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Speaker 1: Pushkin Johnny to what do I owe the pleasure? So

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Speaker 1: you know why I'm phoning you.

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Speaker 2: I really don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was intending.

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Speaker 3: To re release the Gregor episode for which it is

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Speaker 3: named for you, Okay, so that a new generation of

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Speaker 3: heavyweight listeners can enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, when.

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Speaker 1: Was the last time you listened to the episode?

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Speaker 4: I mean, to be completely honest with you, and why

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Speaker 4: should I be anything other than completely honest at all times?

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Speaker 4: And forth right? Yeah, almost disturbingly vulnerably frank with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've never actually listened to the episode.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that.

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Speaker 2: I really don't want to break last streek.

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Speaker 1: Of never listening to anything I make.

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Speaker 2: But I'm told those good I mean, a lot of

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Speaker 3: So so what I was thinking might be sort of

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Speaker 3: to it together. I guess for you for the first time.

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to do this. But are you telling me

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Speaker 2: that your concept for your brand new Alexander Pushkin hit show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a podcast of me listening to

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Speaker 2: a previous podcast. I mean, I don't mean to like

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Speaker 2: course not, are you out of your mind? We're going

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Speaker 3: Well no, I mean we're not going to say okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, well with that. With that, I guess I'll

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Speaker 3: I'll talk to you at the end. Oh but before

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Speaker 2: I was just just stepping out.

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Speaker 3: I was just you enjoy music, right, Yeah, this week's

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Speaker 3: You know how sometimes like you have dinner parties and

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Speaker 2: You're always hesitant to come over for dinner. Well, it's

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Speaker 5: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 6: I do you know that Bumballeo song?

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Speaker 5: It's killing me.

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Speaker 1: Killing everybody.

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Speaker 3: The reason Sometimes I have some difficulty with my digestion

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Speaker 3: Gypsy Kings. Oh this is great. You know what bumbalao?

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Speaker 1: What wobble wobble?

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Speaker 7: All right, we'll speak to.

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Speaker 3: You one thing before we go. Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: From Gimblet Media.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode, Gregor.

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Speaker 2: This guy's gonna ram you from behind because you're going

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Speaker 3: This is Gregor and Me on our way to lunch,

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Speaker 3: Of all Gregor's stories about the success of his acquaintances

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Speaker 2: Thought it was really interesting stuff. I loaned him this

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Speaker 3: This guy you're speaking of, This guy's Moby, Moby, bald headed, bespectacled,

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Speaker 2: No, I said, this is amazing thing. Next thing I

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Speaker 3: And according to Gregor, that was all he wanted to

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Speaker 3: And so this is how it went. He began leaving

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Speaker 3: Moby voice messages by Gregor's count, about a dozen that

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Speaker 3: Gregor penned a song called Moby give Me Back My CDs,

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Speaker 3: music to the tune of Brian Adams Heaven. After much cajoling,

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Speaker 3: Gregor dug up his lyrics, which I will now perform

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 1: Moby give Me Back my CDs.

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Speaker 3: The Recordings from the Field, the Alan Lomax box set CDs.

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Speaker 3: I think there were seven.

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Speaker 1: Those discs are all.

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Speaker 3: That I need, the ones I gave you from my house.

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Speaker 3: I think you'll be sure to see there were seven.

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Speaker 3: And that message, Gregor says, was met with over a

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Speaker 1: But do you think if you get it back you

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of times I'll say something completely earnestly

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Speaker 2: I think it's fundamentally, as I understand my own life,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you would even like you told me that.

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Speaker 3: Story about where you were in the conference room at work.

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Speaker 3: They're like complimenting you on your new glasses or something

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Speaker 3: And you were like, how the fuck do I know?

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Speaker 3: I whyn't you ask my wife to find out?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember?

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Speaker 3: Recently, Gregor and Moby have found themselves back in touch,

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Speaker 1: Gregor's older brother.

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Speaker 3: it's still an open door. And so I couldn't help

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, were you, just because it's

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Speaker 2: for talismonic purposes, it would be interesting to have them back.

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Speaker 1: Say more about that.

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Speaker 2: I think that it might soothe me.

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Speaker 1: Do you really think it would.

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Speaker 2: I'll actually give you the clarity which just came to me. Now, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not instead of the money and the fame and

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Speaker 3: You want to be able to say, see these CDs

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Speaker 2: That's the ones that I gave to mommy, Because for me,

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Speaker 2: this would just be a version of proof.

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Speaker 3: Wanting the CDs you lent someone decades ago and expecting

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Speaker 3: them back is of course insanity, but insanity's repeated often enough,

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Speaker 3: especially between friends, can begin to feel pacifying, lulling, even.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, in a way, you just want your due.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Do you think you can articulate that in a

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Speaker 2: Do you think I'm pretty confident I can't, because he's

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Speaker 3: Okay, pretty sensitive, pretty sensitive. Like the time Moby seemed

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Speaker 3: to bristle when Gregor emailed him about something totally innocuous,

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Speaker 3: a condolence for the death of Moby's friend David Bowie.

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Speaker 2: You know, I said some witty thing about David Bowie dying,

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Speaker 1: Let's back up for a moment.

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Speaker 3: What was the witty thing you said about David Bowie's death?

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Speaker 2: You know, like good night, funny man.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: That's usually what I say when people die.

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Speaker 3: If this is a sampling of the hot takes Gregor

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Speaker 3: also knew that if he has any hope of ever

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Speaker 3: don't know if this is going to lead to anything

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Speaker 3: but heartbreak. But why don't we go after the CDs

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Speaker 3: all right? And with that ringing call to arms, my

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Speaker 3: path was set and the mission begun. Say I'm Moby, Like,

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Speaker 3: how would you ask, Hey, Moby.

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Speaker 2: Can I have back those CDs? I've never understood any

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Speaker 2: approach other than a direct approach, So that's what I

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Speaker 3: After the break the Hollywood Hills, a surprise encounter with

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Speaker 3: Rue Paul and maybe Moby. Maybe the airline tickets were purchased,

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Speaker 3: the hotel was booked, but a couple days before we

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Speaker 3: were set to leave for La, I got nervous. If

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Speaker 6: Hello, hey Annika?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: I decided to reach out to the person who knows

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Speaker 3: Gregor best, his.

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Speaker 1: Wife, Annika.

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Speaker 3: So do you know about this this little project that

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Speaker 8: So I think that the is a strategy to like

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Speaker 8: ambush Moby and try and get him to give back

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Speaker 8: the CDs that he lent Gregor thirty years ago or

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Speaker 8: however long it was ago. Is that true?

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Speaker 3: You make it sound like such a classy operation. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: has Gregor brought this issue up to you before this

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Speaker 3: whole Alan Lomack CD issue.

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Speaker 8: So I met him on November eleventh, two thousand. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and it came up pretty early in our relationship, so.

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Speaker 3: He yeah, like first date conversation, it was.

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Speaker 8: Definitely early on. It's very hard for him to let

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Speaker 8: stuff go. And like even like early on in our relationship,

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Speaker 8: we went to Spain together and we bought a bottle

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Speaker 3: Do you know, I think I actually know that olive

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Speaker 3: oil story.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Yeah. There is something that is in his

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Speaker 8: where it's like, you know, like obsessing about a very

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Speaker 8: small point. But you know, he's a very he's like

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Speaker 8: a very sensitive person, so it's just part of who

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Speaker 3: Does this undertaking have your blessing or do you think

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Speaker 3: it's foolhardy?

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Speaker 8: I don't. Sometimes I worry about Gregor's feelings because he

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Speaker 8: is very hurt, very easily, and I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I Gregor flew in from San Francisco. And I was

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Speaker 3: there to greet him at the Bob Hope International Airport

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Speaker 3: in Burbank.

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Speaker 2: So this is the dream factory I've heard about it.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful here.

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Speaker 3: Even the underground parking lots smell like sentent lotion. We

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Speaker 3: have four hours before our appointment with Moby. We set

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Speaker 3: off in our economy sized carrio or similar to experience

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Speaker 3: everything LA has to offer.

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Speaker 9: Are you excited?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't sound excited.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm full of anxiety. And let me tell you,

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Speaker 2: I feel an increasing sense of dread about the futility

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Speaker 6: You can get those CDs back, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whatever you say in a.

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Speaker 9: Plastic bag, which he'll supply.

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Speaker 10: You're gonna negotiate this look manage at which time of

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Speaker 10: my client's choosing the one plastic bag recycled acceptable, plus

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Speaker 10: one coupon good for any flavor from basket in Robin's

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Speaker 3: With just three hours and fifty nine minutes to go,

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Speaker 3: things were off to a rollicking start.

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Speaker 9: It's like not moving.

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Speaker 2: There's always traffic in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 9: Look at the traffic.

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Speaker 6: Are we gonna make it for movies?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna be stuck in horrible traffic.

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Speaker 6: We have until two, No, we have until one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, really, we'll never make it.

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Speaker 9: Oh look there's the big Hollywood sign. Wow, what a sight.

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Speaker 9: Huh used to say hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Land Actually before that it was called hollywood Landville.

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Speaker 9: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Do you want Mexican food? Do you ever eat Mexican food?

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Speaker 1: I love Mexican food.

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Speaker 2: And to make you turn yeah, go go go? This

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Speaker 2: is like a four lane uie, it's six? Really, go

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Speaker 2: go go go. Yes. When you knew to someone before

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Speaker 2: they were famous and you treat them like someone who's

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Speaker 2: not famous, sometimes they don't like that. Sometimes they're used

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Speaker 2: to the difference and the rock star treatment from everyone.

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Speaker 6: Can you try to treat them with a little more difference.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna try to. But the mask always slips.

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Speaker 3: In so far as me coming here with you, how

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Speaker 2: I'm actually full of dread mostly because of that.

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Speaker 7: But what is that supposed to me?

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Speaker 2: Because I recognize that I need an interlocut I did

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Speaker 2: say that, and I do believe it. I think that

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Speaker 6: What do you think I'm gonna embarrass you in front

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Speaker 6: of your yes famous friends.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's what you're afraid of.

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Speaker 3: Yes, No, But seriously you think I'm gonna blow this.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like you don't get the vibe of

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna be like, say, nice toilets, what are

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Speaker 2: these made of? Porcelain? Ay, I'm gonna be like Johnny please,

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Speaker 2: and you'll be like, no, I don't know what they're

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Speaker 5: This is to me the final irony of this whole

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Speaker 5: thing that you're concerned that I'm gonna embarrass you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to trip me up in my game,

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Speaker 2: my stride, my cadence.

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Speaker 6: And what is it gonna be a part of your game?

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Speaker 2: Here to try and relax and be myself, but I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be made self conscious when you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, do you validate talking here?

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Speaker 2: And I just need you to validate.

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Speaker 9: God, this is so pretty? What a pretty place to live?

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Speaker 2: Hey, well you're selling off CDs, you can live in

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Speaker 2: a place like this.

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Speaker 3: Worried about our being tardy, I decided to run down

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Speaker 3: the clock doing laps around Moby's very pretty block.

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Speaker 2: Little tiny houses.

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Speaker 9: They keep going straight. This is really pretty nice view

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Speaker 9: of the mountains.

441
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:33,050
Speaker 2: This is his house right here where all right here?

442
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:34,570
Speaker 2: I want to drive by it, this.

443
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:35,649
Speaker 9: House right there at the corner.

444
00:24:35,929 --> 00:24:38,209
Speaker 3: We were passing the gates of his home over and

445
00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:41,689
Speaker 3: over when a half hour before our appointed meeting.

446
00:24:42,090 --> 00:24:44,010
Speaker 2: That's movie right there, is it? Yeah?

447
00:24:44,129 --> 00:24:47,249
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, Moby emerges through the gates to get his newspaper.

448
00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:51,209
Speaker 3: Excited about seeing an honest to goodness famous person. I

449
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:54,850
Speaker 3: instinctively slowed to a crawl and pulled over beside him.

450
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:58,169
Speaker 2: Go say hi, no, no, come on, let him go

451
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:59,409
Speaker 2: to keep going.

452
00:24:59,449 --> 00:25:00,409
Speaker 9: He just turned around.

453
00:25:00,530 --> 00:25:01,010
Speaker 2: He didn't see.

454
00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:01,730
Speaker 9: Yes, he did.

455
00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:04,769
Speaker 5: He turned around and we made eye contact, and like,

456
00:25:04,810 --> 00:25:07,090
Speaker 5: I slid right up to him, and he turned around

457
00:25:07,129 --> 00:25:07,929
Speaker 5: and he seemed scared.

458
00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:09,050
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking.

459
00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:10,490
Speaker 6: What did I do?

460
00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:11,969
Speaker 2: You're creepy, instance.

461
00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:13,369
Speaker 7: Creepy.

462
00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:14,850
Speaker 2: They don't slide up to people when they're going to

463
00:25:14,889 --> 00:25:15,889
Speaker 2: get their pretty That's true.

464
00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:17,769
Speaker 9: I really I really did slide up to him.

465
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:21,290
Speaker 2: Yah, you did, like a creep. You're gonna go another

466
00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:24,209
Speaker 2: pass through when he comes up for his milk.

467
00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,369
Speaker 3: We walk off our nerves in a nearby park where

468
00:25:31,409 --> 00:25:34,810
Speaker 3: Gregor dispenses life wisdom to a passing toddler.

469
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:37,770
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, kid, best, It's going to be for the

470
00:25:37,810 --> 00:25:38,449
Speaker 2: rest of your life.

471
00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:42,729
Speaker 9: Who says things like that to a Child's happy?

472
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:44,650
Speaker 2: In love? His shirt said love. He's holding a little.

473
00:25:44,449 --> 00:25:51,290
Speaker 3: Girls outside Moby's door. We do some last minute strategizing.

474
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:52,810
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to be the good cop or the

475
00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:53,770
Speaker 2: bad cop? I can't remember?

476
00:25:54,050 --> 00:25:56,049
Speaker 6: Well, I guess you were supposed to be the bad cop. No,

477
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:57,449
Speaker 6: I'm the bad cop. You're the good cop.

478
00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:58,730
Speaker 2: I'll usually play the bad cop.

479
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:59,930
Speaker 6: So fine, you're the bad cop.

480
00:25:59,929 --> 00:26:01,690
Speaker 2: It's twelve to fifty seven. It's not really one yet.

481
00:26:02,490 --> 00:26:05,209
Speaker 6: Hall Wait, oh, hello, Hi, I'm.

482
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:08,369
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're early. It's twelve fifty seven. It's three minutes

483
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:08,810
Speaker 2: too early.

484
00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:13,249
Speaker 3: Moby's personal assistant, a terrifyingly fit woman in jeans and

485
00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:16,889
Speaker 3: T shirt, leads us towards Moby's home. By rockstar standards,

486
00:26:17,169 --> 00:26:20,689
Speaker 3: it's pretty modest.

487
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,209
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hi, Sharman Moe and far too long? Should

488
00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:24,850
Speaker 2: I take shoes off?

489
00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:25,090
Speaker 6: Hi?

490
00:26:25,129 --> 00:26:25,810
Speaker 9: I am Jonathan.

491
00:26:25,889 --> 00:26:28,249
Speaker 3: Were led into a sunken foyer where a couple of

492
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:32,449
Speaker 3: assistants are gathering equipment and making themselves scarce. Standing at

493
00:26:32,449 --> 00:26:34,929
Speaker 3: the top of the stairs, looking not unlike a bald

494
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:38,969
Speaker 3: headed gray hoodie Norma Desmond is Moby Gregor and he

495
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:43,169
Speaker 3: do not hug or even shake hands. They don't even wave.

496
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:46,570
Speaker 2: It's been far too long, my friend where he's staying, and.

497
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:50,729
Speaker 1: Gregor drops his bag and has a looxie.

498
00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:52,969
Speaker 2: Beautiful location, your beautiful assistant.

499
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:58,129
Speaker 3: Everything he's even brought along a thoughtful gift, something to

500
00:26:58,209 --> 00:27:02,690
Speaker 3: cater to Moby's strict veganism and clean, healthy lifestyle. Fancy

501
00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:04,569
Speaker 3: all natural lemonades.

502
00:27:04,649 --> 00:27:10,609
Speaker 2: Something disgusting with turmeric, whoa, something awful with probioticene peppers,

503
00:27:10,609 --> 00:27:13,169
Speaker 2: something horrifying with lemons.

504
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:17,850
Speaker 3: To our parched dismay. Moby takes the beverages and places

505
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:20,769
Speaker 3: them in the fridge. Gregor and I are never to

506
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:24,529
Speaker 3: see those beverages again. As we settle in and I

507
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:27,889
Speaker 3: set up our recording gear, Gregor notices a pile of

508
00:27:27,970 --> 00:27:28,850
Speaker 3: video equipment.

509
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:30,609
Speaker 2: Why do you have two C three hundred here?

510
00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:34,850
Speaker 3: Remember that slippery mask? Gregor mentioned the one hiding is

511
00:27:34,929 --> 00:27:39,490
Speaker 3: rough edges. Ten seconds in and it was already a slippin' Why.

512
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:41,609
Speaker 2: Am I not involved that produce films all the time.

513
00:27:41,609 --> 00:27:44,090
Speaker 3: I can help you to which Moby rather than saying

514
00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:46,330
Speaker 3: he's worked with David Lynch and David Lea Chappelle and

515
00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:50,010
Speaker 3: probably all set on that front, instead says, I mean

516
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:51,090
Speaker 3: you live in San Francisco.

517
00:27:51,209 --> 00:27:53,529
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm here all the time, not literally in

518
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:56,090
Speaker 2: your living room, in your kitchen, though I could be

519
00:27:56,169 --> 00:27:56,889
Speaker 2: more Often.

520
00:27:57,570 --> 00:28:00,449
Speaker 3: Gregor can't help treating Moby like a nephew making his

521
00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:04,090
Speaker 3: first student film. That is, Gregor's treating Moby the way

522
00:28:04,129 --> 00:28:07,570
Speaker 3: he treats me. And this, of course is concerning.

523
00:28:07,689 --> 00:28:11,609
Speaker 2: First of all, even get that far, how could you?

524
00:28:14,889 --> 00:28:17,929
Speaker 3: At this point, Moby has mostly no idea why we're here.

525
00:28:18,369 --> 00:28:20,689
Speaker 3: I made an appointment with his assistant, but it was

526
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:23,609
Speaker 3: left vague. So Moby takes the direct approach.

527
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:25,129
Speaker 11: So what are you guys doing?

528
00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:29,769
Speaker 2: Well, this is an excellent question. Well, let's begin at

529
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:33,730
Speaker 2: the beginning, around the time contemporaneous with your recent autobiography,

530
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:36,290
Speaker 2: the mid nineties two thousands, and.

531
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:40,249
Speaker 3: Like, after all of his braggadoccio about how he was

532
00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:42,770
Speaker 3: going to walk in there and demand the CDs back,

533
00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:47,850
Speaker 3: Gregor's nervous, being uncharacteristically mealy mouthed, unable to explain the

534
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:49,250
Speaker 3: basics of our mission.

535
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:51,530
Speaker 2: And so this conversation became down this kind of alleyway

536
00:28:51,650 --> 00:28:54,289
Speaker 2: of that facet of like, I was kind of like,

537
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:57,289
Speaker 2: what is me?

538
00:28:57,410 --> 00:29:00,249
Speaker 3: Moby had limited time, so at the risk of embarrassing

539
00:29:00,290 --> 00:29:02,930
Speaker 3: Gregor in front of his famous friend, I decided to

540
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:06,529
Speaker 3: step in and explain. So, can I tell my story

541
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:09,250
Speaker 3: of you coming to last time I saw Gregor?

542
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:10,970
Speaker 9: He came to visit me at work.

543
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:14,249
Speaker 3: And you were kind of in this mood where you

544
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:18,250
Speaker 3: were feeling like maybe those things that you were hopeful

545
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:22,930
Speaker 3: about achieving were not going to be happening. And I

546
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:25,570
Speaker 3: think you were in well Gregor looks on skeptically. I

547
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:29,570
Speaker 3: try to explain to Moby Gregor's midlife malaise how everyone

548
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:33,090
Speaker 3: was passing him by. Can you relate to the feeling

549
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,209
Speaker 3: of like, have you ever, at different points in your

550
00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:39,969
Speaker 3: life felt like like surpassed by your friends or you

551
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:40,370
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

552
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:40,530
Speaker 7: Oh?

553
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:46,729
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like there's always going to be someone doing so

554
00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:48,690
Speaker 11: much better than you that if you spend the time

555
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:50,570
Speaker 11: to look at it, you're going to feel bad about yourself.

556
00:29:51,170 --> 00:29:53,770
Speaker 11: Like my nemesis, well, according to him for a while,

557
00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:56,370
Speaker 11: was eminem. So if he was my nemesis, I was

558
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,930
Speaker 11: just being beaten publicly and badly because he was always

559
00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:05,650
Speaker 11: more successful, always selling more records, always more popular, always cooler,

560
00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:09,329
Speaker 11: And so depends on who I was comparing myself too.

561
00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,969
Speaker 11: Over time, like other people start selling more records, getting

562
00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:17,610
Speaker 11: better reviews, you start selling fewer tickets. And then as

563
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:25,010
Speaker 11: the two thousands progressed, my career waned and other people's escalated,

564
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:26,729
Speaker 11: you know, like I would go to visit my record

565
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:30,410
Speaker 11: company and they'd have my picture behind the receptionist desk,

566
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:32,730
Speaker 11: and then one day I show up and it's Jack

567
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:35,529
Speaker 11: White's picture behind the reception system, Like wha what?

568
00:30:36,490 --> 00:30:38,610
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I think the only way to hear that,

569
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:43,090
Speaker 2: honestly is in the split screen between totally head nodding

570
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:46,249
Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree and totally like easy for you

571
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:49,530
Speaker 2: to say, because you're looking down from the mountain, looking up,

572
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:52,770
Speaker 2: You're like, fucking knock that guy off the mountain because

573
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:54,250
Speaker 2: all I need is mind billion dollars down I looked.

574
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:56,850
Speaker 11: But really, the kick in the teeth of fame is

575
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:59,370
Speaker 11: that if you don't have it, you beat yourself up

576
00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:01,170
Speaker 11: that you don't have it, and if you do have it,

577
00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:05,130
Speaker 11: you're miserable and you kill yourself. Literally, the most depressed

578
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:09,410
Speaker 11: I've ever been in my entire life was the height

579
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:12,650
Speaker 11: of my professional success. And I remember this one moment

580
00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:16,930
Speaker 11: so clearly. I was at an MTV Awards in Barcelona,

581
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:20,489
Speaker 11: and there's this hotel called the Arts Hotel in Barcelona,

582
00:31:20,650 --> 00:31:23,170
Speaker 11: and it's so beautiful and at the tippity top of

583
00:31:23,209 --> 00:31:27,450
Speaker 11: the hotel they have four three bedroom apartments and I

584
00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:30,450
Speaker 11: was in one. P Diddy was in one, John bon

585
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:33,130
Speaker 11: Jovi was in one, and Madonna was in one. And

586
00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:35,570
Speaker 11: so you'd take like one elevator to get to a

587
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:38,329
Speaker 11: certain floor, then another elevator to another floor, and then

588
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:40,370
Speaker 11: a security guard would wave you through up to.

589
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:42,249
Speaker 1: Our hallowed floor.

590
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,489
Speaker 11: And the first night I was there, I invited some

591
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:47,450
Speaker 11: people over to like look at the view and drink,

592
00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:49,570
Speaker 11: and I kept drinking by myself, and I got more

593
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:52,969
Speaker 11: and more despondent, and I literally, at the end of

594
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:56,770
Speaker 11: the evening, before going to bed, was walking around this beautiful,

595
00:31:56,810 --> 00:32:00,730
Speaker 11: insane apartment crying, thinking about how I could get out

596
00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:06,209
Speaker 11: the window to kill myself. And the next day I

597
00:32:06,209 --> 00:32:09,769
Speaker 11: won an MTV award. So it's like, professionally, things couldn't

598
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:12,050
Speaker 11: have been better, you know. The day before I'd played

599
00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:14,250
Speaker 11: a huge concert, selling lots of records. The day after

600
00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:16,930
Speaker 11: won an award, played more huge concerts, and I've never

601
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:18,610
Speaker 11: been more despondent.

602
00:32:20,170 --> 00:32:22,210
Speaker 2: I appreciate your making up that story just to make

603
00:32:22,209 --> 00:32:22,730
Speaker 2: me feel good.

604
00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:26,130
Speaker 11: It's completely true, because I remember walking around this hotel

605
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:29,410
Speaker 11: and these walls of glass only had these little bitty

606
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:31,810
Speaker 11: like foldy open windows at the bottom, and I was

607
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:33,489
Speaker 11: looking at that and I was like, Fuck, if that

608
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:35,970
Speaker 11: window opened more, I would just jump out and die

609
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:39,850
Speaker 11: because I'm done. You think when you get to where

610
00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:42,410
Speaker 11: you want to go, finally you'll be happy, but then

611
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:44,729
Speaker 11: you get to where you want to go and you're

612
00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:47,050
Speaker 11: just as miserable as you were. In fact, you're even

613
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:50,249
Speaker 11: even more miserable because you no longer have anything to

614
00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:55,650
Speaker 11: aspire to, and you feel this hopelessness because everything like

615
00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:57,850
Speaker 11: what's left to aspire towards.

616
00:32:59,530 --> 00:33:02,210
Speaker 3: It feels like Moby's trying to explain something to Gregor.

617
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:05,650
Speaker 3: Moby grew up poor with a single mother and lived

618
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:06,530
Speaker 3: on food stamps.

619
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:07,690
Speaker 1: When Moby was.

620
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,489
Speaker 3: A kid, his dad died in a car crash, and

621
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:13,290
Speaker 3: a few years ago his mom passed away from lung cancer.

622
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:16,770
Speaker 3: He has no siblings, so essentially he's alone.

623
00:33:17,770 --> 00:33:19,690
Speaker 11: I look at Gregor and I think of like, I

624
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:23,450
Speaker 11: know his family very well, and from my perspective, like,

625
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:25,289
Speaker 11: first all, he has a like I don't. Really I

626
00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:27,130
Speaker 11: have some aunts and uncles and cousins.

627
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:28,050
Speaker 1: You have some other.

628
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:28,730
Speaker 2: Siblings, I'm sure.

629
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:36,850
Speaker 11: And and to me that still makes me feel like, oh,

630
00:33:37,090 --> 00:33:40,090
Speaker 11: he's figured out things that I don't understand.

631
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:48,730
Speaker 2: Of course I'm very successful. That I have a beautiful

632
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:51,330
Speaker 2: child and blah blah blah, two of them. Actually I

633
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:53,090
Speaker 2: won't say which one. I have two children. One is

634
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:58,489
Speaker 2: beautiful anyway, you know, the like a man's wealth is

635
00:33:58,530 --> 00:34:02,970
Speaker 2: measured in family, you know, And but it's not you.

636
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,930
Speaker 6: You turn every time these things come up.

637
00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:06,090
Speaker 1: You always make them into light.

638
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:07,769
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying is something you hear at

639
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:11,489
Speaker 2: the in the South Park, right. But what I'm saying

640
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:13,969
Speaker 2: is that that era when like it still seemed like

641
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:16,210
Speaker 2: life had potential to go a bunch of different ways.

642
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:19,570
Speaker 2: Now it seemed less. So it's not even squandered potential.

643
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:22,090
Speaker 2: It's just like you could have been somebody becomes like

644
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:22,610
Speaker 2: you didn't.

645
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:28,530
Speaker 11: Every year you lose a little bit of potential, you know,

646
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:32,410
Speaker 11: Like at this point, like I'm fifty and I'm like, oh,

647
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:35,130
Speaker 11: most of my life. I thought at some point I

648
00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:46,690
Speaker 11: could be a father. I'm like, well probably not, and

649
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:47,690
Speaker 11: I have one issue.

650
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:49,489
Speaker 1: Yeah I really have to peek go ahead.

651
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:57,410
Speaker 3: Well, movie was conveniently indisposed. I took the opportunity to

652
00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:01,690
Speaker 3: reiterate our mission getting back the CDs as much.

653
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:04,370
Speaker 1: As it behoosy, like, just try to keep it tout the.

654
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:07,170
Speaker 2: CDs, all right, I don't think we only have about

655
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:07,730
Speaker 2: ten minutes search.

656
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:09,170
Speaker 1: That's what I want to get to it.

657
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:11,410
Speaker 2: Do you want me to wrestle onto the ground and no,

658
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:13,890
Speaker 2: you have something, particularly money you want to say.

659
00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:18,850
Speaker 3: Moby emerges from the bathroom, cutting our conversation short, and

660
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:22,810
Speaker 3: Gregor steps up to the plate and begins in the middle.

661
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:26,530
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still listen to Sounds of the South on YouTube.

662
00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:30,330
Speaker 2: They have the full set. And as far as that

663
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:34,170
Speaker 2: actual des set, did you hang on to that or

664
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:36,930
Speaker 2: that is the CD the box, that's the actual stuff.

665
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:42,530
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're somewhere. Most of it's in storage and Queens

666
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:48,810
Speaker 11: so like this medium sized storage locker and it's just

667
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:52,130
Speaker 11: like packed to the rafters with stuff.

668
00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:58,130
Speaker 3: Finally, it's my moment to be the interlocutor. I think

669
00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:03,210
Speaker 3: Gregor sort of wanted those CDs back if only to

670
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:05,650
Speaker 3: put them on a mantle, to feel like I was

671
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:08,650
Speaker 3: a part of something, like I mattered, I existed.

672
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:11,330
Speaker 2: And I view this more like I handed you the

673
00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:13,090
Speaker 2: pen and then you wrote, you know, the great book

674
00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:15,250
Speaker 2: with it. It's not that I had some role in.

675
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:17,770
Speaker 3: But like the guy who introduced Andy Warhol to the

676
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:19,930
Speaker 3: can of Campbell's soup or what I mean.

677
00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:21,930
Speaker 2: This is not like a legal deposition where it's like

678
00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:23,489
Speaker 2: who said it? I mean it was fucking twenty five

679
00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:24,290
Speaker 2: years ago.

680
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:25,130
Speaker 1: As Gregor and I parry.

681
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,410
Speaker 3: It's almost like we forget that Moby's even there when

682
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,450
Speaker 3: suddenly he pipes up one thing.

683
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,450
Speaker 11: Just to be super clear from the album play, two

684
00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:38,010
Speaker 11: of the most remarkably iconic songs on the record would

685
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:40,730
Speaker 11: never have been written or existed had I not been

686
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:43,810
Speaker 11: given those CDs. Like I didn't know who Alan Lomax was,

687
00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:48,330
Speaker 11: and I that the box set called Sounds of the South,

688
00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:52,050
Speaker 11: I didn't know it existed, and I certainly like it

689
00:36:52,090 --> 00:36:54,570
Speaker 11: was an expensive box set. And there's no way I

690
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:57,690
Speaker 11: was going to walk into Tower Records and spend sixty

691
00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:00,770
Speaker 11: five dollars or however much it was going to be

692
00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:03,570
Speaker 11: on a box set. I knew nothing about from an

693
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:06,330
Speaker 11: archivist I'd never heard of, so like, those are one

694
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:09,010
Speaker 11: hundred percent the result of me being given those.

695
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:12,930
Speaker 3: Wait, so we're saying you're not. Gregor's not getting the

696
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:13,650
Speaker 3: CDs back.

697
00:37:15,010 --> 00:37:20,890
Speaker 11: Okay, here's the story. Friend of mine, her mother died

698
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:26,250
Speaker 11: in a very very sad, tragic way, and she came

699
00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:29,290
Speaker 11: to me and she started crying, and she said that

700
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:32,930
Speaker 11: at the funeral they played the song Natural Blues and

701
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:35,450
Speaker 11: everyone in the church was crying and it was one

702
00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:37,930
Speaker 11: of the most powerful emotional moments of her life that

703
00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:41,370
Speaker 11: wouldn't have ever existed if you hadn't given me those CDs.

704
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:45,210
Speaker 11: So to me, that's more priceless and precious than any

705
00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:50,170
Speaker 11: sort of like objective, quantifiable metric.

706
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:53,450
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?

707
00:37:54,850 --> 00:38:01,570
Speaker 2: I mean it makes me feel like thinking about, you know,

708
00:38:01,690 --> 00:38:03,890
Speaker 2: getting a pair of bolt cutters and breaking into a

709
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:07,050
Speaker 2: steady storage in Queens is not what I'm going to do.

710
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:07,930
Speaker 2: That was my plan.

711
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:12,930
Speaker 3: And so Gregor doesn't get what he came for. But

712
00:38:13,050 --> 00:38:15,850
Speaker 3: maybe not getting everything you want in the grander scheme

713
00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:18,290
Speaker 3: isn't so bad.

714
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:34,130
Speaker 11: One practical issue. So I have two podcast interviews to

715
00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:36,890
Speaker 11: do today. You guys are the first and a second

716
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,530
Speaker 11: you're in good company. It's with Rue Paul nice crazy.

717
00:38:41,370 --> 00:38:44,210
Speaker 11: I mean, if you wanted to, we could always drive there,

718
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,650
Speaker 11: Like if you guys want to get in the car

719
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:49,770
Speaker 11: with me. My girlfriend is coming here. She's gonna go

720
00:38:49,810 --> 00:38:51,650
Speaker 11: with me because she's an obsessive Rue Paul fan.

721
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:56,730
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Moby, his girlfriend, Gregor and I pile into

722
00:38:56,730 --> 00:39:00,650
Speaker 3: Moby's Prias seen from the outside, Gregor seems happy to

723
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:03,450
Speaker 3: be a part of Moby's life again. He's even feeling

724
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:06,530
Speaker 3: comfortable enough to favor us with his famous John Travolta

725
00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:07,610
Speaker 3: imitation I.

726
00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:12,490
Speaker 2: Could drink pee go, I could drink tea John Travolta.

727
00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:14,850
Speaker 2: When she says, he says, watch your cough with me.

728
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:17,810
Speaker 2: Sometimes she's like, in Manhattan, we don't drink coffee, we

729
00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:19,810
Speaker 2: drink tea. And he's like, so what, I could drink tea.

730
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:25,130
Speaker 3: And then, for whatever reason, Moby takes over my role

731
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:29,290
Speaker 3: of interlocutor and begins explaining Gregor's style to his girlfriend.

732
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:33,890
Speaker 2: And Gregor is funny and.

733
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:39,970
Speaker 11: At times like would maybe be here. It comes honest

734
00:39:40,330 --> 00:39:44,330
Speaker 11: in a way that people might be take offence to

735
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:45,730
Speaker 11: or at Or.

736
00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:57,930
Speaker 3: As Moby's learning firsthand interlocketing for Gregor isn't so easy.

737
00:39:58,010 --> 00:40:00,850
Speaker 11: Hi, I'm here for RuPaul's podcast.

738
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,730
Speaker 3: At the hotel, we're shown into a conference room where

739
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:10,370
Speaker 3: we're greeted by Rupe Paul and his co host Michelle.

740
00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:13,370
Speaker 3: As I trail behind Moby for the first time in

741
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:15,890
Speaker 3: my life, I feel a part of a bona fide

742
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:17,210
Speaker 3: Hollywood entourage.

743
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:20,330
Speaker 11: So we've been doing an interesting podcast because Gregor and

744
00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:25,290
Speaker 11: I've known each other for twenty seven years at all Yeah.

745
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:28,810
Speaker 3: We watch as RuPaul interviews Moby, and when Moby says

746
00:40:28,810 --> 00:40:32,930
Speaker 3: interesting things like my mom was born in San Diego.

747
00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:35,490
Speaker 2: Was born in San Diego.

748
00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:39,810
Speaker 3: RuPaul responds with engaged interest, and when Moby off handedly

749
00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:45,410
Speaker 3: mentions a song, RuPaul and Michelle sing it, and as

750
00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:49,730
Speaker 3: they do, I find myself thinking only one thing, now,

751
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:57,650
Speaker 3: this is how you run a podcast. Right. When Moby

752
00:40:57,690 --> 00:41:00,529
Speaker 3: and Gregor say their goodbyes, Moby tells him that he'll

753
00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:02,930
Speaker 3: be coming to San Francisco soon and he'll be sure

754
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:05,570
Speaker 3: to give Gregor a call, and Gregor says he'd like that.

755
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:09,010
Speaker 3: But before parting, Gregor can't help giving it just one

756
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:10,050
Speaker 3: last nudge.

757
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:12,170
Speaker 2: I have one more question for you. Can you just

758
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:14,290
Speaker 2: tell me the name of the storage facility where the

759
00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:16,930
Speaker 2: CD is. No, it's for a friend. They need to

760
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:19,810
Speaker 2: store something in Queens. No, there was one place. I'm

761
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:21,170
Speaker 2: just saying, Hey, it's the same place.

762
00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:26,530
Speaker 3: Gregor's comfortable enough to joke around about something that had

763
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:30,570
Speaker 3: once plagued him, and Moby's comfortable enough to uncomfortably laugh

764
00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:44,370
Speaker 3: along with him. All around it feels pretty nice.

765
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:47,969
Speaker 6: So how did you feel about how that went?

766
00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:49,330
Speaker 2: I think it was cathartic.

767
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:53,850
Speaker 3: No, really, seriously, With some time to kill before a flight,

768
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:56,810
Speaker 3: Gregor and I decide to hike up to the observatory.

769
00:41:57,090 --> 00:41:59,050
Speaker 3: Do you feel like he screwed you out of your CDs?

770
00:41:59,130 --> 00:41:59,330
Speaker 9: Yet?

771
00:41:59,330 --> 00:41:59,610
Speaker 7: Again?

772
00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:03,570
Speaker 2: The honest truth is, he did give me a good

773
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:05,529
Speaker 2: long song, a dance about how we all learned a lesson.

774
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:07,410
Speaker 2: I didn't get the thing that I set out to get,

775
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:10,930
Speaker 2: But in seriousness, I honestly feel, in a funny sort

776
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:13,090
Speaker 2: of way, I got what I came for.

777
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:16,570
Speaker 6: Which was what you didn't get your CDs.

778
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:21,730
Speaker 2: You see, you're a petty person. What you just saw

779
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:26,090
Speaker 2: and apparently were deaf you couldn't hear, was a reconciliation

780
00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:29,250
Speaker 2: with two guys after twenty five years of slight estrangement.

781
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,050
Speaker 6: So you guys did get to be friends.

782
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:34,690
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we just buried the hatchets. This CD thing, Yeah,

783
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:36,690
Speaker 2: that is a symbol. I mean, who cares about the CD?

784
00:42:36,810 --> 00:42:38,850
Speaker 6: But you one who cared about the CD.

785
00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:42,930
Speaker 2: Look, it's hard to come together and just hug it out.

786
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:45,770
Speaker 2: What you just witnessed was a version of hugging it out,

787
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:50,210
Speaker 2: two men having a good cry. That's about the closest

788
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:50,650
Speaker 2: that I come.

789
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:55,010
Speaker 6: Well, then, I think that was great. I think this

790
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:55,930
Speaker 6: was a success.

791
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:57,170
Speaker 2: I agree.

792
00:42:59,370 --> 00:43:01,210
Speaker 6: Still would have been nice to get your CDs.

793
00:43:00,890 --> 00:43:07,450
Speaker 2: Back, of course. I don't know if the rental car

794
00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:10,610
Speaker 2: you got there at any player, but it doesn't. It

795
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:12,290
Speaker 2: would have been no better ending to this day than

796
00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:14,890
Speaker 2: to drive out of the parking lot cranking that CD.

797
00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:18,250
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the cars don't have nobody has CD players anymore.

798
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:20,410
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. If some of the

799
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:23,010
Speaker 2: Mobi's song comes on the radio right now, I'd let

800
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:25,170
Speaker 2: it play. I'd even sing along.

801
00:43:25,850 --> 00:43:27,610
Speaker 6: I'm going to find it out my phone and play it.

802
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,410
Speaker 2: That's okay, you sure?

803
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:31,690
Speaker 6: Because I actually downloaded.

804
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:32,050
Speaker 9: It as best for.

805
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:40,690
Speaker 3: Three days later, and much to his surprise, Gregor received

806
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:44,450
Speaker 3: an email from Mobi. This might sound odd, the email read,

807
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:47,450
Speaker 3: but I realized I never said a true, heartfelt thank

808
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:50,770
Speaker 3: you for giving me those CDs, So, in all sincerity,

809
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:54,130
Speaker 3: thank you. I'm sorry it's taken so long to say

810
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,810
Speaker 3: thank you. Gregor said he was happier that the thank

811
00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:00,730
Speaker 3: you came three days later. This way, he knew it

812
00:44:00,770 --> 00:44:03,330
Speaker 3: wasn't just out of politeness, that it must have been

813
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:07,370
Speaker 3: quote boring a hole through his head for days after

814
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:10,810
Speaker 3: receiving Mobis thank you, greg immediately wrote back thank you

815
00:44:10,850 --> 00:44:13,810
Speaker 3: of his own, in the form of a joke, which,

816
00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:16,410
Speaker 3: if you didn't know Gregor, could also be taken as

817
00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:20,330
Speaker 3: an insult. But Moby did know Gregor, and so for Gregor,

818
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:56,170
Speaker 3: it was back to being a normal friendship now that

819
00:44:56,370 --> 00:45:05,810
Speaker 3: the furnitures returned to its goodwill home, now that the.

820
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:09,650
Speaker 9: Last month's rent is scheming.

821
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:12,850
Speaker 1: The damage did not take this moment to this.

822
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:17,930
Speaker 6: If we messed him, and we too.

823
00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:22,330
Speaker 7: Felt around from five to.

824
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:25,450
Speaker 2: Things.

825
00:45:29,970 --> 00:45:32,570
Speaker 1: Well, so what'd you think?

826
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:36,090
Speaker 2: The one one guy was really good? The funny guy,

827
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:36,650
Speaker 2: he was great.

828
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:39,370
Speaker 1: So let me ask you.

829
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:43,850
Speaker 3: After the episode aired all those years ago, people have

830
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:49,250
Speaker 3: continued to wonder, did Moby ever eventually, you know, go

831
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:52,610
Speaker 3: to the storage unit and dig out your old CDs?

832
00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:57,810
Speaker 4: Whatever, number of years passed. Five years later, Moby text me, oh, like,

833
00:45:57,970 --> 00:46:02,330
Speaker 4: I was emptying out a storage container in Queens and

834
00:46:02,410 --> 00:46:03,930
Speaker 4: I found the box set.

835
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:07,370
Speaker 3: So he so he he found he found the CDs,

836
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:09,890
Speaker 3: so I said, So.

837
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:13,090
Speaker 4: I said, let's meet at the Griffith Observatory and you

838
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:15,650
Speaker 4: can have me them. He lives right near that, so

839
00:46:15,850 --> 00:46:18,290
Speaker 4: he said, great, no problem. I'm like, you know whatever,

840
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:21,450
Speaker 4: ten o'clock on Tuesday, Great, no problem. The morning of

841
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,410
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, so like, I'm just coming into the

842
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:26,370
Speaker 4: park now, just I'll be up there. No response, and

843
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:29,730
Speaker 4: then I'm like, okay, I'm here and no response, and

844
00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:31,810
Speaker 4: he doesn't, you know, he doesn't show you're up there,

845
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:34,610
Speaker 4: doesn't answer anything. And I said something like, you know,

846
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:36,970
Speaker 4: if a teaser, I can just go by your house.

847
00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:38,650
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you're right here. I can just

848
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:41,050
Speaker 4: walk over to it. And no response.

849
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:45,050
Speaker 2: And then I think whatever the exact math was, but

850
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:48,370
Speaker 2: maybe the next day he was like, oh, like, so

851
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:51,330
Speaker 2: I was like preparing for an interview, preparing for a precedent.

852
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:54,210
Speaker 4: I didn't need to see him. He could have left

853
00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:56,410
Speaker 4: it an envelope in the front porch or like give

854
00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:57,690
Speaker 4: it to his assistant or whatever.

855
00:46:57,730 --> 00:47:00,570
Speaker 2: It was. You know, in so far as this whole

856
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:04,370
Speaker 2: experience was slightly not very out of slightly, it was

857
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:08,490
Speaker 2: mostly symbolic. I felt like he was not ready to

858
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:09,890
Speaker 2: do that symbolic act.

859
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:12,330
Speaker 1: He's never given you the CDs back.

860
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:12,490
Speaker 8: So.

861
00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:18,850
Speaker 4: There was not is not a resolution to that particular drama.

862
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:22,210
Speaker 3: My goodness, until you never said, hey, why don't you

863
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:24,170
Speaker 3: disdrop those CDs in the mail for me?

864
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:30,810
Speaker 2: No, because I feel like too vastly oversimplify. I won

865
00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:34,730
Speaker 2: this story. I have a great life and a great

866
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:37,170
Speaker 2: you know, family and all these things that are really

867
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:40,050
Speaker 2: what mattered to me. So whatever it was, I was

868
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:42,569
Speaker 2: seeing a hat and I came to realize it.

869
00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:45,850
Speaker 1: That was exactly what Moby was trying to tell you

870
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:46,610
Speaker 1: in the episode.

871
00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:50,170
Speaker 4: I think sometimes you're not ready to hear things. You

872
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:51,610
Speaker 4: can't force the flower to open.

873
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:55,610
Speaker 3: So maybe it's really maybe you owe Moby something. Maybe

874
00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:58,210
Speaker 3: you have you ever told him that you know you?

875
00:47:58,650 --> 00:48:00,810
Speaker 3: Did you ever thank him for what he shared with you?

876
00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:05,090
Speaker 3: And no, do you do you want to do that?

877
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:08,650
Speaker 3: I mean, should we call him right now.

878
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Speaker 2: And hear the wheels turning in your greasy.

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Speaker 3: Little So you feel like at this point, you know

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Speaker 3: what Moby for whatever reason isn't able to give you

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Speaker 3: back those CDs, so let them have them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all let go, let go of everything.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you one other thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a radio station in Portland that for some

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Speaker 4: reason is streaming on the radio here and they play

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Speaker 4: a fair bit of Moby and they've played some the

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Speaker 4: other day and I listened to it. I didn't turn

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Speaker 4: it off, which I probably might have at a certain point.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to mobi music now.

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Speaker 2: I listened to the song and I was like, pretty

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Speaker 2: good song.

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Speaker 1: And that was it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I had some critical thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he did. Gregor, thank you all right, I'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you later, talk to you later.

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Speaker 7: Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to everyone who helped put together our original

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Speaker 3: Gregor episode way back when.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: With another Encore presentation, another heavyweight Biju, as well as

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Speaker 3: another update from one of our favorite guests, so stay tuned.