1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Um, we are rolling, so whenever you're ready. There is 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: an American team on the grid. Technically yes, and it 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: is okay, it's not the name I was expecting to hear. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: What I heard America. You're hoping Williams. No, I don't 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: even know what I was thinking. I was hoping, go USA, 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: like you know, America Team Military, Team Independence, come in 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: your way. We have reached the tenth and final team 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: of the pinnacle, the pod or like bottom of the barrel. 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: But I like the spirit because we're going to need 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: it with this team anyway. The word I would say 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: to best describe HOSS is chaos. They have got chaotic drivers, 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: they've got a chaotic team principle, a chaotic owner, and 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: then also very very chaotic sponsors. If the office and 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: parks and rec need like a third or another version 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: of a workplace mockumentary, this is the team to do 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: it tough, to consistently win. If the one word associated 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: with your team is chaos, yes, it's is to It's 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: just you need stability, which which these guys do not have. 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: So so yeah, So today, on choosing sides of one, 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: we are diving into the history of the only American 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: owned team on the grid Hoss very very American and 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: yet also very not from I Heart Radio and Sports 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Illustrated Studios, This is choosing sides one Wow, So let's 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: dive into Our story begins with a man named Gene Hoss. 25 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: By normal people standards, he is a very wealthy man 26 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: by Formula one standards. Lauren Stroll a k Daddy Stroll, 27 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: his net worth is around three billion. According to Wikipedia, 28 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Gene Hasses is only around two fifty to three hundred million. 29 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Only a millionaire. He was he should quit, Well he's 30 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: he's you know, it's just not going to work out 31 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: for him with his only three hundred million dollars. He 32 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: is not involved with the you know, well known avocado 33 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: outfit Hoss. He is known for basically making machines that 34 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: make machines is how I just put it. Yes, so 35 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: into machinery. He is also a massive car guy just 36 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: in general and into motorsports, so he has sponsored other 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: teams over the years, most notably NASCAR. Gina Hasses Vibe 38 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: is the guy who is kind of in the background, 39 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: like he doesn't make a lot of noise, but he's 40 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: always there. He's like the mastermind he plants a seed 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: and then lets it grow. The people you're hearing from 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: our Atlantis King and Elizabeth Blackstock. They're both motorsports journalists 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: and co authors of the book Racing with Rich Energy 44 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: colon how a rogue sponsor took Formula One for a ride. 45 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: Gene Hass is just watching from afar, and you don't 46 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: want to make him upset? Is he an American? Gene 47 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: has hast American. They have a NASCAR team UM and 48 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: a long legacy of actually like taking part in sports, 49 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: so it makes sense that Hoss would kind of take 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: it to a much larger stage. So basically back, Gene 51 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: Hass and some partners announced that they're going to create 52 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: a Formula one team starting with the Chaos It was 53 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: supposed to launch in but gets delayed to Which does 54 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: happen with new teams and funding and logistics resources, etcetera 55 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: before all of that even happens though. A very fun 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: fact about Gene In two thousand six, he was arrested 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: for filing false tax returns, witness intimidation and conspiracy. We 58 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: are off to a great start. He later pleaded guilty 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: for felony conspiracy to commit tax evasion he was sentenced 60 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: to two years in prison. He served sixteen months in 61 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: prison and then had to pay seventy five million dollars 62 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: in restitution. WHOA, that's our guy, Jeane. WHOA chaos to begin, Yeah, 63 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: that's a rough start. But you know, some of some 64 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: of what I'm liking about all of this is if 65 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: this podcast can shed some light that rich people do 66 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: some shady ship. I think sometimes in America we think 67 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: he's got money, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, okay, 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: sometimes and sometimes they do illegal ship to get money 69 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: and to get even more money, get even more money, 70 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: and they all work together in cahoots. You don't want 71 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: witness intimidation on your resume. Also, I just want it's 72 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: like conspiracy and that's the charge, like what what did? 73 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: What did you conspire? It's just it's almost more ominous 74 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: when there's nothing attached to it, conspiracy. So so a 75 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: guy who's got that much money and that many lawyers 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: like that, he probably did a good job fighting the 77 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: case and he's still served fifteen months into pay seventy 78 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: million dollars, Like, you have to be pretty fucked if 79 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: if that was the negotiation you got. So yeah, of course, 80 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: that never gets mentioned in Formula One. But it's like 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: very funny that everyone breezes over. I mean we we 82 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: talked about Force India with Aston Martin and that guy 83 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: being wanted in like multiple countries, and like, by comparison, 84 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: this is very quaint. It's cute. Yeah, but Formula one 85 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: does have this problem and needs so much money that 86 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: it's going to get some shady characters. Well that's actually 87 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: a perfect segue into literally the rest of this episode. 88 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing here. Uh so so has from 89 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: the very beginning has always struggled financially, and the team 90 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: almost I wouldn't say identically to Williams, but similarly to Williams, 91 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: has gained this reputation of being scrappy and tiny. So, 92 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: for instance, at one point, just to give an example, 93 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: how smaller they are than some of the other teams, 94 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: hoss back ineen Ish gun Thor mentioned they had about 95 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: two employees for for Hosses F one team. By comparison, 96 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Mercedes F one team around the same time had a 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: thousand more people than hass Yeah, just for F one. 98 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: If you say the two magic words Lewis Hamilton's and Mercedes, 99 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's a successful combination, so you will be 100 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: more likely to throw money at that pairing something like 101 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: HOSS doesn't have that. They tried to do things on 102 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: as much of a budget as they possibly could. A 103 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: big part of when their team launched is they sort 104 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: of marketed the scrappiness as hey, we're going to buy 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: a hodge podge of parts and in power units and 106 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: all this stuff from different teams. But in doing so, 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: we're showing how Formula One teams can be started for 108 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: less money and hopefully diversified the grid from that perspective. 109 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: And so you know, you no longer need to be 110 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: a Mercedes or you know, a Ferrari to get on 111 00:06:53,960 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: the grid. You can be like us. So next, we 112 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: can't really talk about HOSS without talking about all of 113 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the issues they've had with sponsors over a very extended 114 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: period of time. Obviously, a lot of you know, teams 115 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: need sponsors a lot of times. The wars off teams 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: are doing, the more desperate they get with who they 117 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: ask for sponsorship. We do know, obviously talking about Williams, 118 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: that everything's getting eaten up by larger and larger private 119 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: equity firms and corporations and whatnot, especially as the sport 120 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: gets more expensive every year. The first sponsor we're going 121 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: to talk about is a sketchy energy drink company called 122 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Rich Energy. My gosh, I'm going to assume you have 123 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: never seen, had or heard of Rich Energy. I thought 124 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: it was like rich money infused energy, like a power 125 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: unit energy. I was wrong, you were you were wrong, 126 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: But it was bound to happen at some in this podcast, 127 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: the last episode. I'm wrong. So Rich Energy is a 128 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: is a energy drink hypothetically. Okay, okay. So it's the 129 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: end of ten. We're heading into the nineteen season. Hass 130 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: has had a couple of years on the grid. Was 131 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: the hass F one team's most successful year by far. 132 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: They finished fifth in the team standings, five of ten. 133 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: That's a big deal for a team that's only been 134 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: around for a couple of years. Is very impressive. Yeah, 135 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: and they have less money than everyone else. They got 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: your pure personnel, so it's looking great and then everything 137 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: kind of uh went downhill from there. So as always, 138 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: like I said, HOSSA is always needing more money always, 139 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: that's always the case for them. They start obviously looking 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: for sponsors and other people who can who can give 141 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: them a little bit of a leg up financially. And 142 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a man named William's Story comes 143 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: in and he says, I am the founder and businessman 144 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: behind this successful energy drink company called Rich Energy, and 145 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: everyone's like that is great, okay, you know Rich Energy. 146 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,239 Speaker 1: Williams story excellent. Rich Energy was a sponsor for boxers, 147 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: UM for some smaller lower tier racing athletes, especially in 148 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: motorcycle racing. UM. So it looked on its face to 149 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: be a legitimate company and especially one that was promoting 150 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: itself as a luxury energy drink, something that you you 151 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't find in a gas station, something that you would 152 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: find in a nightclub, which I think is a very 153 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: appealing look and a very appealing draw for the very 154 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: elite levels of Formula one. And of course William's Story 155 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: has like some long, scraggly beard and just looks like 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: a weird dude, Like already getting weird dude vibes off 157 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the bat. So we are here for the unveiling of 158 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: the Rich Energy has f one Formula one team Livery 159 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: Us does their big abut of the car, brand new 160 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: black and gold delivery. Wow, that looks pretty tasty. They 161 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: unveiled this car that was a really beautiful car. It 162 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: looked great. This gold antler logo, it's it's the Rich 163 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: Energy logo. William's story has pledged millions of pounds slash 164 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: dollars to the team. What does it mean? It's now 165 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the title sponsor of the House of One team. We're 166 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: absolutely delighted and we think that has are you know, 167 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: absolutely our favorite team on the grid, the brilliant people 168 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: and they're the perfect partner for Rich Energy as we 169 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: move forward to take Red Bull challenge RedBull on and 170 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: off the track. It made a big, big statement, so 171 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: everybody starts googling. Fans very quickly are like, who the 172 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: fuck is Rich Energy and William's story? Is this some 173 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: weird niche? Like it's only a baila about a couple 174 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: of countries, Like what's the deal with this? One New 175 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Year they posted a photo of a pool and they 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: said a New Year's swim with Rich Energy, and the 177 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: pool had a rich Energy logo on the bottom up 178 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: it um the image of the pool was actually taken 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: from the Internet and the logo was photoshopped in. Fans 180 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: also start saying like, well, where can we buy it 181 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: and the very things we find it's almost impossible to buy. 182 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: Pretty simple question, Yeah, where can I buy this product? 183 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean even in my newsletter. If if if this has 184 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: been announced with my my newsletter was around, I would 185 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: have tried to go out and buy Rich Energy to 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: like rank the different energy drinks that sponsor F one 187 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: teams like. It's a very Energy is great. It's like 188 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: almost like some guy was like, Okay, I am poor 189 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: and need to make this sound richer. I've got an 190 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: idea Rich Energy I already love has. I think they're 191 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: in my top three. This is awesome. This is great 192 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: comedy slash entertainment. I told you this is an episode 193 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: of Parks and Wreck like waiting to Happen or the Office. Yeah, 194 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: like you could see Michael Scott being like, I've got 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: a new sponsor for the Office. It's gonna be yeah. 196 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: So so we have each Energy and fans. So these 197 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: aren't even people within motorsports only who are doing this. 198 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Journalists are obviously looking into it, but fans are looking 199 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: this up. And it's Oliver Twitter. Obviously a lot of 200 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: company records are just publicly available. Normally, you would expect 201 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: a team to be looking at the financial records of 202 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: these companies to establish it. There's legitimate products. You know, 203 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: you can sell this somewhere. You can find this product somewhere. Um. 204 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: And that was part of what made Rich Energy so perplexing, 205 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: was that the financials that were available, We're not great. 206 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: They had under a thousand dollars in the bank at 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: the time that the deal was signed. Those were the 208 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: most recent financial records. UM. No one really had any 209 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: idea where to buy it unless you bought it online. 210 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: It was It was a mystery, and I think it 211 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: will probably remain a mystery. Smokes. This is just shady 212 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: or money laundering or something. Yeah. More and more evidence 213 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: piles up as the season begins that William's story is 214 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: not who he claims to be, and that his company 215 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: is not what he says it is. So and on 216 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: top of that, the host team is not doing well 217 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: on the racetrack. They don't have a great car, so 218 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing is just a magnificent implosion William's story 219 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: that announces on Twitter without telling anyone's terminating the deal 220 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: with the Hoss team due to poor performance and the 221 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: PC attitude of F one because F one is the 222 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: pinnacle of political correctness. When I think, you know woke people, 223 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: I think Formula one race car driving. Then the host 224 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: team responds and says, no, we did not have a 225 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: performance clause in the contract. The contract is still together. 226 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: We are still the Rich Energy Hass F one team. 227 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: And then a few weeks later, Hass terminates the partnership. 228 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: On its end, it just makes a mockery of the team. 229 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: It also just ties up all their resources into something 230 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: totally dumb. And also all of the press, right, no 231 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: one cares about how they're racing. They care about this 232 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: absurd scandal. Then Hass ran just black and gold blank 233 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: cars for the rest of the season before going into 234 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: and changing the livery. It really becomes the scandal that 235 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: launches a thousand memes. Right there's there's still to this day, 236 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: years later, endless mockery of this whole situation. Well, maybe 237 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Gene has should do a little googling before he accept 238 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: some sponsorship money. This was like the single question we 239 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: struggled to find an answer too, because no one was 240 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: willing to speak about why Hass took on Rich Energy. Um, 241 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: no one was willing to tell us what that vetting 242 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: process look like. UM has repeatedly said that they did 243 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: their due diligence UM in vetting rich Energy as a 244 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: sponsor UM, but wouldn't describe exactly what that meant. HASS 245 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: is an interesting organization and that it's very small and 246 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of loyalty both to Hoss Automotive and 247 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: to the team principle talk about Gunther Steiner. So it's 248 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: to this day not clear who was in charge of 249 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: finding and vetting rich energy. We still don't know. Yeah, 250 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: we still don't know who was in charge of, you know, 251 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: signing on the dotted line. We don't know how much 252 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: Gunther or Gene Hass really knew. And then we yeah, 253 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: we never really know. William's story has also sent then 254 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: try to tease quote unquote coming back to formula one. 255 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Obviously it's a it's a bunch of bullshit, but I 256 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: want to see what he looks like. I'm gonna google 257 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: him real quick. S D O R E. I are 258 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you kidding me with this guy? I mean, this is 259 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: a straight out of Lord of the Rings, put on 260 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: a camo hat and he's ready to go hunting absolutely 261 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: rich energy. That should be like my rap name. Yeah, 262 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you if you ever want 263 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: a real deep cut, yeah, Formula one world, I say, 264 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: go for it. You would think that after this whole 265 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: very public, humiliating debackle, that HOSS would learn its lesson 266 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: and find better sponsors that were less controversial and weird 267 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: and just less ill received. You would be wrong. I 268 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: would be wrong. Yes. So, so this's, like we said, 269 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: it's early beginning of the season. We skip ahead to 270 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: the end of so we are in the pandemic at 271 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: this point. This is, I guess it relatively recent. So 272 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: Hass again started for cash because nothing what else is new? 273 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: And so Hass announces that they're going to be working 274 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: with a Russian chemical fertilizer company called Ural Collige. I mean, 275 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: the first two words of that Russian fertilizer would tell 276 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: me to back off. Yeah, you can see where this 277 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: is going. So this, this company is headed up by 278 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: a Russian oligarch who is besties with Vladimir Putin named 279 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: Dmitri Mazepin. And so why does Dmitri Mazopin want a 280 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: sudden sponsorship on the F one grid Because he wants 281 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: his son to race there you go. So, Dmitri has 282 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: a son named Nikita. Nikita had actually previously a couple 283 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: years prior then banned for a bit from racing in 284 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: the junior formulas because he punched a competitor after a race. 285 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: To give you just an idea of his vibe, So 286 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: Nikita really wants to get enough one. He's not really 287 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: good enough to do it on his own marriage or 288 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: through other means, so good old dad helps him do that. 289 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: And on top of Nikita already being known as yeah, 290 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: a not good driver who's then very angry and takes 291 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: out in not great ways, he also, right before the 292 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: season starts as a December he posts a video of 293 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: him essentially groping a woman's chest like a friend, and that, 294 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: for understandable reasons, does not go over well with the 295 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: fan base. People are really angry at Hoss gunther Steiner. 296 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: The team principle has to issue this weird, vague statement 297 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: because they don't really know what to do and they 298 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: need his dad's money. That's no news, and we don't 299 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: want the news out of it. We we've been internally 300 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: have a dealing internal not we with and that's the 301 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: That's the only thing I want to say, Maybe take 302 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: this serious. What happened, and David, we've bell deal with it, 303 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: you know. So I don't want to go into any 304 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: comments about the domage and expected this. I just want 305 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: to say, prost us wed with it. What about managing 306 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: him going forward? Are you concerned about that? No, that's 307 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: refit dating with it. This makes me think that has 308 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: is so tight lipped and loyal, not because there's some scrappy, 309 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: intelligent competitive team, but because they are shady. Mother. These 310 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: are just the things we know. It is already bad. 311 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: Don't even know how deep this goes, but what what 312 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: exactly transpired internally? But so so, like any good billionaire father, yeah, daddy, 313 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: mas a Pin says, yeah, I'll give you all this money, 314 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars if my son gets one 315 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: of these seats going into does get a seat. Not 316 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: only does he get a seat, but you were that 317 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: kid I said he punched after a race. This guy 318 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: callum I Loot is sort of for his class, considered 319 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: the guy who was meant to drive an F one 320 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and didn't get a seat. Nikita mas Pin gets a seat. 321 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: That would just drive me insane. How is hass As 322 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: a racing team? Besides all this sponsorship, nefarious activity, can 323 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: they race? Oh yes, we haven't even gotten to the 324 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: racing stuff. Everything else. We'll get right back into the 325 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: chaos after the break. So has long story shirt. Not really, 326 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: They're not really good. Um has starts off in their 327 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: first two seasons are understandably rocky. Maybe we've seen this 328 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: a million times with almost every other new, brand new 329 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: team to the grid. However, they have this big breakout year. 330 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: They finished P five, so they're excited because they think, oh, 331 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: we're comfortably in the midfield. Right for a third year team. 332 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: That's great. A lot of teams would be super stoked 333 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: if on their third year they were just sitting there. 334 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: At some point, we're also competing for p the P. 335 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: Four spot on the standing, so things are looking great. 336 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: Since then, though, it has been an endless struggle bus 337 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: for has So. Like I said, in addition to the 338 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: sponsorship issues, their car is not great. The car isn't good. 339 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: And then to make matters even worse. Fuck, this was 340 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: a big At the end of one of the last 341 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: races of the season, one of their drivers, Roman Grosjean, 342 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: who now is an IndyCar. Roman has a massive crash 343 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: at the start of the race where his car literally 344 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: splits in two in a giant fireball. All my muscle relaxes, 345 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: almost not have a smile, but in peace with myself, 346 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: thinking I would die in enough foot which part is 347 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: gonna burn? First said the food the hands is going 348 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: to be painful, and then thought about my kids. And 349 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: now they think for several minutes he's dead, and then 350 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: he comes like jumping out of this like a literal fight. 351 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: It is completely on fire. People are trying to put 352 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: it out. I can feel the pain and the burn, 353 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: but I'm going up somehow miraculously only ends up with 354 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: some scarring and issues on his hands. Yeah, so shouldn't 355 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: put that Russian fertilizer in the trunk? It wasn't there yet. 356 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: But this is at this point Roman and the other driver, 357 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Kevin Magnusson, who we know, comes back. They knew they 358 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: were kind of on their way out already, so but yeah, 359 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: so Roman Grosjean, who had a very long and interesting, 360 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: if one career, ends it with this, this gigantic fiery explosion, 361 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: scary and just again caps off another not great thing 362 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: to happen to this team, and it brings you back 363 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: to hey, it's funny William's story, rich energy, Russian, futile. 364 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: It's all funny. But it's like when things go awry, 365 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: people can die and that's the tagline. But yeah, the 366 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: stakes are high. Roman now calls himself the Phoenix and 367 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: like rising from the ashes. And let me guess this 368 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: experience only made him love racing more. Oh it did? 369 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: He went over and they're all insane. You keep mentioning Gunther? 370 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: Who is this Gunther? Yeah, so Steiner from a name 371 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: like that. What country do you think? He's from Germany 372 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: or Austria. He is from Italy, but he is used 373 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: to everyone thinking he's German. He talks about this constantly. 374 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Is part of his personality to mention everyone that he 375 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: is Italian. Everyone I know who's Italian. Every sentence begins 376 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: with I'm Italian. Yes, even my friends who live in 377 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: Michigan that are like seven generations removed from Italy. They 378 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: want you to know they know how to make possible 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: and they don't. Actually. That's so. Gunther gets a start 380 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: way back when as a mechanic working in the Rally 381 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Motorsports series, kind of works his way through a bunch 382 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: of different motorsports series and whatnot. But he eventually ends 383 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: up in the early two thousand's at an F one 384 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: team called Jaguar. Jaguar eventually gets sold to Red Bull 385 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands. That's the team the Red 386 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: Bull Team takes over and rebrands. So gunther Steiner is 387 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: with Red Bull for a little bit, but it becomes 388 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: very clear he's not vibing with them, he's not mentioning 389 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: with them, He's not doing well. So he takes a 390 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: couple of years off after serving as their technical director, 391 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: and eventually he founds his own manufacturing company over in 392 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: the US, trying to figure out, I think what he 393 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: wants to do next, and eventually gunther Steiner meets with 394 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: Gene Hass and one of his associates at like a steakhouse. 395 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: They're kind of saying, well, entering off one is expensive, 396 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: we don't know how to do it. He says, Hey, 397 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: you kind of just buy parts from other teams or whatever, 398 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: you know, and that's how we we kind of scraped this, 399 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, scrape this whole thing together, and eventually that's 400 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: how the whole thing starts. As gun Through and Jane 401 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: start working together, they build this thing from the ground up. 402 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: They have this sort of interesting relationship where Jean as 403 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: a millionaire but not billionaire, but as a very rich person. 404 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Whenever he's dissatisfied, he calls, you know, Gun through very upset, 405 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: and then Gun has to sort of smooth things over 406 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I know people fuck things up, 407 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: like it's fine, Like we'll figure it out. So that's 408 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of their dynamic. So when you're working with someone 409 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: like Steiner, he might be a little bit harsh, but 410 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: he's going to tell you exactly what he thinks and 411 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: what's on his mind. A lot of the people I 412 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: talked to they did say we like Guther Steiner's leadership style. 413 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: Atlantis King and Elizabeth Blackstock. Again, if you look at 414 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: Formula one, Formula one is about politics. If you look 415 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: at Christian Horner, Christian Horner is very sly. He kind 416 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: of he does what he can to benefit himself and 417 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: his team, but he's not straightforward about it. He's very 418 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: politic e gunther Stein will come up to you and 419 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: he'll just say, what's going on? Fix it? All? Right? 420 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: Well we haven't discussed who's driving. Yes, that's pretty important. 421 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: Who is driving these hoss cars? Okay, Well, remember when 422 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: I said we'd come back around to this whole girl 423 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: colleague Nikita Man's a pine story. Alright, alright, So first driver, 424 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about old hass veteran Kevin Magnusson, Right, 425 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: So okay, So I'm gonna start with Kevin's background and career, 426 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of emerge will happen where we'll 427 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: get to present day of how, how, what we're why 428 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: we're kind of I'm chuckling as I talk about Kevin 429 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: Magnusson's time at Hass so k Mag He's called k 430 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Mag often. He's a Danish racing driver. He very much 431 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: gets a reputation which we'll talk about, as you know, 432 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: the bad boy or a bad boy of the F 433 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: one grid around the outside again, trying to hang on 434 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: in there and asked we said, Kevin Magnuson did not 435 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: leave him any room whatsoever. His father, Yon Magnusson, also 436 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: a racing driver. He competed in a little bit of 437 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: F one in the nineties, but was not very good. 438 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: Kevin quickly distinguishes himself when he starts his carding career 439 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: when he's young, eventually makes his way through the lower 440 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: formulas and he's a member of McLaren's Young Driver's program 441 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: during that time. So in he gets his start at 442 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: McLaren and his season goes it's okay. Unfortunately, though, the 443 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: next year he's demoted by the team because the team 444 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: signs Fernando Alonso, So Kevin is out, Fernando is in. 445 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: Obviously he's upset about this, and after again a little 446 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: more bouncing around, he does a one season stint at 447 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: our good friends Reno now Karl Peene and then eventually 448 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: at the start of he comes to HOSS. I will 449 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: say now in present day he's twenty nine, almost thirty 450 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: years old, so he's pretty young. So k Bag is 451 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: that Hoss for four years. Basically, it's just as we've 452 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: established kind of a weird team and a weird time. 453 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: He has some real triumphs, he has some real issues. 454 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: Ken to come and see he's made please. It is 455 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: also during this time that we get the iconic k 456 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: mag saying Kevin is like kind of bitter for a 457 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I'm picking up that vibe a little bit. Yeah, 458 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: that guy's kind of an asshole, but I dig it. 459 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Blackstock again, Kevin magnus Him is kind of a 460 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: fan favorite driver, but like not not in the Daniel 461 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Ricardo since of like, this is a person with a 462 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: lot of personality who's really friendly and nice. Do you 463 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: want to hang out with him? It's more like Kevin 464 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: magnus Him is like the sassy version, very very like 465 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: Viking esque. Um, he's got like that. I don't know, 466 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: almost a masculinity about him. That's very funny. Um, But 467 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: he's he's a good driver. He's a how a aggressive driver. 468 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: I think news has broken and it's broken down at 469 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: hass Heaven. Mansen will not be saying next season when 470 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: he ends his time there. Yeah, he's pretty quick to 471 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: be kind of rude about hass He comes up with 472 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: a memoir during the off season were basically says everyone sucks. 473 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: I remember reading it and just like my jaw was dropped, 474 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: Like I cannot believe this man just said all of 475 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: this during the off season between two Hassa debuts the 476 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: car and he actually posted me on his Instagram making 477 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: fun of it. So by and large everyone kind of 478 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: had had shuffled him out the f one door. It 479 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: was just assumed he's had another guy trying to figure 480 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: out what he's gonna do post f one, and then 481 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: in February, what seemed unthinkable in the entry is now underway. 482 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: Russia invades Ukraine, and every single sports organization in the world, 483 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: as we know, is freaking out over what to do 484 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: about Russian athletes, Russian coaches, in Russian sponsorship. Politically, this 485 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: is a it's a geopolitical disasters, and so f One, 486 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: of course, very quickly is getting questions about this left 487 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: and right. As his Hoss, the geopolitical issues that go 488 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: on in the world kind of get ignored by Formula one, 489 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: especially when you've got so many Saudi Arabian oil companies 490 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: that it was like I could see them, you know, 491 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: sticking with Earl Collige. Well they did not. It also 492 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: doesn't help that no one likes your oal colleague. No 493 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: one likes them as a pin father son duo. Everyone 494 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: hates Nikita and he finished last in the championship. Pretty 495 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: simple decision, exactly. So it's already I think HOSS almost 496 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: given the speed at which they made this all happen, 497 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that they too, We're kind of ready 498 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: for it. Like right in the middle of preseason testing, 499 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: they got rid of him literally overnight. You know, news 500 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: comes out the next day, you know, houses like okay, um, 501 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: we're going to take the girl colleague branding off. Like immediately, 502 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: he formed his own little coalition of canceled athletes because 503 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: apparently it was a personal slight, not a geopolitical issue 504 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: that got him cut. I have decided to make a 505 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: foundation that will be supporting athletes that have lost that 506 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: chance to compete in the support at the highest level 507 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: because all the non sporting decision. We will be providing jobs, 508 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: financial support, psychological and legal aid. In case the athletes 509 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: wish to debate the position, the foundation will be called 510 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: We Compete as One. Meanwhile, then Kevin Magnusson is hanging 511 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: out having a good time during motorsports general offseason when 512 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: he gets a phone call from his old boss Guler Steiner, saying, Hey, 513 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: you want to come back and race in four Hold on, 514 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine. Yeah, and our shitty driver that everyone 515 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: hates and his terrible father had to leave. And so 516 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: Kevin Magnuson, being the very smart guy he is, says 517 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: sure I would do that. Um, I would like a 518 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: multi year contract. So he goes from being ousted from 519 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: F one, now being guaranteed on the grid barring a 520 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: performance issue for at least at least a couple of years. 521 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: I love it. This is awesome for him and his family. 522 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: I hope his feet were up on a chaise lounge 523 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: and they called and he's looked at his wife and 524 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: smiled and says, we're back in the money. It had 525 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: only seven days today, next days to the second day 526 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: of the season. Kevin knows the team, the deem knows Kevin. 527 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: Kevin was the team, so it's it's a no brainer. 528 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't, you know, put two middle fingers 529 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: up on his way out of there and you know, 530 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: break his desk and say I hate all you guys. 531 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: It's probably smart enough to burn the bridge. The funny 532 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: thing is he kind of did, but they still love him, 533 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: like they still were like back and get back. Yeah, 534 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it's just like I said, it 535 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: works for Hassa, probably wouldn't work for any other team, 536 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: but for HAS, They're like, okay, they don't they don't 537 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: want to test another new person. They already had a 538 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: terrible season with two rookies. Yeah, everybody knows hiring and 539 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: training somebody new is more of a headache than taking 540 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: someone that was doing a decent job before. And also 541 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: to this point, Kevin, Kevin knows that he's really lucked 542 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: out here, so he starts towing the party line a little. 543 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: But he's like, I'm really excited to be back at HASS, 544 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: but like, you did not feel that way literally two months, 545 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: like a month ago. But okay, this is an endearing story. 546 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: It's endearing, and he's such a character that it's sort 547 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: of like this is the most bizarre things. So so 548 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: I won't go into fully Kevin's two season, but Hass 549 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: already people are excited. They have this awful car. In 550 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: one they basically didn't develop their car. They said, we're 551 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: gonna put all of our money and efforts into our 552 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: new regulation car. So everyone's waiting with bated breath to 553 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: see how the new Hoss car is. They've they've built 554 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: this up for over a year now, and they basically 555 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: took all of the eural Collie Russian money and then 556 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: got to spend it on developing a car and then 557 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: dropped both the sponsor and the driver. This is such 558 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: a great story because there's not a lot of positive 559 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: that comes out of Russia invading Ukraine, and this is 560 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: one of those little field good sports stories that's like, 561 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: oh good, someone got a second chance exactly. And then 562 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: on top of that, we get to the first race 563 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: in ball Rain, Kevin Magnuson and a hoss who again 564 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: they score a single point. He ends up in P five. 565 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: Can come back today. I cannot believe it. Thanks, thanks, 566 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: thank you, fuck guys company. This you see Kevin's wife 567 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: and he has an infant daughter. Came and his wife 568 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: obviously has seen him through everything. It's just also losing 569 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: her mind. His daughter is just like smiling because she 570 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do when she's a baby, but 571 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: she's just like everyone is so excited. He scored points 572 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: and three of the first four races, which was something 573 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: that House has not done in two years, so it 574 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: was it was very much he Oh my gosh, is 575 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: this a comeback? Is the team doing better? Is this like, 576 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, are we going to have them back? Competing 577 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: for fifth place? Is very solid midfield team, especially now 578 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: that we've had these massive regulations changes that have shaken 579 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: everything up. Well, not really. As the season has gone on, 580 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot more unreliability. We've had a lot 581 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: more more drama going on. Uh and it's yeah, it 582 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: hasn't exactly gone as as nicely as I think a 583 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: lot of people predicted with that fifth place finish mechanical 584 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: problems affecting the hass I don't even miss it. Sorry bad, 585 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: you're on it. It's been kind of downhill since then. 586 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: It's okay, mag is back and we got this other driver. 587 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: You might recall that all the way back in episode one, 588 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: we're discussing the sport of Formula one. I asked you 589 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: when you knew about Formula one, Michael, what do you 590 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: know about Formula one racing? And the only thing you 591 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: could tell me was there's this Michael Schumacher guy who 592 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: was a big fucking deal and he's super rich. And 593 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: that was about it. That was that was I think 594 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: that was. That was only it. That was the only 595 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: name I knew. And we come full circle things, We're 596 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: back full circle. Yeah, to the other Schumacher. We have 597 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: to talk about his son, Mick. Oh my gosh, unbelievable. 598 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right 599 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: back almost as quick as Nikita Masipan's Formula one career, 600 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: so so Mick Schumacher. It's interesting because Michael Schumacher came 601 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: from humble beginnings. That's a huge part of his story. 602 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: He used to work on his own carding cars and 603 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of worked his way up. Mick obviously is in 604 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: a very different boat, having one of the most famous 605 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: fathers in the world. From an athletic perspective, I would 606 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: advise him to not get into racing, but I think 607 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: we're too late on that. So Nick is He's only 608 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: in his early twenties, and I think the only real 609 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: big thing to know about Mick, or that I think 610 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: contextualizes him, this is a guy who has spent his 611 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: entire life with the weight of his father's legacy on 612 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: his shoulders. And to make matters worse, champion auto racer 613 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: Michael Schumacher is fighting for his life tonight after a 614 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: skiing accident yesterday in the French Alps, and has been 615 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: kind of not seen by the public since we don't 616 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: really know his health status. We just know it's very 617 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: not good. Holy sh it, I forgot about yeah, And 618 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: if all of that wasn't bad enough, Mick was there 619 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: when the freak ski accident happened. So on top of 620 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: the fact that his dad is his hero, his role model, 621 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: he's used these words to describe him. His AD's not 622 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: doing well health wise, or he's just not as you know, 623 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: someone's going I don't know as I mean, Yeah, basically 624 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: we don't know he's been photographed or he hasnt been 625 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: seen outside of his like Swiss compound in a decade. 626 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: We have no idea. Holy sh it, that's nuts. So 627 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: no one knows the full story. But way back when 628 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: before all of that, Mick decides very early on that 629 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: he he does like racing. He's been obviously been around 630 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: race cars in the race garage his entire life. He 631 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: starts carding around eight or nine years old in the 632 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: late two thousands, and he actually originally drove under his mother, 633 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Karinna's maiden name Betch. They were trying to not give 634 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: as much attention to him. He's a kid smart yeah, um. 635 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: And and he's still very close with his mother actually, 636 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: which is really sweet. Um. Yeah. And the funny thing 637 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: about this whole like racing under his mom's like everyone's 638 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: aware this is like Michael Schumacher's son, but it's like 639 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: it's like the worst kept secret, and eventually, like the 640 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: local press does start covering that Michael Schumacher's son under 641 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: this other name is like carding. I get it, and 642 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: I think it shows some intelligence and awareness of their situation. 643 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it's a weird one. Yeah, So like he wants 644 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: to cart, they know he's under a lot of pressure. 645 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: Everyone's already paying attention. Uh. He proceeds to eventually work 646 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: his way into the junior formula categories. I will say 647 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: there's a similar pattern that emerges, which is that Nick 648 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: takes a little time to warm up. So if you 649 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: look through his racing results over the years, his first 650 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: seasons are usually typically kind of mediocre, not horrifically bad, 651 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: but like not anything to write home about. And then 652 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: he kind of comes alive more in his second season 653 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of teams and a lot of these 654 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: these categories. So he never really quite hits the ground running. 655 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: He's pretty private, very quiet, and if you listen to 656 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: him in interviews, he's very careful with his words, so 657 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: he takes he'll he'll take the pause before answering a question, 658 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: or he'll kind of think, think before he spends like 659 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: someone who's grown up around media, someone around media has 660 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: also seen what it can do when you give too 661 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: much to people. So he's never mean or anything like that. 662 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: And he he's actually said he actually looks forward to 663 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: doing the press. During an interview he did with F 664 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: one as a podcast beyond the Grid, he had said 665 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: he's like, no, I look forward to every part of 666 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: F one, including you know, the media, the fans. You know, 667 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: he's really excited about all of it, which is nice. 668 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: But he he is very careful. He is a big 669 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: thing that he took away from his dad, and he's 670 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: talked about this is he is nice to everyone on 671 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: the team and he never gives anyone a reason to 672 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: say something bad about him. Families somewhere there in ten 673 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: eleven twelve, you can give him away. Mick Schumacher and 674 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: his race engineer Gary become almost a meme. Like there 675 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: are YouTube videos of like all these cute radio interactions 676 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: between Gary and Mick. So you have like Nikita yelling 677 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: at people in the radio juxtaposed with Mick, Mick and Gary. 678 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: You know, Gary will be like, Nick, great job, you 679 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: really tried hard. Good job, Mick, very tricky race. Your 680 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: pace was excellent there in that last stint associate soon Again, 681 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: he's very clear that his dad instilled this in him, 682 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: that you have to, you know, make sure you treat 683 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: everyone with respect in the garage and that that's that's 684 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: a key part of if you're going to be a 685 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: race car driver. Seems also like a smart move considering 686 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: they're making the car you drive. You don't want people 687 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: to hate you exactly. Really sweet guy who's trying very 688 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: hard not to not to rock the boat, not to 689 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: give anyone a reason to be upset with him. Um 690 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: but yeah, so so I guess on the racing front, Yeah, 691 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: it's been a little bit dice here for mick. Uh. 692 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: He was in sort of an interesting position last year. 693 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: It's rare the you of teams take on two rookies 694 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: at the same time, because rookies, was we've discussed, can 695 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: be messy and not do what you want. So Nikita, 696 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: he's spinning constantly, he's crashing, he's blaming everyone, he's yelling 697 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: on the radio. His dad's always in the garage yelling 698 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: at everyone, etcetera, etcetera. Um Nick also has his struggles, right, 699 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: he does. He does push to trying to get into 700 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: Q two. He he almost gets into the points in 701 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: a couple of wacky races where a ton of drivers 702 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: are taken out and and he does have these a 703 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: couple of moments of brilliance. At this time has got 704 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: slightly ahead going into turn four. He's trying to hang 705 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: it out around the house. Just slam that door on it. 706 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: What's interesting about two is all of a sudden, Nikita, 707 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: who everyone universally despises, is gone. And not only that, 708 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: he gets a veteran experienced teammate who is specifically experienced 709 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: on this team, who's older than him, and you know, 710 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: starts off the whole, you know, the whole shebang with 711 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: this iconic, amazing comeback you know storyline from from race one, 712 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: so completely the different situations than last year, and he's 713 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: trying to figure out I think, okay, crap, you know, 714 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: last year is easy to be better than like the 715 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: worst guy who should not have been on the grid. 716 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: Now I have a guy who has not only been 717 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: on on the Formula one grid a lot, but is 718 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: also known for elp getting elbows out, being a little 719 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: bit diceier at times, and has no problem sort of 720 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: establishing and asserting his dominance. I think when you have 721 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: the situation where there's a driver who's doing better, it 722 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: kind of it puts that negative light on someone like 723 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: Mike Schumacher. That's Elizabeth Blackstock again, and I think Schumacher 724 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: is kind of in a very negative place because he 725 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: can't really win. He doesn't have Formula One experience aside 726 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: from this very bad team that's done very poorly um 727 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: and like, that's that's really hard. How do you know 728 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: what a good car is when you've actually never driven one. 729 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: Whereas Magnusson has been in Formula one for a very 730 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: long time. He's driven good cars, he's driven bad cars. 731 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: He's done really well with HOSS, and he's also done 732 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: really poorly with HOSS. Uh. So it kind of you've 733 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: got this person who knows how to combat kind of 734 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: a bad car, and then you've got Mick Schumacher who 735 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have that experience and doesn't have that on his resume. 736 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: So it kind of is making him look I don't 737 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: want to stay incompetent, but he just doesn't look like 738 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: the prodigy I think people were expecting him to be 739 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: when he came into Formula One. What Mick Schumacher has 740 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: going for him with his name is that people will 741 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: give him a little more time, a little more time, 742 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: he gets a little more personal sponsorship, and he's also 743 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: been smart and been nice to everyone. So on top 744 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: of the fact that the name helps, like, Okay, he's 745 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: a Schumach, he's a nice Schumacher. We want to help 746 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: a nice Schumacher. Yes, let's making Kevin probably I think, 747 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: like I said, a chaotic pairing, but not because they're 748 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: chaotic to each other, but just very different ways of 749 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: getting into F one and Kevin's case coming back to 750 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: F one. So if you want to root for a 751 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: team that cannot go downhill anymore, that cannot get any worse, 752 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: that can own we go up hill from here, you 753 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: go for the Hoss Formula one team. I love me 754 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: some back markers. If you are three laps down, you 755 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: probably have a little piece of my heart, you know. 756 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: I think Elizabeth makes a great point here. That was 757 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: Atlanta's king again in twenty nineteen. They scored twenty eight 758 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: points and then we're like, yeah, there's no way they're 759 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: going down from here. They scored three points and you're like, well, 760 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: there is no way we are going down from there, 761 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: and then in they scored zero. So they cannot physically 762 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: go down any further. If you want someone to root 763 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: for that, they have the potential two do okay that 764 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: when they score a point, it is a very big 765 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: day to celebrate the little things you want to go 766 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: for the Hoss team. I would throw a couple of 767 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: bucks on Hoss, you know what I mean. I would 768 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: throw money on them, way before an Alpine or an 769 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: Aston Martin or I Actually I like all forro Mayo. 770 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, this wouldn't be all of my 771 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. But I like this driving duo. 772 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: And I like that Kevin has a second chance type five. 773 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 1: You gotta be careful of people with second chances. They 774 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: go hard. Yeah he he, and he already went hard 775 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: to begin with. Yeah, I like I like this team. 776 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: I like this team. I have never watched in Formula 777 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: one race. I have not seen five seconds of a 778 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: Formula one race. I like Kevin mac Maybe when I 779 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: watched him race, I'll go, oh, this guy's not for me, 780 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: but uh, I like him, and I'm excited to watch 781 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: all these people race. And um, it's not their fault 782 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: that Williams story gave him, you know, It's not like 783 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: they have anything to do with that, I don't think, 784 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: but I think this is this is an interesting team teams. Man, 785 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 1: we did all ten before we hear who you're officially 786 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: picking for for your team and your driver. We're going 787 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: to actually let you watch At Long Last a Formula 788 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: One race. You guys, let me go to the bathroom too? Yes, okay, 789 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: time to time, time to take a break. No, I 790 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: mean great, because you can't tell anything until you watch. 791 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: It's one of those it's it's a it's a catch 792 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: twenty two and that letting you watch too early you'd 793 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: be just kind of confused, or maybe would you'd be 794 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: one of those uh those dads always ask questions like 795 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: even though they haven't watched, like of the movie, my 796 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: dad doesn't cost um. So yeah, it's one of those 797 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: things where I think a lot of stuff wouldn't have 798 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: made sense without the context. But now that you know it, 799 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, let's let's actually see these guys go 800 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: out there and and do something I can't wait to 801 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: watch for real. And so then after after at Long Last, 802 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: after all of that, you will finally make your choice. 803 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: What if after all this I come back and I'm 804 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: like hung jury. We gotta read it's got to be 805 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: a clause in your contract against season two. I promised 806 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 1: to YOHI to Lily, to Rob and every of our listeners, 807 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: I will pick a team to support. I'm gonna need 808 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: a list of teams and a list of driving Hey, yeah, 809 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: this is producer Kai here. Just quickly before we before 810 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: we sign off. Speaking of breaks, I just wanted to 811 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 1: tell our listeners that we are going to be taking 812 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: a little break while we work on our big finale. 813 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,479 Speaker 1: But stay tuned to the feet anyway, because we're gonna 814 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: have a little something to tide you over. 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