1 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw this at you. There are some 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: genetic and gender realities that seem unfair to me. Oh, 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: you're driving on the freeway. You're driving on the freeway. 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: Be totally honest. If a skinny guy is in a 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: car eating, he's got burgers, you're thinking to yourself, that 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: guy's on the go, he doesn't have time to stop. 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: That guy is a hustler, he is making things happen. Okay, 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Having set guy in a car is eating burgers, You're like, 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: and I am too. Oh really, you can't even drive 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: without eating. I mean, give me a break, Like, what 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: what you can't You can't pull over? 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: You have to. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: It's a it's a we have no idea about those 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: two people. That is how people view Wait, we're all 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: watists at times. 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm not saying no to your friend Colin. 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: I can't. 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: I love your analogies. Go ahead, I'll never refuse it. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: Here's a gender reality. 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Men can hate each other. Jordan still holds a grudge 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: against Isaiah. Somehow it makes him more likable. Men can 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: taunt contrash talk. If Angel Reese appears to hate Caitlyn Clark, 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: it becomes a race topic. It is outrageous. It is unfair, 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like time out. Women athletes can hate rivals too, 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: It's not to me. 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: I'm like, is it race we hate? 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: Is it used to be a commodity like you loved 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: when the writer cup we hated the years? Now everybody's rich. 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: But the Caitlyn Clark Angel Reese rivalry. One got the 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: best of the other in college the junior year. The 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: other one got the best of senior year. One goes midway, 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: small city, one goes big city. One gets more press. 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: I just I look at it and I think it 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: doesn't bother me that Angel Reese doesn't like Caitlin like like, 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: by the way, Caitlyn's game is fun and flashy. 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: Angels a rebounder like She's probably got a little built 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: in animosity. She won't get the press. 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: I think it's the worst story in sports media. I 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 3: hate the discourse around it. I think I think it's 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: I think it brings out the worst in everybody. I 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: really do think it's it's just show a lot of 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: people are showing their ass on this story. Of course, 44 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: what you just said is correct. I one of my 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: things to trope it's a cliche that I've just I 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: like the turn of phrase that I created less hate 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: in the world, more hate in sports. Sports hate is good. 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: It is objectively good. Now when it leads to like 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 3: fights in the stands, Okay, fine, someone took it too far, 50 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that it is a bad thing. 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: Trash talk, rivalries, bolletin board material, lobbying, shots in the press, 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: hard fouls, staredowns, the occasional fight. 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Those things are good. 54 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: They're good for ratings, they're good for business, they're good 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: for fan interest, they're good for jersey sales. 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: They are good. 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: It is good for the WNBA for there to be 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: sports hape, for there to be rivalries. It is a 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: good thing that is so objectively obviously true that I 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: can't believe anyone even dares to deny it. I do 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: think the Bird Magic stuff is a little ridiculous because 62 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: Bird and Magic, in terms of talents, we're kind of equals. Yes, Yes, 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: this is more like Michael Jordan and Bill Lambert. You 64 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: know they were rivals. Yeah, but they're not really the 65 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: same type of player, right. They hated each other, they 66 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: had great moments, but they were not like no one 67 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,559 Speaker 3: was like, you know who carried the NBA at popularity, 68 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan and Bill Lambier. It was not not how 69 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: we just got Like Caitlyn Clark is the phenomenon, She's 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: the comment and like that does that spur jealousy? 71 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: No doubt. 72 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Are there interesting racial components to that story that I 73 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: think are fair to be discussed. For a league that 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: has had great players white and black before Caitlyn Clark, 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: why haven't they caught on in the same type of way, 76 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: Like I think that there is like fair conversations to 77 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: be had there. But a hard foul by Angel Reese 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: in a basketball game that like didn't even result in 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: a fight, It resulted in she said the F word. Like, 80 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: what the hell is the matter with people? I mean, 81 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: it's it's embarrassing, Like and the we don't need to 82 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: name the names. Everyone knows. The discourse of you know 83 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: who's going like you're talking about people's wives and you're 84 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: making it personal and then you're bringing all these just 85 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: shut up, shut up. It's just so it's so beneath 86 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: the industry to like take the discourse of online. You 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: are amazing at not being too online. I give you 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: a ton of credit for it. Nick Nick right, it's 89 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: amazing how he doesn't read his mentions. I still am 90 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: addicted to my phone. I still read my mentions. I 91 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: have gotten much much, much, much and much better about 92 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: not letting it bother me and not responding. But it 93 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: is so very clear that way too many people in 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 3: our industry formulate their opinions based on the algorithm that 95 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: they see on X and it's just complete horseshit. Like 96 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe that people that go to that bas 97 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: B sketball game left being like, you know what, that 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: was a race war like basketball, Like you. 99 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: Know, I'm not. 100 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: I it's crazy and I'm not the biggest WNBA fan. 101 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: I'm not claiming to have WNBA bona fides or like 102 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: watching for years or like going ten deep on all 103 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: the rosters. So people like Parkins, I don't give a 104 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: shit about your WNBA takes. 105 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: That's fine. I just know sports and narratives that is. 106 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: A good thing for business, and people taking their online 107 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: commentary that is designed to divide us and then making 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: it actually like inform their sports opinions on television when 109 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: they are multi millionaire former professional athletes. They don't even 110 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: realize what they're doing, but it's just very embarrassing if 111 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: I really do find it embarrassing. 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt this great video, but please remember to 113 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: like and subscribe. 114 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. Now back to the video. Yeah, it's my take. 115 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: My take on Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees from the 116 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: beginning is the league was growing, but she's Taylor Swift 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: and tennis shoes. She's not doesn't have to be the 118 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: best player in the league. Taylor Swift doesn't have the 119 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: best voice. Adele does like like she doesn't have the 120 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: best voice. There's something, there's some visceral connection between young women, 121 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: middle aged women and Taylor Swift that I can't explain. 122 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm usually good at listening to music or watching sports 123 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: and going that's a superstar. I didn't see it with 124 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. There's been Lady Gaga I connected. 125 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: There been. 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: There have been a lot of artists Adele I heard. Yeah, 127 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: when I heard Katy Perry, I was but like Adele. 128 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: When I heard Adele, I was like, holy shit, what 129 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: is that? That's crazy? Lady gagat did that to me. 130 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: I remember Garth Brooks years and years ago, hearing him 131 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: and going it was like New Country. It wasn't like 132 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, old madal My Porch. It was like cool country. 133 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like Shanaiah Twain. I'm usually pretty good at 134 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: spotting stuff and going bang the Taylor swift up. I 135 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: can't even explain it. Now, she's got she got a 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: nice voice, she's really smart. But I can't explain it. 137 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's not that hard to explain. Holy shit, she's 138 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: taking shots. Yeah, of course some NBA players wouldn't take. 139 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Of course, I said, she's Steph Curry plus Jason Kidd. 140 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: The sixty foot passes, the thirty foot bombs, You're like 141 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: half the NBA would not make those plays. She's a 142 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: comet because it doesn't look like anything else. 143 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: Right. 144 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: Of course, if a player in five years started dunking 145 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: like Anthony Edwards, like, we'd be like, oh my god, 146 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: some it's believable because we haven't seen it in the 147 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: in the w NBA. Right, So yeah, I think that 148 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: part of it is also very obvious. She's the Steph 149 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: curryization of basketball has hit women's basketball in a way 150 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: and at a moment. And you and I have talked 151 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: about this months ago. Now, Like listen, part of this 152 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: is ESPN, which the world is changing, Cable is changing. Fine, 153 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: it is still the behemoth of sports television. They promote 154 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: the shit out of it. Yeah that helps, Like real 155 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: talented analysts, real talented broadcasters, real they're not on ESPN 156 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 3: News like they're in good time slots on good networks 157 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: on ABC on ESPN in prime time on weeknights with 158 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: a real pregame show and a real postgame show and 159 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: a real play by play guy. 160 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: And they do a good job on college hoops, and 161 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 2: so they think they're invested in it, and it's a 162 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: cyclical thing, and they hit this phenomenon like the fact 163 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: that that game that was a blowout outrated Yankees red Sox. 164 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: That matters, like that that matters. 165 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: And so I just yeah, I mean all the respect 166 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: in the world to her talent, all the respect in 167 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: the world to like people who have been WNBA fans 168 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: for forever and have been like now get to say 169 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 3: I told you so, But I just I wish our 170 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: media colleagues realized a little bit better that they were 171 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: being played by the algorithm. 172 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: Because they're all athletes. They can't possibly be offended by 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: that foul. They can't. 174 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: It's it's impossible that a bunch of football players are 175 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: were so offended by that foul that they had to 176 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: make this big of a deal out of it. So 177 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: I just eventually they'll need to talk about the basketball. 178 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: And I think for some people it's just easier to 179 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: culture war everything, and I think it's unfortunate. 180 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to I want to bring this up. 181 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: We can close on this because I saw this today. 182 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. So a university professor in finance looked up 183 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: the value of Caitlin Clark for the WNBA. This is insane. 184 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: So this year, last season in the WNBA, Caitlin Clark 185 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: was twenty six and a half percent of all economic 186 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: activity as a rookie on the worst team in the 187 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: league when she entered it. So now she has an 188 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: eight year, one hundred and twenty eight million dollar deal 189 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: with Nike, so you know she's she's going to eat 190 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: merchandise in the league. Went up off a rookie from 191 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: a Midwest based school on the worst team in the 192 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: league two hundred and thirty four percent. But here was 193 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: the one that struck me so before she got there, 194 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: the Indiana fever, the valuation of the franchise was ninety million. 195 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Remember they play a short season. It's not like the 196 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: NBA where it lasts like six months after playing what 197 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: forty games. The valuation of that team now is three 198 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: hundred and forty million dollars. 199 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: She is almost. 200 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: That's what NBA teams were selling for ten years ago. 201 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: She has called usual the valuation. And I was talking. 202 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: I was with a group of friends tonight at dinner, 203 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: and people that didn't know the WNBA were like, asking, well, 204 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: why what. 205 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: Does she do? 206 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: And we said, well, she makes passes and take shots 207 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: that nobody else in the sport does, so she's a 208 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: bit of a It's like when Tiger Woods came on 209 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: the tour, Like he drove it further, He's long, putting 210 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: was better. He looked like a football player in the 211 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: red shirts. Like he just was different than every other 212 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: golfer you grew up with, and people like unique and different. Here, 213 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: my question to you is there's still no other Like 214 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: somebody said at the party, well there'd be another Caitlin Clark, 215 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well there's not another Steph Curry. Like 216 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: there's guys that can shoot threes'. I don't think it's 217 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: a game, you duplicate and I listen. Let's just be honest. 218 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: There are more great male athletes in the world than 219 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: female athletes. There is no second Steph Curry. There is 220 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: no other player that plays like that. 221 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: My take is she could be a billion dollar athlete. 222 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: Are you. 223 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Are you surprised by it? Like when I see these numbers, 224 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is Tiger and the Tour. This 225 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: doesn't this isn't even Jordan, this is totally different. 226 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: Well, I think when you look at basketball, there are 227 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: two real kind of like ultimate show type of athletes 228 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 4: that you see, meaning like must see television. And it's 229 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: the supreme vertical athlete, which think like young On or 230 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: kind of like Anthony Edwards now Dominique. Yeah yeah, like 231 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 4: the guy that does stuff in the air that is 232 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: unlike anything you see anywhere else, doctor j And then 233 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: the second piece of it is just unbelievable shot making. 234 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: Those are the two things. Those are the two things 235 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 4: that like really bring eyes to television. To take it 236 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: a step further, there are two types of basketball players 237 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: that I think are far and away the most winning 238 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: impact in the current game of basketball. It's the big, 239 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: strong playmaker. Think Lebron Luka Jokic, and it's the indomitable shooter, 240 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: which there's really only been Steph. I think those two 241 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: types of players are the players that give you the 242 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: best chances to win basketball games in the modern in 243 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: the modern world. Now, what makes it fascinating to me 244 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: because that's what Caitlyn Clark is. She's a different type 245 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: of player, and she can do a lot of different 246 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: types of things, but she's essentially bringing a Steph Curry 247 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: like basketball impact to the WNBA. It's really this simple. 248 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: If you can shoot the way that she shoots, so 249 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: the way step shoots, and you can perpetually be in 250 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: motion running around, inevitably there is an overreaction to your 251 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: shooting ability. And we see this all the time with Kaitlyn, 252 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: just like you're gonna see you're gonna see Aliah Boston 253 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: get NonStop easy buckets in the mid range or rolling 254 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: to the basket, because every time she sets a screen 255 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: for Caitlin, her defender is stepping up to guard Caitlin 256 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: because as she comes off of that screen, if you're 257 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 4: not there, she's gonna shoot it and she's gonna make it. 258 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: And so there's a reaction that invert spacing in brings 259 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: a four on three because you bring multiple defenders away 260 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 4: from the rim, there's a four on three with a 261 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: vacated paint and because of that, there's a lot of 262 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: easy opportunities to score there. Like that's the thing with 263 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: Steph Curry, Like Steph Curry is not the same shot 264 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: maker that he was four years ago in twenty twenty one, 265 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: but just the simple threat of him running around gives 266 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: the Warriors a chance to score. And that's the thing, 267 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: Like Caitlyn hasn't even really started hitting shots yet this 268 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: year the way that she's capable of, but everyone knows 269 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: she can and they guard her in that fashion. And 270 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: so to me, it's kind of like a proof of 271 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 4: concept in that if you can shoot and you can 272 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: run around the way that Steph does, and you can 273 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: strike fear into a defense in that way, the trickle 274 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: down effects with the way that defenses guard you just 275 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 4: make everything so much easier for her. And like you 276 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: could argue she's already the best offensive engine in the 277 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: WNBA and she's literally a second year player and like, 278 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: and she still has so much room to improve, Like 279 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: she still struggles with ball pressure, she still turns them. 280 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: She turned the ball over too much against the Liberty 281 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 4: the other night. She still has a little bit of 282 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 4: an issue where she kind of cross fires across her face, 283 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: which makes it so she can only shoot going left. 284 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: She needs to build it out so that she can 285 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: shoot running to her right as well. But like, judging 286 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: by her psycho competitive attitude, she's probably going to figure 287 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: that stuff out in the next year or two and 288 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: then she'll be the best player in the league. And 289 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 4: so like to me, it's just she fits the mold 290 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 4: of one of the most impactful types of basketball players 291 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: you can be today, which is the deadly movement shooter. 292 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: If you're a deadly movement shooter, it just opens up 293 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 4: so many things for an offense. And honestly, I just 294 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 4: think I think she's must see television Colin. 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I mean, it was insane. 337 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: You just people bounced off Shack Jokics feeling Yokics complains 338 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: constantly like people are bouncing off me. She doesn't quite 339 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: get as favorable a whistle as you think, so I. 340 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 4: I think neither's step two. That's the funny part. 341 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: Well, And I think I will give the w NBA credit. 342 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: They they just didn't understand the tsunami ever popularity, Like 343 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: they didn't get the schedule. Uh, and you don't know 344 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: what you don't know. They've done a much better job 345 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: to I mean, all her games are on television. Every 346 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: time I turn on a WA every time I see 347 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: a promote promotion for the wi NBA, it's Caitlin Clark, 348 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: so they're there. But I do think there's a process on. 349 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're an official. You don't want to give 350 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: her too favorable a whistle because the players in the 351 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: league will resent her to some degree. 352 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: She's getting all this attention and I don't. 353 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: And I will say this, I've defended the w NBA 354 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: with this. Baseball and the WNBA feel ignored. The NFL 355 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: and the NBA in college football, they get a lot 356 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: of press, and baseball always feels like, hey, we're America's pastime, 357 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: so they're very insular, sometimes very provincial. And the WNBA, similarly, 358 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: you don't pay attention to us. So there's part of it, 359 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: like I get like they sort of resent this one player, 360 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: nobody talks WNBA. 361 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: They do, and it's all her. 362 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: You know. I remember when Tiger was eighteen, nineteen, twenty 363 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: years old coming out of the tour, there were a 364 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: lot of people in golf that were like, could you 365 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: guys show, could you talk in your sportscast about anybody 366 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: other than Tiger Woods? 367 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: So she's not. Bryce Harper came into baseball. 368 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: He fought with an own teammate in the dugout because 369 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, everybody wants to talk to so. 370 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: I do defend the WNBA. 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: Is that I get if nobody paid attention to you 372 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: for twenty six years and now they do, and they 373 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: feign interest in the rest of the league. What we 374 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: all care about Caitlin. So the animosity built up by players, 375 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: I give it a little bit of a pass. You know. 376 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: I think people are spending too much time on race. 377 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is. There's a million platforms, 378 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: a million opinions, But I don't know. My take is 379 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: there's still in the adjustment period with Caitlin. How to market, 380 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: how to promote, how to officiate, how to defend, And 381 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: it's just fluid. That's what it feels like to me. 382 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 4: I think that like when I see the complaining, like 383 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 4: I saw some players complain and some members of the 384 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 4: media complain that she was on TV so much, and 385 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: let's just take us out, take fairness and just put 386 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: it to the side for a minute, like even with 387 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 4: Nike and giving Caitlin a shoot like set that aside 388 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: a minute and just focus on her being on television. Okay, 389 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: her being on television brought my eyes to it. I 390 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: didn't watch the WNBA. I have grown to really enjoy 391 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: watching WNBA basketball even when she's not on and they're 392 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 4: like the Nafista Collier became one of my favorite basketball 393 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: players watching her in the finals run last year. And 394 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: what brought me to the television was Caitlin. So like, 395 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: let's say that the league came out there like every 396 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark games on national television, like that's just what 397 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: we're gonna do. Deal with it. That would be genius, 398 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: because the best way you can market the other WNBA 399 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 4: players is to have them play against Kitland Clark because 400 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: we'll all be watching. Okay, well, no one's covering the 401 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: rest of the league, Okay, but if you put Caitlin 402 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: on television and you get more people to watch. It 403 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 4: will create more WNBA fans, And we live in the 404 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: most colin I started making NBA content out of my 405 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 4: guest bedroom. Okay, you create a bunch of WNBA fans, 406 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: passionate members of the media will originate from that map, 407 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 4: and we'll cover the league better, and overall, the league 408 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 4: will gain in popularity and gain an impact, and it 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: will become a momentous thing that carries forward and actually 410 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: does shine a big flashlight on the rest of the WNBA. 411 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark is the vehicle with which to microwave that, 412 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: to accelerate it, and to move it into a fast 413 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: track towards what could be a bright future for the WNBA. 414 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: It's great basketball. It's genuinely great basketball. She's the best 415 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: vehicle with which to elevate the sport. I think anything 416 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 4: they can do to put her on TV and promote 417 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 4: her is the best thing they could do for the sport. 418 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Connor McGregor UFC. You know, you knew it existed. 419 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: You'd seen fights. You started buying pay per view cards 420 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: and sitting through two and a half hours to get 421 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: to his fight, and then all of a sudden you 422 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: found yourself a year later, hooked on two other fighters 423 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: because Dana White would put the second most popular. 424 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: Fighter in the undercard. 425 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: Exactly, it's all of a sudden, it's John Jones into 426 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: Connor McGregor and then they So it's just basic marketing. 427 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: And I've said before, I do think the WNBA women's 428 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: basketball and I'd said this years ago on FS one, 429 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: probably five years ago. The sport was getting better. The 430 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: women were, you know, several generations of women were encouraged 431 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: to play basketball and to be athletes, and nutritionists came 432 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: into the sport and better trainers. There was money in 433 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: the league, so they had better training and the players 434 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: were getting better. But it takes this, Listen, it took 435 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Magic and Bird in the NBA to take a league 436 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: that there were some financial problems. So it's not like 437 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: a gender issue, it's a I mean, I think Connor 438 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: McGregor's erosion as a fighter has hurt UFC. It doesn't 439 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: feel as urgent. And that's and that's already established and 440 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: so and we all know that Michael Jordan left once 441 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: Magic Bird and Michael had driven the league up. Michael left, 442 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: the ratings dropped fifty percent. 443 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: So this stuff. Outside of the NFL. 444 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: It's all cyclical, it's all market based, it's all star based, 445 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: and it's just a WNBA. You know, was waiting for 446 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: its first Tiger, and golf's probably had four in my life, 447 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, Jack Nicholson, Arnold Palmer, Tiger. I think Rory's 448 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: got a little bit of it, Phil Micholson. So the 449 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: history of golf, you know, if you modern history is 450 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: not like five guys that have done it. So there's 451 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: no reason to be defensive about it. It just it's 452 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: all these leagues. They all eventually, I mean, look at boxing. 453 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: Allie took it from whatever it was to the next level. 454 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: Then there were Sugar, Ray Leonard and Hagler. But when 455 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: Larry Holmes arrived, nobody wanted to watch Larry Holmes. It 456 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: took an old George Forman. 457 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: It's selling a. 458 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: Grill that you bake chicken on or cook chick it 459 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: on to I mean literally to get the casual back 460 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: into boxing. Was George Foreman's second tour. So this is 461 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: the way sports works outside of football. 462 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: The cyclical thing is so fat saying, because that's literally 463 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: what the NBA is about to go through. Lebron and 464 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 4: Steph won eight titles in eleven years, and now there's 465 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 4: not really a big name yet. Now you could argue 466 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 4: that the parody might prevent the rise of a star, 467 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: and that's a separate conversation for another day, but it 468 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: is really fascinating. We're in one of those cycles right 469 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: now with the NBA. The old guard's going out, there's 470 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 4: a new card coming up. 471 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: Years and years ago, this may have been fifteen years ago. 472 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: Sports fans, I think, are more savvy today than ever, 473 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: and a lot of it's just because of the explosion 474 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: of social media and they can you can learn things 475 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: just watching TikTok. I mean, I use the TikTok store 476 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: every day. And by the way, it's never let me down. 477 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: I buy power bars, I buy workout gear. It's never 478 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: let me down. The TikTok store is completely undervalued. 479 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: You think that's amazing. 480 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time I use that, I'm like a 481 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: sketchy I'm probably getting robbed. It's twenty four dollars. It's fantastic, 482 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: And everything I buy in that TikTok store is amazing. 483 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: That's not an ad I just I bought power bars today. So, 484 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: but I was thinking years I did a topic where 485 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I said, this is when I would take calls. I 486 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: was only doing a radio show. I said, you guys 487 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: don't understand Madonna was in her prime. I said, it's 488 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: much more well known than Derek Jeter in his prime. 489 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: It's not close. One's a global star. I got thirty 490 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: calls in a row. No way, Derek. 491 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm like Derek. The brand of the Yankees is bigger 492 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: than Derek Jeter. Like Derek Jeter is not the if 493 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: he played in Kansas City, he'd just be an all star. 494 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Sports fans they struggle sometimes with like recognizing that nobody 495 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: knows who Jalen Hurts is out of America unless you're 496 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: a sports fan. Your sister who doesn't love sports doesn't know. 497 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: Who Jalen Hurts is. 498 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Even after the Super Bowl, she's heard of maybe the 499 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: Tush push, but that's about it. And I was thinking 500 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: about this, how many NBA players, and I know Caitlin 501 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: Clark is an athlete, but how she's like beyond that 502 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: now she kind of transcends sports. She's like, it's racial, 503 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: it's political, it's polarizing, it's it's a lot of things. Yes, 504 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: how many NBA players are more famous than Caitlin Clark, 505 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: Lebron's Steph Absolutely, maybe Durant. 506 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: That's what I put. 507 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: I said, I wrote down k D maybe in one 508 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: year out of women's basketball for a horrible team when 509 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: she arrived. Outside of Lebron and Steph, she is the 510 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: most well known basketball player currently playing in the United States. 511 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Oh yes, And I don't think that's close. 512 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: Like I I think I might have said this to 513 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: you last year that I thought the most famous basketball 514 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: player under thirty was Caitlin Clark. And it's like you said, 515 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: I don't think it's particularly close. Like when the she 516 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: is demonstrably and inarguably more famous than all of this 517 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: generation's NBA stars. She just is, like it it really 518 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 2: Lebron is, I don't know, probably one of the twenty 519 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: most famous people in the world. At a secondary level, 520 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 2: there is Steph, And at a far different level, there 521 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: is Durant. And the next basketball person, like active basketball person, 522 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: is Caitlin Clark. 523 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 4: Like the the. 524 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: It's I don't even I don't think that's a hot take. 525 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't think that's controversial. I think that's just obvious. 526 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: And I think that it is awesome for the sport 527 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: and I think that it is awesome for sports fans, 528 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: and it it is what I think some people need 529 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: to be. Okay, like this is this is apples and oranges, 530 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: but not exactly and this is not a fair comparison. 531 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: But just the audience is smart, they'll figure it out. 532 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: I think it's probable that Lonzo I'm sorry that LaMelo 533 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: Ball is more famous than Tyrese Halliburton. No one with 534 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: a brain thinks he's better than Tyrese Halliburton, but he 535 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: is my famous. You agree, So I think sometimes like 536 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: die Hard WNBA or women's basketball fans conflate the discussion 537 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: about fame and popularity with a ranking of players quality. 538 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: Now Kate Clark is to me, I mean, she was 539 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: first team All WNBA last year. She has a legitimate 540 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: argument that she's a top five player in the league, 541 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: and before this injury, probably was going to make a 542 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: real case to win League MVP this year. But if 543 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: someone's like, hey, I watch I have WNBA League pass. 544 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: I watched the whole league, guy have for years. I 545 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: think she is currently the seventh best player in the league, 546 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: I'd listened to him like, okay, maybe, like you know, 547 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: the Brianna Stewart, Asia Wilson, like whomever. But that's not 548 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: the discussion that now. It is also important that your 549 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: fame not lap your ability. Again, not to like I'm 550 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: just thinking because we're talking about women's sports. An example 551 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: of that to me would be like this make me 552 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: feel old. But on a corner, Cova, Remember so she 553 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: was at a time the most famous women's centnis player, 554 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: and I think she was during a lot of that 555 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: time not one of the twenty best. She you know her, 556 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: she was more famous, far more famous than she was successful. 557 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: But it's quite often that your fame lags your ability, 558 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: as I think happens to Nikola Jokic, you know, as 559 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: an example. And it is also often that your fame, 560 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: you know, is a few steps ahead of your ability 561 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: when it is a super nova moment, is when your 562 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: fame when you are the most famous and you're the best, 563 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: like that happ that That was bron with the NBA. 564 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: Obviously Jordan Kobe, you know, at least was close to 565 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 2: the best, if not the best, for a brief period, 566 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: and it's what I is going to happen, I believe 567 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: with Caitlin Clark, because I do think she will have 568 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: a period where she is clearly the best player in 569 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: the league. And again, it could happen sooner than later, 570 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: but it's it is so great for the sport because 571 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: it she is someone that people show up to the 572 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: party because of her. And where I give the evolution 573 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: of the WNBA and women's basketball credit is I think 574 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: people show up to the party, whether it's for the 575 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: women's NCAA tournament or the WNBA, and they're like, Oh, 576 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: this party's pretty good. 577 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 4: I like it. 578 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: There's a level of physicality in this sport that isn't 579 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: necessarily in the NBA anymore. 580 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: Oh it's always been shippier because they're not vertical, so 581 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: they're bringing it into each other and it's a very 582 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: physical league, exactly right. 583 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: And so I think that if you have a good 584 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: product and your biggest hurdle is getting people to sample 585 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: the product, she's a godsend. There's no denying it. And 586 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: again there's obviously there's a lot of complicated components to it. 587 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: But just because something has complicated components doesn't mean every 588 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: discussion about it has to be complicated. And you know, 589 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: you can just be like, she is a super nova 590 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: fame level of fame with one of a kind talent, 591 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: and it is game changing for the entire league that 592 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: she's at. 593 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt this great video, but please remember to 594 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: like and subscribe. 595 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. Now back to the video. 596 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: Well, and also, she had a rivalry with a star 597 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: college player in college, so we have a visceral connection, 598 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: which college basketball no longer gives you. It's what college 599 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: football gives you all the time. Where you know JJ McCarthy, 600 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I mean you see all these Buckeyes 601 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: in Michigan Wolverines. 602 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: What I think, J McCarthy, I think Michigan. Okay. 603 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark obviously a huge story in the controversy around it, 604 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about I was pretty hard on 605 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: than the WNBA when Caitlin Clark came in, and I thought, guys, 606 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: you can't open up with a New York Liberty and 607 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: the Connecticut Sun. You want to groove her into some wins, 608 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: because remember she went from the final four into camp 609 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: into playing and the WNBA they probably knew she would 610 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: be good, they didn't think she'd quite be this good. Sure, 611 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: but it's getting to be a little bit like MJ 612 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: is that And they've done a better job this year. 613 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: They had an easier schedule. They've put the games on television, 614 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: so the WNBA took a lot of heat, a lot 615 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: of heat, and Val Ackerman, the Commissioner's like, Okay, we 616 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: got ourselves a complete Taylor Swift and tennis shoe rock 617 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: star and they've done a much better job this year. 618 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: The officiating is not great, but the league's now just 619 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: starting to make real money now, right, Like, so it's 620 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: the officials maybe the last part, you know, it's well, yeah. 621 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: I wonder with it. And I don't know, I'm not 622 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: educated enough on this about what the hierarchy of officiating is. 623 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: But obviously the best basketball officials in the world, or 624 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: the NBA officiate in the NBA, right that, let's just 625 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,479 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say the world, just let's just do the US. 626 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: I assume the second best, like men's college basketball. Well yeah, 627 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 2: I would imagine the third best might be women's college 628 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: basketball because up until recently that was a far bigger 629 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 2: industry than the WNBA, like so has the And again 630 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: I am just speculating here, but is the WNBA simply 631 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: not picking from the you know, the are the people 632 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: who are the best officials are like, well, it's way 633 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: better jobs in officiating that I can get, so they 634 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: assume that's going to be the case. They flew commercial 635 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: airlines a year ago, and yeah, I think some st 636 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: the NBA moved out of that in like the eighties, 637 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: so it's like it's it's just a different ballgame. But 638 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: but I was thinking about this. 639 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: Most of the time, the media gets it right when 640 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: it predicts an all time star. In fact, I would argue, 641 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: and I think people listening to this would push back 642 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: that we undersold Tiger. Nobody thought Tiger was going to 643 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: have the lowest scoring average ever, was going to have 644 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: the tied for the most career wins ever, has the 645 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: greatest earnings ever. Nobody, not even Nike, would have. 646 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: Guessed that, and within five years have the scoring record 647 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: at all four majors. Dude, the Tiger slam. Yeah, yeah, no, no, okay, 648 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: you're right, Tiger was Tiger Lebron. I would argue. All 649 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: the all time grades that turned into all time grades 650 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: also actually kind of exceeded expectation. 651 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt this great video, but please remember to 652 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: like and subscribe. 653 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. Now back to the video. 654 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: Most of the time I think Bryce Harper at sixteen 655 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: was considered arguably the baseball prospect ever. He's turned out 656 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: eight time All Star, two time National League MVP, three 657 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: hundred and forty home runs plus that is a If 658 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: you would have said that when he was sixteen on 659 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: sports illstrat he's gonna be an eight time All Star, 660 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: two time MVP, you'd be like, yeah, for the best 661 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: prospect ever. That that's that's that's in that elite class work. 662 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: But I think Caitlin, Clark, Lebron and MJ I think 663 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: they're better. And I thought Caitlin was gonna be good. 664 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: But Gino Arima, Yucom's coach came out and said, and 665 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: this guy knows basketball. He's the best recruiter in the 666 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: history of the sport. He's like, this idea is she's 667 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: gonna walk into the WNB. 668 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 2: But it was so here's the thing. All the Yukon 669 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: folks had, like the former the legendary Yukon players who 670 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: were then in media, and then Gino, they all kind of, 671 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 2: in my opinion, had a bias of man. This was 672 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: supposed to be what everyone was saying about Paige Beckers 673 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: a year ago, but Paige had blown out her knee 674 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: and she missed time and that and all of that, 675 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: and so they I think that they and they also 676 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: underestimated what a badass Clark was going to be. And 677 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 2: I think they also looked at it and said, well, 678 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 2: she's great and going to be great, but she's not 679 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: better than Brianna Stewart or Diana Torazzi, and they you know, 680 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: if they had a transition, she will do. And the 681 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 2: answer is she's a She is already one of the 682 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: four best players in the league. She is already uh 683 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: an absolute and I say this in the kindest words, 684 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: an asshole on the court, like the way you kind 685 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 2: of need to don't need to be. But it's something 686 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: people historically like in their athletes, like a trash Larry Bird, 687 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, a trash talker, you know, hard ass. And 688 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: she is already impacting winning. I think she has the 689 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: best per game plus minus in the league of everyone 690 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: that's not on the New York Liberty. 691 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: Think about this people ten years ago. So the quality 692 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: of WNBA play in the last ten years has improved 693 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: more than any league anywhere. The players are the nutrition's better, 694 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: the strength is better. You go YouTube and WNBA game 695 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: ten years ago, they did not pass like this. Kandas 696 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: Parker ten years ago led the league in assists at five. 697 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: And a half a game a game. 698 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: Not only is Caitlin park the best shooter, the best guard, 699 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: the most infl Benchel, she's also dealing nine assists per game. 700 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: So what she's done is she's really changed the tempo. 701 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: She's doubling these all time assist numbers or close to it, 702 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: and giving you threes and shooting nine feet beyond the arc. So, 703 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean, as much as I liked her and I 704 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: thought she would be really good, I remember saying on 705 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: the air, she's gonna be She's gonna be really good, 706 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: top ten player, really fast, I didn't think she'd beat this. 707 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: No, I listen she I agree with you that I 708 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: do think she is and in contributing to winning exceeding expectations, 709 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 2: I also think that and maybe eventually we'll get there. 710 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: But there so much in my I don't know what 711 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: you said on the air about this today because I 712 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 2: missed it, but so much of the social media pearl 713 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 2: clutching of basically we need to like protet Caitlin Clark, I. 714 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 4: Just think it's so. 715 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 2: I think it's patron, and I also think it fails 716 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: to recognize this is, in my opinion, the best case 717 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 2: scenario for the league. The fact that she is has 718 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 2: this swagger that there and Brew made this point, and 719 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really good one. The fact 720 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 2: that yesterday's altercasions primarily happened with Caitlin against other white 721 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 2: players was actually a really nice thing because it removed 722 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 2: any of the bullshit like, oh the are the black 723 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 2: players don't like it? No, you know who doesn't like 724 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark, most of her opponents, you know who historically 725 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 2: is not that popular in sports. The young, awesome, swaggery, 726 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: trash talking player. That player usually has allies on their 727 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 2: team and their fans. 728 00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: Larry Bird got choked by j everybody and so and 729 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: so that's awesome. 730 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: Here's another thing that's awesome. This is only gonna make 731 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 2: Caitlin better and tougher and strong. Guess that's great. The 732 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: fact that it is hard and that like because the idea, 733 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: because some of Caitlyn's like, there's a real lunatic fringe 734 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 2: on the internet about this conversation, and I hate doing 735 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: in life. I don't actually really think both sides are 736 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: a problem. Very often in the Caitlin Clark thing, it 737 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 2: is both sides. It is people on both ends of 738 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 2: the spectrum are out of their minds, and the biggest 739 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: Caitlyn fans are like the league. This is the league's 740 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 2: cash cow. And if they if they're not suspending these 741 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 2: other players, she could get hurt. Like, give me a break. 742 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 2: It was a light shove. She fell down. She's gonna 743 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 2: be fine. The Fever are gonna be in big games 744 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: for a long time. It is she is sustainably drawing eyeballs, 745 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 2: and I do think it is Notewhile people pointed out correctly, 746 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 2: oh man, when she was out the ratings dropped. The 747 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: other piece of this is the ratings dropped, but we're 748 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 2: still higher than pre Caitlin Clark WNBA, which means while yes, 749 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 2: some people are just showing up for her, some people 750 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: showed up for her, and we're like, oh, I like basketball, 751 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 2: and this is a pretty good product all stick around, 752 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: even if she's not there. At least some people did. 753 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 2: It's the best thing imaginable for the league. It's the 754 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 2: best thing imaginable for her, and it is for us, 755 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: you know here in hockey ended last night. Basketball probably 756 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 2: ends tomorrow in the NBA. It'll be nice to have 757 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 2: like a captivating sports story for the summer other than baseball, 758 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 2: so I'm excited about it.