WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Strange Death of Zigmund Adamski 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by otters swimming 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.360 around in pools of cool whip. Instead, it's brought to 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:11.440 you by you meeting us who if you are in 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.280 the Portland metro area or can be in the Portland 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.279 metro area, We're going to do a meet up on 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:22.600 October in the Portland metro area, actually in Portland World. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.959 We don't have any details yet, so check Facebook or 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.880 Reddit or Twitter for details to our cup because we 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.760 need to know how many people are coming. We hope 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.239 to see you and meet you on the fourteenth. Bye, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:58.480 think ye hi there. Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:04.600 I'm Jill Mind as always by Devon and Steve. Okay, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.800 we almost said Joe. For some reason, you're looking at him. 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.880 It's hard to keep you know. I have a hard 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.720 enough time with my regular name. We're just gonna go 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.319 by numbers starting next week, but I'm seventeen. Yeah. For 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.039 this week, I'm still Joe. Uh. And we've got a 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.440 mystery for you, believe it or not. We're gonna talk 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.160 about a strange death a guy named Sigmund Adomski happened 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.320 in England thirty seven years ago, and if you're listening 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.240 in the year fifty, Well you do the math. This 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.280 is before you go any further, though, I'd like to 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.760 get a shout out to our listener Savannah, who suggested 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.680 this about a year and a half two and a 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.920 half years ago. Actually that's been a while. Sorry, Savanna. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.800 I hope you're still alive, but if you are, you know, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.240 hey shut up. Also, I had tip to Robin Wardour 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.280 over at the Trail Went Cold, because he used to 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.400 write for Cracked, and he wrote an article about this. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.720 Particular little mystery was that Robin's I didn't I so 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.360 rarely read the art the Actually I don't know if 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.840 you noticed this about Cracked, but they put the author's 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.640 name is very very tiny font that he explained why 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:12.239 you never noticed it probably? Yeah, Well back to our story. Uh, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.840 the year was nine sigma. Dodowski was an immigrant from 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.520 Poland who lived as his wife Lottie in the village 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.919 of Tingley, England. Um, and I'm pretty sure I'm pronouncing 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.359 that correctly because I've seen various videos, interviews stuff like that. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.840 I first assumed it was Tingley, because who the hell 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:33.160 would name their town Tingley? Apish? So anyway, now, that 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.280 we've gotten hate mails started. It's a Tingley is in 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.760 West Yorkshire. I'm sure you all know where that is, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.400 but if you don't, it's about halfway between London and 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.799 the Scottish border, the northern part of the country. Yeah. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.640 Sigmund worked as a coal miner in the Lofthouse Collier Repit, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.200 which is a fancy term for a coal mine. The 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.040 mine was about two miles east of Tingley, and Sigmund 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.880 had been married to his wife, Lottie for I'm not 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.120 really sure. I've heard various stories about they met in 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.640 Poland and emigrated together or he met her here, and 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.560 we don't really care more, we don't really know. We 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.600 don't know, and it's not really that relevant to our 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.200 story anyway. Was exactly when he came here, when they 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.919 met more than like a year, yeah, more than a year. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.120 They were not nearly webs No, No, I don't know. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.400 I think that would be an interesting point if they 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.919 were newly weds, but we don't really care or not. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.600 She would obviously be the murderer. Yeah, but well, yeah, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.560 I know, I don't know her age, but I do 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.799 know that he was fifty six. It's happened so probably 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.440 married a long time, probably, I'm guessing, and also a lotty. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.400 His wife had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, sadly, and 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.040 by nine here condition was deteriorating, so much so that 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.640 Sigment had applied for early retirement from the mind so 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.000 that he could care for her full time. And apparently 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.840 his request was turned down, which is ironic because that 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.320 mine was closed down about a year later. Yeah, as 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.320 with a bunch of government processes like that are industries. Yeah, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.440 and maybe that was it. They might have even known 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.400 about it and just he just just and sayd hey, 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.920 you guys, you know you're gonna close down anyway. Why 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.280 don't you let me go early? I don't know, but 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.840 you probably didn't have to pay his pension if they 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:12.600 just closed down. I I assumed. I don't know. It's 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.160 hard to say. I think that. I think these were 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.440 union jobs. I think the pension was there no matter what. Yeah, 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.839 so I don't think they were. I don't think they were. Actually, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.120 that's why, because there's there's social assistance. But when all 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.719 of those minds shut down, remember all the strife that 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.600 happened in England for about a good decade or two 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.520 because of all of that industry that moved and people 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.200 just got left in the lurch. So I don't think 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.760 it's actually was actually a guarantee, but I don't know. Well, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.080 luckily for Sigmund, he didn't need to find it. Okay, 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.960 silver lining everything right. So on Saturday, June seventh night, 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.440 Sigmund was supposed to be on a wedding his daughter. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.159 His goddaughter was getting married and he was the one 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:58.720 who was going to give the bride away. So that 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.760 was going to be a big day. Yeah, special. But 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.760 the day before, Friday, June six, um, something happened. First, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.000 they had some family members who were in town for 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.159 the wedding. They had him over and his wife did 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.440 and had him over for lunch, and then after lunch 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.920 he excused himself around three thirty pm left his house 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.680 in Tingly Too. He said, go buy some groceries, ostensibly 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:25.600 ostensibly thank you, yeah, exactly, it's there for you. And 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.320 Sigmund never came back. He passed a neighbor on the 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.200 way and said if he were was to him. So 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.000 apparently that neighbor, whose name, of course is unknown. There's 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.080 a lot of unknown people story. Yeah, he was the 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.400 last known person to see sig alive. This unknown person 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.280 was the last known person yea unknown, Yes exactly. He's 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.479 an unknown known it's a very unspecific specific content, yeah exactly. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.560 And leaving the house and not coming back was kind 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.599 of unusual behavior for Sigmund, who wasn't noted for going 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.320 off on benders. Uh, everybody knew him, said he was 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.080 a regular guy, likable, very dependable, and just an all 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.000 around solid human being. Not the kind of guy to 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.520 just go flittering off and leaving his wife. So it 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.840 was unusual, and so of course, and it was also 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.200 unusual because his wife did have an ass and she 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.960 kind of needed care. So he wasn't the kind of 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.760 guy that was just going to take off and her 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.119 in the lurch. And so Lotti and the family figured 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.680 something must be up and reported in missing to police. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.040 And I don't know how much of a search there 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.760 was for Sigmund. I think probably mostly it was kind 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.160 of an app kind of situation. The officers were told 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.039 to be on the lookout for him, but I don't 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.400 think they were really beating the bushes looking really hard 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.560 six year old immigrant. I doubt they were too awful concerned. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.240 It's not quite the same as one of seven year 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.440 old kid gets lost, right for a pretty young girl? Exactly, Yeah, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.400 what was the thing I saw? Sorry, it's a bit 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.960 of a I thought there was something girl syndrome. No, no, no, 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.960 it was somebody, you know, saying to their friend like, hey, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.000 I just I wish I was pretty, And they said, well, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.560 go missing, because I've never heard of a girl who's 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.239 missing who hasn't been a beautiful or pretty young girl. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.080 So good point. He was not a pretty young grob. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.320 Maybe he would have. I don't know that. I've seen 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.359 pictures of them, but they're they're kind of low rest, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.840 so it's hard to say. And as far as police action, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.480 I'm not sure how how really in depth the investigation was, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.640 because and they might have actually gone into a quite 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.080 huge depth, but unfortunately we don't have any access to 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.000 the records because apparently it's still considered an open case. Yeah, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.800 and so there were some there arevents, some people that 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.800 have tried to investigate this a little more carefully in 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.800 the police have basically said, hey, you know, you gotta 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.080 talk to the corner's office. They have all the records, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.640 and then they go to the corner's office to corner's officers. Well, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.080 these are kind of like public records, but you're not 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.120 actually what we would consider to be an interested party, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.160 so you can't see them that phrase. It's just so 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.000 so well to fight. Oh you're not an interested party 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.440 is and you have an official interest in this story, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:56.240 so exactly. I mean, obviously they were interested by definition 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.000 that we're interested parties, but not by the government definition. Uh. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.520 And the press also at the time did not get 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.360 too terribly interested in this until almost a year later, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.720 and for reasons we're going to talk about. But it 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.160 did become a thing eventually. The search ended for six 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.320 five days later on June eleven, when his body was 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.800 found in the town of todd Morton, which is about 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.240 twenty miles west of Tingley. Uh. And you can find 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.840 it on of course the areal if you look on 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.960 the internet. And the body was laying face down, and 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.840 there are cats to say it was face up, but 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.320 I have reason to believe it was laying actually face down. Yeah, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.680 but it was like yeah, good point. Uh. So the 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.000 body was faced down on top of a large stack 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.480 of anthracite coal in a coal yard next to the 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.480 todd Morton train station by the way that that coal 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.560 was in nuggets. It was basically briquettes. Yeah. Small, it 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.959 was man formed nuggets. Yeah. Not ye, not big fist 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.880 sized chunk or raw you know, dust and powder kind 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.880 of it was. It was something that has been formed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.600 Because I saw a lot of questioning online and things 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.720 with people saying stuff, and I was like, you guys 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.280 didn't obviously understand what kind of coal this was or 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.000 else all of this questioning wouldn't make sense. So that's 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.040 why I wanted to make sure we brought we pointed 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.439 that out. Okay, And that is a good point, by 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.160 the way, because yeah, I mean I pilot coal could 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.520 mean anything. It could be piles of chunks of coal 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.960 the size of your head and dust between grains of 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.000 size of peace or who knows. Yeah, so son, the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.400 other units of measurements you want to call it there? Yeah, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:34.120 kilometers yeah, okay, yeah, So back to the Todd Morton 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.360 train station. Uh, this coal yard was right next to 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.040 the station. If you look at the if you look 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.720 at the area view and the webs, you can find 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.440 the train station pretty easily. It's just to the west 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.320 of the A six Highway and according to the best 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.320 information I can find, the coal yard was just to 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.880 the southwest, right next to the trail and the train tracks. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.040 And wait, let me guess it's not there anymore. No, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.240 it's not because, yeah, coal is not quite so popular 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.960 these days. Don't ask me why, but it's not. It 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:08.000 looks like there's a car park there now, yeah, exactly. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.840 But the pile of coal was reportedly about twelve feet high, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.040 and Sigmund was on or near the top of the pile. Son, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.160 he was up there a little ways. So the question, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.520 the question our mystery, and well what was Sigmund doing 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.840 in the coal yard? And Todd Morten he had no 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.960 friends in that town, had no other business there that 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.960 anybody knew about. And another question is, well why was 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.040 he dead? Then? Where had he been for five days? 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.640 Big questions that not have that have not been answered yet. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.280 The coal yard at that time was being run by 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.360 a guy named Trevor Parker, who was the son of 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.240 the owner. And he said he had been there in 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.280 the morning till about eleven am. I think he left 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.199 to do deliveries. And he when he left, he closed 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.880 and locked the gates, and when he came back at 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.240 three pm, well he found a body laying on top 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.800 of a pile of coal. He called the ambulance and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.680 called police. Well, he never actually went up to the body. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.120 I don't know. He was not sure that it was 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:06.160 somebody dead or somebody He was taken as a passed 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.160 out drunk or something like that. I think that's what 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.400 you know, or a mannequin. You hope it's a drunk 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.920 person or a mannequin, and just called yeah and then 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.559 he um, So he called an ambulance in the police. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.960 Apparently the ambulance got there first, and that's why it 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.520 appears to me the body was faced down the ambulants 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.160 guys got there. The police. The statement by one of 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.440 the policemen said, well, he was laying face up, but 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.319 he had cold dust on his face. So it appears 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.679 that the ambulance, the ambulance guys actually turned him over 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.719 the police. And yeah, you would of course, and the 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.400 police show up while he's laying face up, but yeah, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.400 he was faced down. I think. So we got a body. Uh. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.240 The interesting thing. One of the interesting things is there 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.800 didn't appear to be marks in the coal from his feet, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.280 like from climbing up the pile at least as one 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.959 of the Yeah, one of the constables who was there 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.760 that day was quoted as saying that he said it 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.040 was undisturbed. There were no signs that anybody had climbed 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.000 up or down. It. Uh. Just led to some speculation 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.400 later that Sigmund had been dropped on the coal pile 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:11.960 by a UFO. I'll dispute that later. Wait, okay, Uh. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.720 And of course another reason for this UFO speculation was 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.760 that the constable I just mentioned was named Alan Godfrey, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.480 who was involved in the Todd Warden UFO incident about 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.959 five months later. That is, uh kind of a famous 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.160 or semi famous at least UFO mystery. Yeah, yeah, it 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.120 is well known. Uh. It's funny how like whenever police 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.760 are involved in the UFO mystery, suddenly it becomes like 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:38.079 very credible. Huh yeah, yeah, I know. Well actually Godfrey, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.640 Godfred doesn't seem like a total total nutcase to be honest. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.040 But anyway, enough about the Todd Warden UFO incident. Uh. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.160 That's how the story finally got to the front pages. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.640 It was months after Sigmund died suddenly, but suddenly some 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.120 newspaper guys suddenly put the two together. They realized Oh 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.760 my god, the policeman had been there at the coal yard, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.920 and then he has this encounter. There must be a 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.640 connection and so and so, all of a sudden, there 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.600 was all this speculation in the tabloids that Sigmund was 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.240 abducted by the aliens and then who and then died 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.000 and the aliens dropped him on the coal pile. Yeah, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.560 and then we'll talk decited to track them, because you know, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.720 aliens are just weirdly, they just follow people like that. Okay, yeah, sure, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.600 something like that. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about Yeah, we'll 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:27.920 talk about that a little more. That is one of 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.640 the theories out there though about the UFO abduction, and 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.640 that's why he disappeared for five days. Um. Personally, I 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.040 think that the fact that a guy vanishes turns up 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.000 five days later in a coal yard that he should 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.439 not have been in, uh, in a town he had 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.000 no business being in, on top of a coal pile 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.680 that he had no reason to climb to the top of, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.400 and then debt of apparently natural causes. To me, that's 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.880 actually a pretty interesting story in and of itself. It's 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.479 pretty weird, don't you think. Yeah, and even without the UFOs, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.800 well then the UFO bid feels tacked on. So it's like, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.280 how how did this not make the papers prior to this? Yeah? Yeah, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:01.880 well I'm sure it made the papers in some way, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.800 but it really seems like it needed the UFO angle 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.200 before it got legs, I think. And the problem with 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.920 the way the press were investigated this, I think is 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.760 that they it seems like they only really want to 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.000 at it from the UFO angle instead of like, you know, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.679 going on interviewing family members and trying to find out 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.480 if maybe there was somebody out there with the grudge 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.960 investigative report, Yeah, doing that kind of thing. Yeah, I know, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.000 I'm sure the police did some investigating that on that score. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.080 But you know, of course, as you know has already said, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.320 their records are kind of closed, so because it's an 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.920 open case. And that's why when we talk about this mystery, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.760 there's so many people like us an unknown person said this, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.720 but his name is unknown or etcetera. But let's go 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.440 back to our dead body. Um, according to the accounts 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.800 I've seen, uh Sigma's close, we're actually in good conditions, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.320 so they weren't filthy, so he wasn't sleeping the gutters 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.440 for the five days that he was missing, his wallet 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.360 and watch were missing. Uh, and I'm sure it was gone. Also, Yeah, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.080 his trousers had apparently been incorrectly buttoned, which makes you 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.560 wonder if somebody dressed him after death, presuming by shirt 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.320 you mean his collared shirt. Yeah, he had a rest on. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.480 so not a T shirt but his Did he have 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.760 an actual vest on or did he have a British 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.840 vest on? His string string vest on? Yeah, whatever that is, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.480 it's like a spring bikini maybe. Well, I was just 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.480 going to say, because I like, in British terms of 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.480 vest is actually an undershirt and then you know what 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.840 we call vest is like the is like the undercoat. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.040 I don't remember what they call it. Yeah, waistcoat could 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.960 have been that. Yeah, just about all the sources I've 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.760 seen for this our bredy so and I always do 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.920 have a little bit of a problem with that. I'm 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.160 starting to figure out that, you know, honey, bucket means toilet. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.600 Well that's problem is that there's no photos of the body. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.240 The photos you will see online re enactments, Yeah, but 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.000 on the BBC, I think there was somebody like that, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.000 those aren't really the body. Okay, So I'm sorry, I interrupted. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.000 Did you so you're talking about his pants? Uh? Yeah, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.480 the pants were incorrectly buttoned. Uh. There were other counts 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.320 out there, by the way, to say his jacket was 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.800 buttoned wrong, that his pants were unzipped. So as always 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.000 conflicting accounts. Uh, you know, top side again, wearing a 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.360 vest and a jacket. There were no bruises, cuts, or contusions. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.840 It did not appear that he had been in a 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.480 struggle with anybody. He wasn't strangled or beaten to death 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.360 or anything like that. Also, the corner reported it looked 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.760 like he had shaved within the past day. Uh. And 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.800 most interestingly, he had some strange burns on the back 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.880 of his neck and his shoulders. Burns had a kind 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.080 of greenish ointment on them which was never identified. So 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.160 it wasn't just Alivera, because Olivera tends to be kind 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.600 of a weird greenish ointment. Well, I don't know how 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.080 hard they tried to figure out what it was. Yeah, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:54.040 it was it was probably that that do from Ghostbusters. Yeah. Uh. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.080 There was an autopsy done that very evening. The corner 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.080 concluded the time of death was between eleven am in 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.480 one pm that same day, the eleventh of June. So 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.800 that means if Trevor Parker left the coal yard at 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:10.320 eleven that morning, sometimes very shortly after that, Sigmund Dodowski 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.399 wandered into the art and died of natural causes on 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.959 top of that coal pile, or he was murdered and 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.080 brought to the yard and left there, or maybe died 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.280 and brought to the yard and left there. Those are 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:27.159 kind of our options or UFO there. Yeah, he was 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.080 also you maybe. Uh. Corner also determined that the burns 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.080 on Siegmund's neck and shoulders were about two days old, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.440 because you know, you know, you guys know, you guys 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.440 have been burned, you know what that's like. They started 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.399 looking kind of pink and fresh, and then the kind 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.800 of gnarly two days later, you know exactly. Uh, but well, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.040 because because of that, police checked hospitals, emergency rooms clinics 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.480 in the area to see if he'd been treated for 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.719 the burns, and they found nothing. And the burns were 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.880 also unique in that they were well defined, so it's 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.080 more like contact burns and burns from an open flame, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.879 you know what I'm saying. They weren't amorphous, yeah, what 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.400 sheep were? They They were kind of I think kind 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.439 of rectangular circular, Well, I mean they were, they were roundish, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.879 but I I thought that they were kind of like 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.560 hot dog shaped, But I could be wrong. And so 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.440 you heard third, I mean I've heard. I got yeah, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.359 I got the impression that they were circular from the 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.159 stuff that I read, but I would but again, I 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.639 never seen a photo of it. Conflicting information. But the 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.520 burns seem to be confirmed though, I mean they that 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.359 they definitely are confirmed. How they How you know the 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.040 shape of the burns and what caused the burns? Was 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.240 it flame? Was it acid? Well, that's still up in 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.200 the air. And there there's a there are a few 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.160 theories out there about the burns, which we'll talk about. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.960 And police did find in the course of their investigations 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.120 that Sigma had been getting what are called moxibustion treatments 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.400 from an acupuncturist. Yeah. I never had these in balls, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.400 putting a cotton ball soaked in alcohol into a small 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.240 glass jar or a bamboo cup, putting the jar on 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.359 the skin and lighting the band and lighting the alcohol. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:03.520 And I guess it's supposed to be a treatment for 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.960 rheumatism and some other ailments. This is one of those crazy, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.040 crazy treatments. It's like, there's that that weird treatment for 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.439 when you've got stuff in your ear and they have 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.760 the little cone, they have the cone that they stick 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.280 in your ear and then you light the cone of 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.359 the paper cone on fire and the heat is supposed 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.160 to draw everything out. Like this is that same kind 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.480 of How the hell did you think that worked kind 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.359 of treatment? Yeah? I don't know. It could just be 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.399 like it a little bit of heats to something, so 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.920 kind of it kind of makes it feel temporarily better, 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:39.800 you know. That's I mean, that's why eventually, that's why 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.119 they came out out with the idea of bleeding people 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.960 because it actually short term produce good results because you 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.040 drain a bunch of blood out of somebody feels kind 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.240 of lightheaded and kind of high. Yo is that the 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.600 right word. I don't know except that one. And that's 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.639 good enough for me. But but you know, and so 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.359 people will go, yeah, wow, I feel kind of high. Yeah, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.959 your blood pressures drop. Yeah, we're just out of it. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.560 And so they started thinking, hey, that's drained blood out 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.280 of them. That will make them better. And so yeah, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.800 it's it's hard to say how many people died from 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.320 getting bled, like, I mean, there's a theory after that. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.679 George Washington was killed by his doctor because yeah, he 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.679 was sick, and the doctors just kept taking blood and 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.040 taking blood and taking blood. I have no idea how 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.960 much he had left in and by the time he passed. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.800 But yeah, heat is good for him, but he is good. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.400 But it's a temporary kind of fixed. I think. Yeah, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.320 you like heat up to relax the muscles, to treat 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.360 them oftentimes, right, it's not like we'll put some heat 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.800 on it and then magically you're cured. Like haired muscles 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.800