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Speaker 3: Whoo whoo? And then and tie, welcome back to the

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Speaker 3: in the flesh and blood tomorrow. Yeah, Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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Speaker 3: how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I was hoping you're going to continue with

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Speaker 3: Wanted at this point because it's all muscle memory right

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Speaker 3: So you're introducing what exactly you if I just want

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Speaker 3: We can discuss on our history of show. Yeah, why

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Speaker 2: kind of things defensively without guys that have that mental makeup.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible with so much turnover now? And obviously

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinators come in with their own idea of what

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Speaker 1: four to three defense, A traditional fourthe defense obviously there

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Speaker 1: are you know, almost countless iterations thereof but in a

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Speaker 1: three four whether or not it's you know, the one

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Speaker 1: to make if you don't have that type of top,

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Speaker 1: when they're the responsibilities of these guys are so different

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Speaker 1: Is it possible to make that transition in a year?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, not successfully. I really don't. And

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Speaker 2: I think a perfect example of how coaches need to

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Speaker 2: and maybe coach out of their own bad habits more

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Speaker 2: than they need to coach their players. Look at Auburn

565
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Speaker 2: going to Will musch Champ and then going to Kevin

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Speaker 2: Steele the last two years. Now, how they were handled

567
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Speaker 2: mentally and emotionally was a little bit different. But Will

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Speaker 2: wanted to do everything. And I'll tell you this, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Steel two years ago with LSU was the same way,

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Speaker 2: and communication was a problem. I don't think college football

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Speaker 2: fans have any idea how big of a problem across

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Speaker 2: the board getting lined up on defenses and you can

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Speaker 2: just mean, well, think about what LSU fans are gonna

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Speaker 2: see with Matt Canada this year and how many I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why he's able to steal yards from his opponents

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Speaker 2: because he's going to give you a tackle over shift,

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Speaker 2: full back motion out of the backfield, receiver come in motion,

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Speaker 2: and then you're going to trade a tight end all

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Speaker 2: you can't get lined up, that's a free gap. And

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Speaker 2: you got a decent quarterback that knows where to go

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Speaker 2: with the ball and enough time for him to see

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Speaker 2: So I think getting lined up on defense it's one

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Speaker 2: of the difficult pass that a coordinator has in college

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Speaker 2: also a professional, so you have more time to put

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Speaker 2: into it. You go from a triple option one week

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Speaker 2: to an air raid offense in college football, I mean

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Speaker 2: you're seeing completely different styles, completely different pace, completely different

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Speaker 2: personnel groupings, and it's just a lot for these young

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Speaker 2: men to handle. And I think Kevin Steel did a

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Speaker 2: great job at Auburn last year. My biggest concern with

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Speaker 2: him coming in was he has got to dumb down

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Speaker 2: the communication, and that doesn't necessarily mean terminology or the

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Speaker 2: amount of defenses they run. He's got to find a

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Speaker 2: way to let his kids just line up and play ball.

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Speaker 2: And I've had conversations with him, and he said, Cole,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just letting these kids go play ball and

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Speaker 2: the three things that a defensive coordinator has to make

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Speaker 2: sure that they're getting first and foremost. If you line

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Speaker 2: up and you know what your assignment is on a

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Speaker 2: play and you give good effort, you should be like

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Speaker 2: a top thirty defense in the country if you have

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Speaker 2: any kind of ability as far as your players are concerned,

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Speaker 2: because that's the biggest Those are the three big hurdles

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Speaker 2: of any defensive coordinator. Now we can go into disguis

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Speaker 2: and coverages and blitzes and stunts and all that. That's

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Speaker 2: to speak. But I think it's very difficult from a

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Speaker 2: the coaches who understand. I mean, I had an order

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Speaker 2: and he's like, I think we ran based defense eighty

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Speaker 2: want to go to a three man front, you hear sabing,

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Speaker 2: he always talks about. When people start bringing that up,

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Speaker 2: We were in a four man front sixty five percent

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Speaker 2: time last three weeks. You have to do that to

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Speaker 2: even things out when people are going four and five wide.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to go three man front, that's great,

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Speaker 2: but eventually it's got to even itself out, and you're

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Speaker 2: very difficult transition, a perfect You know, we talk about

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Speaker 2: Arkansas a lot coming up this season. I don't feel

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Speaker 2: like the solution to your problem if you couldn't get

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Speaker 2: lined up last year, it's to completely revamp the defense.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a very difficult transition

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Speaker 2: because it's more complicated than what it was a year ago.

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Speaker 2: And to think that those guys are just all of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously there's you know, a lot of evidence

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Speaker 1: long they ran their base defense, they didn't get super exotic,

647
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: and they just perfected it. They mastered it. Why do

648
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: you think it is that guys come in and try

649
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, is it just a pride thing? Is it

650
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: just trying to outthink the room. Why do guys come

651
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: in and sort of say we are going to sort

652
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: of disguise everything we're and do exotic things instead of

653
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: saying we are going to start out very basic and

654
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: expand from there.

655
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: I think ego is a big part of it. And

656
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: I also think that coaches want to prove themselves, just

657
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: want to make things happen. Coaches don't want to be

658
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: the team that gets you beat. So if you get

659
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: a sack, a sack fumble, if you get an interception,

660
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: a pick six. If you get your negative plays, things

661
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: that show up in the stat box, things that fans

662
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: can noticeably see, then all of a sudden, that makes

663
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: you look good and the perception of you raises, and

664
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: then your value increases. And I think sometimes coaches feel

665
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: like they need to win the game on their side

666
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: of the ball all the time. It's one thing that

667
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: I really like about Eddie Grant at Kentucky, their offensive coordinator.

668
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: If he needs to go fast, he'll go fast. If

669
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 2: they're up ten in the fourth quarter, he's not going fast,

670
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna thrittle back. He's probably gonna go wildcat offense

671
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: and play ground and pass. But if they need to

672
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: chuck it forty times and go fast and go tempo,

673
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: then he's going to do that. And I see it

674
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: more with offensive coordinators than defensive coordinators. I mean guys

675
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: who are up, guys who are up fourteen points in

676
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: the second half and they're show tossing the ball of

677
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: the place and going fast and going tempo, and they say, well,

678
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: that's just what we do. Well, that's not good coaching.

679
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: You coach to win a game, you don't coach the

680
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: score points. You don't coach to get sacks, you don't

681
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: coach to get interceptions. You coach to win games. And

682
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: I think the biggest difference is there are so many

683
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: individuals in this sport instead of just guys buying into

684
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: the team concept these days, and that includes coaches, players, administrators,

685
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: everybody that everyone's got to prove themselves and everyone have

686
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: to make a name for themselves as opposed to coaching

687
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: to help your team win a game, no matter how

688
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: much you might like it or dislike it.

689
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Coaches have you know, they've been everywhere. It's say, it's

690
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: a highly traveled job. You know, everybody sort of worked

691
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: with everybody, but obviously everybody does things their own way.

692
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: And specific to evaluation, how widely does evaluation vary from

693
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, college coaches looking at high school kids. You know,

694
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: obviously Alabama has a system in which they you know,

695
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: have a physical model. They you know, they want cornerbacks

696
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: to be this size, they want, you know, defensive linemen

697
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: to be this tall, have this sort of wingspan, whatever.

698
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: How widely does the evaluation process really vary?

699
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: Probably not a wide as we think, because a lot

700
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: of college coaches are relying on the same people to

701
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: evaluate their talent. I mean, how many if we took

702
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: all if we took the top twenty percent of Power

703
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: five schools, how many different kids are they really going

704
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: after every year? I mean recruiting out of high school.

705
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: So the process becomes more valuable the lower you get

706
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: in college football in my opinion, because those are the guys,

707
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, the Dan Mullens are the ones that have

708
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: to go after two and three star guys and try

709
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: to turn them into big time players at the SEC

710
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: level against four and five star kids on a regular basis.

711
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: So you know, I think you're Michigan's, Ohio States, Florida State's, Clemson's, Auburns, Tennessee,

712
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: and Alabamas. For the most part, they're going after the

713
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: same kids. So the evaluation process is not too much different.

714
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: I think it changes when you get to the American Conference,

715
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: when you get to the Sun Belt, when you get

716
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: to Vanderbilt, when you get to Mississippi State, you know,

717
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: when you get to Temple, you know, that's when it

718
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: changes a little bit. And you take a kid that's

719
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: two inches shorter, or you take a kid that's fifteen

720
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: poundslide than what you ideally would want him to be,

721
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: but you see something in him. You know Jeff Collins.

722
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: You saw Jeff Collins, and is that Mississippi State would

723
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: tell me he offered three or four kids a year

724
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: without ever seeing him play football. He would see him wrestle,

725
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: or he would see him play basketball, or he would

726
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: see him in a seven on seven and he'd be like, Athletically,

727
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: I just knew I could turn that kid into a player.

728
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: I would find a place for him on the field,

729
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: and it works a lot of times. So I think

730
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: the process changes the lower you go in the realm

731
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: of football, and from college to the NFL. I don't

732
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: think it's very different. I think what they want, what

733
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: they look for is very similar. I just think you

734
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: have different guys with different ideals about what they like

735
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: and don't like. I talked to one scout who will

736
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 2: tell you that ninety percent of his grade is based

737
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: on feeling and potential and what they think he can be.

738
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: He'll talk to another scout that says, I need to

739
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: see production and physically he has to meet a certain criteria.

740
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: So I think it probably varies a little bit more

741
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: from college to the NFL, even though they're looking at

742
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: the same pool of guys, a similar pool of guys,

743
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: but in college I think it definitely varies from top

744
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: to bottom because you're not you're not picking from the

745
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: same tree.

746
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up other sports. I was thinking

747
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: about this recently and what what sport? I mean, It's

748
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: easy to look at a quarterback and say, it's great

749
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: that this quarterback played basketball and baseball, and you know,

750
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen played tennis, so his shoulder is strong and

751
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: his footwork is great. Uh, what sport? I guess specifically

752
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: for offensive linemen, first, if you find out that they

753
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: play this sport aside from whatever you've seen from them

754
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: on tape, you know that they played this sports that

755
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: you are giving them, you know they're higher in your head.

756
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Is there a specific game that they would play as

757
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, is it wrestling? Is it basketball? What is

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: it about offensive lineman outside of the field that would

759
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: impress you.

760
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: It's wrestling, And I wish I would have done it.

761
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: If I could go back and change something about my

762
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: high school career. I was too embarrassed to wear a

763
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: single because I was when I was in high school. Yeah,

764
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: but if I could go back, I would have changed it.

765
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: We had a I went to Homewood High School just

766
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: outside of Birmingham. We had a really good wrestling program

767
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: and I probably should have done it just for the

768
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: conditioning and maybe I wouldn't have been as fat just

769
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: practicing every day. That would have been okay. But that

770
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: get that works so well with your balance, understanding your body,

771
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: understanding how to fall, understanding how not to fall. Uh.

772
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: And I mean you just you think about the concept

773
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: of wrestling and at one on one and what's required

774
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: of you there, there's going to be a lot of

775
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: that with a guard on a defensive tackle or a

776
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: tackle on a defensive end. I mean that's they're very

777
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: similar engagements as far as human on human. So I

778
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 2: think the footwork obviously is a big is a big

779
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: deal as well. You just you learn how to move

780
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: on your feet, you learn how to be tied up

781
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: with another individual who's trying to get you to the

782
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: ground on your feet. There's just there, there are a

783
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: lot of value. If any offensive lineman came to me

784
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: and said what else should I be doing, the first

785
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: thing I tell them to do is stretch. Because most

786
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: offensive linemen are not anywhere near flexible enough. The second

787
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: thing I'll tell them to do is wrestle. It's going

788
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: to help your conditioning, it's going to help your balance,

789
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: it's going to help your feet, and it's going to

790
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: help your body awareness. All are extremely valuable when playing offensive.

791
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Well on the other side of the ball. I think

792
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: you know and Doma can Sue Famous played soccer as

793
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: a kid. Helloadi Natap played rugby, which is about the

794
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: scariest thing I can think about right now as a

795
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: high school kid. What about defensive lineman? What would impress you?

796
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: I guess beyond wrestling because obviously a lot of those

797
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: skills apply about defensive lineman.

798
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: Athletically, yeah, I think basketball is one that I like

799
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: because it requires explosion. I mean, jumping for a rebound,

800
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: jumping to dunk. I mean even there's even an aspect

801
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: of shooting that requires a little bit of explosiveness. And

802
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: when you play defensive line you need you need to explode.

803
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: So if you had a guy who maybe did the

804
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: high jump or maybe through the shot put in track,

805
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: those things also become a little bit valuable. And the

806
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: lateral movement with your feet in basketball is something that

807
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: I think helps defensive lineman a little bit more than

808
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: it does offensive lineman. So those are the things that

809
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: I think a D lineman explosiveness is huge. When you're

810
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: talking about a D lineman, that initial twitch off the ball,

811
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: that's where really most times, if you're in a one

812
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: on one situation as a D lineman, that initial get

813
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: off is where you win or lose. Now, there are

814
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: guys who are technically sound enough and strong enough and

815
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: just physically gifted enough that can overtake an offensive lineman

816
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: if they lose that initial get off, but the ones

817
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: who can win it and win it on a regular

818
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: basis are the ones that dominate. I mean, go watch

819
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: Derek Barnett last year at Tennessee. He didn't have an

820
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: array of moves. He wasn't beaten guys with all these

821
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: crazy inside spin moves and these double spin, these double

822
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: head fakes and all this other stuff. That guy just

823
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: had e laite get off and there wasn't anything many

824
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: teams could do about it. Same thing with Tim Williams

825
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: of Alahama. Really fast, but he won with getoff and

826
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: he had an elite get off. So that all goes

827
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: back to being explosive and understanding how to be explosive,

828
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: especially in your lower body.

829
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: What is it about defensive line coaches or even offensive

830
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: line coaches who are particularly good about finding guys. You

831
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: mentioned Jeff Collins and watching them play other sports, but

832
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: I guess the question would be, who are the guys

833
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: right now that you just you admire their ability to

834
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: always find and develop even if they're not you know,

835
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: four star, five star guys that are always able to

836
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: see the potential and help the guys reach the ceiling.

837
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: Who are guys that continually impress you?

838
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Well, Jeff would be one. And I've known Jeff since

839
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: he was at Mississippi State, and I mean you go

840
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: back to when he had the Cheetah playing outside linebacker.

841
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean he recruited he recruited Bear to play, Bray

842
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 2: Wilson to play wide receiver there, and I'm not sure

843
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: how many other football scholarship offers he even had. He

844
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: saw him play basketball and brought him in. Dan Mullen

845
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: got to be a guy that you really like and

846
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: respect when it comes to that, because I mean just

847
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: the Nick Fitzgerald Dak Prescott alone, I mean, I don't

848
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: we don't even really need to go any further than that,

849
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: the fact that he took Nick Fitzgerald away from Tennessee Chattanooga,

850
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: a guy that was running the fear in high school,

851
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: throwing the ball two or three times a game, and

852
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: he led the SEC in total offense last year, and

853
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 2: I've got him predicted to be my SEC Offensive Player

854
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: of the Year this year. And then of course what

855
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: he did with Dak who was basically offered as a

856
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: tight end at LSU or something crazy, and now look

857
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: what he's doing in the NFL. So Dan, especially at

858
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: that position, just kind of has an i for talent,

859
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: has an eye for being able to bring guys in

860
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: and do some different things. And I think Will Muschamp

861
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Speaker 2: and t Robins South Carolina are sort of the same way.

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Speaker 2: They don't bring in just the elite five star defensive backs.

863
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Speaker 2: T rob knows how to go into South Florida and

864
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Speaker 2: see the way a kid runs, see the way a

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Speaker 2: kid's hips move, see his mental makeup, and knows how

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Speaker 2: to be able to see. He'll say, I can take

867
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Speaker 2: that guy and turn him into a quality defensive back.

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Speaker 2: And I think Will has that also. I've said for

869
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Speaker 2: a while since they were high to the bottom. To

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Speaker 2: complete the full roster than South Carolina has ever had

871
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Speaker 2: ever and that includes Burrier and Holt and all those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I know they had Clowney in Latimore. They might

873
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Speaker 2: not get the same top end guys, but that bottom

874
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of the roster when they're done there, when

875
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: they're rolling there will be more talented than they've ever

876
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Speaker 2: had it in Colombia.

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Speaker 1: All right, and final question, final topic. Because we hit

878
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: so much about offensive defensive line evaluation today on Twitter,

879
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I just happened to come across this. You rank pizza places.

880
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to ask you. I don't want to

881
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: deep dive pizza if pizza isn't a specific passion of yours.

882
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: So food wise, this is very important to somebody watches. Okay,

883
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: it is. I just didn't want to make sure that,

884
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Speaker 1: like you were, like a barbecue was something, something was

885
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: above pizza. So your top five kind of weird.

886
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: That kind of weird that I live in Alabama and

887
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: barbecue is not probably my top three. That's fine, And

888
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: I've got some of the best barbecue in the state,

889
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: like within a walking distance, which for a former offensive

890
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: line is now very far. So pizza and Mexican are

891
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: sort of my that's where I fall off the cliff.

892
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: You know I have, I have. I have kind of

893
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: a personality that's you know, it's it's very compulsive and

894
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: I over indulge at times. And peka in Mexican are

895
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: the two things that'll get me every single time.

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Speaker 1: So what needs to be First of all, let's start

897
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Speaker 1: with pizza. You listed Peaquads, which I've heard great things about.

898
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: My wife is from Chicago. Peaquads is your number one?

899
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: What makes pea Quad's you're number one?

900
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay? First off, everyone knows about Chicago deep dish pizzas.

901
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: It's not a secret, and it's very rare that you

902
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: can find it like you can in Chicago, like blue Maltinis.

903
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: I think it is. I've never been right Loue Mountains.

904
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: I've never been, but everyone tells me how great it is.

905
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: I've been to a couple of other I've been to

906
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: a couple other deep dish places in Chicago, but pea

907
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Quad does this deal. They have this like caramelized crust

908
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: and it's the only place in the world that I've

909
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: eaten pizza that I literally can't wait to get to

910
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the crust. I mean, every other A lot of places

911
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: are like, oh, this crust is pretty good, but this

912
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: crust is manageable. It's like, I don't mind eating this crust.

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Speaker 2: Some places you just leave the crust. Pea Quad, I'm

914
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Speaker 2: actually excited to get to the crust at Pea Quad's

915
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: it's that good.

916
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Speaker 1: So I think so that's I think a little bit

917
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Speaker 1: of a Detroit influence. I don't know if you've eaten

918
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: Detroit style pizza. They put like the cheese like so

919
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: it goes over the crust. So that's what you get,

920
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: like that, but cheese. That's a that's a really great move.

921
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: New York wise, are you have you spent time up here?

922
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Do you have a specific preference?

923
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: Not in not in the city. No, I mean I've

924
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: been that For some reason, I haven't eaten pizza a

925
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: lot when I've gone to New York. What's funny about

926
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Speaker 2: that is home in Alabama, where I grew up, there's

927
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Speaker 2: a place called New York Pizza. Now it's not deep

928
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: dish and real authentic New Yorkers would tell you it's

929
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: not necessarily New York style pizza. Sure, but they have

930
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Speaker 2: a they have a whole wheak crust, which and again

931
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: we're talking about pizza, So it's not anybody's really talking

932
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: about being healthy when they're EA Pizza. Yep. For some reason,

933
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: their whole wheak crust case five times better than their

934
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Speaker 2: regular crust.

935
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Speaker 3: Wow.

936
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Speaker 2: So if you go double pepperoni whole wheak crust at

937
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: New York Pizza in Homewan, Alabama, they have the best

938
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Speaker 2: sauce I've ever had. The best sauce of any pizza

939
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Speaker 2: that I've ever had is at New York Pizza in

940
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Speaker 2: homew With, Alabama. So it's not necessarily New York style,

941
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: but the name of the joint is New York Pizza

942
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: right there in downtown home Wold, and it is. It

943
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: is phenomenal. But I am open to suggestions for the

944
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: next time I'm in New York to go grab some

945
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: New York style pizza.

946
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: So my number one right now in New York is

947
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: a place called Polyg's. And I don't think I have

948
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: to sell you too much on it because one, it's

949
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: great pizza.

950
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: Two the sort of name.

951
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, The signature pie that they have is called

952
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: the hell Boy, and it's spicy soapro Soada's so pepperoni essentially,

953
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: And what they do is they drizzle a hot honey,

954
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: like a spicy honey on top of that a lot,

955
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: but you get that sweet and spicy and it's outstanding.

956
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Do you have a yeah, yeah, no, it's it's special.

957
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Do you have like a maximum number of toppings that

958
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: you will accept on a pie?

959
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: I have the place that I was telling you about,

960
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: New York Pizza. They have one called the Statue of Liberty,

961
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: which is what my when I was a kid and

962
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: we would go there, my mom would always get like

963
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: a smaller medium Statue of Liberty for her and it

964
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: literally has everything everything on that pizza. And so for me,

965
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't really into that, but I would always like

966
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: a piece or two of that. So I don't mind

967
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: as much as you want to put on a pizza.

968
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: It's great if I have it my way your I

969
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: realize this is boring. Double pepperoni for me is will

970
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: make me as happy as anything on the planet. So

971
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: it's kind of boring. It's not special, it's not crazy,

972
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: But I'm just like a double pepperoni guy, and I'm

973
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: good to go.

974
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I am totally with you. That just

975
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: cover the thing and cured me and one specific one

976
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: so you get you got a good balance to it,

977
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: and life is great. Life is really good.

978
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: The same the same thing. Like I go to some

979
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: of our favorite Mexican places and I get the same

980
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: thing every time I get for heat to beef tacos soft.

981
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: My wife is like, man, don't you want to try

982
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: this enchilada or this case to be as good. I'm like,

983
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: we got a really good thing here with this taco

984
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: and the way that they make it is even better.

985
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't understand why I need to beer off that path.

986
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, fuck what I was talking about

987
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: some of these Dolphins ve coordinators. It's like, we're winning

988
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: the games. Why do we need to throw the football.

989
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: Let's just keep running the ball to get out of

990
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: here with a ten point win on the road, and

991
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: we're all going to be happy.

992
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: Have you spent time in Italy or Mexico.

993
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: I have been to Mexico and I have eaten I

994
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: would say street tacos, but it was actually a dirt road,

995
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: so I guess dirt road tacos. I had like a

996
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: food truck in Mexico and they were phenomenal. Some of

997
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: the best food I've ever had in my life. I

998
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: have not been to Italy. My wife's been a summer

999
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: there when she was in college, and she's been begging

1000
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: to go back. So that's going to be once our

1001
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: kids are old enough for us to really travel, that's

1002
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: going to be towards the top of our list.

1003
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I will give you this tip that we actually received

1004
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: from a listener. If you go to Rome, Roman style

1005
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: pizza is like a cracker crust and not very good.

1006
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure you go to like

1007
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: a Neapolitan type place in Rome to get that role.

1008
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: Like a little bit of poof to the crust, a

1009
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: little bit of chew, real hot oven. That's the move.

1010
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: See here we go again. That's that's that go to

1011
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: for the pizza for the people that like see they

1012
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: can do healthy pizza, and they want to do like

1013
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: that uber thin, like crunchy crust, and it's like, guys,

1014
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: we're eating pizza here. Help should not be in the

1015
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: same sentence as eating pizza. Those two things don't go together.

1016
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: I completely. And to what about alternate cheeses.

1017
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm okay mixing cheeses a little bit like if you

1018
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: want to throw if you want to throw some different

1019
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: cheese in there, But again I just go back to

1020
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: keep it basic, but stick with the fundamentals here, blocking

1021
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: and tackling and how we're going to win games. That's

1022
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: how you're gonna get my belly with pizza, blocking and tackling.

1023
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: Just give me, give me cheese, give me pepperoni, give

1024
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: me a good crust, and I'm going to tell people

1025
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: that they should come eat your pizza.

1026
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: I love it. That's a perfect note to end on

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Speaker 3: Cole Cublic SEC Network. Go follow them on Twitter but

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Speaker 1: Cute Cole, Thanks, thank you much for your time.

1031
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Speaker 2: Hey, I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me.

1032
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1033
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Speaker 3: Okay, Dan again, Cole Kubliic SEC Network. I like that.

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Speaker 3: That was really good.

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Speaker 3: Very happy to finally have him on the program. As

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Speaker 3: he said, he's a guy we've been following and paying

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Speaker 3: attention to for quite some time. Certainly he's welcome back

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Speaker 3: to Talk Pizza Talk Wardam Trench Warfare mm hmm any

1041
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Speaker 3: point in time. Okay. As we said at the top

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Speaker 3: of the show, we got two good ones coming out

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Speaker 3: Deep Dive. And then the second is going to be

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Speaker 1: be a good venue, it'll be great, there'll be food

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Speaker 1: available for purchase whatever, and the shirt will be soon.

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Speaker 1: We're finalizing that this weekend, so that should be very soon.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten a lot of emails about people who moved

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Speaker 1: on the last shirt a little bit too late and

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Speaker 1: wanted to know about a new shirt, so we'll be

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Speaker 1: releasing that definitely early to mid August. And beyond that,

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Speaker 1: Instagram stories, we're answering bonus Q and A because we

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Speaker 1: don't do Q and A every week obviously, but Instagram

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Speaker 1: stories are super fun. I almost get hit by cars,

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Speaker 1: so there's it's enjoyment for everybody, so follow our Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: It's just solid verbal.

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Speaker 3: For that gentleman over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 3: for myself, Tie Hilden brand. We will catch you all

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Speaker 3: in just a couple of days. A lot of fun

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Speaker 3: stuff ahead in the meantime, day soft peace. So what

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Speaker 3: you're really wearing a proper cloth shirt right now?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: Am? You should check your phone? There it is, I am.

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Speaker 3: You look like you're being held in captivity. But it's

1093
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Speaker 3: a very nice shirt.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in captivity, although technically I am sort of

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Speaker 1: in captivity. It's the room is six feet by oh,

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Speaker 1: twelve feet. It's pretty good in here. It used to

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Speaker 1: be really warm and now it's now. I'm okay. I've

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Speaker 1: got one of those little cone, those sound cones around

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Speaker 1: the around the mic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I mean, I just hope you get out.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm concerned about. Because we have to do

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Speaker 3: two shows tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'll be good. We am for dinner.

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Speaker 3: I haven't decided yet. I do want to get one

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Speaker 3: of those shirts, though, So I'm writing this down here.

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Speaker 2: Do it.

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Speaker 1: It's actually it like it didn't take that long.

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Speaker 3: Propercloth dot com Solid Solid's the code twenty bucks off

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Speaker 3: the first shirt. That's actually a really good deal.