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Speaker 2: We'll talk about tanking and also the All Star Game
Speaker 2: coming up this weekend. This is not going as scripted
Speaker 2: for the NBA because I thought the World versus the
Speaker 2: United States was a wonderful approach, maybe a last ditched
Speaker 2: approach to have a little bit of competition with the
Speaker 2: All Star festivities. But now you've got a few players
Speaker 2: who won't be playing in the game. Kevin Durant was
Speaker 2: asked a question yesterday. I'll give you the question and
Speaker 2: his answer and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: I saw you saw the rosters were revealed and said,
Speaker 3: you're on that Old Heads team.
Speaker 4: Do you think the Old Heads will compete and try
Speaker 4: to win the whole tournament?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 6: You should ask the Europeans the World team if they're
Speaker 6: going to compete. I mean, because if we look at
Speaker 6: Luka Dancis and Nicole oki Is, now let's go back
Speaker 6: and look at what they do at the All Star Game.
Speaker 6: Is that competition? So we have a questioned what they've
Speaker 6: been doing. But we're gonna question old his in the Americans.
Speaker 6: But these two dudes out there Luca and Yochas. They
Speaker 6: don't care about the game. Man, Oh, these dudes be
Speaker 6: laying on the floor. They shoot from half court. But
Speaker 6: you got worried about the old heads playing hard. I
Speaker 6: can read between the lines.
Speaker 2: Bro Oh Durant. He's funny. He's funny, he's feisty. But
Speaker 2: you know it's a fair point. He's saying we play hard.
Speaker 7: They don't.
Speaker 2: But the reason why Joker doesn't play hard in the
Speaker 2: All Star Game is that's not his style. The All
Speaker 2: Star the way that's played up and down, dunking, that's
Speaker 2: not his style. Luca, that's not his style. So he
Speaker 2: might single them out as not playing hard. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: guess if they are playing this weekend in the All
Speaker 2: Star Game, they will play hard because they're playing for
Speaker 2: their country or countries. And I think you'll see a
Speaker 2: more spirited I hope it is, and I'm not asking
Speaker 2: too much. It's not going to be the way it
Speaker 2: once was, but I would like to see some competition
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll get that with this format. We're running
Speaker 2: out of ideas when it comes to the All Star Game,
Speaker 2: and it's not mandatory or the future of the sports
Speaker 2: at stake. You know it's like the Pro Bowl, and
Speaker 2: I said that for years, they don't want to play
Speaker 2: in it. When it was in Hawaii. You wanted to
Speaker 2: be awarded the opportunity to go to Hawaii with your
Speaker 2: family and oh, by the way, we'll show up, run
Speaker 2: through a couple of plays.
Speaker 7: Hopefully we don't get hurt. That's it.
Speaker 2: You just wanted the designation of being a pro bowler
Speaker 2: with the All Star Game. Do I want to see
Speaker 2: them go out and maybe make it like Olympic competition.
Speaker 2: I'd love to, but it's not going to happen. So
Speaker 2: maybe you get something that is a reasonable facsimile of
Speaker 2: a pickup basketball game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Seaton, Yeah, I think the first problem is trying
Speaker 3: to make this mean something. Yes, that's the first problem.
Speaker 3: So that already were starting from like a deficit there,
Speaker 3: don't Do you think the NBA did enough to get
Speaker 3: the format the tweaks to the format out there so
Speaker 3: people understand what this All Star Game is going to look.
Speaker 7: Like because it is significantly different. Well, you have three teams.
Speaker 7: You have two teams from the United States and then
Speaker 7: you have the World team, right.
Speaker 3: And then what that each You basically play like twelve
Speaker 3: minute quarters in like a round robin kind of Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't even understand it seedon, Well, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's complicated to understand. I just don't think that people
Speaker 3: know that it's changed that much.
Speaker 2: Well that you have three different teams and the quarters
Speaker 2: even then like I'm going to tune in and go, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe explain this to me a little bit further.
Speaker 7: But I thought it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you have three teams and you have
Speaker 2: one game, but try to combine three teams into one game,
Speaker 2: and it's the All Star weekend, and then you have
Speaker 2: the rising stars and now we just found out that
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is not going to be playing in that
Speaker 2: this isn't going as scripted for. And then you got
Speaker 2: the commissioner who is going to be under fire this
Speaker 2: weekend about tanking because these teams they're not hiding it anymore.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, you know, we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna play our starters until the third quarter when that ends,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna sit them down.
Speaker 7: Hey we might win, we might not.
Speaker 2: But it just feels like it's well it is. It's
Speaker 2: not a growing concern. It's a concern here. And I
Speaker 2: can't imagine what David Stern would be doing right now
Speaker 2: if he was the commissioner. Maybe it's not fair to
Speaker 2: Adam Silver, but David Stern would not be putting up
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 7: But I don't even know what you can do.
Speaker 2: You know, all the media rights. I think it was
Speaker 2: a total of like seventy billion dollars over the next
Speaker 2: eleven years. They're swimming in money. They don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with all the money that they're making. And
Speaker 2: if I'm a player, and let's say I applied this
Speaker 2: to Larry Bird. Larry Bird tried to eke out a
Speaker 2: ten year career back issues and he had to retire.
Speaker 2: What if Larry Bird played today and he did have
Speaker 2: a back condition, and I could maybe get fourteen years
Speaker 2: out of Larry Bird instead of ten, and maybe he
Speaker 2: played sixty five games, wouldn't you want that? Do I
Speaker 2: want Steph Curry to be able to play longer? Do
Speaker 2: I want Kevin Durant to be able to play longer?
Speaker 2: Lebron James to be able to play longer? And the
Speaker 2: answer is yes, I don't think the NBA cares about us.
Speaker 2: If we say the following, well, I go to one
Speaker 2: game a year. The NBA doesn't care about that. Now
Speaker 2: we do as you know parents, where you say, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to bring my kids to a game, but
Speaker 2: the NBA is worried about filling up the seats every
Speaker 2: single night. They want repeat customers, They want the people
Speaker 2: who are going to show up. And then you got
Speaker 2: the TV money as well flowing in. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if I got Commissioner Silver in a private moment
Speaker 2: and said, hey, if you're looking at the longevity of
Speaker 2: great players like Cooper Flag, he's going to have load
Speaker 2: management at some point in his career.
Speaker 7: They all do.
Speaker 2: Now, at nineteen, you can run all day, but he
Speaker 2: gets to be twenty six, now seven years, you know,
Speaker 2: on those legs, and then maybe you're going to have
Speaker 2: load management. It happens. But if I can extend Cooper
Speaker 2: Flag four more years by limiting him and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he's only playing in sixty five, maybe seventy games,
Speaker 2: It used to be a badge of courage, like you
Speaker 2: wanted to play as many games as possible. Charles Barkley
Speaker 2: won the MVP of the All Star Game and he
Speaker 2: played on a stress fracture.
Speaker 7: He shouldn't have been playing in the game.
Speaker 2: Imagine Michael Jordan breaks his foot and then comes back
Speaker 2: and you know you're going to play the Celtics who
Speaker 2: are going to beat you in the playoffs. They never
Speaker 2: would have let Michael Jordan back intoday's NBA. They just
Speaker 2: wouldn't because they'd say, that doesn't make any sense. We're
Speaker 2: going to sit you down, we're going to get into
Speaker 2: the lottery, we're going to tank, and we're going to
Speaker 2: be better.
Speaker 7: So the philosophy has shifted.
Speaker 2: I never ever worried when I tuned into a game
Speaker 2: if the stars were going to play or not. Growing up,
Speaker 2: it was a great luxury. And about ten years ago,
Speaker 2: maybe a little longer than that, it all changed. But
Speaker 2: I understand it from a player's perspective. If I can
Speaker 2: imagine if you add four more years to Steph Curry's career,
Speaker 2: that maybe it would have ended.
Speaker 7: You know, at thirty six, that's over a one hundred
Speaker 7: and thirty million dollars by just being economical, smart, taking
Speaker 7: care of yourself, getting your rest. And I know we
Speaker 7: don't like it, but you know, we're in a completely
Speaker 7: different world what it was like when we were growing up.
Speaker 2: You know, Bill Russell played every game and Bob Coosey
Speaker 2: played every game. Yes, but in today's NBA, they're looking
Speaker 2: at this from a business perspective. The NBA has business
Speaker 2: and entertainment, but the player is thinking about I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sit out.
Speaker 7: I mean, look at Yannis. He's had a calf.
Speaker 2: I don't know how serious it is, but he's been
Speaker 2: out for a while, and we don't even blink anymore.
Speaker 2: We're like, such and such isn't playing like Kawhi. I'm
Speaker 2: always surprised.
Speaker 7: When Kawhi's playing, being like, oh, and Kawhi is having
Speaker 7: an unbelievable year he is, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4: But also you got to put this on the team
Speaker 4: also because they're protecting their investment, because these guys are
Speaker 4: making so much money. Hey, this guy has a stress
Speaker 4: fracture or he has a bad calf. They're not going
Speaker 4: to throw him out there. Hey, let's keep him out
Speaker 4: here in an extra two games.
Speaker 2: I know, I get it. I get it that this
Speaker 2: is it's business. It's our entertainment, but it's their business. Yeah, Pauling,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 8: You're completely right about it. It's like a ship that's
Speaker 8: going one way and you can't turn it around. But
Speaker 8: if you look at what most fans think of it,
Speaker 8: they compare it to the NFL, and they'll always compare
Speaker 8: the NBA, which is considered not as rough and brutal
Speaker 8: as a sport, fair to say. And they sit out
Speaker 8: all the time, and football players they can't sit out
Speaker 8: because they have fewer games. But if you look at
Speaker 8: the ratings of the NBA finals the past fifteen years
Speaker 8: and load management they match each other, the finals keep
Speaker 8: going down and down and down compared to a generation ago,
Speaker 8: and that's a real problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Seeden.
Speaker 3: I think from the team perspective too though, I think
Speaker 3: it's probably important to remember that when you're the team,
Speaker 3: and yes, you're protecting your investment, but no one is
Speaker 3: bigger than the team. The team is going to keep
Speaker 3: going on after all of these people retire. There's you know,
Speaker 3: after Larry Bird, there's always going to be another Jason Tatum,
Speaker 3: and then there's going to be another guy. There's always
Speaker 3: going to be another guy that comes down the pike.
Speaker 3: And that's what teams are thinking about. This one guy
Speaker 3: is not bigger than the team. I don't really care
Speaker 3: who they are. They're not bigger than it's Lebron James
Speaker 3: is not bigger than the Lakers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you want to extend them. You want them
Speaker 7: to play four more years.
Speaker 3: Definitely, you want them to play four more years, for sure,
Speaker 3: but also not to the point where the team feels
Speaker 3: like we need you more than you need us.
Speaker 2: We'll settle on a poll question here. Chris Sims will
Speaker 2: join us. We'll look at some of these quarterback situations here.
Speaker 2: And man, there's some wild things that are out there,
Speaker 2: and you know they're not really reports, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of a what what was the word you used, Paulie
Speaker 2: where we try to get around saying it's a report linked, oh,
Speaker 2: link to ye linked.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know there was an article.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was on the mother Ship,
Speaker 2: but it talks about Joe Burrow and being linked to
Speaker 2: other teams. And you're going, okay, wow, what's And I
Speaker 2: said to Fritzy, all right, read it to me and
Speaker 2: he goes, I said, where's the Joe Burrow stuff? He goes, well, no,
Speaker 2: it's like the second you know part of the art.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Trey Hendrickson about Coles Cowboys, what teams is gonna
Speaker 7: go to? And then a little bourg towards the end
Speaker 7: is like about Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is not going anywhere.
Speaker 7: He's different to his quarterback.
Speaker 8: But what is that, Yeah, Paul, it is from Yahoo Sports.
Speaker 8: Bengals already have Trey Hendrickson replacement lined up amid Joe
Speaker 8: Burrow trade rumors as if they go together at all.
Speaker 2: And then you read it and then they say the
Speaker 2: Bengals aren't trading Joe Burrow. But it's that link and
Speaker 2: then you click on it. It's clickbait and they got me,
Speaker 2: they got me. That's where you want to respond to somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to yell at somebody like I
Speaker 2: stop that, you're better than that, But no, you got
Speaker 2: to click up, yeah, pauling.
Speaker 8: A big thing in journalism air quotes these days is
Speaker 8: say link to It's in Lewis saying there's a report
Speaker 8: that Trey Hendrickson is being pursued by blank blank. Like
Speaker 8: if you said today that you know what would be
Speaker 8: a great place for Joe Burrow to be the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 8: they would use you and say link to the Dolphins. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they tag it to Dan Patrick when you're not reporting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be good. Though, if Joe Burrow went
Speaker 7: to the Dolphins, you just aggregated yourself. They were all
Speaker 7: in on him.
Speaker 2: You know, it was weird that we had heard that
Speaker 2: leading up to the draft they were going to offer
Speaker 2: like five first round picks for Joe Burrow in Miami
Speaker 2: and then of course the Bengals you know, took him.
Speaker 2: But and then it came out like earlier this year
Speaker 2: that the the Dolphins were trying to get Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: at the draft.
Speaker 7: I'm like, this is old news.
Speaker 2: They they did, they desperately wanted to get Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: and now you got Tua. Maybe you don't even have
Speaker 2: ta So we'll talk to Chris Simms about a lot
Speaker 2: of these situations here because they're fluid. You're not quite
Speaker 2: sure we know what the Raiders are doing. But after that,
Speaker 2: is there a quarterback that somebody's going to go all
Speaker 2: in on and say that's our future? Because I don't
Speaker 2: see that. The parade yesterday, it was great to see
Speaker 2: probably eight hundred thousand their beautiful day there in Seattle.
Speaker 2: They're feisty, the Seahawks are got that chip on their
Speaker 2: shoulders still, you know, don't come at us and don't
Speaker 2: be saying something about my quarterback. And Sam Donald is
Speaker 2: just like, hey, thank you for believing in me, there
Speaker 2: weren't a lot of people believed in Sam Donald when
Speaker 2: they brought Sam Donald in. To be fair to the
Speaker 2: situation here, if you go back to when Sam was
Speaker 2: going to Seattle, it's not like it was, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: we got Sam Donald. It was wait, we got rid
Speaker 2: of Gino and we got Sam Donald. A lot of
Speaker 2: people said that. A lot of people said that, all right,
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Speaker 7: are you thinking about?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sort of workshopping here one. I just got
Speaker 3: to get the right number of letters to fit it in.
Speaker 3: But would you rather more games per season but less seasons,
Speaker 3: or more seasons but less games per Yes.
Speaker 8: Okay, I see where he's going. How about you could
Speaker 8: have a star player on a superstar player on your
Speaker 8: favorite NBA team ten years he plays eighty games a season,
Speaker 8: or fifteen years for sixty five games per season as
Speaker 8: an average.
Speaker 2: If he's staying on my team the whole time, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: then I'm going to take the extra years.
Speaker 8: Even though you get to see him less.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the time that I really care about seeing my
Speaker 2: superstar player is in the postseason, and if that leads
Speaker 2: to postseason success or availability, absolutely. Will I miss seventeen
Speaker 2: games that he wouldn't be playing in during the regular season, Yes,
Speaker 2: But if that means I've got four more, five more
Speaker 2: opportunities to win a championship, absolutely. Chris Sims joining us
Speaker 2: on loan from Pro Football Talk Live. He's co host
Speaker 2: with Mike Florio. Also was there working the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: for NBC Football Night in America. Do you think we'll
Speaker 2: ever get to the point where there is load management
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 11: No, I don't think so, I don't. I mean, it's just,
Speaker 11: you know, the league is so close. One game is
Speaker 11: equal to five games in the NBA or ten games
Speaker 11: in the NFL and Major League Baseball, right, So No,
Speaker 11: I mean, I think the only time you get to
Speaker 11: load management is with certain star players. Maybe if they
Speaker 11: have some injuries and teams that are smart bring them
Speaker 11: along the right way. But no, I don't think that's
Speaker 11: ever going to be a thing in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Then explain to me what the Raiders did with Max
Speaker 7: Crosby or is that tanking?
Speaker 11: Well, I think that was more tanking. I think, yeah,
Speaker 11: I think it was that maybe more than anything is tanking.
Speaker 11: He was dealing with a little bit of injury. Maybe
Speaker 11: they're saving himself from himself. But yeah, that's not, you know,
Speaker 11: a load management thing there. The Max Crosby situation in
Speaker 11: general is going to be fascinating here as we go
Speaker 11: into the offseason, right because you usually sit there and go, wait,
Speaker 11: you don't trade a player of the caliber of Max
Speaker 11: Crosby and do that. But yet this is one of
Speaker 11: those where you can look at it and justify it
Speaker 11: a little bit, or at least go I could see
Speaker 11: them doing it. It's twenty nine years old, as we know. Hey,
Speaker 11: there's a formula in the NFL. Most defensive players hit thirty.
Speaker 11: Teams don't want to give them big contracts new contracts there,
Speaker 11: and the Raiders have so many needs on their football team.
Speaker 11: Wouldn't be shocked if he does get traded this offseason.
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite players because he wants to
Speaker 2: play and he plays hard. Right, But if I'm the Raiders,
Speaker 2: I absolutely trade him. Yeah, absolutely, you know, I hate
Speaker 2: giving up on that, but I can't bring in a
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback with a rookie head coach and not have
Speaker 2: a good offensive line.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I hear you there, And you gotta wonder
Speaker 11: Max Crowby's got Crosby's getting to a point of his
Speaker 11: career where yeah, I don't know if he wants to
Speaker 11: sit around for the next two years and be a
Speaker 11: part of the rebuilding process.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm with you there, Dan in a lot
Speaker 7: of ways.
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at some of the quarterbacking situations.
Speaker 2: What's the biggest question mark you have?
Speaker 7: What team? What quarterback?
Speaker 11: Well, I think the obvious one is probably Pittsburgh a
Speaker 11: little bit. Just as far as where they go a
Speaker 11: playoff football team, we got no idea who the quarterback
Speaker 11: is going to be. I mean, Aaron Rodgers, mikeel McCarthy.
Speaker 11: It didn't necessarily seem like it ended the most perfect
Speaker 11: way when it was in Green Bay and now here
Speaker 11: they may be thrust it back together and then off
Speaker 11: of that, yes, do they bring them back, but is
Speaker 11: he can understand that, like the quarterback of the future
Speaker 11: is not on the roster of the Steelers, So like
Speaker 11: if they bring him back, is he gonna be okay?
Speaker 7: If like they draft Ty.
Speaker 11: Simpson in the first round, and then if they go
Speaker 11: two and five to start the year, is Ty Simpson
Speaker 11: gonna be in and is he gonna be able to
Speaker 11: deal with that?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 11: So I mean that to me is probably the most
Speaker 11: intriguing one. I haven't thought about it as a whole
Speaker 11: as a league here yet. I'm still kind of transitioning
Speaker 11: at a super Bowl mode here, But I think that's
Speaker 11: the one probably i'd still pick if you let me
Speaker 11: think about it even more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the Viking situation too. Yeah,
Speaker 7: right right, that's gonna be tough. No doubt. They're in
Speaker 7: a spot.
Speaker 11: They really are because as we talked about last year,
Speaker 11: their team right was playoff ready, maybe even super Bowl ready.
Speaker 11: Like I do think if Sam Donold played in the
Speaker 11: Minnesota Vikings last year, yes they would have gone to
Speaker 11: the playoffs. Definitely that they got to the super Bowl,
Speaker 11: I don't know about that, but yeah, they're in a
Speaker 11: spot where they definitely have to bring somebody that's you know,
Speaker 11: tried and true and proven to a degree, not only
Speaker 11: because if JJ McCarthy gets hurt, which is gonna be
Speaker 11: is becoming a thing, and if he doesn't play well,
Speaker 11: you gotta have a guy there that can at least
Speaker 11: come in those those scenarios and hold down the ford
Speaker 11: a little bit. But I also think you need a
Speaker 11: guy there to kind of have the hot poker next
Speaker 11: to JJ McCarthy every day a little bit, to be like, hey,
Speaker 11: you gotta be good today. You gotta be good today,
Speaker 11: gotta be good today. This guy's coming, he's practicing. He's
Speaker 11: a pro. He knows how to practice and look good
Speaker 11: in front of the rest of the football team.
Speaker 7: And I do think there's value in that for young quarterbacks.
Speaker 7: If I said you had to extend one, Rice Young
Speaker 7: or CJ.
Speaker 11: Stroud, gosh, I wouldn't have gone, no brainer CJ. Stroud
Speaker 11: right before the playoffs or the end of the regular season, like,
Speaker 11: no brainer. But what happened in here, Chris, Yeah, I
Speaker 11: mean it.
Speaker 7: Was questionable towards the end of the regular season.
Speaker 11: You know, I've had people go, oh, they think his
Speaker 11: concussion in the middle part of the year was still
Speaker 11: affecting him. Right, he has been in some different offensive systems,
Speaker 11: but man, he really lost his way towards the end
Speaker 11: of the year, lost his way with decision making, feel
Speaker 11: for the game.
Speaker 5: You know, the.
Speaker 11: Proper type of throws forgetting what his team was. I mean,
Speaker 11: I said to Mike Florio before, and I think this
Speaker 11: is why, you know, we were kind of talking about
Speaker 11: the Patriots and maybe there won't be the biggest bullseye
Speaker 11: on their back because of how the playoffs and Super
Speaker 11: Bowl went going in the next year. And I made
Speaker 11: the comment, You're like, yeah, I mean, hey, the Chargers
Speaker 11: game is underwhelming.
Speaker 7: The Houston game. You kind of felt like if CJ.
Speaker 11: Stroud just kneeled on the ball the whole game, Houston
Speaker 11: probably would have won the football game. Just kneeled on
Speaker 11: it every play, first, second down, third down, kneel on it.
Speaker 11: Defense will set us up for a field position. At
Speaker 11: one point we'll kick a field goal and win the
Speaker 11: game that way. Like I'm joking, but I'm not joking.
Speaker 11: It was that crazy. It was that bad. So I
Speaker 11: sit here now, I guess giving the edge to Bryce Young,
Speaker 11: but don't feel necessarily great about that. I mean, I
Speaker 11: know Carolina went into the year going, hey, we like
Speaker 11: where we're going, but we don't have our quarterback yet.
Speaker 11: We don't really know. We don't think we got the guy.
Speaker 11: We don't have the guy. Now, how he played better definitely.
Speaker 11: How do they feel about that? I'm sure they feel better,
Speaker 11: But I wouldn't sit here and just go, oh, we're
Speaker 11: just golden at quarterback with Bryce Young.
Speaker 7: I'm not ready to say that yet.
Speaker 2: You know, the draft is kind of sparse with what
Speaker 2: we think will be franchise quarterbacks. But I'm wondering about
Speaker 2: Mac Jones or Malik Willis. Feels like they could get
Speaker 2: that kind of I don't want to say Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: but they could get that. Hey, we've gone through you know,
Speaker 2: the washing machine a couple of times, right, maybe now
Speaker 2: it's our turn. Now we're at an age where we
Speaker 2: can handle this.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: No, I think Malik Willis is a superstar, right. I
Speaker 11: would think he is the like the crowning gem of
Speaker 11: guys that's going to be out there as far as
Speaker 11: free agents that you can get no compensation trading any.
Speaker 7: Like, why wouldn't Pittsburgh go for Malik Willis?
Speaker 11: If I were them, I'd be looking at that. You're
Speaker 11: you're exactly right. I mean, Malik Willis has proven I
Speaker 11: mean he's got special talent, he has a special arm,
Speaker 11: he's got special mobility, he knows how to run the
Speaker 11: offense and do all of that. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 11: he's a great story here and again another story of
Speaker 11: like we looked at the draft and you know, again,
Speaker 11: I was a Malik Willis fan coming out, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 11: I know Kenny Pickett can play in the pocket and
Speaker 11: he's very good in the meeting room. And I'm so
Speaker 11: sick of that damn dumb discussion all the time with
Speaker 11: some of these quarterbacks. And I'm gonna go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 11: how did that meeting room and in the pocket work
Speaker 11: for you, Pittsburgh Philadelphia Raiders?
Speaker 7: You know, how about the.
Speaker 11: Guy that has a ton of talent and can make
Speaker 11: game changing plays, It just needs a little polish and
Speaker 11: needs to be coached a little And that's where you
Speaker 11: know the league misses out on guys like that.
Speaker 7: But do you like Milake Willis more than Jordan Love.
Speaker 11: I It's closer than I ever thought it would be, right,
Speaker 11: And I'm really a Jordan Love fan. I mean again,
Speaker 11: I'm I'm the one that was like Jordan Love, I
Speaker 11: think is going to be better than Tua when he
Speaker 11: was coming out in the draft, right, So so I'm
Speaker 11: with that, But Malik Willis, I'm not gonna say he's
Speaker 11: better than Jordan Love Right now, I will say that
Speaker 11: I think he shows more potential to be a greater
Speaker 11: player than Jordan Love. That that's what I would say
Speaker 11: right now, But I got to see a little bit
Speaker 11: more before I say he's better than Jordan Love.
Speaker 7: And he's forty million dollars cheaper, right, That helps still,
Speaker 7: but he won't be forty million dollars cheaper after this
Speaker 7: off season that I think will change. What about Mac Jones' future, Well,
Speaker 7: Mac Jones is first off shown that he's capable of
Speaker 7: being a starting quarterback. We know that, right, And the
Speaker 7: guys like Shanahan and McVeigh and you know the Ben
Speaker 7: Johnson's in the world, the guys who have these unbelievable, intricate,
Speaker 7: hard offenses are always gonna like Mac Jones, just like
Speaker 7: Shanahan and McVay love the Kirk Cousins of the world
Speaker 7: and those guys because they can handle all the tricks
Speaker 7: that they have to offer to make the offense look
Speaker 7: tricky and awesome. Right.
Speaker 11: So that's where you know there's always gonna be love
Speaker 11: for Mac Jones. Now, he can't carry the team, right,
Speaker 11: you put them on crappy Jacksonville for two years ago
Speaker 11: with all that was going on there. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 11: Josh Allen, Lamar Mahomes. They're just gonna, hey, get on
Speaker 11: my back, guys, I'll get us through this time period here.
Speaker 7: No, he's not that.
Speaker 11: He needs system. He needs help, and when he does
Speaker 11: do that, you could see he can play at a
Speaker 11: high level. But at the same time, I don't think
Speaker 11: the forty nine ers in Shanahan are just gonna give
Speaker 11: him away. And not only will they have to be
Speaker 11: blown up by the trade, but the forty nine ers,
Speaker 11: as we know, were good and with healthy like there
Speaker 11: might be a Super Bowl team. And I knowing my
Speaker 11: buddy Kyle Shannan, I don't think he would leverage the
Speaker 11: future of the team and get rid of Mac Jones
Speaker 11: unless he's very comfortable with who his.
Speaker 7: Backup quarterback is.
Speaker 11: And I don't know if he's there with Curtis Rourke
Speaker 11: right who came off the ACL injury, coming from Indiana
Speaker 11: and being there and being that guy to hold down
Speaker 11: the fort if something did happen to Brock Purdy.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co
Speaker 2: host Football Night and America analyst and in his podcast Unbuttoned.
Speaker 2: If Mac Jones was Seattle's quarterback this.
Speaker 11: Year, yeah, okay, I mean they'd be in the playoffs
Speaker 11: for sure.
Speaker 7: Okay, so you're not saying they would they would still
Speaker 7: have won the Super Bowl. No, I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 11: You know, I think Sam Donald's talent is better than
Speaker 11: there's a reason. You know, Sam Donald was the number
Speaker 11: three pick and people thought he was going to be
Speaker 11: the slam dunk number one pick. Really, if you go
Speaker 11: back to that time, right, people were shocked that it
Speaker 11: was Baker Mayfield. Everybody thought, what, Sam Donald's going to Cleveland.
Speaker 11: But you know, he's got better physical ability than he
Speaker 11: gets credit for it. Right, You've heard Josh Allen talk
Speaker 11: about how Sam Donald spends the ball. I mean it's
Speaker 11: a perfect spiral that spins tight his arms, a little
Speaker 11: more explosive.
Speaker 7: Than people realize.
Speaker 11: You saw on Super Bowl Sunday his movement and getting
Speaker 11: out of trouble a few times was kind of special
Speaker 11: that way. So I do think he's capable of making
Speaker 11: some plays.
Speaker 7: That maybe Mac Jones isn't capable of making.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Super Bowl, and it felt like,
Speaker 2: and I said this a couple of times on the show.
Speaker 2: If you said to Patriot fans beginning of the year,
Speaker 2: you're going to the super Bowl, but you're not going
Speaker 2: to be competitive, would you sign up for that?
Speaker 7: And the answer is of course yes, yes. But man,
Speaker 7: it really feels like morale is low. After the way
Speaker 7: they were beaten.
Speaker 2: Your first round pick at left tackle gets you know,
Speaker 2: man handled, Drake May didn't look good through the entire postseason.
Speaker 2: So now handicap the Patriots going into next season knowing
Speaker 2: you have this super Bowl loss hangover.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they're still gonna be really good.
Speaker 11: They still got a lot of room on their cap space,
Speaker 11: kind of like what you alluded to. I mean, they
Speaker 11: were playing with house money. The fact that they got
Speaker 11: this far is incredible. I don't think they're going anywhere.
Speaker 11: I think they're gonna continue to be a really good
Speaker 11: team now. I mean, can they get back to the
Speaker 11: super Bowl and go fourteen to three?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 11: They're gonna have a first play schedule next year, And
Speaker 11: if you look at the teams they're gonna play next
Speaker 11: year on the road and all that, it's like whoa, Okay, whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 11: it ain't gonna be the same, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 11: morale is down because, like what you talked about, they
Speaker 11: didn't play very good football in the playoffs. I don't
Speaker 11: want to use the phrase they lucked into things, but
Speaker 11: things certainly with CJ. Stroud's play, the way Stidham, the Broncos,
Speaker 11: the snowstorm, Yeah, that definitely helped out. And I think
Speaker 11: to your point too, and to me, the biggest story
Speaker 11: going into the game was that the guy that was
Speaker 11: one vote away from being the MVP was historically bad
Speaker 11: in the playoffs, like historically, and same with the left tackle.
Speaker 11: And then we got to the halftime of the game
Speaker 11: and it was like, whoa again, the guy that was
Speaker 11: one vote away from being the MVP, it's historically bad
Speaker 11: in the first half of the game, made one real
Speaker 11: throw in the first three quarters of the game. He
Speaker 11: stepped up and throw a deep curl route to step
Speaker 11: Von Diggs in the first quarter, and I would say
Speaker 11: that was the only throw he made in the football
Speaker 11: game until the touchdown drive to make it nineteen seven
Speaker 11: to start the fourth quarter. That's crazy when you say
Speaker 11: that out loud, right, And that's why I think morale's
Speaker 11: a little down overall. And they were dominated in the game,
Speaker 11: and it just didn't look good. But they shouldn't be
Speaker 11: down for long. It just should be about the game
Speaker 11: and the future is bright for the New England Patriots.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but why didn't they make adjustments? You got thirty
Speaker 7: minutes at halftime, Chris, Yeah, right.
Speaker 11: Well here here, so here with my I really I
Speaker 11: watched the game on film and you know, this is
Speaker 11: what I do and the podcast and Chris Sim's unbutton
Speaker 11: and all that. First, I think the Patriots new they
Speaker 11: knew they weren't the better team. I tell you in
Speaker 11: the pregame warm up, so that they didn't they knew
Speaker 11: they weren't the better team. I said this to Rodney
Speaker 11: Devin McCarty. You went to either side of the field.
Speaker 11: The Seahawks were up on their field like we're about
Speaker 11: to show everybody today. It felt like the Patriots are
Speaker 11: a little bit like I hope we play our best
Speaker 11: game and maybe we can pull it off.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 11: That's kind of what it felt like on the field
Speaker 11: on Super Bowl Sunday, And I know Rodney and Devin
Speaker 11: mccorty kind of felt the same thing, to the point
Speaker 11: where you were like Seattle's so psycho. Rodney Harrison was like,
Speaker 11: I hope they don't run out of energy before the
Speaker 11: game's over. And I was like, Rodney Devin Witherspoon could
Speaker 11: not sleep for five nights in a row. He ain't
Speaker 11: gonna lose energy today. I was like, they're young and
Speaker 11: full of it and they're ready to go. But I
Speaker 11: do think the Patriots went in the game knowing that
Speaker 11: they weren't the better team. They knew they had to
Speaker 11: take chances on the defensive side of the ball, which
Speaker 11: is what you saw early on the game, right. I mean,
Speaker 11: Sam Darnold threw some passes and you're like, whooh, oh,
Speaker 11: my gosh. I mean they were gonna go for it
Speaker 11: on that side of the ball. And I think they knew,
Speaker 11: between the shaky play of their quarterback and the way
Speaker 11: and how good Seattle was, that they were just hoping
Speaker 11: to muck the game up, make it ugly. Oh it's
Speaker 11: nine to nothing, so what we'll put a drive together,
Speaker 11: make it nine to seven. Maybe Sam Darnold to make
Speaker 11: a mistake, and now we go up ten to nine,
Speaker 11: and now it's thirteen. That's what I think they went
Speaker 11: into the game thinking that was the only way they
Speaker 11: were going to be able to do it, but the
Speaker 11: fact that they couldn't run the ball at all then
Speaker 11: kind of shift the onus on to Drake May and
Speaker 11: the passing game and the pass protection and a bunch
Speaker 11: of other things you know that went along with it
Speaker 11: led to, you know, some really tough sledding in that department.
Speaker 7: It's an eight hour pregame show and you have a run,
Speaker 7: you have a rundown meeting where you get all the
Speaker 7: analysts together. Right at what point do you look at
Speaker 7: the rundown and realize that Rodney Harrison is going to
Speaker 7: question Tony Dungee's Hall of Fame vote? Was that one?
Speaker 7: Was that scripted? That that that was all a rundown?
Speaker 5: It was?
Speaker 11: It was?
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 11: It was I think kind of thrown into the rundown.
Speaker 11: And I'm not privy to all these conversations, but I
Speaker 11: think it was thrown into the rundown when the Hall
Speaker 11: of Fame made the most egregiously stupid, tropic thunder decision
Speaker 11: in the history of their their their their Hall of
Speaker 11: Fame with not putting Bill Belichick in with the most
Speaker 11: obvious should be first ballot Hall of Fame or ever. So,
Speaker 11: then it was like, well, we got to talk about this,
Speaker 11: and of course Rodney and Devin being from the Patriots
Speaker 11: and all of that. And then yes, throughout the week,
Speaker 11: you know, people started to question whether coach Dungee definitely
Speaker 11: did that and all that. So yeah, I think it
Speaker 11: kind of came organically and Rodney wanted to question Coach
Speaker 11: Dungee on that situation. And I didn't get to see
Speaker 11: the segment in total totality there, but it sounded like
Speaker 11: it went pretty good, even though Coach Dungee didn't quite
Speaker 11: answer the question all the way.
Speaker 7: Should he have answered the question?
Speaker 11: Well, you know me, I mean, I'm a big mouth
Speaker 11: to tell us says everything, So you know, yeah, he
Speaker 11: should answered the question. I would have liked him for
Speaker 11: him to answer the guy answering answered by not answering it.
Speaker 11: He answered it, Yeah, exactly right. I would have called
Speaker 11: Rodney for targeting. I would have had to flag him
Speaker 11: on that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 11: I thought Rodney might go harder, you know, I thought,
Speaker 11: you know, Rodney, Rodney, as we all know, like Mike
Speaker 11: Tyson at times, can be like a pitbull on the loose,
Speaker 11: and you're just like, oh, he's.
Speaker 7: In that mode, watch out.
Speaker 11: And I was kind of hoping the pit bull might
Speaker 11: get unleash during that interview, but he kept tame there
Speaker 11: and you know, stayed down leash.
Speaker 2: I guess thanks as always for joining us the entire season.
Speaker 2: We'll leave you alone for a little while.
Speaker 7: All right, just for a little while.
Speaker 11: You know, we got draft and free agency to talk about,
Speaker 11: so you know I'll be game for that whenever you're down.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Bud, all right, thank you. Tell those jerks
Speaker 7: I said, Hi, Hey jerks, he says Hi.
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Speaker 7: What does that mean?
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Speaker 7: A nine. You're talking to the wrong room of people. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's that's your other group of friends. Vince in Austin, Hi, Vince,
Speaker 7: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10: Hey guys, good morning. What an awesome, awesome energy yesterday
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Speaker 10: from nearby West Lake. He went to Westlex High School.
Speaker 10: I went to Travis. My freshman OC was Ron Schroeder,
Speaker 10: who left the next year to go to Westlake. He
Speaker 10: became a legendary football coach in the state of Texas.
Speaker 10: He started us doing the four wide, no huddle, the
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Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you, Vince, opening up your scrap
Speaker 2: book there. I had a long time to tell that
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Speaker 2: to tell the four wide and we ran you know,
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Speaker 7: All right, this is my window right here. Yep, now's
Speaker 7: my turn. Rich in Chicago. Hi, Rich, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Hey Dan? How are you too good?
Speaker 7: Bude?
Speaker 5: Good? Hey? You just CD strawed two days in a row.
Speaker 5: And I think you're just wrong about His offensive line
Speaker 5: is ranked twenty seventh in the NFL. He's got no
Speaker 5: skilled player that's ranked in the top ten in any category.
Speaker 5: He's got two seconds to throw to nobody open And
Speaker 5: you guys are just wrong about your assessment.
Speaker 7: This isn't my assessment.
Speaker 2: This is a team has to decide if they are
Speaker 2: going to do something with him. You saw Drake May
Speaker 2: got his team to the super Bowl. You're trying to
Speaker 2: tell me he's got skilled position players. You try to
Speaker 2: tell me he's got a good offensive line.
Speaker 5: And c J. Stroud they traded away the one of
Speaker 5: the best left tackles in the NFL and got nothing
Speaker 5: for him. They got a second round pick and a
Speaker 5: couple of third round picks. They have paid zero attention
Speaker 5: to the offense over the last three years.
Speaker 7: Okay, but do you think I'm the only one bringing
Speaker 7: up CJ. Strouden? Are you going to extend him?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, He's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 2: So I'm the only one bringing up Is there a
Speaker 2: question of extending him?
Speaker 5: You simms? Who's just bad? The one that surprises me
Speaker 5: is Golick. I think I thought he would know better.
Speaker 5: But and Darnold is the perfect example. He goes to
Speaker 5: the Jets, the worst franchise in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 5: and people are saying he's a bad quarterback. It's like
Speaker 5: they can't put two and two together.
Speaker 7: The Texans were a playoff team the previous year.
Speaker 5: Tell me the additions they made to their offense besides Stroud.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but why aren't you yelling at the Texans? They
Speaker 7: they this is malpractice?
Speaker 5: Then Rich the people that you know incorrectly put the
Speaker 5: blame on c. DE Stroud.
Speaker 7: Well, he does take some blame, don't you think he
Speaker 7: looked horrible. He couldn't hold onto the football. I mean,
Speaker 7: those are some of the worst games that we've seen
Speaker 7: in recent memory for a quarterback. Now you can bring
Speaker 7: up the offensive line, but he was fumbling the ball.
Speaker 7: He couldn't hold on to it.
Speaker 5: Listen, he did not play well.
Speaker 7: But to.
Speaker 5: Say that there's some doubt about his future over that.
Speaker 2: Is, so you're going to give him fifty five sixty
Speaker 2: million dollars a year moving forward?
Speaker 5: Give it to Would you give it to Bryce Young?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 5: Comical? Okay, So who else would you give it to?
Speaker 5: What are they going to do? They're gonna go back
Speaker 5: into the draft? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7: No, maybe you get him for thirty five million.
Speaker 2: Maybe he realizes that he's not getting sixty million and
Speaker 2: and and maybe you do salvage something here. But am
Speaker 2: I giving you want to give him sixty million? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't give Bryce Young sixty million dollars
Speaker 2: a year. But that'll be the going rate if you
Speaker 2: really love him, you think he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7: Hopefully they build around him.
Speaker 5: You pay him what he's worth, and you don't beat
Speaker 5: people over the head for things that don't that they
Speaker 5: are out of their control. You're going to leverage him
Speaker 5: because they've got a crummy offensive line. You're going to
Speaker 5: leverage his ability to make money because they've got a
Speaker 5: crumby offensive line.
Speaker 2: Well, you then pay him sixty million. Good luck with that, Rich.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're the president of the cj Stround fan
Speaker 2: club there. This isn't personal, Lane, Yeah, I know. This
Speaker 2: isn't personal.