Speaker 1: Um, we are rolling, so whenever you're ready. There is
Speaker 1: an American team on the grid. Technically yes, and it
Speaker 1: is okay, it's not the name I was expecting to hear.
Speaker 1: What I heard America. You're hoping Williams. No, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what I was thinking. I was hoping, go USA,
Speaker 1: like you know, America Team Military, Team Independence, come in
Speaker 1: your way. We have reached the tenth and final team
Speaker 1: of the pinnacle, the pod or like bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1: But I like the spirit because we're going to need
Speaker 1: it with this team anyway. The word I would say
Speaker 1: to best describe HOSS is chaos. They have got chaotic drivers,
Speaker 1: they've got a chaotic team principle, a chaotic owner, and
Speaker 1: then also very very chaotic sponsors. If the office and
Speaker 1: parks and rec need like a third or another version
Speaker 1: of a workplace mockumentary, this is the team to do
Speaker 1: it tough, to consistently win. If the one word associated
Speaker 1: with your team is chaos, yes, it's is to It's
Speaker 1: just you need stability, which which these guys do not have.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, So today, on choosing sides of one,
Speaker 1: we are diving into the history of the only American
Speaker 1: owned team on the grid Hoss very very American and
Speaker 1: yet also very not from I Heart Radio and Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrated Studios, This is choosing sides one Wow, So let's
Speaker 1: dive into Our story begins with a man named Gene Hoss.
Speaker 1: By normal people standards, he is a very wealthy man
Speaker 1: by Formula one standards. Lauren Stroll a k Daddy Stroll,
Speaker 1: his net worth is around three billion. According to Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: Gene Hasses is only around two fifty to three hundred million.
Speaker 1: Only a millionaire. He was he should quit, Well he's
Speaker 1: he's you know, it's just not going to work out
Speaker 1: for him with his only three hundred million dollars. He
Speaker 1: is not involved with the you know, well known avocado
Speaker 1: outfit Hoss. He is known for basically making machines that
Speaker 1: make machines is how I just put it. Yes, so
Speaker 1: into machinery. He is also a massive car guy just
Speaker 1: in general and into motorsports, so he has sponsored other
Speaker 1: teams over the years, most notably NASCAR. Gina Hasses Vibe
Speaker 1: is the guy who is kind of in the background,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't make a lot of noise, but he's
Speaker 1: always there. He's like the mastermind he plants a seed
Speaker 1: and then lets it grow. The people you're hearing from
Speaker 1: our Atlantis King and Elizabeth Blackstock. They're both motorsports journalists
Speaker 1: and co authors of the book Racing with Rich Energy
Speaker 1: colon how a rogue sponsor took Formula One for a ride.
Speaker 1: Gene Hass is just watching from afar, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to make him upset? Is he an American? Gene
Speaker 1: has hast American. They have a NASCAR team UM and
Speaker 1: a long legacy of actually like taking part in sports,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that Hoss would kind of take
Speaker 1: it to a much larger stage. So basically back, Gene
Speaker 1: Hass and some partners announced that they're going to create
Speaker 1: a Formula one team starting with the Chaos It was
Speaker 1: supposed to launch in but gets delayed to Which does
Speaker 1: happen with new teams and funding and logistics resources, etcetera
Speaker 1: before all of that even happens though. A very fun
Speaker 1: fact about Gene In two thousand six, he was arrested
Speaker 1: for filing false tax returns, witness intimidation and conspiracy. We
Speaker 1: are off to a great start. He later pleaded guilty
Speaker 1: for felony conspiracy to commit tax evasion he was sentenced
Speaker 1: to two years in prison. He served sixteen months in
Speaker 1: prison and then had to pay seventy five million dollars
Speaker 1: in restitution. WHOA, that's our guy, Jeane. WHOA chaos to begin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a rough start. But you know, some of some
Speaker 1: of what I'm liking about all of this is if
Speaker 1: this podcast can shed some light that rich people do
Speaker 1: some shady ship. I think sometimes in America we think
Speaker 1: he's got money, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: sometimes and sometimes they do illegal ship to get money
Speaker 1: and to get even more money, get even more money,
Speaker 1: and they all work together in cahoots. You don't want
Speaker 1: witness intimidation on your resume. Also, I just want it's
Speaker 1: like conspiracy and that's the charge, like what what did?
Speaker 1: What did you conspire? It's just it's almost more ominous
Speaker 1: when there's nothing attached to it, conspiracy. So so a
Speaker 1: guy who's got that much money and that many lawyers
Speaker 1: like that, he probably did a good job fighting the
Speaker 1: case and he's still served fifteen months into pay seventy
Speaker 1: million dollars, Like, you have to be pretty fucked if
Speaker 1: if that was the negotiation you got. So yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: that never gets mentioned in Formula One. But it's like
Speaker 1: very funny that everyone breezes over. I mean we we
Speaker 1: talked about Force India with Aston Martin and that guy
Speaker 1: being wanted in like multiple countries, and like, by comparison,
Speaker 1: this is very quaint. It's cute. Yeah, but Formula one
Speaker 1: does have this problem and needs so much money that
Speaker 1: it's going to get some shady characters. Well that's actually
Speaker 1: a perfect segue into literally the rest of this episode.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing here. Uh so so has from
Speaker 1: the very beginning has always struggled financially, and the team
Speaker 1: almost I wouldn't say identically to Williams, but similarly to Williams,
Speaker 1: has gained this reputation of being scrappy and tiny. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, at one point, just to give an example,
Speaker 1: how smaller they are than some of the other teams,
Speaker 1: hoss back ineen Ish gun Thor mentioned they had about
Speaker 1: two employees for for Hosses F one team. By comparison,
Speaker 1: Mercedes F one team around the same time had a
Speaker 1: thousand more people than hass Yeah, just for F one.
Speaker 1: If you say the two magic words Lewis Hamilton's and Mercedes,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a successful combination, so you will be
Speaker 1: more likely to throw money at that pairing something like
Speaker 1: HOSS doesn't have that. They tried to do things on
Speaker 1: as much of a budget as they possibly could. A
Speaker 1: big part of when their team launched is they sort
Speaker 1: of marketed the scrappiness as hey, we're going to buy
Speaker 1: a hodge podge of parts and in power units and
Speaker 1: all this stuff from different teams. But in doing so,
Speaker 1: we're showing how Formula One teams can be started for
Speaker 1: less money and hopefully diversified the grid from that perspective.
Speaker 1: And so you know, you no longer need to be
Speaker 1: a Mercedes or you know, a Ferrari to get on
Speaker 1: the grid. You can be like us. So next, we
Speaker 1: can't really talk about HOSS without talking about all of
Speaker 1: the issues they've had with sponsors over a very extended
Speaker 1: period of time. Obviously, a lot of you know, teams
Speaker 1: need sponsors a lot of times. The wars off teams
Speaker 1: are doing, the more desperate they get with who they
Speaker 1: ask for sponsorship. We do know, obviously talking about Williams,
Speaker 1: that everything's getting eaten up by larger and larger private
Speaker 1: equity firms and corporations and whatnot, especially as the sport
Speaker 1: gets more expensive every year. The first sponsor we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about is a sketchy energy drink company called
Speaker 1: Rich Energy. My gosh, I'm going to assume you have
Speaker 1: never seen, had or heard of Rich Energy. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like rich money infused energy, like a power
Speaker 1: unit energy. I was wrong, you were you were wrong,
Speaker 1: But it was bound to happen at some in this podcast,
Speaker 1: the last episode. I'm wrong. So Rich Energy is a
Speaker 1: is a energy drink hypothetically. Okay, okay. So it's the
Speaker 1: end of ten. We're heading into the nineteen season. Hass
Speaker 1: has had a couple of years on the grid. Was
Speaker 1: the hass F one team's most successful year by far.
Speaker 1: They finished fifth in the team standings, five of ten.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal for a team that's only been
Speaker 1: around for a couple of years. Is very impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they have less money than everyone else. They got
Speaker 1: your pure personnel, so it's looking great and then everything
Speaker 1: kind of uh went downhill from there. So as always,
Speaker 1: like I said, HOSSA is always needing more money always,
Speaker 1: that's always the case for them. They start obviously looking
Speaker 1: for sponsors and other people who can who can give
Speaker 1: them a little bit of a leg up financially. And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a man named William's Story comes
Speaker 1: in and he says, I am the founder and businessman
Speaker 1: behind this successful energy drink company called Rich Energy, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like that is great, okay, you know Rich Energy.
Speaker 1: Williams story excellent. Rich Energy was a sponsor for boxers,
Speaker 1: UM for some smaller lower tier racing athletes, especially in
Speaker 1: motorcycle racing. UM. So it looked on its face to
Speaker 1: be a legitimate company and especially one that was promoting
Speaker 1: itself as a luxury energy drink, something that you you
Speaker 1: wouldn't find in a gas station, something that you would
Speaker 1: find in a nightclub, which I think is a very
Speaker 1: appealing look and a very appealing draw for the very
Speaker 1: elite levels of Formula one. And of course William's Story
Speaker 1: has like some long, scraggly beard and just looks like
Speaker 1: a weird dude, Like already getting weird dude vibes off
Speaker 1: the bat. So we are here for the unveiling of
Speaker 1: the Rich Energy has f one Formula one team Livery
Speaker 1: Us does their big abut of the car, brand new
Speaker 1: black and gold delivery. Wow, that looks pretty tasty. They
Speaker 1: unveiled this car that was a really beautiful car. It
Speaker 1: looked great. This gold antler logo, it's it's the Rich
Speaker 1: Energy logo. William's story has pledged millions of pounds slash
Speaker 1: dollars to the team. What does it mean? It's now
Speaker 1: the title sponsor of the House of One team. We're
Speaker 1: absolutely delighted and we think that has are you know,
Speaker 1: absolutely our favorite team on the grid, the brilliant people
Speaker 1: and they're the perfect partner for Rich Energy as we
Speaker 1: move forward to take Red Bull challenge RedBull on and
Speaker 1: off the track. It made a big, big statement, so
Speaker 1: everybody starts googling. Fans very quickly are like, who the
Speaker 1: fuck is Rich Energy and William's story? Is this some
Speaker 1: weird niche? Like it's only a baila about a couple
Speaker 1: of countries, Like what's the deal with this? One New
Speaker 1: Year they posted a photo of a pool and they
Speaker 1: said a New Year's swim with Rich Energy, and the
Speaker 1: pool had a rich Energy logo on the bottom up
Speaker 1: it um the image of the pool was actually taken
Speaker 1: from the Internet and the logo was photoshopped in. Fans
Speaker 1: also start saying like, well, where can we buy it
Speaker 1: and the very things we find it's almost impossible to buy.
Speaker 1: Pretty simple question, Yeah, where can I buy this product?
Speaker 1: I mean even in my newsletter. If if if this has
Speaker 1: been announced with my my newsletter was around, I would
Speaker 1: have tried to go out and buy Rich Energy to
Speaker 1: like rank the different energy drinks that sponsor F one
Speaker 1: teams like. It's a very Energy is great. It's like
Speaker 1: almost like some guy was like, Okay, I am poor
Speaker 1: and need to make this sound richer. I've got an
Speaker 1: idea Rich Energy I already love has. I think they're
Speaker 1: in my top three. This is awesome. This is great
Speaker 1: comedy slash entertainment. I told you this is an episode
Speaker 1: of Parks and Wreck like waiting to Happen or the Office. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you could see Michael Scott being like, I've got
Speaker 1: a new sponsor for the Office. It's gonna be yeah.
Speaker 1: So so we have each Energy and fans. So these
Speaker 1: aren't even people within motorsports only who are doing this.
Speaker 1: Journalists are obviously looking into it, but fans are looking
Speaker 1: this up. And it's Oliver Twitter. Obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: company records are just publicly available. Normally, you would expect
Speaker 1: a team to be looking at the financial records of
Speaker 1: these companies to establish it. There's legitimate products. You know,
Speaker 1: you can sell this somewhere. You can find this product somewhere. Um.
Speaker 1: And that was part of what made Rich Energy so perplexing,
Speaker 1: was that the financials that were available, We're not great.
Speaker 1: They had under a thousand dollars in the bank at
Speaker 1: the time that the deal was signed. Those were the
Speaker 1: most recent financial records. UM. No one really had any
Speaker 1: idea where to buy it unless you bought it online.
Speaker 1: It was It was a mystery, and I think it
Speaker 1: will probably remain a mystery. Smokes. This is just shady
Speaker 1: or money laundering or something. Yeah. More and more evidence
Speaker 1: piles up as the season begins that William's story is
Speaker 1: not who he claims to be, and that his company
Speaker 1: is not what he says it is. So and on
Speaker 1: top of that, the host team is not doing well
Speaker 1: on the racetrack. They don't have a great car, so
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just a magnificent implosion William's story
Speaker 1: that announces on Twitter without telling anyone's terminating the deal
Speaker 1: with the Hoss team due to poor performance and the
Speaker 1: PC attitude of F one because F one is the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of political correctness. When I think, you know woke people,
Speaker 1: I think Formula one race car driving. Then the host
Speaker 1: team responds and says, no, we did not have a
Speaker 1: performance clause in the contract. The contract is still together.
Speaker 1: We are still the Rich Energy Hass F one team.
Speaker 1: And then a few weeks later, Hass terminates the partnership.
Speaker 1: On its end, it just makes a mockery of the team.
Speaker 1: It also just ties up all their resources into something
Speaker 1: totally dumb. And also all of the press, right, no
Speaker 1: one cares about how they're racing. They care about this
Speaker 1: absurd scandal. Then Hass ran just black and gold blank
Speaker 1: cars for the rest of the season before going into
Speaker 1: and changing the livery. It really becomes the scandal that
Speaker 1: launches a thousand memes. Right there's there's still to this day,
Speaker 1: years later, endless mockery of this whole situation. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: Gene has should do a little googling before he accept
Speaker 1: some sponsorship money. This was like the single question we
Speaker 1: struggled to find an answer too, because no one was
Speaker 1: willing to speak about why Hass took on Rich Energy. Um,
Speaker 1: no one was willing to tell us what that vetting
Speaker 1: process look like. UM has repeatedly said that they did
Speaker 1: their due diligence UM in vetting rich Energy as a
Speaker 1: sponsor UM, but wouldn't describe exactly what that meant. HASS
Speaker 1: is an interesting organization and that it's very small and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of loyalty both to Hoss Automotive and
Speaker 1: to the team principle talk about Gunther Steiner. So it's
Speaker 1: to this day not clear who was in charge of
Speaker 1: finding and vetting rich energy. We still don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we still don't know who was in charge of, you know,
Speaker 1: signing on the dotted line. We don't know how much
Speaker 1: Gunther or Gene Hass really knew. And then we yeah,
Speaker 1: we never really know. William's story has also sent then
Speaker 1: try to tease quote unquote coming back to formula one.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a it's a bunch of bullshit, but I
Speaker 1: want to see what he looks like. I'm gonna google
Speaker 1: him real quick. S D O R E. I are
Speaker 1: you kidding me with this guy? I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a straight out of Lord of the Rings, put on
Speaker 1: a camo hat and he's ready to go hunting absolutely
Speaker 1: rich energy. That should be like my rap name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you if you ever want
Speaker 1: a real deep cut, yeah, Formula one world, I say,
Speaker 1: go for it. You would think that after this whole
Speaker 1: very public, humiliating debackle, that HOSS would learn its lesson
Speaker 1: and find better sponsors that were less controversial and weird
Speaker 1: and just less ill received. You would be wrong. I
Speaker 1: would be wrong. Yes. So, so this's, like we said,
Speaker 1: it's early beginning of the season. We skip ahead to
Speaker 1: the end of so we are in the pandemic at
Speaker 1: this point. This is, I guess it relatively recent. So
Speaker 1: Hass again started for cash because nothing what else is new?
Speaker 1: And so Hass announces that they're going to be working
Speaker 1: with a Russian chemical fertilizer company called Ural Collige. I mean,
Speaker 1: the first two words of that Russian fertilizer would tell
Speaker 1: me to back off. Yeah, you can see where this
Speaker 1: is going. So this, this company is headed up by
Speaker 1: a Russian oligarch who is besties with Vladimir Putin named
Speaker 1: Dmitri Mazepin. And so why does Dmitri Mazopin want a
Speaker 1: sudden sponsorship on the F one grid Because he wants
Speaker 1: his son to race there you go. So, Dmitri has
Speaker 1: a son named Nikita. Nikita had actually previously a couple
Speaker 1: years prior then banned for a bit from racing in
Speaker 1: the junior formulas because he punched a competitor after a race.
Speaker 1: To give you just an idea of his vibe, So
Speaker 1: Nikita really wants to get enough one. He's not really
Speaker 1: good enough to do it on his own marriage or
Speaker 1: through other means, so good old dad helps him do that.
Speaker 1: And on top of Nikita already being known as yeah,
Speaker 1: a not good driver who's then very angry and takes
Speaker 1: out in not great ways, he also, right before the
Speaker 1: season starts as a December he posts a video of
Speaker 1: him essentially groping a woman's chest like a friend, and that,
Speaker 1: for understandable reasons, does not go over well with the
Speaker 1: fan base. People are really angry at Hoss gunther Steiner.
Speaker 1: The team principle has to issue this weird, vague statement
Speaker 1: because they don't really know what to do and they
Speaker 1: need his dad's money. That's no news, and we don't
Speaker 1: want the news out of it. We we've been internally
Speaker 1: have a dealing internal not we with and that's the
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I want to say, Maybe take
Speaker 1: this serious. What happened, and David, we've bell deal with it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't want to go into any
Speaker 1: comments about the domage and expected this. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, prost us wed with it. What about managing
Speaker 1: him going forward? Are you concerned about that? No, that's
Speaker 1: refit dating with it. This makes me think that has
Speaker 1: is so tight lipped and loyal, not because there's some scrappy,
Speaker 1: intelligent competitive team, but because they are shady. Mother. These
Speaker 1: are just the things we know. It is already bad.
Speaker 1: Don't even know how deep this goes, but what what
Speaker 1: exactly transpired internally? But so so, like any good billionaire father, yeah, daddy,
Speaker 1: mas a Pin says, yeah, I'll give you all this money,
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars if my son gets one
Speaker 1: of these seats going into does get a seat. Not
Speaker 1: only does he get a seat, but you were that
Speaker 1: kid I said he punched after a race. This guy
Speaker 1: callum I Loot is sort of for his class, considered
Speaker 1: the guy who was meant to drive an F one
Speaker 1: and didn't get a seat. Nikita mas Pin gets a seat.
Speaker 1: That would just drive me insane. How is hass As
Speaker 1: a racing team? Besides all this sponsorship, nefarious activity, can
Speaker 1: they race? Oh yes, we haven't even gotten to the
Speaker 1: racing stuff. Everything else. We'll get right back into the
Speaker 1: chaos after the break. So has long story shirt. Not really,
Speaker 1: They're not really good. Um has starts off in their
Speaker 1: first two seasons are understandably rocky. Maybe we've seen this
Speaker 1: a million times with almost every other new, brand new
Speaker 1: team to the grid. However, they have this big breakout year.
Speaker 1: They finished P five, so they're excited because they think, oh,
Speaker 1: we're comfortably in the midfield. Right for a third year team.
Speaker 1: That's great. A lot of teams would be super stoked
Speaker 1: if on their third year they were just sitting there.
Speaker 1: At some point, we're also competing for p the P.
Speaker 1: Four spot on the standing, so things are looking great.
Speaker 1: Since then, though, it has been an endless struggle bus
Speaker 1: for has So. Like I said, in addition to the
Speaker 1: sponsorship issues, their car is not great. The car isn't good.
Speaker 1: And then to make matters even worse. Fuck, this was
Speaker 1: a big At the end of one of the last
Speaker 1: races of the season, one of their drivers, Roman Grosjean,
Speaker 1: who now is an IndyCar. Roman has a massive crash
Speaker 1: at the start of the race where his car literally
Speaker 1: splits in two in a giant fireball. All my muscle relaxes,
Speaker 1: almost not have a smile, but in peace with myself,
Speaker 1: thinking I would die in enough foot which part is
Speaker 1: gonna burn? First said the food the hands is going
Speaker 1: to be painful, and then thought about my kids. And
Speaker 1: now they think for several minutes he's dead, and then
Speaker 1: he comes like jumping out of this like a literal fight.
Speaker 1: It is completely on fire. People are trying to put
Speaker 1: it out. I can feel the pain and the burn,
Speaker 1: but I'm going up somehow miraculously only ends up with
Speaker 1: some scarring and issues on his hands. Yeah, so shouldn't
Speaker 1: put that Russian fertilizer in the trunk? It wasn't there yet.
Speaker 1: But this is at this point Roman and the other driver,
Speaker 1: Kevin Magnusson, who we know, comes back. They knew they
Speaker 1: were kind of on their way out already, so but yeah,
Speaker 1: so Roman Grosjean, who had a very long and interesting,
Speaker 1: if one career, ends it with this, this gigantic fiery explosion,
Speaker 1: scary and just again caps off another not great thing
Speaker 1: to happen to this team, and it brings you back
Speaker 1: to hey, it's funny William's story, rich energy, Russian, futile.
Speaker 1: It's all funny. But it's like when things go awry,
Speaker 1: people can die and that's the tagline. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: stakes are high. Roman now calls himself the Phoenix and
Speaker 1: like rising from the ashes. And let me guess this
Speaker 1: experience only made him love racing more. Oh it did?
Speaker 1: He went over and they're all insane. You keep mentioning Gunther?
Speaker 1: Who is this Gunther? Yeah, so Steiner from a name
Speaker 1: like that. What country do you think? He's from Germany
Speaker 1: or Austria. He is from Italy, but he is used
Speaker 1: to everyone thinking he's German. He talks about this constantly.
Speaker 1: Is part of his personality to mention everyone that he
Speaker 1: is Italian. Everyone I know who's Italian. Every sentence begins
Speaker 1: with I'm Italian. Yes, even my friends who live in
Speaker 1: Michigan that are like seven generations removed from Italy. They
Speaker 1: want you to know they know how to make possible
Speaker 1: and they don't. Actually. That's so. Gunther gets a start
Speaker 1: way back when as a mechanic working in the Rally
Speaker 1: Motorsports series, kind of works his way through a bunch
Speaker 1: of different motorsports series and whatnot. But he eventually ends
Speaker 1: up in the early two thousand's at an F one
Speaker 1: team called Jaguar. Jaguar eventually gets sold to Red Bull
Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands. That's the team the Red
Speaker 1: Bull Team takes over and rebrands. So gunther Steiner is
Speaker 1: with Red Bull for a little bit, but it becomes
Speaker 1: very clear he's not vibing with them, he's not mentioning
Speaker 1: with them, He's not doing well. So he takes a
Speaker 1: couple of years off after serving as their technical director,
Speaker 1: and eventually he founds his own manufacturing company over in
Speaker 1: the US, trying to figure out, I think what he
Speaker 1: wants to do next, and eventually gunther Steiner meets with
Speaker 1: Gene Hass and one of his associates at like a steakhouse.
Speaker 1: They're kind of saying, well, entering off one is expensive,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to do it. He says, Hey,
Speaker 1: you kind of just buy parts from other teams or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's how we we kind of scraped this,
Speaker 1: you know, scrape this whole thing together, and eventually that's
Speaker 1: how the whole thing starts. As gun Through and Jane
Speaker 1: start working together, they build this thing from the ground up.
Speaker 1: They have this sort of interesting relationship where Jean as
Speaker 1: a millionaire but not billionaire, but as a very rich person.
Speaker 1: Whenever he's dissatisfied, he calls, you know, Gun through very upset,
Speaker 1: and then Gun has to sort of smooth things over
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I know people fuck things up,
Speaker 1: like it's fine, Like we'll figure it out. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of their dynamic. So when you're working with someone
Speaker 1: like Steiner, he might be a little bit harsh, but
Speaker 1: he's going to tell you exactly what he thinks and
Speaker 1: what's on his mind. A lot of the people I
Speaker 1: talked to they did say we like Guther Steiner's leadership style.
Speaker 1: Atlantis King and Elizabeth Blackstock. Again, if you look at
Speaker 1: Formula one, Formula one is about politics. If you look
Speaker 1: at Christian Horner, Christian Horner is very sly. He kind
Speaker 1: of he does what he can to benefit himself and
Speaker 1: his team, but he's not straightforward about it. He's very
Speaker 1: politic e gunther Stein will come up to you and
Speaker 1: he'll just say, what's going on? Fix it? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Well we haven't discussed who's driving. Yes, that's pretty important.
Speaker 1: Who is driving these hoss cars? Okay, Well, remember when
Speaker 1: I said we'd come back around to this whole girl
Speaker 1: colleague Nikita Man's a pine story. Alright, alright, So first driver,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about old hass veteran Kevin Magnusson, Right,
Speaker 1: So okay, So I'm gonna start with Kevin's background and career,
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of emerge will happen where we'll
Speaker 1: get to present day of how, how, what we're why
Speaker 1: we're kind of I'm chuckling as I talk about Kevin
Speaker 1: Magnusson's time at Hass so k Mag He's called k
Speaker 1: Mag often. He's a Danish racing driver. He very much
Speaker 1: gets a reputation which we'll talk about, as you know,
Speaker 1: the bad boy or a bad boy of the F
Speaker 1: one grid around the outside again, trying to hang on
Speaker 1: in there and asked we said, Kevin Magnuson did not
Speaker 1: leave him any room whatsoever. His father, Yon Magnusson, also
Speaker 1: a racing driver. He competed in a little bit of
Speaker 1: F one in the nineties, but was not very good.
Speaker 1: Kevin quickly distinguishes himself when he starts his carding career
Speaker 1: when he's young, eventually makes his way through the lower
Speaker 1: formulas and he's a member of McLaren's Young Driver's program
Speaker 1: during that time. So in he gets his start at
Speaker 1: McLaren and his season goes it's okay. Unfortunately, though, the
Speaker 1: next year he's demoted by the team because the team
Speaker 1: signs Fernando Alonso, So Kevin is out, Fernando is in.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's upset about this, and after again a little
Speaker 1: more bouncing around, he does a one season stint at
Speaker 1: our good friends Reno now Karl Peene and then eventually
Speaker 1: at the start of he comes to HOSS. I will
Speaker 1: say now in present day he's twenty nine, almost thirty
Speaker 1: years old, so he's pretty young. So k Bag is
Speaker 1: that Hoss for four years. Basically, it's just as we've
Speaker 1: established kind of a weird team and a weird time.
Speaker 1: He has some real triumphs, he has some real issues.
Speaker 1: Ken to come and see he's made please. It is
Speaker 1: also during this time that we get the iconic k
Speaker 1: mag saying Kevin is like kind of bitter for a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I'm picking up that vibe a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's kind of an asshole, but I dig it.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Blackstock again, Kevin magnus Him is kind of a
Speaker 1: fan favorite driver, but like not not in the Daniel
Speaker 1: Ricardo since of like, this is a person with a
Speaker 1: lot of personality who's really friendly and nice. Do you
Speaker 1: want to hang out with him? It's more like Kevin
Speaker 1: magnus Him is like the sassy version, very very like
Speaker 1: Viking esque. Um, he's got like that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: almost a masculinity about him. That's very funny. Um, But
Speaker 1: he's he's a good driver. He's a how a aggressive driver.
Speaker 1: I think news has broken and it's broken down at
Speaker 1: hass Heaven. Mansen will not be saying next season when
Speaker 1: he ends his time there. Yeah, he's pretty quick to
Speaker 1: be kind of rude about hass He comes up with
Speaker 1: a memoir during the off season were basically says everyone sucks.
Speaker 1: I remember reading it and just like my jaw was dropped,
Speaker 1: Like I cannot believe this man just said all of
Speaker 1: this during the off season between two Hassa debuts the
Speaker 1: car and he actually posted me on his Instagram making
Speaker 1: fun of it. So by and large everyone kind of
Speaker 1: had had shuffled him out the f one door. It
Speaker 1: was just assumed he's had another guy trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what he's gonna do post f one, and then
Speaker 1: in February, what seemed unthinkable in the entry is now underway.
Speaker 1: Russia invades Ukraine, and every single sports organization in the world,
Speaker 1: as we know, is freaking out over what to do
Speaker 1: about Russian athletes, Russian coaches, in Russian sponsorship. Politically, this
Speaker 1: is a it's a geopolitical disasters, and so f One,
Speaker 1: of course, very quickly is getting questions about this left
Speaker 1: and right. As his Hoss, the geopolitical issues that go
Speaker 1: on in the world kind of get ignored by Formula one,
Speaker 1: especially when you've got so many Saudi Arabian oil companies
Speaker 1: that it was like I could see them, you know,
Speaker 1: sticking with Earl Collige. Well they did not. It also
Speaker 1: doesn't help that no one likes your oal colleague. No
Speaker 1: one likes them as a pin father son duo. Everyone
Speaker 1: hates Nikita and he finished last in the championship. Pretty
Speaker 1: simple decision, exactly. So it's already I think HOSS almost
Speaker 1: given the speed at which they made this all happen,
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that they too, We're kind of ready
Speaker 1: for it. Like right in the middle of preseason testing,
Speaker 1: they got rid of him literally overnight. You know, news
Speaker 1: comes out the next day, you know, houses like okay, um,
Speaker 1: we're going to take the girl colleague branding off. Like immediately,
Speaker 1: he formed his own little coalition of canceled athletes because
Speaker 1: apparently it was a personal slight, not a geopolitical issue
Speaker 1: that got him cut. I have decided to make a
Speaker 1: foundation that will be supporting athletes that have lost that
Speaker 1: chance to compete in the support at the highest level
Speaker 1: because all the non sporting decision. We will be providing jobs,
Speaker 1: financial support, psychological and legal aid. In case the athletes
Speaker 1: wish to debate the position, the foundation will be called
Speaker 1: We Compete as One. Meanwhile, then Kevin Magnusson is hanging
Speaker 1: out having a good time during motorsports general offseason when
Speaker 1: he gets a phone call from his old boss Guler Steiner, saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want to come back and race in four Hold on,
Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine. Yeah, and our shitty driver that everyone
Speaker 1: hates and his terrible father had to leave. And so
Speaker 1: Kevin Magnuson, being the very smart guy he is, says
Speaker 1: sure I would do that. Um, I would like a
Speaker 1: multi year contract. So he goes from being ousted from
Speaker 1: F one, now being guaranteed on the grid barring a
Speaker 1: performance issue for at least at least a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I love it. This is awesome for him and his family.
Speaker 1: I hope his feet were up on a chaise lounge
Speaker 1: and they called and he's looked at his wife and
Speaker 1: smiled and says, we're back in the money. It had
Speaker 1: only seven days today, next days to the second day
Speaker 1: of the season. Kevin knows the team, the deem knows Kevin.
Speaker 1: Kevin was the team, so it's it's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't, you know, put two middle fingers
Speaker 1: up on his way out of there and you know,
Speaker 1: break his desk and say I hate all you guys.
Speaker 1: It's probably smart enough to burn the bridge. The funny
Speaker 1: thing is he kind of did, but they still love him,
Speaker 1: like they still were like back and get back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it's just like I said, it
Speaker 1: works for Hassa, probably wouldn't work for any other team,
Speaker 1: but for HAS, They're like, okay, they don't they don't
Speaker 1: want to test another new person. They already had a
Speaker 1: terrible season with two rookies. Yeah, everybody knows hiring and
Speaker 1: training somebody new is more of a headache than taking
Speaker 1: someone that was doing a decent job before. And also
Speaker 1: to this point, Kevin, Kevin knows that he's really lucked
Speaker 1: out here, so he starts towing the party line a little.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I'm really excited to be back at HASS,
Speaker 1: but like, you did not feel that way literally two months,
Speaker 1: like a month ago. But okay, this is an endearing story.
Speaker 1: It's endearing, and he's such a character that it's sort
Speaker 1: of like this is the most bizarre things. So so
Speaker 1: I won't go into fully Kevin's two season, but Hass
Speaker 1: already people are excited. They have this awful car. In
Speaker 1: one they basically didn't develop their car. They said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put all of our money and efforts into our
Speaker 1: new regulation car. So everyone's waiting with bated breath to
Speaker 1: see how the new Hoss car is. They've they've built
Speaker 1: this up for over a year now, and they basically
Speaker 1: took all of the eural Collie Russian money and then
Speaker 1: got to spend it on developing a car and then
Speaker 1: dropped both the sponsor and the driver. This is such
Speaker 1: a great story because there's not a lot of positive
Speaker 1: that comes out of Russia invading Ukraine, and this is
Speaker 1: one of those little field good sports stories that's like,
Speaker 1: oh good, someone got a second chance exactly. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that, we get to the first race
Speaker 1: in ball Rain, Kevin Magnuson and a hoss who again
Speaker 1: they score a single point. He ends up in P five.
Speaker 1: Can come back today. I cannot believe it. Thanks, thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you, fuck guys company. This you see Kevin's wife
Speaker 1: and he has an infant daughter. Came and his wife
Speaker 1: obviously has seen him through everything. It's just also losing
Speaker 1: her mind. His daughter is just like smiling because she
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do when she's a baby, but
Speaker 1: she's just like everyone is so excited. He scored points
Speaker 1: and three of the first four races, which was something
Speaker 1: that House has not done in two years, so it
Speaker 1: was it was very much he Oh my gosh, is
Speaker 1: this a comeback? Is the team doing better? Is this like,
Speaker 1: you know, are we going to have them back? Competing
Speaker 1: for fifth place? Is very solid midfield team, especially now
Speaker 1: that we've had these massive regulations changes that have shaken
Speaker 1: everything up. Well, not really. As the season has gone on,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot more unreliability. We've had a lot
Speaker 1: more more drama going on. Uh and it's yeah, it
Speaker 1: hasn't exactly gone as as nicely as I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people predicted with that fifth place finish mechanical
Speaker 1: problems affecting the hass I don't even miss it. Sorry bad,
Speaker 1: you're on it. It's been kind of downhill since then.
Speaker 1: It's okay, mag is back and we got this other driver.
Speaker 1: You might recall that all the way back in episode one,
Speaker 1: we're discussing the sport of Formula one. I asked you
Speaker 1: when you knew about Formula one, Michael, what do you
Speaker 1: know about Formula one racing? And the only thing you
Speaker 1: could tell me was there's this Michael Schumacher guy who
Speaker 1: was a big fucking deal and he's super rich. And
Speaker 1: that was about it. That was that was I think
Speaker 1: that was. That was only it. That was the only
Speaker 1: name I knew. And we come full circle things, We're
Speaker 1: back full circle. Yeah, to the other Schumacher. We have
Speaker 1: to talk about his son, Mick. Oh my gosh, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right
Speaker 1: back almost as quick as Nikita Masipan's Formula one career,
Speaker 1: so so Mick Schumacher. It's interesting because Michael Schumacher came
Speaker 1: from humble beginnings. That's a huge part of his story.
Speaker 1: He used to work on his own carding cars and
Speaker 1: kind of worked his way up. Mick obviously is in
Speaker 1: a very different boat, having one of the most famous
Speaker 1: fathers in the world. From an athletic perspective, I would
Speaker 1: advise him to not get into racing, but I think
Speaker 1: we're too late on that. So Nick is He's only
Speaker 1: in his early twenties, and I think the only real
Speaker 1: big thing to know about Mick, or that I think
Speaker 1: contextualizes him, this is a guy who has spent his
Speaker 1: entire life with the weight of his father's legacy on
Speaker 1: his shoulders. And to make matters worse, champion auto racer
Speaker 1: Michael Schumacher is fighting for his life tonight after a
Speaker 1: skiing accident yesterday in the French Alps, and has been
Speaker 1: kind of not seen by the public since we don't
Speaker 1: really know his health status. We just know it's very
Speaker 1: not good. Holy sh it, I forgot about yeah, And
Speaker 1: if all of that wasn't bad enough, Mick was there
Speaker 1: when the freak ski accident happened. So on top of
Speaker 1: the fact that his dad is his hero, his role model,
Speaker 1: he's used these words to describe him. His AD's not
Speaker 1: doing well health wise, or he's just not as you know,
Speaker 1: someone's going I don't know as I mean, Yeah, basically
Speaker 1: we don't know he's been photographed or he hasnt been
Speaker 1: seen outside of his like Swiss compound in a decade.
Speaker 1: We have no idea. Holy sh it, that's nuts. So
Speaker 1: no one knows the full story. But way back when
Speaker 1: before all of that, Mick decides very early on that
Speaker 1: he he does like racing. He's been obviously been around
Speaker 1: race cars in the race garage his entire life. He
Speaker 1: starts carding around eight or nine years old in the
Speaker 1: late two thousands, and he actually originally drove under his mother,
Speaker 1: Karinna's maiden name Betch. They were trying to not give
Speaker 1: as much attention to him. He's a kid smart yeah, um.
Speaker 1: And and he's still very close with his mother actually,
Speaker 1: which is really sweet. Um. Yeah. And the funny thing
Speaker 1: about this whole like racing under his mom's like everyone's
Speaker 1: aware this is like Michael Schumacher's son, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the worst kept secret, and eventually, like the
Speaker 1: local press does start covering that Michael Schumacher's son under
Speaker 1: this other name is like carding. I get it, and
Speaker 1: I think it shows some intelligence and awareness of their situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a weird one. Yeah, So like he wants
Speaker 1: to cart, they know he's under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Everyone's already paying attention. Uh. He proceeds to eventually work
Speaker 1: his way into the junior formula categories. I will say
Speaker 1: there's a similar pattern that emerges, which is that Nick
Speaker 1: takes a little time to warm up. So if you
Speaker 1: look through his racing results over the years, his first
Speaker 1: seasons are usually typically kind of mediocre, not horrifically bad,
Speaker 1: but like not anything to write home about. And then
Speaker 1: he kind of comes alive more in his second season
Speaker 1: with a lot of teams and a lot of these
Speaker 1: these categories. So he never really quite hits the ground running.
Speaker 1: He's pretty private, very quiet, and if you listen to
Speaker 1: him in interviews, he's very careful with his words, so
Speaker 1: he takes he'll he'll take the pause before answering a question,
Speaker 1: or he'll kind of think, think before he spends like
Speaker 1: someone who's grown up around media, someone around media has
Speaker 1: also seen what it can do when you give too
Speaker 1: much to people. So he's never mean or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And he he's actually said he actually looks forward to
Speaker 1: doing the press. During an interview he did with F
Speaker 1: one as a podcast beyond the Grid, he had said
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I look forward to every part of
Speaker 1: F one, including you know, the media, the fans. You know,
Speaker 1: he's really excited about all of it, which is nice.
Speaker 1: But he he is very careful. He is a big
Speaker 1: thing that he took away from his dad, and he's
Speaker 1: talked about this is he is nice to everyone on
Speaker 1: the team and he never gives anyone a reason to
Speaker 1: say something bad about him. Families somewhere there in ten
Speaker 1: eleven twelve, you can give him away. Mick Schumacher and
Speaker 1: his race engineer Gary become almost a meme. Like there
Speaker 1: are YouTube videos of like all these cute radio interactions
Speaker 1: between Gary and Mick. So you have like Nikita yelling
Speaker 1: at people in the radio juxtaposed with Mick, Mick and Gary.
Speaker 1: You know, Gary will be like, Nick, great job, you
Speaker 1: really tried hard. Good job, Mick, very tricky race. Your
Speaker 1: pace was excellent there in that last stint associate soon Again,
Speaker 1: he's very clear that his dad instilled this in him,
Speaker 1: that you have to, you know, make sure you treat
Speaker 1: everyone with respect in the garage and that that's that's
Speaker 1: a key part of if you're going to be a
Speaker 1: race car driver. Seems also like a smart move considering
Speaker 1: they're making the car you drive. You don't want people
Speaker 1: to hate you exactly. Really sweet guy who's trying very
Speaker 1: hard not to not to rock the boat, not to
Speaker 1: give anyone a reason to be upset with him. Um
Speaker 1: but yeah, so so I guess on the racing front, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a little bit dice here for mick. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was in sort of an interesting position last year.
Speaker 1: It's rare the you of teams take on two rookies
Speaker 1: at the same time, because rookies, was we've discussed, can
Speaker 1: be messy and not do what you want. So Nikita,
Speaker 1: he's spinning constantly, he's crashing, he's blaming everyone, he's yelling
Speaker 1: on the radio. His dad's always in the garage yelling
Speaker 1: at everyone, etcetera, etcetera. Um Nick also has his struggles, right,
Speaker 1: he does. He does push to trying to get into
Speaker 1: Q two. He he almost gets into the points in
Speaker 1: a couple of wacky races where a ton of drivers
Speaker 1: are taken out and and he does have these a
Speaker 1: couple of moments of brilliance. At this time has got
Speaker 1: slightly ahead going into turn four. He's trying to hang
Speaker 1: it out around the house. Just slam that door on it.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about two is all of a sudden, Nikita,
Speaker 1: who everyone universally despises, is gone. And not only that,
Speaker 1: he gets a veteran experienced teammate who is specifically experienced
Speaker 1: on this team, who's older than him, and you know,
Speaker 1: starts off the whole, you know, the whole shebang with
Speaker 1: this iconic, amazing comeback you know storyline from from race one,
Speaker 1: so completely the different situations than last year, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out I think, okay, crap, you know,
Speaker 1: last year is easy to be better than like the
Speaker 1: worst guy who should not have been on the grid.
Speaker 1: Now I have a guy who has not only been
Speaker 1: on on the Formula one grid a lot, but is
Speaker 1: also known for elp getting elbows out, being a little
Speaker 1: bit diceier at times, and has no problem sort of
Speaker 1: establishing and asserting his dominance. I think when you have
Speaker 1: the situation where there's a driver who's doing better, it
Speaker 1: kind of it puts that negative light on someone like
Speaker 1: Mike Schumacher. That's Elizabeth Blackstock again, and I think Schumacher
Speaker 1: is kind of in a very negative place because he
Speaker 1: can't really win. He doesn't have Formula One experience aside
Speaker 1: from this very bad team that's done very poorly um
Speaker 1: and like, that's that's really hard. How do you know
Speaker 1: what a good car is when you've actually never driven one.
Speaker 1: Whereas Magnusson has been in Formula one for a very
Speaker 1: long time. He's driven good cars, he's driven bad cars.
Speaker 1: He's done really well with HOSS, and he's also done
Speaker 1: really poorly with HOSS. Uh. So it kind of you've
Speaker 1: got this person who knows how to combat kind of
Speaker 1: a bad car, and then you've got Mick Schumacher who
Speaker 1: doesn't have that experience and doesn't have that on his resume.
Speaker 1: So it kind of is making him look I don't
Speaker 1: want to stay incompetent, but he just doesn't look like
Speaker 1: the prodigy I think people were expecting him to be
Speaker 1: when he came into Formula One. What Mick Schumacher has
Speaker 1: going for him with his name is that people will
Speaker 1: give him a little more time, a little more time,
Speaker 1: he gets a little more personal sponsorship, and he's also
Speaker 1: been smart and been nice to everyone. So on top
Speaker 1: of the fact that the name helps, like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: a Schumach, he's a nice Schumacher. We want to help
Speaker 1: a nice Schumacher. Yes, let's making Kevin probably I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, a chaotic pairing, but not because they're
Speaker 1: chaotic to each other, but just very different ways of
Speaker 1: getting into F one and Kevin's case coming back to
Speaker 1: F one. So if you want to root for a
Speaker 1: team that cannot go downhill anymore, that cannot get any worse,
Speaker 1: that can own we go up hill from here, you
Speaker 1: go for the Hoss Formula one team. I love me
Speaker 1: some back markers. If you are three laps down, you
Speaker 1: probably have a little piece of my heart, you know.
Speaker 1: I think Elizabeth makes a great point here. That was
Speaker 1: Atlanta's king again in twenty nineteen. They scored twenty eight
Speaker 1: points and then we're like, yeah, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: going down from here. They scored three points and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: there is no way we are going down from there,
Speaker 1: and then in they scored zero. So they cannot physically
Speaker 1: go down any further. If you want someone to root
Speaker 1: for that, they have the potential two do okay that
Speaker 1: when they score a point, it is a very big
Speaker 1: day to celebrate the little things you want to go
Speaker 1: for the Hoss team. I would throw a couple of
Speaker 1: bucks on Hoss, you know what I mean. I would
Speaker 1: throw money on them, way before an Alpine or an
Speaker 1: Aston Martin or I Actually I like all forro Mayo.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, this wouldn't be all of my
Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. But I like this driving duo.
Speaker 1: And I like that Kevin has a second chance type five.
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful of people with second chances. They
Speaker 1: go hard. Yeah he he, and he already went hard
Speaker 1: to begin with. Yeah, I like I like this team.
Speaker 1: I like this team. I have never watched in Formula
Speaker 1: one race. I have not seen five seconds of a
Speaker 1: Formula one race. I like Kevin mac Maybe when I
Speaker 1: watched him race, I'll go, oh, this guy's not for me,
Speaker 1: but uh, I like him, and I'm excited to watch
Speaker 1: all these people race. And um, it's not their fault
Speaker 1: that Williams story gave him, you know, It's not like
Speaker 1: they have anything to do with that, I don't think,
Speaker 1: but I think this is this is an interesting team teams. Man,
Speaker 1: we did all ten before we hear who you're officially
Speaker 1: picking for for your team and your driver. We're going
Speaker 1: to actually let you watch At Long Last a Formula
Speaker 1: One race. You guys, let me go to the bathroom too? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: time to time, time to take a break. No, I
Speaker 1: mean great, because you can't tell anything until you watch.
Speaker 1: It's one of those it's it's a it's a catch
Speaker 1: twenty two and that letting you watch too early you'd
Speaker 1: be just kind of confused, or maybe would you'd be
Speaker 1: one of those uh those dads always ask questions like
Speaker 1: even though they haven't watched, like of the movie, my
Speaker 1: dad doesn't cost um. So yeah, it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where I think a lot of stuff wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made sense without the context. But now that you know it,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, let's let's actually see these guys go
Speaker 1: out there and and do something I can't wait to
Speaker 1: watch for real. And so then after after at Long Last,
Speaker 1: after all of that, you will finally make your choice.
Speaker 1: What if after all this I come back and I'm
Speaker 1: like hung jury. We gotta read it's got to be
Speaker 1: a clause in your contract against season two. I promised
Speaker 1: to YOHI to Lily, to Rob and every of our listeners,
Speaker 1: I will pick a team to support. I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: a list of teams and a list of driving Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is producer Kai here. Just quickly before we before
Speaker 1: we sign off. Speaking of breaks, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: tell our listeners that we are going to be taking
Speaker 1: a little break while we work on our big finale.
Speaker 1: But stay tuned to the feet anyway, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a little something to tide you over. This has
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