Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about some stuff going on. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about I want, first of all, to everyone.
Speaker 1: N and I had a great time. And I've been
Speaker 1: talking to her about doing something for so long. I
Speaker 1: think you're just you just are a great speaker. I
Speaker 1: just think you're wildly entertaining, as I've said, And so
Speaker 1: I thought I was in la. I wanted her to
Speaker 1: come to this dinner, that we should sit down and
Speaker 1: just talk and go over a bunch of things and
Speaker 1: work together. Like I think, just our different perspectives is
Speaker 1: something we've wanted to do.
Speaker 2: So this is the easiest vehicle. So here we are.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you coming in, and I appreciate your
Speaker 1: having me. So what do you think about the Jada
Speaker 1: Pinkett will Smith thing? Not just the thing, but she's
Speaker 1: coming out with that. She has a book now. She
Speaker 1: sent me the book, signed it to me. You know
Speaker 1: how you sort of know people in entertainment, but you
Speaker 1: don't really know them like they know of you.
Speaker 3: They know you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of thing, definitely, So she sent me a book.
Speaker 1: And I've been on Red Table Talk and I had
Speaker 1: a certain opinion. The night of the slap and the
Speaker 1: weeks after, and then now she's come out and she's
Speaker 1: speaking about it, saying that they've been separated, and she's
Speaker 1: recanting the night, and it's obviously.
Speaker 2: A great way to push a book. So she's doing
Speaker 2: the tour.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the original incident? And then
Speaker 1: all that's happening.
Speaker 3: The original incident meaning the slap. Yes, you know, like
Speaker 3: everyone else, I was watching that night, and I was shocked,
Speaker 3: Probably like many people, I thought it was a skit
Speaker 3: or something at first, and then when everybody on his
Speaker 3: way back, everybody was looking like something happened, and you know,
Speaker 3: but in the beginning, I thought it was just a
Speaker 3: part of what they were doing. It was shocking. It
Speaker 3: felt like it was unlike his character to do something
Speaker 3: like that. But again, we did not know these people.
Speaker 3: We are watching them from the outside, so we don't
Speaker 3: know who they really are as people, and so I
Speaker 3: just I just it was shocking. We are judged a
Speaker 3: whole lot harder than you guys. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And that's just true. As in back to Kim Kardashian,
Speaker 3: I think she rolled out her name got bigger from
Speaker 3: a sex tape. When black girls have sex tape. They
Speaker 3: are crucified interesting and they are dragged like for Dear Life,
Speaker 3: and Kim was able to turn her sex tape and
Speaker 3: tape into money. Black girls don't that. That's just not
Speaker 3: the same. We don't think judge this. We get judged
Speaker 3: very differently.
Speaker 2: Who's judging I mean the public.
Speaker 3: I feel like the public, the public.
Speaker 2: By and large, is it totally different standard?
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. I just feel like we're hell to
Speaker 3: a different standard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't think of anybody who's gotten famous like that,
Speaker 1: or other people in Hollywood that have had sex tapes.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, I mean, I'm sure in some cases,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was just obot. It could almost be
Speaker 3: like a white woman is drunk and everybody thinks that
Speaker 3: it's you know, like she's drunk, get her in the car,
Speaker 3: and a black girl is drunk, and I feel like
Speaker 3: they're looking like, look at this food over here, drunk.
Speaker 3: Oh it's not cute, Yes it's yeah, It's just I
Speaker 3: don't know that it's cute. No. I just think we're
Speaker 3: just held to a different standard.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: The sex tape, though, was an interesting discussion. That's funny, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have thought of that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: haven't thought of that. I'm trying to think of sex tapes.
Speaker 3: Do you know a lot of them? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any. I didn't see Pamela. I maybe
Speaker 1: saw Pamela Tommy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always feel like I'm invading their privacy.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen no, I have not.
Speaker 3: I heard that Kim's was pretty good, though, I think
Speaker 3: really I think people like it. Yeah, well I've not
Speaker 3: seen it. You know, I don't usually like to watch
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But Kim's no more defined by a sex tape than
Speaker 1: you are by the first day you said bloop, it
Speaker 1: was fifteen years ago. Don't you feel like people are
Speaker 1: still discussing who you were fifteen years ago today?
Speaker 3: Do you think that they are?
Speaker 2: Don't you think people still are?
Speaker 3: I do think that people still say things from years ago,
Speaker 3: you know. I don't mean we're talking about New normally
Speaker 3: and Glee that was years ago. So I do think
Speaker 3: that people still kind of, you know, yeah, reflect back sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well we've all come so so far from ten fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago. We've come so far.
Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. If you said something fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago. It's being thrown up to you now the
Speaker 1: same way that people are saying that Kim's successful now
Speaker 1: because she had a sex tape. I think she's successful
Speaker 1: now because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well no, I don't think that's what they say.
Speaker 3: I think they say that she launched her career off
Speaker 3: of the backs of a six.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 3: But people now, I see in connstuse she's a businesswoman now.
Speaker 1: Some but a lot of people, like snarky women, judgmental women,
Speaker 1: want to just make it like she wouldn't be where
Speaker 1: she was, same thing as Bravo. She wouldn't be where
Speaker 1: she was if she didn't have a sex tape, or
Speaker 1: say to me, you would be nowhere without Bravo.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen years.
Speaker 2: We've done a lot since then.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I'm saying, you know, resting on
Speaker 1: just that one thing. Okay, So about the Jada and
Speaker 1: Will thing? Yes, what about now? What about her talking
Speaker 1: about it? What do you think about them being separated?
Speaker 1: What is your opinion of the whole topic.
Speaker 3: So I haven't followed every single thing, and I want
Speaker 3: to say this, I am none biased. I don't know Jada,
Speaker 3: I don't know Will. I don't watch the I didn't
Speaker 3: watch the Red Table Talk or anything. So when I
Speaker 3: look at the clips that I see, and I'm only
Speaker 3: getting a little bit of what Jada's talking about. I've
Speaker 3: not read her book. I feel like watching social media,
Speaker 3: everybody is pitying her as a villain. And I when
Speaker 3: I hear the little things that she's saying, and I
Speaker 3: look at her and I think about her being a woman,
Speaker 3: and I'm a woman. It has nothing to do with color.
Speaker 3: We are women, right, we all feel the same. I
Speaker 3: look at her and I think she's right. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying she's right because she's a woman. I'm saying
Speaker 3: I feel like Will did something to her years ago
Speaker 3: that changed their relationship, and she is like, I've been
Speaker 3: sitting here all these years. I covered for you. I
Speaker 3: didn't say anything, and I'm gonna say some now it's
Speaker 3: something he did. Now. People do not know Will. I
Speaker 3: feel like they love him as an actor, right, and
Speaker 3: so they're just basing all this offer. He's this great
Speaker 3: actor and I'm a fan of his and I can't
Speaker 3: see him right. I can't see him that way. And
Speaker 3: I thought about myself, and I was saying to a
Speaker 3: friend of mine, my husband Greg. Everybody loved Greg. Everybody,
Speaker 3: and it's no way possible I could sit in a
Speaker 3: room of people and say Greg cheated this number of times,
Speaker 3: he did this, or he did that. I think that
Speaker 3: people all would look and say, Nini is the villain,
Speaker 3: of course, and it was Nini's fault.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: They would never in a million years say it was
Speaker 3: Greg and she's a woman and he hurt her and
Speaker 3: da da I would be the villain. And I think
Speaker 3: that they're just making her the villain right now. And
Speaker 3: I think that he's done a lot of things. He's
Speaker 3: a big star, and I think he's done a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and it probably hurt her now, not probably,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it hurt her. And I think I think
Speaker 3: that people knew that they weren't together. I think it
Speaker 3: kind of looked like they weren't together.
Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, I love what you
Speaker 1: just said about you and Greg, because also having been
Speaker 1: on reality television, you're the ones set up.
Speaker 2: To be the clown.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have a great day, Yay it went well,
Speaker 1: you look gorgeous, and then you look like shit. Everyone
Speaker 1: hates you. We talked about that he's not there for that,
Speaker 1: he's there to be. Oh yay, Greg's there like Maurice.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the supportive amazing, you know. And yes there
Speaker 1: were rumors about Maurice. That's a separate conversation. But you're
Speaker 1: still you're the crazy woman. Yes he's crazy, yeah, saying likewise.
Speaker 3: And I would be the villain, and I'm the mean one,
Speaker 3: and it's my fault. Everything happened because it was me.
Speaker 3: No one in the world would even think for a
Speaker 3: second that Greg had done anything to me. And you know,
Speaker 3: the thing I used to say to people when I
Speaker 3: would talk about my husband, and my husband is a
Speaker 3: great man. He's not a perfect man, but he's a
Speaker 3: great man. And I would say to people that Greg
Speaker 3: is a man. I mean, do you think he is
Speaker 3: not a man and not doing some of the things
Speaker 3: that men do. Do you think he is just sitting
Speaker 3: over here meditating every day?
Speaker 1: Because women, because people, people like to fantasize about other
Speaker 1: people's relationships, either that they're terrible or that they're perfect.
Speaker 1: And it's a very hard standing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And usually in a relationship, Anthony, one person is
Speaker 3: usually the villain. In the public, one person is the
Speaker 3: villain and the other person is, you know, probably the
Speaker 3: more nice and calmer person. I'm a little bit more outspoken.
Speaker 3: That is not to say that Greg is not. Greg
Speaker 3: is very outspoken. He just speaks out differently than I do.
Speaker 3: And so I'm always the you know, the bad guy, and.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I want to get to the
Speaker 1: fact that it cannot be easy to Also, you're not
Speaker 1: bringing any of that up when your husband has cancer,
Speaker 1: because then people are going to think you're really the villain.
Speaker 1: If you like, you're allowed to have normal feelings, you're
Speaker 1: allowed to have not resentment.
Speaker 2: But many people who have who are caring for.
Speaker 1: Someone else, it gets exhausting, and you can't tell anybody
Speaker 1: because if you'll be another you'll be a layered villain.
Speaker 1: So you can't tell everybody. Well, guys, my relationship isn't perfect.
Speaker 1: You just have to be quiet. Yeah, so I want
Speaker 1: to get into that. But you remind me, Wait a second,
Speaker 1: you just reminded me something. You said that about the
Speaker 1: villain about oh, many men. I'm saying this really about men.
Speaker 1: Many men are super charming and sales many to other
Speaker 1: people on the outside, and then they have a really
Speaker 1: nasty streak at home. And I'm not saying it's Greg
Speaker 1: but I'm saying I've had that very where it's publicly
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that this person, Oh hey, Dan has your
Speaker 1: golf game, Oh hey, which super animated?
Speaker 3: They have no idea that at home.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: To me, it's true. So in Jada, in Will's case,
Speaker 3: I just believe, and I think Will is not saying
Speaker 3: much because I think he knows, Like, yeah, Jada, it's right.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you too that they they've been separated,
Speaker 3: she said, I think for seven years, right, and he
Speaker 3: has his house and she has her house, but they
Speaker 3: divorce is not an option now. So I don't know
Speaker 3: why divorce is not an option money. I still don't care. Listen,
Speaker 3: my happiness is the option. So but they've kind of
Speaker 3: been divorced, is what they're saying. They made a business
Speaker 3: deal decision, So we're just divorced and we're just legally married.
Speaker 3: But you see other people, but you're not out publicly
Speaker 3: with other people, right, So that sounds like.
Speaker 1: That, Oh no, I did together, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that's your ride or die, that's yours, that's
Speaker 1: your life partner.
Speaker 2: But you do what you want.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big conversations, and I still
Speaker 1: want to say what I think.
Speaker 3: About it, about having that kind of relationship.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, so as we get older, I feel like women,
Speaker 1: but it gets more non traditional as we get older,
Speaker 1: like you realize there are more options. I was with
Speaker 1: a group of twenty five women the other night at
Speaker 1: an event and they were all young girls, like, all
Speaker 1: between twenty five and like thirty two, let's say, And
Speaker 1: they all were saying how rough it is out there,
Speaker 1: and they were really fantasizing my relationships, like, oh, when
Speaker 1: are you gonna walk down thehill? You're planning the wedding,
Speaker 1: and it's not that I don't you've I think you've
Speaker 1: met Paul.
Speaker 3: I love Paul.
Speaker 2: I'm fifty two.
Speaker 1: It's like we're to be planning a wedding and like
Speaker 1: the big Drea, it just feels strange. And also then
Speaker 1: there's signing a legal document to the point of what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But the twenty somethings are being marketed the
Speaker 1: fairy tale and they don't realize when you get older
Speaker 1: and you have a husband who may have stepped out,
Speaker 1: you have a husband who may have cancer, you're going
Speaker 1: through menopause. Like you've got your kid, You've got problems
Speaker 1: with your kid. I've got stuff I'm dealing with my
Speaker 1: like's not it's not like we're just being swept away
Speaker 1: into a fairytale and all we have to worry about is, honey,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna make you tonight? In my apron,
Speaker 1: it's like you get more modern and you kind of
Speaker 1: choose your own relationship and how to make it work
Speaker 1: for you, with travel, with work, with kids. It's just different,
Speaker 1: and the younger generation is still being marketed the bullshit
Speaker 1: of the fairytale. So I think, to your point, I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot that we don't know. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: like Jada. I think Jada not unlike a Megan Markle
Speaker 1: or years ago in Anne Hathaway. Sometimes when women are
Speaker 1: very evolved and they speak in a certain way, people
Speaker 1: find it to be a little pretentious. Like when Jada
Speaker 1: was on Kelly and Mark, she said Bill and I
Speaker 1: were in both in therapeutic spaces, and then she started
Speaker 1: talking about the work they were each doing.
Speaker 2: We were doing deep work.
Speaker 1: The average American who's just trying to get their kids
Speaker 1: to school and has no money for anything doesn't understand
Speaker 1: therapeutic space and deep work, like they don't have that's
Speaker 1: a luxury. So I think she sounds you know, and
Speaker 1: tabletalk was very about like we let's talk about our feelings,
Speaker 1: and they were very free, like it's just a therapy
Speaker 1: speech that I don't think America is digesting. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think, even though I agree with you, she
Speaker 1: becomes the villain. I think it's even layered because she's
Speaker 1: so emotionally intelligent and evolved and is sort of preaching
Speaker 1: this like you know, spiritual this like therapy to people.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's hitting. It's not unrelatable.
Speaker 3: It's definitely not hitting man, that's for sure, because they
Speaker 3: are dragging her, honey.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, and I agree with a
Speaker 1: lot of what she's saying. To be honest, she said,
Speaker 1: we walked into the oscars. I thought it was a bit.
Speaker 2: She said.
Speaker 1: We walked in and I was it's his date, and
Speaker 1: we walked out and I was his wife again because
Speaker 1: they were going to go through it together, like they
Speaker 1: became partners, and that wasn't the time to be like
Speaker 1: we've been separate. So I'm buying it. I just think
Speaker 1: it's the package it's in that's not landing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something about it isn't because she's getting dragged badly
Speaker 3: right now. Everybody feels it's her fault, and Will's not
Speaker 3: saying anything. He says his notifications.
Speaker 1: Are off right, and I think everybody plays fifty they
Speaker 1: have to. Well, I don't know if everybody plays fifty percent.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I just said that, But they're
Speaker 1: both at the table, and there's a reason why he
Speaker 1: felt like he would go on Red Table Talk and
Speaker 1: be emasculated when she talked about They talked about her
Speaker 1: having an affair with another guy. They talked about it
Speaker 1: an open discussion at this table talk, and it was awkward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when she did the table talking, they
Speaker 3: talked about her having an affair. They didn't talk about
Speaker 3: him having an affair.
Speaker 1: Though, right, right, But he's sitting at the table like talk,
Speaker 1: hashing this out, and now he's.
Speaker 2: Being punished for something.
Speaker 1: As to your point, because right now he's got listen
Speaker 1: to her passion and rehash again with the promotion of
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I agree, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yes, like Camille and Kelsey, you thought she's brand new
Speaker 1: on a show and she's married to Kelsey Grammar. He
Speaker 1: comes on the show, he looks like it's painful for him.
Speaker 1: You're wondering, is this like they made some sort of
Speaker 1: a deal and that's why he let her do the
Speaker 1: show and he agreed to go to the Emmys and
Speaker 1: then they broke up. Like there are all these dynamics
Speaker 1: that happen when you're watching the Man and you're like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want.
Speaker 3: To be there. Do you think Will has a girlfriend?
Speaker 3: Do you think is that it? Well, wait, when she
Speaker 3: talks about they're going through this therapeutic thing, I think
Speaker 3: she's saying that they're getting back together.
Speaker 1: No, she's saying as like a family dynamic. And you've
Speaker 1: heard her kids on and her mother. Everybody speaks in
Speaker 1: this type of like very evolved spiritual you know, Eastern
Speaker 1: medicine type like space. You know, just my girlfriend. I
Speaker 1: don't say to my girlfriend's I'm doing some very deep
Speaker 1: work right now and I'm I'm in a therapeutic space.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And I do.
Speaker 3: I do talk to a movie or something, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: I talked to a therapist. When I'm like, we're doing
Speaker 2: Paul and I are doing some very deep work right now.
Speaker 1: It's not relatable. I mean, you know, people are like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean I'm meeting Ramen. I can't afford, like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's a very deep work.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just so.
Speaker 1: I think that as a family dynamic for years, they've
Speaker 1: talked to people and they have this dynamic that is
Speaker 1: an arrangement that works for the whole group, and it's
Speaker 1: required therapy. And I do think in many cases there
Speaker 1: are other people in this Whole Housewives sphere that I
Speaker 1: think may stay together because the money. Divorces are very
Speaker 1: expensive and there are a lot of logistics, and.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't ad I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I need to be the minute I know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be somewhere. I don't want to be somewhere.
Speaker 3: I cannot do it. I will take my wig off
Speaker 3: and slank it, Honey, I cannot do it.