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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: Tracker poll, about seven and ten adults that's seventy two

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Speaker 1: percent are worried about a significant reduction in federal funding

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. The Lincoln Project's own

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson joins us to talk about Trump weaponizing the

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Speaker 1: National Guard against protesters. Then we'll talk to David A.

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Speaker 1: Graham about his new book, The Project. How Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is Reshaping America. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Mai, So, David Hog callsed quite a stirred side the

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Speaker 2: DNC for wanting to not have people who die in

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Speaker 2: office constantly being we're sleeping open seats and diminishing our majority.

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Speaker 2: And there's a weaked audio of DNC chair Ken Martin

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Speaker 2: basically saying that what David Hogg did there supposedly has

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Speaker 2: want to be there anymore. This seems bad at a

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Speaker 2: time when we have our authoritarian presidents sending in the

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Speaker 2: National Guard to California and we really need an opposition party.

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Speaker 1: So here's the problem. Okay, the Democratic National Committee is

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Speaker 1: an impossible situation. You have a base that is furious,

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Speaker 1: largely agrees with David Hogg, wants democratic politicians really taking

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Speaker 1: a new playbook. Remember Democrats ran on the idea that

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Speaker 1: democracy was on the ballot. Trump is doing all sorts

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Speaker 1: of anti democratic things. They want, they're elected members of

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Speaker 1: Congress and senators to be absolutely pushing back in every

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Speaker 1: way they can. But if you're the chair of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee, you are trying to protect incumbents, right,

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Speaker 1: That's part of what they do, and also quell this

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Speaker 1: rage from the base. It's a very tough position. But

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, Ken Martin was put in this

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Speaker 1: job by state party chairs, so he has a relationship

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Speaker 1: with the democratic state parties. This means that he really

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Speaker 1: way to absorb the base's rage and channel that into

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Speaker 1: more better leadership. Because there's money to raise from that.

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Speaker 1: The problem is if he is too connected to trying

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Speaker 1: to protect incumbents, that's going to be a real problem

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Speaker 1: for him. This is a very very very very bad

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Speaker 1: moment to be the DMC chair. That's just it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is he the right man for the job. They don't

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Speaker 1: know enough about him. But the point is, and again

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Speaker 1: here is I think a real tell. Right here in

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Speaker 1: the recording, an emotional Martin describes being deeply frustrated by

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Speaker 1: the fallout over Hog, who has ignited a firestorm in

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Speaker 1: the party by vowing to spend twenty million in safe

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Speaker 1: blue primaries to oust incumbent democrats he believes are ineffective. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need to squash that necessarily, especially

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Speaker 1: because some of these Democrats are not effective. But the

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Speaker 1: reality is this is going to be a major, major,

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Speaker 1: super important midterm where we really need to focus on

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Speaker 1: Democrats winning back the House. So if that means primary

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Speaker 1: one or two very old members of Congress who are

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Speaker 1: don't know, this is almost a situation where Martin's response

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Speaker 2: And it was pretty funny because David Hogg did screenshots

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Speaker 1: To show it that it wasn't him.

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Speaker 2: And then Malcolm Kenyada, who's also a part of the DNC,

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Speaker 2: Called bullshit on it. So we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: So this is concerning, but it's also a fight we

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Speaker 1: It's clearly something we have to solve now. I do

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Speaker 1: want to say Malcolm Kenyata is pretty great and I'm

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for him.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, and be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I like all involved, But yeah, I don't know Ken Martin,

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Speaker 2: So the Washing Post has a report that says the

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Speaker 2: Trump administrations weighing how they cancel funding for California. We've

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Speaker 1: So fourth largest economy, you stop giving them money, they

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Speaker 1: Trump is I want to add, this is so trumpy.

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Speaker 1: They're looking for a reason to cut off the money, right,

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Speaker 1: so they have the punishment but not the crime. As

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Speaker 1: why because Maine has three trans athletes. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's three, maybe it's five, but I mean

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Speaker 1: it's some, you know, vanishingly small number. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's important to realize you cannot appease this man. If

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Speaker 1: you let him bully you, you lose, and you keep losing.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, all weekend long, we saw more

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Speaker 1: see what's happening to Columbia. Just like those law firms

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Speaker 1: that bend in the need for Trump, those guys losing

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Speaker 1: need of Trump. Trump just takes takes takes, so you

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Speaker 1: cannot appease. And that's really something that the people at

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Speaker 1: ABC should be thinking about one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: So I have a theory of the case. I'm curious

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Speaker 2: things that Democrats have missed an opportunity to run on

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Speaker 2: is that Republicans constantly make bills like these trans bills,

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Speaker 2: and now we have bills banning chemtrails that don't exist.

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Speaker 2: Democrats need to say, we're trying to change your lives.

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Speaker 2: They're trying making up fantasies that don't exist, and run

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Speaker 2: against this because this is bullshit and people want bills

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Speaker 2: that deliver and change their lives. What do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, I think your thesis is correct. And

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Speaker 1: I think, look, Republican, this is something they've been doing forever, right,

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Speaker 2: Performative moronics is what we often called it.

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Speaker 1: Right, performative moronics. So of course this is what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And look, you have a health organization that's run by

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Speaker 1: a guy who spent the weekend tanning. Okay, my man,

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Speaker 1: he tends he swims in Rock Creek Park, he chews

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Speaker 2: You mean the high froth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Somi. We had footage this weekend of tanks rolling into

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Speaker 2: decent So unlike LA, this is for Trump's stupid parade.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be counter protests to it all over

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Speaker 2: America that I think our listeners might be interested in.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk to us a little bit about this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I just I did a reading in Princeton, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: talking about is a no King's Day. The idea is

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has made himself a king. This is

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Speaker 1: a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the United States

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Speaker 1: Military of the Army, but it happens to also be

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Speaker 1: this same day as Donald Trump's birthday. The Navy and

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Speaker 1: Republicans are like, it's just a coincidence, it's for the army.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is not a coincidence. This is Trump doing

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Speaker 1: authoritarian things. He's you know, I thought they were trying

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Speaker 1: to save money. We know that having a insane group

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Speaker 1: any money. It's just a complete None of us should

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Speaker 1: be surprised by the performative moronics. And also, it really

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Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that feels like a souloritarian

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Speaker 1: want to be. Look, this is a guy who worships

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Speaker 1: Victor orbon This is what you get when you worship

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Speaker 1: Victor Orbona. Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Project and the host of the Enemy's List.

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, OLLI, Jong, fast, have you been arrested this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Not yet.

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Speaker 3: A question I started asking people these days because you

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Speaker 3: never can tell anymore.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about California. I want to just like

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Speaker 1: mention something which is anecdotal and not reported, but I

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Speaker 1: think important. A friend of mine who was in New

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: a degree to which Stephen Miller and Tom Holman and

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about protests because I want to like

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Speaker 3: Now I think you could absolutely make that case historically, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, right, So I want to be cognizant of

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Speaker 1: what's happening. That said, these protests are protests happening not

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Speaker 3: Correct, this is not Vietnam. This is not so amorphous

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Speaker 3: There's a reason they're not happy about it. It's because

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Speaker 3: they shouldn't be. And you know, you're seeing some of

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Speaker 3: these Republicans start to get very nervous, Like this morning

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Speaker 3: in Florida, you had Salazar, a Republican congressperson from Miami,

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Speaker 3: suddenly saying, Oh, I don't want all these people deported.

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Speaker 3: They're good people. Oh oh are they? You might have

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Speaker 3: mentioned that before your shill, but you know it is,

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Speaker 3: but it is. This is larger and more organic and

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Speaker 3: more dangerous for Trump. Then. I think that a lot

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Speaker 3: of a lot of his allies have realized they look

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Speaker 3: at this as Oh good, it's more Antifa going up

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Speaker 3: against the cops. We always win that battle. I'm not

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Speaker 3: a lot of the Trump folks think.

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Speaker 1: All Elon's people want is for Trump and Eline to

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Speaker 1: push against his fucking bell on this app.

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Speaker 3: Mollie, I could not agree with you more. It is

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Speaker 3: a it is a moment that is rarely handed to

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Speaker 3: this to the Democratic Party, where where all they have

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Speaker 3: to do is take advantage of some basic luck.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk if you were if you were working

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Speaker 1: in Chuck Schumer's office right now, what would you do?

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Speaker 3: Look, I would be doing well. First off, Yes, Line

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Speaker 3: one in the in this thing is the parliamentarian. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that is. That is there's a lot of liquid, hot

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Speaker 3: garbage in this thing that cannot survive. But round two

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Speaker 3: is you got time now to talk about what this

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Speaker 3: is going to do to real people and to voters

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Speaker 3: in these in these in these Republican districts. And right

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Speaker 3: now I haven't heard the Democrats aggressively doing that, to

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Speaker 3: my mind enough, But they've got a moment here where

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Speaker 3: they can start outlining the harm of this bill, they

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Speaker 3: can start outlining the things that are in it. That

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Speaker 3: are the stinkers that they that the Republicans all claim.

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Speaker 3: I never had a chance to read.

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Speaker 1: That, right, I didn't see the judis, but but I wonder.

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Speaker 3: It's like what I said that I joked. I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that the throwing puppies in the wood

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Speaker 3: Chipper bill would mean we would throw puppies in the

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Speaker 3: wood chipper, right.

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Speaker 1: The refusal to regulate AI, to not allow states to

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Speaker 1: regulate AI, to put that for a decade, I mean

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Speaker 1: insane lawmaking at every point. Here's the other thing I want.

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Speaker 3: Decade from now, Molly, the robot overlords will have destroyed

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Speaker 3: us all at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's also but it's also I think a

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Speaker 1: really important point, which is like right now, Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: has said this bill is a no go. That is

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Speaker 1: the biggest Republican donor. So you you know, if John

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Speaker 1: Thune wants to go to war with the money for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, bring it on.

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Speaker 3: And look as Trump Trump tried to threaten Elon today

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Speaker 3: with that whole like the very serious consequences if he

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Speaker 3: does anything, gives up give money to other people. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 3: you know, first off, yes, thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: the once again reminding us that the Free Speech Party

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Speaker 3: is anything but. And secondly, you know this is this

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Speaker 3: is a pretty hollow threat. If klon Musk wants to

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Speaker 3: spend his money, He's going to spend his damn money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And again, as you said, I strongly encourage Elon to

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Speaker 3: pursue every possible rem to the harm that's been done

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Speaker 3: to him, because.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, heartily, heartily, heartily gray. David A. Graham is a

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Speaker 1: writer at the Atlantic and the author of the project

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Speaker 1: How Project twenty twenty five is Reshaping America.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Fast Politics, David.

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Speaker 6: Graham, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I think we should talk about this book you wrote

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Speaker 1: about Project twenty twenty five, because the thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: struck by and I feel like I'm going crazy because

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Speaker 1: every day I'll be like, oh, yeah, this was in

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Oh this, this was.

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Speaker 1: In Project twenty two. Like I was actually talking to

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Speaker 1: someone political this morning who's a straight news reporter. We

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Speaker 1: were like debating whether or not Trump is tireder than

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Speaker 1: he once was, and he was like, well, he's gotten

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Speaker 1: a ton done in the first hundred days, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, yes, everything from Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: Yes, totally. I have the same experience. I keep seeing headlines,

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's the that's there, just over and over

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Speaker 6: every day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You read it the South and was like and were like,

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Speaker 1: oh fuck, and then just wrote a book about it.

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Speaker 6: I mean I read bits and pieces last summer, and

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Speaker 6: then I actually didn't read I didn't sit down to

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Speaker 6: read all through as one thing until after the election,

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Speaker 6: and then read it really fast.

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Speaker 1: And then you were like, oh fuck, what I like

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Speaker 1: about it? And I haven't read the whole thing cover

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Speaker 1: to cover. Is it a thousand pages? It's pretty big, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think at the nine hundred and twenty two give us.

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Speaker 1: The whole like elevator pitch about it, just for those

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Speaker 1: who have not been who can sleep at night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So in twenty twenty two, the Heritage Foundation asked Paul Danz,

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Speaker 6: who had been in the first Trump administration in a

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Speaker 6: kind of low level position, to put together a bunch

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Speaker 6: of contributors and have a plan for the next conservative president.

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Speaker 6: And so they got seventy people, a bunch of them

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Speaker 6: former Trump administration members, think tankers, conservative wonks, that sort

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Speaker 6: of group, all from kind of across the whole MAGA, right,

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Speaker 6: And they put together this plan for what they would

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Speaker 6: do department by department and also how they would do it,

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Speaker 6: and they produced this document. They put it online in

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Speaker 6: September twenty twenty three. You know, as we're saying, it's

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Speaker 6: been kind of the blueprint for how Trump is operated.

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Speaker 6: And I think the thing that is notable about it

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Speaker 6: is not just the things that they said they wanted

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Speaker 6: to do, which is what I had been aware of,

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Speaker 6: you know, last summer, but how carefully they laid out

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Speaker 6: plans to do it, and in particularly the way they

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Speaker 6: want to seize power for the president and take over

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Speaker 6: powers that belonged to Congress or to other parts of

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Speaker 6: the executive branch.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of the whole story, and by favorite,

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, my fucking god, was when everyone was like,

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Speaker 1: he's going to do Project twenty twenty five. Because they're

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Speaker 1: saying he's going to do Project twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: in the introduction is like, I'm doing Project twenty five five,

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Speaker 1: and then Trump comes out and it's like, no, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, and everyone's like, oh, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's amazing that it flew at all. I mean, these

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Speaker 6: people are straight from his administration. I think about somebody

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Speaker 6: like Russ Vote, who was the head of OMB in

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Speaker 6: the first administration, ran his policy committee at the RNC

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four and is now back at LMB.

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Speaker 6: Never plausible at.

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Speaker 5: All, never even and everyone was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I got from it was a great

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Speaker 1: expansion of presidential powers, creating a world in which each branch,

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Speaker 1: like the DOJ, which used to be a separate entity,

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Speaker 1: would really be an arm of the president'sy. We are

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Speaker 1: seeing that so clearly with Air Force one Gate. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you could talk about that mechanism, which is

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Speaker 1: that I feel like is one of the many new

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Speaker 1: things in this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a bunch of these things. And it's a

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Speaker 6: mix of like blowing through informal guidelines or rules that

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Speaker 6: existed that weren't laws, and then in some cases going

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Speaker 6: right through laws, or trying to get the Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: to approve overturning laws.

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Speaker 1: Right or using laws that everybody had forgotten about because

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Speaker 1: they were so stupid and insane.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, or applying them in ways that no one had

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Speaker 6: anticipated exactly. So the big things I think are one, yeah,

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Speaker 6: taking over the Justice Department, which you know they point

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Speaker 6: out it's the attorney general is appointed. But there've always

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Speaker 6: been rules that not always there have been long been

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Speaker 6: rules that insulated DJs, so there weren't abuses and their headituties.

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Speaker 6: That is bad right where they've been, you know, firing

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Speaker 6: civil servants in violation of the law. They want to

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Speaker 6: convert civil servants to political appointments so they can fire

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Speaker 6: them and also tell them what they want to do.

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Speaker 6: They want to seize control of the independent regulatory agencies,

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Speaker 6: so you know, the FCC, the FEC, so on and

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Speaker 6: so forth. We've seen them trying to fire people in

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Speaker 6: those positions in obvious violation of the law, and those

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Speaker 6: are now in lawsuits. And then also there is the

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Speaker 6: attempt to impound funds so to basically take the power

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Speaker 6: of the purse away from Congress. So all of that

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Speaker 6: combines to make a much more powerful presidency.

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Speaker 5: Right, the imperial presidency.

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Speaker 1: What I like so much about this is that since

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Speaker 1: they do this thing where you say what they want

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Speaker 1: to create an imperial presidency and they go yeah, mm hmm,

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Speaker 1: like instead of being like, no, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that they're like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's a to me that they just put

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Speaker 6: this all online in summer of twenty twenty three. Here's

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Speaker 6: our playbook, here's what we are going to do, and

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Speaker 6: then they've done it. Well, you know, we can't say

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Speaker 6: we weren't warned exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what I like also about Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: is like everybody has a peccadillo, because these are highly

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Speaker 1: aggrieved people who feel that they have never gotten their due, right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the entire trumpest regime sort of runs

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Speaker 1: on conservative agreement, right that you know, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: into Harvard. I only got into pen because Harvard was

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Speaker 1: taking liberals, right, or you know the Charlie Kirk of it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get into college because other people who were

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Speaker 1: less deserving got into college and they weren't white. Ergo,

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Speaker 1: I am now going to do racism. Okay, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of that kind of aggrieved thinking in this book.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the sort of in Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. What are the kind of most aggrievedy kind

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Speaker 1: of or whatever you've seen in there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So there's like it operates on a bunch of levels.

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Speaker 6: There's a kind of general grievance like liberals have taken

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Speaker 6: over the culture. You know, they say, we're in the

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Speaker 6: late stages of Marxist takeover. They're taking away the America

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Speaker 6: we love. We have to take it back. So there's

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Speaker 6: this kind of broad one. There's a sense that within

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Speaker 6: the government, liberal elites have a stifled the ability of

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Speaker 6: conservatives to do what they want or to control the government.

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Speaker 6: You know, they stifled Trump in his first term. There's

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Speaker 6: a sense of grievance about the twenty twenty election being

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Speaker 6: supposedly stolen, and then also about the prosecutions of Trump,

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Speaker 6: so they're very upset about that. And then you get

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Speaker 6: kind of particular grievances to individuals and inside departments. So,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think Paul Dan's is a great example of.

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Speaker 5: This, right, this is the most interesting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like Paul Dan's is angry that one of the

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Speaker 6: reasons he wants better political appointments and why he focused

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Speaker 6: on this is he's angry that he didn't get a

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Speaker 6: better job in the Trump administration in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 6: he thinks he was blocked by bush people and rhinos

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Speaker 6: and he wanted real maga people in the government. And

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Speaker 6: he has this real like crusade against who he sees

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Speaker 6: what he says as bad political appoint ease. And then

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Speaker 6: you get like, you know, in every individual chapter you

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Speaker 6: have an element of this. So yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 6: think about like the intelligence chapter complains that, you know,

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Speaker 6: conservative dissenters have been not allowed to speak in intelligence,

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Speaker 6: but they also say intelligence analysts need to keep their

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Speaker 6: mouths shut and go along with the program. So there's

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Speaker 6: a real contradiction there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of abortion stuff in here that I

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Speaker 1: feel like so much of the modern conservative movement we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't even call it conservative because that's such a misnomer,

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Speaker 1: but so much of this modern movement, ohs great credit

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Speaker 1: to this sort of fillish slack play wing of insanity.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about that, this sort of anti feminism,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 6: I want to go back real quickly. I mean, you

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Speaker 6: said this, it's not conservative, and I think that's a

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Speaker 6: great point. And I have been trying and not always

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Speaker 6: succeeding to think about it that way, to talk about

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Speaker 6: it that way, like it's right wing. But I don't

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Speaker 6: think it's conservative. I think they're contemplating power grabs and

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Speaker 6: approaches and use of government that conservatives have traditional lyrisistay.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and that's why you see on his

656
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Speaker 1: own rand Paul just by himself being like, hey, hey,

657
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Speaker 1: that's not what we are talking about.

658
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's I mean, there's a very anti feminist strain.

659
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Speaker 6: The number of ideas they have for abortion, I think

660
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Speaker 6: is remarkable. People. Obviously they would like a national abortion ban,

661
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Speaker 6: but they also want to withdraw FDA approval from pristone.

662
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Speaker 6: They want to prevent it from being mailed using this

663
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Speaker 6: eighteen seventy three law. They want to create a database

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Speaker 6: that tracks abortions at the state level, in part to

665
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Speaker 6: track whether women are crossing state lines to get abortions.

666
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Speaker 6: They want women mostly to be at home looking after children.

667
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 6: They want men to be the breadwinners. So it is

668
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: this very traditional schlafy esque kind of vision of how

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Speaker 6: life should work.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Comstock because I think of

671
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Speaker 1: Comstock as one of these zombie laws.

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Speaker 5: Right, those laws.

673
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Speaker 1: That Comstock comes from, anti corruption laws. Anti corruption laws

674
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: seemed so outdated that no one in Congress bothered to

675
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Speaker 1: repeal them. I want you to talk to us about

676
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: other zombie laws in this book, or other things that

677
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Speaker 1: you saw that were leaziness had left them on the

678
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Speaker 1: books or anything along those lines.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, you see the Alien Enemies Act,

680
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Speaker 6: I think is a great example of this. This is

681
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Speaker 6: something that goes back to the late eighteenth century that

682
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Speaker 6: they're resurrecting.

683
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Speaker 5: More of eighteen twelve.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Insurrection Act. Using it in other place, is

685
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: trying to, you know, argue there's an invasion of the country.

686
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 6: And so they're really clever about digging into the law.

687
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 6: And these are people who spend a lot of time

688
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 6: in government and understand government well, different from Elon, who

689
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 6: you know, seems to be discovering how little he knows.

690
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 6: These guys have done the work and they they've been

691
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Speaker 6: spent a lot of time digging up where they see

692
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Speaker 6: laws they can use like this and apply in totally

693
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Speaker 6: novel ways.

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Speaker 1: How does Elon sort of dovetail in this since on today?

695
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Speaker 6: I think Elon has been a good vessel for a

696
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 6: lot of the Project twenty twenty five people where they

697
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 6: didn't anticipate him and when the you know, when they

698
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 6: produced this report, he was not yet, he hadn't gone

699
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 6: full Trump yet. But they've been really good just sort

700
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Speaker 6: of pointing him where they want, and so they had

701
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Speaker 6: they imagined, i think, a pretty slow attempt to shrink

702
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Speaker 6: the federal workforce by firing a lot of people by

703
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Speaker 6: using legal means, which they had thought about a lot,

704
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Speaker 6: and they realized that they can sort of point eline

705
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 6: at something and he'll just drive the bulldozer through. Some

706
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Speaker 6: of those things will probably get knocked down in court,

707
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Speaker 6: but I think there's going to be a permanent shift

708
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 6: because you can't simply reconstitute these things. Once you've laid

709
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Speaker 6: a lot of people off, they're not going to come

710
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Speaker 6: back to work. They're not going to come back to

711
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Speaker 6: work in the government. You're not going to restart these programs.

712
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Speaker 6: And so he has been a really effective agent for them.

713
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Speaker 1: I mean, tell me what's in there that really surprised

714
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Speaker 1: you or that people are not talking about but Trippe

715
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Speaker 1: or that's just weird.

716
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Speaker 6: Yeah, God, there's so much that's just weird. I mean, like,

717
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 6: you know, they want to ban porn entirely, and right,

718
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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 1: By the way. That's like I'm like, that's what's so

720
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Speaker 1: great about the thing is that like nobody, not even

721
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Speaker 1: Steven Miller, has read the whole time, right, So like

722
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Speaker 1: they do want to ban porn? And everyone's like, no,

723
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Speaker 1: that's not true, and it's like no.

724
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Speaker 6: No, really do they want to, you know, eliminate regulation

725
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Speaker 6: of forever chemicals. I mean it's just like in every

726
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 6: section you can find something like that. I think the

727
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 6: environmental stuff is starting to get attention, but has not

728
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 6: sufficiently because it is I mean, they just want to

729
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 6: eliminate almost all climate research. They want to get rid

730
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Speaker 6: of climate regulation. It's such a sweeping assault on the

731
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Speaker 6: data and on any protections for climateacation, and their answers like, well,

732
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Speaker 6: private business and innovation will is the best way to

733
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Speaker 6: take care of this, which is not an answer at all.

734
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Speaker 6: I think that's really important. I mean, I think the

735
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Speaker 6: assault on the Education Department and the desire to effectively

736
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Speaker 6: snuff out public schools is really important and people have

737
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Speaker 6: gotten a little bit of that, but maybe not quite

738
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Speaker 6: how deep it is. And the family stuff, I mean,

739
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 6: the way they want to use every arm of the

740
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Speaker 6: federal government to encourage this biblically based vision of the family,

741
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Speaker 6: I think is a really sweeping grab onto power as well.

742
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a really good point. The data stuff,

743
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: the idea that somehow knowing things will make them true

744
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Speaker 1: is super interesting. And that's like the war against the

745
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Speaker 1: national the weather. Talk to me about that because that's

746
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Speaker 1: a thing. It's just so strange, but it makes sound right.

747
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so much of their ideas like we

748
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 6: want research with a for ordained conclusion. So they want

749
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Speaker 6: research on, you know, the harm that abortion does to women,

750
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Speaker 6: or they want research on how traditional families produce better outcomes.

751
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Speaker 6: You've already declared what you want, and I think this

752
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Speaker 6: is true. You know, when they talk about climate they

753
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 6: say they want the federal government to do research and development,

754
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 6: but then they talk about all the things they want

755
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Speaker 6: to cut, and that includes funding for a lot of

756
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Speaker 6: basic research and includes funding for understanding even what you know,

757
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Speaker 6: what climate is doing. They want all that stuff privatized

758
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 6: because it helps people who are related you know, Trump

759
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 6: donors and people involved in the movement, but also because

760
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Speaker 6: once you have good data that suggests climate change, it's

761
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Speaker 6: very hard to argue against taking action, which they don't

762
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Speaker 6: want to do.

763
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Speaker 1: Some of it can be pretty easily undone, right, Like

764
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Speaker 1: Trump did one hundred executive orders about things that are

765
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: like Mark Olias makes me mad. I understand, he makes

766
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: you mad, but that's not actually how any of it works.

767
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Speaker 1: But is there anything else where you sort of see

768
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Speaker 1: a real opportunity to undo or where you really say

769
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Speaker 1: that it's going to be hard to get back from.

770
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Speaker 6: I think it's a kind of question of how long

771
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Speaker 6: we go. There's a lot of these things that Congress

772
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 6: could stop quickly, but the or the courts will stop slowly.

773
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Speaker 6: But the longer they go on, the harder they are

774
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 6: to reverse. And so even if you can, you know,

775
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: you can switch the executive order, you can cancel something,

776
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 6: but I think some of the damage to like the

777
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 6: sort of infrastructure of federal government is going to be

778
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 6: a lot harder to undo. And also, like I mean,

779
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 6: executive orders is exactly right. I mean, I remember how

780
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 6: angry so many people in the Republican Party were when

781
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Speaker 6: Obama was talking about using executive orders in twenty thirteen,

782
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 6: twenty fourteen, and now they didn't have a legislative agenda.

783
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 6: It's all just using executive power to force these things through,

784
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Speaker 6: which is another reason why I think it's on. You know,

785
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Speaker 6: it's not conservative at all.

786
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Speaker 1: Rare, It's true, it's not conservative at all. It's something else.

787
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Speaker 1: It's some strange kind of neo monarchist to function. A

788
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised at how much Congress rolled over.

789
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: I have not actually been so surprised by that. I mean,

790
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Speaker 1: I think if you saw Trump one, you realize, like

791
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: these people, you know, the few people who are not

792
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: completely cowed to him, really did just lose their seats.

793
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Speaker 1: I wonder, though, when he came into power, he swept

794
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Speaker 1: in on a certain you know, he won the popular vote,

795
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Speaker 1: he was in a better position than he had been

796
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. And again, maybe I'm just a cock

797
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: eyed optimist, but I wonder now we see that a

798
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: lot of this is unpopular. We you know, the sort

799
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: of thalt of trump Ism. You know, he wants to

800
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff that's going to be expensive

801
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Speaker 1: and unpopular. And you know, there really is the invasion

802
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: that they had said was a thing is not, you know,

803
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: Trende Aragua is not coming to Ohio and Republican the

804
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: brand clearly he has tarnished. Do you think there's a

805
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: way here that Republicans find bravery?

806
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 6: You know, the one time I've seen Republicans do anything,

807
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 6: it's interesting, was when Russfold tried to impound funds at

808
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 6: the very start of the administration, and you had a

809
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 6: group of Republican senators say, hey, wait a second, that's

810
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 6: money that's going to our states, and immediately the White

811
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Speaker 6: House back down. And that's the only time they've spoken up.

812
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Speaker 6: And that was really striking to me. I do think

813
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: it's really unpopular, and I think that will backfire. But

814
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Speaker 6: I also think for the authors of Project twenty twenty five,

815
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 6: they understood that. They mean, we had pulling from heritage

816
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 6: last summer, that it was at polling over seventeen percent

817
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: in battleground states, right, and then.

818
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Speaker 5: Last even when people got to know about it, Yeah.

819
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so they were like, we need to get

820
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Speaker 6: as much of this done in the first one hundred

821
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Speaker 6: days and in the first two years as we can,

822
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Speaker 6: because they knew they would be backlash and they just

823
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Speaker 6: want to move the baseline as far as they can.

824
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Speaker 6: And so for them, Trump is a means to that end,

825
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 6: and if he becomes unpopular, it's less of a big

826
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Speaker 6: deal for them because they're playing a long game.

827
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Speaker 5: Right.

828
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Speaker 1: I really think that is the most salient point of

829
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And that again, and when you look

830
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: at the war and the courts right, that moving the

831
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: courts the right like they overturned row The things they

832
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: want they're getting, and they're sort of moving fast and

833
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: breaking things because ultimately they don't really care what happens

834
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Speaker 1: to Trump.

835
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Speaker 5: Trump is a vassal for those.

836
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. They're very clever about I mean, I think

837
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 6: we saw this with Rowan and we see this year.

838
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 6: They're very clever about playing a long game and thinking

839
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Speaker 6: about the methods they want to do and thinking far ahead.

840
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Speaker 1: People have been saying that Democrats should have a Project

841
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine. Do you think that's a good idea

842
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: or do you think that actually Project twenty twenty five

843
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Speaker 1: has been largely harmful.

844
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Speaker 6: I think the thing that Democrats need to take is

845
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 6: about the planning and methods, Like it's not enough to

846
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 6: have what you want to do, but you need to

847
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 6: have an idea of how you want to do it.

848
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Speaker 6: And I think that's really important. But I also think

849
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 6: the thing that we really need that I've been thinking

850
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 6: about is we need to empower Congress. Congress has been

851
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: so disempowered. This is something that the Project twenty twenty

852
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 6: five authors say, but a lot of people agree, and

853
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 6: we see them rolling over to Trump. So the best

854
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 6: thing I think to strengthen democracy is to find whey,

855
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 6: is to get Congress back in action and defending its

856
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 6: prerogatives in doing its work.

857
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Speaker 1: And maybe having people who are not one hundred years old.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, David Graham.

859
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Molly john Fast, what is your

861
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: moment of fuck ray?

862
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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I mean Steven Miller is the easy, low

863
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Speaker 3: hanging target. But actually I think my moment of fuckery

864
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Speaker 3: right now is we're gonna go We're gonna go down

865
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Speaker 3: to old Joe Rogan. This. Uh, I'm the great independent

866
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Speaker 3: voice of the media. I'm not one of those people

867
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Speaker 3: that censors myself. And the other day, when he's sitting

868
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 3: with Cash Patel and Cash Patel tells him, by the way,

869
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Speaker 3: Elon says that that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files,

870
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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan immediately sobs and goes.

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Speaker 4: What about Hunter Biden?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Wow, you know, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: The act of independent journalism and fiery pursuit of truth

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Speaker 3: is on the right is some horseshit of the of

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Speaker 3: the highest order.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what my moment of fuckery is?

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Speaker 3: Do tell?

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Speaker 1: It's uh? ABC news, Oh oh Man, and the senior

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Speaker 1: national correspondent Terry Moran is suspended, and he is suspended.

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Speaker 1: By the way, did you see this that maybe they

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Speaker 1: didn't call in the National Guard?

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Speaker 4: No, I have not.

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Speaker 2: The newsom said that he confirmed they called it in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because ABC News is saying they're not. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The point is, but here's Terry Moran.

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Speaker 1: He says. The thing about Stephen Miller is not that

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Speaker 1: he's the brains behind Trump is. Yes, he is one

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Speaker 1: of the people who conceptualizes the impulses of Trump, the

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Speaker 1: trump Is movement, and translated them into policy. But it's

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Speaker 1: not what's interesting about Miller. It's the brain. It's not

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Speaker 1: the brains, it's the bile. And then there's more about

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Speaker 1: him being a world class hater. Somehow Trump World furious

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Speaker 1: about that this. I would like to remind you that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump does stuff ten times worse than this every day.

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Speaker 1: But the idea here is that journalists are not I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's fake out right.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you this is

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Speaker 3: this is so far short of I think what would

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Speaker 3: be a justification for suspending a journalist like Terry, who

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Speaker 3: is a professional, who is not a who is not

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Speaker 3: a not a hack type guy. But again, the Party

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Speaker 3: of free speech is all for free speech until it

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Speaker 3: intrudes on the ego of a certain giant, jiggling, obese

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Speaker 3: lard heap in the Oval Office. I also don't understand

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Speaker 3: the possible motivation of ABC to say themselves, Hey, you

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Speaker 3: don't want to be a great idea, let's comply in advance.

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Speaker 3: Let's give it to Trump before something happens. It just

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Speaker 3: it makes no sense whatsoever, and it gives me right.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. This is not how this should work in

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Speaker 3: a functioning republic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Wilson, See you soon. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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