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Speaker 1: taking stock with Kathleen on Bloombird Radio. As the technology

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Speaker 1: wave continues to sweep across Africa. We're very happy to

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show Jake Bright. He is joining us.

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Speaker 1: He's co author of the award winning book The Next Africa.

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Speaker 1: He's a contributor at tech Crunch and The New Yorker,

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Speaker 1: and he is constantly writing and speaking on business, politics

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Speaker 1: and foreign affairs. But of course for the last few years,

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Speaker 1: Africa has been his focus. So Jake, welcome back. Great

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Speaker 1: to be back. Well, uh, the race for e commerce

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Speaker 1: in Africa. You broke a couple of stories this week.

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Speaker 1: One of them is about eBay. What's going on, yeah,

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Speaker 1: story of tech Crunch. eBay is expanding in Africa through

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Speaker 1: a partnership with an African startup called Mall for Africa

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Speaker 1: dot Com, which basically what Mall for Africa does is

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Speaker 1: takes all the headaches that American retailers face when they

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Speaker 1: try to enter an African market with logistics, with payments, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: And it has a platform that makes it all easy

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Speaker 1: for them. So eBay is going to be able to

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Speaker 1: sell American eBay vendors will now be able to sell

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Speaker 1: to African clients um starting in Nigeria and Ghana and

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Speaker 1: Kenya through them All for Africa's platform, All for Africa

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Speaker 1: will do logistics, payments in marketing and will eventually expand

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Speaker 1: that further and will eventually open up the platform to

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Speaker 1: allow Africans to sell stuff into the US. Africans to

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Speaker 1: sell stuff into the U s well, what kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff will they sell? Well, what you have going on

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Speaker 1: is you start to get into the value proposition of

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Speaker 1: African commerce and really when you break it down, you

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Speaker 1: have an upside and a downside. The upside is that

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Speaker 1: Africa's consumer markets are really starting to define themselves. By

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Speaker 1: Mackenzie Stats, they're expected to spend a round a billion

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Speaker 1: one trillion four by seventy five billion of that is

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Speaker 1: expected to be online. So that's the upside. The downside

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Speaker 1: is that most of Africa's consumer markets are largely informal,

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Speaker 1: meaning completely off the grid barter cash exchange, and many

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Speaker 1: of the countries that have the most potential or these

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Speaker 1: e commerce startups like Mall for Africa or eBay want

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Speaker 1: to go into, they lack a lot of the baseline

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Speaker 1: infrastructure that e commerce startups completely take for granted here

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Speaker 1: in the US, and that includes you know, low internet penetration, UH,

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Speaker 1: that happens in every market, but in Africa, the contrasts

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Speaker 1: and the darkness between the challenges and the opportunities of

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Speaker 1: tapping consumer markets are even greater than other places in

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Speaker 1: well that's part of the shifting horizon, right. So what

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Speaker 1: you're getting into is you have some core economies um

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Speaker 1: central point for this this e commerce um you know venture.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why is Nigeria, for all of its challenges,

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Speaker 1: it became Africa's largest economy in twoteens through passing South Africa.

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Speaker 1: And the second is that it's Africa's largest population UM.

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Speaker 1: But the you know, the the challenge on that is

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Speaker 1: the things that these e commerce startups um like eBay

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Speaker 1: I don't think we would have believed it back then.

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Speaker 1: So these are huge movements for the continent. Then of

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Speaker 1: course there's a lot of expectation and now these companies

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Speaker 1: has to actually demonstrate that it can generate revenue and profit.

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Speaker 1: It's generated, it's it's demonstrated can generate revenue. But of course,

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Speaker 1: like all e commerce startups, the big one is actually

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Speaker 1: It's very nascent um. Africa has, as you say, this

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Speaker 1: tech ecosystem that's really had a tremendous amount of growth

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of innovation hubs, around two hundred that

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Speaker 1: and I think we've had some one on there here,

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Speaker 1: many of whom are dropping out of advanced economy gigs

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Speaker 1: to go back and found startups for everything to tackle

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Speaker 1: just about every commercial opportunity you can have, So startups

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Speaker 1: a growing amount of investment. Aubrey and I did a

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Speaker 1: tech can thrive. Alright. Jake Bryan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining US Opportunities Investment Opportunities in Tech in Africa.

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Speaker 1: He's co author of the award winning book the next Africa.

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