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Speaker 1: think ye hi there. Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jill Mind as always by Devon and Steve. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we almost said Joe. For some reason, you're looking at him.

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Speaker 1: by numbers starting next week, but I'm seventeen. Yeah. For

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Speaker 1: about a strange death a guy named Sigmund Adomski happened

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Speaker 1: in England thirty seven years ago, and if you're listening

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Speaker 1: in the year fifty, Well you do the math. This

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Speaker 1: is before you go any further, though, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: get a shout out to our listener Savannah, who suggested

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Speaker 1: Particular little mystery was that Robin's I didn't I so

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Speaker 1: the year was nine sigma. Dodowski was an immigrant from

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Speaker 1: Sigmund worked as a coal miner in the Lofthouse Collier Repit,

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Speaker 1: that killed him. That's for the cause of the burns, well,

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00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: that's unknown. Sigmunds whereabouts for five days is unknown. How

424
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: we wound up in that coal pile unknown. And the

425
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: mysterious green ointment, well, you know, nobody knows what that

426
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: was either. They were sure it was appointment. It wasn't

427
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: like a weird miscolored pus or something. They seemed to

428
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: feel like it was some sort of some sort of

429
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: like it wasn't greenish and that sort of past sins.

430
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: It was more like an even kind of clear ish

431
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 1: but with a tint, with a tint to it, I think, yeah,

432
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, yeah, hopefully hopefully a doctor can

433
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: tell the difference between the past. Hope, I mean, I

434
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: guess plus probably isn't there ord but you know, like

435
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: when you get a blister and it fills up with

436
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: that like clear liquid or what you know, Because if

437
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: he had a burn, it could have blistered and it

438
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: could have been the remnants of like the clear goo.

439
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't know, wouldn't have been green, would be

440
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: a sign of a larger issue, and that would have

441
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: been a parent I would presume larger. I mean, he

442
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: was dead. There was a sign of a larger issue already.

443
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 1: Is there a larger issue? Yes, there is actually yeah,

444
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: you have an infect yeah yeah. Yeah. So we have

445
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: theories there. People have got a lot of theories about

446
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: this one. Uh. First, the first theory, this is a

447
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: big favorite out there, which is UFOs. Yeah. Yeah, so

448
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: Sigmund was abducted by you fo. He died of fright

449
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: from his experience, uh, and they dropped his body on

450
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: the coal pile and high tailed it out of there.

451
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, so the evidence for this is it did

452
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: not appear that sigma they climbed the coal pile. And

453
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: also when you want to talk about the coal pile, yeah, yeah,

454
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: I have huge issues with the nobody claimed the coal pile. Okay, yeah, no,

455
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: I've wondered about that one too, to be honest. Okay,

456
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: finished that, we'll talk about we'll talk about the evidence

457
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: for this. Yeah. Yeah. Also, his last name was Adomski.

458
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: And it turns out there's a very famous ufologist or

459
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: an upologist I can't remember, FOLLOGISTO follogist named George Adomski.

460
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: I think he was. I don't know if he was

461
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: dead by that time or not. He died in nineteen

462
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: he's pretty dead. Yeah, And so according to the papers,

463
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: at least, that can't be a coincidence. So the obdumption

464
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: in this theory could possibly have been a case of

465
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: mistaken identity alien. Yeah, they looked in the phone book.

466
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: There he is. Uh. And the aliens would account for

467
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: the strange burns too. It might be one of them

468
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: in the spaceship was playing with the phase plasma rifle

469
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: in the fort Wat range and maybe had a gun accident. Uh.

470
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: And the Yeah, and you know, I went on the burns.

471
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: Of course was done to that I identifiable because it

472
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: was alien and origin. Well, it could have been the

473
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: neck breath, right, it could have been like a holding

474
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: device that overheated. And yeah, it could have been something

475
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: like that too. I don't know. I'm just loving the

476
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: idea of the aliens, like, oh crap, oh crap, we

477
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: killed quick, get rid of the body, the body, Why

478
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: are we gonna done it? Well, it's says there's a

479
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: coal miner. Okay, there's a pot of cool over there

480
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: out of here that looks like a soft place for him.

481
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: Drop him. Okay. Of course, another reason you haven't might

482
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: not have been identified as the corner didn't try too

483
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: hard to Again, I don't know how much testing they

484
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: did of that. It could have really doesn't sound like

485
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: they tried very hard. It could have been they just

486
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: sort of smelled it and said hot, doesn't smell like

487
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: anything I know, And that's about it. This is nineteen eighties,

488
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: so it's not as if they can just stick it

489
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: in the mass spectrometer or whatever it is. It is

490
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: a mass spectrometer. Yeah, okay, I was guessing that the name.

491
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: But it's not like they can just take a sample

492
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: and pop it in there and figure out what it's

493
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: based components is and just like c S I goooo

494
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: oh it's used in this and that and this and that.

495
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: We know what it is. Yeah, it's this, it looks

496
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah. Typically, you know, when it comes to

497
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: testing for this or testing for that, it's like you

498
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: have to actually be looking for it, so you know,

499
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: you can't just pop it in there and then it

500
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: just says, oh it's this. You know, you test to

501
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: see if it's this, this, this or this, and if

502
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't fall on one of those things, well okay,

503
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: what we can do some more testing or we can

504
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we don't care. Yeah, I mean yeah,

505
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: finding it's very small potatoes in the study. Yeah, finding

506
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: ointments on burns. It's not exactly you know, a big deal.

507
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: It's not a huge thing. But you were talking about

508
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: about the whole no marks on the coal pile. Yeah,

509
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: so this is the biggest load of who we I've

510
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: ever heard of. Ken, Okay, Joe tell me this. Where

511
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: was this coal pile located? Again? It was located next

512
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: to the train tracks and next to the train station. Okay,

513
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: And what do trains do when they're moving trains, they

514
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: go to those two Those things are correct, but they

515
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: also they cause a lot of vibrations in their starting

516
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: and stopping processes. And if you've ever seen a pile

517
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: of anything that's about the size of these coal nuggets,

518
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: here's something that makes a lot of vibration. Those piles move.

519
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: So we could very easily have been one and two

520
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: trains came in and out of the station, and that

521
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: was enough to to soften the indentations that were done

522
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: by somebody's feet. There are a little a little rainfall perhaps,

523
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, and think about it. The paramedics come running up,

524
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: so they've already disturbed the scenes and the fact that

525
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: there's no indentations. I was gonna say, I just yeah,

526
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: I think you know. They probably said to the paramedics

527
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: like which one of like are those years and they

528
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: said probably yeah. But the thing about it is, too

529
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: is if you're standing at the base, if you're paramedic,

530
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: and the body is like say you know, yeah, ten

531
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: feed up and it's like ninety degrees around the pile,

532
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: you don't go up here and then over the body.

533
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: You go around to the base below the body and

534
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: go straight up. So it might have been that they

535
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: traced right over the tracks exactly. That's yeah. So that's

536
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: like I'm thinking that that much activity in that area

537
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: probably soften the indentations. And then you got these guys

538
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: who first responder's job is to get to the body

539
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: and help the individual. They can't be completely you know,

540
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: they can't do Oh, we've got to take the securitis

541
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: they know. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know, of course,

542
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: I I you know, I don't. I don't know. If

543
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: they climbed up there, it might have been thought, you know,

544
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: that looks dangerous. We'll just rocks just so, rocks at

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: the body until it slides down to us. Okay, Yeah,

546
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened to you. Probably not they

547
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: especially if you think they turned him over. Yeah, they

548
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: did actually touched up Yeah, I think so. But and

549
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: also and as far as the UFO theory goes, remember

550
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Alan Godfrey, the policeman, he was involved in the Todd

551
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Morton UFO. Yeah, well, he was, as I said, also

552
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: on the scene for this crime. Uh. And he's he's

553
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: familiar with this case. He was interviewed actually years later

554
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: about this and he is he said it was quote

555
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: a load of rubbish referring to the UFO theory. Well there, Yeah,

556
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: so even though God for himself, you know, totally believes

557
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: he encountered a UFO, he's not not buying into it

558
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: in this particular case. Yeah, uh, this is this is

559
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: There's another theory out there that I found on Reddit

560
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: of all places, which is that he had a stroke,

561
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: and he had a stroke while he was shopping for

562
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: groceries and just sort of wandered off in a daze,

563
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: and then some good Samaritans took him in and took

564
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: care of him, hoping that he'd come to his senses

565
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: and that they could get him back to where everybody

566
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: he belonged. But then when he croaked after five days,

567
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: they just had to get rid of the body because

568
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: apparently even though they were good Sumaritans, they weren't quite

569
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: actually that good, and they wanted to avoid contact with

570
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the police. So anyway, what do you guys think of

571
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: that theory? He could have wandered away from the Good

572
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 1: Samaritan home on his own and they broked. I mean,

573
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, he could have saw the coal and thought,

574
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: oh I know that, Why do I know that I'm

575
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: going to climb up there and something familiar. Yeah, I

576
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: thought strokes tended to leave some pretty obvious signs. Oh yeah,

577
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. And I'm sure since they were a

578
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: little iffy and the cause of death, I'm sure they

579
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: looked at his brain and the autopsy and apparently there's

580
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: there was no evidence of a stroke that showed up

581
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: in the autopsy. That That's the other thing I hate

582
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: about this series, that is, I mean, seriously, you're gonna

583
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: find some guy who's wandering around today as you You're

584
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: not going to call the police or something and the

585
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: hospital or something. And then even after that, when the

586
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: police are like doing this investigation, you're not going to

587
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: go oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah.

588
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: I helped him out, but he wandered off. I didn't

589
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: say anything, yeah exactly. So So okay, not the best

590
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Reddit theory I've ever come across. But you know, you know,

591
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I I find all the theories and plug

592
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: him in there, good or bad, it's not a good one. Uh.

593
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: And there's a kind of similar theory, which was lightning. Yeah,

594
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: I know, a similar thing. He was struck by lightning,

595
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: became disoriented, and the shirt cut fire, so he took

596
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: it off, his watch melted or at least got really hot,

597
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: so he took it off to Stars of Walt. I

598
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to that his watch was hot. Yeah, yeah,

599
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: it was hot at some point. Yeah. And then he

600
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: wandered around for five days because of the lightning, you know,

601
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: mixing up his brains. And then when he finally saw

602
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: that coal pile, he was like, yeah, something familiar. So

603
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, climbed the pile because it's cool. I love cool,

604
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and he did have hard issues actually,

605
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: and so if he did climb the pile, it's conceivable

606
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: the exertion, you know, caused him to have a heart attack.

607
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Nothing that was about this theory makes any I was

608
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: going to say, because you know, if if a stroke

609
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: leaves a whole lot of evidence getting struck by lightning,

610
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: he would think he's going to leave way more evidence

611
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: on your body. Yeah, you would think, especially if we're

612
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: saying his watch melted, well, like not on his wrist.

613
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: It didn't write or like marks on his wrist. And

614
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, his shirt caught on fire. Surely his jacket

615
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: would have been singed at least, you know that his

616
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: hair would have been all singed to that. Yeah, so

617
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: another another terrible theory, the lightning one. It's another sery.

618
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: He left to start a new life, but he got

619
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: distracted by a coal pile and died on top of it.

620
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: He just loved Cole so much. Yeah, I know, yeah

621
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: he did, and so I can't believe what it could

622
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: have been. He's leaving, starting new life, and he's saying

623
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: goodbye not just to his wife and his family, but

624
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: also to coal and you know, he had to go

625
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: reminisce with the coal pile just a little bit longer

626
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: before he left and had a heart attack and died.

627
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: I like this sory that's it for this episode. Yeah, uh,

628
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: suicide Now I'm not buying that one, guys. Yeah. Another

629
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: possibility is sigmatic girlfriend supposing he wasn't as into the

630
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: wedding and the whole family scene as everybody thought. Maybe,

631
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: and this is conceivable. I mean, there are people out

632
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: there who lead double lives, So maybe he just thought

633
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: and then there was a little bit of tension in

634
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: the family over the wedding. Frankly I had heard, and

635
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: so maybe he just decided, you know, screw this, screw

636
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: these people, I'm just gonna go to my girlfriends and

637
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: just hang out there for several days, you know, and

638
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: and just blow the whole thing off. And then at

639
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: some point, well you know, he was gonna go home,

640
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: but then he has his heart attack and dies, and

641
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: then whoever he was staying with is said, oh, this

642
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: is gonna be embarrassing. So I'll tell you what I'll

643
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: do is I'll dress the body up and get rid

644
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: of it and put the clothes on. Dumpton. This one

645
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: might explain the shirt being gone, because I'm thinking that

646
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: dressing somebody in their vests and their jacket is not

647
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: probably not that easy if they're dead either, But I

648
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: mean the shirt would be comparatively harder, I would think so.

649
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe the shirt had lipstick on it or

650
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: some other kind of DNA evidence. So the hard part

651
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: about this, By the way, I don't remember seeing this

652
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: anywhere else. What I was thinking about, Like, you know,

653
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: people who have a thing on the side, usually they

654
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: don't want to mix their two lives because it's an

655
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: outlet and an escape. And by doing what you've you've

656
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: theorized he would have done and saying screwed, I'm just

657
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: gonna hang out here the whole time, and those people

658
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: can just blow off. Well, that lets the genie out

659
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: of the bottle. Everybody now knows that you're screwing around,

660
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: and suddenly you don't get that that best of both

661
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: worlds that people who do this or after flies in

662
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: the face of why he would have, you know, a

663
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: girl on the side, Well exactly that. That is the

664
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: problem is that if he had a girl on the side,

665
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: he would have been more discreet about it. He wouldn't

666
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: have gone over to her place for five days. Well,

667
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: here's something I will bring up, which isn't is not

668
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: a nice truth to be facing, But there are people

669
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: in this world who, when faced with um, the serious

670
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: illness of a spouse, particularly one that's potentially getting progressively

671
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: worse and worse, just run away instead of staying around

672
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: to take more and more care of that person. So

673
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: it's possible that he had had this girlfriend and you know,

674
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: she was fulfilling the needs that his wife wasn't anymore

675
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: because she wasn't able to anymore, and was just realizing,

676
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't take care of my wife anymore.

677
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: And that's why he ran off, and he was intending

678
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: to run off forever. It's possible. It's not likely, but

679
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: it's more possible than I mean, it helps explain why

680
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: he might have gone, you know, just been okay with

681
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: exposing quote unquote the double life, that he was just

682
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: ready to leave. But again, I don't I don't think

683
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: it's a good theory. No, it's there's no, not really

684
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: much of anything in the way of evidence for it.

685
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it doesn't care for a few

686
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: things like the body being being apparently sort of looks

687
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: like the body might have been dressed by somebody else

688
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: after death and maybe so what kind of account for that.

689
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't explain where the body turned up on top

690
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: of a cold Oh no, not at all. That's not

691
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: the screen. That's not the way I would choose to

692
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: dump a body. Because they were talking about like in

693
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: a lot of coal yard and dragging it up to

694
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: the top of a coal pile right next to some

695
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: train tracks and train station. Well, I guess. And the

696
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: other thing for me, when we talk about all of

697
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: these theories that had don't have him going to the

698
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: coal pile on his own, I'm willing to say, like

699
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: it would have been really easy for one set of

700
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: tracks to disappear, But the set of you know, some

701
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: person dragging a body up a cold thing seems a

702
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: little more like that would have been more obvious. It

703
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: does not. It does seem to me like most likely

704
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: he got out there on his under his own power,

705
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: because why the hell would anybody else drag somebody's dead

706
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: body up to the top of you. I still question

707
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: that they Okay, let's just run down this this this alley.

708
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't actually think that if he was already dead

709
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: when he out to the coal yard, that they necessarily

710
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: had to drag him in, because what was the guy

711
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: who was running the coal yard Parker? Okay, Trevor Parker's

712
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: job may have been to shut and lock the gates.

713
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: But Trevor Parker may not have been good at fulfilling

714
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: all of his duties, and so he shut the gate.

715
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: He did not, however, lock it, and therefore somebody could

716
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that guy always shuts the gate,

717
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: but he doesn't lock it. You drive your car in.

718
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: It's much faster to drive your car in and drag

719
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: the body into a spot. Now, maybe they're hoping that

720
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: more coal comes and the body gets buried. I don't know,

721
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't I can't imagine that in

722
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: a yard of any size that you would want to

723
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: be dragging the body that wasn't a ten ft up

724
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the coal the coal pile, though I don't don't, I

725
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: don't have an answer to that, but I could that

726
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: somebody was, you know, doing the fireman carry or the

727
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: the old the Agatha Christie mystery where they drag him

728
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: in the heels are making lines in the dirt. But

729
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: that's the dragon I'm not talking. I don't care about

730
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: the dragging through the yard. I'm worried wondering about the

731
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: ten feet up a coal pile. Is the dragging that

732
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: I feel like girlfriend was a bodybuilder, was a national

733
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: shot put champion h and she threw him. Or maybe

734
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was actually his boyfriend. I mean, maybe he

735
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: wasn't national shot put chip because yeah, yeah, I'm just

736
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: saying that. It seems like if you're dragging a body

737
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: ten feet up, there's gonna be some significant even with

738
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: trains and all that stuff, it seems like there would

739
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: be some marks. Yeah, there would there would be significant marks,

740
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: and there there's a risk of being seen and everything.

741
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I do think the idea about coming any of the

742
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: supposing the gates were locked. But supposing that it was

743
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: one of the delivery guys, because Cole was delivered to

744
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: the yard. So those supposing of Trevor or whoever is

745
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: out delivering things, that the gates are locked and maybe

746
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: the delivery drivers had keys or you know, and so

747
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, it might have been somebody who actually had

748
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: a key to the law. There was no delivery, thought

749
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: there were no deliveries. But but but I'm saying that

750
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: if the guy, the delivery person has a set of

751
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: keys and he knows and he had no yeah, he'd

752
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: so even though that wasn't his day to deliver, but

753
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: he still had access to the yard and you know,

754
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: and so it could have been that could have been.

755
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: Still to me, it still does not make sense as

756
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: a place to dump a body. Yeah, but anyway, that

757
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: that's so we kind of got a little off track

758
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: there with the theory was you know, the girlfriend he

759
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: died and you know, I know, so, um, I'm not

760
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: certainly this is not a great theory. Okay, let's move

761
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: to the next one. Uh, there's another theory out there

762
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: in the webs, which is an accident thought is that

763
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: he was on the coal pile and unbeknownst to him,

764
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: the coal had started combusting. It does happen if you

765
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: have coal. It's sometimes will will combust deep within a

766
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: pile and you can't and tell there's no open flames

767
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but deep down there is burning

768
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and putting out poisonous gases like carbro monoxide, etcetera. And

769
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: when these when the coal fires like this happened, they

770
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: burned for a long time and then eventually if they

771
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: do reach the surface and suddenly boost, they ignited. But yeah,

772
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: coal can that could actually happen with coal. Uh, And

773
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: so maybe Signal, for whatever reason, was on the pile

774
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and inhaled carbro monoxide, etcetera. And died of carbon monoxide poison.

775
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, but you know, maybe I don't know, doctor,

776
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then why was he even was

777
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: he on the pile? Well that's a good question. Well

778
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: there's that. There's also the question of, you know, the

779
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: police and the medical personnel who were on the site

780
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: later and nobody got sick or noticed any ill effects

781
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: from gas or anything like that. Well, also, he was

782
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: on the top of the pile. He wasn't like stuck

783
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: in a room with CEO two like all like he

784
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: could have been feeling like faint and then just turned

785
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: over and everything would have been fine. There's that too,

786
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, there is a quite I think there was

787
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: plenty of other air wafting through the area, so I

788
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't see how he could have. So this

789
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: is again I think I also saw this one out

790
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: on Reddit. So Reddit, you're not doing so well today

791
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you guys. You know, usually you

792
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: guys are more on your game than this, but you know,

793
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: the theory is out there, so I just had to

794
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: include it. And again I just think it fails on

795
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: a few fronts. Yeah, and uh, there's another one. Uh,

796
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of like hypothesized by the

797
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: police at the time, which is there was a misadventure

798
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: with the coal truck. Actually, you know, aside from the

799
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: fact that we've already talked about there were no actual

800
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: deliveries there were in those days. I do like this theory.

801
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: This makes a lot, This makes on the outside, made

802
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, makes everything, yeah, except yeah it does.

803
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: And the theory was is that somehow Sigmund fell or

804
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: jumped it was pushed into the back of a coal

805
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: truck which eventually delivered its load of coal to the

806
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Tomlin coal yard with Sigmund in the coal um. But

807
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: of course Trevor Park shot theory down because he said, well,

808
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: there are no coal deliveries to the yard on that day,

809
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: nor the day before or the day before that. Uh, so,

810
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: so much for that idea. And also I guess the

811
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: other thing is that it does seem like he would

812
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: be more covered in coal, he might have more cold closing. Yeah,

813
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: there's that. It looks like a chimney sweep at them. Yeah,

814
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: And it still doesn't explain how the hell he winds

815
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: up in the back of a coal truck. By the way,

816
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: there's that one too. Another theory that I was kicking

817
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: around a little bit as well. He worked at the

818
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: coal pit two miles east and so and then what

819
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: twenty two miles east of todd Morten, And of course

820
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: the coal pit was was served by rail. So what if,

821
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: for whatever reason he had to go to the coal pit,

822
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: something happens. Maybe it's something kind of like our Dave

823
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: Box episode where the guy is like, you know, whistle

824
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: blew or god knows whatever reason and he's murdered or

825
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: something at at at work, and so they just tossed

826
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: him into a rail car that's full of coal and

827
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: then and then it goes off, you know, by rail

828
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: to todd Moore and where somebody there you know, pulls

829
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the body out and puts it on the pile. But

830
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: I checked it out and that there does not appear

831
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: to be a direct rail connection between the Lofthouse coal

832
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: pit and todd Morden real estate. Well, also, he was

833
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: gone for five days and I thought it turned out

834
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: that he had died. I know, well they held they

835
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: held him prisoner at the at the coal pit. Okay,

836
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, fat him really well and shaped him

837
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: and stuff exactly. I mean, yeah, I was thinking like

838
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: he could have gotten in the coal truck by hitching

839
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: a ride, and maybe he was a little lazy, you know.

840
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: And he saw a friend of his and he was like,

841
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to buy some potatoes. Can you give me

842
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: a lift to the store. I'll just top on the

843
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: back here, and somehow fell in or something. I don't know.

844
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: The friend forgot he was there and just delivered him,

845
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: or he didn't even tell money. I don't know. I

846
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: don't know. But again, it doesn't really account for the

847
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: five missing days. So yeah, it does not account for that.

848
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: And again it's like, well, also it doesn't count for

849
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: how high up the body was. I mean, your average

850
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: even if it's a dump truck and everything, it's kind

851
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: of hard to imagine a body winding up that high

852
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: up from being dumped on the while. I mean maybe

853
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's yeah, And I don't think they

854
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: had rail delivery either to the to the yard, because

855
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: if they had had rail delivery, which would it would

856
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: make sense kind of just right next to the railroad tracks,

857
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: but they would kind of have to have a separate

858
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: rail spur. Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't remember

859
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: a spur going into the yard. I looked at the arials,

860
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: and usually you know that, Well, if a spur is

861
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: totally not being used anymore, they will sometimes take up

862
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: the tracks, but you can usually tell from there's evidence

863
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: left behind arials. You can usually sort of see and

864
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of a spur there. Okay, Well, yeah,

865
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: so that that's so much for that theory. Um, there's

866
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: another theory. This is kind of more plausible, that he

867
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Yeah, Sigma's family actually believed he had been

868
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: kidnapped and by As I mentioned earlier, there was some

869
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: bad blood apparently between him another member of the extended family.

870
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: And this sory comes to us from Bufora, the British

871
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: UFO Research Association Flora. Yeah, Bufora, not Buffora. Okay, Bufore

872
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: about ten years ago team members of Bufforea looked into

873
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: Sigma's death. They wrote a report about it, which you

874
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: can find on the webs if you look hard enough.

875
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: And I have a copy of it right here. No,

876
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to find. It's got pictures and everything.

877
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and uh I've read it anyway, so you

878
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: don't have to. Don't worry about finding it. The authors

879
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: of the report are John Hanson and David Sanky. Uh

880
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: and they actually did, I think a fairly decent report.

881
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: You guys read it right. It was not sensationalist at all.

882
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: Forward right, straightforward. They researched as well as they could

883
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, came to a reasonable conclusion. Uh.

884
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: So the authors tried to get ahold of police and

885
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: corners records. Of course they were giving the run around.

886
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: They did interview Alan Godfrey, the policeman, since he was there,

887
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: he'd be an obvious choice, and that was when they

888
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: got the quote from him saying it was a blow

889
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: of rubbish. They also spoke to a few members of

890
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: Sigmund's family and they concluded UFOs were not involved. The

891
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: report mentions one person who was named who told the

892
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: UFO research is that what had happened was that Sigmund

893
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: out of falling out with a member of the family. Recently,

894
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: apparently another member of the family who was a female

895
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: had left her husband, who was a person that he

896
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: had falling out with, gotten restraining order against him and

897
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: husband against the husband. It was staying with Sigmund and

898
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: Lottie temporarily and so, uh, probably the husband is the

899
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: family member that Buffera Bouffora excuse me mentions, uh. And

900
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: they state that his identity is known, but they don't

901
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: give us his name, and I assume they do that

902
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: for legal reasons. Makes sense. Yeah, Uh, So the allegation

903
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: is that this person, then this is all guess this

904
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: is not just a theory in their part. Somebody else

905
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: alleged this who apparently was supposed to be in and

906
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: what we don't know who he is, damn it. But

907
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: the allegation is that this husband abducted Siegmund, locked him

908
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: in the garden shed for several days, and Sigmund was

909
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: trying to escape and somehow came into contact with battery

910
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: acid or some of the kind of corrosive agent which

911
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: caused the burns on his neck and shoulders. But then

912
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: apparently Sigmund died and then whoever was holding him had

913
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: to get rid of his body. And this Dad's got

914
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: a little support from Ladyadovski, who Sigma's wife, who said

915
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: after Sigma disappeared, before his body appeared, that she believed

916
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: that he had been kidnapped. It does least some questions,

917
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: I answered, like, for one, uh, what what could his

918
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: kidnapper or kidnappers have hoped to accomplish by kidnapping him

919
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: locking up in a shed for several days. I have

920
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: one idea, what's that just stopping him from attending the wedding? No.

921
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking that if it is the estranged husband,

922
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: this husband and guys do this decide that Sigmund and

923
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: his wife were had a thing going on the side,

924
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: and that's why he she left him and went to

925
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: live with them, And so he's gonna get revenge on

926
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: this bastard for fooling around with my wife or Sigmunds

927
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: seemed like sorry, it seems like he was kind of

928
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: a ternal figure for the family. I mean he was gonna,

929
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, give his goddaughter away. And you know, maybe

930
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: it's that this guy was like, well, well, Sigmund is

931
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: the only thing keeping me away from my wife. It

932
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be some sort of relationship thing.

933
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: It can literally be like he's the man of this house.

934
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe he had a shotgun and said, listen,

935
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: you come near your you know, estranged wife again, I'll

936
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: shoot you. And you know, the guy thinks, all right,

937
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: well I'll just kidnap him, and then I have easy

938
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: access to my wife and surely she'll be coming right

939
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: running back to me. You can still see the error

940
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: of my way of her ways. And then it turns

941
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: out no, maybe not. And I think the estranged husband

942
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: was he the one that was supposed to be giving

943
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: away that the god daughter at the wedding but couldn't

944
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: because of the restraining order. Does that sound familiar? I

945
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: could have been that. Well, now again it's another unnamed person.

946
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Apparently there was somebody else who Sigmund felt was actually

947
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: the person who should have been giving away the god

948
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: the god daughter instead of him, and so there was

949
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: some contection. I don't know that they were the same

950
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: person or not, because again we're on another unnamed person

951
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Well, I guess I have a couple

952
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: of questions regarding and kidnapping right. One is they said

953
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: he was like well fed. Yeah, And I don't know,

954
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: like do you wealth feed and hydrate and give all

955
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: the creature comforts to your captives that you have hidden

956
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: up in your sheds? Uh? You know, yeah, it depends

957
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: at the point of kidnapping to make it kind of

958
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: miserable for that person, do you would think? Yeah, so

959
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: that it depends on what I tend to do with them.

960
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes I start them sometimes, Yeah, that's you know, that's

961
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: a problem I have to Usually there would be like

962
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: ligature marks around wrists or some other well you think

963
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: it would be otherwise restrained. The average garden shed is

964
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: not that stout, you know, so you think you'd want

965
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: to time up. And there were there. I didn't read

966
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: about any sort of like handcuff marks or rope marks

967
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Yeah, So I don't know. Maybe

968
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: maybe it was kept kind of in a semi drug state. Also,

969
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: maybe it's possible again that I mean, even if even

970
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: if that's right, even if this particular person abducts you

971
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: and has him in the garden shed, why the coal pile, Like,

972
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: why not just go, well, he's dead in my backyard shed.

973
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: Why don't I go next to the shed, dig a

974
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: big hole and cram him into it. There's that and

975
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: just disposed of the body that way. There's I think

976
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: I can think of many, many lower profile ways to

977
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: get rid of a body wood chippers. Even if you

978
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: drive them out in the woods and just push him

979
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: into the creek, you know, that's you're still at least

980
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot less lack that he gets seen into the

981
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Yeah, I mean, there's a hole. But

982
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: that's why driving miles with a body or twenty miles

983
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: with a body in the back of your car, and yeah,

984
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: well it might not have been twenty miles. I don't

985
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: know where this guy lived. He might have actually lived

986
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: near Todd, I don't know. But that's weird. Yeah, it's

987
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: it's it's really inexplicable. I wonder if this was a

988
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: weekend at Bernie's kind of scenario, how they got there,

989
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: they actually got there on the train. They went next

990
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: to the stop, and so the guy was carrying him around,

991
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, with the arm at the back of his shirt,

992
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: turning his head around like talking. Yeah, I had big

993
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: three legged walk the coal yard. Yeah, that's how that happened.

994
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: Probably go to the top of the coal yard ever,

995
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: look around. But yeah. One of the things about this

996
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: that's really kind of intriguing to me is that the

997
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: Sigmund was a coal miner and his body was found

998
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: on a pile of coal, and so it makes me

999
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: wonder if somebody was maybe sending a message. I don't

1000
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: know what the message was, and why it wouldn't be

1001
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: why they wouldn't have just dropped him at the coal

1002
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: mine where he worked, instead of this coal stockpile somewhere else. Yeah.

1003
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Well yeah, again, well maybe the coal mine was all

1004
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: full of people. Maybe, you know, maybe this yard and

1005
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: everything was actually a pretty sleepy little place and there

1006
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: were there weren't that many people around. Todd Moreton is

1007
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: a tiny, little, tiny little village. Yeah, But I just

1008
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: don't understand but that it could just be a coincidence

1009
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: that he was found on a pile of coal. I

1010
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: don't know. It just seems to me that there's something

1011
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: going on there, Like was there a little labor unrest

1012
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: out the mine and maybe manager decided to grab some

1013
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: random coal miner and murder him and drop him out

1014
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: a pile of coal just to send a message. And

1015
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Uh. And then it was the

1016
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: locktest call your disaster in nineteen seventy three, which I'm

1017
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: sure you guys have heard about. Who hasn't. Yeah, Yeah,

1018
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: the long story short, Uh, somebody kind of dropped the

1019
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: ball and part of the Yeah, giant cock up it

1020
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: really was. And but without getting into a great detail

1021
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: unless you guys wanted to get into great detail. Now,

1022
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: the government official did not do the proper survey job

1023
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: they yeah, and so and so the mine was at

1024
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: least part of it was flooded with about three million

1025
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: gallons of water. Uh. Seven miners died, and of course

1026
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: there was a bit of a stink about the whole thing.

1027
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: The political career was made out of it, Yeah, and

1028
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: died off of it too. So could maybe signal to

1029
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: somehow been involved in this disaster. Did somebody kidnap and

1030
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: it was part of some sort of revenge plot? Or

1031
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: am I just grasping a straw. I think that one, yeah,

1032
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: probably that one. Yeah, I mean that was that might

1033
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of indicate the significance of his body one up

1034
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: on top of a coal pile. Beyond that, I got nothing.

1035
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really don't. I just thought it

1036
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: was kind of intriguing that there was this big disaster

1037
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: where he worked and then he turns up dead on

1038
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: a pile of coal. But the disaster it happened seven

1039
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: years before. Yeah, there was no anniversary or anything like that.

1040
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: Well they do, they actually they pulled things to record,

1041
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean, but his his disappearance and

1042
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: death were not on any kind of anniversary of the um.

1043
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: So again, it doesn't really make a lot of sense

1044
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, but that was another significant event,

1045
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: the coal oriented event in the neighborhood. So I thought

1046
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: I sort of had to ponder for a second whether

1047
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: there might be a connection. But I really can't. I

1048
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: can't either. It's I think there's just an all around

1049
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: a very weird story, and it it's one of those

1050
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: ones that I hate because I don't feel like I

1051
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: feel any different or you know, anything like that actual resolution.

1052
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: There's not a favor theory. No, there's nothing that quite

1053
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: explains everything, you know, even the most plausible one, uh,

1054
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: which is a kidnapping and being held against this will.

1055
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Speaker 1: There's questions. There's still that question of why the coal pile,

1056
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: What the hell why the coal pile is even in

1057
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: the UFO theory? Come on, yeah, I know. Why would

1058
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: the UFO go to a train station which has got

1059
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: people around and everything and dropped the body there? Because

1060
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, because it looked like it was a

1061
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: really cushy place to drop in. That must have been

1062
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: in I don't know. By the way, did you guys

1063
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: read one of those news articles from the time in

1064
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: the newspaper and they had it was accompanied by a

1065
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: little line drawing off your tip of your traditional flying

1066
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: saucer in the air, and then there's this line drawing

1067
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: of coal underneath. And then in between the two is

1068
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: this this silhouette of a body in falling. It was

1069
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: so funny. I was like, wow, they at this point

1070
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: they were just having fun with this. You would have to, oh, yeah, Actually,

1071
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: I've always thought that actually working for the tabloids and

1072
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: writing some of those articles and headlines would actually be

1073
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of a kick. Probably probably would be fun. Yeah,

1074
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: but unfortunately we gotta lead it at that because I

1075
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: don't know there might be somebody out there who's still alive,

1076
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: who still has the answers. I don't know at least

1077
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: one person I think does. Maybe you can help us

1078
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: solve this, Yes, if you're listening, Yeah, give us the rings,

1079
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: drop us in the email speak of email, you might

1080
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: just want to send us one. And well, we happen

1081
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: to have one of those email addresses. It's called Thinking

1082
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Yeah. This is at

1083
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: the end of the episode, by the way, in case

1084
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: you hadn't caught on that. And uh, let's see what

1085
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: else got so many things. We have a we have

1086
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: a website, Taking Sideways podcast dot com. You can download

1087
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: our episodes or listen to them. There you can find

1088
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,879
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1089
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: you can also find it at our episodes in other places.

1090
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: You can find them on iTunes of course, where you

1091
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: can subscribe, give us rating and review. Uh. And also

1092
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: of course there's other places like Stitcher and streaming services

1093
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: all over the place. We're also on social media. We

1094
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: have a Twitter account where we are Thinking Sideways No

1095
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,800
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1096
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,600
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1097
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: Okay you heard that? Did you hear that? Okayo? Uh

1098
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: And and then we're of course on Facebook, where we're

1099
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: thinking Sideways podcast and we have a group and a

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Speaker 1: page so like the page joined the group, and the

1101
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Speaker 1: group's fun, a lot of good stuff going on. We

1102
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Speaker 1: got a subreddit of our very on. Yeah, we we

1103
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Speaker 1: have a little corner of Reddit all to ourselves. It's

1104
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: thinking Sideways and uh I see what else? What am

1105
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: I forgetting Cold Miner's daughter? Oh yeah, time for a song?

1106
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: Have me that guitar? No? I think that's about it? Yes, okay, alright, alright,

1107
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: well until next week. I guess that's it from me.

1108
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: And then Steven Devons so too the little oh bye guys, bye,