1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Rob Thompson and welcome to The Philly Show. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: Ruben Amorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zelecki. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: It is the Philly Show. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, January twenty seventh, twenty twenty six. Hope 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: everybody has survived the snow and shovel themselves out while 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: you were shoveling at yourselves out. On Monday, the news 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: broke that Harrison Bader signed a two year, twenty point 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: five million dollar contract with the San Francisco Giants. Agreed 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: to the deal pending physical YadA, YadA. He's going to 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: pass the physical. We've been saying for weeks, guys, that 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: Harrison Bader was not going to be back. 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: We said last week he was not going to be back. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 3: Rubin. 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: You explained why you don't wouldn't want him back. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Very clearly last week. 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: What do we think about this deal is now knowing 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: what the final number was, does it change. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: Your opinion on any of this? 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 4: Your opinion? 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: Recency bias on mister batter. 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 5: Is the thing that people are are probably like upset 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 5: that they you know, that's the reason why they didn't 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 5: sign him back. 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: Here's the deal. You can't have your cake and eat 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: it too. 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 5: If you want young players to come to the organization 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 5: and to try to help this team. They have one 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 5: coming in, justin Crawford, and you have to give him 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 5: an opportunity to do it. Now, if they felt like 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 5: they would rather have Baiter instead of a guy like 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 5: marsh or something like that, and maybe put the guy well, 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 5: marsha I ended up having a really good last half 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 5: of the year last year, pretty darn good corner outfielder, 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 5: probably more of a platoon player. 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: And I think Harrison Beater was a. 36 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 5: Guy that, while he played very well for the Phillies, 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 5: gave him some energy, was a solid center fielder. 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: They're going to find out about Crawford and center and 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: they have to do it. They have to infuse some youth, 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: you know. 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 5: Would I'd like to have had Bader back, maybe as 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 5: a fringe player, but you can't count on a guy 43 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 5: that didn't know he may have had clearly had the 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 5: best career, you know, season of his career. 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: Is that going to happen again, I don't know. 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 5: But you got to give other people an opportunity to play, 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 5: especially when you're trying to get younger and you have 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 5: one of the older. 49 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: Teams, you know, in all of baseball, as simple as that. 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been okay with it earlier in 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: the winter on a one year deal. He had that 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: option for ten million. He didn't take it, and he 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: he was right to bet on himself. He got a 54 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 4: twenty million dollar deal in Francisco. Good fun place to play. 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 4: But you know, he did have a good year, but 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: he was a below average player the previous three years offensively. 57 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm with you on Justin Crawford. I 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: want to see what he can do. And I would 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: just you know, remind all of us that last two 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: in July. A lot of us were ready to see 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: Crawford then, and we thought he was going to come, 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: and they were thinking about it and they were planning 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: on it, and then marsh sort of got going and 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: took off a little bit and they decided not to 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: do it. But I just I remember a lot of 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: folks wanted to see Justin Crawford, media, fan base organization, 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: and in a couple of weeks in clear Water, we're 68 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: going to get to see him. 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: So you thought so, And this is what a lot 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: of people forget because again you said recency bias, Ruben. 71 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: It's true. He was great for the Phillies. I mean 72 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: he hit over three hundred. Tremendous defensive centerfielder, he was. 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: He was great out there, brought a lot of energy 74 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: on the field into the clubhouse. I think his teammates 75 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: liked him, you know, as far as I know. He 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: got along great with everybody. 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: Last season. I just want to run through these numbers. 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Three point nine. 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: War betted two seventy seven seven ninety six ops one 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: seventeen ops plus. 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: That means he was seventeen percent. 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: Better than the and then the league average hitter the 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: last the previous three years combined two point seven War Okay, 84 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: so he was. You know, he wasn't as good as 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: he was last year. All the three previous years combined 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: betted two thirty nine six forty four ops eighty ops plus. 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: So the previous three seasons, he was twenty percent worse 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: than a league average offensive player. So from my mind, 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: I told anybody this had asked me this off season 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: about him, I said, I would like Harrison Vader back, 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: But god, he scares me on a two year deal. 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: He really scares me on a three year deal. I'm 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: sure early in the offseason he was looking for a 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: three year deal. 95 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: That would have scared the hell out of me. 96 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: He's thirty one, What are the odds he repeats that season, 97 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: just like you guys said. And so for that reason, 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: uh yeah, one year deal. I would have brought him 99 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: back if I think they would have been thrilled if 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: he would accepted the. 101 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Mutual option, they would have they would have loved that. 102 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: He basically only got what a two hundred and fifty 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: thousand dollars raised next season by with the deal with 104 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: the with the Giants. So but I'm wondering, so because 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: I've heard some people, yeah, so let me let me 106 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: let me just say if I may cut you off, 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: and I apologize for that. 108 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 3: There's people out there. 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 5: Saying, oh, well, why would you give JT real mutual 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 5: three years at you know, in his mid thirties and 111 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: not two years. 112 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: But let me just say it again. 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 5: The catching position is the most important position on the field, 114 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 5: particularly for the Phillies, whose strength is pitching. 115 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: And while they do have power. 116 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 6: At the top of their lineup, the reason why they've 117 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 6: had success over the last few years it's because of 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 6: their starting pitching and who manages that starting pitching the 119 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 6: starting catcher who catches one hundred and thirty games a year. 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 6: So you know, that's that's that's I'm just trying to 121 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 6: have folks sort of understand and give my opinion about 122 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 6: the difference between. You know, even though a centerfielder is 123 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 6: an important position, they have somebody to play center field 124 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 6: and they don't have somebody to catch. 125 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: So that's my that's my soapbox move discussion on that. 126 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: J T Rail Mudo and Harrison Vader. That's not even 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: an apples and oranges comparison. That's like apples and a 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: and a buickless saber comparison. 129 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 5: But there are people out there who comparison because they 130 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 5: feel like you know, were JT offensively is declined and 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: this that okay, But you're right, Jim, right, you're spot on. 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: But here's another hypothetical. 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: You know, if you could have on December fifteenth, I 134 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: think that's when the Phillies signed a Doley Scarcia to 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: a one year, ten million dollar deal, If on December 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: fifteenth you could have taken Bader two years twenty and 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: a half million or Garcia one year, ten million, what 138 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: do you guys do put on your Dave Dombrowski. 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: Hat if Bater would have taken the ten. 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: Million one year, no, no, no no. 141 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: If Baiter would have on December fifteenth, you have two choices. 142 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Garcia one year, ten million, Baiter two years, twenty and 143 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: a half million. What do you just signed with the Giants? 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: You say, and both guys goes. You offer me this, 145 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: I'm signed player, I'm coming to the Phillies in twenty 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: twenty six. 147 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: What would you do? 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: I would have held firm on Beta, you know, one 149 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: year deal, so I would have I would I guess 150 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: I would have opted for I would have liked better 151 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: back on a one year deal. I think it would 152 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: have made some sense. And now you can look at 153 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: Crawford and left field. But I'm fine with the way 154 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: it's shaken out. I mean, go to see Crawford what 155 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: he can do in center field. Let's see if you 156 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: can play that spot and you can adjust from there. 157 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: I would take a dollars Garcia for the one year 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: deal over Beta for two. 159 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: There you go. 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: Pack of the baseball card. 161 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: Guys, if you are watching us on YouTube, we are 162 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: so close to ten thousand subscribers, so very very cool. 163 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: Get up. 164 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: We gotta get over the hump. 165 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: Let's get over the hump before spring training. So I 166 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: hit the subscribe button. If you're watching us on YouTube, 167 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: that would be great, and then go to the Phillyshowshop 168 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: dot com to pick up some giaport, right. 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: James, Yeah, we forgot to have our. 170 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh, Ruben, you're off. 171 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: We know that you're you have a moment of silence, Ruben. 172 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: Well for your Twitter account. 173 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my. 174 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: Twitter account done out done. You know, you know, and 175 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 3: you know why, honestly, and it really wasn't because I 176 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: had anything to do with Like, you know, people get 177 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: trolled all the time. I'm not the only human being 178 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: to get trolled. 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: Got to the point where negativity I don't need to 180 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 5: have it anymore. 181 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: Man, I'm too old for it. I'm on the other 182 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: side of the slope. It's time to enjoy life. It's 183 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: accessful at times. 184 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: You need to be positive. 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean realistic. Realistic and negative are 186 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: two totally different things. 187 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 5: And and I think it's just there's just so so 188 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: much negativity out there for everything. I'm talking from politics 189 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 5: to sports to everything. Like, dude, enjoy lighte folks enjoyed, 190 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 5: and uh, I'm not doing it with Twitter anymore. 191 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: It's it's rough. It is a rough place. 192 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: Man. 193 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: You have some stuff said about you, I mean not you, 194 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: but me. 195 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: You know. Uh. 196 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: I actually screened grabbed one from several years ago that 197 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: was like so wildly over the top hoods the luck 198 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: he is a bleep and imbecile. I hope he gets 199 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: an incurable disease. 200 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: Die. 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: I mean. 202 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 5: You imagine how fed up you have to be to 203 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: like want to write those and key strut that. 204 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: People are weird. 205 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna miss you on the old twit Rubin. 206 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: Appreciate that. 207 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right, well so let's get back. 208 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: Let's get back to the twenty twenty six Phillies. So okay, 209 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: So now Harrison Bader's in San Francisco. You've got a 210 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: Duley scarc in right field. You got Justin Craft and 211 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: center field. You have Brandon marsh probably Auto Kemp in 212 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: left field. 213 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys don't see any changes on that. 214 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people are concerned about the outfield, and 215 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: I get it right, I mean, Justin Crawford, as much 216 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: as we want to see him as as talented he is, 217 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: you don't know what you're gonna get from him Garcia 218 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: coming off two down years, Marsh had a really good 219 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: second half, you know, but he's been up and down. 220 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: There's a lot of concerns about the outfield. How do 221 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: you guys feel about the outfield right now? 222 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: Should be concerned about the outfield. 223 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: It's not a great I mean, listen, Uh, it's not 224 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 5: the greatest, uh, But I will say that defensively, particularly 225 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 5: on the corners. If you just look at Crawford and center, 226 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 5: Marshen left, and the Dolls Garcian right, that's a damn 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: good defensive outfield, uh. With Dotto Kemp not as good 228 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 5: when he's out there playing against lefties. As it stands today, 229 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: you're sort of hoping that Crawford, it plays a solid 230 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: enough center field to make that outfield even better. 231 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: But I love the corner outfield piece pieces of this. 232 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: But it's not just about the defense, obviously. 233 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 5: It's more about the offense and can these guys produce. 234 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 5: You know, Brandon Marsh, you know, plays closer to what 235 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: he did in the second half as opposed to the 236 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: first month. For during good in the second half the 237 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: latter four or five months of the season, and a 238 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 5: Dolls Garcia can get some of that magic back with 239 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: the contact, you know, and you know Crawford just gonna 240 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: be a wild card. You just have no idea I 241 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 5: was gonna handle it offensive offensively, but you know he's 242 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: gonna be hitting, likely in the ninth hole, and you 243 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 5: hope that he can contribute. 244 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: Someone will see how it shakes out. 245 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 4: It's it's the weak area of the team. And it 246 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: was last year. 247 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was last year, right. 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: Well, below average defensively in all the metrics that you 249 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: apply in that area, and you know, below league average, 250 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: below major league average offensively. So the only spot I 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: see really improved is the throwing arm and right field. 252 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: So but you never know if they could if he 253 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: bounces back. Garcia has a pretty good year. And you know, 254 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: Crawford's been a three hundred hitter everywhere he's been. I know, 255 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: he's very young, twenty two years old. Going to require patience. 256 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: He's going to have to you know, arrive, adjust and 257 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 4: believe he belongs here. And every young player goes through that. 258 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: But there's there's talent there. I know all about the 259 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: warts and hitting the ball on the ground, but I 260 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: mean there's a lot of contact, there's a lot of speed, 261 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 4: and he's very young, so I'm excited to see him. 262 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what he can do. 263 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: So they there's a few pitchers and catchers report on 264 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: February eleventh. First full squad workout of February sixteenth. There 265 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: are some free agent outfielders available. It's very, very thin, 266 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: but I was looking at guys that hit our right 267 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: handed hitters, hit some lefties in case you were looking 268 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: for another option besides auto camp, although the Reallys have 269 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: really been pumping up Auto camp this offseason. So I 270 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: want to see if you guys have any thoughts, any 271 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: flow or no flow. Five guys, five guys you could 272 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: think maybe you could get on a one year deal. 273 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's worth it or not. Let's 274 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: start in alphabetical order. Miguel on Duhr last season nine 275 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: eighty six ops against lefties, eight oh seven ops against 276 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: lefties in his career. 277 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: What do you think about a Miguel and Harr. 278 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: There's some there's some flow there. I mean, I like him. Again, 279 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 5: not sure what kind of defender he is. If he's 280 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 5: actually gotten to the point where he's average. 281 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't know that he's even average in the outfield. 282 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 5: I would have to talk to some of the scouts 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: and because I haven't seen him play very much out there, 284 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 5: but my understanding is he's not that great a defender, but. 285 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: Got some flow with the bat, no question, especially against 286 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: and you. 287 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: Could you could platoon him with Marsh out of the gate, 288 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: and it's good to have some more depth. I mean, 289 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: he lost well Wilson. Wilson a debt piece, depth piece, 290 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: but uh, he's productive against lefties. You could platune him 291 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: with Marsh. You could start camping triple A on an option. 292 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 4: I firmly believe he would be back at some point 293 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,479 Speaker 4: to get a chance to contribute. But you know, outfield 294 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: depth to me is a concern along with starting pitching 295 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: depth and Miguel ANDU Horror's work against lefties wouldn't would 296 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: intrigue me, especially from the right side, Yeah, right side 297 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: against lefties. 298 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: Rather than go these guys each individual, I'll just list 299 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: the other four guys that I mentioned I wrote down 300 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: and see if any of these guys pop out at you. 301 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: I got Austin. 302 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: Hayes, Yes, Tommy fam Starling, Marte and Randall Gritchick. 303 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: You do you give a thumbs down? 304 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 5: I got thumbs down the to the to fam and 305 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 5: to and to Gritchick, which's okay, yeah, okay, I mean 306 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 5: that's I mean, I I'd rather go with a guy 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 5: like Austin Hayes or Andrew Harrro for my taste. 308 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: I know that things didn't go well with Austin Hayes, 309 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: but that's some of a gun. 310 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 5: Can hit, he can hit left piece, and he can 311 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 5: play a little bit, and he's a decent outler. 312 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: And I like the makeup too. He just was sick 313 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: and almost died with the Phillies. 314 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: And yes, and that's the thing like people, Yeah, I 315 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: think if they would end up doing a thing for 316 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: Austin Hayes, you probably get the of course, the react, 317 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: oh my god, they're bringing but they're running now, they're 318 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: really running of they're bringing back to Austin too. But 319 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: he was sick, he was hurt. It wasn't like he 320 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: came here, was healthy, played a lot and just stunk. 321 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: You really getting to see what Austin has was about 322 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: the last season with the Reds nine to forty nine 323 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: ops against lefties and one hundred and five point appearances 324 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: eight nineteen ops against lefties in his career so last 325 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: season career wise, the guy mashes left handed pitching known quantities. 326 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say Andrew harr Hayes for sure, 327 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: get me give me some flu. 328 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't see real We didn't see Austin has 329 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 4: at nearly his best. And he's a good clubhouse guy. 330 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, talk. 331 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 4: I've talked to people in Cincinnati, in the know people, 332 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: and they really like the way he competed and the 333 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: way he brought that clubhouse together over there. He's got 334 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: some intangibles that were never witnessed here because he'd never 335 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: got off the ground. I would certainly consider him. I 336 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: would certainly consider and a horror because I think they 337 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: need more out there on the on the depth side. 338 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 5: I'm just surprised the Reds aren't making a run at him. 339 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 5: I I don't get it. Maybe he's out pricing himself 340 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: for what he thinks he's worth, much like what you 341 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 5: show with Vader. 342 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: Maybe he's looking for something you know, Beta Esku and 343 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: if you if you're gonna take a fire to maybe 344 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: a one year deal, and if they're asking for more 345 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: than one year, then I'm out on all these guys. 346 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: I got another hypothetical for your fellows say all of 347 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: these guys are in the one year. 348 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it's. 349 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 2: Thore number out there, five million dollars, I don't know, 350 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: maybe seven half million dollars. I have no idea what 351 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: they're gonna get. How about this, though, would you rather 352 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: have would you take Nick Castiano's pay the Phillies three 353 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: million dollars to take him over any of those guys 354 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: or four million dollars for any of those guys. That's 355 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: why I kind of think that Nick cast down, they 356 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: might they might. 357 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: Find something to trade for him. 358 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 4: I know, Jim, you and I disagree on this. 359 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: Do you think you know they're not gonna be able 360 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: to find anybody to take it? 361 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 4: But I just think, you know, I don't think there 362 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 4: is a tremendous there's many suitors for him, maybe a couple, right, 363 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 4: And why wouldn't you just take your chances on getting 364 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: them for the minimum through waivers? But if you feel 365 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: like there's two teams on them and you really want them, 366 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: it's like when the team trades up in the NFL 367 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: Draft with just moves up a couple of spots because 368 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 4: they really want a guy the team you hear the 369 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: most about is Pittsburgh and they may be willing to 370 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: trade for him, but obviously the Phillies think somebody might 371 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: trade for him, they would have you know, pulled the 372 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: ripcord by now. 373 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: So we were also talking earlier about, you know, the 375 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: Phillies outfield being a weak point, and they also need 376 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: some starting pitching depth. Guys, they're really thin on the start. 377 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 3: One more comment about the outfield. You know, I'm not 378 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: trying to play mic drop here, but if Bryce Sharper 379 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: was playing his natural position, then the outfield depth and 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: the outfield quality offensively would be a little different. He's 381 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: not moving there, but if. 382 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 5: He was playing right field, which is what he was 383 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 5: when he signed, then they could probably maneuver around a 384 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 5: first base option or a third base option, moveing to 385 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 5: first whatever. They give themselves a little bit more optionability 386 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: or you know, have more options. You know, Uh, it's 387 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 5: not going to happen. He's not moving from first base. 388 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: But if he was playing his natural position, it'd be different. 389 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 5: We wouldn't have been having the the outfield discussion. 390 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: We would look up. It's that's to me, that's way 391 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 4: in the rear view mirror. Outfield. It's not as natural 392 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 4: position anymore, as he's the first basemen there trying to 393 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: limit the wear and tear so they can get the 394 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 4: most out of these next six years that they can. 395 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 4: So I don't I think that that ship has sailed, because. 396 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I mean, we've done. 397 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 5: I've done studies Jim on the outfield, what what how 398 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 5: much wear and tear? It takes way more wear and 399 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 5: tear is the first basement that is in a right 400 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 5: fielder way more and and and you know, I think 401 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: he just feels really comfortable there and he probably doesn't 402 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: want us to be switching back and forth. 403 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 4: But he did blow did blow out his elbow thrown 404 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 4: in right field. 405 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's I'm just saying, you know, as far 406 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: as overall wear and tear on. 407 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 5: The body, a lot more, a lot more wear and 408 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 5: tear on his body at first base. 409 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: Uh then than it would be in right field. 410 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: I just don't think he's going back there. 411 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: He's not going back. 412 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: Making it. 413 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 3: I'm just making a statement. 414 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: So Phillies needs some starting pitching depth. There's a lot 415 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 2: of guys that are still out there starting pitching wise. 416 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: Everybody from fromber Baldez and Zach Gallan who have qualifying offers. 417 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 2: I would be florid if the Phillies went after one 418 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: of those guys. But any of these other guys interest you, 419 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: And I don't know how realistic it is because I 420 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: don't know how you unless you do something with Taiwan Walker. 421 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you can always move guys around, I guess, 422 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: but you have Chris Bassett. 423 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: Just you like what Jim. 424 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: I like Chris Bassett look, but he's good. He's I 425 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: like the way he competes. I like his toughness. And 426 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: he's gonna pitch at thirty seven next year, which you 427 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 4: know it's up there, gets risky. But this guy last 428 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: four years, four straight years of one hundred and seventy 429 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 4: plus innings. I would think he's gonna want a multi 430 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 4: year deal. I'm sure he's still holding out for a 431 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: multi year deal, and I don't know if the Phillies 432 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: can do that. But I mean, to me, he would 433 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: be more than a depth piece. He's an awfully good 434 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 4: good He's an awfully good ad. I think they're probably 435 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: looking for someone who probably profiles more as a number five. 436 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 4: But boy, if you could figure out a way to 437 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 4: bring in Chris Bassett, I think that would be a 438 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 4: really nice score. 439 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: How do you think that. 440 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 3: I mean he ended up playing pitching in the playoffs 441 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: out of the bullpenal. Correct. Yeah, it's sort of like 442 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: the perfect piece. 443 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 5: I don't think he fits financially for them, because, as 444 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 5: you said, Jim, I think he's going to command a 445 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: higher number. I mean, he's a starting pitcher, and I 446 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 5: don't want to be paid as a starting pitcher. And 447 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 5: but as far just on the surface, if you look 448 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: at him in the vacuum, I mean, he's sort of 449 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 5: the perfect guy because he can solidify that you know, 450 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: that slot. You can slow painter down, you don't have 451 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: to worry about, you know, Wheeler snapping back quickly, and 452 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 5: you know, I think that's it. That would be a 453 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 5: really that's a heavy flow piece for me. But I 454 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 5: just don't know if it fits financially for him. 455 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got to what he's done the last four years. 456 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: He's got to want a multi year deal, and he's 457 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: probably waiting for somebody else to tumble here. But the 458 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: two big ones ahead of him are qualifying offer guys, 459 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 4: Forever Valdez and Zach Gallon. So you know, Rubin, you 460 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: said the other day that they needed like a Spencer 461 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: Turnbull type and that would be ideal Spencer Turnbull type. 462 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 4: I wonder about that. That Zach Lttel who pitched in 463 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 4: Tampa Bay for a few years and I think he 464 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 4: went to Cincinnati. It doesn't strike a lot of guys out, 465 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 4: but he'll give you some innings and won't walk people. 466 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: You know, Nick, What about Nick Martinez is kind of 467 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: that guy. 468 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: Nick would be even a higher level than that. I 469 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: think stuff. 470 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 5: I mean, he's got to see like a six or 471 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 5: seven pitch mix. You know, he's had some track record. Again, 472 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 5: another one of those guys like the chan Ho Park 473 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 5: type signing that we had years. 474 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: Ago with Pat Gillick, where you have sort of a. 475 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 5: Swing guy to help you as an as an opener 476 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 5: or a starter when you need him, or maybe also 477 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: pitching the ball pen as a long guy to hold 478 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 5: some things down. 479 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: I've always liked Jose Quintana, lefty, you know, likes to 480 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 4: get a lot of chase, try to make the hitter 481 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: get himself. I'm not sure he can pitch out of 482 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 4: the bullpen though. Has he pitched out of the bullpen? 483 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 4: I don't believe. 484 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: So I will know that he's done it very much 485 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 5: at all in his entire career. 486 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got Verlanders out there, he got Max Scherzers 487 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: out there. Patrick Corbin is out there. 488 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: The problem with those guys they're going to be expected 489 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 5: to be in the rotation and they're not gonna want 490 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: be wanting to compete, and there's always the risk of health. 491 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 5: I mean these guys have gone down every single year. 492 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 5: Corbin I think was fairly healthy last year. And yeah, 493 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 5: I should have improved, did a nice shot. He's probably 494 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 5: looking to try to capitalize on the fact that he 495 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: did improve somebody. 496 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: You're still looking at it like a five R for 497 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: the guy, right. 498 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, Walker Bueller is he would? I think he would 499 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 4: at this stage's career. Swingman ish. He's not hearing, not 500 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 4: hearing a lot about him. And they had him for 501 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: cameo last year. 502 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean velocities weren't there. It's one year more, 503 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: another year on on the arm as far as wearing 504 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: tears concerned. But he's gonna compete. It's an interesting name 505 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, they got to do something there. They've 506 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: got to bring in another. 507 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: Army, another arm Like I said, you know, if a 508 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: couple of those guys goes down. Hammy is Rob Thompson, Like, 509 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: what's it called a Shinberger? You know, the final week 510 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: of the of spring training, somebody else goes down. Now 511 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: you're looking at Ellen ron Hell, you know Tucker Davidson, 512 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: who's a non roster invitee. I'm trying to think who 513 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: else off the top of my head. A couple of 514 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: guys in Triple A, yeah, Brimy Brace Wilson. You know, 515 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: there's not a lot, not a lot of great. You 516 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: don't have Andrew again, you don't have you don't have 517 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 2: Andrew paid, or you don't have mckabel. 518 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: You don't have any of those guys down there. 519 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: So they they they would be well served to go 520 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: out and find some depth, some quality. 521 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: Death before Toledo. 522 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: Giolito's out there, but he showed enough I think coming 523 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 4: back from injury last year with Boston that I think 524 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 4: he wants to get paid a little bit. I'm not 525 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: sure he would be in play. 526 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 5: I really just think payroll wise, some of these guys 527 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 5: just aren't fits. But at some point, somebody's gonna have 528 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 5: to sign for less than they think they that they're 529 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 5: that they're worth. You're gonna start finding that as you 530 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 5: get closer and closer and well into spring training, some of. 531 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 7: These guys may wait, yeah, through spring training, wait to 532 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 7: see if somebody because if inevitably somebody's going down, and 533 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 7: then someone's gonna have to have a panic move and 534 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 7: sign somebody. 535 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 5: And maybe that's the strategy for some of them. 536 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. You could definitely see that. 537 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 4: You can see that almost with a Sures or a 538 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: Verlander type. 539 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, why sign somewhere? 540 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: Right? Wait, see who lives down, See who's struggling, See 541 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: who needs a starter? 542 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: Go that way? 543 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: All right, let's before we wrap this up, just want 544 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: to mention some of the non roster invitees coming to camp. 545 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: The Phillies announced just a few names on the list. 546 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: You get prospects like Aiden Miller, Justin Crawford, a Run Escobar, 547 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: Dante Nori, Felix, Reyis, Brian Raincone, Carson d Martini. Then 548 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: you have some guys with big league experienced Henny CS Cabrera, 549 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 2: Tucker Davidson, Brian da La Cruz. 550 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: That's a outfield candidate. 551 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: We don't Nobody ever talks about Johann Rojas as a 552 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: fifth outfielder, but you know, obviously he's on the forty men. 553 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: Brian day la Cruz had a really nice winter ball season. 554 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: For whatever that's worth. 555 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: You have some Tim Masa his back, Lefty, Tim Mays back, 556 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: Michael Mercado, Trevor Richards, Bryce Wilson, Jonathan Hannas, some guys 557 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: with big league experience that are going to be in 558 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: camp to spring his non roster and vi keys. 559 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: You never know which one might step up. 560 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian dela Cruz is an interesting guy because I 561 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: can see him having like a really. 562 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 5: Strong spring just because he's a guy that's been playing. 563 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 5: He'll probably start off and be hot. I've been there, 564 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 5: done it, done it myself. You know, you play all 565 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: the way through. Nobody else has played. A lot of 566 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 5: these other guys haven't played. He's played all through the 567 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 5: winter ball. He's seen pitches. He'll be ready to go 568 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 5: right out of the chute trying to make his impression. 569 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: And he's had some success against leftanders. He has some 570 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 5: success in the big leagues corner guys got usk and 571 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 5: swinging a little bit, has some success against the pills 572 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 5: in particular. So, uh, he's sort of intriguing a little bit. 573 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious to see. 574 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 5: What we get out some of these youngsters. I want 575 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: to see you Ruin Escobar, see what kind of shape 576 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 5: he's in. Ten See he's a little thick, but he 577 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 5: can really hit. Like to see what kind of defensive 578 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 5: skills he has and what Bobby Richardson can do with 579 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 5: him while he works. He and Larry Boa while they 580 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 5: work in the infield. So some interesting guys there. 581 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 4: Genesis Caprara an interesting guy with interesting background as it 582 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: pertains to the Phillies. He's the guy who scared the 583 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: crap out of everybody when he hit Bryce Harper in 584 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: the face with ninety seven? 585 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: Was it ninety seven? 586 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 4: It's still one of the most remarkable things I've ever 587 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: seen in my life that Bryce Harper walked away from that. 588 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Do you think they'll be lockering next 589 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 3: to each other. 590 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 4: You know, they're all good. They're all good. Harper reached 591 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 4: out to him like the next day and said, you 592 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: know this part of the game, don't worry about it. 593 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: And you know, Harper's handling of that situation was remarkable 594 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 4: to the point where there's an organization in Saint Louis 595 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 4: and Cabrera was pitching for Saint Louis that night, and 596 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: that incident happened in Saint Louis. There's an organization in 597 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 4: Saint Louis. I think it's the stand Usual Foundation, and 598 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: they give a sportsmanship award every year, and they gave 599 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: it to Harper that year for his handling of that. 600 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: Interesting the nice little tidbit there, James Piddage tidbit. 601 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: Like that, Like I you know, I'm everybody his course 602 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: is interesting to see what Justin Crawford does this spring. 603 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm also interested to see, you know, no surprise, I 604 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: want to see what Aiden Miller does this spring. I'm 605 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: just kind of curious to see how he bounce, how 606 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: they use him, how they bounce him around. I don't 607 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: know how many games is he gonna get, but how 608 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: much third base does he play? How much second base 609 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: does he play? In comparison to h shortstop? You know, 610 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: because if he's going to be coming up at some 611 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: point this season, it's probably gonna be as your third 612 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: baseman or probably as your second basement in some way, 613 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: shape or form. 614 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: So there you go. 615 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 4: If you can play shortstop, Todd, you can play anywhere. 616 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's you know what though, Jimmy Rownds did not want. 617 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Jimmy about this. 618 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: He's like, I want no parts of third base. 619 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 7: But he could. 620 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 4: He could have done it. 621 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: You could have done it. 622 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 5: I think the the intrigue for me will be how 623 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 5: they utilize Aden Millard in Leigh Valley this year. Where 624 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: is he going to play? Is he going to play 625 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 5: all three infield positions? Is he going to. 626 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: Play the bulk of his time at third base? Will 627 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: be at second base. I am fascinated by that one. 628 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: I would bulk him up and shortstop and give him 629 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 4: a little taste of third base. 630 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: Is that it problem? 631 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: Maybe only occasional taste the second, But I'm mostly I 632 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: think I'm mostly looking at a left side infielder because 633 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: you could need that a year from now. Right, you know, 634 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: Boem's gonna be a free agent, and given the last 635 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: two off seasons, I don't expect him to return. 636 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 5: Correct I would play I would play him about seventy 637 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 5: or eighty games at short and I was with the 638 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 5: rest between third and second. 639 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: There you go, There we go, all right, guys. The 640 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: good to see Ruby. 641 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: You look nice in hand. You were down in a 642 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: clear glass. 643 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: Did the old fantasy camp? It was fun. Had a 644 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: great time with my old buddies. That's a and uh 645 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: even cold. Cole Hamil's was I think the only two 646 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: thousand and aka. 647 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 4: Ruben any good, any good clubhouse hijinks. 648 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: There were a ton of. I mean, one of the 649 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: beauties of doing that. 650 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 5: Is to listen to Larry Boa, Mariano Duncan and many 651 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 5: many others. 652 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: Chataway, John Cruk, Dooky, you were. 653 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 5: A fly in that on the wall there in that clubhouse, 654 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 5: you would be fully entertained. 655 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: I love Donky. 656 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 5: Donkey's great entertainment at the best. Fortunately, my good man 657 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 5: John Raymon, I've had some travel problems to get back. 658 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: Home, but I'll get home at some point. Man John 659 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: Ramo hooked me up. 660 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow, you're gonna love the weather, Reuben. Let me 661 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: tell you, I can't wait. 662 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: It's been gorgeous, spectacular here. It's gonna start getting a 663 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: little cold this week. 664 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 2: So I did look when it was snowing on Sunday. 665 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: He said, let me see what it's like in Claro. 666 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: I said, it was like eighty degrees and like. 667 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 668 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 3: It's it's hand lines looking sharp, look and sharp. 669 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: All right, guys, that was fun and We will be 670 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 2: back later this week. 671 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 4: Smell you, lady boys, Jimmy. 672 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 673 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: Territory Network. 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