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Speaker 3: Good morning, Swirl and welcome to the Not Dawks podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, November seventeen, and everything

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Speaker 3: is happening on J. E. Skeats alongside me. As always,

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Speaker 3: we got tassinoos Hey everybody, Hey, taesssy, We've got the

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Speaker 3: best master, Trey Kirby. Hell, hey, we got the international

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Speaker 3: man of mystery taking it to the max Leilis friends,

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Speaker 3: but not least making the magic happen here JD. Hello, Thereius,

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Speaker 3: here we are. Yes, NBA trade season is upon us quickly.

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Speaker 3: We're recording this around ten am Eastern here on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: I say that because who knows what news is gonna

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Speaker 3: keep your eyes on the tweets as you never know

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Speaker 3: what type of trade we're gonna get next, because we

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Speaker 2: Oh boy.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's start with the Phoenix Suns, who have

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Speaker 3: agreed in principle on a deal to acquire Chris Paul.

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Speaker 3: The trade sends CP three and abdel Nator to the

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Speaker 3: Suns for Kelly Ubre Junior, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome Jalen Kek. Looklick,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sure how you say it. I thought

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited about Jordan Leque's future in the NBA. No,

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Speaker 4: I am pumped for the Phoenix Suns. I think it's

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Speaker 4: Chris Paul's an old man in terms of basketball years

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Speaker 4: because he had such a good year last year. He

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Speaker 4: the Phoenix Sons, you could have Chris Paul for only

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Speaker 4: one year potentially if he doesn't want to get into

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think you go for it

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Speaker 4: They are not a championship contender with Chris Paul subbing

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Speaker 4: But I think five years into Devin Booker's career, you

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Speaker 4: just got to show the guy that we made that

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Speaker 4: And I think if they decided to sit on their

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Speaker 4: then that would really hurt their reputation. It would hurt

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Speaker 4: with Devin Booker, it would make that quiet arena even quieter.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those weirder teams that is better on

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Speaker 4: people will look at this and say they gave up Ubery.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good player. I wonder about Kelly Bray

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Speaker 4: They could definitely turn around and trade Rubio, But I

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, two thumbs up. Actually, you guys know, I'm

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Speaker 2: that was just outside of the playoffs. We've seen it

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Speaker 2: makes sense because the Suns haven't made the playoffs in

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Speaker 2: and that's what the Suns need to show. Devin Booker.

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Speaker 2: but basically, ten teams are going to be making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Wherever they end up falling, they're gonna be better than

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Speaker 2: But that's how you use a trade chip. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: who's gonna raise your status in the Western Conference, make

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Speaker 2: a great move. It is weird to me for Chris

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Speaker 2: Why is he moving around like this? It feels similar

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Speaker 2: I think this is a smart move by the Suns.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you just gotta take that next step. You know.

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Speaker 2: The Suns finally improved this past season for the first

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Paul instead of their trade led the league

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Speaker 3: It was healthy, played lace many games. He reunates with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll have an impact, no question about his leadership

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Speaker 5: the playoffs. That's the first step. Now, what's the ceiling

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Speaker 5: Chris Paul does move the needle for the Suns. He

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Speaker 5: for them, and that's what they need right now. Phoenix,

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Speaker 5: they've been a disastrous franchise for a long time. They've

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Speaker 4: To be honest, our man John Hollinger, a much smarter

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, maybe SGA's points per game are going

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Speaker 3: So they're just like, yeah, that's bind them help.

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe may I think a lot of people

429
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Speaker 5: thought that going into last season though as well. I

430
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 5: mean the thunder were reportedly trying to trade Chris Paul

431
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 5: but couldn't find the destination for him. And those players

432
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 5: you talk about, you know, they're all star players, all

433
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 5: NBA players, Paul, George Westbrook, and Chris Paul, but they

434
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 5: all wanted out of Okay see as well. So Presty

435
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 5: at that point is like, well, I may as well

436
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 5: just get these assets that I can as far as

437
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 5: draft picks. And what he does with those now is

438
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 5: that that's a huge question because he has to turn

439
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Speaker 5: them into something tangible. But I also suspect with so

440
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,959
Speaker 5: many that he has given the timeline that he's on,

441
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 5: like in twenty twenty seven, at that point, if the

442
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 5: team isn't competing for a championship, still trying to build

443
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 5: through the draft, then it's probably failed anyway. So I

444
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 5: suspect he probably will use some of these at some

445
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 5: point to try to require a veteran to come along

446
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Speaker 5: to join some of these younger players. That's what I believe,

447
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 5: because he's just got too many picks right now, too

448
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 5: many picks. I didn't know you could have such a thing.

449
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Speaker 5: But you know, I think it's just one of those

450
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 5: situations that Sam Presty knows that like, okay See is

451
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 5: not a free agent destination. He's had good players there,

452
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 5: but if these guys won out and if he can,

453
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 5: you know, maximize the return in terms of assets, then

454
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 5: that's really all he can do and then he has

455
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Speaker 5: to go. And I agree with also what you're saying

456
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Speaker 5: there with Kevin Durant and Greg odin their trade, because

457
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Speaker 5: I mean, he didn't pick Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant was

458
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 5: available at number two. Like It's not as though that

459
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 5: was like a savvy move. It was like, Blazers, are

460
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Speaker 5: you going to take him? Or are we going to

461
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 5: take him? It's up to you, and the Blazers chose

462
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Speaker 5: the wrong decision. So he did that. But I think

463
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Speaker 5: as well, though you're talking about okay See fans, I

464
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 5: think you have to convince yourself that, like, wow, we've

465
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 5: got all these assets, we are going to get some

466
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 5: very very good players out of this. Because the Thunder

467
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 5: did put draft Russell Westbrook and they did draft James

468
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 5: Harden and Presty gets credit for those as well. Now

469
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 5: they're obviously both gone as well now. But you know,

470
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Speaker 5: if you can get a couple of those picks to

471
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Speaker 5: be like two, three whatever in the draft, you expect

472
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Speaker 5: you are going to get a whole quality player out

473
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Speaker 5: of it. So that's what I think the okay, see

474
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 5: Thunder fans sort of convincing themselves on right now. And look,

475
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 5: Dort showed some improvement down there in the bubble. He's

476
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Speaker 5: got to work on his offensive game.

477
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Speaker 2: At the time. I's going crazy.

478
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Speaker 5: You look at the Dort's got some potential there, and

479
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 5: he's there basically he's an intern basically for the Thunder

480
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 5: for the next two years. And Gil just Alexander, I mean,

481
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 5: he's a very very good young player.

482
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Speaker 3: So you know, there are.

483
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Speaker 5: Some pieces there. Of course, they're not anywhere near ready

484
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Speaker 5: to compete right now, but I can see in two

485
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 5: or three four years time that if they all come together,

486
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 5: the Thunder should be a very very good team in

487
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 5: the Western Conference. As Lebron and the Lakers and the Clippers,

488
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Speaker 5: those players move on and certainly, I mean Lebron will

489
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Speaker 5: be thirty eight or whatever, and some of those Clippers

490
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 5: players into their mid thirties, that's when the Thunder should

491
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Speaker 5: be ready to make a challenge.

492
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Speaker 4: If we're going to talk lou Dora, we might have

493
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Speaker 4: to break up this podcast into two parts. There are

494
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Speaker 4: so many fricking trades to talk about that happened. I

495
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: went to bed and the whole league was treated.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it might not be done. I don't think

497
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Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, we got a lot to get here here.

498
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Speaker 2: I did it.

499
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Speaker 3: One more point about Okay, see though they are a

500
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Speaker 3: small market team. Again at credit to the Gulliver for

501
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: bringing this up. You wonder, with the pandemic and no

502
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: fans being in the arena and a lot of money

503
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 3: lost there on ticket sales, could this also with ownership

504
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: and pressty getting together. Yeah, they're thinking long term and

505
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: all this, but hey, this is saving money. Let's be honest.

506
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Speaker 3: We're getting off of a massive, massive contract here in

507
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: Chris Paul at a time where we're hemorrhaging money and

508
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: we're a small market team. I think there's probably some

509
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: truth to that as well. I'm not knocking it because

510
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: you guys are set at all getting picks back more

511
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 3: bites at the Apple, you know, more chances to get

512
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: a star star player like they have before in the past,

513
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: like Tredy took us through with the Sonics Pressede. So

514
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: it makes all sense. But I think that came into

515
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Speaker 3: play here as well, and maybe it's a little different again.

516
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: They were a good team, Chris Paul and these young

517
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Speaker 3: guys in the mix, and now, of course Shrooter's gone,

518
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: Chris Paul is gone, we get the shooter in a

519
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Speaker 3: second Gallin Harry is probably gonna be gone. I think

520
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Speaker 3: Steven Adams could be moved still, like they're going to

521
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Speaker 3: try and probably be the worst team in the league.

522
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Speaker 3: And hope you know that the ping pong balls bounced

523
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Speaker 3: their way and they get like a first or second

524
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Speaker 3: pick from one of these awesome guys that are apparently

525
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: going to be in the twenty twenty one draft. But

526
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a good point from Gulliver as well.

527
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: But let's keep it going here. You're right, tass Man,

528
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: everything was happening last night. I felt like Shavs of

529
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Speaker 3: the Athletic. He reported last night that the Bucks were

530
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 3: sending Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, three first round picks and

531
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 3: two pickswaps to the Pelicans in exchange for Drew Holiday.

532
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: On top of that, the Bucks decided to get Yannest

533
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Speaker 3: even more help. We got reports that Milwaukee will execute

534
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: a sign in trade with the Sacramento Kings for Bogdan.

535
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: Bogdanovic and Justin James is thrown in there. Bucks are

536
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: sending back Dante DiVincenzo or send also Iliasova, excuse me,

537
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 3: and DJ Wilson two deals. But it feels sort of

538
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: like a three team deal here with with what's going on.

539
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 3: In the end, the Bucks are getting Drew Holiday and

540
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Speaker 3: Bogdanovic and then giving up all those guys. They lost

541
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: a lot of their depth. But are you up or

542
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 3: down Tray on the Bucks going out getting aggressive, trying

543
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: to get help for Jannis to send that message, getting

544
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Speaker 3: Drew and Bogdanovic.

545
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big time up on this. I think this

546
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: is a great move for the Bucks. People were kind

547
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: of crushing them a little bit after the Chris Paul

548
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: trade when the news came out that the Bucks hadn't

549
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: even approached the thunder about that, saying what you're gonna

550
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: lose Giannis? Little did we know? Eleven thirty PM. As

551
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: soon as I closed my eyes, Drew Holliday heading to Milwaukee.

552
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Speaker 2: There is a lot of stuff going on, Like you're saying,

553
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: skeets there are, you know, losing George Hill and Eric Bledsoell.

554
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: That's some institutional knowledge that Milwaukee is gonna be losing.

555
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: But really, I don't think they gave up a whole bunch.

556
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: Holiday is a lot better version of Eric bledso I

557
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: think bog Don Bogdanovich. You know, he's got a lot

558
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: of fans on the Internet. He's gonna be a little

559
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: bit more versatile than George Hill. Really great news for

560
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: the Bog Bog boys out there. The defense might take

561
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: a step back, but I think between Brook, Lopez and

562
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Giannis you're gonna be able to make up for you know,

563
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: some of the some of the step back you're gonna

564
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: take going from George Hill to Bog Bog. But Drew

565
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: Holliday obviously plays defense as well. And for me, the

566
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: picks would be a problem giving up that many picks

567
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: and draft swaps. That can be a problem if Jannis leaves.

568
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: But honestly, if Jannis leaves, the team is screwed. Regardless.

569
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: You got to think that maybe there's a deal in

570
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: place already for him to want to pick up his

571
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: extension or something along those lines, or at least you know,

572
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: show me you're willing to make moves and spend a

573
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: little bit of money, and I'll be more interested and

574
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: sticking around in Milwaukee. But I don't know. I think

575
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: this makes them the favorites in the Eastern Conference, not

576
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: that they weren't already, but I think even more so.

577
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: When you get one of the biggest trade chips out there,

578
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: it's got to be a good move. And it feels

579
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: like Drew Holliday is just going to be a perfect

580
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: fit alongside Middleton and Jiannis. You know, he's gonna be

581
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: able to create off the dribble when they need him to.

582
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to hit from outside. He's gonna

583
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: get shots for himself and others. He's gonna do a

584
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: little bit of everything that they need. Compared to Eric Bledsoe,

585
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: who we've seen in the playoffs. He's gonna give you

586
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: a nice All Star caliber season and he's going to

587
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: get some talk at the All Star break and when

588
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna say, okay, okay, he's ahead of their defense,

589
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: who cares. Drew Holliday has shown up in the playoffs

590
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: and actually done it. He hasn't been there as many

591
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: times as Eric Bledsell, and it's gonna be a little

592
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: bit of a learning period for Giannis to play alongside

593
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: somebody different. Finally, but I think this is a great move.

594
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: What do you think tasks? Have they done enough here

595
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: to convince the honest to either sign the SuperMac extension

596
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: this offseason or at the very least try and convince

597
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: him to resign, you know, next offseason in twenty twenty

598
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: one when it becomes an unrestricted free agent if he

599
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: doesn't sign it, Well, did they do enough here in

600
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: your opinion?

601
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: I hope so, because they gave away their future, that's

602
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 4: for sure with all these picks and pick swaps. But

603
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 4: like basketball wise, they got so much better. The team

604
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: that lost to the Miami Heat last year in the playoffs,

605
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: it was Giannis and Chris Middleton could definitely play at

606
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: the end of games and brook Lopez. Those were the

607
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: three guys. Chris Middleton had to create a lot. Giannis

608
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: was there, brook Lopez was also there, but then they

609
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: didn't trust anybody else to finish games. George Hall was

610
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: kind of around, but he's way past this. Primary Bled

611
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: so they don't know if he's gonna be able to

612
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: close out games. Well, you got two guys you're just

613
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: plugging in there into the closing lineups. Drew Haliday is

614
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: a great player and will create off the dribble. He's

615
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: thirty years old. He's not Chris Paul. He's five years younger. Though.

616
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: I think that's a big part of this. It could

617
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: be somebody that grows with Giannis and then Bugdanovic is

618
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: a good player, and there's a reason why he has

619
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: lots of fans on the internet. It's because he does

620
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: it in the flashy ways. He hits big shots. He's

621
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: not great off the dribble. He is a catch and

622
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 4: shoot guy. He's forty percent on catch and shoot three.

623
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: So'll be getting a lot of those in the Milwaukee system.

624
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: He won't have to create because of those other names.

625
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: I just said, Middleton can do it, Drew can do it.

626
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: You've got a closing lineup. You don't have a bench

627
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: because they gave away absolutely everybody from their bench. But

628
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: those guys weren't really contributing a lot. Dante did de

629
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 4: Vincenzo didn't impress.

630
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: It doesn't play him anyway.

631
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just they weren't awesome. Many You're right, I

632
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: mean he didn't he didn't have a choice, Slash, he

633
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: didn't do it, Slash. I don't know what the heck

634
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: was happening there in Milwaukee. They've got to find They've

635
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: got seven guys on the roster, they've got to find

636
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: a way to fill it out. But I think this

637
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: hopefully comes with a handshake deal here, not only for

638
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: Giannis but also for Drew Holiday. If you're giving up

639
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: three first round picks plus two pick swaps for one

640
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: year of Drew Holiday, it's not a great look, it's

641
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: not productive. So hopefully it's a handshake deal for both Gianna's. Hey,

642
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: you're resigning, man. I think it is enough that, as

643
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: Trey said, they should be the favorites. But it's not

644
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: going to be easy going into the second round, in

645
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: the third round, in the Eastern Conference, Boston's still there,

646
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: in Miami, Brooklyn, Toronto, of Philadelphia, there's no one's going

647
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: to be a pushover. But hopefully, again for the Bucks

648
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: and John Horst making these moves, that these guys stick around.

649
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: But when you look at the picks, Bobby Marks broke

650
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: it down on Twitter the first one's a number twenty

651
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: four or in this upcoming draft, so it's not a

652
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: great pick, and then it's they're unprotected later on twenty

653
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: twenty five and twenty twenty seven were already trading for

654
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: the world's going to be done by then. Who cares

655
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: call it? Call it? I think, yeah, you go all in.

656
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a bit of an overpay in terms of

657
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: a draft capital, but as Trey was saying, it's the

658
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: end of the world if Jannis leaves. Anyways, you have

659
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: to do something. And people will say, in comparison to

660
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: Chris Paul, who has just traded for Rubio Uber and

661
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: a first round pick, you just gave up the potential

662
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: for five first round picks for Drew Holiday. But I

663
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: think you know, it would be just a year or

664
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Speaker 4: two of Chris Paul. This should be years of Giannis

665
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: and Drew Holiday playing together. I think they are more

666
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: on their timelines. I know it's a it's a bit

667
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: of a crazy statement to sort of undercut Chris Paul

668
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Speaker 4: and what he is in the NBA. But they have

669
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Speaker 4: a team. They have guys that they can close out

670
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 4: games with now, and that's exciting. They have They have

671
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: really termed it around in terms of their roster, and

672
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: now they got to figure out the bench.

673
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have half a team. It's the best way

674
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: to put it, because you're right, the don't have a

675
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: lot of money to play with. But like they're gonna

676
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: have to hope that they get a lot of these

677
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: like guys that want to come and join you honest

678
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: and have a chance out of title.

679
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 4: Not a lot has more brothers. Yannis has more brothers.

680
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: This he's got cousins they bring.

681
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: Over brothers already got a championship.

682
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right, that's right.

683
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: It'll be tough to get him concid to come to Milwaukee.

684
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: But we also don't know what Bugdanovic's Contract's going to be. Yeah,

685
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: I mean we don't really know what it's even like

686
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: it could be anywhere like like what ten million to

687
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: twenty million.

688
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what the guy's going to sign for,

689
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: so that would come into play too. And I don't

690
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: even know if this is legal what they're doing really right,

691
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: You're seeing some like, uh, hold on, can you agree

692
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: to this sign and trade? Like I guess they maybe

693
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: the teams can because they've taught I don't know it's

694
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: it's very confusing. But anyway, he's there and he's going

695
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: to sign a deal. We'll see what it is. But

696
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: what do you think, Lee? Are you up or down

697
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: in general with what the Bucks have got here last night?

698
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: In these two.

699
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Speaker 5: Guys for sure, because as well as you guys saying

700
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: that Eric led so he delivers you a decent regular season,

701
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: but he's he just now has had enough time in

702
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: the playoffs to show up and he hasn't done it.

703
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 5: And George Hill is the same, a very good regular

704
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: season player, but what's the point when you come playoff

705
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 5: time You're like, I just can't trust these guys. Now,

706
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 5: there's a lot of pressure on Drew Holiday because he

707
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: now has to be the guy who steps up and delivers.

708
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: But I think he can be.

709
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: I think he's going to a situation where he is

710
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: competing for a championship and he's going to be good.

711
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: He's good at both ends of the floor. That's very

712
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: very important here for the Bucks. But I think the

713
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 5: big one really is that the Bogdanovich one came out

714
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 5: of nowhere. Really, I mean, we did not see that

715
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 5: coming at all, and the fact that all that really

716
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 5: cost them was Dante DiVincenzo. That's a steal I think

717
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: from Orkie because Ilius Sober went as well. Okay, he's

718
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 5: past his prime. He's just an insurance filler right now.

719
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: And Dj Wilson, I mean he's may not even been

720
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: the league next year. So really they gave up Dante DiVincenzo,

721
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 5: and I think they improved at that position in Bogdanovich.

722
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: I think he's a much better shooter, and I just

723
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: think that's what the Bucks need out on the floor.

724
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 5: So you know, all the things that you look at

725
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 5: for Mike Budenholzer during the regular season, he likes to

726
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: go ten deep. Even in the playoffs, he likes to

727
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 5: go ten deep. This is I think a message though

728
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 5: from the Bucks are saying, you need to just play

729
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 5: your best players the most minutes in the playoffs. Now,

730
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: they do have to fill out that roster, but you

731
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: only have to get some veterans who can fill in,

732
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 5: just some cheap ones who are looking to just sort

733
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: of tag along and maybe write some coattails here. That's

734
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: what you need to do because in the playoffs, you know,

735
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: Kyle Korova I think played twenty five minutes in one

736
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: game against the Miami Heat. That's not good. I mean,

737
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: as much as I love Kyle Korva, he shouldn't be

738
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: out there as a major player on your team. He's

739
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 5: a role player who fills in a handful of minutes

740
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: every now and again. So this is a huge season

741
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: now for Milwaukee, huge huge season.

742
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: I mean, if.

743
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 5: Things don't work out for them now, and what workout

744
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: means at the minimum Eastern Conference Finals, I think that's

745
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: anything less than that will be a failure on this season.

746
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: Then Budenholz has gone. And of course, depending on what

747
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: Yannis does with his contract extension, whether or not he

748
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: signs it, he could be gone as well.

749
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: But you have to do it.

750
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: You have to go in. You have to go all

751
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: in and improve the team. If you had come back

752
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: with that team with Eric Ledsoe again as your starting point, GUD,

753
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: that would have just been yeah, press.

754
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: They couldn't do it again. I mean, they already did

755
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: do nothing the first time. They lose to the Raptors

756
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: and everyone's like, Okay, they're just basically bringing back the

757
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: same team, which they did, and then they get embarrassed

758
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: by the Heat and now Joannis is injured, Nag and

759
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: all that, but you're right, they had to do something. Hey,

760
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: this will be the greatest Bucks trade in history of

761
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: their franchise. If Yannas signs a supermax extension done as

762
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: simple as that, If he signs for long term, then

763
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: this is the best deal in their history.

764
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: Well they did get Kareem ap dul Jabba. They gave him.

765
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: The worst trade.

766
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of franchise history. But yeah, it's all

767
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: it just all hinges on that and and it's just

768
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: that's what's fascinating. Is this enough? Is he excited about this?

769
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: They're they're not just running it back. And you know,

770
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: bootonholes are still there. We thought he might be gone,

771
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: but they obviously have some sort of you know a relationship.

772
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about Giannis and Bud, So yeah, I

773
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: think I think it's still likely. I've been saying all along,

774
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: and he's going sign there, but he hasn't yet.

775
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 5: Science does he does he?

776
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: Does he do that?

777
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: Now?

778
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 5: Does he like to see how it plays out? Because

779
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: that contract is going to be sitting there for him

780
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 5: next season, right right? You know, there's no real rush

781
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: for him to do it. You know, he keeps his

782
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 5: options open, and you know, so I think I think

783
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 5: he probably holds off. I'm gonna say he holds off.

784
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: Until twenty twenty one to decide. Yeah, depending on how

785
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: they play this year and how they look, yeah, and

786
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: who they match up in the playoffs and how far

787
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: they go. Yeah, it's very it's very possible. And just

788
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: before we move on, tray anything you want, like from

789
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: the Pelican side of things or the King side of things,

790
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, not huge, huge names coming back. You're obviously

791
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: a lot of picks, Like we said for Griffin and

792
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: New Orleans. Anything to add from those two sides.

793
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: Not much to add for the Kings, I guess they're

794
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: choosing Buddy Healed over Bog Bog.

795
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

796
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: Cool. As for the Pelicans, you know they did a

797
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: good job. Drew Holliday is a fringe all star on

798
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: an expiring deal. If you're the Bucks, you're like, oh man,

799
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: we're getting Drew Holliday. But if you're the Pelicans, you're saying,

800
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: the guy was going to be here for another season

801
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: at the most. We got three picks and two swaps

802
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: out of it. You gotta be loving it. You know,

803
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: they picked They got a pretty good return for a

804
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: guy who was going to be able to leave after

805
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: this season, who hasn't necessarily taken them to the playoffs

806
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: every single year. You know, he was brought in to

807
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: be the guy who keeps Anthony Davis around. That obviously

808
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: didn't happen. He's not going to be the guy to

809
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: keep Zion Williams in a round. So now you can

810
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: completely dip into the rebuild. You've already got ingram Ball

811
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: and Zion there. Jackson Hayes is around as well. You've

812
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: got a few more pieces that you can work with.

813
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: And I think that that's a smart move. You know,

814
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday was a well liked guy amongst the Pelicans,

815
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: but he's going to like competing for a championship as well.

816
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: I think this is good from all sides.

817
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were thinking at the very least it would

818
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: take like probably two first round picks right for Drew Holiday,

819
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: because we were saying, well, look what it took to

820
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: get Conley into Utah, it might be something similar there

821
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: in the Yeah, in the end, they get three first

822
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: round draft picks and the swaps on two other ones.

823
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: If Jannest leaves, these could be very very good picks.

824
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: I mean, if Gods does say I'm out of here.

825
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: The box aren't gonna be great.

826
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 5: I think David Griffin must have had two phones going

827
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 5: there when he was talking with John Horst and just saying, well,

828
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 5: I've got this other deal, so if you went through,

829
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to give me all these picks because

830
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: you know, unprotected. That's that's pretty bad to me, because

831
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 5: we saw what happened there. You know, that's what basically

832
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 5: the celt the Nets gave to get the Celtics peag three.

833
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: You give up those unprotected and they could all anywhere.

834
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 5: You know, you could get a couple of number one

835
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 5: picks out of it. Unlikely, but still it's possible. But

836
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 5: when you when you say unprotected and you agree to that,

837
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 5: that just shows how desperate you are to get the

838
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 5: deal done. So well done, David Griffin.

839
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Well done, David Griffin. Alright, let's keep it going here.

840
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: But before we get to the Lakers thunder trade and

841
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: the James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets rumors and all

842
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: that we got so much this could be a two

843
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: hour podcast, let's hear from our sponsors. I can't believe

844
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: that I didn't do this off the top of this show,

845
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: because We're already like forty minutes in here, but could

846
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Speaker 3: we go to the Southern lawyer for a quick set

847
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: up here for our next topic.

848
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: We got all sales a tray.

849
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a lot of them. Apologies to the

850
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: Southern lawyer. We're not going to you earlier. Let's get

851
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: into the Lakers thunder one. The Lakers worked out a

852
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: deal to acquire Dennis Shruder. As part of the trade,

853
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: LA is preparing to send the player they select with

854
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 3: the twenty eighth overall pick and Danny Green to Okay, see,

855
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: so up or down on the Lakers thunder deal task

856
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: gets started at what do you like?

857
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm thumbs up on both sides. The Lakers get who

858
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: is a guy who's going to be their third best

859
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: score in Dennis Shruder. Immediately, this team just won a championship.

860
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: But on the offensive end, it was Lebron and Anthony

861
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: Davis and then guys chipped in and Cruso and Kyle

862
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 4: Kuzma here and there, and KCP was a giant. This actually,

863
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: this deal is a great move for KCP because the

864
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: Lakers got rid of one of their wings in Danny Green.

865
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 4: But Dennis Shrud is gonna step in and be very

866
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 4: good now on the defensive end. Yeah, it's tough because

867
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: Danny Green, although he has railed on on the internet

868
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: for missing shots, there's a reason why he's won three

869
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 4: championships with three different franchises as the starting players because

870
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 4: he's really good defensively. You can count on him out there.

871
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: But I have faith in the Lakers organization being able

872
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: to find a replacement for Danny Green. Now, at this

873
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: point of his career, he was only playing twenty five

874
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: minutes a game. There are guys out there I think

875
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: that could do the job that Danny Green did at

876
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: the starting start of games, at the start of third quarters,

877
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: but he wasn't really able to close out games because

878
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: you couldn't rely on him. I think there's enough guys

879
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: that would want to play with Lebron and want to

880
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: play with Anthony Davis to close out that finishing five.

881
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 4: But it was really it was up in the air

882
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: every single game with them. It was Lebron and AD

883
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: and who the heck knows is who's going to be

884
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 4: out there. Shrewder can now play at the guard spot,

885
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: Rujion Rondo's probably gone, and now kcp's contract's going to

886
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: get bumped up. Congratulations to Clutch Sports. They're going to

887
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: make some more money there and they have to find

888
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: some more guys to sort of fill in for Danny Green.

889
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: But I think it works out for both sides because, okay,

890
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: see gets Danny Green, they're probably gonna flip him. They

891
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: also get a draft pick. I think it makes sense

892
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 4: on both sides. But the Lakers identity is defense. That's

893
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: how they got things done, that's how they won, and

894
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: Danny Green was a part of that. Although it's kind

895
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: of overlooked. He's just there. He's just doing his job.

896
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: But I think they'll find somebody to replace him. Intruder,

897
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: He's going to be solid.

898
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: One of those guys that could replace some task is

899
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: your boy Wesleys lslis could be a potential Danny Green replacement.

900
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: I wonder what this means for Rondo too, Right with

901
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: the likelihood of him moving on and maybe signing a

902
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: deal somewhere else, going to get Truder, who's been compared

903
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: to him in the past, if it is basically his

904
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: entire career, I feel like at times he's not as

905
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: great defensively as a well a young Rondo, and Rondo

906
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: that actually played defense this last year too. You got

907
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: to give him credit. There was many years where he didn't,

908
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: but he did sort of bring it on that end.

909
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: But Shruder, Yeah, I'm much a better scorer and shooter

910
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: I think than Rondo.

911
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: One year, fifteen point five.

912
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: Million dollars left on his contract too, so maybe he

913
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: eventually signs with them a new deal to stay with

914
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: the Lakers. But what do you think, Trey? You like

915
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: this move for both teams?

916
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is good and I think Task

917
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: nailed it. It's easier to replace Danny Green than it

918
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: is to replace Rondo, and it feels like Rondo's going

919
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: to be leaving, so you need somebody else to create.

920
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: We've seen it time and time again with Lebron teams.

921
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: As the season goes on, he gets a little bit

922
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: tired of having to creative every single shot for the

923
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: team and says, bring me a creator, bring me a playmaker.

924
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: One year, for some reason, that was Darren Williams with

925
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: the cast didn't work out. But I got a better

926
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: feeling about Dennis Shrewder. He had a nice season for

927
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: OKC last year. He's going to be able to get

928
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: some buckets. He's gonna be able to make some plays.

929
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: He's not as natural as a playmaker as Rondo is,

930
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: so maybe that hurts the chemistry with Anthony Davis a

931
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: little bit. But I do think that whether it's Wesley Matthews,

932
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: whether it's an increased role for KCP, maybe they figure

933
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: out the Lakers a way to bring back Avery Bradley

934
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: as well. There are replacements for Danny Green. So using

935
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: you know, a pretty sizable contract fifteen and a half million,

936
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: this is a good get to be able to bring

937
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: in Shrewder and shore up a place that can be

938
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: hard to shore up. Back up point guard, maybe he's

939
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: the starting point guard. Whatever he is, he's going to

940
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: be helping close some games, making plays, getting buckets, doing

941
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: creative things, basically on the other side, when Lebron and

942
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: ad are taking a little bit of time off. I

943
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: think this is smart. And as for the Thunder, you know,

944
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: they'll probably move Danny Green to a team where he

945
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: can help out a little bit more. It doesn't look

946
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: like he's going to be winning three straight titles this year,

947
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: but we'll see where he ends up. And they pick

948
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: up a pick for their trouble. Not bad.

949
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: What do you think Ley, Yeah, Dennis Shrewder.

950
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: They've been kind of looking for another point.

951
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: God.

952
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 5: Remember I nearly dragged Darren Collison out of retirement last year.

953
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: The like is so to get Shrewd, I think is

954
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 5: a tremendous upgrade for them. And you know, Rundo plays

955
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 5: well during the playoffs when he chooses to, but during

956
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 5: the regular season he didn't give them a whole lot

957
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: and he thinks he's gonna get more money, So I

958
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 5: think that's why he's He's probably not going to be

959
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: in the Lakers flans going into next season. And for

960
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: Shud this is a good situation for him because he

961
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 5: goes to a contender and he also, as we saw

962
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: last season, I think he's okay accepting now his role

963
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: on a team, knowing he's not going to be the

964
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 5: best or the second best, but he's gonna have plenty

965
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 5: of opportunity to go out there and score and get

966
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of play. So that's I

967
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: think a good situation for Dennis Shruder. He's a good

968
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: shooter from three point range. He sometimes gets a little

969
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: bit happy at times with his offense. He thinks he's

970
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 5: a little better than he is, but overall, he was very,

971
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 5: very good for the Thunder last year in a complimentary role,

972
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 5: and that's what I think he's going to there in

973
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: La where he's going to be like, we need you

974
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: to score, You're gonna you're gonna get your opportunities. But

975
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: obviously it's still Lebron and ads team, and if you're

976
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 5: smart and you play the right way, you're going to

977
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 5: be competing for a championship. So this is this is

978
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 5: good for him and giving up Danny Green. I think

979
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: Danny Green showed a few times in the playoffs he

980
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: looked really really old and bad. Caught up with him

981
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 5: a bit. A couple of times. He's a good veteran

982
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 5: to have in your locker room, but there are a

983
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: couple of times out there I just thought he was

984
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 5: he was pretty brutal, and he has been kind of

985
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: like that for his last couple of seasons, even in Toronto.

986
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: He was brutal at times and other times he was

987
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: really good. But he's just old now and so you

988
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: may as well move on from him. And you know,

989
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: someone like Kuzma could potentially step into his role, into

990
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: his minutes if he even stays there. To talk about

991
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 5: the Lakers maybe moving on from him, But that's the

992
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: sort of thing. If you can get a younger guy

993
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 5: who can fill in those minutes and hit those shots

994
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: and play the defense that Danny Green gave them, then

995
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: you know you're upgrading there. And to give up you know,

996
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: another draft pick, twenty eighth pick. Again, that doesn't mean

997
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: anything to the Lakers right now. So this is this

998
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 5: is good for them to get Shrewder. I think it

999
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 5: improves their roster and for the Thunder, you know, any anything,

1000
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 5: Dennis Shuder wasn't a part of you of the future.

1001
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: So Sam prest he gets another pick, and he gets

1002
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: a veteran that he could potentially package with some one

1003
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 5: of those draft picks anyway to get another younger piece

1004
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 5: there for the Thunder.

1005
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

1006
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 5: But Shred is an interesting player.

1007
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: You know, he.

1008
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: Really rehabilitated his career, absolutely did.

1009
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and playing with Chris Paul I think really really

1010
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: helped him. But now now he's in a situation again

1011
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: playing with veterans and playing with stars like Lebron and

1012
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 5: Anthony Davis, where again you're not going to be expected

1013
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 5: to be the star. You're like, you're at the Joyce

1014
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: here he should thrive in that role.

1015
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's basically Rondo, like Celtics Rondo. I mean again,

1016
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: not defensively. But you're right, I'm with you. When he's

1017
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: not asked to do too much, he's a really, really

1018
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: good player. Yeah, we've seen when he was asked to

1019
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: do too much with the Hawks, especially, it's too much.

1020
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: He's not good. He's just not that good.

1021
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: But he's not He's not your number one, by any

1022
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 5: number three. He's perfect for.

1023
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Agree, I'll be see. I'll be interesting

1024
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: if he still continues to come off the bench, because

1025
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: he obviously was in the running for the six Man

1026
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: of the Year award ended a lot of games, so

1027
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: maybe it doesn't matter to him. But they have options.

1028
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: I'm with you, guys. That sounds like everybody's thumbs up

1029
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: overall on this one. Somewhat of a minor deal, but

1030
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: suter good player that the Lakers bring in here, and

1031
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with KCP. Which have a deal

1032
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: he gets and who are the other wings they get?

1033
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: Do they move Kuzma and then the thunder You guys

1034
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: talked about whether or not they move on from Danny Green.

1035
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the juicy one here. According

1036
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: to Wosh, James Harden has rejected a two year, one

1037
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: hundred and three million dollar extension offer from the Rockets.

1038
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: He's made it clear to ownership that he's focused on

1039
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: a trade to the Brooklyn Nets. Harden would have become

1040
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: the NBA's first player to earn more than fifty million

1041
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: dollars in a single season with the deal. He still

1042
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: has three years and one hundred and thirty three million

1043
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: dollars remaining on his current contract, so he's fine, He's

1044
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: going to be okay. But these rumors, these reports that

1045
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: he wants to get to Brooklyn and make the super

1046
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: team there up or down on a potential Harden Durant

1047
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: Kyrie Brooklyn Nets team, and we can get into what

1048
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: that would cost. I know, Zach Lowe had a good

1049
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: little breakdown. I'll throw it out right now, Lye. It

1050
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: would take something like Carris Lavert, Jared Allen, Spencer, Dinwittie,

1051
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: some small filler contracts, probably the number nineteen pick in

1052
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: Wednesday's draft, and then future picks twenty twenty two to

1053
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: twenty four. Probably no protection on those pick swaps in

1054
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: the other years. You know, a lot. But are you

1055
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: up or down on a hard and keaty Kyrie team.

1056
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: If that's what it took, Big up, big ups, Let's

1057
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: make this one happen. Because clearly, by James Harden rejecting

1058
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: that contract and another move that the Rockets made overnight,

1059
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: he's focused to me now team teams to be that

1060
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: he wants to be competing for a championship. And that's

1061
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 5: not going to happen in Houston. If he goes to Brooklyn,

1062
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 5: and again, it's gonna they're gonna have to gut a

1063
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 5: lot of their depth. But that's fine because you've got

1064
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, Kyrie irving, you're closer to winning a championship.

1065
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 5: And he would also, I believe understand that he would

1066
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: have to accept a lesser role on that team. I

1067
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 5: don't think he goes gets traded that team and expects

1068
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: them still to be putting up thirty plus a game

1069
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 5: and having the ball in his hands the whole time.

1070
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: He may him play off the ball a lot.

1071
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: To start, You're going to see James Horriden maybe coming

1072
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: off the bench. Listen, listen, I know I know no one,

1073
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: I know no ever.

1074
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: I would laugh at that but I actually think that

1075
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: would still be a great situation for.

1076
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't I don't former a six man of the

1077
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: Air exactly.

1078
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 5: I still don't understand why p look at coming off

1079
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 5: the bench as such a emotion or a negative thing

1080
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 5: if you're playing the same minutes, getting the same shots,

1081
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: and finishing games. Finishing games is when it counts. Anyway,

1082
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 5: that's an argument for a different day.

1083
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: And Hidden's not coming off the bench.

1084
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: I know he's not. I know he's not coming off

1085
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: the bench. But again, if that situation is there for

1086
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 5: James Harden, you have to go and you have to

1087
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: try to make that happen, because again you're going to

1088
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 5: a team where you've got superstars around you. He's played

1089
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 5: with one of them. We know that didn't always carry

1090
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: too much weight playing there with Russell Westbrook, but going

1091
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 5: to play with Kevin around again and Kyrie Irving, I mean,

1092
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 5: that's just you're basically as good as anyone else almost

1093
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 5: in the Eastern Conference on talent alone, right there. So

1094
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: if James Harden is prepared to accept that, Okay, I'm

1095
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 5: going to a team where we're probably only going to average,

1096
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 5: you know, maybe twenty twenty five a game, still on

1097
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: that team, then he's going to accept and that that

1098
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 5: should be good for Brooklyn. You know, another guy who

1099
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 5: can score, another guy who can shoot, another guy who

1100
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: can end games. I mean, that's what the nets one.

1101
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 5: So I hope this happens. This would be incredible for

1102
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 5: the league if we have had that super team together there,

1103
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: and then if Westbrook gets traded to the next that

1104
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 5: would be even better if we saw if we saw that,

1105
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 5: So I think it is gonna happen. I think it's

1106
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 5: just amount of time because we've heard conflicting reports. Just

1107
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 5: last week it was James Harden said he's committed to

1108
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 5: the Rockets.

1109
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: We know that, Yeah, lucked in. We know that probably

1110
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: wasn't accurate, And according to Brian Windhors, Westbrook's trade requests

1111
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: may have been in response to knowing that Harden was

1112
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: going to try and make a move to Brooklyn. So

1113
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: he finds out about that and then west was like,

1114
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: well I want it here.

1115
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: It makes sense.

1116
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: It makes sense, like there's no point in them staying

1117
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 5: in Houston. They're not gonna win, So if they can

1118
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 5: go to another team where potentially they can compete, then great,

1119
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: But that options certainly dry up you think for Russell

1120
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 5: Westbrook right now to go to a contending team anyway,

1121
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 5: But anyway, James Harden to the Nets in for it.

1122
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 5: I think it happens, and I hope it happens, And.

1123
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: You would trade all of what Zach Low was doing, Yeah,

1124
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean I would.

1125
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: I would like to keep Jared Allen because I think

1126
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 5: you need a big guy there. But obviously Dinwiddy, Karris Laver,

1127
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 5: who else they got there? I'm not even sure who.

1128
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: Was well, Torrian Prince could be on the mix.

1129
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, those guys. You get rid of all those guys

1130
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 5: just to get James Todd why not?

1131
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: Why not?

1132
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: I mean, but guess what we've talked about all the time.

1133
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 5: If you get the talent, if you can acquire the talent,

1134
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: you do whatever you can with all those peripher replays.

1135
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 5: And if you're the Rockets, I think Dinwoody's a good

1136
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 5: player to have, and I think Karislovitz a good player

1137
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 5: to have. You're getting a draft pick again from the

1138
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 5: Portland Trailblazers here, so I think that's for Houston, like

1139
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 5: we might as well stop rebuilding and with some good

1140
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 5: young players who can keep his competitive.

1141
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So Trey will go to you next. What

1142
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: do you think do you think it could work with

1143
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 3: three obviously ball dominant guys. Hey, I've heard there's only

1144
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: one ball to go around. I don't know if you've

1145
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: heard that with all these scores. And then also I'll

1146
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: ask you what you would think of whether or not

1147
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: the Rockets could do better than potential nets package of

1148
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: all these guys that I mentioned.

1149
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: Well, all I know is that if James Harden teams

1150
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: up with Kyrie Irving, there's no way I'm going to

1151
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: be able to stop loving either of those guys. Like

1152
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm out on Harden at the end

1153
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: of every playoffs, and then when it comes back to

1154
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: the next regular season, I'm like, let's go, buddy, this

1155
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: is the year. Now you're putting in next to crazy Kyrie.

1156
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: I love it, bro Kevin Duranton themes. I also love

1157
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: that it could be a disaster. And you know people

1158
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 2: are talking about Harden's gonna have to move off the ball.

1159
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't really think so. Like you can run a

1160
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: pick and roll with Kyrie and Kadi or KD and Harden,

1161
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: or Harden and Kyrie, and it doesn't matter who's standing

1162
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: on the other side, James Harden could stand thirty five

1163
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: feet away, you still have to guard him out there.

1164
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: You know he's and there's still gonna be other action

1165
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: happening on the other side. You know, I said the

1166
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Bucks are the favorites right now. If the Nets are

1167
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: able to make this trade, I think they instantly have

1168
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: become the favorites. And I think, yeah, there will be

1169
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: some growing pains and it'll be tough to figure out

1170
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: how to share the ball. But I also think that

1171
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: these guys all do have pre existing relationships, whether it

1172
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: be from the Thunder in the past or Team USA,

1173
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: a place where super teams are built. You know, I

1174
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: just think that they will figure it out. Let's not

1175
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: discount the fact that DeAndre Jordan also played on some

1176
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: of those Team USA teams with Harden, Kyrie and Kevin

1177
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Durant in the past, So I assume he would be

1178
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 2: the guy that they want in there as their center,

1179
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: which means Jared Allen. We all love him. He's just

1180
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: like Bogdan Bogdanovic. Everybody on the internet loves him, but

1181
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: for some reason coaches don't as much. But I think

1182
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: it'll be fine. I think they would be an incredible team,

1183
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, the Rockets could definitely do better. There are

1184
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: talks that they could perhaps lower Ben Simmons from the

1185
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six ers. He seems to be the best

1186
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: player who's on the board for the Rockets, and I

1187
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: would much rather have them, rather have him and less

1188
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 2: picks than all this stuff that the Nets could offer,

1189
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: because you see the tweets coming out saying, oh, the

1190
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: Nets can offer everything out there, but really what they're

1191
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: offering is the nineteenth pick, a bunch of guys who

1192
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: are drafted in the twenties out a bunch of opportunities

1193
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: to draft in the twenties. That's not a lot for

1194
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: a guy who's finishing top three in MVP ballots every

1195
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: single year. But once Darryl Morey was gone, once Mike

1196
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: D'Antoni was gone, they brought in first timers and it

1197
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: felt like an end of an era. It feels like

1198
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: an end of an era even more so right now.

1199
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: That stuff for the Rockets.

1200
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had some related deals with these teams tasks.

1201
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: You know, the Rockets trading Sir Robert Covington to the

1202
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: Blazers for Trevor Ariza and then picks a twenty twenty

1203
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: first round pick, sixteenth overall, and then a twenty twenty

1204
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: one first round pick, and then the Nets traded Jean

1205
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: and Moosa to the Pistons for Bruce Brown, And maybe

1206
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: there was something else include there, but it's a minor,

1207
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: minor deal. So third round pick, yeah, second round pick,

1208
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: thank you. So there's other moves being made with these

1209
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 3: two teams. But the initial question was that trade package

1210
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: that the Nets could possibly throw at the Rockets. And

1211
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: whether you think a hardened Katie Kyrie Nets team is

1212
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: a championship contender automatically.

1213
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 4: Hoby Baby, I want to find out. I think yeah,

1214
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 4: on paper, one hundred percent, I think they are a

1215
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: championship contender. I think they would like DeAndre Jordan as

1216
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: their center because he wouldn't request a shot, and they

1217
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 4: would probably have another guy, a fifth guy, just to

1218
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: be a shooter on the other side of the Florida

1219
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 4: hang out. But I want, I just wonder because these guys, yeah,

1220
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: there's only one ball. You're totally right about that skis

1221
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: and they always wanted in their hands, all three of them.

1222
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 4: I think it is different than Golden State, where it

1223
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: was Clay kd and Steph Steph was able to work

1224
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: off the ball a little bit more than Kyrie is

1225
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 4: Claydon never touched the ball unless he was shooting it.

1226
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: So it's it's different. The whole offense for James Harden

1227
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: revolves around him. Same how the same for Kyrie and

1228
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 4: KD as well. So it is It's something where I

1229
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 4: looked up just the number of shots, pure number of

1230
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: shots in games, and I wondered if these guys were

1231
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: going to get enough of the shots. So you have

1232
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 4: teams shoot like ninety times a game, so there's enough, right,

1233
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, other guys are gonna have to shoot

1234
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: a little bit twenty twenty five for each guy, and

1235
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: then you know the other guys get one or two

1236
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: shots per game. DeAndre Jordan you'll get a dunk. But

1237
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 4: I just I just this stuff being a centerpiece of

1238
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 4: the offense. I just wonder, like if they are going

1239
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 4: to get into a flow, if they're going to feel good.

1240
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure they've got great relationships with each other. I'm

1241
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: sure the USA Basketball Championship situation has worked out for them.

1242
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: Playing with USA Ball. I should say, it just got

1243
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 4: me a little bit flummoxed. This whole thing about you know,

1244
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: Kyrie's got to initiate, Harden has to initiate, and of

1245
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 4: course they've got the talent to make it work. But

1246
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 4: I just wonder being the guy with the ball in

1247
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: their hands every single time, Well, they feel good not

1248
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 4: having it in their hands. So I would love to

1249
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 4: see it work. I would love for them to trade

1250
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 4: every single draft pick that they have, like they did

1251
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 4: when they tried to make KG and Paul Pierce work there.

1252
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: I think it should be a requisite, a requirement for

1253
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Nets franchise. Every decade, you got to trade

1254
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 4: away every single one of your picks and every pick swap.

1255
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 4: It's a fun experiment to watch happened. But James Harden

1256
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 4: at this point of his career, in his thirties, here,

1257
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 4: he'd want to be a guy who'd just be a

1258
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 4: part of a team. When you watch him in the playoffs,

1259
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: he is that kind of guy, right because he is

1260
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 4: willing to pass. I say, he's the centerpiece of an offense,

1261
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 4: but he is willing to be doubled and make other

1262
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 4: guys make it happen. But there's three guys now, is

1263
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: Katie is Kyrie is my guy that I'm most concerned

1264
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: with is Kyrie gonna love it? I wonder, I wonder

1265
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 4: if he's going to love hard and initiating or somebody

1266
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: else initiating. But it's gonna happen now with Robert Covington

1267
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: being dealt from Houston to Portland, which is a great

1268
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: get for Raphael Stone in the Rockets front office to

1269
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 4: get two first round picks and a decent one coming

1270
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 4: up here in a couple of days. In the teens.

1271
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 4: They got to rebuild it covered, as we said, because

1272
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 4: Darryl Mory left it pretty bare, so they they gotta

1273
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 4: get some picks in there. That's a great get, two

1274
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 4: first round picks for Robert Comington, and I'm excited to

1275
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: see him in Portland. This is fascinating stuff. I really

1276
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: hope to see Harden get traded for the whole team

1277
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: to Brooklyn, because otherwise, where is there a fit. I

1278
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: know there's the little bit of the Ben Simmons rumors

1279
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: out there, but doesn't seem like there's a lot of

1280
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 4: smoke there.

1281
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: That's the weird thing with Harden is any potential fit

1282
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: seems super weird because you're used to Harden having the

1283
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: ball for twenty seconds out of twenty four. So yeah,

1284
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: I put him on Philadelphia or like, that doesn't make sense.

1285
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: Put him on Milwaukee, that doesn't make sense. Anywhere you

1286
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: put James Harden, it's gonna look different. Who's going to

1287
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: be the best player on the nets if this goes down?

1288
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: I mean dark if he comes back healthy, yeah, exactly.

1289
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: Durant was, but he hasn't played for a year and

1290
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 2: a half coming off of major injury. Kyrie Irving left

1291
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: Lebron James to have his own team. Now he's likely

1292
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: the third guy, and James Harden's gonna have to play

1293
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: with two high usage players. He's been playing with high

1294
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: usage players for the entirety of his career. I think

1295
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: that that's a little bit slept on. You know, Chris

1296
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Paul was high usage, Russell Westbrook was high usage. I

1297
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: think Harden is used to that, but he's still always

1298
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: the most high usage. So yeah, I mean, we'll see

1299
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: how it goes down. It would be very weird for

1300
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: James Harden to come in and instantly start running the team,

1301
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: considering two years ago. This is a team built around

1302
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: DiAngelo Russell, who was all about culture, and now they're

1303
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: just bringing in stars. That's what it's all about you know,

1304
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: teams will talk to you about culture all day, but

1305
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: when it comes to getting stars, that's what really matters.

1306
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: I think it's also could be pretty ironic if Harden

1307
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: does end up there, that we have Steve Nash and

1308
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: then Mike D'Antoni, who's an assistant, you know, in control

1309
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 3: here of the nets of course, known for the beautiful

1310
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: basketball right the seven seconds or less. That thing's just

1311
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: hanging around, moving everywhere, and not that it couldn't with

1312
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: these guys because they're so talented, but they are ISO

1313
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: heavy guys. I mean, they're just like and it's good,

1314
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: like it's a good shot because they're that damn good,

1315
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: all three of them. Of you know, maybe a pick

1316
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: and roll, but even just let them cook and they're

1317
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: gonna get a good look and in some cases pretty

1318
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: high efficiency for especially like a Duranton and hardened all

1319
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: things considered, and even Kyrie. So it would just be amazing,

1320
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: Like I almost want Steve Nash to be like, screwing,

1321
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play with these guys. I'll just rack up

1322
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: twenty assists per game just by handing it to them,

1323
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: though they would need some defense.

1324
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: That was the be the one thing.

1325
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 5: That we would tell that they gotta they probably gonna

1326
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 5: score one hundred and fifty again.

1327
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: I would just fill in the like fill in the

1328
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: you know, DeAndre Jordan's there, but you're gonna need another big.

1329
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: You're gonna need some wings. Like, just get guys to

1330
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: play defense. That's it, because scoring will not be an

1331
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: issue with those three guys on your roster, and you

1332
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: can go get those. But yeah, we'll see. I hope

1333
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: this happens too. I also you said it you slipped

1334
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: in the early. If Harden goes to the Nets, we

1335
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: gotta have Westbrook on the Knicks, because the Knicks championship

1336
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: for the upcoming season would be just beating the Nets

1337
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: in one game where Westbrook like somehow outduels the three

1338
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: other guys and they win by two. They hit a

1339
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: buzzer beater and it's like, hey, the Dick fans, oh yeah,

1340
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: that's the championship for us.

1341
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 5: And that'd be probably the seventh game of the meetings.

1342
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 5: I haven't with from Winds block four points and he

1343
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 5: talks trash the entire time, right exactly.

1344
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 4: They can make it a Christmas Day game. They love

1345
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 4: doing that at Christmas Day.

1346
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: Nets Knicks. Yeah.

1347
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, the Nets Warriors would be pretty damn

1348
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: awesome too. If we had all of these guys back

1349
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 3: and playing and then basically sort of three on three,

1350
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: if you want to call it that, that'd be pretty

1351
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: cool too. We'll see. Let's hear from you guys with

1352
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: all these by the way, let us know on Twitter

1353
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: at No Dunksinc. And I'm sure the stream team has

1354
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: been chiming. Are they still talking? Dork in the stream

1355
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: team they've moved on. Oh okay, good, they've moved on.

1356
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: Apparently Brook Lopez opted out of his deal.

1357
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: Okay, oh cool.

1358
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 5: Hey that was expected though, I believe.

1359
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's get to our next little piece

1360
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: of news here. We're moving on from the trades. Unless

1361
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: there's something happening right now, like Brook Lopez or an

1362
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: actual trade, you guys can jump in, you know, stop

1363
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: the presses if.

1364
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: They're I think that guy meant Robin Lopez.

1365
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Robin is ut.

1366
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah he did yesterday. For sure. We don't need to

1367
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: get bogged down in the brooks.

1368
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: No, let's move We'll see what Happenso tweeted a tentative

1369
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: NBA schedule on Sunday that includes an All Star break

1370
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: with no All Star Game and playoff dates that bring

1371
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: them extremely close to the start of the delayed at

1372
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty Summer Olympics in Tokyo. We're showing it to everyone,

1373
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: to all our stream teamers right now. December twenty second

1374
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: open and you got the All Star break again minus

1375
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: the All Star Game March fifth to the tenth. May sixteenth,

1376
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: the regular season would end from the seventeenth to the

1377
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: twenty first. We'd have a play in tournament for the

1378
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: seven to ten seeds and we can discuss that in

1379
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: further detail. May twenty second, first round in the playoffs,

1380
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: and then the finals going from the eighth of July

1381
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: to the twenty second. So task again, this is a

1382
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: Wolsh reporting this. It's probably legit up or down on

1383
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: this accelerated tentative. Still NBA schedule.

1384
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 4: I love it. The NBA schedule has gone from eight

1385
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 4: months now to seven months because they're cutting down ten

1386
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: games here, but they've worked in some a little bit

1387
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: of time, a little bit of wiggle room just in

1388
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 4: case there are contractions of COVID nineteen, because there will be,

1389
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: and there's an All Star Game, which isn't an All

1390
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 4: Star game. It's an All Star break without a game,

1391
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: just in case people can track COVID nineteen because they will,

1392
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: so they're going to have to work in some games

1393
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 4: because games will get canceled and the season has been shortened. Guys,

1394
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: we're getting seventy two games. I think that's what this

1395
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 4: whole tweet all comes down to. It should just say

1396
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: seventy two games. Thumbs up. Everybody a little bit happier

1397
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 4: because we don't have to watch eighty two games, which

1398
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 4: is it's just kind of drags it out. Unfortunately for

1399
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: the NBA it goes into July. I think they would

1400
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 4: like to shore it up before the summer kicks off

1401
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 4: in July, but that's just the way things have worked out,

1402
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: and for them to be able to pull this all

1403
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: together this quickly, you know, we will obviously have to

1404
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: see how everything goes with the virus, guys flying, obviously

1405
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 4: having their home team host games. It's going to be

1406
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 4: very different than the bubble. That's a gift. But the

1407
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 4: way that just procedurally, all the logistics that this is

1408
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 4: working out so far, it's shocking and there's going to

1409
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 4: be some problems, I'm sure down down the line just

1410
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 4: because this is this is flying in here, It's coming

1411
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 4: in real quick. But I'm very happy to see that

1412
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 4: it is happening because everybody's making money. That's what the

1413
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 4: December twenty second start date is all about, and so

1414
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 4: the NBA has got to be happy about that.

1415
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 3: Details on the league's coronavirus protocols and the testing for

1416
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: the season, they're still being finalized. That's a huge like

1417
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: we got to figure that out for everyone's safety, for sure.

1418
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: But Trey, what do you think of the schedule and

1419
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: this idea of the play in tournament extending it? We're

1420
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: adding to it, right, So we don't know official details

1421
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 3: because we don't know if there's like you got to

1422
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: be a certain number of games back to force it

1423
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 3: and all that. But in theory, the number seven and

1424
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: the number eight seeds would need to win just once

1425
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: within this little playin tournament to get in the playoffs,

1426
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: while the number nine in the number ten seeds need

1427
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: to win twice to move up into the field. So, yeah,

1428
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: what do you think about this entire tweet here of

1429
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: course from Bosh and then that in particular.

1430
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: I love smashing everything together, I'll tell you that much.

1431
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: Because we got the news on Sunday right that it

1432
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 2: was gonna be trade season opens on Monday, and then

1433
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: we have basically a one week off season where everything

1434
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: is happening. That's exciting, and that's what it's gonna feel

1435
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: like once the season comes around. Sarah Spence at the

1436
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: AJC reported that Travis Schlank says that the break in

1437
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: the middle of the schedule is just there to make

1438
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: up games that need to be made up if they're

1439
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: postponed for COVID reasons, which certainly makes sense. I mean,

1440
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: the All Star break with no All Star Game definitely

1441
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: feels weird, but you can see why they would do it.

1442
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: As for the seven through ten play in tournament, I

1443
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: don't like the idea of it. I don't like that

1444
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: two thirds of the teams in the league and be

1445
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: able to say we made the playoffs makes it a

1446
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: little bit less special. But when it comes around time

1447
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: for play in tournament and it's seven versus ten and

1448
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: it's one win and you're in, I'm gonna love it.

1449
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be super fun to watch. And of course

1450
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: we're getting back to sort of the normal schedule. This

1451
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: season's going to be ending a month after when it

1452
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: would usually end. But that puts you kind of on

1453
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: track to be able to have a standard twenty one

1454
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: to twenty two season, which I think is of what

1455
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: everybody is going for here. Yeah, it's getting jammed in together,

1456
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be fun.

1457
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: You know.

1458
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna feel like NonStop and I love it. I'm excited.

1459
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm excited to have basketball back. And it's gonna be

1460
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: super weird when you know teams are playing so often

1461
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: and they seem to be playing in the same place

1462
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: all the time, but with all this local talk being done,

1463
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, like the Raptors might want to be playing

1464
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: in Buffalo so they can play the Knicks and the

1465
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: Nets and the Sixers just because they're all close. It's

1466
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: gonna feel weird when teams are in a bit more

1467
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: of a baseball mode. But it's gonna be fun. It's

1468
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: gonna be exciting. And that play in tournament, as much

1469
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: as I hate it in the offseason, when it's happening,

1470
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: it's awesome.

1471
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 3: Right, right, You get those games that will win and

1472
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 3: you're in that's sort of exciting, you know, for the

1473
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 3: for the one particular game.

1474
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: You're right.

1475
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 3: Also, I'm just I'm just refusing to count teams that

1476
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 3: are the ninth or tenth seeds as making the playoffs

1477
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: unless they make their way into the playoffs. I'm just like,

1478
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm just not gonna count it. But it'd be really

1479
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 3: weird if like the Mavericks, let's say, at a number

1480
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 3: seven seed or like ten games up, twelve teams up

1481
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 3: on teams behind them in the nighth and tenth and

1482
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: yet they still got to play in this thing. And

1483
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: that's why I'm waiting to see if there is like

1484
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 3: some sort of like cut off like we saw in

1485
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: the Bubble, where you had to be a certain number back,

1486
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: because that seems really weird to me. But maybe they

1487
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: don't care. They're like, well, okay, you're ten twelve games up,

1488
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: then that means you're better. Just go win a game

1489
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 3: and you're in. But I don't know what you think

1490
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: Ley about the playing tournament going seven to ten.

1491
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 5: I like it. I think it was successful down there

1492
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 5: in the bubble, and I think the NBA has been

1493
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 5: sort of leaning towards trying something like this. The first

1494
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 5: time they do it, it works, so they're going to

1495
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 5: try to expand it, and maybe this doesn't work maybe

1496
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 5: this is too many teams, but we won't know until

1497
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: we find out, and I think it's fine. I just

1498
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 5: think it's fine to get out there and have a

1499
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 5: few more teams, because again, what I believe they're trying

1500
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 5: to encourage is teams that just feel a little bit

1501
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 5: close to the playoffs, even if they're not, that they

1502
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 5: will keep competing and it's a way to reduce some

1503
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 5: of the tanking. I think that's what it's all about.

1504
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: Give your fans that hope that, hey, we.

1505
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: Just keep interest in the team from the exactly.

1506
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 5: You might be twelve games back, but you can still

1507
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 5: make the playoffs. And then if you only have to

1508
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 5: beat this other team, let's say it's only once, then

1509
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 5: you're in the playoffs. And that's what I think they're

1510
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 5: trying to do, is just trying to encourage a little

1511
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 5: bit more hope for those teams, because if you look

1512
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: at the Blazers, you know, the fact that they made

1513
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 5: the playoffs was pretty shocking in the end. You know,

1514
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 5: they went down there, they're a long way out and

1515
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 5: they had to beat the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies were the

1516
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 5: favorite to make it, and they didn't do it. Now,

1517
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 5: injuries came into play, of course, but that's just the

1518
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 5: way it gave the Blazers a chance. And then the

1519
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 5: Blazers were one of the funnest teams to watch down

1520
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 5: there in the bubble.

1521
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 3: Even though they lost.

1522
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 5: Four straight in the end to the Lakers, they certainly

1523
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 5: earned their way into the playoffs.

1524
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: I think.

1525
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 5: So that's what the NBA is aiming for, and I

1526
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 5: think it's great, but I also just think we are

1527
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 5: living in an alternate reality sometimes. In terms of coronavirus.

1528
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 5: It was one hundred and eighty thousand new cases the

1529
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 5: last couple of days, and again there's so much instability

1530
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 5: with the current government that I don't think that's going

1531
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 5: to be getting better anytime soon. I think between now

1532
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 5: and January twenty, coronavirus is just going to continue to

1533
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 5: get out of hand. So it seems certain to me

1534
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 5: that we are going to lose some games, and.

1535
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: We could lose the whole season with it.

1536
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 5: There is a potential that we will go into a

1537
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 5: lockdown at some point as well, I think once the

1538
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 5: Biden administration comes in. So so there's that that we're

1539
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 5: dealing with, but that almost seems like that's just a

1540
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 5: different universe sometimes when we talk about the NBA is

1541
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 5: coming back in Wow, it's twenty. It's just over a

1542
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 5: month away till the season starts, which is, ah, it's crazy, man.

1543
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna get the schedule soon. We're gonna playing on

1544
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 3: Christmas in theory soon, right, I mean, I don't know.

1545
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: It'll probably be a week or two that they're gonna

1546
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 3: measure trying to figure it all.

1547
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 5: Out, and we don't even know where the REP is

1548
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 5: before the REP is going to play.

1549
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're flying by the seat of our pants here.

1550
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: But this is again the tenetive schedule that we're working with,

1551
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 3: and there's some workaround dates in there, like you guys said,

1552
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 3: in case games are missed or lost or whatever, it'll

1553
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 3: be another wild season and we're going to be heading

1554
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 3: right back right into it again here on No Dunks

1555
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: where we'll be doing the daily podcast. But I guess

1556
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: after the draft here, after free agency, we should take

1557
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 3: a week or two off, like, actually stop podcasting Selby.

1558
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 5: That's when the hot and trade's gonna happen, and that's

1559
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 5: when there'll be all the stuff going on.

1560
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure. Well, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. We

1561
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: all need a break, and let's take a break right now.

1562
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: We still got a little bit more to discuss here

1563
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: in the updown Report. I'm gonna set you up with

1564
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,520
Speaker 3: one here, Lee. You think Gwen Stefani has ever played DraftKings,

1565
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 3: no doubt?

1566
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 5: No ah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah good one, very good.

1567
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: Well, as Gwen Stefani said, let me blow your mind.

1568
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers seven and three, Tom Brady twenty three

1569
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. He still got it.

1570
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's okay, right, that's right.

1571
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: TB twelve forever right lely.

1572
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 5: TB twelve, Yeah, that's a that's a Matt's thing, wasn't

1573
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 5: I used to say that? TB twelve?

1574
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 3: Sure he started that started that, all right? Some fun

1575
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 3: things to end with here. The Thunder they got new

1576
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 3: city addition uniforms. They've been released. Let's take a look

1577
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: for all the stream teamers.

1578
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: There they are.

1579
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 3: According to Joe Musato, this is the first Thunder Jersey

1580
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: to only say Oklahoma, there's a back there. Little SGA's

1581
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 3: got all of the letters. Looks cool And I mean,

1582
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, I hope I'm not taking anyone's responses.

1583
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: It feels like so nascary to me, so nasty. Sorry, right,

1584
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. So, Trey, are you up or down on

1585
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 3: these city edition jerseys from okac well skeets.

1586
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm more of an f one guy, but yeah,

1587
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: I imagine that these NASCAR themed uniforms will appeal to

1588
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: the fan base in Oklahoma City. I don't know why.

1589
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: I just assume there are a lot of NASCAR fans there.

1590
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 2: It is a weird little bit of a trend that

1591
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 2: we got going on here with these new additions that

1592
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: just say the state. Right, the Blazers had just Oregon.

1593
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: This is weirder to me because the team's name is

1594
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: just one word longer throw those four city letters on

1595
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: there and call it today. But I don't know. To me,

1596
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: the thunder have yet to have a great jersey in

1597
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: their franchise history, and this is not helping the case.

1598
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: It is weird.

1599
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 3: You're right because these are called the city edition uniforms

1600
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 3: and they don't have the city on them, which makes

1601
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: it even more perplexing at just the state there. Okay, Tas,

1602
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: what do you think of these? Your thumbs upper thumbs

1603
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: down on the NASCAR vibe Gotta.

1604
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 4: Go thumbs down, and I don't like the layout when

1605
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 4: they take a photo with the shorts sort of off

1606
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 4: to the side of the tank top. I mean, it

1607
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 4: doesn't make it look better. It makes it look like

1608
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 4: it's not a set. You know, it doesn't go together.

1609
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 4: And maybe that's just the design of the jersey, because

1610
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 4: it definitely looks like you could pick it up at

1611
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 4: a Love's travel stop. Like it looks like it's sold

1612
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: in the store. It definitely does Nascar vibes definitely will

1613
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 4: be sold a little bit, but just not digging it.

1614
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 4: Just yeah, they don't seem basketballie.

1615
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think lately?

1616
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're fine. You know, they're fine.

1617
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: I suppose they had a little bar there and okay,

1618
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 3: see most of them, that's for sure.

1619
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 5: I mean, as always you need to just see them

1620
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 5: out on the court with the court design. Maybe there's

1621
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 5: something they're connected. I don't know, but I don't mind them.

1622
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 5: I don't hate them. I think there's been worse ones

1623
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: out there. Yeah, you know, if they're just fine, they're

1624
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 5: just fine.

1625
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 4: Just fine our city jersey. So they'll only be around

1626
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 4: a year most.

1627
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 3: Likely, probably get them while you can. All right, we

1628
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: end with this. It's become no secret that the Australian

1629
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 3: man of mystery hottest name going into the twenty twenty

1630
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: NBA Draft on Wednesday, So we wanted to roll Lee's

1631
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: scouting report to get everyone familiar, all the teams out

1632
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: there with their picks, with his strengths and his weaknesses.

1633
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: Let's roll the tape.

1634
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: Lee Ellis is a forty four year old shooting guard

1635
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: from Australia by way of Atlanta, by way of Toronto,

1636
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: by way of London. He's a knockdown three point shooter

1637
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: and a plus athlete, but as the oldest draft prospect

1638
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: in history, there are questions about how he will fare

1639
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: after nearly three decades away from organized basketball. Let's take

1640
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: a look at what Lee does best. When you're talking

1641
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: about Lee Ellis, you're talking about shooting. He might be

1642
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: the best shooter in the draft. Able to catch fire

1643
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: from outside, punish smaller defenders with his mid range game,

1644
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: and knock down the occasional lefty jumper. Ellis is absolutely

1645
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 2: money from the free throw line, where he projects the

1646
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: shoot in the high eighties, low nineties. At the next level,

1647
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: He's gotten effective pump fink and a constantly improving handle.

1648
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: This guy puts in the work constantly, like all of

1649
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: the time. He's a ball mover who should fit into

1650
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: any system. He's come up clutch numerous times, knocking off

1651
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: superior competition across the country. Confidence Baby COMESI.

1652
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 4: Release all.

1653
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: If he won the twenty nineteen T Mobile Metro Media

1654
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: Jam Championship with a buzzer beating jumper, and then he

1655
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: was named MVP.

1656
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 3: If you had to pick an mgpkey, so the first

1657
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 3: person I thought it was Leollis.

1658
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: Defensively, while undersized as an NBA two, Ellis has incredibly

1659
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: quick hands. He disrupts dribblers on the ball and picks

1660
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,440
Speaker 2: up more than his fair share of steals and deflections.

1661
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: He has tremendous core strength from years of bar three practice,

1662
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 2: which coupled with his quick hands, suggests Ellis could guard

1663
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: both backcourt positions. Watch here as he uses his size

1664
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: and quickness to swallow up his opponent before using his

1665
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: length to challenge the shot at the rim. Pretty cool,

1666
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: Pretty weird. Ellis is obsessive about his body and what

1667
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: he puts into it. A student of the game, Ellis

1668
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: is a maniac in the gym and has already shown

1669
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: a propensity for the NBA diet. What's your go to

1670
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: meat on a pizza?

1671
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 5: Then I would have probably chicken if I was to

1672
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 5: have a mate.

1673
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 2: Second, now, let's talk about where Lee struggles. Despite his

1674
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: creativity and horse, Ellis has trouble converting inside and has

1675
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: been known to blow wide open layups. Sometimes he makes

1676
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: things too fancy. Sometimes he's not even close. He's Ray

1677
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: Allen from three, but he's Tony Allen at the rim,

1678
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 2: and yes, he's forty four years old. While strong and

1679
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: generally well conditioned, Ellis has shown stamina problems during high

1680
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: pressure situations in the past. So what's the verdict. Well,

1681
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: it's tough to evaluate a prospect with no high level

1682
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: experience who would instantly be the league's oldest player. But

1683
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 2: after a spectacular interview with the Trailblazers, Ellis is being

1684
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: talked about as a potential first round pick. Scouts and

1685
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 2: executives see Clay Thompson in JJ Berea's body with George

1686
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: Miken's head. While a risky pick in the lottery, Lee

1687
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: Ellis is a very solid bet to be the steel

1688
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty NBA draft.

1689
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 3: So unbelievable there, Trey Kirby with little help from JD

1690
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 3: of doing the scouting report. Of course we did this

1691
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: without telling Lee. We shared this on our social media

1692
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: channels the other day.

1693
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: Up or down?

1694
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 3: The question is on Lee's draft stock. I think it's

1695
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 3: interesting in the video tray you talk about the Blazers

1696
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 3: they had the sixteenth pick, obviously now moved to the

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: Rockets and the Covington deal. So I wonder with that

1698
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 3: Reguld possibly going on in Houston, Harden could be gone.

1699
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 3: You know, Westbrook wants out coming to start. I wonder

1700
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: if they're looking at a very old, forty four year

1701
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: old Lee Ellis to rebuild around along with SGA. We've

1702
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 3: seen how Lee works with other Canadians. I think that

1703
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 3: that's good. That's a good sign. But of course, what

1704
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 3: am I talking about now, I'm mixing up my Thunder team.

1705
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: I'm a Rockets team. Anyway, I'm thumbs up on Lee's

1706
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: draft stock. That was a perfect video. And you know

1707
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: you are a great three point shooter, but you struggle inside.

1708
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that would will always allow you a lane.

1709
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: If I'm playing in defensively.

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 5: Everybody's got their strength and weaknesses there there, you know,

1711
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 5: But that was just great work Tray, really funny stuff,

1712
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 5: and like yesterday, I can't remember when I first saw it,

1713
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 5: but I just sort of saw on Twitter all of

1714
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 5: a sudden, I had all these mentions and what the

1715
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 5: hell is this?

1716
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 3: And this The best part of this video is that

1717
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: we got Maddio in a group chat with us. He wrote,

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 3: great drafted, and he said people forgot I was a problem.

1719
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: I mean, as much as I love the Lee clips,

1720
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: any Maddio appearance of him playing basketball against Lee in

1721
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: the old what was that area twenty one twenty one? Yeah, listen, Yeah,

1722
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 3: he was a problem in that.

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 5: Studio that day.

1724
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I couldn't put him away.

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 4: It's just like any draft prospect video too, You shooting

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 4: over somebody way shorter than them.

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01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: Perfect.

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01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maddio's draft stock. I gotta say it took a

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01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: hit when this came out. You know, people were talking

1731
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: about him as a fringe first round or might not

1732
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 2: even go in the second. Maybe someday we should release

1733
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 2: the fall one on one. It was like a thousand clips.

1734
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: It was so long. I can't believe how long you

1735
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: guys actually played to score points. But I mean, you

1736
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: saw why Lee was locking it down defensively and then

1737
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: every time he get inside just in the layup. But yeah,

1738
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,480
Speaker 2: I got a lot of clips of Lee playing basketball

1739
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 2: on my computer. I had no idea.

1740
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 4: A great comment from Evander eighty five in the stream

1741
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,520
Speaker 4: team why he bullying Randos?

1742
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: It's That was the first day I thought of watching it, Trey.

1743
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,919
Speaker 3: I was like, how do you have this many clips

1744
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 3: of Lee playing basketball? How like you've got ones where

1745
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: he's playing he's shooting around with the ball in a

1746
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 3: bag because I guess was that Kyrie Irving?

1747
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 5: But that must have been like second season. I think too.

1748
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 3: That best clip, the best clip is you looking like

1749
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 3: George Miken. Just I love that clip so much.

1750
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 2: That's incredible, works are you? Yeah? Do you have big

1751
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 2: plan for tomorrow night? Lee?

1752
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 3: You know, trying to You'll be sitting with the family,

1753
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 3: I assume in front of the tvc and who drafts it?

1754
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: Where you fall?

1755
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1756
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 5: I hope so would. I mean after the first three

1757
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 5: or four picks, and i'd sort of, you know, unless

1758
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 5: you're a super super big draft college guy, it's not

1759
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 5: all that much fun for us. Really, Let's be honest.

1760
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. I mean, you know, they's not talking

1761
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 5: about guys like I've never heard of this guy before.

1762
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 5: I just never heard of this guy. It's really going

1763
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 5: to be exciting just to see if Lamello does go

1764
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 5: number one. Really, that's that's the most exciting thing. And

1765
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 5: will we get LeVar? Will we get LeVar on the

1766
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 5: on the broadcast or something?

1767
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want I think somebody tweeted at us

1768
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: after the video went up, like this should be a

1769
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: great reason why the draft should go back to like

1770
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: eight or nine rounds like it used to be. Like

1771
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: sometimes like Carl Lewis would be drafted like in the

1772
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: seventh round basically as like a promotional joke, and like

1773
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 3: I feel like you could have been drafted like Peter

1774
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 3: nine rounds, like some tea like the Jazz or somebody

1775
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: just take you with the last pick just to get

1776
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 3: some you know, social media buzz. But what do you think,

1777
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 3: Tassa about Lee's draft stock? Is it rising or falling

1778
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: as we come up to the draft on Wednesday night?

1779
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 4: M rising? I mean, I think it's at an all

1780
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 4: time high, so I don't know how it can get

1781
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: any higher. My question for for Trey is, how did

1782
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 4: you find out the age of the international amount of mystery.

1783
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 4: That was my first question. I always don't know how

1784
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,879
Speaker 4: old Lee is exactly.

1785
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, the only reason I ever remember Lee's age

1786
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: is because of his email address. I remember he wasn't

1787
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: able to get Lee Ellis, So he's gotta throw He's

1788
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: got to throw in the extra digits there at the end,

1789
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: and then I just do the math from there. I

1790
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: did have to go. I did have to ask Lee

1791
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: for his height and weight for a graphic we did.

1792
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: And that's why I say he's in JJ Brea's body

1793
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: because Lee's also often in JJ Berea's shorts. Oh that's right,

1794
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: he'll rock a pair of authentic MAVs shorts. So if

1795
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: you're looking for some NBA comps, there they are.

1796
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 3: My final question with this is like, because Trade did

1797
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: a lot of the work on this, I mean, are

1798
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 3: you sort of are you his agent?

1799
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 4: Like?

1800
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 3: Will you? Will you get a cut if he especially

1801
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,440
Speaker 3: goes in the lottery and it's good Paiday.

1802
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm not great with paperwork and detail skeets. I'm more

1803
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,959
Speaker 2: of a hype man. Maybe you could consider me a manager.

1804
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 3: Okay, don't leave the contracts to me though, Okay, well, yeah,

1805
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 3: we'll leave the contracts to money Millis. If you're flying

1806
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 3: with that, you're a good manager. Yeah, maybe I'll do

1807
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 3: the social media channels that work with that. Amazing stuff

1808
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 3: again from Trey, and good luck to you, Lee, thank you,

1809
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: thank you. I'll be interesting to see if you go

1810
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 3: in the lottery. You're going to continue to do the

1811
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 3: podcast I mean we see players do the podcasts and

1812
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 3: JJ Reddick and call them and stuff like that, So why.

1813
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 5: Not, right, I think so. I think that's the way

1814
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 5: the modern player needs to be. You know, you need

1815
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 5: to be good on the court, but they also have

1816
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 5: to consider your career post playing, you know. So yeah,

1817
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 5: you got to be.

1818
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: So you just putted it around. You started to considering

1819
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 3: your career prior to making the league. That's it.

1820
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 2: That's next leveling.

1821
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: Okay, look, we've got.

1822
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 5: A few friends out there. So like the grief that

1823
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 5: he came on the show a couple of times, he's

1824
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 5: got all these picks, like surely he uh bones.

1825
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: Brent Barry and you got a relationship. Yeah, Griffin, it

1826
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 3: wasn't Griffin in that video. Was he in the background,

1827
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 3: Yes he was.

1828
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 5: He was yawning, Yes, right, he was scouting you early Yeah.

1829
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And speaking of all our old friends at NBA

1830
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 4: TV on the stream team Irwin Rossio, ass, who's your

1831
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 4: uncle Dennis, Well, it could be three D Dennis Scott. Yeah, connections.

1832
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: We haven't got a story, he's got a story. Yeah,

1833
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: that's your story. Great point, great point. And there was

1834
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: another great thing going around.

1835
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: On Twitter when we posted the video of a lot

1836
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: of people saying all West Coast teams have to avoid

1837
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 3: drafting them playing like late games because you gotta go

1838
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 3: and you got to stick to the East coast.

1839
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 5: But I mean, if I'm living on the West Coast,

1840
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 5: then it's just normal time for me.

1841
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 4: So you know they don't play ten o'clock out there.

1842
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1843
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 5: With you.

1844
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: I think your your your body clock's all messed up.

1845
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: You go try, you know that's good. That's gonna I

1846
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: think you're slipping. You're gonna slip because of that people,

1847
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 3: or you're not gonna be able to trust, You're gonna

1848
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 3: be awaken games.

1849
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 5: We'll go to Utah to play with Joey Ingles. That'd

1850
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 5: be nice to have a oh Melbourne back, although he's

1851
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 5: from Adelaide. He played for Melbourne though, But yeah, would

1852
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 5: make at work.

1853
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 3: I think the Jazz they're taking a look at you.

1854
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: I know you've got a relationship with them online. All right,

1855
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: let's call it there. That was an extra long edition

1856
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,879
Speaker 3: of the Updown Report. Of course, we had tons of trades. Hopefully,

1857
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 3: uh well, I was gonna say hopefully not. But hopefully

1858
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: by the time you're listening to this, there are more

1859
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 3: trades and we'll be back to discuss those later in

1860
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 3: the week, because this is a wild NBA week. The

1861
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: draft is Wednesday night. We'll see where Lee get selected.

1862
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: We'll be back for sure on Thursday morning to recap

1863
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: the draft. You gotta assume there's gonna be a bunch

1864
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: of trades, sometimes their minor but whatever, there'll be some

1865
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: action there off of that. I'm sure we'll be back

1866
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: on Thursday to recap the draft. I know we're thinking

1867
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: about doing another Beach Step In podcast. I don't think

1868
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 3: we've locked that in, but get your questions in right

1869
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 3: now No Dunks at the Athletic dot Com or you

1870
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 3: can tweet them in at No Dunk Sync. We'll have

1871
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: a Beach Step In pod coming up soon. Free agency

1872
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,919
Speaker 3: begins at six pm on Friday. Oh my god. Contact

1873
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 3: really can be signed on Sunday, so we might have

1874
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 3: some things in work here over the weekend too. Of course,

1875
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,400
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1877
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1884
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's call it there. That was a fun one.

1885
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: Lots to talk about.

1886
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: Clipper Bros. You heard it here first, have a great time,

1887
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 2: turn up, Love you guys. Awesome.

1888
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 4: You better believe it was awesome. Thanks for joining us.

1889
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 4: And remember the Tampa Bay Lightning won the Stanley Cup,

1890
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays went to the World Series, and

1891
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 4: now Tampa Bay is taking the Buccaneers to the Super Bowl.

1892
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 3: Embrace the day, people.

1893
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: You could stay every day, that'd be happy.

1894
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 4: And it's been so long that you're the.

1895
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: Fun waiting for.

1896
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,520
Speaker 1: It happened already.

1897
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: It's going to be good me,