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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Packers on scripted I'm your host.

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Speaker 1: Wes Hawk was joined by an extra special guest, Larry mccarin,

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Speaker 1: stepping in for Mike spot for today. Larry, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Hey, Wes, can you explain

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Speaker 1: the rules to me? Now? Are verbal spats allowed? Perhaps

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Speaker 1: in extreme cases even fisticuffs? How don't you if you

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Speaker 1: want to come across the studio and set me straight?

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Speaker 1: You want the rules? I want to dound so I

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Speaker 1: don't you know, step over the line if you know

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Speaker 1: you're you're totally within your right whatever you need to do.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, we we, we do appreciate you jumping

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Speaker 1: out with us, Larry. The Green Bay Packers, for the

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Speaker 1: third time since nineteen nine, clinched the number one seed

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. More important probably than any other you're

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Speaker 1: considering they're only one first round bio the NFC, and

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Speaker 1: that came courtesy of a thirty five sixteen win over

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Larry, the Green Bay Packers finishing pretty

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Speaker 1: strong here on the regular season Slate certainly had to

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Speaker 1: dig down deep to pull this one out. But just

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Speaker 1: your first impressions of that victory, and what it meant

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Speaker 1: to go down to Soldier Field and get another win

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Speaker 1: over the Bears. Well about your previous comment about finishing strong,

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Speaker 1: I think that is so important and for just this moment,

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Speaker 1: regardless of opponent. I mean, when you get on a roll,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers are on a roll, what do they

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Speaker 1: want five straight And it's the kind of situation where

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Speaker 1: they are playing their best football at the best time,

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Speaker 1: the most important time, and confidence. Uh, success breeds confidence,

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Speaker 1: and so this is a great situation for them to

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Speaker 1: be in. And then to go down and ice the thing,

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Speaker 1: ice the number one seed, the home field advantage, and

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Speaker 1: they'll buy that goes with it in Chicago against the Bears,

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Speaker 1: who had all kinds of hopes, dreams and aspirations about

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Speaker 1: that game. To get that done, I think it speaks

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Speaker 1: volumes about the Green Bay Packers and their chances going forward,

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Speaker 1: and Larry starting off on the offensive side of all.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers nineteen twenty forty yards, four touchdowns, a hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty seven point nine passer rating. The I believe

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Speaker 1: it was the fourteenth time to see her over a

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Speaker 1: hundred passer rating. Kind of putting that final stamp in

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Speaker 1: a lot of minds of many on the m m

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Speaker 1: VP season what would be his third There were a

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Speaker 1: couple of moments in this game though, I thought, right

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Speaker 1: off the bat, this was gonna be something where they

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Speaker 1: needed to start fast. They need to get their offensive

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Speaker 1: rhythm going. And and Rogers got this group, you know,

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Speaker 1: Not having David baktr he got them into a rhythm.

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Speaker 1: And it seemed like with getting three quick scores really

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Speaker 1: sort of set the tempo for this game. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: wasn't it a crazy way the game started? The Bears

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Speaker 1: possessed the ball for a major block of the first quarter,

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Speaker 1: and then the Packers possessed it for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the first quarter and into the second. And I thought

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Speaker 1: the Packers did a nice job early on of adjusting

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Speaker 1: to what the Bears were doing against Davante Adams. The

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Speaker 1: Bears don't normally travel a corner, but they were traveling

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Speaker 1: Kyle Fuller, their best corner corner that has Pro Bowl credentials.

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Speaker 1: They were traveling him with DeVante, and at the minimum

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Speaker 1: he was on the same side of the field, and

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Speaker 1: if DeVante was wide, he was right across from him.

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Speaker 1: And despite the fact Fuller is a real deal corner,

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Speaker 1: they also had safety help over the top, and so

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Speaker 1: the Packers they got a digestie adjust to it and

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Speaker 1: still moved the ball while going through those adjustments. And

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers West. I have seen every game that young

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Speaker 1: man has played. I don't think he's ever played better.

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Speaker 1: And the m VP thing, to me is a non

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Speaker 1: argument case closed. I mean it is, it shouldn't even

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Speaker 1: be close. If somebody wants to debate best of all time,

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Speaker 1: best player I've ever seen, I'll be willing to debate that.

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Speaker 1: But I still think he's not only the m v

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Speaker 1: P best player I've ever seen. Yeah, and there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of moments in this game. The one that really

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Speaker 1: stands out to me too is the past to marquisveld

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Speaker 1: on Monday about that how play clocks going down, there's

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Speaker 1: that not only getting the playoff, but getting the Packers

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Speaker 1: into the right matchup, he kept all of his assets.

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Speaker 1: I'll side he was thinking about maybe bringing in Jamal

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Speaker 1: And the thing maybe underappreciated in the play the Bears

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Speaker 1: after Aaron left Jamal Williams on the outside. After that,

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Speaker 1: when the ball was snapped, the Bears had a jammed

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Speaker 1: So Aaron out of the corner of his eye, he's

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Speaker 1: unleash just a throw. I don't know if you noticed

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Speaker 1: and this is why suddenly I have total recall. I

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Speaker 1: a spot, and it hits MVS in dead perfect stride. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: And when you see like stuff like that, you said,

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Speaker 1: that is other worldly. It ain't normal, but it is

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers it was and agreement. Packers get off to

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Speaker 1: a fast start in the first half. Wasn't all sunshine

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Speaker 1: and rainbows. Though the third quarters some adversity hits. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Rogers hits MBS on another deep all this time he

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Speaker 1: campering it in drops it. Packers go first punt of

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Speaker 1: the game. Then they go three and l But I thought, Larry,

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Speaker 1: this is where the defense really did shine, and in

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Speaker 1: Very quietly, this ended up being a top ten unit

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Speaker 1: this season. They got the takeaways number nine. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: got the takeaways they were looking for late season. They

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Speaker 1: improved against the run defense this game. David Montgomery only

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Speaker 1: two carries for sixty nine yards, but most importantly Larry

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Speaker 1: the adversity defense in this whether it was in the

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Speaker 1: some of the different kind of adjustments that Mike Petton made.

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Speaker 1: I felt like the second half, until the Packers got

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Speaker 1: the defense really took the game from there. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: certainly the defense in between the twelve play what was

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Speaker 1: the seventy six yard drives. If you look at that's

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Speaker 1: the meat of the sandwich. On the outside of that,

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Speaker 1: there was Channon Sullivan's big play breaking up a pass

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Speaker 1: and then on the other side Adrian Amos with an interception.

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Speaker 1: But I think overall the Packer defense has really improved,

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Speaker 1: and I think part of it was just attitude, putting

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Speaker 1: that kind of effort, and as you mentioned, it's brought

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Speaker 1: them up in the standings, and if you look at

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Speaker 1: a number of different type situations, the various defensive categories

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Speaker 1: you can look at. I mean there are suddenly, you know,

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Speaker 1: after the Viking game they were in the twenties of

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Speaker 1: number one. The first week of the season, they're in

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Speaker 1: the twenties as far as defense goes, and now they

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Speaker 1: are very respectable and more in all the important categories.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to Mike Patton and his group. They really

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Speaker 1: came on throughout the season. And I'll tell you West,

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Speaker 1: one of the things about teams that contend is they

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Speaker 1: get better throughout the year. I know, it sounds kind

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Speaker 1: of simple. Everybody wants to get better, but not everybody

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Speaker 1: does it. The teams that contend figure out a way

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Speaker 1: to keep improved being throughout the year. And the Packers,

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Speaker 1: and in particular defense is a perfect example. And now, hey, people,

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Speaker 1: and children guys are to Yeah. No, they most certainly are.

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Speaker 1: And one other comparison, I drew too, and it's not

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Speaker 1: a full on straight line thing, but this defense reminds

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Speaker 1: me a lot of the four team unit. Now, there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a big adjustment where like Clay Matthews moving to

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker, but Chris Barnes stepping in as the MIC. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that's brought the most out of this thing.

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Speaker 1: His communication skills, his ability to read an offense and

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Speaker 1: Christian kirksey move into the will spot has actually really

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, Larry he's a guy that doesn't

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Speaker 1: up being an All Pro. But Adrian Amos has really

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Speaker 1: taken his game, I felt, to another level the second

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Speaker 1: you're talking about attitude, he brings it. Man. There was

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Speaker 1: one other moment in that game. I can't remember exactly

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Speaker 1: UH he's the kind of guy. I mean when they

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Speaker 1: him as he's gotten more comfort in Mike Patton's defense.

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Speaker 1: Really that that has brought the best out of his game.

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Speaker 1: Now when Adrian gets there, he arrives in a bad mood.

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Speaker 1: He puts the wood to people. And as you talk

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Speaker 1: a moment, but the defensive improvement. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Bears Radio during the pregame segment on Sunday and they

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Speaker 1: were asking about the Packers defense, and if you look

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Speaker 1: the Packers are getting in provement from all three levels.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the line of scrimmage. Very important. Kenny

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Speaker 1: Clark got healthy. You know, those those core type injuries. Boy,

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level. And then you mentioned him earlier. Inside

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Speaker 1: the Packers seem to have settled on Chris Barnes as

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Speaker 1: their every down inside linebacker. Now, Christian Kirksey, Camal Martin.

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Speaker 1: They'll get the reps in different personnel groups, but every down,

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Speaker 1: Chris Barnes is the guy, and he's just a football player.

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Speaker 1: If you watch him sometimes slow down one of his

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Speaker 1: tackles on film. If you watch him, there's just some

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Speaker 1: natural in eight snapped to his game. Stuff happens the

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Speaker 1: and instinctively he is just he belies that rookie status.

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Speaker 1: That is our show. We wish everybody a wonderful week

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford. Hopefully we'll be back in the chair with

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Speaker 1: I'll get you in the Hall, back to our desk absolutely,

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