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A desperate search neighbors, police volunteers, helicopters, 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: a t v S tracker, dogs, missing posters, tiplines, command centers, 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: the works. What happened to five year old Lucas Hernandez. 12 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 13 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: with us. The search came to an end, and not 14 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the end any of us we're hoping for. When a 15 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: private eye, David Marshburn manages to somehow lure Lucas's stepmother, 16 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: Emily Glass, into a car for over four hours, they 17 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: drive rugged terrain until she points out an obscure bridge 18 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: underneath is the body a five year old Lucas Hernandez. 19 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: What happened? Joining me right now is Lucas's father, Jonathan 20 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: her Nandez. Jonathan, thank you for being with us. Jonathan. 21 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: So much has happened. I just don't know how you 22 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: still managed to put one foot in front of the other. 23 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Tell me what is going What was going through your 24 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: mind when you first learned Lucas was missing. I I 25 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: thought that maybe he had wandered off. You know. I 26 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: got the phone call when I was working in New Mexico, 27 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: and I immediately um went into shock, especially when I 28 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: spoke with police officers and they said that they were 29 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: at my residence and performing at least a neighborhood searched 30 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: in the immediate times after, and that they still hadn't 31 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: found him. I was really, really, really concerned, because he 32 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: doesn't you know, He's not the type of boy that 33 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: wanders off or does anything without asking permission. So I 34 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: knew something really was wrong. Now, why were you out 35 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: of town? I was working, yep. And what do you 36 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: do for a living, Jonathan, I'm on my blog her 37 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: in the oil field. Yeah, my dad was gone a lot. 38 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: He worked for the railroad and he would work all 39 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: kind of crazy shifts and be gone this night back 40 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: that day, and believe it or not, for many many years, 41 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: no week was the same. He had no reliable schedule. 42 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: That's hard to be away from home. When police first 43 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: called you, what did they say? Just that Lucas was missing, Yes, 44 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: that he was missing, and you know, there was no 45 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: no sign that you know, he should have wandered off, 46 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: no sign of a forced entry, and they were just 47 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: trying their best to figure out what was going on. 48 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: When you spoke to the stepmother, Emily Glass, who was 49 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: home with him while you were gone, you certainly didn't 50 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: leave a five year old by himself. What did she 51 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: tell you had happened? When I first got the phone 52 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: call from her, she just said that Lucas was missing. 53 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: And she was uh distraught, emotional, and I could barely 54 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: make out the words that she was saying, Lucas is missing. 55 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: And that's all she could really say at the time 56 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: was Lucas is missing. Lucas is missing. Lucas is missing. Okay, 57 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: So is she the first one that called you or 58 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: police the first one that called you? Um? I believe 59 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: she She attempted to call me, but I wasn't near 60 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: my phone. And then she called police. Called me maybe 61 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: five or ten minutes later while she was speaking with police, 62 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: gotcha with me. Everyone is Jonathan Hernandez. This is Lucas's father. 63 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: We have all been hoping and praying, searching, wishing for 64 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the best. We are so many questions, Jonathan, when you 65 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: could finally get hurt calm enough to verbalize what had happened? What? What? 66 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: What did she say? Just that she was sleeping, you know, 67 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: she took a nap and she was asleep and then 68 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: woke up and he was missing in the back door 69 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: was open. Does the back door have any type of 70 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: a latch on it or a lot that he maybe 71 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: could not reach? Um? No, it did not. Yep. What 72 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: did you do when you found out your five year 73 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: old boy was gone? What did you do? I contacted 74 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: my boss, and I gathered up my things and I 75 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: jumped in the car and I drove straight home. Eleven hours. 76 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: When you got there, what did you find? I wasn't 77 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: allowed to go to the residence at that time. I 78 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: actually went straight down to the police department and met 79 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: with detectives where it was Emily. By the time you 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: got there, I believe she was at a relative's house. 81 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't think she was at the police station at 82 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: that time when I went to the police station. Jonathan, 83 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: at that time, when you got back and you went 84 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: to the police station, when was the first time that 85 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: you actually saw Emily Emily Glass. Oh, it wasn't until 86 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: um later that night, because when I got to the 87 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: police station, it was around six a m. In the morning, 88 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: and I stayed there in interrogation for about ten hours. 89 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: Good gravy, they ask you questions for ten hours and 90 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: not the whole time I was sitting in there a 91 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: lot just by myself. But yes, I was down there. 92 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: I was only let out of the interrogation room for 93 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the use of the restroom one time, but I was 94 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: in there for ten hours. Well, I mean to Dr 95 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vowels. Honestly, 96 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: I know it may sound grueling to a lot of people. 97 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't find that unusual at all. With a five 98 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: year old boy missing and you finally get to speak 99 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: to one of the biological parents. Yeah, you're gonna question 100 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: them every which way, but loose, that's absolutely right. And 101 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: for someone uh that had nothing to do with the 102 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: disappearance of their child. They don't mind that at all. 103 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: In the n C they'll do anything to try to 104 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: help authorities. Yeah, that's a really good point because a 105 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: lot of people clam up and won't talk. Jonathan R. 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: Nandy sat down without a lawyer, without any complaint and 107 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: spoke for ten straight hours to police. Jonathan. At the 108 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: time that they were questioning you, and this is immediately 109 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: after Lucas goes missing, did they think that there was 110 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: foul ploy? Did they think he had been abducted? No, 111 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: they did not. There was not any specific evidence, I 112 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: guess pointing to that, and maybe that's why they were 113 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: interrogating me a little longer. And you know, I gave 114 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: them access to my cell phone. I said, anything that 115 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: I can do to help you, I will. Jonathan. When 116 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: you first started speaking to them, was their theory that 117 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Lucas had just wandered away or do they think at 118 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: the time he had been kidnapped? At that time, everything 119 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: was a possibility, and they were asking me, you know, 120 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: could he have wandered off, do you know anybody that 121 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: might want to take him? Or do you think that 122 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Emily maybe had done something? And I told them you know, 123 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't wander off. He's a very good kid. He 124 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: doesn't get into stuff or do things that he's not 125 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: supposed to do without asking first. And as far as 126 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: being abductive, I mean, at the time, I thought it 127 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: was a possibility. I mean, we were new to the area, 128 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: we hadn't lived there very long, and I just I 129 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: was hoping that maybe he did wonder off and they 130 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: would find him fairly quickly. At any point, did you 131 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: suspect Emily had anything to do with his disappearance? I 132 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: did not, none, none, whatsoever the whole drive, all those 133 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: hours you drove. Did you speak to her on the once? 134 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: And did she stick to that story once she was 135 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: out of interrogation. Um? But yeah, I mean she she 136 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: maintained that he was asleep when they went to sleep, 137 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and then when she woke up, he was missing and 138 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: the back door was open. Did you believe her at 139 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: the time At the time, I did, Um, because we 140 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: we had just moved into that residence and we were 141 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: having an issue with that back door closing and latching, 142 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: especially if you didn't lock the dead bolt. You would 143 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: think that the door was closed, and then you would 144 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: turn around and it would be open. Do you believe 145 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: her now? No, I did not. After you came out 146 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: of police interrogation. When did you see her? I drove 147 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: over to her relative house and UH picked her up 148 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: and spoke with her. She had my daughter with her 149 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: when you saw her when you pulled up to the house, 150 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: did she come out the door? Did she run to you? 151 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Did she hug you? Was she crying? What was her demeanor? Yeah? 152 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: She was. She was emotional. She was distraught, and we 153 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: hugged and cried, and I was, you know, I was 154 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: in a bit of shock and just just disbelieve. Did 155 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: she wait for you to knock on the door or 156 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: did she come out the door to your car? No, 157 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: she waited for me to knock on the door. I 158 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: went to the door and I came inside. M hmmm. 159 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: Did she answer the door or a relative? I believe 160 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: she did. And what were her first words? As you 161 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: recall that she I can't believe that he's missing and 162 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: we need to find him, and that she's just it's 163 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: just emotional. You know, we were both emotional. I was exhausted, 164 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: she was exhausted, and it was just it was very 165 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: very traumatic thing going on. As we are talking about 166 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: it now, Jonathan, what is going through your mind? I 167 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: am quite a bit and disbelief that this is even possible. 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: I never, not one time, thought that she would have 169 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: had any knowledge of his disappearance or where he would be, 170 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: and that just even makes me more shocked, and it's 171 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: it's not an easy thing to be able to process. 172 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: When was the last time you saw her? I saw 173 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: her when I was talking with David. David Marshford, what 174 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: are your thoughts about her being out of jail now? 175 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm a bit confused by it. I've figured that she 176 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting out, especially you know, since she knew 177 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: about the location of Lucas. What are police telling you 178 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: about why she's walked free. They actually haven't told me anything. 179 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: I've I've heard from um a friend that it may 180 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: have something to do with double jeopardy, in the sense 181 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: that if they charged her with a lesser crime and 182 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: use the same evidence, that they wouldn't be able to 183 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: charge her with a more serious crime using that same evidence, 184 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: so they'd let her go. With me. Ashley will caught 185 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: juvenile judge and found her child crime watch dot Com. Ashley, 186 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: she was just tried for endangerment to a child after 187 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: she stated she had smoked three bowls apart and drove 188 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: around with her daughter in the car and was acquitted. 189 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,239 Speaker 1: The prosecutors do not want to make the same mistake. 190 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: If they hold her over seventy two hours, they have 191 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: to bring her in court, which they did, or let 192 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: her go. Okay, If they bring her to court, she 193 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: could demand some sort of a preliminary hearing. If they 194 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: have a preliminary hearing, that shows what evidence they do 195 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: or don't have. Now, if they try to take her 196 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: to trial now without enough evidence, they'll lose. Again. That 197 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: is not something they want, Ashley. You know that's right, Nancy, 198 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: And I think and I think I said this, someone 199 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: are prior shows about this particular horrible tragedy, and that 200 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: is the prosecution now is going to be extremely cautious 201 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: for the very reason you just said. They she was 202 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: acquitted and so now they are darn sure going to 203 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: make sure that they have their ducks in a row 204 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: and all of the evidence and proceed in a way 205 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: that they can make the charges stick because bottom line, 206 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: she didn't know where that baby was. So she's involved 207 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan with me. Jonathan Hernandez Lucas Lucas's dad. Can I 208 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: ask you something, Jonathan, on a different note, What is 209 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: it about Emily that attracted you in the first place? Well, 210 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: she's She's a very attractive girl. She you know, we 211 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of the same interests and um, she 212 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty effortless as far as getting 213 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: to know her and communicating with her, and it was 214 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: almost like we had known each other long before, we admit. 215 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Did you did she strike you as being a good mom? 216 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: She did, I mean she did, and she helped me 217 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: raise Lucas, you know, after we had gotten together, So 218 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean I got to witness, Jonathan, where were her 219 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: other children? They were with their father. 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He is beneath an obscure 257 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: bridge and a washed out call caught by a debris pan. 258 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: At first, marshburn says he could not even tell what 259 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: he was seeing. The little child had been in the 260 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: elements for so long, his dark brown hair had been 261 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: bleached white. Right now we are waiting for autopsy results, 262 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: and with me is Lucas's father, Jonathan Hernandez. Jonathan, did 263 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: you know that Marshburne was taking Emily Glass out into 264 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: his car and secretly recording their conversations while he looked 265 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: desperately for Lucas. No, I did not, Nancy, What did 266 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: you know? I knew that he was going to pick 267 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: her up that day and try to speak with her again. 268 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: We had spoken with her him and I that the 269 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: day before, and we didn't get very far. Really, as 270 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: far as talking with her for a few hours. Why 271 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: why couldn't why couldn't you get anything out of her 272 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: for a few hours. Well, she just seemed like she 273 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: had shut down, you know, and she wasn't gonna speak anymore, 274 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: really say too much. Do you not find that odd? 275 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: So he decided to, Uh, well it was odd, but 276 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, I started to see that she probably knew something, 277 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: and I spoke with David about that once we left. 278 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? You started to say 279 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: that she may know something. Yeah, just just her demeanor 280 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: and her body language. It seemed very odd to me. 281 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: And it seemed like she was, you know, looking in 282 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: a particular direction, in the sense that she was just 283 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: thinking and like running things through her mind and thinking 284 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: really hard, is what it appeared to me. Jonathan. Did 285 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: she stick with her story? How did she describe how 286 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: she found Lucas? Now her story is she found him 287 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: dead and for some reason discarded his body, disposed of 288 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: it hours and hours away from home. And we just 289 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: heard her saying to the private eye Marshburn, I did 290 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: Lucas so wrong. I did him wrong. Earlier, she refers 291 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: to herself as a piece of that that's not normal 292 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: for someone looking innocently for their lost child. How did 293 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: she describe to you what happened that night? She that 294 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: that's that's as about as far as I know. I 295 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: only know that much because of what David had told 296 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: me that she had found him guests in his bed 297 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: one morning or one evening, not specific on that, but 298 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: then she had panicked. And she never really said why 299 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: she panicked, but that she had panicked and went and 300 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: hit him after she led Private Eye Marshburn to Lucas's remains. 301 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: Have you talked to her at all? Sense um? Yes, 302 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: I had talked to her that morning before David had 303 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: picked her up to to talk to her again and 304 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: interrogate her again her you know, questioned her again, and 305 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: at that point it seemed that she was, I think, 306 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: ready to get it off of the chest. She was 307 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: crying on the phone to me, saying I'm sorry, I 308 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: don't know how you could ever love me, you know, 309 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: things of that nature, but not really saying anything. And 310 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: I was, you know, trying not to freak out, and 311 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to reassure her that everything would be okay. 312 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: You just need to talk to David, and we just 313 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: have to get through this, because I didn't want her 314 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: to shut down again. I was trying to be as 315 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: supportive as possible. That way we could, you know, David 316 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and I could work together to try to to get 317 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: her and come forward. I just can't get my head 318 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: around it that you you drive all the way back 319 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: through the night, you get there around six am. Everyone 320 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: with me is Lucas's dad, who gets in his car 321 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: the moment he hears Lucas is missing and drives through 322 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the night home to try to find his five year 323 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: old son and the day's past. Did she ever elaborate? 324 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: What was her story? That she had taken a nap, 325 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: taking a shower, taking a nap, woke up and he 326 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: was gone? What were her words? Because that just that 327 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: seems so superficial to me. I mean, did she say 328 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: I went in his bedroom and he was gone, and 329 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I went in the yard, and I mean, how does 330 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: she describe what happened? Yeah? She she said that, you know, 331 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: she woke up from a nap, and I guess called 332 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: for Lucas, called his name out and didn't hear anything. Back, 333 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: went and looked in his room and he was not there. 334 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: So she turned around and his room is off the itchen, 335 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: and so is the back door. So she said that 336 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: when she looked in his room, didn't see him, turned 337 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: around and saw that the back door was a jar. 338 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: Then she had, like I guess, ran out in a 339 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: panic looking for him, but also went over to the 340 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: neighbor's house ask that they had seen him, and then 341 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: called nine Under asked the neighbors to call the nine 342 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: and something about Jonathan. We learned that we well, this 343 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: is her story that she had left Lucas alone at 344 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: the home after smoking three bowls of marijuana and drove 345 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: her daughter to eat at Olive Garden, leaving Lucas with 346 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: nothing all alone, a five year old in the home. 347 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: What did she normally do that? Absolutely not, And I 348 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: was flabbergasted when they told me that she had done that. 349 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: Did you ever know her to hit or mistreat Lucas? No, 350 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: I did not not in the three years that I've 351 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: known her and seen them interact, and you know she's 352 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: she was always good with him. Did you guys have 353 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: a stormy relationship? Did you argue about you being out 354 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: of town? It would come up. I mean it was 355 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: it was hard, you know, it's hard like that, especially 356 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, for the kids, but also for her. And 357 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was hard for me being gone. I 358 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't want to be away from my family 359 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: for three weeks at a time. I hear you, I 360 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: hear you on that, Jonathan. I'm just trying to understand 361 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: what is happening now. I mean, after I heard these 362 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: takes that David Marshburn had secretly recorded, I was overwhelmed. 363 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: She Lee Emily Glass, your girlfriend leads him to Lucas's remains. 364 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: Have you been to that spot where Lucas was discovered? Yes, ma'am. 365 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: I've been out there probably three or four times since. 366 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you are stronger than me, Jonathan. To 367 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: this day, I have never returned to where my fiancee 368 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: was murdering. I just, I just I don't want to. 369 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't really even know why. I haven't even tried 370 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: to figure out why. What led you to go to 371 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: that spot? Jonathan. I I've been, you know, tirelessly trying 372 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: to search for him in my own way for three months, 373 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: and I always, you know, just imagined and dreamed where 374 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: he could be and where we would find him if 375 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: somebody had him or if you know, as in this case, 376 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: it turned out to be we weren't able to find 377 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: him a live and so for me, I just wanted 378 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: to go to the last known spot. And you know, 379 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: I just I'm not even really sure what goes through 380 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: my mind when I go out there, but I just 381 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I try to talk to him to myself when I 382 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: go out there, and I just try to wrap my 383 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: head around how he could have been left out there 384 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: for three months. When you go out there and you're 385 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: thinking it all through, what goes through your mind? Jonathan, 386 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: I'm devastated that he he was out there for that 387 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: amount of time, or that he was even out there 388 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: at all. Why do you say that? Well, it's you know, 389 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: it's it's your child, you know, And to think that 390 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: he's out there in that element, I mean when you 391 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: said whether he was out there at all, what do 392 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: you mean by that? Oh, like as far as maybe 393 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: he had been abducted or maybe it was a kidnapping 394 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: or something like that, but it turned out not to 395 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: be that case. I'm just trying to take in everything 396 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: that you're saying. Since luke us body was found, have 397 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: you spoken to Emily Glass at all? Yes, Um, She's 398 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: called me from jail, and I spoke with her, I 399 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: believe one or two times. What does she say, Jonathan, 400 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: That she's sorry, she can't believe she could ever do 401 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: this to me, She can't believe she could ever do 402 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: that to Lucas and leave him out there, and that 403 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: she's a horrible person, and and just stuff like that. 404 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: Really has she divulged at all what actually happened, only 405 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: only the same story of you know, she woke up, 406 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: she found him and he was he was dead of 407 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: something in the in the morning or in the evening, 408 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: and that she panished and went and hit him. All 409 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: those nights, the three months of searching, of waiting, of 410 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: wondering where is Lucas? You were together and in that time, 411 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: never after seeing you suffer, after seeing the helicopters, the 412 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: a t v s, the search parties, the tracker dogs. 413 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: What was her demeanor during all that? Because she knew, 414 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: she knew the whole time where the baby was, her 415 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: demeanor was fairly normal. Uh, is very believable. It appeared 416 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: to me that she didn't know anything, which you know, 417 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of made me believe what her story was at 418 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: the beginning, that you know, it's probably a possibility you know, 419 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: a good possibility. That's what happened. When you say she 420 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: was during all this time everyone was searching for Lucas 421 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: and you were crying at night into your pillow and 422 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: looking for your son. When you say she was acting normal, 423 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that normal? Like you know, 424 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: she's she's kind of going through the same thing I am. 425 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: She's worried about where he is, where he could be. 426 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: She just wants to find him, just like I've been 427 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: wanting to find him, and that we just want him 428 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: to come home. And you know, it did just just 429 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: kind of everything along the lines of a devastated parents 430 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: that's going through a traumatic experience would be like was 431 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: she able to eat during those three months? Was she 432 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: able to sleep at night? She said that she would 433 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: have trouble sleeping, but I didn't know if that was 434 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: from jail or what. She would always complain that it 435 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: was always loud in there. They would have the lights 436 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: on sometimes and maybe that was the reason why she could. 437 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: So she complained that it was loud in the jail 438 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: and the lights were on. Yes, did she try to 439 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: help in the search when you first arrived home, Oh, 440 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: we we did not. I I honestly didn't even try 441 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: to search, only after speaking with the detectives and explained 442 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: to them, I don't think he would have wondered off, 443 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: so I don't believe that he is wandering around. And 444 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: also they had told me they haven't. They didn't at 445 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: the time have any leads as far as the tracking 446 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: dogs following any sense that had left the residence on foot. 447 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: When you say that she could eat when you first 448 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: got back, did you see her able to go out 449 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: to dinner or sit down to the dinner table? And eight, 450 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: because I know when Keith was murdered, there was a 451 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: long period of time I couldn't eat or drink a thing. 452 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: Everything made me sick to my stomach. Why did you 453 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: say that she had a normal appetite? Well, she yeah, 454 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean she she was eating, and I was only 455 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: eating maybe once a day. I mean, like you said, 456 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: it was so hard. I was literally sipped to my stomach. 457 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to throw up all day every day, but 458 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: I had to try to force myself to eat so 459 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: that I could have energy and try to keep going. 460 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: And what about her, It appeared that she, you know, 461 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: maybe not eat just like normal three meals as well, 462 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: like she was going through a traumatic experiences like I was, 463 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: and it was hard for her to eat as well sometimes. 464 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: But you know, we would try to eat as as 465 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: much as we could, as often as we could. Listen 466 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: to this. I don't know what what Lucas like when 467 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: he when he passed away. Was it on his back? 468 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: Did he throw up? It choked on his own? Vomit? 469 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: Did um? Was he just did in his bed the 470 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: old couch? Uh? He was on the bed, on the couch, 471 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: on his side or on his back? Bad? So did 472 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: you think you vomited and vomit? You didn't. Now they're 473 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna probably charge you with obstruction. That means you lied 474 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: to them. Well that's not gonna stick. Obstruction never sticks anyway. 475 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: So that's that's new. The heir there, they don't even 476 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: carry a bond like, they don't have a a bond 477 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: they put you on. It will be together with the 478 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: concealment of a death. It's a fifty thou dollar max bond. 479 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: You cannot get a mien doll bond. That's against constitutional rock. 480 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: The eighth Amendment of the United States is everybody has 481 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: the right to affordable bond. Affordable bail right. Yes, you did. 482 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: Fifty thousand was right for that charge you had, and 483 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: yes it was. I read it up on it. It 484 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: was the max. And you know I could have bonded 485 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: you on it, and I told Jonathan I would when 486 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: I got up here and you weren't released yet, I 487 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: would bond you. But you were already released, so that 488 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: was fine. He said, we don't have the five thousand. 489 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: I said, you don't need to die that first. You 490 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: have to release me because you aren't friend, Lencas. Do 491 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: what I mean? It makes sense to why you would 492 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: release me as to frame Lucas. I get it. No, 493 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I had to talk to you. I won't 494 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: go to get to the jail talk to you and 495 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: letting them hear it and then they hit you a murder. 496 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: What I look stupid? I am a smart man, you 497 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: know that. So I'm making sure my ships right now. 498 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: Cathy looked up your sister, and your sister's fine to 499 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: have mine? Is it me or mine? Mia? So that's 500 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: in the words. And I just don't know what else 501 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: to tell you. But Lucas is the tradeoff. So I 502 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: don't know what you want to do on that because 503 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: we have to have Lucas. I have an idea about 504 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: where Lucas is and if everything is correct, by about 505 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: four or four thirty, we should be bringing you back 506 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: to We should be bringing me back. But lets say it, 507 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: you won't be in handcuffed. They're not gonna handcuffed, They're 508 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: not gonna arrest you. And then when we go down there, 509 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna do an interview. But just make sure the 510 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: story you tell this this time is exactly what we've 511 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: talked about. You are hearing the sound of the stepmother's 512 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: voice as she questions private eye Marshburn, what will happen 513 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: to her now that Lucas's body is found to Joe Scott, Morgan, 514 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, right now, we 515 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: still don't have the autopsy report back. What's happening. Lucas 516 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately was down for three months, Nancy, and a lot 517 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: of changes occurred with the body. Right now, they're saying 518 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: that they're pending toxicology. I think that one important thing 519 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: here I'm very curious about as a forensic scientist, is this. 520 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: In your opening, you mentioned that that Lucas's hair was visible, 521 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: and you had alluded to the fact that his hair 522 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: was bleached out. In one of Mashburn's comments relative to 523 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: UH to Emily Uh, she had related to him that 524 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: she had actually smoked meth and Uh. I'm very curious 525 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: if they take a hair sample uh with with Lucas's hair, 526 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to find residual amounts of 527 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: meth amphetamine. What happens with the hair is that the 528 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: hair holds onto things that otherwise might dissipate over a 529 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: period of time. I want to know what was going 530 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: on with this child because right now we're grasping for straws. Uh. 531 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: If there is nothing in the physical sense that we 532 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: can see with him, which they haven't related that yet, 533 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: then we have to cover every possible base. Was he 534 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: exposed to crystal meth um, because this can hang on 535 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: in the hair To Vincent Hill joining me private investigator, 536 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: Vincent Um, I have never heard of a private eye 537 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: managing to pull off what Marshburne did and secretly recording 538 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: her as they're driving around and she actually leads him 539 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: to Lucas's little body. Vincent, those tapes are going to 540 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: come in to evidence if there is ever a trial, 541 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: explain what one party consent means vincent, well, essentially, Nancy, 542 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: it means as long as one party is aware that 543 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: there's a recording going on in this during these conversations 544 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: that can be admitted in court. And David had his 545 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: partner with him, and she was aware that these conversations 546 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: were being recorded. So I think when this goes to trial, 547 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: east apes will be evident. And I think David was 548 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: on to to quite a bit. You heard Jonathan. He 549 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: said there was no problems, but there was this problem 550 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: with this back door that I don't believe Lucas that 551 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: five years old, would have known about. So I think 552 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: that was her way of setting the stage to say, oh, 553 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: someone could come in this back door that we've had 554 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: problems with. I'm just having a hard time understanding the 555 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: series of events with me is our special guest, Lucas's father, 556 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan her Nandez, who was out of town and his 557 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: alibi has been checked every which way. At the time 558 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: Lucas goes missing, he drives through the night in his 559 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: car to get back to Kansas and still no real 560 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: answers from the stepmother, Emily Glass. Emily Glass is charged 561 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: with driving under the influence with her daughter she is 562 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: acquitted on that, but now she's walking free. The only 563 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: person that really knows what happened to Lucas but Jonathan Hernandez. 564 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: The fact that she led she led Marshburn to Lucas's body. 565 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,479 Speaker 1: What about that lucation, Jonathan, What does that location mean? 566 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: Does that have any significance? Why would she have disposed 567 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: of Lucas way out there? Honestly, I don't know. Um, 568 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: I've never been out there, and I didn't think it 569 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: was that far out of town whenever I first went 570 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: out there. But yes, it's very remote and that's the 571 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: only thing that I can can gather as far as 572 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: maybe that's why she picked that location. How do you, 573 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: as you're trying to make sense of this in your mind, 574 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: reconcile those months that you were looking over ninety days 575 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: looking for Lucas. While she acted like nothing had happened, 576 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: she was still stinking to the story that she woke 577 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: up from a nap and he had just wandered off. 578 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: It's it's very difficult to know that she knew the 579 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: whole time, and it's it baffles me every single day 580 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: when I try to replay everything in my mind and 581 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm literally in disbelief. I just I have no idea 582 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: the police actually believe that that she wakes up from 583 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: a nap and just finds Lucas dead in his bad 584 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: a five year old boy? Do you believe that? I 585 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I could speculate. I really don't know, 586 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: and I would prefer to wait till the facts come out, 587 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: wait till the autopsy report comes back, and I would 588 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: really like to know what they think happened before I say, 589 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's probably what happened, or it's a possibility, 590 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: or or anything of that nature. I just find it 591 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: so difficult to understand why if a child, if you 592 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: thought the child was dead, why didn't you call nine 593 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: one one? Why didn't you try to save the child's life? 594 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: Why would you dispose of the boy's body out under 595 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: a bridge? Jonathan? Has she ever addressed that? Um? She 596 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: she said that she had panic. I'm not sure if 597 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: it was because she was smoking meth, which I had 598 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: no knowledge of, but I I asked her the same thing, 599 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, why didn't you call nine one one? Why 600 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, if that's what happened and it was an accident, 601 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: or he was asleep and he died for something, why 602 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: not call nine one one because they would have been 603 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: able to figure out why they would have, you know, 604 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: like you said, maybe being able to save him. M hm, 605 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Well that still bothers me. And when you asked her 606 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: why she didn't call nine one once, you just kept 607 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: saying she panicked. She just did Lucas have any type 608 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: of health issue, a medical problem, a congenital heart issue, 609 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: a breathing issue that you know of, no immediate health 610 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: problems other than he had been vomiting for a few 611 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: weeks and we had taken him to the doctor and 612 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: they had given him a prescription for liquid zoe Frans 613 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: and even the prescription didn't seem to help his vomiting. 614 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: So to me, I mean, I don't know if it 615 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: could be complications from that or that maybe he hadn't 616 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: got enough nutrients from vomiting so long, and maybe there 617 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: was a problem. But if you would have been able 618 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: to clone nine with one, we would have been able 619 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: to figure out what had happened. Dude, Joseph's got Morgan 620 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: forensics expert. If he had, let's just say, vomited, I 621 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: don't see how that would have killed him. And also 622 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: she said her nap was just three hours. I don't 623 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,479 Speaker 1: see how anyone could vomit to the extent they die 624 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: in that amount of time. No, I don't see that either, Nancy. 625 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: I don't see how that's even remotely possible. Plus, I 626 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: would imagine that they did a pretty thorough sweep at 627 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: the house initially, there would have been some type of 628 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: evidence of that, I would think, unless she thought enough 629 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: to clean up the room. But why would she if 630 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: he was vomiting? Would she want to volunteer that? To 631 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcote, the founder of child crime watch dot com, 632 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: juvenile judge and lawyer, Ashley, I mean, in my mind, 633 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't fit together. Now police have let her walk free. 634 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: She is not named a suspect in this case. But 635 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: to me, this it just doesn't hang together. No vomit, 636 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: no prior medical condition, It just doesn't work for me. 637 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: It reminds me a great deal of when Kelly Anthony 638 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: went missing and there was no health issue, nothing like that. 639 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: No one could explain what had happened. As we know 640 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: in all cases, somebody knows what happened. In this particular case, 641 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to note no vomiting don't 642 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: know what happened, but we do know some other things. 643 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: She admits that she used meth amphetamines. That is a 644 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: drug that causes people, and people do things and they're 645 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: out of their mind and commit crimes and killed children. 646 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: We've seen it in other cases. I'm not saying they 647 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: all do. I'm saying they're extenuating circumstances. That mean, I 648 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: think we cannot believe that she didn't do something to 649 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: this child. All the other circumstances and things leading up 650 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: to this, it's very likely she did it. At a minimum, 651 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: she knows what happened to him, but I don't believe 652 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: it was because of something wrong with him or health issues. 653 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: I think, plain and simple, she killed this child. And 654 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: again she is not named as suspect at this juncture. 655 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, host of Investigation Discoveries hit show Fatal, 656 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: vows way in Brian, I'll put it the same way 657 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: that I put it when we were talking in the 658 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: early days of of the Kaylee Anthony disappearance. It is 659 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: tough for me to imagine in any way in which 660 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: Lucas Hernandez died that does not involve Emily Glass doing 661 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: something nefarious and so yes, Ashley's correct, of course that 662 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: intoxication with methamphetamine can make a person, uh you know, 663 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: completely completely behave in in violent, erratic, crazy ways. But 664 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: it's very important for us to also point out that 665 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: if that is involved, and and that is something that 666 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: was in play, and she did something in the throes 667 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 1: of a of a methamphetamine high and then realized when 668 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: she started to sober up that she had done it, 669 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: and and that's what the panic is about. Keep in mind, 670 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: most of us when we panic, we want law enforcement. 671 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: We want law enforcement to come and help us with 672 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is we're panicked about. So somebody who panics 673 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: when something horrible has happened to a child, uh, lets 674 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: you know that they probably feel that they had some 675 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: blame in it. And so if that is the is 676 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: that is absolutely not the basis of an insanity defense. 677 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: Voluntary intoxication is not grounds for an insanity defense. My 678 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: question is back to you, Jonathan Hernandez. It seems to 679 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: me that it just must be so hard to reconcile 680 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: what is happening now. Are police giving you any indication 681 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: of when the autopsy will be complete? I heard that 682 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: it may be completed today or tomorrow, that they were 683 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: still unsure of an actual time, but that it would be. 684 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: And have they given you any explanation of why Emily 685 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: Glass is not being held? No, they have not. Jonathan, 686 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: do you feel that Lucas has tried to reach out 687 00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: to you? Have you felt his presence? Yes? I always have. 688 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: I feel it very strongly. We we had a close connection. 689 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: We had a very very close bond um through you know, 690 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: ever since he was born. You know, he was born 691 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: with his lungs were underdeveloped. He had to spend six 692 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: weeks in the nick you and during that time we 693 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: found out he had a cleft palate, and so they 694 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: put a feeding tube in his stomach what's called a 695 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: Mickey button, and we actually had to feed him with 696 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: a special bottle which has a longer nipple so that 697 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: he's able to try to create some suction on that, 698 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,800 Speaker 1: but also you know what he was unable to eat orally. 699 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: We would also have to feed him the difference through 700 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: a feeding pump and things of that nature. And we 701 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: went through very similar things, both of my shoulder and 702 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: the NIKKEI for about six Swiggs, I know exactly what 703 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Tell me Jonathan about Lucas as a boy, 704 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: I want to imagine him and think about him in life. 705 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: He's always been a fighter. I mean, he came out 706 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: of the nick you his oxygen levels got down into 707 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: the thirties, I believe forties, and we were always concerned 708 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: if if he was going to have developmental problems or 709 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, any kind of problems from from having such 710 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,439 Speaker 1: a struggle since birth. And you know, it turns out 711 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: that he started progressing normally. He was a little underweight 712 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: and things like that nature because it was a little 713 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: harder for him to feed, but he fought his way 714 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: through that. And you know, we had to feed him morning, 715 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: day and night. I mean it was round the clock. 716 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: It took both of us, me and Jamie, just tirelessly 717 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: taking shifts to try to it to care for him, 718 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: and he he made it through it. You know, at 719 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: one and a half years of age, he finally had 720 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: surgery and got his cleft pallet fixed and it was 721 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: like the greatest day of his life and our life 722 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: because he was finally able to eat without any problems 723 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: and drink and so he he started just being a 724 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,720 Speaker 1: normal kid again. Jonathan, at any time, did he ever 725 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: tell you that Emily was being made to him. No, ma'am, 726 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: he did not. Do you remember the moment when Marshburn 727 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: contacted you and told you that Lucas's remains had been found? Yes, 728 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: I do. I'll probably never forget it. What happened. I 729 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: had just arrived to work after driving eleven hours and 730 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: sat down for about ten minutes, and I was going 731 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: to start my shift in about thirty minutes, and he 732 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: had called me. And I wasn't sure why he was 733 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: calling me, but I answered and he was like, are 734 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: you around anyone? I said no, and he's like, I 735 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: just found Lucas. And I almost fainted. You know, my 736 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,280 Speaker 1: heart started racing. I meant to into an anxiety state, 737 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: and and I started asking him questions like where is he? 738 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: Does he you know, how does he look? Does he 739 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,760 Speaker 1: have clothes on? Are your shirts Lucas? You know, crying 740 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: and and freaking out, and he said that, you know, 741 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: it is Lucas. And he's like, I've already called the police, uh, 742 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: and now I'm calling you. They're on their way out here. 743 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,800 Speaker 1: And I got off the phone with him. I guess 744 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: that way he could speak with detectives and everybody that 745 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: was showing up. Did he tell you that Emily had 746 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: led him to Lucas's remains? Yes, he did with me. 747 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: Is Jonathan Hernandez, Lucas's father, Brian Russell's and Saint Hill, 748 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Morgan, Ashley Wilcott, and Lee Egan. This is 749 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: what we were learning at this hour. Reportedly police back 750 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: at Lucas her Nandez home just last night investigating again. 751 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: There are claims two autopsies have been completed on the child. 752 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: All we know right now is it is now believed, 753 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: based on autopsy two, that five year old Lucas died 754 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: the tenth or the eleventh in a bathroom. How do 755 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: we know this as of yet unconfirmed, but something about 756 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: the autopsy or the late night search last night seems 757 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: to indicate Lucas was killed in the home's bathroom. To 758 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan her Nandez, you have no idea how much we 759 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: have prayed for you and tried our best in any 760 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,760 Speaker 1: way we can to help find Lucas. And even now 761 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: those prayers go on, and the prayers for justice and 762 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 1: for your peace and for little Lucas. Nancy Grace Crime 763 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: Story signing off, goodbye, friend. 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