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Speaker 1: I'm Jill Mind as always by Devon and Steve. Okay,
Speaker 1: we almost said Joe. For some reason, you're looking at him.
Speaker 1: It's hard to keep you know. I have a hard
Speaker 1: enough time with my regular name. We're just gonna go
Speaker 1: by numbers starting next week, but I'm seventeen. Yeah. For
Speaker 1: this week, I'm still Joe. Uh. And we've got a
Speaker 1: mystery for you, believe it or not. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about a strange death a guy named Sigmund Adomski happened
Speaker 1: in England thirty seven years ago, and if you're listening
Speaker 1: in the year fifty, Well you do the math. This
Speaker 1: is before you go any further, though, I'd like to
Speaker 1: get a shout out to our listener Savannah, who suggested
Speaker 1: this about a year and a half two and a
Speaker 1: half years ago. Actually that's been a while. Sorry, Savanna.
Speaker 1: I hope you're still alive, but if you are, you know,
Speaker 1: hey shut up. Also, I had tip to Robin Wardour
Speaker 1: over at the Trail Went Cold, because he used to
Speaker 1: write for Cracked, and he wrote an article about this.
Speaker 1: Particular little mystery was that Robin's I didn't I so
Speaker 1: rarely read the art the Actually I don't know if
Speaker 1: you noticed this about Cracked, but they put the author's
Speaker 1: name is very very tiny font that he explained why
Speaker 1: you never noticed it probably? Yeah, Well back to our story. Uh,
Speaker 1: the year was nine sigma. Dodowski was an immigrant from
Speaker 1: Poland who lived as his wife Lottie in the village
Speaker 1: of Tingley, England. Um, and I'm pretty sure I'm pronouncing
Speaker 1: that correctly because I've seen various videos, interviews stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I first assumed it was Tingley, because who the hell
Speaker 1: would name their town Tingley? Apish? So anyway, now, that
Speaker 1: we've gotten hate mails started. It's a Tingley is in
Speaker 1: West Yorkshire. I'm sure you all know where that is,
Speaker 1: but if you don't, it's about halfway between London and
Speaker 1: the Scottish border, the northern part of the country. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sigmund worked as a coal miner in the Lofthouse Collier Repit,
Speaker 1: which is a fancy term for a coal mine. The
Speaker 1: mine was about two miles east of Tingley, and Sigmund
Speaker 1: had been married to his wife, Lottie for I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure. I've heard various stories about they met in
Speaker 1: Poland and emigrated together or he met her here, and
Speaker 1: we don't really care more, we don't really know. We
Speaker 1: don't know, and it's not really that relevant to our
Speaker 1: story anyway. Was exactly when he came here, when they
Speaker 1: met more than like a year, yeah, more than a year.
Speaker 1: They were not nearly webs No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that would be an interesting point if they
Speaker 1: were newly weds, but we don't really care or not.
Speaker 1: She would obviously be the murderer. Yeah, but well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know her age, but I do
Speaker 1: know that he was fifty six. It's happened so probably
Speaker 1: married a long time, probably, I'm guessing, and also a lotty.
Speaker 1: His wife had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, sadly, and
Speaker 1: by nine here condition was deteriorating, so much so that
Speaker 1: Sigment had applied for early retirement from the mind so
Speaker 1: that he could care for her full time. And apparently
Speaker 1: his request was turned down, which is ironic because that
Speaker 1: mine was closed down about a year later. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: with a bunch of government processes like that are industries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe that was it. They might have even known
Speaker 1: about it and just he just just and sayd hey,
Speaker 1: you guys, you know you're gonna close down anyway. Why
Speaker 1: don't you let me go early? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you probably didn't have to pay his pension if they
Speaker 1: just closed down. I I assumed. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say. I think that. I think these were
Speaker 1: union jobs. I think the pension was there no matter what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't think they were. I don't think they were. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's why, because there's there's social assistance. But when all
Speaker 1: of those minds shut down, remember all the strife that
Speaker 1: happened in England for about a good decade or two
Speaker 1: because of all of that industry that moved and people
Speaker 1: just got left in the lurch. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's actually was actually a guarantee, but I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: luckily for Sigmund, he didn't need to find it. Okay,
Speaker 1: silver lining everything right. So on Saturday, June seventh night,
Speaker 1: Sigmund was supposed to be on a wedding his daughter.
Speaker 1: His goddaughter was getting married and he was the one
Speaker 1: who was going to give the bride away. So that
Speaker 1: was going to be a big day. Yeah, special. But
Speaker 1: the day before, Friday, June six, um, something happened. First,
Speaker 1: they had some family members who were in town for
Speaker 1: the wedding. They had him over and his wife did
Speaker 1: and had him over for lunch, and then after lunch
Speaker 1: he excused himself around three thirty pm left his house
Speaker 1: in Tingly Too. He said, go buy some groceries, ostensibly
Speaker 1: ostensibly thank you, yeah, exactly, it's there for you. And
Speaker 1: Sigmund never came back. He passed a neighbor on the
Speaker 1: way and said if he were was to him. So
Speaker 1: apparently that neighbor, whose name, of course is unknown. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of unknown people story. Yeah, he was the
Speaker 1: last known person to see sig alive. This unknown person
Speaker 1: was the last known person yea unknown, Yes exactly. He's
Speaker 1: an unknown known it's a very unspecific specific content, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And leaving the house and not coming back was kind
Speaker 1: of unusual behavior for Sigmund, who wasn't noted for going
Speaker 1: off on benders. Uh, everybody knew him, said he was
Speaker 1: a regular guy, likable, very dependable, and just an all
Speaker 1: around solid human being. Not the kind of guy to
Speaker 1: just go flittering off and leaving his wife. So it
Speaker 1: was unusual, and so of course, and it was also
Speaker 1: unusual because his wife did have an ass and she
Speaker 1: kind of needed care. So he wasn't the kind of
Speaker 1: guy that was just going to take off and her
Speaker 1: in the lurch. And so Lotti and the family figured
Speaker 1: something must be up and reported in missing to police.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of a search there
Speaker 1: was for Sigmund. I think probably mostly it was kind
Speaker 1: of an app kind of situation. The officers were told
Speaker 1: to be on the lookout for him, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they were really beating the bushes looking really hard
Speaker 1: six year old immigrant. I doubt they were too awful concerned.
Speaker 1: It's not quite the same as one of seven year
Speaker 1: old kid gets lost, right for a pretty young girl? Exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was the thing I saw? Sorry, it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a I thought there was something girl syndrome. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was somebody, you know, saying to their friend like, hey,
Speaker 1: I just I wish I was pretty, And they said, well,
Speaker 1: go missing, because I've never heard of a girl who's
Speaker 1: missing who hasn't been a beautiful or pretty young girl.
Speaker 1: So good point. He was not a pretty young grob.
Speaker 1: Maybe he would have. I don't know that. I've seen
Speaker 1: pictures of them, but they're they're kind of low rest,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to say. And as far as police action,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how how really in depth the investigation was,
Speaker 1: because and they might have actually gone into a quite
Speaker 1: huge depth, but unfortunately we don't have any access to
Speaker 1: the records because apparently it's still considered an open case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so there were some there arevents, some people that
Speaker 1: have tried to investigate this a little more carefully in
Speaker 1: the police have basically said, hey, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: talk to the corner's office. They have all the records,
Speaker 1: and then they go to the corner's office to corner's officers. Well,
Speaker 1: these are kind of like public records, but you're not
Speaker 1: actually what we would consider to be an interested party,
Speaker 1: so you can't see them that phrase. It's just so
Speaker 1: so well to fight. Oh you're not an interested party
Speaker 1: is and you have an official interest in this story,
Speaker 1: so exactly. I mean, obviously they were interested by definition
Speaker 1: that we're interested parties, but not by the government definition. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the press also at the time did not get
Speaker 1: too terribly interested in this until almost a year later,
Speaker 1: and for reasons we're going to talk about. But it
Speaker 1: did become a thing eventually. The search ended for six
Speaker 1: five days later on June eleven, when his body was
Speaker 1: found in the town of todd Morton, which is about
Speaker 1: twenty miles west of Tingley. Uh. And you can find
Speaker 1: it on of course the areal if you look on
Speaker 1: the internet. And the body was laying face down, and
Speaker 1: there are cats to say it was face up, but
Speaker 1: I have reason to believe it was laying actually face down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was like yeah, good point. Uh. So the
Speaker 1: body was faced down on top of a large stack
Speaker 1: of anthracite coal in a coal yard next to the
Speaker 1: todd Morton train station by the way that that coal
Speaker 1: was in nuggets. It was basically briquettes. Yeah. Small, it
Speaker 1: was man formed nuggets. Yeah. Not ye, not big fist
Speaker 1: sized chunk or raw you know, dust and powder kind
Speaker 1: of it was. It was something that has been formed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I saw a lot of questioning online and things
Speaker 1: with people saying stuff, and I was like, you guys
Speaker 1: didn't obviously understand what kind of coal this was or
Speaker 1: else all of this questioning wouldn't make sense. So that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to make sure we brought we pointed
Speaker 1: that out. Okay, And that is a good point, by
Speaker 1: the way, because yeah, I mean I pilot coal could
Speaker 1: mean anything. It could be piles of chunks of coal
Speaker 1: the size of your head and dust between grains of
Speaker 1: size of peace or who knows. Yeah, so son, the
Speaker 1: other units of measurements you want to call it there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: kilometers yeah, okay, yeah, So back to the Todd Morton
Speaker 1: train station. Uh, this coal yard was right next to
Speaker 1: the station. If you look at the if you look
Speaker 1: at the area view and the webs, you can find
Speaker 1: the train station pretty easily. It's just to the west
Speaker 1: of the A six Highway and according to the best
Speaker 1: information I can find, the coal yard was just to
Speaker 1: the southwest, right next to the trail and the train tracks.
Speaker 1: And wait, let me guess it's not there anymore. No,
Speaker 1: it's not because, yeah, coal is not quite so popular
Speaker 1: these days. Don't ask me why, but it's not. It
Speaker 1: looks like there's a car park there now, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But the pile of coal was reportedly about twelve feet high,
Speaker 1: and Sigmund was on or near the top of the pile. Son,
Speaker 1: he was up there a little ways. So the question,
Speaker 1: the question our mystery, and well what was Sigmund doing
Speaker 1: in the coal yard? And Todd Morten he had no
Speaker 1: friends in that town, had no other business there that
Speaker 1: anybody knew about. And another question is, well why was
Speaker 1: he dead? Then? Where had he been for five days?
Speaker 1: Big questions that not have that have not been answered yet.
Speaker 1: The coal yard at that time was being run by
Speaker 1: a guy named Trevor Parker, who was the son of
Speaker 1: the owner. And he said he had been there in
Speaker 1: the morning till about eleven am. I think he left
Speaker 1: to do deliveries. And he when he left, he closed
Speaker 1: and locked the gates, and when he came back at
Speaker 1: three pm, well he found a body laying on top
Speaker 1: of a pile of coal. He called the ambulance and
Speaker 1: called police. Well, he never actually went up to the body.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He was not sure that it was
Speaker 1: somebody dead or somebody He was taken as a passed
Speaker 1: out drunk or something like that. I think that's what
Speaker 1: you know, or a mannequin. You hope it's a drunk
Speaker 1: person or a mannequin, and just called yeah and then
Speaker 1: he um, So he called an ambulance in the police.
Speaker 1: Apparently the ambulance got there first, and that's why it
Speaker 1: appears to me the body was faced down the ambulants
Speaker 1: guys got there. The police. The statement by one of
Speaker 1: the policemen said, well, he was laying face up, but
Speaker 1: he had cold dust on his face. So it appears
Speaker 1: that the ambulance, the ambulance guys actually turned him over
Speaker 1: the police. And yeah, you would of course, and the
Speaker 1: police show up while he's laying face up, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he was faced down. I think. So we got a body. Uh.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing. One of the interesting things is there
Speaker 1: didn't appear to be marks in the coal from his feet,
Speaker 1: like from climbing up the pile at least as one
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, one of the constables who was there
Speaker 1: that day was quoted as saying that he said it
Speaker 1: was undisturbed. There were no signs that anybody had climbed
Speaker 1: up or down. It. Uh. Just led to some speculation
Speaker 1: later that Sigmund had been dropped on the coal pile
Speaker 1: by a UFO. I'll dispute that later. Wait, okay, Uh.
Speaker 1: And of course another reason for this UFO speculation was
Speaker 1: that the constable I just mentioned was named Alan Godfrey,
Speaker 1: who was involved in the Todd Warden UFO incident about
Speaker 1: five months later. That is, uh kind of a famous
Speaker 1: or semi famous at least UFO mystery. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: is well known. Uh. It's funny how like whenever police
Speaker 1: are involved in the UFO mystery, suddenly it becomes like
Speaker 1: very credible. Huh yeah, yeah, I know. Well actually Godfrey,
Speaker 1: Godfred doesn't seem like a total total nutcase to be honest.
Speaker 1: But anyway, enough about the Todd Warden UFO incident. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's how the story finally got to the front pages.
Speaker 1: It was months after Sigmund died suddenly, but suddenly some
Speaker 1: newspaper guys suddenly put the two together. They realized Oh
Speaker 1: my god, the policeman had been there at the coal yard,
Speaker 1: and then he has this encounter. There must be a
Speaker 1: connection and so and so, all of a sudden, there
Speaker 1: was all this speculation in the tabloids that Sigmund was
Speaker 1: abducted by the aliens and then who and then died
Speaker 1: and the aliens dropped him on the coal pile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk decited to track them, because you know,
Speaker 1: aliens are just weirdly, they just follow people like that. Okay, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that a little more. That is one of
Speaker 1: the theories out there though about the UFO abduction, and
Speaker 1: that's why he disappeared for five days. Um. Personally, I
Speaker 1: think that the fact that a guy vanishes turns up
Speaker 1: five days later in a coal yard that he should
Speaker 1: not have been in, uh, in a town he had
Speaker 1: no business being in, on top of a coal pile
Speaker 1: that he had no reason to climb to the top of,
Speaker 1: and then debt of apparently natural causes. To me, that's
Speaker 1: actually a pretty interesting story in and of itself. It's
Speaker 1: pretty weird, don't you think. Yeah, and even without the UFOs,
Speaker 1: well then the UFO bid feels tacked on. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how how did this not make the papers prior to this? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I'm sure it made the papers in some way,
Speaker 1: but it really seems like it needed the UFO angle
Speaker 1: before it got legs, I think. And the problem with
Speaker 1: the way the press were investigated this, I think is
Speaker 1: that they it seems like they only really want to
Speaker 1: at it from the UFO angle instead of like, you know,
Speaker 1: going on interviewing family members and trying to find out
Speaker 1: if maybe there was somebody out there with the grudge
Speaker 1: investigative report, Yeah, doing that kind of thing. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the police did some investigating that on that score.
Speaker 1: But you know, of course, as you know has already said,
Speaker 1: their records are kind of closed, so because it's an
Speaker 1: open case. And that's why when we talk about this mystery,
Speaker 1: there's so many people like us an unknown person said this,
Speaker 1: but his name is unknown or etcetera. But let's go
Speaker 1: back to our dead body. Um, according to the accounts
Speaker 1: I've seen, uh Sigma's close, we're actually in good conditions,
Speaker 1: so they weren't filthy, so he wasn't sleeping the gutters
Speaker 1: for the five days that he was missing, his wallet
Speaker 1: and watch were missing. Uh, and I'm sure it was gone. Also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: his trousers had apparently been incorrectly buttoned, which makes you
Speaker 1: wonder if somebody dressed him after death, presuming by shirt
Speaker 1: you mean his collared shirt. Yeah, he had a rest on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so not a T shirt but his Did he have
Speaker 1: an actual vest on or did he have a British
Speaker 1: vest on? His string string vest on? Yeah, whatever that is,
Speaker 1: it's like a spring bikini maybe. Well, I was just
Speaker 1: going to say, because I like, in British terms of
Speaker 1: vest is actually an undershirt and then you know what
Speaker 1: we call vest is like the is like the undercoat.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what they call it. Yeah, waistcoat could
Speaker 1: have been that. Yeah, just about all the sources I've
Speaker 1: seen for this our bredy so and I always do
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a problem with that. I'm
Speaker 1: starting to figure out that, you know, honey, bucket means toilet.
Speaker 1: Well that's problem is that there's no photos of the body.
Speaker 1: The photos you will see online re enactments, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: on the BBC, I think there was somebody like that,
Speaker 1: those aren't really the body. Okay, So I'm sorry, I interrupted.
Speaker 1: Did you so you're talking about his pants? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the pants were incorrectly buttoned. Uh. There were other counts
Speaker 1: out there, by the way, to say his jacket was
Speaker 1: buttoned wrong, that his pants were unzipped. So as always
Speaker 1: conflicting accounts. Uh, you know, top side again, wearing a
Speaker 1: vest and a jacket. There were no bruises, cuts, or contusions.
Speaker 1: It did not appear that he had been in a
Speaker 1: struggle with anybody. He wasn't strangled or beaten to death
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Also, the corner reported it looked
Speaker 1: like he had shaved within the past day. Uh. And
Speaker 1: most interestingly, he had some strange burns on the back
Speaker 1: of his neck and his shoulders. Burns had a kind
Speaker 1: of greenish ointment on them which was never identified. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't just Alivera, because Olivera tends to be kind
Speaker 1: of a weird greenish ointment. Well, I don't know how
Speaker 1: hard they tried to figure out what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was probably that that do from Ghostbusters. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was an autopsy done that very evening. The corner
Speaker 1: concluded the time of death was between eleven am in
Speaker 1: one pm that same day, the eleventh of June. So
Speaker 1: that means if Trevor Parker left the coal yard at
Speaker 1: eleven that morning, sometimes very shortly after that, Sigmund Dodowski
Speaker 1: wandered into the art and died of natural causes on
Speaker 1: top of that coal pile, or he was murdered and
Speaker 1: brought to the yard and left there, or maybe died
Speaker 1: and brought to the yard and left there. Those are
Speaker 1: kind of our options or UFO there. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: also you maybe. Uh. Corner also determined that the burns
Speaker 1: on Siegmund's neck and shoulders were about two days old,
Speaker 1: because you know, you know, you guys know, you guys
Speaker 1: have been burned, you know what that's like. They started
Speaker 1: looking kind of pink and fresh, and then the kind
Speaker 1: of gnarly two days later, you know exactly. Uh, but well,
Speaker 1: because because of that, police checked hospitals, emergency rooms clinics
Speaker 1: in the area to see if he'd been treated for
Speaker 1: the burns, and they found nothing. And the burns were
Speaker 1: also unique in that they were well defined, so it's
Speaker 1: more like contact burns and burns from an open flame,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They weren't amorphous, yeah, what
Speaker 1: sheep were? They They were kind of I think kind
Speaker 1: of rectangular circular, Well, I mean they were, they were roundish,
Speaker 1: but I I thought that they were kind of like
Speaker 1: hot dog shaped, But I could be wrong. And so
Speaker 1: you heard third, I mean I've heard. I got yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the impression that they were circular from the
Speaker 1: stuff that I read, but I would but again, I
Speaker 1: never seen a photo of it. Conflicting information. But the
Speaker 1: burns seem to be confirmed though, I mean they that
Speaker 1: they definitely are confirmed. How they How you know the
Speaker 1: shape of the burns and what caused the burns? Was
Speaker 1: it flame? Was it acid? Well, that's still up in
Speaker 1: the air. And there there's a there are a few
Speaker 1: theories out there about the burns, which we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: And police did find in the course of their investigations
Speaker 1: that Sigma had been getting what are called moxibustion treatments
Speaker 1: from an acupuncturist. Yeah. I never had these in balls,
Speaker 1: putting a cotton ball soaked in alcohol into a small
Speaker 1: glass jar or a bamboo cup, putting the jar on
Speaker 1: the skin and lighting the band and lighting the alcohol.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's supposed to be a treatment for
Speaker 1: rheumatism and some other ailments. This is one of those crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy treatments. It's like, there's that that weird treatment for
Speaker 1: when you've got stuff in your ear and they have
Speaker 1: the little cone, they have the cone that they stick
Speaker 1: in your ear and then you light the cone of
Speaker 1: the paper cone on fire and the heat is supposed
Speaker 1: to draw everything out. Like this is that same kind
Speaker 1: of How the hell did you think that worked kind
Speaker 1: of treatment? Yeah? I don't know. It could just be
Speaker 1: like it a little bit of heats to something, so
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of makes it feel temporarily better,
Speaker 1: you know. That's I mean, that's why eventually, that's why
Speaker 1: they came out out with the idea of bleeding people
Speaker 1: because it actually short term produce good results because you
Speaker 1: drain a bunch of blood out of somebody feels kind
Speaker 1: of lightheaded and kind of high. Yo is that the
Speaker 1: right word. I don't know except that one. And that's
Speaker 1: good enough for me. But but you know, and so
Speaker 1: people will go, yeah, wow, I feel kind of high. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your blood pressures drop. Yeah, we're just out of it.
Speaker 1: And so they started thinking, hey, that's drained blood out
Speaker 1: of them. That will make them better. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say how many people died from
Speaker 1: getting bled, like, I mean, there's a theory after that.
Speaker 1: George Washington was killed by his doctor because yeah, he
Speaker 1: was sick, and the doctors just kept taking blood and
Speaker 1: taking blood and taking blood. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: much he had left in and by the time he passed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, heat is good for him, but he is good.
Speaker 1: But it's a temporary kind of fixed. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you like heat up to relax the muscles, to treat
Speaker 1: them oftentimes, right, it's not like we'll put some heat
Speaker 1: on it and then magically you're cured. Like haired muscles
Speaker 1: are messed up, They're going to be messed up unless
Speaker 1: you do something to that. But this open flame treatment,
Speaker 1: this moxie what is it moxibustion, which is you know, combustion. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's going to leave a burn on the skin. So
Speaker 1: it's almost as if it was more damage than it
Speaker 1: doesn't want I think done right it It doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of like a heating pad. You know, if
Speaker 1: you use an eating pad, right, it's great, and if
Speaker 1: you crank it up too high and then fall asleep
Speaker 1: on top of it, like this kind of second to
Speaker 1: greenburn or something I don't know. I say it's an
Speaker 1: open flame. So always figured that's a bad idea. But
Speaker 1: were a side tracked, doesn't We're totally on a sidetrack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Later on the corner said that Sigmund back to our story.
Speaker 1: It didn't appear star But apparently he had been eating
Speaker 1: normally and drinking normally. He wasn't dehydrated or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So if somebody had had him chained up in the
Speaker 1: basement for five days and at least he was being fed.
Speaker 1: There also was no immediate conclusion about the cause of death.
Speaker 1: Apparently they had to think about it for a few months,
Speaker 1: and they finally decided that it was a heart attack
Speaker 1: that killed him. That's for the cause of the burns, well,
Speaker 1: that's unknown. Sigmunds whereabouts for five days is unknown. How
Speaker 1: we wound up in that coal pile unknown. And the
Speaker 1: mysterious green ointment, well, you know, nobody knows what that
Speaker 1: was either. They were sure it was appointment. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like a weird miscolored pus or something. They seemed to
Speaker 1: feel like it was some sort of some sort of
Speaker 1: like it wasn't greenish and that sort of past sins.
Speaker 1: It was more like an even kind of clear ish
Speaker 1: but with a tint, with a tint to it, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, yeah, hopefully hopefully a doctor can
Speaker 1: tell the difference between the past. Hope, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess plus probably isn't there ord but you know, like
Speaker 1: when you get a blister and it fills up with
Speaker 1: that like clear liquid or what you know, Because if
Speaker 1: he had a burn, it could have blistered and it
Speaker 1: could have been the remnants of like the clear goo.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't know, wouldn't have been green, would be
Speaker 1: a sign of a larger issue, and that would have
Speaker 1: been a parent I would presume larger. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was dead. There was a sign of a larger issue already.
Speaker 1: Is there a larger issue? Yes, there is actually yeah,
Speaker 1: you have an infect yeah yeah. Yeah. So we have
Speaker 1: theories there. People have got a lot of theories about
Speaker 1: this one. Uh. First, the first theory, this is a
Speaker 1: big favorite out there, which is UFOs. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Sigmund was abducted by you fo. He died of fright
Speaker 1: from his experience, uh, and they dropped his body on
Speaker 1: the coal pile and high tailed it out of there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so the evidence for this is it did
Speaker 1: not appear that sigma they climbed the coal pile. And
Speaker 1: also when you want to talk about the coal pile, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have huge issues with the nobody claimed the coal pile. Okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I've wondered about that one too, to be honest. Okay,
Speaker 1: finished that, we'll talk about we'll talk about the evidence
Speaker 1: for this. Yeah. Yeah. Also, his last name was Adomski.
Speaker 1: And it turns out there's a very famous ufologist or
Speaker 1: an upologist I can't remember, FOLLOGISTO follogist named George Adomski.
Speaker 1: I think he was. I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: dead by that time or not. He died in nineteen
Speaker 1: he's pretty dead. Yeah, And so according to the papers,
Speaker 1: at least, that can't be a coincidence. So the obdumption
Speaker 1: in this theory could possibly have been a case of
Speaker 1: mistaken identity alien. Yeah, they looked in the phone book.
Speaker 1: There he is. Uh. And the aliens would account for
Speaker 1: the strange burns too. It might be one of them
Speaker 1: in the spaceship was playing with the phase plasma rifle
Speaker 1: in the fort Wat range and maybe had a gun accident. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the Yeah, and you know, I went on the burns.
Speaker 1: Of course was done to that I identifiable because it
Speaker 1: was alien and origin. Well, it could have been the
Speaker 1: neck breath, right, it could have been like a holding
Speaker 1: device that overheated. And yeah, it could have been something
Speaker 1: like that too. I don't know. I'm just loving the
Speaker 1: idea of the aliens, like, oh crap, oh crap, we
Speaker 1: killed quick, get rid of the body, the body, Why
Speaker 1: are we gonna done it? Well, it's says there's a
Speaker 1: coal miner. Okay, there's a pot of cool over there
Speaker 1: out of here that looks like a soft place for him.
Speaker 1: Drop him. Okay. Of course, another reason you haven't might
Speaker 1: not have been identified as the corner didn't try too
Speaker 1: hard to Again, I don't know how much testing they
Speaker 1: did of that. It could have really doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: they tried very hard. It could have been they just
Speaker 1: sort of smelled it and said hot, doesn't smell like
Speaker 1: anything I know, And that's about it. This is nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: so it's not as if they can just stick it
Speaker 1: in the mass spectrometer or whatever it is. It is
Speaker 1: a mass spectrometer. Yeah, okay, I was guessing that the name.
Speaker 1: But it's not like they can just take a sample
Speaker 1: and pop it in there and figure out what it's
Speaker 1: based components is and just like c S I goooo
Speaker 1: oh it's used in this and that and this and that.
Speaker 1: We know what it is. Yeah, it's this, it looks
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah. Typically, you know, when it comes to
Speaker 1: testing for this or testing for that, it's like you
Speaker 1: have to actually be looking for it, so you know,
Speaker 1: you can't just pop it in there and then it
Speaker 1: just says, oh it's this. You know, you test to
Speaker 1: see if it's this, this, this or this, and if
Speaker 1: it doesn't fall on one of those things, well okay,
Speaker 1: what we can do some more testing or we can
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we don't care. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: finding it's very small potatoes in the study. Yeah, finding
Speaker 1: ointments on burns. It's not exactly you know, a big deal.
Speaker 1: It's not a huge thing. But you were talking about
Speaker 1: about the whole no marks on the coal pile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is the biggest load of who we I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of. Ken, Okay, Joe tell me this. Where
Speaker 1: was this coal pile located? Again? It was located next
Speaker 1: to the train tracks and next to the train station. Okay,
Speaker 1: And what do trains do when they're moving trains, they
Speaker 1: go to those two Those things are correct, but they
Speaker 1: also they cause a lot of vibrations in their starting
Speaker 1: and stopping processes. And if you've ever seen a pile
Speaker 1: of anything that's about the size of these coal nuggets,
Speaker 1: here's something that makes a lot of vibration. Those piles move.
Speaker 1: So we could very easily have been one and two
Speaker 1: trains came in and out of the station, and that
Speaker 1: was enough to to soften the indentations that were done
Speaker 1: by somebody's feet. There are a little a little rainfall perhaps,
Speaker 1: you know, and think about it. The paramedics come running up,
Speaker 1: so they've already disturbed the scenes and the fact that
Speaker 1: there's no indentations. I was gonna say, I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know. They probably said to the paramedics
Speaker 1: like which one of like are those years and they
Speaker 1: said probably yeah. But the thing about it is, too
Speaker 1: is if you're standing at the base, if you're paramedic,
Speaker 1: and the body is like say you know, yeah, ten
Speaker 1: feed up and it's like ninety degrees around the pile,
Speaker 1: you don't go up here and then over the body.
Speaker 1: You go around to the base below the body and
Speaker 1: go straight up. So it might have been that they
Speaker 1: traced right over the tracks exactly. That's yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: like I'm thinking that that much activity in that area
Speaker 1: probably soften the indentations. And then you got these guys
Speaker 1: who first responder's job is to get to the body
Speaker 1: and help the individual. They can't be completely you know,
Speaker 1: they can't do Oh, we've got to take the securitis
Speaker 1: they know. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know, of course,
Speaker 1: I I you know, I don't. I don't know. If
Speaker 1: they climbed up there, it might have been thought, you know,
Speaker 1: that looks dangerous. We'll just rocks just so, rocks at
Speaker 1: the body until it slides down to us. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened to you. Probably not they
Speaker 1: especially if you think they turned him over. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did actually touched up Yeah, I think so. But and
Speaker 1: also and as far as the UFO theory goes, remember
Speaker 1: Alan Godfrey, the policeman, he was involved in the Todd
Speaker 1: Morton UFO. Yeah, well, he was, as I said, also
Speaker 1: on the scene for this crime. Uh. And he's he's
Speaker 1: familiar with this case. He was interviewed actually years later
Speaker 1: about this and he is he said it was quote
Speaker 1: a load of rubbish referring to the UFO theory. Well there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so even though God for himself, you know, totally believes
Speaker 1: he encountered a UFO, he's not not buying into it
Speaker 1: in this particular case. Yeah, uh, this is this is
Speaker 1: There's another theory out there that I found on Reddit
Speaker 1: of all places, which is that he had a stroke,
Speaker 1: and he had a stroke while he was shopping for
Speaker 1: groceries and just sort of wandered off in a daze,
Speaker 1: and then some good Samaritans took him in and took
Speaker 1: care of him, hoping that he'd come to his senses
Speaker 1: and that they could get him back to where everybody
Speaker 1: he belonged. But then when he croaked after five days,
Speaker 1: they just had to get rid of the body because
Speaker 1: apparently even though they were good Sumaritans, they weren't quite
Speaker 1: actually that good, and they wanted to avoid contact with
Speaker 1: the police. So anyway, what do you guys think of
Speaker 1: that theory? He could have wandered away from the Good
Speaker 1: Samaritan home on his own and they broked. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he could have saw the coal and thought,
Speaker 1: oh I know that, Why do I know that I'm
Speaker 1: going to climb up there and something familiar. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought strokes tended to leave some pretty obvious signs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. And I'm sure since they were a
Speaker 1: little iffy and the cause of death, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: looked at his brain and the autopsy and apparently there's
Speaker 1: there was no evidence of a stroke that showed up
Speaker 1: in the autopsy. That That's the other thing I hate
Speaker 1: about this series, that is, I mean, seriously, you're gonna
Speaker 1: find some guy who's wandering around today as you You're
Speaker 1: not going to call the police or something and the
Speaker 1: hospital or something. And then even after that, when the
Speaker 1: police are like doing this investigation, you're not going to
Speaker 1: go oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: I helped him out, but he wandered off. I didn't
Speaker 1: say anything, yeah exactly. So So okay, not the best
Speaker 1: Reddit theory I've ever come across. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I find all the theories and plug
Speaker 1: him in there, good or bad, it's not a good one. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's a kind of similar theory, which was lightning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, a similar thing. He was struck by lightning,
Speaker 1: became disoriented, and the shirt cut fire, so he took
Speaker 1: it off, his watch melted or at least got really hot,
Speaker 1: so he took it off to Stars of Walt. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to that his watch was hot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was hot at some point. Yeah. And then he
Speaker 1: wandered around for five days because of the lightning, you know,
Speaker 1: mixing up his brains. And then when he finally saw
Speaker 1: that coal pile, he was like, yeah, something familiar. So
Speaker 1: you know, climbed the pile because it's cool. I love cool,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and he did have hard issues actually,
Speaker 1: and so if he did climb the pile, it's conceivable
Speaker 1: the exertion, you know, caused him to have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: Nothing that was about this theory makes any I was
Speaker 1: going to say, because you know, if if a stroke
Speaker 1: leaves a whole lot of evidence getting struck by lightning,
Speaker 1: he would think he's going to leave way more evidence
Speaker 1: on your body. Yeah, you would think, especially if we're
Speaker 1: saying his watch melted, well, like not on his wrist.
Speaker 1: It didn't write or like marks on his wrist. And
Speaker 1: you know, his shirt caught on fire. Surely his jacket
Speaker 1: would have been singed at least, you know that his
Speaker 1: hair would have been all singed to that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: another another terrible theory, the lightning one. It's another sery.
Speaker 1: He left to start a new life, but he got
Speaker 1: distracted by a coal pile and died on top of it.
Speaker 1: He just loved Cole so much. Yeah, I know, yeah
Speaker 1: he did, and so I can't believe what it could
Speaker 1: have been. He's leaving, starting new life, and he's saying
Speaker 1: goodbye not just to his wife and his family, but
Speaker 1: also to coal and you know, he had to go
Speaker 1: reminisce with the coal pile just a little bit longer
Speaker 1: before he left and had a heart attack and died.
Speaker 1: I like this sory that's it for this episode. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: suicide Now I'm not buying that one, guys. Yeah. Another
Speaker 1: possibility is sigmatic girlfriend supposing he wasn't as into the
Speaker 1: wedding and the whole family scene as everybody thought. Maybe,
Speaker 1: and this is conceivable. I mean, there are people out
Speaker 1: there who lead double lives, So maybe he just thought
Speaker 1: and then there was a little bit of tension in
Speaker 1: the family over the wedding. Frankly I had heard, and
Speaker 1: so maybe he just decided, you know, screw this, screw
Speaker 1: these people, I'm just gonna go to my girlfriends and
Speaker 1: just hang out there for several days, you know, and
Speaker 1: and just blow the whole thing off. And then at
Speaker 1: some point, well you know, he was gonna go home,
Speaker 1: but then he has his heart attack and dies, and
Speaker 1: then whoever he was staying with is said, oh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be embarrassing. So I'll tell you what I'll
Speaker 1: do is I'll dress the body up and get rid
Speaker 1: of it and put the clothes on. Dumpton. This one
Speaker 1: might explain the shirt being gone, because I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: dressing somebody in their vests and their jacket is not
Speaker 1: probably not that easy if they're dead either, But I
Speaker 1: mean the shirt would be comparatively harder, I would think so.
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe the shirt had lipstick on it or
Speaker 1: some other kind of DNA evidence. So the hard part
Speaker 1: about this, By the way, I don't remember seeing this
Speaker 1: anywhere else. What I was thinking about, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: people who have a thing on the side, usually they
Speaker 1: don't want to mix their two lives because it's an
Speaker 1: outlet and an escape. And by doing what you've you've
Speaker 1: theorized he would have done and saying screwed, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna hang out here the whole time, and those people
Speaker 1: can just blow off. Well, that lets the genie out
Speaker 1: of the bottle. Everybody now knows that you're screwing around,
Speaker 1: and suddenly you don't get that that best of both
Speaker 1: worlds that people who do this or after flies in
Speaker 1: the face of why he would have, you know, a
Speaker 1: girl on the side, Well exactly that. That is the
Speaker 1: problem is that if he had a girl on the side,
Speaker 1: he would have been more discreet about it. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gone over to her place for five days. Well,
Speaker 1: here's something I will bring up, which isn't is not
Speaker 1: a nice truth to be facing, But there are people
Speaker 1: in this world who, when faced with um, the serious
Speaker 1: illness of a spouse, particularly one that's potentially getting progressively
Speaker 1: worse and worse, just run away instead of staying around
Speaker 1: to take more and more care of that person. So
Speaker 1: it's possible that he had had this girlfriend and you know,
Speaker 1: she was fulfilling the needs that his wife wasn't anymore
Speaker 1: because she wasn't able to anymore, and was just realizing,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't take care of my wife anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's why he ran off, and he was intending
Speaker 1: to run off forever. It's possible. It's not likely, but
Speaker 1: it's more possible than I mean, it helps explain why
Speaker 1: he might have gone, you know, just been okay with
Speaker 1: exposing quote unquote the double life, that he was just
Speaker 1: ready to leave. But again, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a good theory. No, it's there's no, not really
Speaker 1: much of anything in the way of evidence for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it doesn't care for a few
Speaker 1: things like the body being being apparently sort of looks
Speaker 1: like the body might have been dressed by somebody else
Speaker 1: after death and maybe so what kind of account for that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't explain where the body turned up on top
Speaker 1: of a cold Oh no, not at all. That's not
Speaker 1: the screen. That's not the way I would choose to
Speaker 1: dump a body. Because they were talking about like in
Speaker 1: a lot of coal yard and dragging it up to
Speaker 1: the top of a coal pile right next to some
Speaker 1: train tracks and train station. Well, I guess. And the
Speaker 1: other thing for me, when we talk about all of
Speaker 1: these theories that had don't have him going to the
Speaker 1: coal pile on his own, I'm willing to say, like
Speaker 1: it would have been really easy for one set of
Speaker 1: tracks to disappear, But the set of you know, some
Speaker 1: person dragging a body up a cold thing seems a
Speaker 1: little more like that would have been more obvious. It
Speaker 1: does not. It does seem to me like most likely
Speaker 1: he got out there on his under his own power,
Speaker 1: because why the hell would anybody else drag somebody's dead
Speaker 1: body up to the top of you. I still question
Speaker 1: that they Okay, let's just run down this this this alley.
Speaker 1: I don't actually think that if he was already dead
Speaker 1: when he out to the coal yard, that they necessarily
Speaker 1: had to drag him in, because what was the guy
Speaker 1: who was running the coal yard Parker? Okay, Trevor Parker's
Speaker 1: job may have been to shut and lock the gates.
Speaker 1: But Trevor Parker may not have been good at fulfilling
Speaker 1: all of his duties, and so he shut the gate.
Speaker 1: He did not, however, lock it, and therefore somebody could
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that guy always shuts the gate,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't lock it. You drive your car in.
Speaker 1: It's much faster to drive your car in and drag
Speaker 1: the body into a spot. Now, maybe they're hoping that
Speaker 1: more coal comes and the body gets buried. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't I can't imagine that in
Speaker 1: a yard of any size that you would want to
Speaker 1: be dragging the body that wasn't a ten ft up
Speaker 1: the coal the coal pile, though I don't don't, I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer to that, but I could that
Speaker 1: somebody was, you know, doing the fireman carry or the
Speaker 1: the old the Agatha Christie mystery where they drag him
Speaker 1: in the heels are making lines in the dirt. But
Speaker 1: that's the dragon I'm not talking. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the dragging through the yard. I'm worried wondering about the
Speaker 1: ten feet up a coal pile. Is the dragging that
Speaker 1: I feel like girlfriend was a bodybuilder, was a national
Speaker 1: shot put champion h and she threw him. Or maybe
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was actually his boyfriend. I mean, maybe he
Speaker 1: wasn't national shot put chip because yeah, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that. It seems like if you're dragging a body
Speaker 1: ten feet up, there's gonna be some significant even with
Speaker 1: trains and all that stuff, it seems like there would
Speaker 1: be some marks. Yeah, there would there would be significant marks,
Speaker 1: and there there's a risk of being seen and everything.
Speaker 1: I do think the idea about coming any of the
Speaker 1: supposing the gates were locked. But supposing that it was
Speaker 1: one of the delivery guys, because Cole was delivered to
Speaker 1: the yard. So those supposing of Trevor or whoever is
Speaker 1: out delivering things, that the gates are locked and maybe
Speaker 1: the delivery drivers had keys or you know, and so
Speaker 1: you know, it might have been somebody who actually had
Speaker 1: a key to the law. There was no delivery, thought
Speaker 1: there were no deliveries. But but but I'm saying that
Speaker 1: if the guy, the delivery person has a set of
Speaker 1: keys and he knows and he had no yeah, he'd
Speaker 1: so even though that wasn't his day to deliver, but
Speaker 1: he still had access to the yard and you know,
Speaker 1: and so it could have been that could have been.
Speaker 1: Still to me, it still does not make sense as
Speaker 1: a place to dump a body. Yeah, but anyway, that
Speaker 1: that's so we kind of got a little off track
Speaker 1: there with the theory was you know, the girlfriend he
Speaker 1: died and you know, I know, so, um, I'm not
Speaker 1: certainly this is not a great theory. Okay, let's move
Speaker 1: to the next one. Uh, there's another theory out there
Speaker 1: in the webs, which is an accident thought is that
Speaker 1: he was on the coal pile and unbeknownst to him,
Speaker 1: the coal had started combusting. It does happen if you
Speaker 1: have coal. It's sometimes will will combust deep within a
Speaker 1: pile and you can't and tell there's no open flames
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but deep down there is burning
Speaker 1: and putting out poisonous gases like carbro monoxide, etcetera. And
Speaker 1: when these when the coal fires like this happened, they
Speaker 1: burned for a long time and then eventually if they
Speaker 1: do reach the surface and suddenly boost, they ignited. But yeah,
Speaker 1: coal can that could actually happen with coal. Uh, And
Speaker 1: so maybe Signal, for whatever reason, was on the pile
Speaker 1: and inhaled carbro monoxide, etcetera. And died of carbon monoxide poison.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, but you know, maybe I don't know, doctor,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then why was he even was
Speaker 1: he on the pile? Well that's a good question. Well
Speaker 1: there's that. There's also the question of, you know, the
Speaker 1: police and the medical personnel who were on the site
Speaker 1: later and nobody got sick or noticed any ill effects
Speaker 1: from gas or anything like that. Well, also, he was
Speaker 1: on the top of the pile. He wasn't like stuck
Speaker 1: in a room with CEO two like all like he
Speaker 1: could have been feeling like faint and then just turned
Speaker 1: over and everything would have been fine. There's that too,
Speaker 1: you know, there is a quite I think there was
Speaker 1: plenty of other air wafting through the area, so I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see how he could have. So this
Speaker 1: is again I think I also saw this one out
Speaker 1: on Reddit. So Reddit, you're not doing so well today
Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you guys. You know, usually you
Speaker 1: guys are more on your game than this, but you know,
Speaker 1: the theory is out there, so I just had to
Speaker 1: include it. And again I just think it fails on
Speaker 1: a few fronts. Yeah, and uh, there's another one. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of like hypothesized by the
Speaker 1: police at the time, which is there was a misadventure
Speaker 1: with the coal truck. Actually, you know, aside from the
Speaker 1: fact that we've already talked about there were no actual
Speaker 1: deliveries there were in those days. I do like this theory.
Speaker 1: This makes a lot, This makes on the outside, made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, makes everything, yeah, except yeah it does.
Speaker 1: And the theory was is that somehow Sigmund fell or
Speaker 1: jumped it was pushed into the back of a coal
Speaker 1: truck which eventually delivered its load of coal to the
Speaker 1: Tomlin coal yard with Sigmund in the coal um. But
Speaker 1: of course Trevor Park shot theory down because he said, well,
Speaker 1: there are no coal deliveries to the yard on that day,
Speaker 1: nor the day before or the day before that. Uh, so,
Speaker 1: so much for that idea. And also I guess the
Speaker 1: other thing is that it does seem like he would
Speaker 1: be more covered in coal, he might have more cold closing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that. It looks like a chimney sweep at them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it still doesn't explain how the hell he winds
Speaker 1: up in the back of a coal truck. By the way,
Speaker 1: there's that one too. Another theory that I was kicking
Speaker 1: around a little bit as well. He worked at the
Speaker 1: coal pit two miles east and so and then what
Speaker 1: twenty two miles east of todd Morten, And of course
Speaker 1: the coal pit was was served by rail. So what if,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason he had to go to the coal pit,
Speaker 1: something happens. Maybe it's something kind of like our Dave
Speaker 1: Box episode where the guy is like, you know, whistle
Speaker 1: blew or god knows whatever reason and he's murdered or
Speaker 1: something at at at work, and so they just tossed
Speaker 1: him into a rail car that's full of coal and
Speaker 1: then and then it goes off, you know, by rail
Speaker 1: to todd Moore and where somebody there you know, pulls
Speaker 1: the body out and puts it on the pile. But
Speaker 1: I checked it out and that there does not appear
Speaker 1: to be a direct rail connection between the Lofthouse coal
Speaker 1: pit and todd Morden real estate. Well, also, he was
Speaker 1: gone for five days and I thought it turned out
Speaker 1: that he had died. I know, well they held they
Speaker 1: held him prisoner at the at the coal pit. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know, fat him really well and shaped him
Speaker 1: and stuff exactly. I mean, yeah, I was thinking like
Speaker 1: he could have gotten in the coal truck by hitching
Speaker 1: a ride, and maybe he was a little lazy, you know.
Speaker 1: And he saw a friend of his and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to buy some potatoes. Can you give me
Speaker 1: a lift to the store. I'll just top on the
Speaker 1: back here, and somehow fell in or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The friend forgot he was there and just delivered him,
Speaker 1: or he didn't even tell money. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But again, it doesn't really account for the
Speaker 1: five missing days. So yeah, it does not account for that.
Speaker 1: And again it's like, well, also it doesn't count for
Speaker 1: how high up the body was. I mean, your average
Speaker 1: even if it's a dump truck and everything, it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to imagine a body winding up that high
Speaker 1: up from being dumped on the while. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's yeah, And I don't think they
Speaker 1: had rail delivery either to the to the yard, because
Speaker 1: if they had had rail delivery, which would it would
Speaker 1: make sense kind of just right next to the railroad tracks,
Speaker 1: but they would kind of have to have a separate
Speaker 1: rail spur. Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't remember
Speaker 1: a spur going into the yard. I looked at the arials,
Speaker 1: and usually you know that, Well, if a spur is
Speaker 1: totally not being used anymore, they will sometimes take up
Speaker 1: the tracks, but you can usually tell from there's evidence
Speaker 1: left behind arials. You can usually sort of see and
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of a spur there. Okay, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that's so much for that theory. Um, there's
Speaker 1: another theory. This is kind of more plausible, that he
Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Yeah, Sigma's family actually believed he had been
Speaker 1: kidnapped and by As I mentioned earlier, there was some
Speaker 1: bad blood apparently between him another member of the extended family.
Speaker 1: And this sory comes to us from Bufora, the British
Speaker 1: UFO Research Association Flora. Yeah, Bufora, not Buffora. Okay, Bufore
Speaker 1: about ten years ago team members of Bufforea looked into
Speaker 1: Sigma's death. They wrote a report about it, which you
Speaker 1: can find on the webs if you look hard enough.
Speaker 1: And I have a copy of it right here. No,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to find. It's got pictures and everything.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and uh I've read it anyway, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to. Don't worry about finding it. The authors
Speaker 1: of the report are John Hanson and David Sanky. Uh
Speaker 1: and they actually did, I think a fairly decent report.
Speaker 1: You guys read it right. It was not sensationalist at all.
Speaker 1: Forward right, straightforward. They researched as well as they could
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, came to a reasonable conclusion. Uh.
Speaker 1: So the authors tried to get ahold of police and
Speaker 1: corners records. Of course they were giving the run around.
Speaker 1: They did interview Alan Godfrey, the policeman, since he was there,
Speaker 1: he'd be an obvious choice, and that was when they
Speaker 1: got the quote from him saying it was a blow
Speaker 1: of rubbish. They also spoke to a few members of
Speaker 1: Sigmund's family and they concluded UFOs were not involved. The
Speaker 1: report mentions one person who was named who told the
Speaker 1: UFO research is that what had happened was that Sigmund
Speaker 1: out of falling out with a member of the family. Recently,
Speaker 1: apparently another member of the family who was a female
Speaker 1: had left her husband, who was a person that he
Speaker 1: had falling out with, gotten restraining order against him and
Speaker 1: husband against the husband. It was staying with Sigmund and
Speaker 1: Lottie temporarily and so, uh, probably the husband is the
Speaker 1: family member that Buffera Bouffora excuse me mentions, uh. And
Speaker 1: they state that his identity is known, but they don't
Speaker 1: give us his name, and I assume they do that
Speaker 1: for legal reasons. Makes sense. Yeah, Uh, So the allegation
Speaker 1: is that this person, then this is all guess this
Speaker 1: is not just a theory in their part. Somebody else
Speaker 1: alleged this who apparently was supposed to be in and
Speaker 1: what we don't know who he is, damn it. But
Speaker 1: the allegation is that this husband abducted Siegmund, locked him
Speaker 1: in the garden shed for several days, and Sigmund was
Speaker 1: trying to escape and somehow came into contact with battery
Speaker 1: acid or some of the kind of corrosive agent which
Speaker 1: caused the burns on his neck and shoulders. But then
Speaker 1: apparently Sigmund died and then whoever was holding him had
Speaker 1: to get rid of his body. And this Dad's got
Speaker 1: a little support from Ladyadovski, who Sigma's wife, who said
Speaker 1: after Sigma disappeared, before his body appeared, that she believed
Speaker 1: that he had been kidnapped. It does least some questions,
Speaker 1: I answered, like, for one, uh, what what could his
Speaker 1: kidnapper or kidnappers have hoped to accomplish by kidnapping him
Speaker 1: locking up in a shed for several days. I have
Speaker 1: one idea, what's that just stopping him from attending the wedding? No.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that if it is the estranged husband,
Speaker 1: this husband and guys do this decide that Sigmund and
Speaker 1: his wife were had a thing going on the side,
Speaker 1: and that's why he she left him and went to
Speaker 1: live with them, And so he's gonna get revenge on
Speaker 1: this bastard for fooling around with my wife or Sigmunds
Speaker 1: seemed like sorry, it seems like he was kind of
Speaker 1: a ternal figure for the family. I mean he was gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, give his goddaughter away. And you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's that this guy was like, well, well, Sigmund is
Speaker 1: the only thing keeping me away from my wife. It
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be some sort of relationship thing.
Speaker 1: It can literally be like he's the man of this house.
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe he had a shotgun and said, listen,
Speaker 1: you come near your you know, estranged wife again, I'll
Speaker 1: shoot you. And you know, the guy thinks, all right,
Speaker 1: well I'll just kidnap him, and then I have easy
Speaker 1: access to my wife and surely she'll be coming right
Speaker 1: running back to me. You can still see the error
Speaker 1: of my way of her ways. And then it turns
Speaker 1: out no, maybe not. And I think the estranged husband
Speaker 1: was he the one that was supposed to be giving
Speaker 1: away that the god daughter at the wedding but couldn't
Speaker 1: because of the restraining order. Does that sound familiar? I
Speaker 1: could have been that. Well, now again it's another unnamed person.
Speaker 1: Apparently there was somebody else who Sigmund felt was actually
Speaker 1: the person who should have been giving away the god
Speaker 1: the god daughter instead of him, and so there was
Speaker 1: some contection. I don't know that they were the same
Speaker 1: person or not, because again we're on another unnamed person
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Well, I guess I have a couple
Speaker 1: of questions regarding and kidnapping right. One is they said
Speaker 1: he was like well fed. Yeah, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: like do you wealth feed and hydrate and give all
Speaker 1: the creature comforts to your captives that you have hidden
Speaker 1: up in your sheds? Uh? You know, yeah, it depends
Speaker 1: at the point of kidnapping to make it kind of
Speaker 1: miserable for that person, do you would think? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that it depends on what I tend to do with them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I start them sometimes, Yeah, that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: a problem I have to Usually there would be like
Speaker 1: ligature marks around wrists or some other well you think
Speaker 1: it would be otherwise restrained. The average garden shed is
Speaker 1: not that stout, you know, so you think you'd want
Speaker 1: to time up. And there were there. I didn't read
Speaker 1: about any sort of like handcuff marks or rope marks
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Yeah, So I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it was kept kind of in a semi drug state. Also,
Speaker 1: maybe it's possible again that I mean, even if even
Speaker 1: if that's right, even if this particular person abducts you
Speaker 1: and has him in the garden shed, why the coal pile, Like,
Speaker 1: why not just go, well, he's dead in my backyard shed.
Speaker 1: Why don't I go next to the shed, dig a
Speaker 1: big hole and cram him into it. There's that and
Speaker 1: just disposed of the body that way. There's I think
Speaker 1: I can think of many, many lower profile ways to
Speaker 1: get rid of a body wood chippers. Even if you
Speaker 1: drive them out in the woods and just push him
Speaker 1: into the creek, you know, that's you're still at least
Speaker 1: a lot less lack that he gets seen into the
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Yeah, I mean, there's a hole. But
Speaker 1: that's why driving miles with a body or twenty miles
Speaker 1: with a body in the back of your car, and yeah,
Speaker 1: well it might not have been twenty miles. I don't
Speaker 1: know where this guy lived. He might have actually lived
Speaker 1: near Todd, I don't know. But that's weird. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really inexplicable. I wonder if this was a
Speaker 1: weekend at Bernie's kind of scenario, how they got there,
Speaker 1: they actually got there on the train. They went next
Speaker 1: to the stop, and so the guy was carrying him around,
Speaker 1: you know, with the arm at the back of his shirt,
Speaker 1: turning his head around like talking. Yeah, I had big
Speaker 1: three legged walk the coal yard. Yeah, that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: Probably go to the top of the coal yard ever,
Speaker 1: look around. But yeah. One of the things about this
Speaker 1: that's really kind of intriguing to me is that the
Speaker 1: Sigmund was a coal miner and his body was found
Speaker 1: on a pile of coal, and so it makes me
Speaker 1: wonder if somebody was maybe sending a message. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the message was, and why it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: why they wouldn't have just dropped him at the coal
Speaker 1: mine where he worked, instead of this coal stockpile somewhere else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, again, well maybe the coal mine was all
Speaker 1: full of people. Maybe, you know, maybe this yard and
Speaker 1: everything was actually a pretty sleepy little place and there
Speaker 1: were there weren't that many people around. Todd Moreton is
Speaker 1: a tiny, little, tiny little village. Yeah, But I just
Speaker 1: don't understand but that it could just be a coincidence
Speaker 1: that he was found on a pile of coal. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It just seems to me that there's something
Speaker 1: going on there, Like was there a little labor unrest
Speaker 1: out the mine and maybe manager decided to grab some
Speaker 1: random coal miner and murder him and drop him out
Speaker 1: a pile of coal just to send a message. And
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Uh. And then it was the
Speaker 1: locktest call your disaster in nineteen seventy three, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys have heard about. Who hasn't. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the long story short, Uh, somebody kind of dropped the
Speaker 1: ball and part of the Yeah, giant cock up it
Speaker 1: really was. And but without getting into a great detail
Speaker 1: unless you guys wanted to get into great detail. Now,
Speaker 1: the government official did not do the proper survey job
Speaker 1: they yeah, and so and so the mine was at
Speaker 1: least part of it was flooded with about three million
Speaker 1: gallons of water. Uh. Seven miners died, and of course
Speaker 1: there was a bit of a stink about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: The political career was made out of it, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: died off of it too. So could maybe signal to
Speaker 1: somehow been involved in this disaster. Did somebody kidnap and
Speaker 1: it was part of some sort of revenge plot? Or
Speaker 1: am I just grasping a straw. I think that one, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably that one. Yeah, I mean that was that might
Speaker 1: sort of indicate the significance of his body one up
Speaker 1: on top of a coal pile. Beyond that, I got nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really don't. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of intriguing that there was this big disaster
Speaker 1: where he worked and then he turns up dead on
Speaker 1: a pile of coal. But the disaster it happened seven
Speaker 1: years before. Yeah, there was no anniversary or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Well they do, they actually they pulled things to record,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean, but his his disappearance and
Speaker 1: death were not on any kind of anniversary of the um.
Speaker 1: So again, it doesn't really make a lot of sense
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, but that was another significant event,
Speaker 1: the coal oriented event in the neighborhood. So I thought
Speaker 1: I sort of had to ponder for a second whether
Speaker 1: there might be a connection. But I really can't. I
Speaker 1: can't either. It's I think there's just an all around
Speaker 1: a very weird story, and it it's one of those
Speaker 1: ones that I hate because I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: feel any different or you know, anything like that actual resolution.
Speaker 1: There's not a favor theory. No, there's nothing that quite
Speaker 1: explains everything, you know, even the most plausible one, uh,
Speaker 1: which is a kidnapping and being held against this will.
Speaker 1: There's questions. There's still that question of why the coal pile,
Speaker 1: What the hell why the coal pile is even in
Speaker 1: the UFO theory? Come on, yeah, I know. Why would
Speaker 1: the UFO go to a train station which has got
Speaker 1: people around and everything and dropped the body there? Because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, because it looked like it was a
Speaker 1: really cushy place to drop in. That must have been
Speaker 1: in I don't know. By the way, did you guys
Speaker 1: read one of those news articles from the time in
Speaker 1: the newspaper and they had it was accompanied by a
Speaker 1: little line drawing off your tip of your traditional flying
Speaker 1: saucer in the air, and then there's this line drawing
Speaker 1: of coal underneath. And then in between the two is
Speaker 1: this this silhouette of a body in falling. It was
Speaker 1: so funny. I was like, wow, they at this point
Speaker 1: they were just having fun with this. You would have to, oh, yeah, Actually,
Speaker 1: I've always thought that actually working for the tabloids and
Speaker 1: writing some of those articles and headlines would actually be
Speaker 1: kind of a kick. Probably probably would be fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately we gotta lead it at that because I
Speaker 1: don't know there might be somebody out there who's still alive,
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