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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, at eight pm. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you there. I'm actually excited for the Nuremberg movie. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it looks like maybe they kind of didn't

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Speaker 1: could have. But Russell Crowe is really good casting for

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Speaker 1: Herman Garring.

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Speaker 2: Oh love Russell Crowe.

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Speaker 1: I like, well, I like him as an actor, but

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Speaker 1: he's also like Herman Garring is this guy who was

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Speaker 1: Russell Crowe is a really good guy to pick to

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Speaker 3: Right, Robert Robert Anderson?

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Speaker 1: Hello Anderson, how are you doing?

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Speaker 4: And I also have a Russell crow story, but that's

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Speaker 4: probably you for another it's not as it's not as

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Speaker 4: good as the Bill Gates story or the Doug Wilson

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Speaker 2: It's not as good as both of those.

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Speaker 1: For a second there, I was just thinking about, like

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Speaker 1: and then you just start telling me the plot of

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Speaker 1: the movie. The nice guys like, oh no, no, that's

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Speaker 1: that's based on my actual life with Russell Crow. It

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Speaker 4: Here's Marrow. Yeah, I ran into Russell Crow. This so

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Speaker 4: But I couldn't remember the rest of it. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of three hundred that way, Really, at least

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Speaker 4: At least three hundred yeople die in World War One

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Speaker 1: It's like a bad thirty seconds during the fucking Battle

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Speaker 1: of the Frontiers. Yes, so Heinrik Kimler, you know, starts

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Speaker 1: early stages of the Iraq War. There was a a

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be here. You guys don't understand how bad

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about, like, as a kid, the things

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Speaker 4: Yeah, looking at it and going not it just sucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is, this is a Catholic boy. I am

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Speaker 1: I don't. He's the queen. I forget exactly what the

431
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: term is, but she's the prince's mom. She's somewhere in

432
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: the royalty the queen yeah, yeah, queen aunt or some

433
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: shit like that, to help them get a position in

434
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: an elite infantry regiment. And she does write a letter

435
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: to one of these like elite regiments, being like, please

436
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: accept this young boy. But they're like, look, we're like

437
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: serious ass soldiers, like and like. At this point, the

438
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: German military the elite units are really good. They're protos.

439
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: These are like the storm troopers, the trench fighters. These

440
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: are the guys who we are very careful with them

441
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: because you can't replace these dudes, right, it takes time

442
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: for someone to build up the kind of skill and

443
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: fighting Like we we don't just take We're not going

444
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: to take this sickly weak kid and like put him

445
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: in a unit where he's going to be asked to

446
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: leap into a trench with a knife in one hand

447
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: at a pistol in the other and kill men in

448
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat. He's not ready for that.

449
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody's mom writes a letter to the seals, like.

450
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: Right, like, yeah, he can't lift a forty pound weight,

451
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: but please take him into the Navy seal He's a

452
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: good boy, he's his dad taught my dead son.

453
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: So Heinrich leaves school that year. He has not graduated.

455
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: This isn't really it's dropping out, but not really because

456
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of everyone who is seventeen is doing this either

457
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: to go directly into the military or in Heinrich's case,

458
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be conscripted and as an enlisted man,

459
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: and so he leaves school. So he can get into

460
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: the reserve and try to secure himself a position as

461
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: an officer candidate. He wants to go to officer candidate

462
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: school and handle all that This will let him choose

463
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: a better assignment with at least a more prestigious unit

464
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: than like some ground pound or someone even worse, someone

465
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: in like the back rank who's never going to see combat,

466
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: who's going to be doing like signals or whatever. To

467
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: make a long story short, Gebhard Senior, his father keeps

468
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: using his connections and eventually is able to secure Heinrich

469
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: at posting with a reserve battalion that is like the

470
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: reserve battalion for a pretty good regiment. So these are

471
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: the guys. When that good regiment loses men in combat,

472
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: the reserve battalion sinsman over to fill them back up, right,

473
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: So it's the kind of thing. Well there, Eventually you'll

474
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: get a front line position theoretically. So Heinrich goes off

475
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: to train and he's now in the military. He's doing

476
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: military training to learn to be an officer, and he

477
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: starts writing home and signing his letters as Milaise Heinrich.

478
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: Melaise is Latin for soldier, so he's signing his letters.

479
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Is Heinrich the soldier?

480
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: Now?

481
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay, long Rich writes quote, the brand new warrior expressed

482
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: his manliness, amongst other things, by taking up smoking. In

483
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: contrast to this masculine pose, his almost daily letters to

484
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: his parents in fact reveal the con siderable difficulties he

485
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: had an adjusting to the world of the military. Heinrich

486
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: was homesick. He complained about the poor accommodation and wretched food,

487
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: though on most evenings he could supplant this by going

488
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: to pubs. Oh my, he's not really ready for what war?

489
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 4: And all when all Shapiro on us been Shapiro on

490
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: us pretending like you like cigars.

491
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're still going out to the pub and

492
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: getting pub food, Like you're not doing that bad. Like

493
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: if you think this is bad, what do you see

494
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: what your brother is gonna do? Because yeah, like during war, yeah,

495
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: you going out to the pubs? Okay, yeah, yeah, got it.

496
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: In the spring of nineteen eighteen, his older brother Gebhard

497
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: goes to the Western Front and he winds up being

498
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: part of this last massive offensive the Kaiserschlock I think

499
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: it's called of the German Army in World War One,

500
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: and he experiences heavy combat. His unit loses a lot

501
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: of guys. He is fighting face to face, tooth and

502
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: nail in the trenches like as bad as it gets

503
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: shit like Gebhart is a blooded soldier. By the end

504
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: of this Heinrich in comparison spends his time complaining about

505
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: the food and begging his parents for care packages. He

506
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: receives seven care packages in his first five weeks away,

507
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: but this is not enough, and he writes petulantly home

508
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: in one letter, dearest parents, today again I have got

509
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: nothing from you. That's mean, what the okay? Such a baby?

510
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: There's a fucking way your brother is like ankle deep

511
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: in blood. He is wading through blood, fucking up to

512
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: his knees probably, and storms of bullets and shrapnel. He's

513
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: killing men in a hand to He's watching the light

514
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: drain from their eyes. And you're like, it's seven care

515
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: packages and weeks you don't love me anymore?

516
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: Mom? Not just say you give it a gluten.

517
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Free Come on, you fucking baby. Like Jesus, a million

518
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Germans starved to death during this period of time. And

519
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: you're like, Mummy, my care packages.

520
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: But you stand some goldfish. It ain't got no golfish yeah.

521
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: And it's and geb Hard becomes a Nazi too. He's

522
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: not a sympathetic figure, right, but like it is this

523
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: like discrepancy between his older brother really smart, very good

524
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: in school, fucking bleeding with his brothers, watching all of

525
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: his friends get massacred in this like nightmare apocalypse battle,

526
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: and Heinrich's like, Mommy, you're not writing home enough, you know.

527
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: He sends one letter back to his parents that reads,

528
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: dear mother, thank you so much for your news, which

529
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: I did not get. It's so horrid of you not

530
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: to write again. Oh, this is a day or two

531
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: of letters. And he writes something like thank you for

532
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: the letter that I didn't get. What a dick the

533
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: lady that would your journals?

534
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, now now now you want to talk about

535
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: her huh because she ain't write you no letter?

536
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm good.

537
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, at this point, he's a prick,

538
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: yeah right.

539
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: Like it's you can say that we're starting to see

540
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: the turn.

541
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this kid's a dick.

542
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah you wore one and what you thought it was? Huh? Yeah,

543
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you don't get your

544
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: little snacks. You don't get you a little.

545
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: To You're not he's not even getting shot at.

546
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: And you're not you're not even at war.

547
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: So he eventually gets posted to take a course on

548
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: machine gun uses he's to be Basically, if he'd finished training,

549
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: it would have been like an officer in a machine

550
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: gun unit right on September fifteenth of nineteen eighteen. He

551
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: does not wind up. It's interesting to me that he

552
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: doesn't wind up sent to the front, right, because Germany

553
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: does not have guys. They are they've been bled white

554
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: by this point. A seventeen year old boy even at

555
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: this point, I don't care if he's sickly. He's just

556
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: there for ten minutes until he takes a fucking bullet

557
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: to the law, right, like we just need bodies. And

558
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: so it's interesting that he doesn't just get sent to

559
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: the front. He's had enough training. Guys go up there

560
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: with less. There's a couple of expotential explanations. One is

561
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: that even this late in the war, the German military

562
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: still does try to make sure that their officers have

563
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: a good base of training when they're sent to the front.

564
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: And so maybe it's just that because he's becoming an officer.

565
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: They don't want to rush that, but they do for

566
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and long Wrerich suggests, and this

567
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: is something he can't there's not really hard evidence for this,

568
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: but I think it's a reasonable suggestion that it might

569
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: have been because his superior see kind of what we've

570
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: seen in these letters home that he's immature, and like

571
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: they're like, this guy shouldn't be commanding men in battle. Like,

572
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: like he help Germany, I can tell you that much.

573
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: He a little boy, yeah, Like he's like he's a kid.

574
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: He's a kid.

575
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're willing to send kids to die, but

576
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: we don't maybe maybe we don't want them leading men

577
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: to die. Right, he's just not right. If he's going

578
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: to be an officer, let's keep him away. Un del

579
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: he grows up a little bit.

580
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: You're gonna kill a lot of other people, right, being childish,

581
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: or these men are gonna turn on you because you're

582
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: a child.

583
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna frag your ass, whatever the case. He

584
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: is still in the reserves and still training when Germany

585
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: signs the armistice, so Heinrich Himler never gets the baptism

586
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: of fire that he's so dearly desired. And his brother Gebert,

587
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: on the other hand, does the soldier thing as much

588
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: as you can, right, He gets an iron Cross for valor.

589
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: He gets basically like somewhat equivalents like a medal of

590
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: honor somewhere between, like a bronze or silver star and

591
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: a medal of honor, you know, because there's diferent kinds

592
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: of iron Cross. I don't know exactly, but it's like

593
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: a it's a very prestigious Hitler gets, right, So he

594
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: came home and it's a big deal that he gets

595
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: this and he manages he doesn't get seriously injured over there,

596
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: which is amazing given the kind of combat that he's in.

597
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: He's a lucky guy. And the fact that his brother,

598
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: who's always been better than him is now a war

599
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: hero and a Heinrich misses out entirely. He will never

600
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: get over this. This will color the rest of his life.

601
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: His insecurity over this is something that is present for

602
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: the rest of his days. And you know what else

603
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: was present for all of Heinrich Kimler's.

604
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Life, Oh my god, Capitalism.

605
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I mean sorta, yeah. It was around

606
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: as a factor in Germany. In this period, but also

607
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: products advertisements. Yeah, and we're back and we're talking about

608
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Heinrich Himmler post the big dub dub uno. So Germany's lost.

609
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Heinrich is very much going to fall for the stabbed

610
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: in the back myth, right.

611
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: And part because of surprise, surprise.

612
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: And he's angry both at the Jews and Social Democrats,

613
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: who of course ended the war, which is not the

614
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: military ended the war because they knew that the army

615
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: would have collapsed if they'd kept fighting, right, And they

616
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: blame it on the people who actually take over after

617
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: and negotiate the peace, which is the largely Social Democratic

618
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: government of Weimar at the start of Weimar. And you

619
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: know the I mean particularly one of the negotiators who

620
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: helps ensure the peace, who is a real hero, is

621
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: a Jewish man, right, Matthias Erzberger I think was his name,

622
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: who gets assassinated as a result.

623
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, now here's a good tie to his pass of

624
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: him being like all my having, like he said earlier,

625
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: like all minds like Germany, you know, collecting enemies like

626
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: will stand alone.

627
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: It's all good, you know what I mean? You have

628
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: at it? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

629
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: First of all, had that work out, but you had

630
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: a attitude to where you just like youinforce you against us,

631
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: you a hater like I don't care. You know what

632
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying. We would have never lost because we don't

633
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: give up. We don't mind having enemies, you know what

634
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: I mean. The only way we would have lost was because,

635
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: like you said, somebody had established in the back.

636
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: You feel me, right, and that's the it's not And

637
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: for Heinrich it's not only did we get stabbed in

638
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: the back in Germany was robbed. If it's great victory,

639
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: I was robbed if my chance to be a hero,

640
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: yeah a real.

641
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: Almost personifies it like I was right, Yeah, dang, so

642
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: that's big.

643
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Once the war is over, Heinrich attempted to remain with

644
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: the military, but the old Imperial Army is replaced as

645
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: a result of the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles

646
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: with the Reichs there, right, that's the post war army,

647
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: and it's limited to one hundred thousand men and they're

648
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: not allowed to have like an air force. I don't

649
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: think they're allowed much in the way of artillery. They're

650
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: very much because people are like, yeah, Germany, you got

651
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: to kind of out of pocket. We got to really

652
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: keep a lit on yo asses. Right. Yeah, this is

653
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: going to prove to be a bad idea for a

654
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. The terms of the treaty I don't

655
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: need to get into that. People are broadly familiar. The

656
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: terms of the treaty play into why things happen with

657
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Germany the way they do. But one of the things

658
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: this is going to mean is that, like, Heinrich wants

659
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: a military career, right, uh, and he's not gonna get

660
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: one because the only people who get to stay in

661
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: the military, it's a tiny fraction of the deployed military,

662
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: and those jobs are gonna go to guys who actually

663
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: saw shit, right and who are valuable for some reason.

664
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I have connections, and he's just not gonna have Heinrich's

665
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna try, But like, why the fuck would we give

666
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: you a job of the tiny number of people who

667
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: get to keep military jobs, why would you get it? Yeah,

668
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: Hitler doesn't. And Hitler was actually a decorated combat soldier, right,

669
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: They won't let him in.

670
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: And that's great for me to hear, because it's like,

671
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: like it's like Hitler, I feel like he's like it's

672
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: privilege ain't the word per se.

673
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but he is.

674
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: But it's just like it's supposed to work out for me. Yeah,

675
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, So like why is

676
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 4: this not working out either? Is like had to have

677
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: added to the like pistol.

678
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: And that is That's a huge part of why Himmler

679
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: is the way that he is and why he gets

680
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: drawn into Nazism right is And this is a big

681
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: This is a major factor. And almost everyone who winds

682
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: up kind of especially these a lot of these higher

683
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: up members of the Nazi Party, the people who are

684
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: running the SS. We've talked about this with like Heinrich

685
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: and with Eichman. These guys are people who could come

686
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: from the middle class and upper middle class and I

687
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: was promised more. I'm supposed to be doing better. And

688
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: they're not never doing bad, they're never really suffering compared

689
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: to how other people are, but they're furious because I

690
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: was supposed I was promised more. I'm owed more. Yeah,

691
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: it's a massive factor in all of these guys, and

692
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: it's a massive thing for Himler. So he is able

693
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: to he returns to school under a special program instituted

694
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: by the Post war government to allow young men who

695
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: had dropped out basically because they were either being drafted

696
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: or they were trying to avolunteer and thus had missed

697
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: out on finishing their education to get there. It's kind

698
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: of a mix between like a GED and a high

699
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: school diploma to allow them to go back and finish

700
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: it right. And actually the class that Heinrich is in

701
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: is taught by his father, Gebard Longrich says Gebbard didn't

702
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: show favoritism to his son. Is actually pretty consistent of

703
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: descriptions of him. He wouldn't have really done that. So

704
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: anyway he gets his German GED. I think it's called

705
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: an abbatur or something like that. The first few months

706
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: after the war are rife with socialist uprisings and attempt

707
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: to take and a whole different German cities by leftists,

708
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: which are cracked down on brutally by a mix of police,

709
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: the military and free corps right, which are these groups

710
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: of free corps, these groups of demobilized veterans who are

711
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: murderous thugs used by the new Weimar government to maintain control.

712
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: These guys are far right. The Vymar government isn't. But

713
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: the Vymar government cares more about stopping the left from

714
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: succeeding in this kind of like because they're trying to

715
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: do basically the Russian Revolution two Electric Boogloo and Buyomar's like, well,

716
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: if we got to have these proto Nazis murder a

717
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: bunch of people, as long as it stops that from happening, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: So Heinrich gets political fairly quickly. He gets involved first

719
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: with a center right political party, like it's not the

720
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: far right, but that's kind of his initial more or

721
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: less an analog to like a main line Republican party. Initially,

722
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: and at the end of nineteen nineteen he joins a

723
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Free Corps unit. He is deployed to them, if you

724
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: can call it that, on a couple of occasions, which is,

725
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's unrest or whatever, and the Free Corps

726
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: move out. He does some marching around, he does some

727
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: writing in a car with some guys with guns, but

728
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: he does not engage in any A lot of Frei

729
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Corps are doing fighting. There's heavy fighting and killing. He

730
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: is not involved in any of that. He does not

731
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: see any serious action, I think in general, because even

732
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: as messy as these Free Corps units are they're organized

733
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: and run by people who actually fought and they're like, yeah, this,

734
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: we should keep this kid away from anything serious.

735
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: Look at them. Look at them, dude. You know you

736
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: don't really want to smoke.

737
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want him behind it. I don't want

738
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: him watching my back. You know. Yeah, he doesn't know

739
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: what the fuck he's doing.

740
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: You ain't really with the shits, You just want to

741
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 4: wear the uniform. I do think it's also important to remember,

742
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: like and again, it's hard in our American imagination to

743
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: understand first of all multiple forms of government, but the

744
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 4: type of transition. I feel like this is the first time,

745
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: at least in our age era, where we've seen a

746
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: government totally like lose their marbles, Like we've never seen it,

747
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: Like like our government's lost as marbles, you know what

748
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And like, but at this time, like you said,

749
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: like during Weimart, during the Weimar Republic, I'm like, women

750
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: can vote, Like there's these just these like progressive not progressive,

751
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: but they're these like progressions in culture. Like they're they're

752
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: funding the arts, they're funding some science, and motherfucker's.

753
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: Is pissed off, you know, Like and that's.

754
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 4: Sort of like like, okay, guys, like think about this

755
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: for a second, like these like these are maybe I'm

756
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: having a modern maybe I'm modern pilled, but I'm like,

757
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: it's such an interesting moment, and how the clap back

758
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: from that was so strong, Like it's just I don't know,

759
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: it's just.

760
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: A weird time where I was like, brother.

761
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: Like like this the world like this just the time

762
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: Einstein's from right, Like you're getting like government endowments to

763
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: understand science, you know what I'm saying, Like this, that's

764
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: I thought that was good.

765
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, yep, yep, yep. So uh yeah, Heinrich. You know,

766
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: he's in the Free Court. Part of why he's joins

767
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: this unit is it's he's kind of trying to stay

768
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: in the military after demobilization. He's hoping you can make connections,

769
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work out, and he gets he's out

770
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: of the middle. He's cashiered out. By the summer of

771
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. He begins to work as a laborer on

772
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: a farm. So he's like, you know, he's working on

773
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: a farm, but he doesn't own it. But he gets

774
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: entranced by rural life and he starts sending letters back

775
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: to his parents signed Heinrich Agricola, which is Latin for

776
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Heinrich the farmer. However, that's agriculture, agricola. You can see

777
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: where it comes from. However, the ruthless pace of life

778
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: on a farm disagrees with his fragile constitution. Again, he's

779
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: going to be like a lot of modern far right guys.

780
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: He will idolize homesteading and the small farmer and like,

781
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: this is the life. We need a new nobility formed

782
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: out of, like you know, the rural peasantry. But he's

783
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: never able to really do it because he's he's sickly,

784
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like working hard outside. By September of

785
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: that year, illness had forced him to pause his career.

786
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: Again.

787
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: This is a kid who thought he was ready for

788
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: the fucking trenches and you can't handle farming for like

789
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: more than two months. Three months, He goes to his

790
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: family die doctor who diagnoses him with an enlarged heart

791
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: and prescribes him a one year break to study and

792
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: regain his health. Now, obviously an enlarged heart is a

793
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: serious health issue. I don't think he actually has one,

794
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: because there's not really evidence from the rest of his

795
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: life that he has one. I think this is just doctors.

796
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, they're not like but they're not like doing

797
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: a scan to see his heart's big. Yeah, I don't know.

798
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take more cocaine, you know. So anyway, what's

799
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: interesting here is that and this is fascinating to me.

800
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: Heinrich gets like basically told, hey, go chill out for

801
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: a while, you know, maybe go to school, but don't

802
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: do any hard outdoor labor. So he's like, he's laid

803
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: up sick for a year, unable to work, and he

804
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: starts reading obsessively. And what he starts reading obsessively, for

805
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: the most part, is right wing vulcansh propaganda. So the

806
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: Volcush movement is a syndant in Germany in this period.

807
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: And the literal translation of the word vulcan is just

808
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: like folk or people like it's the people, right, that

809
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: the volkswagon is the people's car, right. The actual meaning though,

810
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: of the word vulk in German doesn't graft directly to

811
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: any term that we have in the English. In a

812
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four book on German ideology in the twentieth century,

813
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: Moss explained George Moss explained volk is a much more

814
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: comprehensive term than people. To German thinkers, ever since the

815
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: birth of German Romanticism in the late eighteenth century, volks

816
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: signified the union of a group of people with a

817
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: transcendental essence. Right, there's this added to this idea the

818
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: Nazis will popularize of like the Volkska mind shaft, which

819
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: is like the people's racial community.

820
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 4: That kind of sounds like that sounds like, well like

821
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: hip hop when we say like the culture, right, Like

822
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: it kind of sounds like like what we would say

823
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: about Drake, Like you know, he's not like us, Like

824
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: you're not a part of the culture like that.

825
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah's what's important. Obviously, I don't think that's not like

826
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: an inherently problematic. The culture, like referring to it that

827
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: way is a problematic. But the fact that you bring

828
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: up the exclusion of people, Yes, there's always a degree

829
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: of exclusion.

830
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an in group out group.

831
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah we're talking about is like this is like a subculture, right,

832
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: this is a subculture that's particularly relevant to like this

833
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, artistic movement. It's one thing he is talking

834
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: about the Vulcans. These are the people who deserve to

835
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: have rights and who are German? And the Vulcan excludes

836
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who live in Germany. Right,

837
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: He's not just talking about He's talking about specific kinds

838
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: of people, right. And the Volcoush movement is emphasizing specific

839
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: kinds of Germans who deserve to have rights and who

840
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: need to breed in order to expand their numbers. Right.

841
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: And this is where this is, like the root of

842
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: Nazi racial ideology is the Volcish movement, you know. And

843
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: the Volcush movement is obsessed with exclusion. You know, it

844
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: is defined not by who lives within the boundaries of

845
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: a nation, but who the right wing things ought to

846
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: be included in this racial community. In his book Hitler's

847
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: Master of the Dark Arts a history of Hitler's interest

848
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: in the occult, author Bill Yen describes the Volcish movement

849
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: as part of the counter culture in Germany, and he

850
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: argues that it's modern analog would be the nineteen eighties

851
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: New Age movement. Right, that this is very similar to like,

852
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: you know that this all this interest that starts popping

853
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: up in yoga and Eastern mysticism, Buddhism, Hinduism and all

854
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: that stuff. In the eighties in like the US is

855
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: very similar to what's happening and what the Vocalus movement

856
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: is a part of this broader interest in mysticism and

857
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: alternative religion.

858
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: In the twins in alternative history.

859
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Right, including a big thing that is big in Germany

860
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: in this period. Buddhism is big in Germany, right, not

861
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: a super accurate take on Buddhism, but like course their

862
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: attitude of it as well as people get obsessed in

863
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the West with like ancient Egyptian occult

864
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: ceremonies and religion, and like the Eda's right, these kind

865
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: of Norse sagas that are like part of this, like

866
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: religious the prosatas like that is big too, and so

867
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: like Norse mythology and religion, you know, worship of deities

868
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: like Wotan, right, starts to become big, and it's all

869
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: tied into the Vocus movement is a part of it.

870
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: It's related to all of this stuff.

871
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 4: Well, that definitely wasn't the comparison I was making. Yeah,

872
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: as far as like the culture, what I would trying

873
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: to say is like the term is not a literal

874
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: translation and that the edges are more like foggy or cloudy,

875
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: but like we know.

876
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: What we mean when we say it, you know what

877
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

878
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is I think it is very relevant

879
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: to compare it to and to compare it to like

880
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: the modern day the UFO movement and stuff. All these

881
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: things feed into QAnon that have fed into the far right.

882
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: The fact this happened before, right, Yeah, Like.

883
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like this weird like thing to where it's

884
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: like you get into something that like it's kind of

885
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: like exciting to you whatever. You meet a lot of

886
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: cool folk air quotes. Cool, but at some point you

887
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: have to look at the back of the line and

888
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: be like, oh wait, they're in our line too, Like

889
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: this is this wait, this will if I get further

890
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: into the concentric circle, it's gonna turn in.

891
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: It is like you and you have to consider that.

892
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: So that's yeah.

893
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: So like even if you were just like look like

894
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: like to your point, it's like, you know, especially at

895
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: the New Age movement or stuff like that, or just like, look, dude,

896
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: i think it's better to eat food that was grown

897
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: by human hands and has seeds because a seedless watermelon

898
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: does not exist in nature. I'm saying, so if you're

899
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, I get it. I'm gonna eat things

900
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: with seeds, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, But also

901
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: that means I need to eat drink raw milk, and

902
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: also that means I need to.

903
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: Know I'm saying.

904
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: You're like, well, there's actually like a lot of health

905
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: stuff tied into it, a lot of like, you know,

906
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: natural food shit is tied into it, vegetarianism. I mean,

907
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Hitler's a vegetarian. But part of what's relevant here is

908
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: that these are a lot of people who are not

909
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: initially into far right politics, but they are willing to

910
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: question the mainstream, willing to question you know, scientific orthodoxy

911
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: and cultural orthodoxy. And if you start down that road,

912
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: you can go in a number of directions, but you're

913
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: going to encounter other things that are questioning that orthodoxy,

914
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: including weird far right shit, and then the other aspect

915
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: of it. A lot of this, a lot of this,

916
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: especially more esoteric occult beliefs, where like people are embracing

917
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: getting into magic and getting into these different alternate religions.

918
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: There's an attitude of them to like, because I'm different

919
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: and special, and so if you were saying, yes, you're

920
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: special because you're part of this people's racial community, and

921
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: you have like mythical mystic powers actually that are tied

922
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: to like the ancient, like deep magic woven into our

923
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: people's blood. Well, maybe you go from being into ancient

924
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Egyptian you know, mysticism too far. Rights, that's what I'm saying.

925
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: It's like you already special. Ye, I have powers. Right,

926
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: you can get someone convinced that they're part of the ubermensch.

927
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: You know.

928
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy, Like it's crazy.

929
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: I wonder what it would be like to experience that

930
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: today moment in culture that must be Thankfully.

931
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: We'll never know, prop Ye. So along these more esoteric

932
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: beliefs comes a growing interest in the mythical past of

933
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: the German people. And Himler's always been drawn to this stuff.

934
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: And it's a little like as a kid nerd at

935
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: you're a nerd and into this stuff that's like more

936
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: fringe and you get bullied for and then it becomes

937
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: mainstream as an adult and so suddenly like everybody is

938
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: into this stuff that I've always liked. He joins a

939
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: group called the Artaman League, which sets its goal as

940
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: liberating urban workers and turning them back into peasant Farmers.

941
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: Once he gets sick, Himler starts really reading into this stuff.

942
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: And there's I tie this a lot to the radicalization

943
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: journey a lot of Americans go through during the COVID lockdown,

944
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: where maybe they're sick, maybe they're not, but they're locked

945
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: away from everybody else. They're not going out, and they're

946
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: just kind of obsessively falling down these YouTube rabbit holes

947
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: and like these different like forum message board rabbit holes,

948
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: getting more and more into this weird, like esoteric stuff

949
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: about like vaccines and natural medicine or you know, raise theory.

950
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: That's what's happening to Himler. He's dealing with his own

951
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: versions of that, and he he reads more widely at first,

952
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: before he really zeros in entirely on the Vulcar stuff.

953
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: He reads the volumes of Ossian, which are a fraud

954
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: created by a Scottish guy that was claimed to be

955
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: like ancient Celtic poetry. He devours pamphlets attacking the Freemasons,

956
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: particularly won by Friedrich Witchell. Yen writes. Witchell claimed that,

957
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: among other things, Freemasonry was strongly influenced by the Jews,

958
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: was aiming for world revolution, was overwhelmingly to blame for

959
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: the World War. Himmler agreed and commented a book that

960
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: sheds light on everything and tells us who we have

961
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: to fight first. Here's where it starts. Here's where he

962
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: gets in.

963
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: He is where we start evolving the pokemon.

964
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: There's like these it's a very probably not an experience

965
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: of most of our fan base here. But when like

966
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: me coming from like sort of hip hop circles, but

967
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: like the indie underground, you know, coming out of the

968
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: like conscious movement, like the you know, the most depths

969
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: to qualities where like you're gonna stand on there and

970
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 4: wrap about quasars and pyramids for most of the cipher

971
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: and be into telekinesis.

972
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like.

973
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: Like you're so open minded, your closed minded, Like a

974
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: lot of times you be at these these moments and

975
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 4: we're and we're building, you know what I mean, Like

976
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: it's like the language of like the gods and the

977
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: earths to five percenters.

978
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: I think you may have done like some stuff on him.

979
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: Anyway, but yeah, so a lot of times it's like

980
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: this is my community because this is where the real

981
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 4: hip hop is. But then when you saw start somebody

982
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: start saying something that you're like, my brother in Christ,

983
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: you made that up, that history, didn't That is not history, right,

984
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: but it's but it's a story that it is in

985
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: response to the suppressing of the narrative of like our

986
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: African ancestry, Like you're you're you're suppressing the the in

987
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 4: modern culture and just in modern American history, like the

988
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: role of the African and its descendant is not ever acknowledged,

989
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

990
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: So when someone comes in and.

991
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: Says, well, know, well a black man was doing this,

992
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: and a black man was doing this, and it's like,

993
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, like I love being black just as

994
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: much as the rest of us, but you made that.

995
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: Shit up, like that's not what happened, Like that's not so.

996
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 4: But if you start pushing back like that, they looking

997
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: at you like, oh, a nigga, you would sellout you

998
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: believe in a white man's story, you.

999
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.

1000
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: So so so it's almost like I like, I don't

1001
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: even know how to say to you. This is not

1002
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 4: liberating us, Like I know what you what you think

1003
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: you do it you think, like you said, creating this

1004
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: ubermansh if you will like our black version of it.

1005
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: Like again, a black man is God.

1006
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: We descended the kings, and I'm like some of our

1007
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: ancestors was peasants, my.

1008
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: G Like some of us are raised just raised ghosts.

1009
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 4: And that's okay, you see what I'm saying, because goats

1010
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: feed the war world, so like it's okay, I'm not

1011
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: an Egyptian, I'm not an ancient.

1012
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: I don't come from that, Okay, Yeah, and that's fine.

1013
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: It's just like obsession with like, no, my ancestors were

1014
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: this thing that I think is cool, that represents like

1015
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: a tenth of a percent of the people. And it's

1016
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: like everyone has ancestors who were kings. Everyone has ancestors

1017
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: who were warriors, and everyone's got a lot more ancestors

1018
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: who were fucking dirt farmers or whatever.

1019
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: Right, vast majority of human history from when we went

1020
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: from Homo erectus to Homo sapien was boring as shit.

1021
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: Most of your ancestors, like everyone else, there's people who

1022
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: are just trying to get by.

1023
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, who who never traveled four miles away from

1024
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: where they was born right and raised and raised them kids.

1025
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's great. Yeah, And Himmler. Himmler is instead

1026
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: getting obsessed with, you know, ah, the night these nightly

1027
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: orders that are are Miami's like Germanic, these you know,

1028
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: these knights who were these great warriors who you know,

1029
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: fought back the Muslim tides and or you know before

1030
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: that beat the Romans, like and these are our ancestors,

1031
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: these great you know, heroic Germanic superman. You know. That's

1032
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: that's what he's read. And he's also reading about he

1033
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: gets into you know, anti Semitism through these theories about

1034
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: like the Freemasons and stuff. Now, an interesting historic curiosity

1035
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: is during this period when he's laid up and he's

1036
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: reading obsessively, he also reads the first eight volumes of

1037
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: a magazine titled pro Palestine. Now this has nothing to

1038
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: do with the term in its modern sense. This is

1039
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: a Zionist publication that's made by the German Committee for

1040
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: the Promotion of Jewish Settlement in Palestine. He does not leave. Unfortunately,

1041
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: there's no record of his opinion of this. But it's

1042
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys we talked about. This is Eichmann.

1043
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: A lot of anti Semites from this era go through

1044
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: this period of thinking like, well, maybe this is how

1045
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: we get rid of them, right, Yeah, that's that's probably

1046
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: why he's into it.

1047
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Palstin's got cool guys.

1048
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: Like if we can get them over there, you know, they're.

1049
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: Not like you just go there. We did that.

1050
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: We're here with the slaves, Like, why don't you go

1051
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 4: to Liberia? Yeah, you feel me, just go back to Angola.

1052
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: Everything's fine, just go back to Africa.

1053
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: And that's what this suggests is he's thinking more and

1054
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: more about the US and how to get rid of

1055
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: them right already from a very young age, he's like

1056
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: nineteen at this point. In October of nineteen nineteen, he

1057
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: registers with the Technical University in Munich to study agriculture.

1058
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: Here he made it a priority to seek membership in

1059
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: the first fraternity that would take him, and he wounds

1060
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: up as a NEPO baby getting into his dad's fraternity.

1061
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Now in Germany, during this period, Fratz looked a little

1062
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: different than they do now. They were focused on a

1063
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: lot more on fencing and dueling clubs than anything else.

1064
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: And prior to the war, every young man who's like

1065
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: of a certain class, if you're like the officer class,

1066
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: you want to get in one of these dueling clubs

1067
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: and get a scar on your face. The whole point

1068
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: is for somebody to get to hit you in the

1069
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: face to earn a dueling scar. Like you're not really

1070
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: like you're not really a man of a certain level

1071
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: in society. You don't have one. And a Himmler is

1072
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: bad enough with a sword that it takes him three

1073
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: years to have enough duels to earn his scar. Yen

1074
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Right's potential opponents found Himler a demeaning competitor because he

1075
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: was so small and so frail, and that his stomach

1076
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: troubles make it difficult for him to drink heavily. Now

1077
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: that's one account, and there's some evidence behind it. Long

1078
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: Rich gives a little bit more moderated account of Himmler.

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, in his frat years he writes that he

1080
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: did at least witness multiple duels and wrote, at least

1081
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: it strengthens the nerves and you learn how to take

1082
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: being wounded. He also wrote about drinking. This is him

1083
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: describing in his Diarrhea night out drinking. It was very jolly.

1084
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: I drank eight glasses of wine at twelve thirty. We

1085
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: went home on the train. Most of us were tipsy,

1086
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: so it was very funny. I got a few of

1087
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: the brothers back to their digs and bed at two am,

1088
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: so like he's able to party Somewhat's that's not super

1089
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: intense drinks.

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00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: You know, it was very jolly.

1091
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: It was very Yes.

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00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: I was like, this is yeah, first of all eight

1093
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 4: drinks and you a German man, bro, don't brag on that,

1094
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 4: homie that now if there's anything about your yo jeans,

1095
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: like you should have been able to hail more liquid

1096
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: than that.

1097
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: But I will say like it like it kind of

1098
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: right now, kind of.

1099
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: Sound like the like the guy every time you talk

1100
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 4: to him, like, I'm so sore from the gym.

1101
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: I was lifting it so oh man, I can't sit down, like, man,

1102
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up.

1103
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you have to have your Oh you see

1104
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 4: his broccoli ears because I was rolling, man, I was

1105
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 4: rolling last night. Yeah, okay, bro all okay.

1106
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: His dating profile would be such a nightmare.

1107
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's holding a fish. Is he holding

1108
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: a fish in his dating profile?

1109
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, definitely holding like some crops that he

1110
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: pulled out of the ground before going home because this

1111
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: tummy was hurt. Yeah, he's doing he's doing something or yeah,

1112
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: he's got his tiny little scar that he's got to

1113
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: show off.

1114
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, sorry, I got it in battle.

1115
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah now yeah, it's it's simply fencing, and you're all

1116
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: trying to get scars. Like everybody is just kind of

1117
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: cutting each other's face so that you can show off.

1118
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Now you know who never shows off because

1119
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: they earned all of their scars the honorable way in

1120
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: hold to hand combat. Killing people in bar fights, Sophie absolutely, Sophie.

1121
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of a lot of cities you

1122
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: can't go back to. Just like our sponsors for this podcast,

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Speaker 3: Uh why killed a man in a bar fight?

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00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: You're probably right. So anyway, so we're talking about Heinrich Himler.

1126
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: He's in college now, he's getting his degree in like

1127
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: agricultural sciences. Uh. He gets into r O T. C

1128
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: Based in college because he lets him wear a uniform.

1129
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: He gets to march around. He writes in his diary

1130
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: that he enjoys being able to still feel like a soldier.

1131
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: In one entrance, he notes another day in uniform as

1132
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: one of his chief pleasures. It's what I enjoy wearing most. Like, Okay,

1133
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: he really just desperately wants to feel like a soldier,

1134
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, even though that has passed him by such

1135
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: a tryhard yes, Heinrich starts getting involved in political activism

1136
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: for the far right. His first big protest campaign because

1137
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: he's a member of some of these like right wing

1138
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: groups on campus. Is a German count I think is

1139
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: Count arco Valley assassinates a leftist right he kills somebody

1140
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: in it's like a political murder, and the count gets

1141
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: sentenced to death for murdering a guy, and this becomes

1142
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: a cause celeb of the German right. This is kind

1143
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: of their equivalent of like the protests against the January sixth,

1144
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: people facing any consequences for the crimes, and they get

1145
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: so angry. Heinrich is marching in the street. There's protests,

1146
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Frei Corps are like showing up armed

1147
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: in these gatherings to be like, you know, you're gonna

1148
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: have to deal with us if you try to kill

1149
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: this man. There's even talk within the military of either

1150
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: using having the army go in and bust him out,

1151
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: or even doing a push against the government if they're

1152
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: to kill this guy. And the liberal government caves like

1153
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: they always do to fascists. Himmlar rights after because they

1154
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: and they commute his sentence to like basically your life

1155
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: in prison. We're not going to execute him. And when

1156
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: the government caves Himler writes in his diary, however pleased

1157
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: we were, we were equally sorry that the business passed

1158
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: off so uneventfully. Oh well, there will be another time.

1159
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: And he also writes about like, ah, they're not willing,

1160
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: they're scared of us, right, And that's the problem. That's

1161
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: why you can't, like showing mercy these people is a mistake,

1162
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, Like if you do that, they will take

1163
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: advantage of it every single time. It just it just

1164
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: inspires them to push further. It doesn't save you any violence.

1165
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: Things get much worse because they don't go through with

1166
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: punishing this man. Near the end of nineteen nineteen, Himmler

1167
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: gets caught up in a debate within his Dueling club,

1168
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, this fraternity. There's an argument as to like,

1169
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: can we admit Jews right and not religious Jewish people right,

1170
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: Not people who are of the Jewish faith, but people

1171
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: who have Jewish ancestry but are Christian or at least

1172
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: like you know, they're not you know, practicing members of

1173
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: the faith. And this is a serious debate at the time.

1174
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: Within this the strata of people, and the Catholic Church

1175
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: takes a stance that Jews who converted to Christianity ought

1176
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: to be treated like anyone else. Obviously, it's fine to

1177
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: exclude practicing Jews, right, they're not full citizens. You can

1178
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: be shitty to them, but all that should matter is

1179
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: what they're doing now, right. They're basically the Catholic yours

1180
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: is saying there there's not an ethnic difference between someone

1181
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: who has Jewish ancestry and a normal German, Right, we

1182
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: don't care about that. And the Church takes this stance

1183
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: because Catholicism is a minority faith in Germany, right, so

1184
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: they do see a degree of threat to themselves. Is like, well,

1185
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: if these people like, we're not that much safer, right ye,

1186
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: if the Protestants decide to start talking with us, so

1187
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: we should probably draw a line here. Himmler is really

1188
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this minimal degree of liberalism from the Church,

1189
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: and he had been fairly strong as a Catholic, but

1190
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: he writes in his diary, I think I'm heading for

1191
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: conflict with my religion because he believes a Jew is

1192
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: a Jew no matter what, it doesn't matter if they've converted.

1193
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: It's about the blood, right, That's what Himmler thinks. Now.

1194
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: It's worth noting that while he grows steadily more anti

1195
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: Semitic as he ages, he still expresses as a young

1196
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: man some mixed thoughts on the matter, and in part

1197
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: he also he's a fan and he's super attracted to

1198
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: this Jewish cabaret singer he met inga barco in a bar.

1199
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: He writes really positively about her, right, so he's you know,

1200
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: he's again, this is a guy. None of these people

1201
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: are perfectly consistent, right. And this is also a time

1202
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: period he is starting to express interest in women around

1203
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: his age at this point in time. This is really

1204
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: when we see in his diary him writing about girls

1205
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: a lot. And it's kind of you get some in

1206
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: cell vibes from this dude. Yeah. He pinds that one woman, Luisa,

1207
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: who he had a crush on, was really nice, but

1208
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: not nice in the way that he wanted, right, as in,

1209
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: she's she's nice to me, she's friendly, but she doesn't

1210
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: want to fuck me. Right.

1211
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: That is hilarious. I'm a loser.

1212
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: This is funny, He writes home to his brother. This

1213
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: is so gross. If sweet young things knew how they

1214
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: worried us, they would, no doubt try not to. This

1215
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: girl knew how sad I was that she doesn't want

1216
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: to fuck me, she'd surely want to fuck me. Right,

1217
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: that's a little sweat problem. Sweet little Things, maybe don't

1218
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: call him sweet little things. She's fucking weirdot, fucking crazy,

1219
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: sweet little thing, sweet thing?

1220
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: My uncle, man, what's up, Cleatus? I'm saying you sad

1221
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 4: like somebody named Cleophus Jenkins.

1222
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: What's up, sweet thing?

1223
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: All right? Calm down, heiin Rich Hembler, four jets, Turbo

1224
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: or another.

1225
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: I was actually thinking I didn't want to bring this

1226
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 4: up because I ain't want to sound like a douchebag myself.

1227
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: But I was just like, he hasn't talked about girls

1228
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: in his diary. Yeah he doesn't.

1229
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: He's a late humor. It's possible he's not it. It's

1230
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: not until he's in his late twenties that he actually

1231
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: like that. He's a virgin until his late twenties. Not.

1232
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like talk shit on that. I

1233
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: don't get No, it is what it is, but yeah,

1234
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: that's likely what's going on here. In another instance, he

1235
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: bonds with a girl named Maria, and he does there's

1236
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: this kind of positive thing where he's like, I'm so

1237
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: overjoyed that I finally have a sister, right, which is

1238
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: a nice and positive way to cute like a female friendship.

1239
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: He's only got brothers away from him.

1240
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because he is. He actually just wants to

1241
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: fuck her, right, He's not safe. She's got a boyfriend.

1242
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: Maria, Maria, you remind him of a West Side story, Yeah,

1243
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 4: growing up Bennis Harlem.

1244
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: So she's got a boyfriend, and he writes of her boyfriend,

1245
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: I believe he doesn't understand her, his golden girl, and

1246
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: he tries to, like he tries to flirt with her

1247
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: and like basically take her from him by offering her

1248
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 1: a ride on his motorcycle.

1249
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 4: But she's like, hey, listen, listen listening.

1250
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: To get on your motorcycle.

1251
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: Heinrich Himmler, Listen, It's okay to be sloppy seconds because

1252
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: first place always messes up.

1253
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: There, you get that, Yeah, that's how That's how he's

1254
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: looking at this, right, But like I'm gonna slide in here,

1255
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: but uh no, no, you're not sweet thing. Her boyfriend's

1256
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: not treating her right. I do so much better, you know.

1257
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So she call you when you when your boyfriend

1258
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 4: a girl, come on over.

1259
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: You can stay.

1260
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 4: I'll come get you on my motorcycle. You could stay

1261
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 4: on my couch. If he trip it, you come on

1262
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 4: over here.

1263
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even think she's calling him. I think

1264
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: she's like nice, polite to him. And he's like, she

1265
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: must really be in love with me, if only this

1266
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: tyrant where to let her go, you know, just.

1267
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: Just basic human decency. Yeah, Like she just can't be regular.

1268
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: You just can't be regular like that.

1269
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Heinrich's diaries, the other thing that he writes

1270
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: about a lot at regarding women is like this like

1271
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: white night shit, right, there's tons of stories about that.

1272
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: And this is from Lowenberg's article quote. He witnesses a

1273
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: conflict between a girl and her father of the girl's

1274
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: desire for private dance classes. He describes the father as

1275
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: unyielding and stiff necked, like a tyrant. According to his

1276
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: own account, Himler interposed himself and helped the young lady

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Speaker 1: a great deal. The poor little girl wept tears. I

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Speaker 1: truly pitied her, But she had no idea how pretty

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Speaker 1: she was in her tears.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, really pretty.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe he pays for this girl's dance classes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lowenburg writes of Himmler's frequent rescue fantasies. He writes fantasies

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Speaker 1: about like I could save this girl she's with this brute.

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Speaker 1: If you know, if I did this and this, then

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Speaker 1: like she'd know that I'm really who she's meant for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all that medieval stuff he was reading as

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Speaker 4: a kid.

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Speaker 1: Yeh know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's all that you're trying to live out that fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In one instance, he meets a waitress that he

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Speaker 1: has a crush on, and he writes paragraphs about his

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Speaker 1: fear that like, oh, waitresses always fallen to disrepute. You know,

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Speaker 1: she's doomed to a life of you know, sin and vice,

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Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that a waitress can be.

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Speaker 1: And if I only were rich, if I had money,

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Speaker 1: I'd give her enough money to marry a nice man

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Speaker 1: so she quote would not have to sink and be

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Speaker 1: lost wells areas. Oh yeah, he's a crea.

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Speaker 2: Fucklah, I'd pick you, I take you, and.

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Speaker 1: Dude, that's the word for word. His diary entry. So

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Speaker 1: uh Himmler finishes his diploma in August of nineteen twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Now at this point he has continued reading into German

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Speaker 1: Volcish mysticism, and he's become acquainted with a man named

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Speaker 1: Guido carl Anton Liszt who Weed didn't. Yeah, Guido has

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Speaker 1: never good news. Shockingly not Italian. He had died in

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, so he's been died pretty recently. But during

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Speaker 1: his life he had been the godfather of popular Volcish theory.

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Speaker 1: He was one of these guys who portrays himself as

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Speaker 1: something between an archaeologist and a wizard. And one of

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Speaker 1: his major contributions he creates this runic alphabet which he

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Speaker 1: said had been used by the ancient arians, and he

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Speaker 1: uncovers the system not by like real archaeology, but by

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Speaker 1: ghost archaeology. He channels dead spirits and they teach him

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Speaker 1: about the past and he writes books about it.

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait wait wait hold, So he learns this

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Speaker 4: by channeling ghosts.

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Speaker 2: That's your boy, that's that boy, that's your boy. Irich.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's Heinrich's gonna love that. And not just Heinrich.

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Speaker 1: This guy is the grandfather of Volcush theory. Like this

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Speaker 1: guy is if you're to what becomes Nazism, this guy

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Speaker 1: is like above Hitler in the line of descent to

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Speaker 1: what becomes Nazism because his ideas feed directly into Hitler's.

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Speaker 1: Hitler is also influenced, not even just directly by List,

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Speaker 1: but by the guy's that List is influenced by or

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Speaker 1: it influences. Right, List is like and he looks just

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Speaker 1: like you'd imagine. So he's gonna show you a picture

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Speaker 1: of this.

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Speaker 2: Please show me his sister of this exactly, exactly ancestors.

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Speaker 1: Of course, look at this, Look at this, Look at

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Speaker 1: this wizard looking dude.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he's talking to the ghost.

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Speaker 1: He's got like a gandolf beard and a fucking it's

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Speaker 1: almost like a pork pie hat. Like I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what you'd call that weird bereat thing on his head,

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Speaker 1: but like, yeah, like a fucking wizard looking motherfucker. Look

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Speaker 1: at him. Look at this perfect He's perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. He's perfect.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a lot more about Guido von list

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Speaker 1: H and a lot more about the birth of the

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Speaker 1: Volcush movement and all of these weird occult figures who

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Speaker 1: are going to have a huge influence on Heinrich as

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Speaker 1: well as continue Heinrich's life. In Part three, Lucky you motherfuckers. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: prop Plugs.

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Speaker 2: Plugs hood politics with prop Man.

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Speaker 4: Were cooking over here too, trying to, you know, keep

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Speaker 4: putting everybody on. That's going on. I released some poetry,

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Speaker 4: I got some music out. We have a show on

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Speaker 4: Fridays now called tap in Little short ten minute Shooter.

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Speaker 4: And also the Terrorforms back. I'll say it again, Terrorform COVID.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully by the.

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Speaker 4: Time y'all hear this, the website will be up. But

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Speaker 4: like the coffee's here, Hell yeah, so excited about it?

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Speaker 4: All right, I'll bring some. I'll bring some when I

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Speaker 4: go up there for the thing that you have not

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Speaker 4: talked about yet on recording excellent, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll do that. You at home. Go to Google

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Speaker 1: donor Box Defense Fund PDX fundraiser to help the Portland

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Speaker 1: Defense Fund, which helps bail out people who have no money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're great. Please please help them out and help yourself

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Speaker 1: out by listening to part three. You lucky dogs. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's it for the episodes. This has been behind the

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Speaker 1: bastards I've Been Robert Evans go to Hell. I Love You.

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