sentences.

922
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: And he was hung back there, and I've also he

923
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: was another one I believe was innocent. But he's my

924
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: favorite spirit just because he interacts with us so often.

925
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: And so what was his story? How did who was he?

926
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: He owned like a bar and a brothel in Virginia City,

927
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend owned want to Saint a saloon right

928
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: next door to his, And he ended up breaking up

929
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend and she got a new boyfriend, and

930
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: his bedroom window looked right into their bedroom window, and

931
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: she accused him of shooting and killing her new boyfriend.

932
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: And even though Peter was very popular in town, he

933
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: was very well respected. This was right after the Great

934
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: Fire had happened, and the people, the powers that be

935
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: in Virginia City really wanted to clean the town up,

936
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: and so unfortunately, they decided to make Peter an example.

937
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: And so even though all the evidence was circumstantial, they

938
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: still hung him. Wow, scandalous, So real quick, because I

939
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: have to revisit these moments from my childhood. So what

940
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: is the suicide table and is it still there? And

941
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: how much truth is there to it? The suicide table

942
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: is still there. It's in the delta. It's a Pharaoh table,

943
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: and Pharaoh was like the big card gambling game of

944
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the day back then. And the story is that there

945
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: have been a couple of men who have lost all

946
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: their fortune on that table and then took their own

947
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: lives after that happened. Is there truth to it? There?

948
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: Probably is that Colonel of truth somewhere in there about that.

949
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: It's been up there for as long as I can remember. Yeah,

950
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: I remembered um just being completely fascinated with it as

951
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: a child. I mean, I mean, there is a lot

952
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: of build up, like you drive up and you know,

953
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: there's like I feel like twenty signs. Yes, it was

954
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: a table. Uh. And then of course there's the Bucket

955
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: of Blood Saloon. So what is the Bucket of Blood Saloon?

956
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: And how did it get that name. It's a great

957
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: saloon to go into. It's a lot of fun in there.

958
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: The name supposedly comes from back in the day that

959
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: there were so many gunfights in Virginia City that they

960
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: had to mop up a buckets worth blood every day.

961
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh see, I didn't know that. I just accepted that

962
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: name with no explanation. So it's nice to know. Tell

963
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: us a little bit about how people can find you

964
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: and what you're up to, and if they want to

965
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: visit where they need to go, they can find us

966
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: through our website, Virginia City Ghost Tours dot com. And

967
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: we are currently down for the wintertime because it's too

968
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: much snow and it's really cool to be walking around

969
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: there at night right now, but we hope to be

970
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: back up and running March. You're April, depending on the weather,

971
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: and we'll be running tours every Friday and Saturday for sure.

972
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: And they can go to our website and make reservations

973
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: and or send us an email if they have questions,

974
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: and it's about an hour outdoor walking tour. We'll tell

975
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: you all about the great history up there, and then

976
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: also about all the ghostly legends. Thank you so much.

977
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, know, your dedication to history and

978
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: keeping it real, but also just finding the kind of

979
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: magic in a place like Virginia City and respecting that.

980
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. I appreciate you taking the time

981
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: to talk with me today. And I'm going to be

982
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: visiting very soon, at least by this summer. I've definitely

983
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: got to pop in. So well, we hope you come

984
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: back up to Virginia City. Will be more than happy

985
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: to show you around. Alright, fabulous, Well, thank you so much.

986
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you. Of course, Virginia City is

987
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: a gem of a mining town, just waiting for you

988
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: to pay it a visit. I have to tell you, though,

989
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: as a child, so many many years ago, I remember

990
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: paying a dollar to pan for gold in an old

991
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: sluice mining operations someone had set up off the main street.

992
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: As I looked at the weathered older gentleman who helped

993
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: me sift through sand and water to find little specks

994
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: of fool's gold that he would later put in a

995
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: tiny vial of water for me to take home. My

996
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: mind just assumed he was a miner who had been

997
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: there for a hundred years or more. He seemed such

998
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: a part of the town, and wearing a be draggled

999
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: leather hat, lo t shirt and brown canvas overalls, he

1000
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: looked the part of the town. It didn't even cross

1001
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: my mind that he hadn't been there since well forever.

1002
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: Except now when I think back to that moment, I

1003
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder if, maybe, just maybe I was right.

1004
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,480
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1005
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: much for listening to our season two premiere of Haunted Road.

1006
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
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