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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cool People Who did cool stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Kiljoyan. Each week I take you way back into

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Speaker 1: history and find people who were cool, who did stuff

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Speaker 1: that was cool because they were cool, So the difficol stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of a two part series about Haymarket,

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Speaker 1: the bomb that brings us the modern labor movement. So

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already, you might want to do yourself

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Speaker 1: a favor and go back and listen to part one.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not the boss of you. Do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: And my guest this week is none other than Robert Evans. Robert, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's the best way to describe you here? I am

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Speaker 1: the boss of you. And if you listen to this

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Speaker 1: one before listening to the first one, I will wreak

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Speaker 1: a terrible vengeance upon your soul. Hell, And that's who

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Speaker 1: I am. That's all I am is a force, a

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Speaker 1: force for revenge of content. It's unclear what I am, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: but I'm here to talk with you about this story

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Speaker 1: and other people who were forces for revenge in their

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Speaker 1: own right. That's right, that's right, And the fact that

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Speaker 1: revenge can sometimes lead to people being harmed that you

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Speaker 1: can be unpredictable exactly. And we also have our producer

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Speaker 1: Sophie here, So if do you want to say hi, Yeah, Robert, Sophie, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Hi, Hi. Okay. So we're gonna get back to

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Speaker 1: it where we last left our heroes two d folks

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Speaker 1: were at an anarchist rally in Chicago. Cops had shown up,

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Speaker 1: someone had thrown a bomb, and I was pretty proud

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Speaker 1: of that. Cliffhanger, Yeah, great first week Cliffhanger, also solid

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Speaker 1: Sylvester Stallone film Cliffhanger, good movie. Not enough mountain climbing

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Speaker 1: thrillers these days. Were their bombs in it? I think

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Speaker 1: there might have been. Actually, there's definitely like terrorists and stuff.

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Speaker 1: My memories of it are fuzzy. I haven't seen it

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Speaker 1: think probably so much like the bomb in the movie Cliffhanger,

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Speaker 1: which I've definitely seen this, probably, Yes, Yes, his bomb

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Speaker 1: shattered windows for blocks around and one cop was killed

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Speaker 1: immediately on the spot. The explosion was so loud that

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Speaker 1: the mayor heard it from his bed. He had like

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Speaker 1: And then they went to the window and he heard gunshots.

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Speaker 1: So we ran back out. The cops drew revolvers and

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Speaker 1: they started firing wildly. Six more cops were killed. All

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Speaker 1: of them were killed by other cops. Awesome critical support.

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Speaker 1: And so because some of the anarchists were armed, right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the anarchists at the time were often armed, but and

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Speaker 1: some of them might have even shot back. But like

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Speaker 1: all the forensic evidence of all of the bodies and

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Speaker 1: all the other cops who were overreacting. And one light

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Speaker 1: coming from the direction of the cops, so they like

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Speaker 1: removed it and tried to destroy the evidence immediately. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's just all such cops shit. I know. This is

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Speaker 1: like the it's not the origin of cops at the

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Speaker 1: origin of cops shit. Well, actually you covered very well, um,

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Speaker 1: but it ties into origins of the origin. This is

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Speaker 1: these guys were really breaking new ground in terms of

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Speaker 1: shooting each other to death. There's a mutual friend of ours.

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Speaker 1: I think Molly Conjure goes through like the websites that

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Speaker 1: are like end of Watch for cops, and like, boy howdy,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cops die because other cops shoot them

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Speaker 1: when they're doing like training in rooms and they're not

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Speaker 1: like practicing proper gun safe. It's like not an uncommon

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Speaker 1: And that's how six of them went out or eventually

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Speaker 1: was either a short and bloody massacre or at best

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Speaker 1: There was no rioting at any point really yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like going last, he's following a blowhard. Yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: Species was saved by his brother Henry, who like got

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Speaker 1: It was raining. Fielding was basically done. They were speaker

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Speaker 1: I think that the cops were going to attack the crowd.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not they were going to like rolling with truncheons,

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Speaker 1: who was in charge, Captain Bonfield, he had been itching

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Speaker 1: since earlier that day when he had like a council

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Speaker 1: then attacked his His nickname was Blackjack because he liked

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Speaker 1: he had such a reputation of beating people that at

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Speaker 1: could you stop beating up our employees even when they're

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Speaker 1: on strike. We actually need them. We need them to

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Speaker 1: might have wound up a massacre either way, whether or

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Speaker 1: Um oh. And then one witness who was pro cop

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Speaker 1: so this guy is believests that he dropped a couple

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Speaker 1: In the years building up to Haymarket, one anarchist professor

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Speaker 1: eventually backfire. You know, it seems like it would work. Briefly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: His quote was, you can learn to make tri nitro glycerine,

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Speaker 1: you carry a pistol. Oh my god. Um. In another letter,

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Speaker 1: another one, another person advocating for the use of dynamite, wrote, dynamite,

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Speaker 1: of all the good stuff, this is the stuff. A

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Speaker 1: pound of this good stuff beats a bushel of ballots,

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Speaker 1: kind of just wrong about dynamite. That's probably a little bit. Look, yeah,

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Speaker 1: will dynamite stop you from getting mugged? Perhaps? Will it

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Speaker 1: stop people from fucking with you? Perhaps? Yes? Is the

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Speaker 1: best way to stop people from getting funk with with

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Speaker 1: you carrying a tool that indiscriminately would destroy large chunks

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's what they wanted to go at.

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Speaker 1: like I mean, I I do intend to one day

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Speaker 1: that's legally a pistol and concealed carry it in case

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Speaker 1: like a good idea, right, And I think at some

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Speaker 1: I mean you you introduced him. He's like walking home

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Speaker 1: can totally like definitely an intriguing character. But exactively maybe

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Speaker 1: not the best idea, and so anam. I had actually

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Speaker 1: been used in labor struggle before this, but no previous

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Speaker 1: they're destroying, like using incendiaries to destroy people's vacation homes

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Speaker 1: bombing vacation homes. You know, all right, Yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: condemning that that tactic. Yeah, but this is the first

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Speaker 1: of and all across the country. Everyone freaks out and

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Speaker 1: The anarchists are going to level the city. It's it's

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Speaker 1: And um, and this is actually where the reputation of

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Speaker 1: like today and like smashing windows. In total fairness, some

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Speaker 1: happened and he was like, oh, that really makes some sense.

428
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: And soon enough he found himself an anarchist and he

429
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: joined the Larunda Verin and kind of ironically for the

430
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: fight for the eight hour work day. He works like

431
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: twelve to sixteen hour days at his German paper, and

432
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: that mean that, I mean, that's the thing with anarchists.

433
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: It's like, no, we don't want to work an eight

434
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: hour work day, but if I'm the thing I want

435
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: to do, then I will work for like nineteen hours

436
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: a day of course, yeah, exactly exactly. And he's this

437
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: guy and he actually keeps a circle bomb on his

438
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: desk in his office, and we don't know whether or

439
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: not the circle bomb was actually like one of those

440
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 1: old timey bombs circle and as little fused coming out

441
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: of it, that was probably the type of bomb that

442
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: was thrown at the cops. Um we don't know whether

443
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: or not the bomb in his office had any had

444
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: any dynamite in it or not, And the historical record

445
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: would really like you to know that Augustes was fucking hot.

446
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: That's good, you know, I was. I was going to

447
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: ask because I'm incapable of actually caring about people. If

448
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: they were not hot, right, well, you're in luck. Actually,

449
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: that's why I have created a new hot or not

450
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: that is specifically for the victims of war crimes, so

451
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: you can tell if you need to feel bad about

452
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: a specific war crime by knowing if they were hot

453
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: or not. That's excellent. I look forward to using this service.

454
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: It's sponsored by Microsoft. Um So, Augustes was was known

455
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: as a ladies man. He's one of the only people

456
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: who wasn't already married at the start of all this thing,

457
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: and he was, but he was also he was he

458
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: was sardonic and haughty, but he also refused to lie,

459
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: and he basically just like walked around and he threw

460
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: around his charisma and charmed women and men, and and

461
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: he once spoke in front of Congress about socialism and

462
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: he just like went and he was like, yeah, we're

463
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: gonna have a revolution. And he was like, you get

464
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: this guy's number. He was like, we're we're not going

465
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: to make the revolution. We're anticipating the revolution. We are

466
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: His quote was birds of the coming storm, and it

467
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: was oh, you know, and that's good. Someone in Congress

468
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: is like, well, why do you hate the individual with

469
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: your socialism or whatever? And he's like, are you kidding me?

470
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: It's the capitalists who treat workers like they're just cogs

471
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: in the machine. Um And to quote from his final

472
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: address to the court, not to Congress, but when he's

473
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: sentenced to death. If you think that by hanging us

474
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: you can stamp out the labor movement, the movement from

475
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: which the downtrodden millions, the millions who toil and live

476
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and want in misery, the wage slaves expect salvation. If

477
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: that is your opinion, then hang us here you will

478
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: tread upon a spark. But here and there, and behind

479
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: us and in front of you and everywhere, the flames

480
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: will blaze up. It is a subterranean fire. You cannot

481
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: put it out. Holy ship, that's I know, that's that's

482
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: hot girl ship. Yeah, that's some hot girl ship. Oh

483
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: my god, did he write? Did he do his own

484
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: like writing? Is this all him or does he have

485
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, he's that's kind of his thing

486
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: is he's he's one of the the editors of these papers.

487
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: They're also like publishing their own ship a ton. These

488
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: people have been giving speeches and like writing propaganda. That's

489
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: like there their thing, you know, Which is why I

490
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: think that they're both leaders of the movement and not

491
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: is because they were actually more the propagandists who got

492
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: put on trial in this trial rather than like necessarily

493
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: to people who are organizing and like planning actions and stuff. Okay,

494
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: so Michael Schwab goes and gives his speech next. And

495
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: this guy is not as much of a talker. He's

496
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: just a quiet, thoughtful man behind a big dark beard.

497
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: He's married, he's a father of two. He's like just

498
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: a hard worker for the revolution. He's a reporter and

499
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: editor for the Arbiters a Tongue, and he ran the

500
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: w p As Library. He was just basically seen as

501
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: a very gentle. He was thirty two at the time

502
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: of the bombing. He was born in Germany with a

503
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: peasant mother and a tradesman father, and he had a

504
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: happy childhood until and this feels like a pattern. Maybe

505
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: it's just the nineteenth century. His mom died when he

506
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: was eight and his dad died when he was twelve. Well, yeah,

507
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: they made you know what, they made it a decent

508
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: chunk at time. Yeah, it's true, kid, you're gonna have

509
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: to carry yourself across that finish line. Yeah. And so

510
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: when he's like, I don't know, thirteen or something, any

511
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: apprentices to a book binder and he started to working

512
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: thirteen to seventeen hour days. Yeah. And then he joins

513
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: a book binding union and then the Social Democrat Party

514
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: and then uh, and he decides that political liberty without

515
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: economic freedom is a mocking lie. Is like his big thing. Um,

516
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: he moves to Chicago. He quickly learns that American capitalism

517
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: is no better than European which actually happens to a

518
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: lot of people. A lot of imigrants are like, oh,

519
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: land of opportunity, and they're like what, but no, this

520
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: is just as bad. I feel betrayed and shortly enough

521
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: he becomes an anarchist. In his speech is sentencing, he

522
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: said violence is one thing and anarchy another. In the

523
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: present state of society, violence is used on all sides,

524
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: and therefore we advocate the use of violence against violence,

525
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: but against violence only as a matter as a necessary

526
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: means of defense. Then you get oscar neb He was

527
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: another worker at the arbiter's a tongue. Really wasn't a

528
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: good time to be in the newspaper business, and he

529
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: was the only one who wasn't sentenced to death. He'd

530
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: been born in the US to German immigrants, and he

531
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: worked basically every kind of job from cook to tin smith.

532
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: So then he was unemployed for a while, and at

533
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: the time of his arrest he was a yeast peddler.

534
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: He I don't even know what kind of yeast, but

535
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: he would go around with the cart in the street,

536
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: just like get your yeasts for sale, used for sale, Yeah,

537
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: like I said, with your dynamite, Robert. The main thing

538
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: that he wanted people to know it is very short speech,

539
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: was that he wanted to be hanged too. His quote

540
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: is for I think it is more honorable to die

541
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: suddenly than to be killed by inches, I have a

542
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: family and children. If they know their father is dead,

543
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: they will bury him. They can go to the grave

544
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: and kneel down by the side of it, but they

545
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: can't go to the penitentiary and see their father who

546
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: was convicted for a crime that he has had nothing

547
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: to do with. Well yeah, you know, you know, hard

548
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: to argue with the logic though too. And then his

549
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: wife died while he was in prison, and he wasn't

550
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: allowed to go to our funeral. Jeez. And then we

551
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: get at alf Fisher. Adolf Fisher not a common name

552
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: anymoos to being a bad name. Yeah. Um. He edited

553
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: their Anarchist, which was the more radical paper than Arbiters

554
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: of Tongue, and he advocated less for a mass movement

555
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: and more for autonomous actions by individuals and collectives. He

556
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: was born in Germany. He was a second generation so List.

557
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: He moved to America worked as a typographer, and then

558
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: as soon as he moved to Chicago, he joined the

559
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: la Verre in the militia, and when he was arrested

560
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: he was armed. He had a presumably legally both a

561
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: revolver and a dagger, and then one cop took his

562
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: revolver out, pointed at his head. Another cop put the

563
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: dagger to his chest, and they only didn't kill him

564
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: when the lieutenant intervened because they wanted him to stand

565
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: trial instead. And in prison two of his co defendants

566
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: who didn't speak English and trusted him to translate their autobiographies.

567
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: And basically he was this like he just worked constantly

568
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: and to give money to the cause, and he was

569
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: really looking forward to the revolution. And he gave the

570
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: shortest speech of them all, which included, I was tried

571
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: here in this room for murder, and I was convicted

572
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: of anarchy. I protest against being sentenced to death because

573
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: I have not been found guilty of murder. However, if

574
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I am to die on account of being an anarchist,

575
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: on account of my love for liberty, fraternity, and equality,

576
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: I will not remonstrate it. Death is the penalty for

577
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: our love of freedom of the human race. Then I

578
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: say openly I have forfeited my life, but a murderer

579
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: I am not. I just really like all these speeches,

580
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: really really good lines. All right, Then we get to

581
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: Louis Ling. Louis Ling is a crowd pleaser. He he

582
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: was the youngest, he was twenty one when the bomb

583
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: was thrown and he had a watertight alibi, There's no

584
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: way he could have thrown the bomb. Do you know

585
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: why he couldn't have thrown the bomb? Was he making

586
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: he was? He was he was too busy at home

587
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: making bombs. Incredible, you know. And when the cops came

588
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: to arrest him, he tried to go down fighting, and

589
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: he almost killed one officer with his bare hands before

590
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: the other one like knocked him down. Unbelievable, what what

591
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: a what a what a chat? And then The New

592
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: York Times, which was completely untrustworthy of a source at

593
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: the time, especially back then, says that while he was

594
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: on the carriage on the way to jail, he basically said,

595
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: it all would have been worth it if only I've

596
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: been able to kill that police officer, which frankly he

597
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: might have said, Yeah, I I look looked based on

598
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: the man you've described, I don't think the police maybe

599
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: lied about that one. Yeah exactly. That sounds in line

600
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: with our boy. Yeah, okay, So he had he had

601
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: just shown up in the US ten months earlier before

602
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: all this ship happens. He had been born in Germany

603
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: and then he had a happy childhood until you'll be

604
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: shocked to know. Well, first, his dad was thrown out

605
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: of work for a workplace accident, and then he died

606
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, and he and his sibling and his mother

607
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: fought starvation every single day. He fled Europe to avoid

608
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the draft, and then he joined the Carpenter's Union soon

609
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: found work as an organizer. People liked him. He was

610
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: really scrupulously honest and upfront, which was basically universal among

611
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: all the Chicago anarchists, which I think fucking rules, because

612
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: if you're going to be all about something, just be honest.

613
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you go lie to avoid certain situations,

614
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: but it's it's like, it's like what it was Bob

615
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: Dylan that said that to live outside the law, a

616
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: man must be honest. I forget where that came from,

617
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, that's that's what these people are doing. Okay,

618
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: And I know you're you're wondering where Louis Ling lays

619
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: in the relative hotness of the various defendants, literally not

620
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: incapable of caring about this story emotionally until I learned, Okay, well, uh,

621
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: if he wants, you should google Louis Ling. It's two

622
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: gs and Ling and don't use the photo from Wikipedia

623
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: as the example. Find one where his hair is shorter

624
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really have a beard. He kind of

625
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: looks like Elijah Wood. Yeah, that's true. He's got a

626
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit of a like, kind of

627
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: a broader chin, but like a little bit of that

628
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood vibe his teeth zone. You could like cast

629
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood to play this guy and it would work

630
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: pretty well. I would I would love to watch that. Okay.

631
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: And in case you're wondering whether I wonder whether any

632
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: of the Haymarket folks were queer, I want to read

633
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: you this description of Louis Ling, written by William Holmes,

634
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: another anarchist in their circle. Ling was one of the

635
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: handsomest men this writer has ever met. His well shaped

636
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: head crowned with a wealth of curly chestnut hair, his

637
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: fine blue eyes, his peach and white complexion, and straight

638
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: regular features made him a fit model for a Greek god,

639
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: while his athletic form and general activity showed him to

640
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: be possessed of an abundance of physical vigor and health. Well,

641
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: that just sounds straight as hell to me, Margaret, Yeah, totally. Yeah,

642
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: And unfortunately was kind of super straight. Yeah, describing the

643
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: straightest situation in the world. Um. And to be fair,

644
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: like heterosexuality and homosexuality like didn't exist as concepts at

645
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: this point, um, and so homosexuality the word was invented

646
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: by a German dude in like the eighteen nineties. Yeah,

647
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Um, But I've got my head

648
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: canon and that's that's what matters here. But he was

649
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: also he was a sex symbol in the anarchist scene.

650
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: Like younger men adopted his haircut and his quote live

651
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: way of walking around the ballroom at all the anarchist balls. Uh.

652
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: To get called his name was like the highest compliment

653
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you could give someone. And his speech was the fieriest

654
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: of the bunch. He delivered it in German, and he

655
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: ended it with I'm not gonna do the whole thing

656
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: in German. I'm not gonna do any of it. In German.

657
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: He ended it with I repeat that I am the

658
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: enemy of the order of today, and I repeat that

659
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: with all my powers, as long as breath remains in me,

660
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I shall combat it. I declare again, frankly and openly,

661
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: that I'm in favor of using force. I have told

662
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: Captain shack, and I stand by it. If you can

663
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: innate us, we will dynamite you. You laugh, you think

664
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: you'll throw no more bombs. But let me assure you

665
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: that I die happy on the gallows. So confident am

666
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: I in the hut that the hundreds and thousands to

667
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: whom I have spoken will remember my words, and when

668
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: you should have hanged us, then mark my words, they

669
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: will do the bomb throwing in this hope. I say

670
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: to you, I despise you. I despise your order, your laws,

671
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: your force propped authority. Hang me for it. He wasn't

672
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: actually right about the everyone else doing the bomb throwing

673
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: part is kind of for better or worse. I'm not

674
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: actually sure one way or the other. But now we

675
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: get George Engel, who have a tattoo of on my arm.

676
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the tattoo even though no one

677
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: else can see it. So you're saying you really really

678
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: don't like this person. Yeah, this is definitely my least

679
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: favorite person, this stick figure drawn on my arm. But

680
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: the tattoo I have of Roger Stone, Yeah, exactly, Jesus,

681
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: that's cute. Okay, So George Engle is the oldest of

682
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: them all much like Robert's Roger Stone and he's about

683
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: fifty years old and he owns a toy shop with

684
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: his wife, and he works for the anarchist And he

685
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: was he was born in Germany. Will be shocked to

686
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: notice he was orphaned young, oh whoa, And he was

687
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: taken in by a painter apprenticed him. He came to

688
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: the US, he found the US justice. Back at his Germany,

689
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: he first joined the Socialists, but he grew disillusioned by

690
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: all their politicking, the maneuvering, the opportunism, the rigged election,

691
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: the compromise of principle, So he joined the anarchists. And

692
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't a speaker or a writer. He was just

693
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: this guy who supported the movement with absolute sincerity. But

694
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: he was also one of the most radical in his

695
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: beliefs of the whole bunch. Like he'd probably the night

696
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: before the Haymarket rally, he'd probably been meeting in a

697
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: bar with some other of the more radical people like

698
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: not Parsons and Species and all those to figure out

699
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: how with the like two thousand armed men they had

700
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: that if they needed to, they could take the city,

701
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: like which places they would raid to get more guns?

702
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: And ship Um and which you know you've just watched

703
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: everyone get shot in the middle of the Big Uprising.

704
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: He also hated Schwab and Species because they weren't radical enough,

705
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: and he hadn't been on speaking terms with Species, and

706
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: I just I I kind of love hate the idea

707
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: that you have to like go face the death penalty

708
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: with people you have like really serious scene drama with.

709
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean I would I would hope he would be

710
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: like at that point, like, well, okay, maybe we had

711
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: to agreements before, but clearly we're all committed to the

712
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: same degree now that we're about to get executed, Like,

713
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I can't really hit them for not being committed enough

714
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: as we're all about to die together, right, I think

715
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: I think so. I think he like didn't like he

716
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like super trust them, but he's like, yeah, okay, like, yeah,

717
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: we're all about to die together, so I probably shouldn't

718
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: fetch too much um. When they arrested him, they just

719
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: literally showed up at his house and disappeared him and

720
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: his family didn't know what happened to him for days

721
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: until his daughter went to the jail and then heard

722
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: him like singing distantly down the cell block. And in

723
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: his final address to court, he said, we see from

724
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: the history of this country that the first colonists won

725
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: their liberty only through force, that through forced slavery was abolished.

726
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: And just as the man who agitated against slavery in

727
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: this country had to ascend the gallows, so also must we.

728
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: He who speaks for the working men today must hang.

729
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: And then Samuel Fielden, this is the guy who couldn't

730
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: get a break, got shot in the knee, spoke last

731
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: the rally. He wasn't German, which is a big break

732
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: from everyone else. He was born a parents survived to

733
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: see him hit the right old age of eleven. I

734
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: think so. Actually, Um, he's kind of the kind of

735
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: comes out this whole thing the winner, as much as

736
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: you can win. This particularly is like a wass, It's

737
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: like a squid games thing, and he wins. Um. He's

738
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: born a poor weaver in England, Like he starts working

739
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: at the age of eight, So I feel like you

740
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: can say you were born a weaver at that point,

741
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: and he works in the cotton mills that Karl Marx

742
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: and George Angle based their whole analysis of how the

743
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: how shitty the English working class have it like on

744
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: the cotton mills in his town. Um. And he cuts

745
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: his political teeth in England, speaking on behalf of the

746
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Union in the States and against slavery. Then he moves

747
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: to the US and he takes whatever work he can,

748
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: and he's like a Methodist traveling preacher, and he travels

749
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the South until and becomes dismayed by the conditions of

750
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: black folks. Uh there, Um, he's white. He settled in

751
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: Chicago and then he started working twelve to fourteen hour

752
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: days as a stone cutter. And then he found himself

753
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: as a speaker for the anarchists again, kind of like

754
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: the c list one. And he's the treasurer for the

755
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: i w p A. And when he speaks in the

756
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: courtroom apparently it actually he kind of pulls it off. Actually,

757
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: uh a list speaker today. Um. It brings the entire

758
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: courtroom to tears, and the prosecutor laughs and says, it's

759
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: a good thing the jury hadn't been here to hear

760
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: this speech before they made their verdict. Jesus, what a goblin. Yeah,

761
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: he really is in his speech field and says, we

762
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: feel satisfied that we have not lived in this world

763
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: for nothing, that we have done some good for our

764
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: fellow man, and done what we believe to be in

765
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: the interest of humanity and for the furtherance of justice.

766
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: If my life is to be taken for advocating the

767
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: principles of socialism and anarchy, as I have understood them

768
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: and honestly believe them in the interest of humanity, I

769
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: say to you that I gladly give it up, and

770
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: the price is very small for the result that has gained.

771
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: I will now read the entire speech of Albert Parsons. No,

772
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Albert Parsons goes up. He's last. He

773
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: speaks for eight hours over two days. Uh yeah, it

774
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of just loses his way and rambles a lot

775
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: like like vamping a bit. Yeah, and I get the

776
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: impression that this whole ordeal actually breaks him harder than

777
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: it breaks the other folks, or he breaks in a

778
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: different way maybe. And he has very few like Baller

779
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: lines that are worth repeating. But near the end he said,

780
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: I have nothing, not even now to regret. Well, speaking

781
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: of regrets, here the ads that support this show. Okay,

782
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: So the appeals go on for over a year, they

783
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: reach all the way to the Supreme Court, who decides

784
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: against the anarchists, and Lucy Parsons and a bunch of

785
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: the other people from the id w p A spend

786
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: the whole time traveling the country giving talks about the

787
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: trial and the defendants. And this is happening in the

788
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: middle of all this hysteria, right, Lucy's arrested like multiple

789
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: times over the course of this, and her events are

790
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: shut down everywhere she goes, but it's still largely successful.

791
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: The moment of panic recedes, and then popular opinions starts

792
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: to shift back towards the defendants and the rest of

793
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the labor movement. It manages to find its spying again.

794
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: At the beginning, the labor movements like whoa, we don't

795
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: know these guys, even though like they were all involved

796
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: in all levels of the labor movement, And then eventually

797
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: the labor movements like okay, okay, maybe we know these guys.

798
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: And it led to this peak in and people paying

799
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: attention to what's going on, and people becoming anarchists. The

800
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: the Arbiters a tongue. That newspaper goes from four thousand

801
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: subscribers to ten thousand as more and more people see

802
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of the government and adopt socialist and anarchist views,

803
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: and there's rallies across the country in the world, and

804
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: and then kind of again ironically are fittingly some of

805
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: the most art and supporters at this time end up

806
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: being people who hate their politics, but hate even more

807
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: so to see the US legal system be like just

808
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: made a mockery of by this trial. And now the

809
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: prisoners are all celebrities. They're they're doomed celebrities. But I

810
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: will tell you about what August Species gets up to

811
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: while he's a celebrity, because he couldn't be fun to

812
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: get married before. But he finally marries once he's in jail. Yeah,

813
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: and he marries a woman he had never met who

814
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: just started coming to the trial. And she's an heiress,

815
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Nina Nina van Zandt is an heiress to a fortune

816
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: and as a member of high society. And this is

817
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: like crazy scandalous through all the papers and apparently some

818
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: of the other defendants are like, don't do this, this

819
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: might affect the case or whatever, and he's like, no,

820
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm marrying this lady. Yeah, but he wasn't allowed to

821
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: attend his own wedding, so his brother, the one who

822
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: got shot in the groin defending him is a stand

823
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: in as a proxy for the wedding. Uh. And they

824
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: they basically got married so that she could keep visiting

825
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: him in jail. And I actually think these were not

826
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: conjugal visits. I think that they never got to do

827
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: more than once kissed through the bars in a very

828
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: dramatic and romantic way. I know. She's she's kind of interesting.

829
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: She gives up like a four hundred thousand dollar inheritance,

830
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: which because her family is piste off about this, which

831
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: is twelve million dollars today, Um Jesus, and she wow.

832
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: So it's definitely not like poverty tourism. She actually like

833
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: makes it sacrifice. She moves to poverty. That's she's like,

834
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: I like this town. And she she keeps her name

835
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: The Common People's song, Yeah exactly. I love that song.

836
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: It's a really good bitter song. To listen to the song. Um, yeah,

837
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: so so because Nina Species keep Now. Now, Nina Species

838
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: keeps her name even after her husband dies, and she

839
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: even like gets remarried and then divorced, and then she

840
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: goes back to the name Species because she's now committed.

841
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: I presume anarchist and she lives in poverty. She ends

842
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: up an old lady who collects stray cats and dogs,

843
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and she marches in labor demonstrations and she's still alive today. No,

844
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: but that would rule, like if you got to like,

845
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. So the Supreme Court says, no,

846
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: funk these guys. So then they moved to a strategy

847
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: of trying to get the governor to give them clemency

848
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: and commute their sentences to life in prison. And they

849
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: get thousands of letters from support from all walks of life,

850
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: radicals and moderates, and there's still probably more Americans who

851
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: hate them, but it's like, well, this is something that's

852
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: totally unfamiliar to modern society. Society was very polarized by this,

853
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of the moderates instead to end up

854
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: taking radical positions on one side or another. The son

855
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: of John Brown writes them a letter and sends them

856
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: a fruit basket, and he he says, basically, I support you,

857
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: and my my father would have supported you, and that

858
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: had he had the chance, John Brown would have been

859
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: a socialist too, since what he believed in was the

860
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: quote community Plan of cooperative industry. The fruit basket is

861
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: a nice touch. The first basket is a nice touch.

862
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: I hope that they were. Like there's always that debate

863
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: about like what John Brown have been like problematic today

864
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: because he was, you know, he was also a religious

865
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: extremist totally, which is the thing that can go a

866
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: couple of ways. But no, I think his kids probably right.

867
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: I think he I think being on the right side

868
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: of slavery to that extent at that time means he

869
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: probably would have been on the right side of a

870
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, and you know who who would

871
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: know better than the kid whose name John Brown Jr.

872
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: You know, m um. And in the end, only three

873
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: of the but okay, so they do all of this

874
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: work to get clemency and only three of them end

875
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: up actually writing the government for clemency. Because there's a

876
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: big problem. To write the governor for clemency. You have

877
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: to say you're sorry. Oh they are not sorry, um so,

878
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: so Fielding and Schwab are like or whatever, We're sorry,

879
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Hey man, could you not kill us? And then Spees

880
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: says I'm sorry too, But then Spies freaks out, has

881
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: this moment of like everyone gets calls him a sell

882
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: out and he's like, no, no, I take it back,

883
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: and he writes the governor's second letter and he's like,

884
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: now I'm just kidding. Not only am I not sorry,

885
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: but you should kill only me and leave, like leave

886
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: everyone else. Go. Um, that's a man who values values

887
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: The Cloud original Cloud Chaser August Species Yeah, okay, and

888
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: then I mean it's not fun, but honestly, anything you

889
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: do in that situation is fine. Um. I agree. Would

890
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: never judge anybody for being like, well, I will say

891
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to not get murdered. Um. Fine. At the

892
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: same time, I also respect heavily anyone who would be like,

893
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: funk that ship. I ain't sorry. Yeah, like you can

894
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: hang my ass. Parsons ended up actually the most torn

895
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: because he's the one who's like really, like, you know,

896
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: he's kind of broken at this point, but he's a

897
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: true believer, right, and and he's basically like asking all

898
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: his friends for advice. He's like, what do I do?

899
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: What do I do? And then one of his friends,

900
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: this guy named dire Lum's like, honey, Albert, what you

901
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: should do is die. And Albert's like, thank you. You're

902
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the only one willing to tell me that. Thank you.

903
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: I know, So he decides to die. Um, and so

904
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: he writes an open letter to the governor, and his

905
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: open letter says, look, if I'm innocent, let me go,

906
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: and if I'm guilty, kill me. So the governor grants

907
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: clemency at like the final hour to field In and

908
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: Schwab and the five who refused to say they're sorry, Uh,

909
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: We're to die. And now I'm going to tell you

910
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: who threw the fucking bomb. Yeah, okay, because the anonymous

911
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: bomber comes back into play at this point. Uh, we

912
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but historian Paul Average has done

913
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: more work than anyone who I actually trust about this.

914
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: And and Albert Parsons was convinced a cop did it,

915
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: was like a Pinkerton did it. He's like, oh, it's

916
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: a false flag attack. But basically, probably while all this

917
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: is happening, the bomber was probably this guy named George

918
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: Schwab who was completely unrelated to Michael Schwab, and he

919
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: fox off to New York after the bomb is thrown.

920
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: And then when they're sentenced to die and everything, like

921
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court thing fails and all this ship, he's like, a, hey,

922
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: should I come forward? Will that save these people's lives?

923
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: If I say I'm the one who did it, will

924
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: they be let go? And they all kind of think

925
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: about it. And when I say they all not, everyone,

926
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: like the defendants don't know this except the two autonomous

927
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: ones who are more not actually lewis Ling, but the

928
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: two autonomous ones who ran Dair anarchist. They end up

929
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: knowing about it. And they finally they sit down and

930
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: they're like, no, if you come forward, you're just going

931
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: to die too. It's just one more victim of capitalism

932
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: if you come forward. So the bombers like a right,

933
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: and he does not come forward. That's a lot to

934
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: live with. And then louis Ling not only did he

935
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: not write for clemency, he actually had his name taken

936
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: off the Supreme Court case because he was he was,

937
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm done with capitalist justice. I have nothing to do

938
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: with any of this. Wow. So a week before the execution,

939
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: guards find bombs in his cell, his four bombs, and

940
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: I always thought that they were there to like affect

941
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: a prison prison break, but apparently the fuses were like

942
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: a set a second or two long, so they were

943
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: almost certainly there so he could kill himself. But they

944
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: find the bombs, so he doesn't get to kill himself

945
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: in a nice, clean, exploding way. And instead, the day

946
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: before the execution, Louis Ling has somehow got ahold of

947
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: a blasting cap. There's a lot of different claims about

948
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: how he got it there. He puts it in his

949
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: mouth and he blows himself up, takes his own life.

950
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: But because it's only a blasting cap, it takes six

951
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: hours for him to bleed to death. Jesus. And and

952
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: since this is his exit from from history, I'll say

953
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: that a few days before he died, his mother and

954
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: aunt had had written him letters, and his mother wrote,

955
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: I will be as proud of you after your death

956
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: as I have been during your life, and his aunt wrote,

957
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: whatever happens, even the worst, show no weakness before those wretches. Um.

958
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: So that supportive family, that's good. The one person whose

959
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: family wasn't dead, I know exactly, m hmm. And then

960
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: the night before the execution, all the condemned men they're

961
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: sitting around, they're smoking cigars, and they're talking with jailer's

962
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: apparently somehow very friendly. Parsons keeps like singing and reciting

963
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: poetry every chance he gets I'm pretty sure Parsons has

964
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: lost his mind, which I do not blame him at all.

965
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: I am searching entirely lose my mind in this in

966
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: this environment. I've lost my mind on like five hour

967
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: long flights before. Yeah. Yeah, George Engle my my favorite.

968
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: He talks with the priest who comes to offer him

969
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: his last rites. And I'm going to say quote what

970
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: he said to the priest in the shadow of the gallows.

971
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: As I stand, I have done nothing wrong. I have

972
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: not done everything right during my life, but I have

973
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: endeavored to live so that I need not fear to die.

974
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Monopoly has crushed competition, and the poor man has no show.

975
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: But the revolution will surely come and the working men

976
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: will get his rights. Socialism and Christianity can walk hand

977
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: in hand together as brothers, for both are laboring in

978
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: the interests of the amelioration of mankind. I have no

979
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: religion but to wrong no man and to do good

980
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: to everybody. And I just it's a cool guy. He's

981
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: being nice to the priest that he didn't even call for.

982
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: He like, as the priest is leaving, He's like, look, hey,

983
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: I know that that was weird, but I didn't even

984
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: call for you, okay, the execution. On the morning of

985
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: the execution, there's three cops in reguarding the prison like

986
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: it's a fortress, and there's once again gatling guns laying

987
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: in wait. And and for once, the media is right.

988
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: The media is on about an army of anarchists is

989
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: going to descend on the place and free them all.

990
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: But actually the anarchists had come up with a plan

991
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: like that, and actually it was the condemned men who

992
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: are like guys, is over. It's fine, let us just

993
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: get this over with, um. And so that's why there's

994
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: no massive last minute jailbreak. Lucy Parson shows up to

995
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: see her husband. She has her two kids in tow,

996
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: and an officer tries to stop her. She says, you're

997
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to fucking kill me, and then she just

998
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: like pushes her way through the police line. Um. However,

999
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: they then arrest her, strip her naked, leave her in

1000
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: a cell with her kids until after her her husband

1001
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: was hanged Jesus with a noose around their neck. Each

1002
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: man shouts their last words. Spies says, there will come

1003
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: a time when our silence will be more powerful than

1004
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: the voices you strangle today. Angle shouts in German hawk

1005
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: the anarchy or her raw for anarchy. Fisher shouts also

1006
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: in German her rafer anarchy, this is the happiest day

1007
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: of my life. And then Parsons he says, I feel

1008
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: bad making fun of him right now, but I'm just

1009
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'll just quote him and who make

1010
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: fun of himself. I'm sorry, Parsons, you were a great guy.

1011
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: Parsons says, will I be allowed to speak? O, men

1012
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: of America, let me speak, Sheriff Matson. Let the voice

1013
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: of the people be heard. Oh and then the trap

1014
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: opens and the hanging was done wrong, and they took long,

1015
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: like they took minutes to strangle. I think it took

1016
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: seven minutes for the last one to die. Sure that

1017
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: was an accident, Yeah, I'm sure. You know, classic whoops

1018
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: have been doing this my whole life, and I just

1019
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: somehow slipped up and didn't break their necks. Um. Their

1020
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: funeral march had twenty participants and two hundred thousand onlookers.

1021
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: And again I actually should have looked up the population

1022
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: in Chicago at the time, but two people, it's a

1023
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of people. Yeah, it's the largest funeral that had

1024
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: ever been seen in Chicago and and basically unions and

1025
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: radicals across the world commemorate their deaths and still do

1026
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: on May one, and which is the workers holiday, like

1027
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: I said at the top, in every country of the

1028
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: world except the US, where they can't handle the radical stuff. Um. Yeah.

1029
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: But but to close out the rest of our characters,

1030
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: you want to know what happened to Captain Blackjack Bonfield, right,

1031
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: the cop who charged the crowd. Well, yes, he was

1032
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: caught taking bribes and among the stolen goods he was

1033
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: storing was the personal effects of Louis Ling. Everyone had

1034
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: been like, hey, where's Louis link stuff, and the cops like,

1035
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. And it's because this dude had stolen it.

1036
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: He gets fired, which is actually that might be a

1037
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: sign of the times having changed in a bad way.

1038
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: He actually gets fired for this, and um, and that's

1039
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: actually the impetus to get started getting the part and

1040
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: pushed forward. Is there, Like, look, the main guy for

1041
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: the prosecution was a piece of ship, corrupt cop and

1042
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: and they get pardoned a progress It is elected governor

1043
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: of Illinois in and he once again he's in. He

1044
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: tanks his entire career. He it costs him the re election,

1045
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: but he pardons the remaining He frees the remaining three

1046
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: who are still in prison, and he posthumously pardons the

1047
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: five who died. Um And he never managed to get

1048
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: back into office after doing that, but he actually cared

1049
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: about justice. Good for him. Yeah, another another moderate who

1050
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: made a sacrifice for these people. That is nice to

1051
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: see a couple of times, in addition to all of

1052
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: the ones who stood by and did nothing. But yeah, yeah, Okay.

1053
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Then there's the fun of the cops statue. In eight nine,

1054
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: the police put up a statue in Haymarket Square in

1055
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: honor of the fallen officer, the only one who would

1056
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: actually that they oh, the one who didn't get killed

1057
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: by other copy Yeah, exactly. For some reason, they didn't

1058
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: do one of all the people have been murdered by officers,

1059
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: and that it wasn't a picture of dual wielding and

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00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: blackjack shooting down other cops. A monument to the cops

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00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: killed by other cops. It's called critical support the monument. Yeah,

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: all right, So the model for this cop, they don't

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: use the actual dead cop as the model. They take

1064
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: a living cop, a guy named Birmingham and he's crooked,

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00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: as ship was the Dead Cop ugly where they're just

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00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: like that guy's not sexy enough for a statue. Yeah,

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00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: I gotta assume um. So they pick a crooked cop

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: who then gets fired for fencing stolen goods. Incredible, an

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00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: amazing monument. And then in three someone steals the crest

1070
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: of the city off the statue in a street car driver,

1071
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: probably on purpose, jumps the tracks with the street car

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00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: and plows down the statue. It gets moved to a

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00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: place called Union Park. On May four, it is defaced

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: with black paint. The next year, the Weatherman, who are

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: the radical fact part of a radical faction, the anti

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00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: war movement, they just fucking blow up the statue. Ah,

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00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: nice to hear they got one of those bombs, right, Well,

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00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: they get two of them, right because then yeah, they

1079
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: got a couple, right, Well, they get at least to them,

1080
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: right Because that they rebuilt the statue. And then a

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: year later the weather men blow it up again. Excellent,

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00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: And then it was rebuilt once more, and now it's

1083
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: in the lobby of the Chicago Police headquarters where every

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00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: day every cop can see a statue of a crooked

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: cop m and and it this didn't win another cop statue,

1086
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: but Haymarket, it didn't win them the work eight hour

1087
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: work day. But as far as I can tell, it

1088
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: didn't actually delay it as much as sometimes people say.

1089
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: The labor movement in the US and especially worldwide actually

1090
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: grew and eventually with this and basically, one by one,

1091
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: various trades and unions one better hours by seven, the

1092
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Fair Labor Standards Act finally won it for more or

1093
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: less everyone Nationwide's anarchism in Chicago kind of faded after

1094
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: the trial, but anarchism worldwide grew, and basically everywhere you

1095
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: would go across the world, in any kind of labor hall,

1096
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: you would see the Haymarket martyrs, you see pictures of them.

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00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: It leaves me with this really complicated takeaway, right, because

1098
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: their rhetoric of violence is kind of what got them

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: into this mess on some level. Yes, and certainly all

1100
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: of the dynamite had an impact on all of the dynamite,

1101
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: but it's really hard to say whether the end result

1102
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: was positive or negative for the labor movement, for anarchism,

1103
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: for any of these things. It's like it's it's almost

1104
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: impossible to parse out. And then and one of the

1105
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: things that I'm left thinking about with this is that

1106
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: like a lot of the stories of Haymarket that you'll

1107
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: read in sort of more mainstream papers will be like, oh,

1108
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: there was this good protest movement and some anarchists came

1109
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: and sucked it all up by throwing a bomb, and

1110
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: and that leaves out the fact that it was the

1111
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: anarchist who organized not the whole thing, but a huge

1112
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: chunk of it in the first place, and certainly the

1113
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: thing that got sucked up by I'm on throwing a bomb.

1114
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: And and I feel like that happens a lot, is

1115
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: that people like radical people end up organizing this, and

1116
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: then that that work has forgotten about. And then my

1117
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: final note is that Lucy Parsons, who I opened the

1118
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: story up with, she she stayed involved her entire life,

1119
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: and she ended up helping form the union the Industrial

1120
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: Workers of the World, who probably wanted to get thrown episode,

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: and she used the lessons of Haymarket to teach young

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: radicals in the twenties. The Chicago Police Department declared that

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: she was quote more dangerous than a thousand rioters. And

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: that feels like something to aspire to. Yeah, yep, So

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: Robert how are you feeling about Haymarket. I mean bad,

1126
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't I mean on on the whole bad time.

1127
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: I feel good that a lot of people came around

1128
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: to the fact that it was bullshit went in terms

1129
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: of talking about the long term value of something like this,

1130
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: It's not bad that the kind of inherent tradictions and

1131
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: and and fast illness of the system and how um

1132
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: it exists primarily not to achieved justice but to do

1133
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: violence against people who threatened power like that. That that's

1134
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: not bad. Like it's useful that that was done. UM.

1135
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how much comfort that was for the

1136
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: families of the deceased, but it seems like it was

1137
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: some comfort for most of the deceased. UM. And May

1138
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: Day is a good holiday. It is a good holiday.

1139
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Dare say, cool people who did cool stuff? I hope. So, yeah,

1140
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty cool, you know. I went to my

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: favorite May Day that I've I've been to was UM

1142
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: in Berlin. And in Berlin, one of the things they

1143
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: do on May Days is all of the bars kind

1144
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: of like move out into the streets. UM, Like they'll

1145
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: just set up like kiosks and stuff with their beer

1146
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: and for one night it's allowed to just like throw

1147
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: your bottles everywhere. So there's just like snow drifts of

1148
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: shattered glass all over the streets and it's fine. Apparently

1149
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: this one night you can break glass all all you want,

1150
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: all over the damn place. And I had this very

1151
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: fun moment of just like shattering god knows how many

1152
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: brea bottles over the street. And then at one of

1153
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: the s Bahn stations, my friend like stopped to piss

1154
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: in like a corner. And when you get immediately ticketed

1155
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: by the jermy, that's just taking it too far. There's

1156
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: kids hooking bottles at the street side just like all right,

1157
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: but this isn't okay. Yeah, we have laws here, we

1158
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: have rules here. We have one less rule tonight, but

1159
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: we have rules here. Um. Anyway, thank you, Margaret. This

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: has been a hoot. Yeah, thanks for coming on. And

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01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: dare I say a holler? No, that's too much. Do

1162
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: you have anything you want to plug? Robert Evans? Never

1163
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: never heard of you, Robert Evans, you have anything? I've

1164
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: certainly never heard of me. Do you host any podcasts?

1165
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: I do the Dynamite Cast, where we talk about the

1166
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: health benefits of a dynamite enriched diet, which are none

1167
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: there are well, actually it would probably help with certain

1168
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: heart conditions, right, because nitroglycerin is literally used in one

1169
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: form as a heart medication. So I guess there are

1170
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: some ways that ingesting dynamite might potentially help you. But

1171
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: I doubt it would. I doubt it would work if

1172
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: you just were to take the form used as an

1173
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: explosive as a heart medication. But I don't actually know

1174
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: you're using it wrong. I don't know, Like, Okay, have

1175
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: you read a headache? Okay, now if you don't want

1176
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: to have a headache, you could explode your entire body. Well,

1177
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: now that's that's you see, This is this is you're

1178
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: you're really getting onto the subject of my new self

1179
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: help book, The Explosion Driven Life. So so so from

1180
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: what I got from what Robert just said, he was saying,

1181
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: listen to it could happen here. Uh and and by

1182
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: his book After the Revolution, and and check out my

1183
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: new book The four Dynamite Work Week and the four

1184
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: Dynamite Body both go great together, and we'll teach you

1185
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: how to change your life with just four sticks of dynamite. Amazing, Margaret,

1186
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? People can follow me on

1187
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: the internet on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy and on

1188
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: Instagram at Margaret Killjoy who utally do Well. We'll be

1189
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: back next week on Monday with an allegedly allegedly with

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: another cool person who may have done in fact something cool,

1191
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: with lots of caveats. As always, cool people are coming up.

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01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,200
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1193
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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media, but more podcasts and cool Zone Media.

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