Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't fall. When the summer, I been getting
Speaker 1: fly all my life, all my life, Frank fault. When
Speaker 1: the summer, I been getting back. Another amount of the
Speaker 1: episode of the Club for twenty. I'm your host. My
Speaker 1: name DJ Wells. To my father left, I got my
Speaker 1: brother be here to the right, my dog Jeff t.
Speaker 1: We got a special guests with it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, first time visitor. I gotta go ahead. Let
Speaker 1: take thought the intro out to the special man to
Speaker 1: my left for sure. Got a teammate of mind a
Speaker 1: Georgia legend, Atlanta legend, talk about it, slam dunk champion,
Speaker 1: defensive player, should have been of the Year, but made
Speaker 1: All Defensive Team, Oak Hill Legend, Damn list goes on
Speaker 1: Atlanta legend. All that my dog Josh Smith to the pot.
Speaker 1: Want to do my dog for sure? Thanks for having
Speaker 1: me we have You know what I'm saying. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you sliding through on us before we get into the episode.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We gotta start off with
Speaker 1: a fraud ask question. You know what I'm saying. That's
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Speaker 1: this is where you can put your name with all
Speaker 1: these tequila balls, a little bit of do say you
Speaker 1: want to fuck with us? This is the time where
Speaker 1: you can get your ship right before we get started.
Speaker 1: But back to the question and business, honestly kind of
Speaker 1: for both of you. But I'm gonna start with you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, y'all both was in the league,
Speaker 1: and y'all was in the league with the times, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more physical than this today. If
Speaker 1: it was one person in the league, you could have
Speaker 1: swung on who would you have pick? Like hands free
Speaker 1: hockey style, ain't no suspensions. Its got to the present box.
Speaker 1: Who was one motherfucker? I got onto your skin? You
Speaker 1: was just like I got a uper cup for him
Speaker 1: out of the gate. Mh. Tough one. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. Who you? Who was? I know? I know who?
Speaker 1: I want to say For Jeff Case, I ain't want
Speaker 1: to nobody. I know you wanted to push I pushed Ruby,
Speaker 1: all right, Get that's my favorite Jeff clipp of all time.
Speaker 1: I cool, but that was it? Man smooth what smooth?
Speaker 1: Probably wanted to punch a coach and we can ask
Speaker 1: that questions. Probably everybody in the Grand coach, the town
Speaker 1: Boys referees. He swinging on Towboys. Admit the hell for that,
Speaker 1: bron had us off the way I may, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Slide through on a thirteen
Speaker 1: year vet. You know what I'm saying. We gotta start
Speaker 1: from the beginning, though, like what got you into even
Speaker 1: playing basketball? Like what was your origin with that? Somebody
Speaker 1: put the ball of your heads, you usually start working
Speaker 1: with it, for sure. My dad, you know, he was
Speaker 1: a he was a hood legend back in Atlanta. He
Speaker 1: played for Being Hill back in the day and he
Speaker 1: played for the men's league and me growing up watching
Speaker 1: him play, admiring his game, and uh, that's what made
Speaker 1: That's what That's where I grew to love it. And
Speaker 1: then you know, once I was able to kind of
Speaker 1: get on the court, it was it was kind of
Speaker 1: like it was took off from there when I was
Speaker 1: like eleven years old. How Tad was you when he
Speaker 1: was eleven? Like did you catch a gross per? Later?
Speaker 1: You was always you know saying, Hella more side and
Speaker 1: everybody else maybe, Like I think my biggest gross per
Speaker 1: was my finth grade year. Going in my ninth grade year,
Speaker 1: I was like five teen and I went to six
Speaker 1: to five. Damn. Yeah, that that summer, my knees was hurting.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the parents who had to feed you man,
Speaker 1: some shoes, everything closed. It was crazy. That's Athos. He
Speaker 1: was a spurt. Yeah, that's tough. What what year did
Speaker 1: you join the Celtics? When I was fourteen? Fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: That's when Medwhite, Dwight Howard and Randolph Morris, that's when
Speaker 1: we came together. So y'all was the first three to
Speaker 1: get it going. That's was that was like the foundation
Speaker 1: of the team. Okay, and then you know, we had
Speaker 1: we had guards that that that came and left. But
Speaker 1: that was that was like for the most part, that
Speaker 1: was the team that kind of like that was the
Speaker 1: foundation of the team. Yeah. I always hear about your
Speaker 1: oh three team. It was you, Randolph the White, Mike Mercer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Mike, marand Rush. Now what would you damn
Speaker 1: would you compare, well, not really compare who would you take?
Speaker 1: Would you take that oh three Atlanta Celtics team or
Speaker 1: that uh oh three Okaill squad because you'll have some
Speaker 1: hitters who okay Rondo, Oh yeah, that's my best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my best friend. So man, that's crazy Galley. We
Speaker 1: won big time. What was Adidas AU Nationals back then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that summer and then we won a national title when
Speaker 1: I went to Okill, Okay, So who was all on
Speaker 1: your Okill squad? Man? It was Casey Rivers. Yeah, went
Speaker 1: to Cleon right. Yeah. Yeah, he can shoot though, but
Speaker 1: he was our shooter. We had a guy named Brian Johnson.
Speaker 1: He it was he had. His story was sad because
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we played the whole season and
Speaker 1: doing layup line. He go out for a dunk, tears
Speaker 1: a cl and the lay up and then he kind
Speaker 1: of had like knee problems throughout. Then got named day
Speaker 1: Shane Wright. Uh, Aaron came out the bench. We had
Speaker 1: we had a we had a we had a decent
Speaker 1: We had a good team. But the OKI team was
Speaker 1: probably I mean, I mean that Celtic team. Let's get
Speaker 1: let's get to the real talk about this debate around
Speaker 1: here and that we're just gonna keep it real. We
Speaker 1: got a team that's legendre we got we got this.
Speaker 1: It's Greg Josh McRoberts, the kan Cooked, Eric Gordon, Mike Conlin.
Speaker 1: They said that team could beat your Celtics team. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, damn, Because I'm gonna tell you why
Speaker 1: you said Greg Olden right, who was the four brothers?
Speaker 1: He won to smoke with you anyway, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: afford though three. So you got you gotta deal with
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard, Greg, Greg old and gotta deal with Dwhite.
Speaker 1: D White was more agile, He's more athletic. I think
Speaker 1: before gregt who like, think about it, think about the
Speaker 1: White's crazy. Think about when you think about before Greg
Speaker 1: got hurt, what he was doing in the league, right,
Speaker 1: and think about before the White got hurt what he
Speaker 1: was doing was see what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: the athleticism, you know what I'm saying. Like he was
Speaker 1: killing he was killing Orlando to the finals. No, you know,
Speaker 1: we know they had the So the White wins a battle?
Speaker 1: Who got who you got for Randolph and John? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he winned like that in high school.
Speaker 1: I think Greg was different. High school he was the
Speaker 1: White was number what they both was number one of
Speaker 1: the class. We can wash them. So what about let's
Speaker 1: go Josh Man Grobbers and Randolph. Josh was number one
Speaker 1: in his class. He was Randolph was so hold on
Speaker 1: so uh Josh and Greg? So who's the younger? Greg's younger?
Speaker 1: Greg would have got boned. Dog would have boned him
Speaker 1: a senior. The white dog. He was nasty. He was nasty.
Speaker 1: You cussing my one good time? Dog, it's over with,
Speaker 1: It's game over. He dropped step and throwing elbows, dunking, trashing,
Speaker 1: blocking shots. Then, Bro, the Rando was playing kind of
Speaker 1: like a Tim Duncan too, Like Tim Duncan is more
Speaker 1: from this, more from this big you know, you know,
Speaker 1: no disrespect you know to Josh. Were from the South.
Speaker 1: Dog you know what I mean. We you know, we go,
Speaker 1: we go. We're gonna dog just because he the We're going, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gonna try. You know what I'm saying. It is
Speaker 1: like I got a friend. I got a friend that
Speaker 1: just moved from Portland to to Atlanta and uh one
Speaker 1: of my good friends. I met him when I was
Speaker 1: playing with Houston and and he's a white dude. His
Speaker 1: son is a thirteen like my son. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: looked out like you in the South. Now, Bro, they
Speaker 1: gonna see you, and they're gonna they're gonna like food
Speaker 1: and flat, flat, flat. They don't care. They could be average,
Speaker 1: but they gonna they gonna attack you. He's like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: like thinking it's just a game and talking. We get
Speaker 1: we get out there and they man, they ad him. Everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come over here, and that's figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you know, figure out the
Speaker 1: way of life down here. You know, we can see
Speaker 1: what's going on. I got I got y'all. I don't
Speaker 1: I got y'all, but I swear to god, that motherfucker
Speaker 1: Josh McRoberts wasn't an issue. Yeah, it was sixteen. He
Speaker 1: was active seven. He was doing that bitch off the
Speaker 1: glass he was putting. He was a number one player
Speaker 1: Nigga with Jerald Green and that old five class. So
Speaker 1: and then I mean, of course you but three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we got we we moved because everybody can move.
Speaker 1: It was damn near off. That front court is retarded easy.
Speaker 1: We had like a Cliff Clint Scale. He was our
Speaker 1: point guard from New York, but he was more so
Speaker 1: like get everybody in the in the floor, floor the things.
Speaker 1: And he was more scrappy from New York, so he
Speaker 1: mightn't have his way with him, he would have gave
Speaker 1: him fist. As far as Michael Mike defensively, he would
Speaker 1: have probably just got got up under him. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying like as far as like he probably would have
Speaker 1: outscored him, because that's that wasn't his that wasn't his job.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all had too much going on.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. This is these niggas said
Speaker 1: vores creating, Oh yeah, creating then I'm sorry, I would
Speaker 1: get your name right. He was nasty. He was six
Speaker 1: four six five. Yeah, I played against the guard b
Speaker 1: they was deep. Did rind him every round with y'all? No, No,
Speaker 1: we never have been cheating. It was we got Brandon
Speaker 1: Rush for a couple. They was hating on this. You
Speaker 1: can't have him played with but he was so sted
Speaker 1: about that one. But yeah, that was good because I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't even know Mike Mercer played with y'all.
Speaker 1: I thought he always just played with the Georgia Stars
Speaker 1: with Lou Yeah, I got him, got him like the
Speaker 1: last year he was. He was younger than that, so
Speaker 1: that helped him out. Though they helped him out big,
Speaker 1: though they put him on a different stage. I think
Speaker 1: he went he went to Georgia, Yep, he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's he's a good he's a good dude though.
Speaker 1: I still talk. Shout to Mike. He went to the US.
Speaker 1: It's hard, yeah, man, I don't know, man, AJ would
Speaker 1: have been tough to close game though. It would have
Speaker 1: been a close game. Eric's going. I think we were
Speaker 1: probably different. It was. I think we would probably probably
Speaker 1: would have goten because you and the White It was
Speaker 1: like we was more defensive oriented too though, So just
Speaker 1: to see how y'all played defense in the league, I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shot real bro, Yeah, I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody driving on the No, No, it's a shout
Speaker 1: out to the Indie Heat team though. We're gonna rep
Speaker 1: that's a good team though, right yeah, ANBA players like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what was you? We was going to be talking. I
Speaker 1: just told you you had one though, right NA was
Speaker 1: my team? Nah? Nah my year in the Heat to
Speaker 1: the Big Time final four. But yeah, probably that's a
Speaker 1: big broo. But you was killing. I was killed, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But feel frame I was killing. We
Speaker 1: ain't we ain't had nobody else brother. I mean, we
Speaker 1: ain't nobody else that went to like a big time
Speaker 1: college or not. Like then we was just a good team.
Speaker 1: So shit, you know, how did you get to Oak Hill?
Speaker 1: Like what's that conversation? Like how was you recruited with that?
Speaker 1: Because I imagine what I'm saying. You're talking about your
Speaker 1: AU team in the city, like y'all had the hitters
Speaker 1: already down there? How was it for you to leave home?
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, because now we're old
Speaker 1: enough to see how Oak Hill was Like then we're
Speaker 1: like a mini college, Like how was that for you
Speaker 1: mentally to get prepared to just like go on campus
Speaker 1: a hoop? Yeah? It was. It was good. I mean,
Speaker 1: well it was. It was kind of funny like you
Speaker 1: know back in the day, you know, like the AU
Speaker 1: circuit with beef with the head coaches, but the high
Speaker 1: school teams, you know what I'm saying, Like they wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk to each other and stuff like that. There wasn't
Speaker 1: on the same page. And now it's different, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But in my right so so like
Speaker 1: so like I had like an old old white coach.
Speaker 1: He was like an old fashioned coach when I went
Speaker 1: to Mikiten High School and uh yeah, I was on
Speaker 1: a He was like, man, you got to play on
Speaker 1: the block. But then I had just cracked the top
Speaker 1: five in the country in my in my in my
Speaker 1: in my class. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not doing that, Like I might find
Speaker 1: just sit my ass on the block and be like hey,
Speaker 1: drop step prototypical big type shit like. And then I
Speaker 1: had a point guard who was younger. He was younger,
Speaker 1: he was like a sophomore. So he'll just if you
Speaker 1: see pressure heat advancing the ball, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you take the ship, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm taking it like you know, I'm like i might
Speaker 1: break the playoff boom boom, but I'm scoring, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I had another another dude on
Speaker 1: my team, more assaultment. He played in the league too.
Speaker 1: He played in the league too when the Rice University. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was a year ahead of me. He was
Speaker 1: like a senior and I was a junior. And you know,
Speaker 1: the coach is doing all kind of just jankie stuff
Speaker 1: like like I would I would, I would like go
Speaker 1: in the weight room. But I'd be finessing the wait
Speaker 1: wait room coach like you know what I'm saying. Because
Speaker 1: that was like the football team, so they like squats,
Speaker 1: bitch press, maxing out dead lips, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like when I'm going in like so so like
Speaker 1: early on in the in the year, like what would
Speaker 1: be good? It was like he would pull me out
Speaker 1: and show me like, hey man, I don't want you
Speaker 1: shooting no more threes like you shooting me like the
Speaker 1: three soth'ing like like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: this part of my game, I'm trying to like talk
Speaker 1: to him about like what's going on. He's like, man.
Speaker 1: So then like after a while, I just try to
Speaker 1: Like i'd be like, hey man, coach Westfield want me.
Speaker 1: Like whenever we go get doing it like the squads
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, a coach is like, hey man,
Speaker 1: coach Westfield want me. So I go in there and
Speaker 1: I used to go back there to the back by
Speaker 1: the locker room so he wouldn't be back there. So
Speaker 1: I like be back there behind his desk and shit
Speaker 1: like I put so I pulled up, so I pulled
Speaker 1: like a little fire like a cabinet out. So it's
Speaker 1: like long ass like with my like mail in there,
Speaker 1: with like letters of colleges, damn with my name on it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like he would not
Speaker 1: you wouldn't give he wouldn't give me my man. And
Speaker 1: it was like you can name, you can name the
Speaker 1: college they was in there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm like, damn, like they already sending
Speaker 1: it to my house. Somebody, Why the why the hell
Speaker 1: you ain't why the hell you ain't give him a
Speaker 1: damn man? You had a bad relationship, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: because we didn't have a bad relationship, because the only
Speaker 1: reason why we had a bad relationship because he wanted
Speaker 1: me to do something that I wasn't. I wasn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna jeopardize my future right to make for his
Speaker 1: his traditional needs. That's we understand what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say like we had a bad relationship.
Speaker 1: We just didn't see. We didn't see we weren't on
Speaker 1: the same page, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: got to the point where like I didn't I never
Speaker 1: questioned him about it. You know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: I was like, like you you know I it is
Speaker 1: back in the day, like when when when you saw
Speaker 1: that after Like they're gonna call your parents, they're gonna
Speaker 1: blow your phone up, they're gonna send they're gonna find
Speaker 1: out what your address is, they gonna send you letters.
Speaker 1: Probably even to this day they probably do the same
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to recruiting. But we had a
Speaker 1: we had a conversation one day. He was like Josh
Speaker 1: him telling you if you if if you shoot one three,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit you down. And we had we had
Speaker 1: just beat Willer, Like Willer was like our competence, like
Speaker 1: our main competition, and they was number one in the state.
Speaker 1: We just upset of them, the uh powerhouse. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Down there, yeah, down there in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: they got the number one player in the nextion. I said,
Speaker 1: I call you yea. So they say to this day
Speaker 1: continue that tradition. So we we just beat them. So
Speaker 1: we're playing a bad like a bad team in our
Speaker 1: in our in our in our region, and uh, I
Speaker 1: shoot a three pulled me out, you know what I'm saying, yea.
Speaker 1: So like I'm pissed. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: I'm hot dog like. So I'm just sitting on the
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the bench and uh and and and
Speaker 1: uh he taks, takes uh more assaultment out right. So
Speaker 1: he's like, someone's like, man, coach, you gotta put his
Speaker 1: back in. You gotta put one of us back in.
Speaker 1: You gotta put his back in. I said, I said don't.
Speaker 1: I said, don't. Don't tell him nothing. He can't coach anywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh So, like he was like, so he face got
Speaker 1: raised waiting that. I was like, all right, cool, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I get up sit on
Speaker 1: in the bench. Know I'm sitting I'm just watching the games.
Speaker 1: It's like they started about to lose, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he put me back in and he
Speaker 1: was like, uh, we we end up winning. So we
Speaker 1: get we're in, we're in the locker room. He was like,
Speaker 1: if you ever if you ever talk to me like
Speaker 1: that again, you'll never put on the kitchen I saw.
Speaker 1: I just explode it. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: like that, fuck this school. I can't. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: like back in the day, like you know when you start, man,
Speaker 1: you did like you had this jersey. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm like, when I get out of
Speaker 1: the locker room, my dad see me crying and shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So my dad was like,
Speaker 1: what that what's going on? I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: saw I tell him what's going on? And uh we
Speaker 1: we both dried. He drive me to the to the
Speaker 1: campus and he sit there and have a conversation. I
Speaker 1: don't know we I come in and then they have
Speaker 1: a conversation. I leave and he have enohing. He talked
Speaker 1: to him for a little bit, but then after a
Speaker 1: while he was just like he came out. He was like,
Speaker 1: don't say nothing else. You know what I'm saying. Just
Speaker 1: finished the season, not strong, and I'm gonna find you
Speaker 1: somewhere else to go, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that's all right. He called my uh you coach Resting Peace, Uh,
Speaker 1: Coach Prather he called him and coach pratheror called Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: Was like he put my dad on the phone. My
Speaker 1: dad was like, hey, man, I got a player for you.
Speaker 1: So uh so he was like, oh, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the player's name? So he told told him my name.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, I ain't never heard of him.
Speaker 1: He said, you're a damn lie. You know you heard
Speaker 1: Josh just like you know. It kind of checked him
Speaker 1: a little bit, like, let's just bring your ass up
Speaker 1: to Bob Gibbons, you know what I'm saying, so you'll
Speaker 1: see him for the first time. So he, uh, he
Speaker 1: came to Bob Gibbers and he was like, all right,
Speaker 1: cool shit, Yeah, yea. I wanted y'all want him. So
Speaker 1: that's that's how I got up there. But when I
Speaker 1: got up there, we we was driving. I had missed
Speaker 1: probably like two weeks of my my senior year already
Speaker 1: because it started like in September, and in Atlanta you
Speaker 1: started you started August, like early August. You started schooling August.
Speaker 1: So I get up there and I'm smelling like skunk.
Speaker 1: I'm driving with my dad. I'm like, man, what the
Speaker 1: hell is that smell? Like shit? What is that smell?
Speaker 1: Day like that skunk? Son from the country down there
Speaker 1: in Georgia. I turn this around, turn this thing around, man,
Speaker 1: get me out of here. Man. He was like, he
Speaker 1: was like, nah, man, you can't. You can't go back.
Speaker 1: You gotta. It's like, shit, it's over with you gotta
Speaker 1: just this was school you're going too. So I was
Speaker 1: like I just like shit, I had to get mentally focused.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm gonna be up here for the
Speaker 1: for like seven months without seeing my my my siblings
Speaker 1: and my mom and dad and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: that's it was. It was good for my progression for
Speaker 1: what I was doing for I had my mind set
Speaker 1: out to do. And that's crazy because like obviously, if
Speaker 1: you don't know where Okill is, you can tell him
Speaker 1: it's nothing where Okill is. But Okaill facts the middle
Speaker 1: of the middle of nowhere. Probably the the mall we
Speaker 1: used to get dressed up for. It was Winston sailing
Speaker 1: down there to wait for it. Our best girl on
Speaker 1: Dog and go down there and dog. It's about an
Speaker 1: hour and a half away, about an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's mouth of Wilston Virgains, the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere. But if you I mean, but if you
Speaker 1: want to like get your child mentally focused and block
Speaker 1: out all this uh, all this internet, Instagram fame stuff,
Speaker 1: that's still the probably the best school to take them to.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you still got even I went to
Speaker 1: you know, because my kids are young, I mean the
Speaker 1: older now, so I do a little. I've been troughing
Speaker 1: the air stuff. And one of my younger kids play
Speaker 1: football too, at a high level. He plays on the
Speaker 1: Battle Circuit. So their national championship down there in Florida,
Speaker 1: so they had had a tournament, and I amg and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's a mega campus. But it's like
Speaker 1: you can get super distracted too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can see where it could be a distraction. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, oh, kid, Like, if you really want
Speaker 1: to lock in and and really like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm telling you, and you want to get
Speaker 1: your kids to like a mature level state of mind,
Speaker 1: that that's that's a really good school, especially now that
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You got the nil money
Speaker 1: coming in, boys getting paid you obviously coming straight out
Speaker 1: of our school. We don't get to that shortly. But
Speaker 1: how you feel about that? Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have some parks to being a top player,
Speaker 1: but like now you can make seven meals as a sophomore.
Speaker 1: That shit crazy. I mean, it's like I think We
Speaker 1: were talking about that before the podcast, not about the
Speaker 1: nil stuff about but by how people can finesse their rankings,
Speaker 1: by the way they can manipulate social media, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like there's plenty of times
Speaker 1: where a kid or a parent or somebody I know
Speaker 1: it be like a man this kids wants to play
Speaker 1: for a team, and he sends me a couple of
Speaker 1: clips of the kid making shots and then I see
Speaker 1: him and he's trash. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: no disrespect to the no disrespect to the you know
Speaker 1: you know what I'm no dispect to the you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to the kids that I've seen, But
Speaker 1: it's really the disrespect to the to the people that
Speaker 1: sent me some of those videos. Now I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say all of them, you know what I'm saying, are
Speaker 1: are not good. But it's like now I'm at a
Speaker 1: point where I like, I don't want to see no
Speaker 1: more videos, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see no more videos of nobody, like let
Speaker 1: me see what he looked like on the five on
Speaker 1: five said yeah, and its it's like nowadays, these kids
Speaker 1: can can pump fake you and and it's like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm older now, so like I'm like, damn, I see
Speaker 1: how these gems can get fucking food. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, They can get tricked because I literally got
Speaker 1: two kids. I mean, like I like on I got
Speaker 1: I got like some I got kids and like on
Speaker 1: my teams, and it's it's some kids that can work out.
Speaker 1: Like as far as the workout cones and stuff, they
Speaker 1: would kill it, kill it, kill it, make the shots
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying. And I got a
Speaker 1: kid that might look look like some trash and that shit.
Speaker 1: But when when they played five on five, he wears
Speaker 1: they would wear that shit out. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: They would wear the cone, Nigga, they would wear the
Speaker 1: cone kid out all day long. That's a good segment
Speaker 1: because a segue because you for show wasn't no man,
Speaker 1: no man, look man, Josh should just kick my ass
Speaker 1: in the Lena. He kicked my ass when it came
Speaker 1: to like the shooting and the man and man was
Speaker 1: going not for ten ten fen I was like six
Speaker 1: foot ten seven ften like you know, but that's that
Speaker 1: was one of the main reasons why he got picked
Speaker 1: six and I got picked seventeen. But because but when
Speaker 1: we were playing two on two, I dominated it. But
Speaker 1: it was as far as like shooting and dribbling skills.
Speaker 1: I didn't have no nigga, i't had no trainers help him.
Speaker 1: Like you know, it was probably like a six month,
Speaker 1: six month thing with John Lucas. He was trying to
Speaker 1: help me a little bit, trying to see if that
Speaker 1: if that fuck asks high school coach wouldn't let you cook.
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'd be saying to about like we
Speaker 1: have that problem here, bro like where kids are forced
Speaker 1: to motherfucker be alonzo morning and I feel like coaches
Speaker 1: only coached for the moment. They don't coach for these
Speaker 1: kids future they want. I mean, your coach was just
Speaker 1: like he's trying to win right now boxing not thinking
Speaker 1: like this, nigga, Jay are really a small four. Let
Speaker 1: him dumple that bitch between the legs and go out
Speaker 1: of bands. It's my best player, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta let kids play through mistakes because
Speaker 1: a lot of these kids motherfucker's that we know. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say nobody name, but my motherfucker's six four centers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And then when they get to college, they
Speaker 1: get a route awakening in this a motherfucker six twelve
Speaker 1: really gotta you gotta play the one now, it's shit spooky,
Speaker 1: y'all left hand this gug now, y'all mama and them
Speaker 1: they mad they sent you to this big school when
Speaker 1: y'all ass should have went to motherfucking I just I
Speaker 1: don't know about that ship. Just be having me so
Speaker 1: mad man, when these kids get gassed, and it just
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying, how you can
Speaker 1: finesse with my fuck on the really mixtape board because
Speaker 1: we got some people here where I'll be like, man,
Speaker 1: he ain't like that. I ain't gonna see a lot too.
Speaker 1: I'm mean no, like, just like these these these colleges,
Speaker 1: they have all these young kids and they're losing. You
Speaker 1: got all these McDonald's all Americans, how to like, dog
Speaker 1: that shit's not supposed to happen. I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn that young enough bro talking about it, y'all are
Speaker 1: y'all are McDonald's all Americans? Bro? That's the pressure behind
Speaker 1: that having that tag on you. You got to produce
Speaker 1: at the next level, especially if you were a number
Speaker 1: one player in the nation, you're supposed to be trashing
Speaker 1: that ship because I know Kevin Durant did it. That's
Speaker 1: a fact, Michael Beasley did. They trashed college college basketball
Speaker 1: like when they came into when they came into it.
Speaker 1: This ship might have stopped Anthony Davis. But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta thinking about Anthony Davis played with two years
Speaker 1: though right I thought he played. I'm thinking about somebody
Speaker 1: else freshman is that coming in and dominated? Zion dominated her?
Speaker 1: He did? That was both assisted. Nah, I didn't either.
Speaker 1: He shot. He shot every time he did, but twenty
Speaker 1: that's djoo get it? Why we do for it? I
Speaker 1: mean what we're talking about Pike nigga, he's supposed to bastball.
Speaker 1: You're right, though, bro, I just I don't really know
Speaker 1: what the disconnect is. I don't know if it is
Speaker 1: it because the nil M how much money you think
Speaker 1: you would have got coming out of high school, coming
Speaker 1: especially in the Hoak Hill. First of all, I want
Speaker 1: my parents are Christian, so I wouldn't even had no
Speaker 1: social media. Damn, you know what I'm saying. I probably
Speaker 1: still then get I don't know I have no idea.
Speaker 1: They probably would have had to. I probably would have
Speaker 1: had somebody running my Instagram. If my parents would have knew,
Speaker 1: I would have got a lot that much. I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen the Instagram. But as long as you
Speaker 1: see that check though, man, probably about like you said,
Speaker 1: a seven, yeah, I was three class and like y'all
Speaker 1: were so famous. Yea, I was famous. But I think
Speaker 1: Zion was the first one to crack the internet when
Speaker 1: it came to high school players being famous. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he had your followers. He said, he had the
Speaker 1: perfect marriage. He had the elite footage with the Elite
Speaker 1: game exactly. He was one of the few who had
Speaker 1: that crazy light. He was still record shit and when
Speaker 1: you've seen it, he was still doing it in real
Speaker 1: life easy, still doing it crazy. But y'all was like
Speaker 1: that though, Yeah, like the shit I seen you do, man,
Speaker 1: like they had internet like that, Man, we can't you
Speaker 1: can't even the highlight chase you you see it though,
Speaker 1: Like it's like exactly, we used to watch blurry right quality,
Speaker 1: so like you gotta see Okay mixtape, so blurry dog.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn dog. But the shit y'all was doing
Speaker 1: if they would have had that on video like they
Speaker 1: do now. Yeah, man, I've seen one with Rondo caught one.
Speaker 1: He threw Rondo the lib he dunked it like they
Speaker 1: was well, was clowning. Okay, man, because Lou Williams shit
Speaker 1: is retarded. Georgia take yeah, the guy when he had
Speaker 1: against Manta Ellis, that was that was elude too. She
Speaker 1: would have had that on film. Man, man, come special.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, You do your thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously you know what I'm saying. It's time to start
Speaker 1: thinking about post high school. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know it's it's a school in Indiana that you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We thought you was going to see.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. How did that go? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, legendary? I used stories. That was
Speaker 1: the only school I visited. Damn uh uh. I think
Speaker 1: when that was. That was when I met Mike Davis.
Speaker 1: It was so like I was going to Georgia but
Speaker 1: with Jim Herritt. But then that thing happened with Cole
Speaker 1: when he when he told about the basketball, he was
Speaker 1: he was the one messing up. He was the one
Speaker 1: messing up at at school and and they was taking
Speaker 1: care of his mama's bills and a that stuff. And
Speaker 1: then and then you do that now now now now
Speaker 1: talk about Charleston before. He might have been the first
Speaker 1: one because he fucked up a lot. But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you who did He did brouh and he really he
Speaker 1: really fucked up the Georgia basketball everything ever done it.
Speaker 1: Look it's trash. Yeah, it's bad right now. It might
Speaker 1: be rebuilding hopefully with this new coach that we had,
Speaker 1: but who know, Like that's what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: was able to try to convince him to go there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, he was one of my one of
Speaker 1: my young kids. When I met him at the That's
Speaker 1: Hard at the top one hundred camp. You know, he
Speaker 1: was he was staying with me for like a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, uh, senior in high school, that's all that's
Speaker 1: you know, I was mentoring for a little bit. And
Speaker 1: then you know I kind of threw that Georgia in
Speaker 1: his ear because he was committed to Florida State. Sorry
Speaker 1: Florida State fans. You know I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be He was a trouble laser. You know
Speaker 1: when the Georgia was another one pick that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's his man. So he's been he's been real, real one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: real man. I understood. Gotta be was crazy. I was
Speaker 1: thinking that because when I met you, all you talked
Speaker 1: about was Georgia, Georgia, football, Georgia, everything. And I'm like, hell,
Speaker 1: was he going to Indiana? Yeah? Because but then but then,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what happened. So I left it. I
Speaker 1: left it all open. So everybody started coming to my schools,
Speaker 1: I mean to my school, uh my junior year. Everybody,
Speaker 1: like all the head coaches from each school was coming.
Speaker 1: And then Mike Davis came, and I just you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was like, Okay, I'm rocking with
Speaker 1: this ar that nice bag. My dad was My dad
Speaker 1: was the bad was coming anyway. That's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So talk about it. I don't like my
Speaker 1: dad was just sitting like you can go to whatever
Speaker 1: I got recruited about. I know how they got all
Speaker 1: they get foosers shout to Cavin Simpson. No, but facts,
Speaker 1: see that's that's the only good thing about nil. You.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's the only good thing that but
Speaker 1: but but it was nothing like that. Brown paper bags
Speaker 1: have been nice too, because y'all, y'all would have had
Speaker 1: Robert BADJ, Ratliff, Bracy Right he was then who was
Speaker 1: the DJ White. I just find out recently on the
Speaker 1: Hands podcast that Bracey Right was supposed to go to
Speaker 1: Duke instead of JJ, like they was gonna they was
Speaker 1: recruiting him over like whoever committed first is gonna go.
Speaker 1: I thought she was crazy. I didn't know that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: had that squad, it was gonna be life. It was
Speaker 1: gonna change with you, bro. They needed that, see, and
Speaker 1: that's why I never I never fucked with Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been following you for a minute though, but I
Speaker 1: never fucked fuck. Are you produe all that shit a school?
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, they about to get a nick
Speaker 1: because but my h but this this is how I
Speaker 1: went though. I called my daddy, was like January. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this day like it was yesterday. I was called.
Speaker 1: I called my dad. I was super excited. I just
Speaker 1: uh past my act. So I'm calling with like super
Speaker 1: excitement Dad, man, I qualified, Man, I get to go
Speaker 1: to college. You know what I'm saying, like I'm excited,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because I had I had
Speaker 1: took my final visits already and like November or something
Speaker 1: like it was, I had midnight madness. I had went
Speaker 1: there and we had all we was all there and
Speaker 1: Jeff Newton shout out to Jeff Newton and uh A.
Speaker 1: J Moyer was there, shout out him too. He was.
Speaker 1: They took campus, they took us around campus and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And then I was like, man, I said.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, we uh said, said I'm going
Speaker 1: in the end. The next year, We're going in the end.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, congratulations son. You know. He was like,
Speaker 1: but you know you projected to go uh one through
Speaker 1: twenty he said, we ain't going in tell you like,
Speaker 1: so you know, get that get that mindset out of
Speaker 1: your mind, and you know, lift lift you some more weights,
Speaker 1: lift you most, lift you some more weights. Stop bullishing
Speaker 1: in the weight bro. He was like. So he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, you know, it's trying to
Speaker 1: be trying to be grown man. Shit. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I said, damn, I said, uh. I said, okay, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see all them shoes you've been getting them, reboxing them,
Speaker 1: d the shoes and made them. Yeah. Yeah, they on
Speaker 1: the line. So shit, don't be bullised, don't suck it up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I was like, yeah, alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like like, damn,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I'm like in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get shit. I can't can't be no
Speaker 1: kid no more. I got a lock in. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was, I was. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go you know what I'm saying. I did
Speaker 1: want it to go. Fuck, But you know, my ship,
Speaker 1: you know, we was, we didn't. It was unfortunate growing up.
Speaker 1: We didn't have no money. Man. Both my parents are
Speaker 1: in foreclosure, bankruptcy, you know what I'm saying. So all
Speaker 1: that was going on, it was nothing that they get
Speaker 1: they could get us to really get out the whole
Speaker 1: with I had to be the one, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's a blessing though, Yeah, absolutely, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thank God every day and we gonna
Speaker 1: talk about you know what, I'm see your draft process
Speaker 1: stuff is like I mean, for both of y'all know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying comfort situations to where you know you're young,
Speaker 1: you're rich, and your family looking at you like shit,
Speaker 1: what's up with it? That's a different type of pressure
Speaker 1: that people don't understand. Like people think, oh, young you
Speaker 1: this your life is great. Nah, I'm young, but I'm
Speaker 1: an opportunity. So like now everything you do is super
Speaker 1: empiphied and especially you know what I'm saying, coming straight
Speaker 1: out of high school, a lot of people don't do
Speaker 1: that shit. So you had to go through that process
Speaker 1: squeaky clean, Like how was your process? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I know even with bro like they
Speaker 1: interview people from back crib crib like background checks at
Speaker 1: seeing what you did when you was eight years old,
Speaker 1: with you eight when you was in second grade, Like
Speaker 1: how was your process? Like all right, cool, it's a
Speaker 1: business now and now you gotta go work out against
Speaker 1: professionals every day, Like how is that mindset switching? How
Speaker 1: was your drive process? Because you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you had a good you know what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: went first round and you went to the crib, Like
Speaker 1: how was all that for you mentally prepared to be
Speaker 1: to go play at the crib. I mean a shout
Speaker 1: out to my parents. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: mean they're you know what i mean, Like now that
Speaker 1: you see and you're a part of the air. You
Speaker 1: circle now, so you see how these kids can get
Speaker 1: you can get messed up. It's their parents. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care about it. I don't care
Speaker 1: about how talented the kid is. I recruit the parent,
Speaker 1: you know, I first see how talented the kid is.
Speaker 1: I see then I see the parent, and then I
Speaker 1: want to engage with the parenting. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can I can rock with the parent. H And
Speaker 1: then you know, like most most people like to see
Speaker 1: uh stability, uh stability, you know what I'm saying. They'd
Speaker 1: like to see households with stable with with like you know,
Speaker 1: my man dad, you know what I'm saying. And and
Speaker 1: and if it's not like that, they like to see
Speaker 1: great co parenting, you know what I'm saying. So when
Speaker 1: it's not, when it's a little off balanced right there,
Speaker 1: then uh, that's where the disconnect's going to come in.
Speaker 1: When that that that that those are little things that
Speaker 1: that that why kids you know, don't make it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying some some some people don't make it,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, you know my dad taking talking
Speaker 1: to me every day about what what what was going
Speaker 1: on and what I need to get my mind ready for,
Speaker 1: uh coming into the league as a as a kid,
Speaker 1: uh playing against grown man you know man. So I
Speaker 1: mean you never know, as you never know what you're
Speaker 1: what you what you're gonna face until you get there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like shit, you you you
Speaker 1: know you're confident, you're ready. Uh, just like shit Like Jeff,
Speaker 1: it was like I remember yesterday we was in the
Speaker 1: playoff game or it was it might have been a
Speaker 1: year after the playoffs, and uh, this is when he
Speaker 1: was like taking a role up the starting point guard
Speaker 1: and he was cooking the ass. He was like he
Speaker 1: was cooking it in the first first half and he
Speaker 1: was talking shit like how mother fucks game fuck with me?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Like he like so
Speaker 1: they was like they look like who you know they
Speaker 1: look they're always looking at somebody like that when you
Speaker 1: because they wanted to check you. You You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was the Selton team that was the one that
Speaker 1: was gonna talk trash to you and look at you,
Speaker 1: look down on you. But it was what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, you had to pay how much to the
Speaker 1: to those Hall of famers. But you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: have a sense of you gotta have an attitude of
Speaker 1: a pride and confidence when you make it to that level,
Speaker 1: like because you know, once you get on that stage,
Speaker 1: and there was so many people that that had that
Speaker 1: that that played basketball. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And gud and guy gave you the opportunity to be
Speaker 1: that challenging and then bless you with by selecting you
Speaker 1: as some of the few that that that could be
Speaker 1: able to put one of those jerseys on. And what's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like you said, you know what I'm saying, you've been
Speaker 1: a high school phenom. Nowadays, you see so many high
Speaker 1: school phenoms drink the cool like way before they ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that's what you're seeing. These kids. They're making
Speaker 1: money young, but they're fizzling out young. They ain't even
Speaker 1: getting a chance of getting the lead, getting rotation to
Speaker 1: realize all right, you know at some point you do
Speaker 1: how to play. Yeah, that's because that's because like you said,
Speaker 1: some of these kids are getting influenced in these these parents.
Speaker 1: It's like that, Uh, what's that? What's that? What you're
Speaker 1: talking about? Will? It's the little kids? What's that? What's
Speaker 1: the Garrett Cole like he started off young, the parents
Speaker 1: blew the bag, you know, he grown up and then
Speaker 1: having the money, you know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 1: like that's can of that? Can that can scary? Scary
Speaker 1: be the case for some of the some of these
Speaker 1: kids nowadays with these n IL deals and then they're
Speaker 1: getting these they're getting this money. And once you get
Speaker 1: the money, you get access to a lot of other things,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying about it. And you know that,
Speaker 1: right and you you we all know that, right. So
Speaker 1: once you get access to to to to to somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, everything opens up for you in your life.
Speaker 1: And then who's gonna tell you what to do when
Speaker 1: when when you're the one it's the bread winner. Fact,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of create, you have to kind
Speaker 1: of keep that that that mental blockage of of of
Speaker 1: having that tunnel vision on still wanting to make it
Speaker 1: to the NBA, because man, seven million is a lot
Speaker 1: of money, man, you know what I'm saying. So if
Speaker 1: a if a kid. I you know, I commended We
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, but I commend a kid that
Speaker 1: is that is making that type of money and and
Speaker 1: uh and still uh makes it to the NFL or NBA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I want to see the event.
Speaker 1: Grab a hold of you. Once you got drafted, and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you now the bread winner
Speaker 1: of the family and shit. So it's kind of you
Speaker 1: can't take financial advice from no disrespect yea, rather seeking
Speaker 1: from somebody else who's you know what I mean, been
Speaker 1: through it, maybe a couple of years, was it? Anybody
Speaker 1: on the team. Once you got there, absolutely absolutely come here.
Speaker 1: Let me walker. That's the best to learn from. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I say it's the best to learn
Speaker 1: from because somebody that shiited on millions of mills of
Speaker 1: dollars and tell you what not to do, but tell
Speaker 1: you about hearing what I tell him what I do
Speaker 1: because because when I met yeah, he showed me ten
Speaker 1: thousand city. So I'm like, day, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: But I was trying to show them nigga some loves not.
Speaker 1: He a good dude though, Yeah, one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he took me on this wing. It was funny man,
Speaker 1: because he never showed me the he The only place
Speaker 1: he took me to was was Magic City, but that
Speaker 1: was it. But it was like, uh, he never brought
Speaker 1: anything around me as far as like, no female never
Speaker 1: threw me because they knew I was young. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was. It was people in the
Speaker 1: organization that was trying to introduce me to their daughters. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because I was young. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was a teenager. I was
Speaker 1: still you know what I'm saying. So they was really like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they were trying to turn turn
Speaker 1: them up, to turn them. But so you know, but
Speaker 1: I always kept everything professional when it came to to
Speaker 1: basketball because I ain't you know what it was. So
Speaker 1: it's so many other other ways to do things. You
Speaker 1: didn't have to. You don't have to, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, you didn't have to get that thirsty.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Who was the gym when
Speaker 1: you got drafted? It was Billy Knight. You want us
Speaker 1: something crazy? Billy Knight daughter went to our high school,
Speaker 1: listened with Indiana Damn probably gett out of the head
Speaker 1: bands and nikes. Yeah, so I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, silly,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so generational wealth. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. That was that was it. That was
Speaker 1: one of them. But he was the one who kind
Speaker 1: of changed the game of basketball too. He was the
Speaker 1: one that kept drafting six players, kept drafting six eight.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, he drafted, he drafted Josh Churches,
Speaker 1: then me, then he drafted, uh, Marvin Williams, then he
Speaker 1: drafted Sheldon Williams, then he drafted he drafted the shelldo
Speaker 1: Win was like six, but I was. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't draft Chris Paul because he was
Speaker 1: like Chris Paul was, wasn't taught, wasn't bigger than his
Speaker 1: wife's real ship. So did But then he started taking though,
Speaker 1: and that's when it was on the line. So that's
Speaker 1: when he started trying to find people. He was trying
Speaker 1: to find I think he tried to he drafted a law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just trying. He was trying. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was too little, too late, because you like
Speaker 1: you're gonna drop, you drag the shielding and then you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying he went went I think at that,
Speaker 1: but then they had kind of fiddle with him out
Speaker 1: and it was rick Son. Yeah. It was the right
Speaker 1: thing really though. He really had the vision for basketball today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he do talk about it if he do. The teams
Speaker 1: that he has, he's a visionary. He's a visionary for sure,
Speaker 1: the teams that he's Yeah, because he was right, we
Speaker 1: switched everything like that's that's how he played defense. That's
Speaker 1: why they has That's why it was sucking that hated me.
Speaker 1: I was too short maybe like switch switching everything. Though
Speaker 1: I ain't hate him out, like ship, come on with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to big for a point guard. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, we can't get christ Paul. I
Speaker 1: love Marvin to death, but I'm like, man, I need
Speaker 1: a lot of us something, man, a little lot of two,
Speaker 1: you know, man, because I was I used to run
Speaker 1: the wing. Marvin would getting up on the break. No,
Speaker 1: you know, mar marble gon kid, you shoot do his
Speaker 1: little you know he gonna court get your little court
Speaker 1: mcgetty action. I need to get him a file, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So knock some shots down, but man, Chris, Chris Paul
Speaker 1: was ready. Man. That's a generational that's a generational player.
Speaker 1: He was ready to rondo. Yeah yeah, I was missing
Speaker 1: and I had to break players off with I would
Speaker 1: have turned your bag up to I'm telling you it
Speaker 1: would have because you would have made it so easy.
Speaker 1: It made it easy when you got baby thought but
Speaker 1: he was older. I had about defense. That was we that.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey man, goddamn baby, a little bit
Speaker 1: play a little bit of something. You know. We played cards, gambling,
Speaker 1: talking ship to each other like tint. The conversations you
Speaker 1: were like, man, damn baby, damn. You know I still
Speaker 1: talk today like like like baby baby, hey man, listen, man,
Speaker 1: they didn't bring me here to wild y'all with my
Speaker 1: motherfucking defense. They brought me here to shoot that thing.
Speaker 1: He said, Josh, get my back, Say Josh, you going
Speaker 1: around to get my back? Crying. He one of the
Speaker 1: best I ever knew. Man. He's leg leg legend nigga.
Speaker 1: Always big. Starting when he retired, he started getting big
Speaker 1: body push ups all day. He used to do the
Speaker 1: little twist perfect when they first came in from Marcial Swack,
Speaker 1: We love Mike Baby with him. I want to take
Speaker 1: it back though, definitely. So on your draft process, like
Speaker 1: how many teams did you work out for? Man? Probably
Speaker 1: like twelve, twelve thirteen. I was. I was trying to
Speaker 1: catch the fabe with everybody. Man. I was because I
Speaker 1: was younger and I just wanted to show I want
Speaker 1: to I want to work out with anybody. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, anybody, I'll think that's in front of me,
Speaker 1: come on with it. But you know, lou All dang
Speaker 1: played the smart world. He he was already like a
Speaker 1: lot top eight or nine a lot. So he he
Speaker 1: was working out that dude. He was like, y'all can
Speaker 1: come catch me a dude like Tea. He was working
Speaker 1: up with nobody. Yeah, He's like, I'm not working out
Speaker 1: with nobody, y'all. Just then he only he only did
Speaker 1: one year a dude. Yeah, So he did that. And
Speaker 1: then I worked out with Josh Cheers maybe twice with
Speaker 1: the front. I wouldn't within it in Atlanta, and then DC.
Speaker 1: I caught him in DC. I worked out they had
Speaker 1: a better workout with him. DC didn't. He didn't want to.
Speaker 1: He didn't work out with me no more. And then
Speaker 1: uh I had him and Eagle Dollar in in DC,
Speaker 1: Iggy and then I was supposed to work out with
Speaker 1: Iggy in Philadelphia and he can't. They canceled, So I
Speaker 1: was I worked out with somebody else, like a second
Speaker 1: round draft pick. We know why they canceled because we
Speaker 1: know don't know who they took right there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we uh yeah, then we worked out. Then we
Speaker 1: was with I think Clippers, bobcats R. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. I worked out for a couple of teams. Yeah, Seattle,
Speaker 1: I wanted to seattle't work out, was get any guarantees,
Speaker 1: like uh, because I got a guarantee at seventeen And
Speaker 1: when they ain't called my name, I was sick. Didn't
Speaker 1: I was sick when they called my name was because
Speaker 1: I didn't get no guarantees. They was like they told me.
Speaker 1: They was like look, it was like shit. It was
Speaker 1: like between Josh Child just Low there was like Josh
Speaker 1: Shild just who they said, Josh Child, just Eagle Dollar.
Speaker 1: Me was gonna slip. So like I ain't. I hadn't
Speaker 1: worked out for like Miami them teams like past seventeen
Speaker 1: with the workout for him. Yeah. So so when I
Speaker 1: started seeing my like it was following the line. Boom
Speaker 1: the Picks was following the line. Then we called the
Speaker 1: Atlanta's like, now we ain't He's not what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: A sea So they picked Josh. Yeah. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking they gonna pick Eagle Dollar. Yeah. So when
Speaker 1: they picked Josh, I'm like the fuck. So I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: so did my heart drop? Oh? I'm like, shit, it's me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat the i'mna be the one. So I've
Speaker 1: been there, I've been there. I'm in the green room
Speaker 1: just sitting there, Joe. You know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: like you get seventeen, pick, it's a it's a long,
Speaker 1: it's a long. It's a long. Ways like you feel
Speaker 1: like you're there being for like four hours. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in there and the seventeen come up. It's
Speaker 1: the Hawks. They say, they say they gonna pick me.
Speaker 1: I said, man, tell them, tell them. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go there because Miammi Miami was like Minay was like, nah,
Speaker 1: he's not going past this, He's not going past this number.
Speaker 1: We're picking him. You know what I'm saying, Like Miami
Speaker 1: Heat was saying this. It was eighteen. One of those.
Speaker 1: There was a nineteen I think nineteenth because I think
Speaker 1: New Orleans was eighteen, and they picked JR. Smith Okay
Speaker 1: Sow and I was like, I was like, uh. I
Speaker 1: was like, shit, tell no pickney, Tell no pickney because
Speaker 1: the money was saying at that point. I was like,
Speaker 1: telling no pickney. So they was like, man, they gonna
Speaker 1: pick your Josh. So if you see my if you
Speaker 1: see me, see my thing, I'm walking up there and
Speaker 1: don't find mad as hell. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm man, I ain't smiling nothing. I'm I'm out there. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm like, shake his hand, but will take the picture.
Speaker 1: I smiled the picture. But see you mom a nigga
Speaker 1: man nah, but it ain't like this nigga would have
Speaker 1: got drafted to the patients. He would have been jumping
Speaker 1: for fucking joy, right man. See I was. But then
Speaker 1: I had to I had to think about the the
Speaker 1: perks of it, because you got to think about it
Speaker 1: when you when you were growing up in the household,
Speaker 1: you gotta go to church three times, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, you go to church every Sunday,
Speaker 1: you got a Bible study with you with your with
Speaker 1: your with your siblings and your mom and daddy. Then
Speaker 1: then your mama trying to trying to about the whoop
Speaker 1: you to go to choir. She's trying to get you
Speaker 1: to go to choir. Maria six six, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: gotta whoop me, MoMA? Ever be that thing with the
Speaker 1: six sixty six nine? Everybody, everybody, everybody but elbows. I
Speaker 1: gotta fight like I'm kiching the Holy Ghost. Stop playing
Speaker 1: with the lad I'm not playing with the little man
Speaker 1: they were playing. I would try to. I would try
Speaker 1: to see what it felt like. I ain't never feeling
Speaker 1: I have you. You know what followed off church like,
Speaker 1: oh here you go, drummer too. I think I felt
Speaker 1: it on the drums sitting I'm just thinking about you
Speaker 1: in church six now with the tambarine is crazy doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm the one sitting down laughing. Yeah, I'm the one laughing.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's good. I always tell people as much
Speaker 1: of a heathen as I am today, talk about it,
Speaker 1: truck I am. I'm a true heath and my past.
Speaker 1: They try to teach me well, but I want to
Speaker 1: gainst the ground. I still love the Lord were still homeless.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, Church, teach you structure, bro. It does it?
Speaker 1: Really does? I know that plays a lot into how
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, facts, I mean that's funny, that's you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You get it cracking in the
Speaker 1: Lanta first year, all start weekend. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to your thing? How was that first experience? What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we got to you say you all start
Speaker 1: to you know saying you was in the game. You
Speaker 1: know what I say, you did one of the hardest
Speaker 1: things to do in the dunk contest of everybody looking
Speaker 1: at you. How was that like, especially your first year
Speaker 1: in the league? Like all lives on use in the stage. Man,
Speaker 1: I was in h was in Denver. Shout out to Denver.
Speaker 1: It was a good it was. It was a good
Speaker 1: That was a good experience, man. Just overall. I was.
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, just turned nineteen. My birthday was in December,
Speaker 1: so boom, you got February right, February was all Star.
Speaker 1: So I just turned nineteen, and my my main thing
Speaker 1: was just don't fuck your dunks up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like I had a routine, I had four dunks.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I ain't have nothing after that.
Speaker 1: You know, I would have been doing some some bullshit
Speaker 1: if they asked me to go back up there for
Speaker 1: a time, So damn I had. I was like, I
Speaker 1: would do these four dunks. Uh the who was the
Speaker 1: strength and condition to coach Pete Rudula Vick and Wily
Speaker 1: Blaze at the time, it was the head training. They
Speaker 1: gave me the idea of the jersey which which which
Speaker 1: was a trendsetter. Kind of sick trying for for like
Speaker 1: years to come with people appearing how much to jersey
Speaker 1: people putting jerseys on taking dunks. But I made those dunks,
Speaker 1: thank god. Went Foe for Fold, a couple of guys
Speaker 1: that they had some really good dunks, they just couldn't
Speaker 1: fit it. Like Joe Smith had a really that's when
Speaker 1: he went behind the back of that was like a
Speaker 1: new dunk for the dunk contest. So he went and
Speaker 1: like so, but he didn't complete it like the first
Speaker 1: couple of times. So that kind of that kind of
Speaker 1: gave me. They gave me some room when I went
Speaker 1: so I just I was just a complete dunker with
Speaker 1: all my dunks. I flushed them all we won, and
Speaker 1: you know, I had had fun with some of some
Speaker 1: of my childhood childhood friends after that. It's hard, so
Speaker 1: I put you on the spot. Obviously you want a contest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who a better dunker between exactly being Vince Carter Vince
Speaker 1: Carter for sure, not gonna Vince that easy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Vince because Zach is a one. He's a
Speaker 1: he only do for stuff on the free throw line.
Speaker 1: He like him and James White of the same dunkers.
Speaker 1: Damn great comparison James. As far as crazy flight, yes,
Speaker 1: but Vince Carter changed the game, man factual. He had
Speaker 1: the best dunk contest of all time. Ever, it's better
Speaker 1: than that. It's better than that first Airs act Lavin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the reason why it is because they gave it
Speaker 1: to the wrong person. They should have gave it to God.
Speaker 1: That was bullshit. He got cheated, like so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like come on, that was it? Come on, bro, you
Speaker 1: want to know what? Yeah, like, they gave it to
Speaker 1: the wrong person. It was crazy. I can't believe he
Speaker 1: didn't win. He won that for show. I give him
Speaker 1: that every time. I'm like when he went, man, that
Speaker 1: was crazy. You know what I'm saying, Now, you don't
Speaker 1: say you got that out of the way. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's still tough for me because exact Lavin shp like
Speaker 1: I under stay that one, like, but something shit was
Speaker 1: like damn Like, I think Vince obviously got the best dunk.
Speaker 1: Never the game dunk is never gonna be touched. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like that, No, I'm talking about that
Speaker 1: limpic joint Elite, the biggest nigg in the league outside
Speaker 1: of the ball with the ball that was crazy and
Speaker 1: you back here with it. You're looking down in the
Speaker 1: room you think it was John Marantz. One't like that. Paciers.
Speaker 1: Please get off the highlights. Y'all make it so tough.
Speaker 1: We're gonna top of everybody if you if you searching
Speaker 1: it right now, they are the top of it, the
Speaker 1: Pacers on every top of every highlights. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: Please give us something. We're tired of the ship joint
Speaker 1: different ain't nah, but any game dunk was crazy for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, see what I'm saying. We gotta talk about
Speaker 1: y'all link up. You know what I'm saying. Obviously you
Speaker 1: are vent Lena. You know they get this point guard
Speaker 1: out of white Forest. How was your first time meet
Speaker 1: and see? Like what was he y'all? Early on in
Speaker 1: the league and to see him, know I'm seeing transitioned
Speaker 1: up to being a solid player in the NBA. Man,
Speaker 1: real cheat, real quiet price still price, still frugal to
Speaker 1: this day. But he was real quiet, like just wanted
Speaker 1: to learn, you know what I'm saying. Observant Me and
Speaker 1: him used to always go in the road and get
Speaker 1: something to eat, go to the movies or something like that.
Speaker 1: Chop it up, and I try to give him. I
Speaker 1: try to give him as much knowledge as I could
Speaker 1: I could from my from my perspective of just being
Speaker 1: in the league, because I couldn't really tell him nothing
Speaker 1: from a point guard perspective, but just just life in
Speaker 1: general and everything going on. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You know, from that perspective, that's that's you know. We
Speaker 1: used to kick it like that. He used to hang
Speaker 1: out with me too. Yeah, Smooth was like the cool
Speaker 1: big brother type, like he'll pull you in like, hey,
Speaker 1: theybody gonna talk about all that shit, Come over here
Speaker 1: with me. Man, were about to go out have a
Speaker 1: good time, But like you gotta be serious though you
Speaker 1: can't get in trouble. You gotta play attention. You ain't
Speaker 1: gonna play your first year. You just gotta stay on
Speaker 1: the bench, stay focused, watch everything, and then your time
Speaker 1: gonna come. I wasn't trying to hear that ship. I'm
Speaker 1: on the bench, like baby, can't move no more. He
Speaker 1: giving the muscle moves. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sixty four.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe he came on no more. He like
Speaker 1: he's telling me, like, just calm down me, your time
Speaker 1: gonna come. I'm like, man, smooth man, I don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm about to ask for a trade. I'm about ask
Speaker 1: for a trade, like man, nobody gonna trade for you.
Speaker 1: Shit Like bro, he was like, nobody gonna trade for you.
Speaker 1: Ain't playing. But he used to give it to me real.
Speaker 1: That's why I used to respect him. Then he like
Speaker 1: like he popcorn my car, my rookie year, talk about it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I told him he had a made back,
Speaker 1: maybe to color his car. The ship he was living
Speaker 1: like that, talk about it. I told him. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm taking all your tires off. I mean, was to
Speaker 1: put him. He was about to call the police. Damn
Speaker 1: about the car. The police, I said I'll put your
Speaker 1: car on bricks. He was like, nigga, shut up. He
Speaker 1: gave me, He gave me, like five get detail. You
Speaker 1: better show up to the club tonight. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh he pulled up. Yeah, yeah, he pulled over the dog.
Speaker 1: He shut some of the said shouted down with this nigga.
Speaker 1: We touched on this another episode we got here with
Speaker 1: since you here. You know what I'm saying, the infamous
Speaker 1: Krispy Kreme don't Nuts. You know what I'm saying. Oh, man,
Speaker 1: I heard You'll almost had COVID before COVID with his
Speaker 1: two weeks out don't nuts man. Oh yeah, man, that
Speaker 1: man try to get try to get creative on us.
Speaker 1: And see the funny thing about that whole thing, it
Speaker 1: was just a pass down tradition, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because uh see, they used to hey Josh, Josh, because
Speaker 1: Josh shut used to have the brain to uh a, man,
Speaker 1: I want I want to They wanted the newspaper, well
Speaker 1: Twine wanted the newspaper, and they wanted Krista Creek donnuts.
Speaker 1: So He'll tried to come in there with some duncan.
Speaker 1: He came in there. He came in there jump one
Speaker 1: time late. He was about to cry dout because he
Speaker 1: was a super cheap person too. They was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I said, man, Josh fucked him.
Speaker 1: Don't get fine. You know what I'm saying, old want
Speaker 1: to fight, Man, I got your back. I ain't bringing
Speaker 1: for real. I ain't bringing for real Standford. He said, Shi, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are you doing it? Yeah? So uh he brought
Speaker 1: them things in there. Man, We taught so when he came,
Speaker 1: that was his that was his Uh, that was his job.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you what my job was. I
Speaker 1: was so young, man, I was just a guy that
Speaker 1: had they called it nighttime night out. I'm saying I
Speaker 1: was just man, you know yeah, yeah, man, pull up
Speaker 1: and pull up, young feller. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Drop that off and get on out of here. So
Speaker 1: we just gave him the little Christma creame detailing man.
Speaker 1: He came with some doing us one time things was
Speaker 1: man white man tried Man, I'm like, man, what the
Speaker 1: hell with tee? That's what got his damn ship? And
Speaker 1: he playing around and sit the guards was funny, like
Speaker 1: fucking funny. You know what I'm saying. That he came
Speaker 1: in thirteen pick. You know what I'm saying. You can't
Speaker 1: tell him shit. You know what I'm saying. He feels
Speaker 1: like he about to be the next point guard up.
Speaker 1: He coming that thing, man, think he ll be big.
Speaker 1: Wasn't doing stuff we told him to do. But we
Speaker 1: came in. Boy, we fried him. We didn't worst than teeth.
Speaker 1: That might have this mental too, that might have everyone dropped. Man,
Speaker 1: these nis was torrial. We were wed one time. Thing
Speaker 1: you remember y'all maybe were that costume on the plane.
Speaker 1: They did do that though he came with It was
Speaker 1: a bumble walking up and down leaving Man Cleveland Bruce
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee Bruce Lee body with the young fella was real,
Speaker 1: I said, young fellas. Yeah, it was like those like
Speaker 1: teams take that for granted. Man, these I don't know
Speaker 1: who made it where vets aren't on these teams and
Speaker 1: they making these young guys figure it out. Man, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's gonna be catastrophic to their lives.
Speaker 1: And it's seriously, man, seriously like to their lives because
Speaker 1: and to the team's lines. Because you gotta understand all like, look,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta, you gotta you gotta vet on
Speaker 1: the team, maybe twelve thirteen years in the league, maybe seven.
Speaker 1: He don't fucked up, man, He don't sucked up a
Speaker 1: bag before. You don't got it back, Yeah, he doesn't,
Speaker 1: got he don't, he don't. He don't dealt with the
Speaker 1: wrong females. He doesn't did this. And then the third
Speaker 1: he might have might have impregnated the wrong females. Now
Speaker 1: you gotta get hit over the head with a child supports.
Speaker 1: So yeah, these are the these are these are these
Speaker 1: are the stories, and these are the things that these
Speaker 1: young kids need, these young players need to have man
Speaker 1: in order in order for them to get get through
Speaker 1: their careers in their lives, because this is a real
Speaker 1: deal thing that they're not gonna see. And everybody is
Speaker 1: at everybody is a professional at the at the level
Speaker 1: of what they're saying at whether it's these females, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, these these these blue collar guys
Speaker 1: that's trying to trying to sell you dreams about you
Speaker 1: can make you can make uh if you get me
Speaker 1: two million, you can make one hundred million in seven years,
Speaker 1: shit like that, scam artists. And then you got you,
Speaker 1: you got these you got these car dealerships. That's that's
Speaker 1: in fluctuating the cars because they know you're paying extra
Speaker 1: twenty over the tab or extra fifty. You're not knowing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you really want a
Speaker 1: car and you don't know all these things about the
Speaker 1: jury and all this stuff about how this think, how
Speaker 1: that stuff goes. So these are things that these kids
Speaker 1: need to need to know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It ain't It ain't that the veteran is on the
Speaker 1: bench still of money like a Udonis haslem. He seriously though,
Speaker 1: seriously though, he's a guy that's he's a guy that's
Speaker 1: that's helping with emotional distress from teammates. And he's a
Speaker 1: therapist probably like he's a he's a coach on the
Speaker 1: on the court. He's probably a big brother. And you
Speaker 1: know when they when they get out of the locker room,
Speaker 1: like these these guys like that's why that that's why
Speaker 1: they look kind of more unified. I know, they got
Speaker 1: a structure and they gotta they got a certain type
Speaker 1: of where they go about it. They got a culture.
Speaker 1: But teams need at least one you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: at least one my life being up my team. I
Speaker 1: was the only rookie. Everybody was damn nurse five effects.
Speaker 1: So they were showing me the ropes, like he taught
Speaker 1: me how to move. Him and Joe they were similar,
Speaker 1: but Joe Johnson, so Joe moved real quiet. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: Joe was funny. Though Joe moved like I ain't sucking
Speaker 1: none of y'all. Yeah, Which it was cool though, like
Speaker 1: because it was like, but he was fucking with us.
Speaker 1: But it was like, man, I'm just gonna like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kick with my I'm gonna kick with my homeboys.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like like like he only did he did
Speaker 1: it one time and I might no sensitive dude. I
Speaker 1: just take it for what it is. Like, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: what we're doing to night? Man, we're going out, We're
Speaker 1: gonna go to compound. I'm like, okay, cool, let's go
Speaker 1: shit game over with him calling Niggatt answered you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, did ye do that? He don't don't ask,
Speaker 1: don't asker. So I'm like, I'm like, damn, Nigga, did answer.
Speaker 1: I pull up to the club anyway, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: just annoy me. You know you didn't play it off
Speaker 1: and shit. So I'm like, man, I ain't calling his ass.
Speaker 1: I just see his ass there he but no, I'm
Speaker 1: like if I said, you go, and he like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just get my own station next to him. And
Speaker 1: then I was going there, yeah, he getting free the
Speaker 1: benefits going to night, I'm going to But they taught
Speaker 1: me how to like move because smooth pep. He bring
Speaker 1: his people. Yeah, you have his sisters with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll have a good time and he'll do it right,
Speaker 1: like he'll make everybody feel comfortable. Like if I'm with
Speaker 1: my home boys, man, they're they're good. Come on, everybody
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. I'm like, damn, when I get some money,
Speaker 1: I'll make sure everybody comfortable. So I learned that from him.
Speaker 1: And then Joe's saying, way he brings all his people,
Speaker 1: the whole Arkansas with him. But I'm like, damn, just
Speaker 1: do that too, But they all they ain't o D
Speaker 1: That's what I respected. But I remember he told me
Speaker 1: not to be in his but he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I got a budget, And I was like, you got
Speaker 1: a budget, and at that time, I ain't. I ain't
Speaker 1: had no I had a budget, but my budget was
Speaker 1: very low and I'm looking at him like you said
Speaker 1: that was the things that you learned from learn from
Speaker 1: my ojez, you know, yeah. And I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be on thirty for thirty you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's real and that's just you know, that's just reality
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not feeling I'm like, man, I'll be damn.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If if they blessed me
Speaker 1: with all this and I do that, I'm not doing that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You told me you had
Speaker 1: a budget. I'm like, damn, you got a budget. It
Speaker 1: was I was like, I can go out because I
Speaker 1: got a budget. This is in my budget. I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I gotta get a budget so I can go out.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, I'm taking because the league always
Speaker 1: painted you to be just like O C. Yeah, facts like,
Speaker 1: always confrontational, so you would see basically how they was
Speaker 1: paying you. Man, Josh ain't gonna have shit in the
Speaker 1: next couple of years. You're gonna be out of the
Speaker 1: league that whole time, but playing you're sticking to it.
Speaker 1: That's why I respect you, bro, because I know you
Speaker 1: heard all that shit going on, all that smut they
Speaker 1: was putting on your name, yet you were still pushing
Speaker 1: through that shit. It's just I mean, I got into
Speaker 1: it with some coaches that had a lot of power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when you do that
Speaker 1: and you have a couple of disagreements, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you're but you're you're alpha male, they
Speaker 1: might get fearful and be like, oh, you're uncoachable, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But you're a great locker room guy.
Speaker 1: You're a great teammate, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: but you have these a couple of different spats with
Speaker 1: coaches like like I say, Mike Woodson, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like the first coach you know, Indian of
Speaker 1: the coach right now and with the reason why we
Speaker 1: used to get into us because I had a father
Speaker 1: growing up, you know what I'm saying. So I'm eighteen
Speaker 1: in the league and I got veterans that's helping me
Speaker 1: maneuver through my my life and watching and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm watching how they moving this. Then the third and
Speaker 1: then I got a coach that's trying to talk to
Speaker 1: me like he's my dad. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, coach me, don't talk to me
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. So I see how
Speaker 1: he's talking to everybody else. He just going in on me.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, brut like start talking to me like that.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. Like, now I got like, brahma,
Speaker 1: grown man, start talking to me like that. And I
Speaker 1: had a daughter. I start then when I had a daughter,
Speaker 1: I started becoming feeling like more of a man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And and now I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: it's a certain way you gotta approach the situation. Because
Speaker 1: I started having success and I started seeing the importance
Speaker 1: of the team, then what I was what I started
Speaker 1: becoming as far as like for the team, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I'm like man, like I just
Speaker 1: was like man, used to have a little back and
Speaker 1: forth because I'm like, bro, you can't talk to me
Speaker 1: like that. And no, mo brou like talking to me
Speaker 1: like that because I'm I'm gonna go hard for you regardless, Like,
Speaker 1: but don't use me in front of in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: Is like you're gonna be with my whooping boy, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like I'm not gonna do I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not. I wasn't. I wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about being sensitive. It was just like I'm not getting
Speaker 1: you're not gonna talk to me like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, just tell me what you want
Speaker 1: me to do. You know what I'm saying. You you
Speaker 1: you cuss at me, but tell me what you want
Speaker 1: me to do, Like, don't be cussing at me for
Speaker 1: some mind fuck type shit. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you're trying to fuck with my confidence and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, like don't don't do don't do that. So
Speaker 1: that that was the only kind of I think those
Speaker 1: kind of incidents because I never had any instance with
Speaker 1: my teammates as far as like be about to fight
Speaker 1: him or anything at all the time I got there,
Speaker 1: they had like a love hate relationship like Wood he
Speaker 1: loved this nigga, but he hated this nigga, and he
Speaker 1: like like I was like, why they why they do that?
Speaker 1: Like you know what, I'm like six years and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't give me the fuck. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, but you know, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you're younger, you don't you don't think about things. That's
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying, because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you're selfish. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because you're you're you're selfish because you're young, yourselfish, You
Speaker 1: got your own you got you got your money. So
Speaker 1: now you're becoming a man, and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You're starting to get get the things. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, You're starting to deal with deal with certain
Speaker 1: certain females. You know what I'm saying, right, and you
Speaker 1: know you're spelling yourself a little bit. So it's like
Speaker 1: you're becoming your own man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like however you want to handle
Speaker 1: it is how you gonna handle it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you know, some some of those some
Speaker 1: of those things, I wish I had a little bit
Speaker 1: more better temper about it, but I couldn't control that
Speaker 1: ship at that at that age. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't do it. And what's real is like
Speaker 1: I do media and stuff and it's so crazy, like
Speaker 1: being in like NBA practices and stuff, and like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, growing up, you hear about all
Speaker 1: altercations of people missed stuff, and then you're going to
Speaker 1: practice you'd be like, damn an asshole. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you can't talk to
Speaker 1: growing as men like this, and you'd be seeing it like,
Speaker 1: oh no, they had issues. Nah, he just don't know
Speaker 1: how to relax. And then you start seeing the business
Speaker 1: to basketball, and I start seeing it when I start,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, getting the practices and being
Speaker 1: around teams and stuff, and then you're getting to see
Speaker 1: how players act going into free agency. So for you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you're going through the term on Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It's all right, it's bad season time, I ain't playing
Speaker 1: with y'all. Who got this bad? How did you approach that?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. End up going to Detroit?
Speaker 1: Like was there another team who could have had you
Speaker 1: by chance? Or dude was like, who got the bag
Speaker 1: from me? That's what I'm well, I'm not even seeing
Speaker 1: a lot to you. It was like like he said,
Speaker 1: don't disrecredit his bad he got a couple backs. You
Speaker 1: gotta talk about the first back. I'm talking about first
Speaker 1: back from Atlanta. Now I'm talking the first time leaving
Speaker 1: the team though you shot the man. Stupid something that
Speaker 1: I got had that ship. Talk about coming on your
Speaker 1: having wars, I just gonna look like, damn Jesus shit,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get Someboddy boy. I'm gonna turn this
Speaker 1: motherfucker up. That was just backing the cat bro what
Speaker 1: it was not big then, No, I had my first
Speaker 1: car was a hell Cat. They already had him. I
Speaker 1: pulled up and I got on here. The whole team
Speaker 1: had him. So was that did you had him? So
Speaker 1: you always had a budget all the way through the
Speaker 1: real budget, Joe. I was never trying to compete. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: they just had bad. We got that ship and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's the one franchise and they gave
Speaker 1: me one twenty. I said, I can't nobody to touch him.
Speaker 1: That was like that's what you getting them type of numbers?
Speaker 1: That was. That was that was bag talk, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So damn it was from Atlanta, So
Speaker 1: you know he had that Atlanta like the Cote. It
Speaker 1: it was like that like Atlanta, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: like you know he y'all know he humble right now,
Speaker 1: but he's smooth. So he would go to the game
Speaker 1: and you see ta like smooth. What I'm like, damn
Speaker 1: he know tip you there, you'd be another person. So
Speaker 1: but like everybody knew smooth everybody, but they're already embracing
Speaker 1: you before the league. Nah, not really because they didn't
Speaker 1: know about me, you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: was kind of like you know, I was, I was young.
Speaker 1: People aren't going to like if you was a high
Speaker 1: school fan, you was going to those games. But but
Speaker 1: if if if you wasn't then or you wasn't into
Speaker 1: like basketball, you know, like as far as like nationally
Speaker 1: ranked players and stuff like that for high school. Nah,
Speaker 1: like not like like like you said, like, it wasn't
Speaker 1: no I g So yeah, it wasn't. How they can
Speaker 1: resonate with the the kids now, Like how the rappers
Speaker 1: were seeing Zion Williams and they said, what two chains
Speaker 1: went to that girls game out there in California? Yea
Speaker 1: ju Julia? So uh so they just saw you like shit,
Speaker 1: he wanted us. Yeah, but you know then ilay years
Speaker 1: so when when we when we started playing up in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, we made the playoffs, that's when I started
Speaker 1: getting recognition and and man, Danny Ferry Dog, it was
Speaker 1: like nine years bro, and it was it Uh comes
Speaker 1: to when you said about like hearing all the chattering stuff,
Speaker 1: and I heard it, and I was I was getting
Speaker 1: mentally fatigued on that shit. I ain't saying a lot
Speaker 1: to you. And I was like, man, I gotta I
Speaker 1: want to fresh start. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to fresh start. I want to try to
Speaker 1: shake this whatever, whatever kind of narrative they got on me,
Speaker 1: however they feel about me. I want to I want
Speaker 1: to break that, you know what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 1: had to talk. He was like, man, Danny was like, man,
Speaker 1: he just please give me one more. You can just wait,
Speaker 1: because he's like he didn't tell me he was fucking
Speaker 1: getting budded. I would have just said I was gonna wait.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Also, he was like, man, just
Speaker 1: can you just sitting wait? Please? Can just please just
Speaker 1: give me one more? Like just keep just I said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm done, Damn, Like I'm done, I'm ready. I like,
Speaker 1: So he tried to trade me and uh, he tried
Speaker 1: to trade me for somebody in Milwaukee, but it didn't
Speaker 1: it didn't, it didn't go through. And then after that,
Speaker 1: I just I went to I went to Detroit. I
Speaker 1: signed with Detroit after that. But I should have stayed though,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know if Bud was that good, Like
Speaker 1: if you would have told me, like, look, brou I'm
Speaker 1: getting this good ass coach. But like you know, I
Speaker 1: still I still see him to this day. Though I
Speaker 1: still see Danny Fair to this day. Uh. His son
Speaker 1: plays at pace uh paste down down there in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's a it's a it's a kid that's
Speaker 1: going to Michigan. Actually a little a young kid called
Speaker 1: Chris Anderson. He's like five eleven, yeah, go five eleven.
Speaker 1: But man Dad trained him like he like like Dre
Speaker 1: was like he got gang like the real like he
Speaker 1: was him. Yeah, like the jake he was, He's the
Speaker 1: real jack shutters were damn damn like like the man
Speaker 1: get the bay, get up. Like as far as like
Speaker 1: training him, how you just trained him since he was seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the man, the kid really dedicated his life to basketball.
Speaker 1: But I'll be watching him like they they got real rivals.
Speaker 1: So I watched him playing there. That's how I'll be
Speaker 1: bumping into Danny Ferry every like I bumping him. But
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Corver's kids go there. Shout to Kyle Korver.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Kyle Korver. He be hating on Kyle
Speaker 1: Korver and uh yeah, he be hating on Kyle Cover
Speaker 1: respect a star yeah he oh he was awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you forgot you should have been All Star
Speaker 1: that one year. Man, It's like they want to snub you,
Speaker 1: but then they don't. They want to snub you, and
Speaker 1: then they don't want you to react how you want
Speaker 1: to react, like, don't say shit about they was Broyeah.
Speaker 1: So when I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm in my feelings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like I'm really in my feelings. Dog like they
Speaker 1: it's like they set up people's careers how they want
Speaker 1: to set them up. I'm I believe that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But Mike Baby shout out to him
Speaker 1: once again. Man, he got my head back on right
Speaker 1: when I was kind of out. It was I still
Speaker 1: had a hit list after after the ship came out,
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna tell these teams to fuck up. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like any team that we're playing
Speaker 1: against him a dog. So he was like, man, fuck
Speaker 1: that all star shit. Man. So I'm like what you mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's like, man, fuck that shit, bro. Shit
Speaker 1: if they pay you like all star shit, who gives
Speaker 1: a fuck talking about it? So I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: from right, I'm like you right, because I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: you didn't get one. He's like, no, no, I didn't
Speaker 1: give me one because I thought he was at least one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least one in secondment when he had Chris Webber
Speaker 1: and Chris didn't those guys and they had a wiggyout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he never gets it. Was making that over him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah. So I'm like, damn, I'm like he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this shit. I remember this year, like all right, yesterday,
Speaker 1: I remember it. They said smooth, don't shoot no threes.
Speaker 1: You remember y'all made it. They made a bet and
Speaker 1: he would I swear he had take one step in
Speaker 1: every time. I was like, I was like, he crazy.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? Bro? I always wondered why you
Speaker 1: shot him shots like that? It was that one year,
Speaker 1: but he was crazy cry talking about the three. I'm like,
Speaker 1: smooth and make the All Star team. And that's when
Speaker 1: Is that the year when Joe had got hurt. Yep,
Speaker 1: Joe got hurt and IL got hurt and we still
Speaker 1: was like third and I thought he was They didn't
Speaker 1: make any give it to me. Was nobody made it out,
Speaker 1: nobody made it for my team, and he was he
Speaker 1: was stepping in. I was like, damn, he gonna make
Speaker 1: it this year. I was like, I'm going with him
Speaker 1: where he go. I'm going, we're gonna be takeing. I
Speaker 1: was taking that was my own Tashwhite too though, man.
Speaker 1: And then and then somebody got hurt and I still
Speaker 1: didn't make it. They put Jared Wallace in. I was like,
Speaker 1: they don't like. I don't like. And then they doubled
Speaker 1: down the next year, and but it was it was
Speaker 1: when I when it made me kind of like, I'm
Speaker 1: like it'll be all right. When I seen Al Horford
Speaker 1: face like he was sick and he made it, was like, damn,
Speaker 1: all this shit fucked up. He's like, this shit fucked up. Bro,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. I'm like, I'm like, it's all good, bro.
Speaker 1: As long as one of us make it. And I
Speaker 1: was truly not a hater. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just gonna take this time to God's
Speaker 1: probably telling me to rest my body. Take take this
Speaker 1: time and spence sp you know, going back with yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, my wife and my kids.
Speaker 1: Because he was a motherfucking villain in the NBA. That's
Speaker 1: why I felt like, man, this nigga going through the league.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm doing because it was like that
Speaker 1: era of that though, I really got to think about,
Speaker 1: like that's the that's the era came in and then
Speaker 1: I was like kind of trying to soften it up
Speaker 1: a little bit and I was still rough around edge like,
Speaker 1: but it was just like Rondo though, like Ben Rondo
Speaker 1: can't tell you why he don't like a point guard
Speaker 1: in the NBA he hates like he was. It was
Speaker 1: just like that, like fuck this nigga. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: why oh yeah, you cool with T. I said, Nigga,
Speaker 1: this niggas my T. I want me to do that.
Speaker 1: I was about to tell this story that's not perfect.
Speaker 1: Everybody though, this is a perfect story because we're playing
Speaker 1: the Celtics and I'm having a cool game, and Kurt
Speaker 1: had just came to the team, was like, hey, throw
Speaker 1: it back sometimes, like throw it back, like when you're
Speaker 1: driving down the lane, they staying with you, throw it back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I ain't throw it back like two times.
Speaker 1: So nigga was like, I ain't. Motherfucker. They staying what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, So I'm kind of ignoring me. Was like, hey,
Speaker 1: so being Smooth had this kind of relationship on the
Speaker 1: court like it'll d put put Curt in man, this
Speaker 1: nigket tripping. So I'm like, I get mad as Hill
Speaker 1: you know what's talking about. I get some mad. I'm
Speaker 1: like crying looking at he like they looking at me like, man,
Speaker 1: get there like that. So I get a still and
Speaker 1: I dunk on real. Yeah, the only nigga behind me
Speaker 1: is Smooth. You smack your back like yelling at each other.
Speaker 1: I'm like that for real, Like I'm gonna get all
Speaker 1: you like just like my team now. And uh I
Speaker 1: love I thank God, my my my. My parents are
Speaker 1: cool with me, like because I get on the assy,
Speaker 1: I get on their kids ass dog when they when
Speaker 1: they mess up, even my fourth grade, Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you doing so like they look at at me and
Speaker 1: then but then when they when they do something good,
Speaker 1: I'm praising. I'm the first one you got a little
Speaker 1: praising them. You know what I'm saying because I want
Speaker 1: to see them do good. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like shit, I don't you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: people don't understand that type of relationship that you gotta have.
Speaker 1: It's like a little brother Like how you seen Jordan
Speaker 1: Pool when they came in the tunnel, he threw the
Speaker 1: Him and Steph Curry hugged each other. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's so so sensitive right now, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with I don't know what why the
Speaker 1: world is so sensitive. I don't know if because so
Speaker 1: many people have to have a voice to be opinionated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like is bro And I think I say whatever I want,
Speaker 1: But I know, but I understand, Like I don't believe
Speaker 1: everything should be water dawn, but I think we start,
Speaker 1: we do need to start paying attention more to people's
Speaker 1: feelings when it comes to certain ships, Like yeah, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: it soft like when it comes to the NBA. They
Speaker 1: shouldn't water it down. And that's what I say, Like,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's in my house like my stepson, Nigga's he can take.
Speaker 1: He can take it from anybody if you use his
Speaker 1: coaches saying since your motherfucking ass damn he heard that
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah, I talk. Get them mother fucking dishes done,
Speaker 1: my nigg get the trash down. It's like so with you.
Speaker 1: He feels like nig he can build that relationship as
Speaker 1: long as you love them. Yeah, that's the same thing
Speaker 1: with my kids, Like I don't I want I'm raising
Speaker 1: them like kind of tough love and I don't want
Speaker 1: them raise him. It's entitled individuals. Yeah, you know that,
Speaker 1: they know that privilege, but I want to. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: on the ass though, you know what I'm saying because
Speaker 1: and when it comes to their sports, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: their biggest critic first because I want them to. I
Speaker 1: want them to. I don't want nobody to hurt their feelings.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want them to be
Speaker 1: ready for it. This is what you got going on.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna tell you if they really care about you,
Speaker 1: They're gonna tell you what's going on? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What's crying so much? Though, when it comes
Speaker 1: to these these these NBA players are like, you know,
Speaker 1: like your feelings want to get hurt and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Go see a therapist. Yeah, you're making millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: Go pay for you to see a therapist so you
Speaker 1: can talk about that shit in there. But when you
Speaker 1: come to this court, dog, I need a man. I
Speaker 1: need a grown ass man, bro or I need a
Speaker 1: grown ass man that's gonna understand why I'm talking to
Speaker 1: you this way when you when you're sucking up, I
Speaker 1: don't need you to be like, man, why are you
Speaker 1: talking to me like that? And you're making forty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year? Talk about it? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. It's a different time though,
Speaker 1: as long as you as long as you not, I
Speaker 1: might think you understand it is And I see it
Speaker 1: and I see it though like I see it, I
Speaker 1: see like shout out the to the head coach with Cleveland,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he's jb Iss, he's
Speaker 1: one of the one of the great ones in his
Speaker 1: in this game and I'm kind of mentoring him a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I've been going to Cleveland games. I've
Speaker 1: been going up to the Cleveland for like the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. Okay, and coach move you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, manifesting it, you know, talk about it. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm seeing how he
Speaker 1: how he's talking to his his players, and how he
Speaker 1: gets them to relate, and how he gets the best
Speaker 1: out of him because i mean, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was in Houston, my favorite coach in the NBA was
Speaker 1: Kevin mckill. Oh you know, yeah, for sure, hands down,
Speaker 1: he wasn't That's when I made it to the Western
Speaker 1: Conference with him. West Conference Finals. Oh we got we
Speaker 1: gotta talk about that. Yeah, one of the craziest basketball
Speaker 1: series of all time. Yeah, for sure, we can get
Speaker 1: to it. But shout the coach. He was always assistant
Speaker 1: under Kevin mckill. So he was like he was a
Speaker 1: JB's more excess and those. But Kevin mckill was like
Speaker 1: super relatable to his to his players, he wasn't really
Speaker 1: excell and those. He was a players coach, okay, but
Speaker 1: so he would get the best out of you and
Speaker 1: and the JB. I guess took some of that lot
Speaker 1: knowledge with him and then mixed his his his excess
Speaker 1: and those with it. And he's a coach year today.
Speaker 1: But I'm watching him how he relation talks to this team.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but it's it's kind of like I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. Like you said, it's it's it's it's different,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it's different because you
Speaker 1: don't have a veteran on the team to help help
Speaker 1: their young kid understand why the kid why the coach
Speaker 1: is talking to him like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like my experience is working in the league. Man, you
Speaker 1: get on some of these guys, you might not have
Speaker 1: a job in the morning, being real, Like, you get
Speaker 1: on some of them guys who the star players you like,
Speaker 1: bad side the ownership, they're going with the player every
Speaker 1: team place. So I understand why it's kind of sensitive
Speaker 1: and damn damn, that's crazy. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: coaching matters and not even more or less X and os,
Speaker 1: But how you manage me because like in this league
Speaker 1: you've grown, ask me and most of these players on
Speaker 1: the bench make way more money than the coach. It's
Speaker 1: like you need to get the best out of these
Speaker 1: players by relating and talking not talking down. And you
Speaker 1: see it like the transition to the NBA with coaches now,
Speaker 1: like some of them older coaches, like the George Cross
Speaker 1: some situations that shit not fly on no more like
Speaker 1: it didn't even George carl though. I mean, but I
Speaker 1: mean just like the same time tis I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: but he don't. But it's like it's like, like you said,
Speaker 1: you gotta relate though, yeah, you can't be like you
Speaker 1: can't be socially awkward with this with this new generation. Dog,
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to pop pop your ship with them. Dog,
Speaker 1: you got to broy they they're looking at it. He
Speaker 1: would have loved it. No, you know why you would
Speaker 1: have loved him. He wasn't gonna take your ass out.
Speaker 1: And you know he's playing forty. You're playing for As
Speaker 1: a player, when you in the game, you really don't
Speaker 1: want to come out, like you don't want to come
Speaker 1: out to that next morning, Like damn, I played forty.
Speaker 1: But as a player, when you in the game, like
Speaker 1: to get all my stats. Team, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about relatable though, as far as being
Speaker 1: relatable to these kids that they you can tell he getting.
Speaker 1: He coaching a whole bunch of sensitive players though, because
Speaker 1: it's like they want to they go on the wooden Street.
Speaker 1: Then they'll lose games. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that shit matter. But look, he's not relatable to Relationships
Speaker 1: are key. I always talk about that ship like your
Speaker 1: locker room. Say everything about how y'all gonna play on
Speaker 1: the court don't matter, bro. So if your coach ain't
Speaker 1: really rocking, and it goes from the coach, that's why
Speaker 1: I'll be telling my pop to go to me. Because
Speaker 1: he got Tim Duncan. He was on Tim duncan ass
Speaker 1: so much. Everybody else had a fall in line, bro,
Speaker 1: And it's showing you how much how much more cold
Speaker 1: he is because it's like a lot of players did
Speaker 1: not like Tony Parker no at all. Yes, everybody he
Speaker 1: was smashing, smashing teammates hate wild that the championships up
Speaker 1: bows in the club, wild boy, it wasn't no budget
Speaker 1: when TPS no budget, man, that's crazy. Everybody comes out
Speaker 1: there like, yeah Tony parks like damn, but was hoping
Speaker 1: I'm winning championships, winning for it was nothing. That's crazy. Really,
Speaker 1: you ain't really hearing nobody to talk bad on the
Speaker 1: championship winning team. Like teammates like that're like you said it, bro,
Speaker 1: it's up on this right right. And I feel bad
Speaker 1: for Jacks. He's been saying it for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to say to Park, but Mary went
Speaker 1: on the coast side. That's tough. Like you say, how
Speaker 1: you treat your rookies mattering a long time because you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the Paragon ship, You're gonna get better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you gotta give it to him though, Like that's
Speaker 1: why I say antin walk Over, I'll Harrington, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because all Harrington was there with me,
Speaker 1: but he was focusing on He was like you said
Speaker 1: he was going to his his his free agent year.
Speaker 1: Who's going to his freging year where he was trying
Speaker 1: to get the bag, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: a legend he was. He was like, fuck you, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get this bad because you was coming to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, you'll figure it out. That's rock. With that,
Speaker 1: mccaulla left and then I was there alone by myself
Speaker 1: like the rest of my life. When they when they
Speaker 1: traded him back to Boston, it was having that good
Speaker 1: little right he did. He wasn't there, and when they
Speaker 1: trade him back up to Boston, I forgot about halfway
Speaker 1: through my my rookie year. Damn, now it'd be like
Speaker 1: that stuff. I was just with my I was with
Speaker 1: like Royal Ivy and dart Tey Smith. Yea, damn I
Speaker 1: have in Texas legend. Yeah, talk about it. We was
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We was more relatable. We
Speaker 1: was more like kind of more relatable with each other.
Speaker 1: Josh was like from Stanford, you know. So yeah he
Speaker 1: had he had that bread, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he was just he was on his own type,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But we was all kind
Speaker 1: of were still all cool and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 1: I still talked to Josh to this day. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, doing good in real estate up there.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this bro. So we already talked
Speaker 1: about the budget. I just want to know, like you
Speaker 1: know y'all was doing y'all thing, what was the best
Speaker 1: city to go out too? Like go out in like
Speaker 1: on the road, like man, like y'all were going we
Speaker 1: win tonight, it's going out. It was a story. It
Speaker 1: was a story. Man. We all went out. The baby
Speaker 1: made us all go out of Miami. Dog, you see
Speaker 1: the Toronto with about Toronto. Toronto number one for sure,
Speaker 1: but like as far as like Toronto and Miami. So
Speaker 1: you got Miami. You know, Miami's like, don't see there,
Speaker 1: don't sleep. But it was like a man he got,
Speaker 1: he got the whole team drunk that day. Dog, I
Speaker 1: think somebody got. I think Solomon Jones was you tell
Speaker 1: that was New York? That was New York. But he plane, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I cussed everybody out. I was mad. I cussed everybody
Speaker 1: all around. Man, he might be dead hang over now
Speaker 1: they tell me this. So the next year we go
Speaker 1: out in Miami. Is my rookie year. Yeah, and he like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't go out with baby. I'm like, He's like, you
Speaker 1: don't go out with baby in Miami. He was like,
Speaker 1: niggas missed the plane all type of stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I went anywhere. Everybody he because he he when
Speaker 1: I when I got my first check, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: black congratulations. He's like shit, I ain't got to spend
Speaker 1: my money no more. He's like, I'm with you. He say, shit,
Speaker 1: you know no, you know how to go. He's like,
Speaker 1: you got the bag now, you know the best. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of the veteran. You gotta take
Speaker 1: care of me. I said, man, come home. Bro. Every time,
Speaker 1: every time I see Bro, I need to bottle of bill.
Speaker 1: But there, he said that ship. I seen nobody's bout
Speaker 1: that thing. He had, grabbed the bottle, put it right
Speaker 1: in his back pocket. Dog. Yeah, yeah, like a couple
Speaker 1: of a couple of cranberry juice and then another couple
Speaker 1: of bill, so he'll be That's exactly how he looked
Speaker 1: the whole night. He had everybody on the two cup
Speaker 1: one night, but he everybody was faded. Miami was Miami
Speaker 1: was definitely one of those one of those places, though,
Speaker 1: I gotta man, I gotta talk about it, man, one
Speaker 1: of the most I kind of okay, get your off.
Speaker 1: My man took me out of Houston the first time.
Speaker 1: I ain't never been nowhere. You know, all I've ever
Speaker 1: been was Indianapolis. Wake for us. He takes me my
Speaker 1: first time. He's like, are you coming with me? You
Speaker 1: come with me. I'm like, where are we going? He
Speaker 1: was like, just shut up, you're coming with me. We
Speaker 1: go out of Houston. I'm like, hey, I'm moving to
Speaker 1: Houston in college. That how wish I wish my bidding
Speaker 1: was just gave me everything. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: put it out on the table for me, Like let
Speaker 1: me see anything. You know what I'm saying. But they
Speaker 1: you know, some of these some of these players beat
Speaker 1: some of these some of these kids be fumbling the
Speaker 1: bag though, like they'll they'll put one in somebody on
Speaker 1: me it ain't the right one, and then they want
Speaker 1: to blame. You say, somebody want to blame man. I
Speaker 1: ain't tell him to do all that trying to comment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I dry. He took me out, Man, and then he
Speaker 1: got back to the Lennen and bought me. I shot,
Speaker 1: you gotta have some of your wrists when we go out,
Speaker 1: I said, shiit was this a ti okay, Josh. He
Speaker 1: had a key of that college. But to the top,
Speaker 1: I was taking his weekend. I'm hearing about man. Man
Speaker 1: was political went on tour with the weekend for Showman.
Speaker 1: Rod went on roll I had no money, Man. He
Speaker 1: was still a real digger for taking my nigger out
Speaker 1: to man, he bought me my second thing from Louis
Speaker 1: Marvin bought me my first. He bought myself. I went
Speaker 1: with and he like, men, you ain't got a wallet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you can't be out. He pulled my
Speaker 1: man out. Had Yeah, I had the high school I
Speaker 1: definitely did. They showed me a little man. They got
Speaker 1: me right man. Yeah, I think I got him a
Speaker 1: couple pair of suits. Ah, he did. That's why I like.
Speaker 1: I like when they first call, got to give him
Speaker 1: some suits. Man got shown. I had to lead dress
Speaker 1: called then too. Then y'all. Yeah, but I just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had that. We definitely had that. Damn So man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, career continues you in Houston?
Speaker 1: First of all, how was it like living in Houston
Speaker 1: and playing in Houston? Like I imagine what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: maybe a little later, your career a little bit more,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, as mature, but still you
Speaker 1: in that city and that vibe. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: James Hard going crazy, Like, how was that season for y'all?
Speaker 1: Because that's one of the most important NBA like series
Speaker 1: that ever happened, because that changed the franchise after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was amazing, man. I mean, you know Atlanta, you
Speaker 1: know from there, born and raised. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it to death. But the fan base was just
Speaker 1: so wishy washy was it was kind of hard to
Speaker 1: kind of get up to play for games sometimes at
Speaker 1: home because you know, you knew what type of crowd
Speaker 1: that you was gonna have to face. Lebron could be
Speaker 1: in the Knicks, you know what I'm saying. Or Chicago,
Speaker 1: You're like, like it was so many people from from
Speaker 1: New York down there that live in Atlanta, like so
Speaker 1: it's like it would be like a split, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You got the Boston, the Boston, the Lakers.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, we was doing so when
Speaker 1: I went to Houston, it was just nothing but Houston fans,
Speaker 1: damn like and they was like they die hard fans,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, so like you know
Speaker 1: we had that, you know, they had DWIGHTE and James
Speaker 1: Like it was like them they're like almost like sold
Speaker 1: out every day. And then when I came, it was
Speaker 1: like turned up even more, like they embraced me with
Speaker 1: so with so much open arms. When I got away
Speaker 1: from when I got away from Detroit with stand you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, st Yeah, stand the man. I
Speaker 1: laugh every time. Everything though they gave him like they
Speaker 1: gave him complete everything when they were up there. So
Speaker 1: they gave him like the GM president. Uh, every coach,
Speaker 1: he was all three and one son. When he came,
Speaker 1: he fired everybody. He was blowing up everything. You know,
Speaker 1: I knew I was about to. I knew I was
Speaker 1: going too because I didn't. I wasn't his guy. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't recruit me up there. So after they fired
Speaker 1: Joe Dumars, I knew I was gone. So that didn't work. No,
Speaker 1: But Houston was amazing though. They let you be yourself.
Speaker 1: James had that. James had the organization turned. He had
Speaker 1: the organization and the fans turned like Jason Terry like
Speaker 1: that was a real nigga tine. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the money units. We had a Corey Brewer. We used
Speaker 1: to always gamble like but they used to gamble for
Speaker 1: the big money. Terrence Jones. But they introduced me to
Speaker 1: that FIFA. I started playing FIFA because James was real
Speaker 1: heavy and at FIFA Clint Cappella was there. We had
Speaker 1: that's when Clint was super young. Couldn't gain away. He
Speaker 1: was just bouncing, dunking everything that had a whip man.
Speaker 1: We had a whip had a nice ass team. How
Speaker 1: was that serious? Though? Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: back against the wild up and downs during that series,
Speaker 1: not for real. I think we was like down obviously
Speaker 1: it was one one. It was like three one. He
Speaker 1: was down three one. Yeah, and uh Man arguing. It
Speaker 1: was like a lot of arguing in the gap there,
Speaker 1: like going back and forth. Uh Me and Dwhite got
Speaker 1: into it one time. Ship the white, I mean changing
Speaker 1: the white fucking uh Man. We was just trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. But Jason Terry Man the glue that's hard,
Speaker 1: the glue that kept that ship going. He was super
Speaker 1: positive every day. Man. Man, we was because you, like
Speaker 1: I said, we couldn't. You know, Kevin mckill was a
Speaker 1: great you know what I'm saying, players coaching as far
Speaker 1: as X and nos, trying to like make adjustments, he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't as good at doing that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we would be on the planes after
Speaker 1: those games like hey man, we need to do this,
Speaker 1: like breaking this ship down, Like why are we playing
Speaker 1: cards with each other? It'll be like me Corey Brewer,
Speaker 1: Trevor Reaser be He'll be like right there watching he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing, James, and then like the white is just
Speaker 1: be sitting like he'll be sitting in the like sitting
Speaker 1: right there, just like acting like he can't listening, but
Speaker 1: he listening or not. No, no matter of fact, no, James,
Speaker 1: I mean, because he'll be in his feeling so he was.
Speaker 1: He'll always like he'll be in this. He'll be like
Speaker 1: in the back with like the stewardess and ship, but
Speaker 1: he'll be acting like his back hurt, like he needs
Speaker 1: to lay down. So he'll like be back there laying
Speaker 1: down being his grown man feeling. And we'll we're gonna
Speaker 1: get him going. Look this, look John, what you do?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He putting the play together,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So we like we putting
Speaker 1: that shit together. And then he said, they're gonna let
Speaker 1: us win this. They're gonna let us win this game
Speaker 1: because they want to try to close out at home,
Speaker 1: so they just gonna dal the ass out for this
Speaker 1: game five, and then and then and we got to
Speaker 1: figure it out game six. So we dig the ass
Speaker 1: out game five. It's like a game whatever. And then
Speaker 1: they already talking about they going to the They're going
Speaker 1: to the Western Conference Finals. It's basically over with. So
Speaker 1: they're trying to use that ship as click bait for us,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna get us geared up. And shit, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there. I'm just sitting there stairs there
Speaker 1: practice right, We're at the Lakers facility. So they're trying
Speaker 1: to have like a Komba y'a moment, like what were
Speaker 1: we talking about? I said, man, let's just fucking just
Speaker 1: go out here and shoot. Man. Fuck, let's go like,
Speaker 1: ain't nothing to talk about it. We're gonna get our
Speaker 1: ass beat. We're gonna fucking win and go to Game
Speaker 1: seven at home. So they came out dragging that shit,
Speaker 1: gave out dragging. They came out dragging this dog. So
Speaker 1: so when they was, they came out dragging this and
Speaker 1: and like you can see kind of like James kind
Speaker 1: of been like, shit, I'm cool. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: stay here, you know what I'm say. From here? From
Speaker 1: there so he looking like shit, he cool. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, fuck this ship. So Kevin mckills
Speaker 1: took him out, sous people in we go on the run,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like crazy being Brewer, just
Speaker 1: going to food in the fourth coming back and see
Speaker 1: what people don't see is like the gym, Derrick Moyer
Speaker 1: and the owner like at the time, they like, put
Speaker 1: Jack's back in. Put James back in. Kevin's like, I
Speaker 1: got you one second, one second, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: put back here? They hot. So you see that. I
Speaker 1: think that's what took of effect the member to member.
Speaker 1: He only twenty games until the next year season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I got rid of him. But it's like, man,
Speaker 1: man took out to the Western Conference finals, y'all do
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah, that shit playing. Yeah they getting they
Speaker 1: got maga put him back in. But like man, like,
Speaker 1: what are you suxpected to do with when your team
Speaker 1: going y'all on the road. Yeah that we go to
Speaker 1: Game seven, James closed it out for us. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: closed it out. That's what the normal fan doesn't understand, though,
Speaker 1: what you said, like a stance, we're not knowing that
Speaker 1: Kevin mckill is getting you know, push, trying to use him.
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be telling him at my name just
Speaker 1: coach after the game, right man nay and that day
Speaker 1: and then they was like and the reason why I
Speaker 1: didn't know because I'm so locked in in the game.
Speaker 1: You know, you got people in the stands. Yea, they like, man,
Speaker 1: the man neighborhood. They're going crazy. I'm like, what what
Speaker 1: was that feeling like though, Like when you got that wrong, because,
Speaker 1: like like you said, from high school, people telling you
Speaker 1: not to shoot jump yeah, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: one of the best feelings in the world because you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta coaches like I don't care about
Speaker 1: your shooting jump shot. I just shoot more in practice,
Speaker 1: like you know, that's what he was saying, like, Man,
Speaker 1: I want you to shoot threes. I want you, but
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, shoot make make you two
Speaker 1: hundred after practice. Yeah, so I started to make three hundred,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, So I'm watching how
Speaker 1: James hard and working. He working extra time over over time.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just you know, I'm like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: see he's younger than me, but I'm getting I'm getting
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, young nigger working hard. Yeah, so I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I gotta go pick my shit up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So now I'm like and then and then
Speaker 1: we was all everybody was staying after like Trevor Rees,
Speaker 1: Jason Terry old older than all of us staying. So
Speaker 1: it was like a camaraderie that we had built amongst
Speaker 1: each other by and we bought into what we had
Speaker 1: going on, you know what I'm saying, Like we we
Speaker 1: just all bought in, like we just we just had
Speaker 1: a young like I think like Patrick Beverley was was hurt,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he would have stopped Steph Curry Man.
Speaker 1: We but we had like we had Pablo, Oh, Pablo
Speaker 1: shout out to Pablo and uh and we had a
Speaker 1: h Jason the jet Man, Jason Tirey. Those were point
Speaker 1: guards for the Western Coppers. Finally, Yea was in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: step it was hard. Yeah, it was hard to win.
Speaker 1: It was hard to win out there. That's hard, man.
Speaker 1: But before we got here, do a couple of rapper
Speaker 1: fire questions. Know what I'm saying, It's called something or nothing.
Speaker 1: Basically if you're something, You fucking with it? If you're nothing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lebron James the best basketball player of all time? You're something?
Speaker 1: Or you nothing? I'm nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. I'm not
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Yeah you nothing? Yeah? If he what's up? You?
Speaker 1: You mind me with something? You're nothing? You know? I
Speaker 1: want to keep this going. I like this like this.
Speaker 1: Let's say I'm gonna say Jordan. You're gonna say Jordan.
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with Jordan too. But I think if Lebron
Speaker 1: get another ring and he got that scoring title, we
Speaker 1: gotta talk about it. He's not getting another ring, you
Speaker 1: don't think so? He too infactuated with playing with his son. Damn.
Speaker 1: So that's hard though. Which is gonna be historic? It's
Speaker 1: gonna be historic, you know what I'm saying. But depending
Speaker 1: on what team is just son go to it? How good?
Speaker 1: How good are they're gonna be? It ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: lost as Lakers. You're right, this name has just been
Speaker 1: playing basketball y'all for so long. You've been killing you
Speaker 1: got a kind of hard saying Jordan is better than
Speaker 1: what you got to think about? What if? What if
Speaker 1: Jordan's then just stop playing to play baseball? Whose dude,
Speaker 1: does the man just said, Hey, man, I'm just let
Speaker 1: me go, let me go ahead, and let me go
Speaker 1: ahead and just fulfill my fantasy or playing the basket
Speaker 1: being a baseball playing doing what me and my dad
Speaker 1: talked about. But in his prime, my only pushback pushback
Speaker 1: to you smooth talk to me on nasty. Look which
Speaker 1: this nigga brin, Bro, he didn't change the name of
Speaker 1: the game though twenty years Bro, he damned his stats.
Speaker 1: Damn there got better. This nigga is a better shooter
Speaker 1: now earlier. But I'm just saying, yeah, but he changed.
Speaker 1: He also changed the game. Bro. Do you think do
Speaker 1: you think long term contracts is short term contracts is
Speaker 1: good for the game short term? So you think of man,
Speaker 1: you think you think a player wouldn't won a five
Speaker 1: year deal over three or two year deal? No? Not
Speaker 1: actually smart that muf How we how we structuring that
Speaker 1: bitch though? Is it? Do I got a two year
Speaker 1: fifty like Brinn? No? No, So what I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: maybe like, okay, give me something. I'm with you, give
Speaker 1: me something years hundred million, Okay, what you can say
Speaker 1: five years one twenty right? Yeah, like two years sixty million,
Speaker 1: to me. No, I want the fire to me, I
Speaker 1: mean the fire if you do the two years, that
Speaker 1: mean if you if you're a max player, your max
Speaker 1: gonna be higher. Yeah, so that's I want. I want
Speaker 1: the one twenty. That's because you want the stability you want. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're a max player, like oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: if we bron yeah, get it out of the way.
Speaker 1: Another one two years three. Now you know he the
Speaker 1: one who changed the contracts of the NBA. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. But like I said, if
Speaker 1: we're doing some bron ship, now, if you get me,
Speaker 1: god damn it, two years twenty four. Paul stretched me
Speaker 1: out for the for the five year whatever. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, bro, that shit just in you in this.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're talking about this because I don't really
Speaker 1: like players that bet on theirselfs too much, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because I want, yeah, secure the bag bro. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I mean, okay, granted a player wants
Speaker 1: to two three year deals, right, but like a I mean,
Speaker 1: even though it is a business, teams would probably want
Speaker 1: to see like more loyalty out of a player than like,
Speaker 1: let me get this two years. But let me get
Speaker 1: a player option my second year. That's tough, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you signed that five year one twenty.
Speaker 1: Like Jeremy Grant in this situation right now, he just
Speaker 1: got offered five years like one fourteen. You gotta take that.
Speaker 1: I mean, four years one fourteen. He turned it down though,
Speaker 1: but he got tripping. Now he got the he got
Speaker 1: the option. They can offer him and forget. They can
Speaker 1: offer him five years up to two sixty. He's not
Speaker 1: getting that. I'm not saying you, but think about it.
Speaker 1: You can go in the free agency to get five
Speaker 1: years one seventy. Yeah, but listen though, right, okay, fourteen, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Right, that's that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1: But I want to know what the percentages are when
Speaker 1: people turn their ship down and get spy and the
Speaker 1: ship gets spooky for him, or they turn it down
Speaker 1: and it works in their favor. I don't want to
Speaker 1: know what the percentages are. Like with with John Collins,
Speaker 1: we turned that ninety down, but they went to the
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals, that's what That's how he was able
Speaker 1: to get that one twenty. So oh yeah, but Portland.
Speaker 1: Portland is not a Portland. I need. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: that one fourteen because I'm looking like, man, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna We're not like no championship type of team. We
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta. I gotta show something in the playoffs
Speaker 1: before for me to get this two sixty. But they
Speaker 1: already offer you one fourteen, but they don't get players.
Speaker 1: That's true. They already kind of like, damn, we need
Speaker 1: him to stay. That's true. Now you kind of got
Speaker 1: him like I'm a gambling nigga, five one thirteen, and
Speaker 1: what Jeffrey just said, I could get to sixty, you're
Speaker 1: gonna try to sixty. I don't even want to six.
Speaker 1: Never if I get the five one seventy five eight,
Speaker 1: you said, ain't gonna lie the ninety to one twenty
Speaker 1: the ninety. But for every told you they off me.
Speaker 1: I'm not sweating, going to be sweat but will under pressure.
Speaker 1: They lets you know, John Collins works will under pressure
Speaker 1: because think about it, but he bullishit. He's been bullishitt
Speaker 1: They say we're gonna trade you away. That nigga been cooking.
Speaker 1: Understand me, that been cooking three fishing nig but the
Speaker 1: he worked well for every John Collins, you get another's No,
Speaker 1: will you get Isaiah Thomas? See what I'm saying, how
Speaker 1: sick is nerveless? No? Will how si t bro? I
Speaker 1: know he's sick. Bro. What I turned down though the
Speaker 1: mas like sixty though? No, No, it was like a
Speaker 1: small band. It was a small band. It was a
Speaker 1: Hunter guaranteed he would have signed that too. Was him
Speaker 1: getting hurt? Yeah? I thought it was Lisa Hunter. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if he got offered the extension, but
Speaker 1: because he was, it was like it was like a
Speaker 1: small window. It wasn't like your boy though. No, ner
Speaker 1: seventy stroulder, You got Victor Shoulder trying to stroulder vic
Speaker 1: vic stroller from Indian So what do you do? He
Speaker 1: turned down that that good three year that's stability you
Speaker 1: wanted to get in Miami. I feel you look at
Speaker 1: it in Miami looked differently. You can't got hurt. It's
Speaker 1: hard bout that'd be people be fooling, you know, Like, man, listen,
Speaker 1: I can live in Indiana, man, ship man that bottle
Speaker 1: right there, one hundred dollars in the club. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Come on, man, keep come on, A
Speaker 1: thousand dollars six hund dollars in Atlanta. Man, this is
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. Man, I can't beat that shit. Man.
Speaker 1: You my really hanging out often? Am I really hanging
Speaker 1: out for I'm gonna be in the house you see
Speaker 1: where I live? Hold on saying how much that is
Speaker 1: in Atlanta? Man? About seven eight hundred dollars? Here that
Speaker 1: with hook and see what I'm man? You the man
Speaker 1: out here. Man, You're the man. You are the man.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? So like you got to
Speaker 1: think about that type of ship, all that bushit. I
Speaker 1: want no state taxes. It's no state tax, property taxes
Speaker 1: where they're gonna smack you all. You go down to
Speaker 1: the South Beach. You paid a hundred thousands. Yeah, oh man, yeah,
Speaker 1: smoth man. We appreciate you sliding on us. Man, so
Speaker 1: many more sorts. You gotta have you back again. Appreciate
Speaker 1: your rocking wet of course, of course, Jeff, did you
Speaker 1: ever go out when bio meth was in the linta? Yes,
Speaker 1: I did see that. That's when it was so funny, dog,
Speaker 1: because you said, like when when they beat me for
Speaker 1: the threes and step in, So it was like all right, well,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna go here, but I'm gonna go here.
Speaker 1: You know what. I had went to Man City a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and uh, this ship was funny, dog.
Speaker 1: So I'm in it. Like the first time I'm going there. Dog,
Speaker 1: it's like a deer in headlights. So like the next
Speaker 1: time we're in pressing like Twine were going back, we're
Speaker 1: going back. Like I'm just like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He like, he took me there a couple more times
Speaker 1: and then everybody was out of practice. He's like, coach,
Speaker 1: like me, how let you real quick? Well, Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's just locked room? When he was like a man, uh,
Speaker 1: how you doing? I'm good. I'm good. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: you've been he've been all right. I said, I'm good.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, man, stapp stap him, stab them titty bars. Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what you're talking about? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Stupid? You know what You're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Like, I ain't. I ain't
Speaker 1: been in no strip club. I think I went one time,
Speaker 1: but I ain't. He like, listen, man, the chief police
Speaker 1: said he's seen you. Man. He said, ain't gonna shut down.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is not like damn okay, I'm
Speaker 1: it shit getting real for me. Like so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, dropped my head. I said all right, man,
Speaker 1: I said all right, I ain't all right. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna go no more. I ain't go no more. So
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, So this when I started meeting
Speaker 1: with a meeting shamane, do you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: start being cold jamindu print stuff, and uh he was
Speaker 1: taking me out, you know what I'm saying. So shit,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay. That was another little suss of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can get in these clubs. Right. So I remember
Speaker 1: were in the back, were in the back of Visions
Speaker 1: one day and uh, I'm about to get out because
Speaker 1: I'm thirsty. You know, I'm young, I'm thirsty. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to see what going on in there because I had
Speaker 1: just got kicked out the month before. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like I had, I had slid up, slid
Speaker 1: up the security guy like a couple of hundred you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, motherfucker, So big love alex Ago.
Speaker 1: So once I get that mother motherfucking two seconds, it's
Speaker 1: dude like come in, like, come on me, like let me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm thinking that they're gonna take
Speaker 1: me to the to the section. You know what, the section.
Speaker 1: He's like, come come on. So like me and Josh
Speaker 1: Chills were walking me, Josh d. Smith were walking. Man, man,
Speaker 1: open the door. Man. It took me to the bed
Speaker 1: like outside, like I was like, yeah, hold up. It
Speaker 1: was like a picture out like nigga, don't let this
Speaker 1: little nigga in. You know what I'm saying. They put
Speaker 1: the head out. Niggas' coming head up. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm so. I was like
Speaker 1: it was funny as hell. So uh, I like boom, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm getting this bitch. I can't. It was like one
Speaker 1: twelve across the street. So I'm like, shit, I go,
Speaker 1: I get I like I'm with you made the priest,
Speaker 1: So sho, I'm about to get out the car. He like,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on your fell hold on.
Speaker 1: So like, man, why what's up? Why you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? He like, shit, let the let the go
Speaker 1: in here. Look to the right. But it's like sixty people.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what the fuck you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell going now? I'm just like thirty niggas,
Speaker 1: thirty thirty girls, like no exaggeration, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all these big ass pieces medallion pieces and shit, bingmf
Speaker 1: then but it's like all kind of crazy pieces. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, the fuck. So we're going there, I
Speaker 1: going there. We're going there like nearly and so once
Speaker 1: they they get in, they they let them in, no
Speaker 1: pat down, none of that shit. So like the vibes normally,
Speaker 1: like I'm guessing like JD probably wasn't tripping at that moment,
Speaker 1: but he was like, man, ain't nobody y'all checking out
Speaker 1: of my niggas? You know what I'm feeling, like, we
Speaker 1: hate no showing our did none of that ship. So
Speaker 1: he would he would buck because he's like, there, ain't
Speaker 1: gonna let the niggas. They let all these niggas here
Speaker 1: with dope. So he like, shit, fuck this shit, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go him. So should we get in now? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm really in this bitch. So we got there, We're
Speaker 1: going to We're going to section now, I'm in there. Section.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down. Yeah, I ain't I ain't I want
Speaker 1: one of them niggas. Like you see me, watch me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm sitting down
Speaker 1: like trying to like see what's going on, see the hall,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I look across, I look across the uh the thing,
Speaker 1: and they got the whole It's like it's like bruh,
Speaker 1: it's like a big ass section over there, like but
Speaker 1: it's like different sections. They had the whole spot over
Speaker 1: there though. It was like probably like eight sections over
Speaker 1: the mother, you know what I'm saying. And they just
Speaker 1: over there be I'm like, I'm like damn, Like okay,
Speaker 1: these big niggas. I'm like shit, because it's like you
Speaker 1: gotta like understand like when we used to have them,
Speaker 1: when we used had the meetings, you know, we had
Speaker 1: the meetings every every year with the NBA security and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They had it on that shit like
Speaker 1: look man, like you see they see these people, man
Speaker 1: go the other way, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: so they putting fear in your heart already, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, so you're like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: going on. So, man, you see the unmarked black cars
Speaker 1: and shit like that. Man being like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like this, when I was young and single.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I pulled up. I used
Speaker 1: to like I was young, so like I wasn't dealing
Speaker 1: with the girls my age. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I'm eighteen, they like twenty six, nobody my age.
Speaker 1: So I pull up to her. How she likes to
Speaker 1: live on the east Side. I pull up and I
Speaker 1: see a little black Corvette in the driveway, So I
Speaker 1: put pull the cold of six. Ain't man, who the
Speaker 1: hell you know? Saying who the hell? Who? As I
Speaker 1: my sister and friend, I said, okay, shit, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get what you later on. Yeah, I heard what I heard.
Speaker 1: What ship? It was the Cross Pass? Shit, I was pipe, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Said,
Speaker 1: no go yeah, but I've seen the eight Days. They
Speaker 1: had a they had a food last run boy, not
Speaker 1: fishing Atlanta. I mean, I'm watching the series now and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wanted to see how it started because
Speaker 1: when it was like three oh, like that era. Man,
Speaker 1: that that year them years they had a Lando, and
Speaker 1: they had a land on and the chokehod. It really
Speaker 1: was about to like Jesus was about to help them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, get on, but he
Speaker 1: just didn't. It was happening too slow. Yeah, yeah, that's crast.
Speaker 1: They probably had a bigger father. Every sports team in
Speaker 1: at the same time, the Falcons, the Hogs being bigger.
Speaker 1: They had billboards and ship man. Yeah it was I think, Uh,
Speaker 1: they weren't bigger than Vig. Nobody was bigger than might be,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. No, No, he was bigger. It might be.
Speaker 1: He was the man. He was the fucking man. Whenever
Speaker 1: that dog fight it was it was after being meth though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be. Yeah, yeah, it was like a little
Speaker 1: after being man. It was like being math boomed. Then
Speaker 1: it was the ship right after that ship had remember
Speaker 1: come on the hot time, come on. He was the
Speaker 1: island and Irish and of football in like in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: like like I re Memb when I was younger and man,
Speaker 1: I used to see him. Man I used to be
Speaker 1: in the nosebleed brouh it'd be sold out. People used
Speaker 1: to love to see that man. Legend, legend and Mike Vig.
Speaker 1: He had Atlanto smash for sure. That's crazy. Great way
Speaker 1: to the end of great story, great guests. App cha,
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Speaker 1: Catch y'all next time. So yeah, sir,