WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Bernadette Cooper 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Questloft Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.280 So y'all, June is Black Music Month, and every year 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.440 we use this time to acknowledge something that really can't 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:15.200 be overstated. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.240 Black music is one. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:21.720 Of the foundational forces behind modern culture. Now, back when 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.639 Teams Supreme and I were doing the Questlove Supreme and 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.720 now on the Quest Loft Show, we've always tried to 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.400 create a space for those stories. So for the entire 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.120 month of June, we're bringing you an episode every day 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.880 focus on the history, influence, and ongoing evolution of black music. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.080 A team and I dug through the catalog and selected 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.720 episodes that feel especially meaningful for now, conversations that inform, 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.920 entertain and connect the dots between where this music comes 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.240 from where it's headed. Now, alongside those, we'll be releasing 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:59.920 four new episodes of Quest Left Show feature trailblazers and 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.560 innovators and cultural connectors and visionaries who represent the past, present, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:05.919 and future of black music. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.640 I want you to enjoy this. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:22.360 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. What's up? This is Quest 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:23.639 Love and this is. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.039 Another episode of Quest Love Supreme. We got the Team 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.119 Supreme with us right now. The one and only Suka 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.000 Steve yo Yo. How goes it to Oh wow. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.160 Oh you're your shock that I actually care about your 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.520 well being? Yes, but no, I'm feeling good. Everything's good. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.959 So glad to be here with Team Supreme and burn 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.440 gonna be great. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.280 Fan Ticolo North Carolina. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.040 Yeah, man, I'm good brother, oh bit chilly. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.040 Fighting for his uh, his his rights and his masters. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.760 And listen, or as we call. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:05.760 It in the music business, Wednesday, whatever. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.960 I feel you, I feel you, uh and and our 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:18.520 our diva that needs left to uh. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:17.800 That was. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.880 Instead I'm mad we ain't doing no roll call because 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.440 I'm just we were doing right now. I would really 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:27.079 quill this. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.320 I'm just I know, man, we're gonna but by the time, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.240 hopefully someone will invent a system that will, you know, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.640 fix all the latency problems you know for roll call, uh. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:40.280 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:45.040 I will say that, speaking of diva, our guest today 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:51.400 is probably I mean, she's beyond diva, she is beyond queen, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:52.920 she is beyond legend. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:54.520 She just is. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.760 And I'll say that I know it's hard to imagine. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.000 I'm not trying to sound like Grandpa. I noticed that, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.320 like all my tales of music starts with the like 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.480 well back in my day. But you know it's really 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.800 it's really hard to imagine like a like a time 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:15.760 period in which being in a band like wasn't like 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:20.080 a novel idea. And you know, a lot can happen 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.080 in thirty five years. Yes, we're now living in the 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.320 age of the solo act, and you know a lot 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.800 of these acts are chasing perfection. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:30.760 We're pre recorded tracks. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.240 But I mean, there was there was a time in 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.400 history where you know, where collaboration was key. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.800 Magic came and and and. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.440 In numbers, and it was it was a thing to see, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.200 you know, to watch people as a unit kick gas. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.640 And I will say that our guest really personifies that. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.080 You know, the band that she established in the late 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:57.840 seventies known as Climax was pretty much you know, I'll 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.600 say that kind of sort of a nominally consisting of 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.120 badass women playing instruments, which, you know, sad to say 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.160 that again, like the fact that that's a novelty shows 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.120 you like the sad state of where we are right 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.720 now and music. But you know, this particular band, you know, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.400 the hits were a plenty one of the best puns 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:25.280 in music. You know ment all pause, the anthemic don't 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.599 mess with me anthem meeting in the ladies room. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.080 Not to mention because I'm not in the mood. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:35.159 Yeah, and the forever prom anthem from my era on 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.279 this you so many hits, so many hits, the name 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.000 sexy he was need love to and everything. Not to 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.520 mention her work as a producer with Sheeryl Lin, Paul 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.440 Abdul Medler, Shallamar and I can't wait till we start 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.360 talking about Madam X. Madame X is probably the most 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.880 expensive record I ever purchased on eBay. This before I 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:02.600 knew that you can rip songs off of YouTube. Anyway, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.720 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to our show the one 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.640 and only the legendary Diva of all divas, Burnetette Cooper, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.719 The Quest Love Supreme. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.560 Hello, Hello there, Hi christ Yo. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:17.360 I noticed something. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.440 When a microphone is present, I cannot whistle my whistles. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.520 I was trying to whistle when it was just like. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.480 Look like I was like blowing kisses at us. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:35.240 Yeah. Anyway, So the Cooper, how are you today? How's 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:35.600 it going? 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.120 I'm doing Wilson honor, honor to be here with all 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:39.359 of you. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.359 Thank you, what what part of the world are you 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:43.120 in right now? 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.760 Right now? I'm in Westchester right now. My studio is here, not. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.760 That, not your west Chester, my west justin Yea, there's 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:51.920 a west Chester, California. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:52.520 Yes. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.159 I was like, yo, you're down the block. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.559 Okay, I thought I got my studio out here. I'm working. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.000 Told me to say hello the. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.479 Legendary Jerry Brown engineer Jerry Brown. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.600 Yes, yes, is it Christmas in. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.080 His studio right now? That guy's name, he's coming up. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.719 Yeah, he told me you hello. He just actually he 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.080 was here working in my studio. I have a mixing 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.000 room and he just did. He worked on John Legend. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:24.159 Yeah, his Christmas. Yeah. Jerry's world famous for his his 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.600 Christmas decorations in the. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:32.240 Studio, mood lamps and his lights and his candles. And yes, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.839 he brings the sexy he does. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.320 Okay, I've never heard his designs just described as sexy. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.279 Like he always look at the cheerful and like when 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.839 we're there, it's like it's Christmas. I feel like I 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.839 should be, you know, bringing a gift or whatever. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.680 But exactly yeah, you know. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:50.520 Uh. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.320 Of course, being on the show puts us in the 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.719 the position of always having access to a lot of 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.279 the that we grew up, one that we feel that 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.600 haven't been praised enough for, haven't gotten that much attention. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.960 And what was weird is that I work at thirty 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.480 Rockefeller Plaza, which I consider is sort of like a 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.440 university for comedy. That's where like Seth Meyers and The 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.080 Tonight Show with Jimmy fallon Saturday Night Live and all 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:25.600 these these legendary New York shows are shot, and whenever 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.880 Saturday Night Live is in season, I'm usually there to 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.760 watch tapings of the show. And this year was like 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:39.160 really something special in which just out of nowhere, they 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.760 did this really awesome sketch. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.720 Yes, based on the Ladies Room. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.760 I was hoping you were going to where I could follow. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.680 Yes, you know what, it's actually the second one, the 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:51.360 first one. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:57.080 Halle Berry halle Berry right right, Yeah, I totally. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.440 I remember I was laughing because it was so authentic 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.679 and so on point. I was, you know, the audience 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.400 was laughing, but I was laughing like it was funny 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.920 and I knew the reference point, you know, Whereas I 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.120 think half the audience, who was like millennials and gen 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.640 z would just thought like, oh, they're doing some crazy 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.080 eighties thing that we don't get the reference. And I 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:27.840 remember grilling Steve Higgins, who's sort of like Jimmy's sidekick 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.560 on the Tonight Show. He runs Saturday Night Live, and 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.600 I just grilled him like, yo, like, you guys did 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.840 such a deep cut inside joke that like who who 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.160 in your audience do you think we really remember? Like 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.960 climax and the very specifics of like you know, Cecily 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.320 Strong playing the Bernadette Cooper role and Leslie played like 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:49.559 it was. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:50.839 It was so on point. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.760 I was really impressed, and I wanted to meet the 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.920 writers and they were just like, you know, we we 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.480 like music too, and we go outside the box. Even 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.560 though they were young riders. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.240 I was really. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.400 Impressed that that they gave you guys, like really a 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.760 really good shout out for your legacy, Like that sketch 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.440 is gonna go you know down. I feel like that 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.120 will be on their sizzle real way down the line. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.880 Yeah, it was great when I saw it. It was 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.319 you know, you know I watched Saturday Night Live every night, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.160 every Saturday night. Yeah, and to sit there and bed, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.280 you know, you got your popcorn and all of a sudden, bam, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.160 it's like, oh wow, it was great. It was a 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.720 great honor and you didn't. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.800 Know it was coming. That's awesome, isn't it? 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.120 Isn't that good from a license and perspective too, right, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.719 Like when they do something like that burned that it 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:33.960 is a good tho you for real? 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.960 You know sometimes you know, when royalty time comes, you know, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.560 then I would really know sometimes sometimes it is, and 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:44.600 sometimes you know, sometimes it just sparks and I don't 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.480 call them up and go, hey, where's my check? I 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.079 don't do that. I just I just kind of enjoyed 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.320 the moment and and you know, I'm honored. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:52.200 Yeah. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.280 Yeah, I think like when when it's done in parody, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.560 it's not the same as like clearing a sample. Wow, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.560 kind of they're kind of parody laws that, but I 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:07.080 think they actually did meeting in the ladies. Yeah, So 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.640 it's just it's like a standard payment thing. But hopefully 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.679 that will plant seeds with you know, with an audience, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.040 and they'll do the research. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:16.800 And they'll find the record and. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.119 That's how that's how legends are made. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.160 And promoters will will remember that we're here. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.559 Yes, oh wow, I didn't think that. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.200 So many questions about that so I would like to 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.320 know because I really don't you know, besides like the 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.240 occasional coverage and like ride On magazine shout out to 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.560 Cynthia Horner, I really don't know. I mean there's not 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.920 there haven't been that much in depth interviews with you guys, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.480 even though you guys were doing the numbers. You guys 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:54.280 were like doing massive pop hits. So I'm glad that 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.920 we finally have this chance to talk to you. Uh 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.719 you were Were you born in Los Angeles? 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.800 Yes? I was born in Los Angeles, lived in Compton, Inglewood, Hollywood, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.320 grew up in mainly you know, after after high school, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.160 I moved to the Hollywood area and I lived there 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:15.000 in Beechwood Canyon, did all of that, So, yes, Los Angeles. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.640 Then I moved to New York for ten years. Now back. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.160 Yeah, can you tell us? Can you tell me what 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.400 your first musical memory was? 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.839 Wow? When you say musical memory like. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.520 Band that I know just from as a baby, Like 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.000 what like their very first musical memory as a child? 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.600 Of course, you know, Rita Franklin was my was my 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.199 played in my household when there was happy times, when 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.000 they were sad times. So Rita was a person that 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.360 I used to listen to and follow her lyrics and 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.080 her and her vocal movements and her hooks, and and 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.480 it made me a better writer by the Rita Franklin songs. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.480 And then of course was moving on Doo Daddo. Remember 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.920 Dio Daddo. Yeah, yeah, it was a little bit of 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.360 all those guys. Jeff Beck, You know, I really got 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.560 into that scene and kind of in the high school, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:15.800 junior high school era. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.760 But yeah, I would say, what was your what was 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:26.040 the family record collection, like in your household as part 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.240 of what was the what was what was the established 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.559 records that were in your house? But then I want 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.120 to know what was the album that you purchased with 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.280 your own money, Like this is something I want out 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.520 of out of your parents. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.240 Range, Areta Gladys, you know Ray Charles. That was the 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.800 songs that were be being played in my host So 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.400 what I when I went out in about were songs like, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.640 as I said, the Dio Daddo's, the the I got 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.320 really into the I can Tina Turner. I really love them. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.280 You know, it's not really much when I look back, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.640 it kind of I had a range of people that 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.040 I really really loved Michael Henderson. All those kind of 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.679 people are the people I used to come home from 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.280 to high school and listen to. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.120 In your household, were you like, did you have other siblings? 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.400 Like how was this music passed down? Was like older 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.480 cousins or older siblings that put you onto it? 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.880 Or No? I didn't really have a musical household, you know, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.439 other than the songs I just mentioned that were played, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.600 you know, which was ata. I got more into it 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.120 when I was in went the church and then my yeah, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.559 and then as far as playing the drums is concerned, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.440 my mom married the preacher and he had a drum set, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:44.760 and I started practicing every day. Yeah, drama and I 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.280 started practicing every day, and I taught myself how to 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.079 play drums. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.960 Why did drums. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.920 Because they were there? I mean, really, it wasn't. It wasn't. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.839 It wasn't like a passion or love or I want 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.840 to play the drum. They happened to be there, and 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.520 I kind of geared towards it. And my brother started 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.280 playing the bass. That we were together in the garage 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.160 practicing every day, and he probably made me a more 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.400 powerful drummer because he really pushed me, you know, and 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.600 then we played in the church band, and that's my 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.720 early beginning musical life. Then, of course, created a group 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.440 called Blue Ice, which was in junior high school with 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.760 Michael Northfleet. You know Michael Northfield, right, I know this 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.480 name for our listeners. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.320 Can you tell Michael Northlee he's a keyboard player. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.000 Chucky Booker, you know Chuckie Booker, Michael Northfleet. All those 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.360 guys are kind of like that same vibe. So I 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.320 started a band in junior high school called Blue Ice. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.760 Horn section had a guy like like my h, James Brown. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.040 We won all the contests because he was James Brown. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.400 And then we had a girl drummer. Oh no, we 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:54.080 want everything. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.280 So so you were always in those battle bands in. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.000 High school and Jui, yes, yes, and you were always 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.280 diverse bands too, like yes, one of diverse bands. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.640 And then then I took a love in high school, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.600 I started learning how to write because I'm really kind 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.080 of a musician who plays by ear and I create 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.360 by ear and I kind of hear it in my 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.720 head and I play it. And I learned how to 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.960 play read music in high school and that's where the 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.560 early beginnings started. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:33.520 Even back then, did you have a yearning or did 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.560 you feel that there was a need for a band 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.680 of all women, because I think by that point, when 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.800 I was a kid, the only band that I saw 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.560 that had like women playing an equal role in the 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.720 instrumentation I'm in, besides lining the family Stone, which you know, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.280 it is kind of mind blowing for people to see 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.880 like a trumpet player and a keyboard player. But I 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.920 remember growing up watching there was a Philly group called Ecstasy, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.160 Passion and Pain. Yeah, they had they had a drummer 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.520 named Cookie, and I was really impressed, like asking my mom, like, yo, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.960 girls can play drums too, Like did they act like 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.080 there was a novelty or was it just normal? Because 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.120 normally when you think of a drummer, it's always a man. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.080 Behind the skins or whatever. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.080 It's like very unusual for certain instruments to be played 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.760 by women, be it like a trombone or like it's. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.720 Like, yeah, you don't see. But were people making a 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:28.520 big deal of that? 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.320 And did you take advantage of the fact that, And 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.960 did you play any other instruments as well? 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.040 No, And what you just said is the reason why 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.360 it came to mind. But there was a void, you know, 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.480 one day you know, just in my young mind, I said, wow, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.640 there's not a lot of female musicians. I said, it 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.640 would be great to create an all girl band. And 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.360 then watching LaBelle really really I love LaBelle, okay, And 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.800 I watched them and I saw the excitement that everybody 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.480 had when these girls got on stage. You know, I 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.040 one of those kind of people who cry when I 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.520 see things that you're so unusual that, you know, and 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.160 they would they would just move me. And I said, 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.240 one day, it would be great to put together an 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.600 our girl band. And I mean people ask me this 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.159 question all the time. I don't really have an incredible 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.800 answer other than that I think it was meant to be. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.560 And they just kind of came to me. And this 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.320 low young girl who had this idea started checking the 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.480 yellow Pages, remember the Yellow Pages, Yes, and trying to 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:37.080 look for other musicians, calling radio record labels and asking them, Hey, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.440 would you guys be interested in an all girl band? 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.800 You know? And finally one record company said, yes, we 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.479 would be. I have an idea. That's how it started. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.800 Wait a minute, that's how you got into the because 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.760 we have a billion questions about Dick Griffy. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.719 Okay, That's how that started. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.800 No, no, not Dick Griffy yet it's another label. This 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.600 is another label and another lady. It was a lady 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.000 by the name of who was the an R person 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.080 at this particular so it wasn't I forgot the name 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.520 of the record was a sales cell watched radio record label. Anyway, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.679 she was the an R person. She says, come, I 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.879 want to meet with you about this concept that you have. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:23.600 So we met and she says I'm interested. Her and 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.119 I together, she kind of She and the record label 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.879 funded my idea for a while, and I started looking 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.640 for girls through the recycler paper. I started rehearsing these girls, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.080 and I turned the studio in Inglewood, which I have 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:39.960 great stories about it. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.440 Yeah, because I was like them, you was a fan 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:42.239 and then a circle back. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.879 I love it, okay, yeah, yeah, And I turned a 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.919 studio and I started like she she really kind of 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.760 funded this and she, I don't know, she was coming 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.080 up with the money to help me with this idea. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.080 And I said, I have a great name for the band. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.800 She said, let me know what the band is. I said, Climax. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.480 She says, I love it spelled with the k L 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.480 y m A. Actually says I love the whole concept 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.280 of it. And that's how you know, that's how the 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.360 seed was planted. And then from there we went on. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:14.160 You got back up a little bit because also a 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.080 recurring theme on the show our tales from the I 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.320 Turner Studio. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.520 From Charlie about. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:26.800 Bolic studios. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.120 If yes, if you could talk, yeah, what was happening 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:31.920 at that studio? 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.800 You know, I would pipe, he would. He would peek 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.919 in every once in a while after rehearsals. You know, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.200 we weren't that good. You know, we didn't really get 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.679 good too later on in life. But we were playing 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.960 and we were trying, and we were dedicated. So he 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.080 would peep in. And he had a bodyguard at that time. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.679 I forgot the gentleman's name, but he took a liking 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.359 to me the bodyguard, and we became friends. We would 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.760 talk all the time. This is important. I'm going to 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:58.600 get back to that. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.800 We love these stories. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.000 Yeah. The one time that that I finally said, he 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.639 came into the studio and he looked around and he 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.600 looked at me, and then the guy, let's call him Steve. Okay, OK, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.200 not sugar Steve, but she said, let's stee. So he says. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.480 He says, I want you to talk to you. Come in, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.359 and he wants you to into the front studio, because 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.840 you know, the rehearsal studios were on the side of 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.919 the building. So I said okay, and the girls were 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.760 kind of looking at me, and I go, I'll be back, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.640 and I went in and I'm going to tell this story. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.879 We're not gonna We're not gonna mess around here. So 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.800 I went in there and I came and I was 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:41.480 holding his pipe. He was getting high, and he goes, here, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.840 I want you to hit this right. And I go, well, 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.040 I don't do drugs and I don't drink. I don't 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.320 do any of that. He goes, I said, hit it. 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:56.600 Hit this pipe right. Look at that. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:56.800 Mary and Barry. That's how it happened. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.639 Go ahead, and he said hit the pipe. And I 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.000 was like, no, I don't do and he said I said. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:03.520 He got really aggressive with me. 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:04.560 He said no. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.800 He says, you're good. He said you're really good on 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.320 the drums. You're gonna go somewhere and he goes hit 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.480 the pipe, and there's Steve said, man, leave her alone. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.119 She's a good girl. Man leave her alone. And I 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.280 listened to him and he just and Steves took me 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.600 out of there, then me back to the rehearsal studio. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.119 Wow. 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.960 Individuals on that wonder if it was the guy was it? 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.080 Was it fraut in the West love got to do 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:35.080 with the movie. McBride's character Frosts like his guy. I 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:35.800 wonder if it was him. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.160 He was kind of a big guy. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.840 and he saved me that day because I would have 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:48.280 been a different girl today, you know. But yeah, but 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.200 I had to tell the story the way it happened. 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.640 There's no way of sugar coat in that, no. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.560 Niceties like hey, what's your name? And no, no, no no. 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.719 It was just like here hit this hit them. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:21:59.840 Yeah. Well, he gave me a compliment first, he told 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.040 me good, I'm going to be good and all of 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:04.679 this kind of stuff. You know. I guess that was 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.080 the soften me up a little bit. And I was like, no, sir, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:13.440 you know, I was very respectful and I said, I said, no, sir, 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.360 I don't, I don't. I don't do drugs. I don't, 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.080 I don't. I don't want to do that. 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.879 I think I'm because in a twenty twenty one America, 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.000 like I Turner would not have existed with his studio 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.960 it being successful, people going to him being able to 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.480 say that to you, like, oh no, what exists. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:32.800 It's still it's still going on. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:33.360 Yeah. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:37.880 I was going to say, like I'm sad to say that, probably, yes, 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.200 it's still going. 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.199 It's still going on. I mean, look at them. I'm 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.280 just look at all the entertainers who are dying. You know, 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.199 that's true. There's still a culture. There's a drug thing. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.040 It's a drug call. 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.000 We just don't we just don't know it because we 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:52.880 don't we're not in it. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.760 I'm at the misogynistic part of that, that the way 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.200 he approached you and everything that still happens, it still happens. 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.359 I was going to say, how how hard is it 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.600 to be taken seriously in a time in which the 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.800 even the idea of being a musician, a female musician 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:18.919 is such a rarity, Like how are you able to 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.639 be taken seriously where it's just like, nah, I'm not 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:22.280 messing with. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:23.000 Bernard at Cooper. 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.040 You know, well, did you have to. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.800 Invent that character that we know because you have this 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.560 don't mess with me sort of stance with you? 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:34.960 Well, I do have an alter ego you know, and 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.679 that would be my alter ego that the other the 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.560 real Bernie the Cooper is very shy and very I'm 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:43.080 a very close and I'm really kind of like in 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.760 this character. I created this, this other character to get 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.040 me through I guess, you know, as I said, a 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:50.680 lot of this stuff was meant to be. I can't 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.720 really go oh. I created this character because of this, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.439 you know. And it was also a shield that I 0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:01.400 used to deal with a lot of family mental abuse 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.040 and not really sharing in my dream. So I said, Okay, 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.639 I'm going to create this character strong Superwoman because I 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:09.879 got to get make I got to make it to 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.240 the next day, you know. So I created this character, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.879 and this character went on to work. She became the 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.520 Slatin girl, you know, and I and I look good 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.760 all that stuff. It's really about loving yourself. It has 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:24.840 nothing to do with physical appearance. But you have to 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:26.679 be a diva to understand that, you know. 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:28.720 I'm just curious if you believed it at the time 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:29.640 or were you just saying. 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.680 It no, no, no, no. I was saying it from 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.840 another from an inner perspective. I wasn't saying I know 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:37.760 I'm the cute. I was saying it because I had 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:41.840 to find strength and going forward in this world by 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:46.439 myself with my dream. So I created this character and 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.879 to achieve that, you know, and that character is still here. 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:53.520 I'm still very cluse. I'm still a very cluse. 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.280 But they're still working together. The character We. 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.080 Get right tells how the Sasages made, like we. 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:02.199 Exactly. 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:07.040 So, Yeah, I was going to ask, you know, oftentimes, 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:12.320 especially in black households, you know, survival, you know, hooker 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.840 crook his job one, that's what parents think, like get 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:16.760 something to fall back on. 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.240 Yeah, get a good paying job, that sort of thing. 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.760 Like, we're well, you kind of answered it, But what 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.800 was your family's feelings on you pursuing this dream or 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.000 was it like like you got to the age of 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.400 nineteen to make it or else, you know, you got 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.360 to work at the post office? Like did they give 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.280 you ultimatums or were they quasi nurturing. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.840 You know, or were they church people? 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.600 They it was a little bit of all of the 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:50.840 bottom line is that they weren't feeling it. Nobody and 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.200 you know, I was. My plan was to go to 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:57.520 law school and become an attorney and to do that, 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.119 and they were kind of like all behind me a 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.520 car and took care of me and all that stuff. 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.919 But one day, sitting in my accounting class, which was 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.040 an elective that I had to take, which I was 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.600 sitting there looking at my teacher like, I don't want 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.000 to be here anymore. I want to play the drums. 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.160 I want to be in a band. I'm never coming 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.240 back again. So I got up and I left in 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.240 my class, and I said, that's when I began my 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.080 search for the all girl band. 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:26.240 My family was not. 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.119 Yeah, there was called well you know what it was. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.760 You have to understand that I was an honest student. 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.760 So I got out of high school fast. Yeah. 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.720 Yeah, So I was kind of which high school did 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:39.119 you go to? 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.959 I went to Compton and Inglewood High School. I graduated 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.760 from Inglewood High School. I went to Compton my what 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.480 ninth and tenth my tenth and eleventh grade, and then 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.080 I graduated. My mother moved to Inglewood, and I graduated 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:52.840 from Inglewood. 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.320 Okay, so I gotta know what you know when most 0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:02.679 of us here, especially that's not on California natives here 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.520 about Compton, of course, we start just thinking the legend 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:10.800 of whatever n w A was painting about what Compton 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:12.960 represented until them. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:18.000 Patris Patrius Russian patrist Russian Glass. Yeah, yeah, she was, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.159 she was. She actually was a lot, but she was 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.679 and then tasted funny. They were out during that time. 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.000 They were out during that time, So that probably influenced 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.359 me a little bit too as far as the girl 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:31.480 concept as well. 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:37.359 Okay, but what what was your high school like in like? 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.560 Was it nurturing environment? Was it more Jill Clark lean 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:42.919 on me dangerous? 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.919 You know, I have to say this, and you know 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.560 I was a tar baby, a tar baby, right, that 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:55.399 was the the the logo was the tar baby. But 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.439 those are the most wonderful years of my life in 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.920 Compton High School with the most wonderful Yeah. And that's 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:05.760 when the gang started shooting finally, that started when I 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.640 was in school. That started happening, the shooting and then 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.400 and and what was in the shooting and what kind 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:16.280 of drugs was in then? Uh? Good, no, no, no, no, 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.040 the one before that people, no, no, no no, it 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:26.160 was angel du started. Everybody was. That's how I got 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.560 into the That's when I got into the music class. 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.240 That's where I started meeting new friends. That's where I 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.720 felt love. Nobody had nothing, So nobody wasn't trying to 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.760 act like they had nothing, you know. So that was 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.200 a wonderful place to me for me, and then my 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.320 mother moved to Inglewood and I was kind of all alone, 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:46.840 you know, all alone. I didn't really you know, so 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.400 I graduated from high school early and I was able to, 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:51.800 you know, go to college. 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.080 You're not being from California, you realize how far those 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.280 two places are. You don't realize how far those two 0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.480 places are from each other. What Inglewood and Compton just 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:05.240 as culturally, it just seemed like yes culture, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.160 I think to an outsider though, like I would think 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.920 that those schools were more closer to Jill Clark's Lean 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.400 on Me where you might not live the end of 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:17.080 the school day. 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:18.720 But was it that dire or. 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.440 Is that no that during that time, it wasn't that dire. 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.560 It was pre she pre that. I mean remember, and 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.160 it's funny if you watch I don't know if y'all want, 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.480 when you watch them, that was them, right. They came 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.360 out over the COVID where they showed Compton before Burnard 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.560 death generation when it was like white folks, yeah, just 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.160 straight suburbs. 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.680 Know, it was. It was cool. You know, I think 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.400 I think there was one gunshot next freaked everybody out. 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.560 That's why my mother moved to Inglewood. And yeah, it 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.640 just drugs angeled us. That's pretty much it. And the 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.240 rest of it was like a great experience for me. 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.000 I had friends. You know, you're talking about a loaner 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:56.920 who made friends. 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.120 You know, I lived in Compton for one year as 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.080 a baby, but you know, I don't have any memories 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.120 as a two year older. But I do have a 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.120 photo of me at a CRYPT meeting because all my cousins, 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.200 so I had a bandana and a Derby on. 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.560 You could have been I could have been you know, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:15.840 no I was. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.160 I was you know, they were trying to crip me up. Yeah, 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:27.640 brought me to the meetings. Can you tell me what 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.640 the audition process or at least what were you looking 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:36.800 for in the audition process that basically brought like Joyce 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:41.800 and Lynn, Lorena and Sheryl and uh well, Robin Robin. 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.160 There were a lot of different versions of climax. Before 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.040 I got to thank you for saying. 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.760 This, Yeah, I was going to say, I think there 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.280 were seven women on the down with the hot air 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:53.200 Balloon the first one. 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:57.320 Even before that, and I was I was still in 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:01.640 the narrowing down process. Yeah, yeah, I mean even when 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.080 we you know, before climax, all the climax. It was 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.520 I was smart enough to know, and I don't know 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.440 how I got this knowledge that the girls had to 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.440 be certain kind of girls in order for Radio Disjot 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.360 with the DJs to play our music. Right, So I 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.240 was looking for sexy, I was looking for femininity. I 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.360 was looking for girls who can play now, you know. 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.040 And we had a camaraderie, so you know. First it 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.520 was Cooley, who I found from another band and she 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.040 was playing with a band with her boyfriend, and I 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.560 talked to her and to joining us. And then it 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.880 was Lynn Marsby. They came, a lot of them came. 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.600 It was a paper called the Recycler where you could 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.880 put an ad in for twenty five dollars or however much, 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.120 and then people would respond to and call, hey, I 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.480 play guitar, you know. Then we had Jeanie Cunningham was 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.479 the first guitar player. Then came show Coolly actually, and 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.240 then how we arrived at the climax that we are 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:03.720 now show on first and then it came Lynn came 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.080 into an audition. I believe she came in from the 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:11.920 Recycler paper. Then there were a couple other girls in 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.400 the group who I knew from Compton, who I eventually, 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.400 how can I say, I eventually let them go and 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.160 I found new girls. Joyce Soby didn't come into the 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.440 group until after our first album, and we had a 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.880 contract style we already had a recording deal when she 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.120 came into the group. Because I I fired the bass player. 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.000 Now why I fired the bass player, I can't exactly 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.680 remember the reason. It was a conga player and a 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.920 bass player. Got rid of them because for some reason 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.640 or another. And mister Griffy came to me. He goes on, 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.920 this was after you guys want to get to that point. 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.080 No, no, we take your time, take. 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:52.000 Time, stories stories you never told before. 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.480 So yeah, I mean mister Griffy. You know me and 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.440 mister Griffy. Ah, I loved him. He was a wonderful, 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.080 wonderful gentleman. And I mean, yeah, I mean to me, 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.960 I don't know anybody else's experience, but he gave me 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.920 my first opportunity as a writer a producer, and you know, 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.360 without him, I would not be talking to Puesla. Okay, 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:17.160 bottom line, bottom line, okay. This man would not only that, 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.160 he would take us out to dinner and teach us 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:23.680 about wine and my first taste at escargo. He was 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.240 a wonderful guy. He would call me up and talk 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.800 to me about the band. He was a wonderful guy. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:30.960 And he called me up. He goes, you know, why'd 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.640 you fire the bass player? I really loved the bass 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.160 I thought the bass player was cool. And I go, well, 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.320 because for this reason, He goes, well, we gonna do now. 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.120 So we talked about it, and he said, hey, I 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.880 remember this girl uh In Fayevielle, North Carolina, who keeps 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.480 you know, kept giving me yeah, who kept giving me 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.800 a tape, who kept giving me a tape and all 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.000 these things. And I go. He goes, I'm going to 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.680 bring her out here, and I want you to let 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.040 me know what you think. So I said, okay. He 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.680 brought her out. She seemed cool. Everything was good. You know, 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.960 she at the base, she came to rehearsal. She was 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.960 a nice girl. Everything was cool. He says, what do 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.480 you think. I said, can we just try her out 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.560 for a little while? He goes, no, we need to 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.399 move forward. We got a contract, I can't. We got 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.120 to get somebody stable in the group. So that's how 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.400 Joyce Sophi got signed. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:21.800 All right, yeah, yes, sir. Did you know that Fronte? 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.640 Oh yeah, oh yeah. When I was a kid. 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:25.759 Now, when I was a kid, I mean, I. 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:26.800 Don't know her from Faitville. 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.279 I was like five, but yeah, but I remember like 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.879 all the stations around the station we used to listen 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:36.040 to when I lived with my grandparents back in Robinson County. 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.040 They would always like when they played Climax joints, they 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:40.319 would shout out Joyce and they was like. 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:45.560 Shout out yeah, yeah, she got mad love. Oh yeah. 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.400 Then and then Lorena came in one day from a rehearsal. 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:50.919 She was on her way to by word of mouth, 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.040 someone said, hey, they're looking for a lead vocalist. She 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.920 came in and blew me away and she got hired. 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:58.920 She got hired on the spot, and she became the 0:34:59.000 --> 0:34:59.920 voice of Climax. 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:02.680 Is it always okay? Now? 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:05.200 I mentioned that you you know, you said you fired 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.000 the bass player. But because it's such a rare, it's 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.760 such as rare to get. 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.520 Fired is such a harsh word let's just say it 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.440 didn't blend in with the concept. Okay, so I fired it. 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.520 But I was there always a concern or fear that 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.680 if you let a member go, the amount of work 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.640 that you got to put in to find someone that 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.319 really fits a very specific criteria that will make the 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.080 band work. Like, is that always concerned? 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.520 We were young. I was young. I didn't you didn't 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.920 think about those kinds of things when you're young. But 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:45.160 you know, I just I don't know, I wasn't thinking 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:49.319 about that. It's just the concept. It just wasn't blending in. Uh, 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.920 And I didn't think about it. I just was like, 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.480 it's not working. And then mister Griffy was like, well, 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.480 what are we going to do now? You know? And 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:57.279 we figured it out. 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.719 Did you start to develop your own band rule as 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:01.040 you call? 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:08.040 Oh we had rules, Yes, we had rules. You guys 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.160 are asking me, I gotta think way back. I mean, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.920 you know, it's just like you know, you know X 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.239 amount of dollars and fifty two dollars five dollars if 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.520 you get the band rehearsal late, you know, you know, 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.319 you know, you're fine, We're fine, you know, you know 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:28.640 we this is pre Joyce, because that's another you know, 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:35.840 the original band, which was Lorena Show, Cooley, Lynn Mars, 0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:40.520 Robin Grider and myself, we struggled. We were such a unit. 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.120 We were so dedicated in the vision and trying to 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.640 achieve this recording deal. You know, we we starved. I 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:53.439 was kissing the uh the the rehearsal studio owner, trying 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.319 to get more studio time. We were doing whatever we 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:57.560 needed to do to. 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:05.680 These lyrics. Okay here, yes, just just a kiss and 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:05.960 get you. 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:12.040 More, all right, kid, a kiss, got his two hours. 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:18.360 And that. 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:21.719 Okay, I get it. 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.479 Those were they were really picks. They were that. Yeah, 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.440 he was the older handsome guy, mister Cooper, mister Cooper, 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.520 and you know, uh yeah. I don't know how that evolved. 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.560 I don't know how that happened. One day he just 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.879 said hey, you know, and I was like, okay, can 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.000 we get some studio time? 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.640 He was sometimes you got what you got? 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:50.719 Two pecks? Got his four hours? 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:58.200 Okay, wait, you you mentioned uh the legendary uh. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:05.880 President Solarick Griffy. Yes, can you can you describe? Because 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:06.919 I also know that. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.480 Those nightclubs, like the Total Experienced nightclubs and all those 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.120 spots that are on Crenshaw was rather legendary for a 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:22.120 lot of those developing acts. Could you basically describe what 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:28.280 like black LA nightlife was as far as like seeing 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.440 bands and interacting with other bands and just in general, 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.640 like I came up in a time my time period 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.960 of La, pretty much the center of all the action 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:44.600 was in West Hollywood on Sunset which I was told 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.399 that was never happening like before, like nineteen ninety five 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.719 where you had to go. So if you're if it 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.760 is nineteen eighty one eighty two, where am I going 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.719 to see like the bands I like? 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:02.560 And where y'all hanging at? You're not on Sunset Boulevard? 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.799 Like were they open to black people then back then? 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.600 Or I'm sitting here trying to search the name of 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.840 this club that was in Compton. It was a club 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.480 that Easy and the nperformed in and they showed it 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:21.120 on their movie in the beginning. Yeah, I can't remember 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.640 the name of that club, but you know, I popped 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.160 in here and there. There wasn't any particular clubs, I 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.920 think the Roxy. Every once in a while you'll get 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.400 a good deal a band happening in like in West Hollywood, 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.080 let me think. I'm trying to think where did we go? 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.000 But were you part of the Total experience that club? 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.239 Or where was that like more of a seventies mid 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:42.879 seventies thing. 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.080 It was the seventies and eighties. But I was just 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.279 kind of like, you know, into my my thing. I 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.160 didn't really do a going a lot of going, which 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.360 I did go to the Total Experience. I saw, you know, 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.840 I saw the dramatics. I saw the dramatics. Wow experience. Yeah. 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.640 And then and how big is that nightclub? 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.319 It was? It was a nice size, maybe about five 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:03.000 hundred people. 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.080 So established acts? Was that the House of the Blues, 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.879 House of the Blues? Was that sort of the House 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.399 of Blues of its day? 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:11.480 Yes? It was? 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.240 Okay, so no act was too big or too small. 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.200 You can see riffs and Chaka Khan at the. 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.839 Total Spirits and then Maverick Flats, Okay, remember that. Yeah, 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:22.680 people used to go there dance. Every once in a 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.800 while there will be a band or two, you know. Yeah, 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.400 and then you know, you went to the Forum, and 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.480 then you went to the the all the what was 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.960 it the San Diego Jazz Festival? That was? That was 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:39.160 the thing I used to enjoy going to I'm seeing. 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.279 How did the deal with so our Records come to be? 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:48.319 How did you get the attention of Griffy? A? 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.640 We did a we did a demo and the demo 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.719 was sent to many record labels and one of the 0:40:54.760 --> 0:41:03.360 labels was so Lark Records. And the lady there, Margaret Nash. 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.840 Margaret Nish got ahold of the demo, went to mister Griffy. 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:11.239 She was, what's the guy I can see? I can 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:17.640 see cleanin now. She was Johnny Nash's ex wife. Okay, 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.720 she worked at Solar. So she went to Dick Griffy 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.239 and said, hey, you gotta you gotta hear about these girls. 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.440 You gotta see these girls. You know, you got to 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.960 check it out. She came down to rehearsals, saw us, 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.080 went back and told Dick griff me. Next thing we know, 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.160 Dick Griffy was walking into rehearsals. 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:32.959 I see. 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.560 He walked in and he said he looked, he saw 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:41.000 we were playing. Oh, there's freaky good. He looked at us, 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.960 he was smiling. He left and he says, uh. Before 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.400 he left, he says, I'm going to sign your go 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.279 for a record deal. That's it. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.960 Yeah, you were fine with that, Like, so I seemed 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:54.120 like a logical spot. 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:58.319 For you to Yeah, no one else was asking, you know, 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.319 and it was the first thing. And that's what our 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.880 attorney said, Hey, not the best still in the world. 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.600 What other deal do you have? You know, you get in, 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.760 you make it happen, which is the famous Ryan Sweeney. 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:13.040 You get in, you make it Happenn Sweeney was your lawyer. Yes, 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:14.320 we were his first clients. 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.240 What yeah, yeah, legendary wyn Sweeney. 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.480 Okay, legendary wyn Sweeney. And he said, what else do 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.520 you have? He said, you get in, you get a 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.640 hit record, and you make changes. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.239 When that happens, you get to renegotiate. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:33.279 Then was it easy to renegotiate with Griffin once we 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:33.719 got a hit? 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:38.960 Yeah, I mean, I just not not that I'm fishing 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:43.040 for stories, but it's just just like, depending on who 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.799 comes on our show, I have there's various degrees of 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.680 Dick Griffy's stories, and. 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:49.680 She says she got stories. 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.920 I guess I could say that I'm led to believe 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:58.120 that he was sort of like the the proto Sugar 0:42:58.239 --> 0:42:59.120 night of his day. 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.240 No, he groomed sugar. 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.480 Sugar was his bodyguard. That's how I met sur Night. 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.360 Sug used to be dig Griffy's bodyguard, and no, listen, 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.440 you know, listen. I don't know if anyone else's experienced, 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.359 you know, with mister Griffy. I can just tell you 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.040 that he was kind to me and he was kind 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.480 to us, you know. I mean, did we get this 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.200 or that? I don't I'm not quite sure. But he he, 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.320 he was there. We were at every meeting. We talked 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.680 about things, we discussed them in all palls, and we 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.680 did it. He didn't want to do it at first, 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.160 you know, he said, I'm not doing no song about 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:37.640 mental pause and then. 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.400 The Lord he gets real complicated. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.960 Yes, my mom too thought you guys were thinking about menopause. 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:46.319 So did he? 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.560 That was like, do you not know what a pun is? People? 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.759 Particularly? So did he? We broke it down and I 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.640 was saying, no, it's the men all paused. When I 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.880 walked into the room, he started smiling. Next thing, you 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:00.760 know that the record is on the album. 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:02.920 I see when did the. 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.319 In the beginning and it became our first hit. We 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.600 didn't even know it because by that time, you know, 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.880 there was a couple failed albums. We were trying to 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.000 figure out what we were going to do with the 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.839 next phase of our life. You know, we were telling 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:18.720 I'm going to go back. 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.880 To school, go ahead, Can I wait? 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.359 I don't want to glide by this two records because 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.919 it's two portant. Well one important factor with you guys 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.560 working with Jimmy and Terry. But what I want to 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:32.840 know is, you know, of the acts that were on 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:40.160 the label, between Lakeside and Midnight Star Carrie Lucas, the 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:45.640 Whispers and whatnot, they like the common the common factor 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.960 or the common denominator of most of those acts that 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:54.400 were hip makers of Solar was the production of Leon Silvers. 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.880 Yes, and I was shocked. 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:00.840 I came aboard on meeting in the ladies room, and 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:02.759 then eventually I found out that you guys had two 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.080 other records, and then I went and brought those and 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.560 you know, I saw like Otis Stokes and you know, 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:13.160 the cats from from Lakeside, and I always wanted to know, like, 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:17.520 why didn't you guys work with Leon Silvers who was 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.319 clearly giving everyone out, you know, handing out hits like hotcakes. 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.360 At the time, Leon didn't want to work with us, 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.520 and it could be because he was so busy, you know, 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:34.760 or he didn't really express an interest in working with us. 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:36.879 You know, did you guys ask him. 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.720 I'm sure something, probably, I'm not quite sure. I didn't 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.160 ask them. You know, I don't know if I'm sure 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.560 I asked them. You know, I don't think he you know, 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:48.640 we passed him every day and we saw him in 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.520 the studio. He didn't really have an express an interest 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.359 in wanting to work with us. So he brought in 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:58.759 Otis Stokes, which was like working with Otis and then 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.719 was cool, but it just wasn't the direction that we 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.879 wanted to go in. We were more independent. We were 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.319 young girls, but we were like really independent and fun. Oh. 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:09.640 We just kind of wanted to put us in a 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.720 box of you know, of your typical I'm your woman 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.960 and you're my man, and I'll do whatever you want 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:17.920 me to do kind of thing, right, and we were like, 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.239 now we don't really know. I'm not doing that. I'm 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.799 not going to do that. So, you know, it took 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.520 us a while. Didn't take us. It took us. We 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.000 had to get with Jimmy and Terry to find a voice. 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:30.960 That's when we found our voice. 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:35.480 They encouraged that, so can you describe what working with 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:39.320 Jimmy and Terry, you know, and like for the second album, 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.720 the Girls will Be Girls record. It's really like great 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.080 songs on there that just never really got the push, and. 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.520 I'm kind of glad. I'm kind of glad because it 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:53.880 wasn't us, you know. Yeah, yeah, well you know up 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:58.520 into Jimmy. Do you have more Jimmy and Terry? Yes, yeah, no, 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.600 they came in with they didn't do girls were good. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.399 There was there was ODIs Stokes. 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.680 Well, I meant the album. I know that they. 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:12.920 Jimmy. Yeah, okay, that's when they came in and they 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:17.399 came in. They were sneaking away from fence and they 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.640 were like, you know, it was all they were up 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:21.319 doing some We were the first band that I think 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.839 they worked with, either us, the S O S band. 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:25.800 I really don't remember. 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:27.200 Yes, we're technically first. 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.239 Yeah, we were in the room when Prince called and 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.759 fire them. Found out that they were working with us. He 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:35.879 called them up and they came out the room. They said, 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:39.360 we just got fired. Well I guess we can start 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:44.239 our new career now, you know. But that's yes, yes 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.880 and no. Hey, it was wonderful. It was like a 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.359 breath of fresh air, because here are these guys who 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:55.000 praised mistakes. Okay, no, no, we're going to keep that. 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.960 It's a mistake. We're going to keep it, you know. 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:01.240 And I was the one who was always writing songs, 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.359 and they fell in love with all my songs. They 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.640 were like, let's do burning that Cooper songs, you know, 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.400 telling Dick, you should be doing these songs. These are 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.520 the songs you should be doing. Because all of that, 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.759 I know I'm looking good. That's the way we used 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:14.920 to talk on a daily base. I walk into the studio, 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:19.080 I know I'm looking good, you know. And they wanted 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.440 to put all of that onto tape. And that's what 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:24.640 they started doing. They were taking a lot of my 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.719 songs and putting on the tape and encouraging us to 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.399 write the things that we really feel and we really love. 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:33.160 So that's what they did. 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.719 That's good. So when we got introduced to y'all, we 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.719 was getting introduced to y'all for real. Everybody else who 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:38.080 thought they. 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.840 Knew y'all when Networker came out with meeting in the ladies' 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.439 room in the mental pause, I mean, because we kind 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.600 of went to school with wild girls, that was I mean, 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:53.480 that was Terry Lewis. That was them kind of experimenting 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:56.440 with us, trying to help us find our sound, and 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.799 they got it. It just didn't hit, that's all, you know. 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.680 But by the time they moved on and Jick was 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.600 he was he was available, his ears were available at 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.520 that time to listen to the things that we really 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.320 had because Ellie, Jimmy I hit keeps down on and 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.319 bevery face. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis encouraged him to 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.680 open his ears and listen to the tracks that I 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.920 was writing and the other girls were writing, and he 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.200 was open to us, so we were giving him. He 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.520 just kind of gave us free rain. You guys go 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:32.960 do this album yourself. By that time, were you. 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.600 There for the infamous Uh? 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:38.719 Jam tells the story about the I asked about a 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.279 certain engineer that they had to fire because of them 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:46.080 destroying the Heartbreaker song. 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:50.359 There it was like a punch in doing the mixdown. Uh. 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:54.279 The engineer had a race like one of them, I'm 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:58.200 such a mess thing and then they just fell down 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.719 a rabbit hole of trying to fix the edit that 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.120 was previously erased. 0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:04.000 No, I don't remember that. 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.040 Okay, you never knew that story. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.279 I wrote the song and I was there, but I 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:09.480 don't remember that story. 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.959 Oh okay, Yeah, basically, like one of the I'm such 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:18.279 a Mess lines Heartbreak, I'm such a mess on the 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:24.640 Heartbreaker song, the engineer was trying to punch in make 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:30.320 an edit and accidentally erase some of the background. Yeah 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:34.560 and yeah, jam I was asking about like a time 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:38.440 when things went awry, and he just talked about accidentally 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.680 erasing like some of the background vocals on Heartbreaker and 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:43.799 them trying to fix it. 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.040 That's a possibility. 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.399 Yeah, Well they fired the engineer, and I guess they 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:50.960 kept that from you guys, so now. 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.840 You know forty years later. Sorry. 0:50:54.640 --> 0:51:00.279 But with with meeting in the Ladies Room, well, first 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.480 of all, just as the band Dynamics one, how did 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:08.279 you whittle it down to the six members that we 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.400 got to know on meeting in the Ladies. 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:16.400 Room through you know, being in the band. You have 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.520 the girls and certain things happened. I think they were 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.759 went down from it was eight and then it went 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:24.719 down to six, and that's the group that you know. 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:24.960 Now. 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.839 There were two other members. I can't remember why they 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.600 left the group, but why they weren't involved in the 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.400 group anymore, but it was a decision that was made 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.080 and then we were left with the six core members 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.080 of the group. And I think that was the reason 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.400 for our success. So I think it would have been 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.840 successful with those other two members or any other members. 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.520 Now I think it was these are the ones that 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:48.440 we're meant. 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.920 To be, so move forward, did you so, do you 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:54.560 remember the rules from that point? They kept y'all together, 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.399 They kept you from having like petty arguments, They kept 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.160 y'all from some of the things. 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:00.960 That other groups or howard decisions made. 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.480 Yeah, well, you know, well, you know, it became that 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.840 group thing where you know, the vote, the whole group vote, 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.640 which you know, which was very stifling you know to 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.440 me at points. 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:13.399 You know, because it's your group. 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.520 Not so well, I just had more forward ideas, and 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.160 I sometimes you know, when you have an idea, you 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.960 see things and people don't don't see it. Then you 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.879 got everybody kind of raised in their hand, and that's 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.480 very stifling for a creative person, you know. So it 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:31.800 was a majority rules. 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.200 That's interesting as you had the same hand as everybody else, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.640 because even I mean I even think I guess that 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.520 in the roots, like a mere hand in a turikan 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:41.160 is different than other hands. 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.600 Right, Like, but was it? 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.239 But that's why I'm asking, was it a real democracy 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:48.920 or was it like the idea of a democracy? 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:53.200 It was, okay, let's say this. It was all good. 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.360 And then when Joyce came in the group, a little 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:59.560 bit of a power struggle started because for whatever reason 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.080 she you know, she came from a military base and 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:06.000 she you know, so that's when things kind of started changing. 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:10.520 From the group that we had that was all for one, 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.600 one for all. Things started, like everything became a vote 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:20.200 because the the vision, the vision had gotten interruption, I interrupted, 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.399 very good. 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.360 So would you say that Joyce was sort of the 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:29.719 because she was the last member to join, kind of 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:33.920 the outsider in a situation where there was already an 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:35.319 established rapport with. 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:36.080 The five of you. 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.680 Yes, and she definitely had her own way of seeing things, 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:40.480 you know, which is not. 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.080 Bad in her own opinions. 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.040 Yeah, And that was right. 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.399 And I was always you know, you know, one for all. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.640 We hadn't even got to a point of an ego yet, 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.399 you know, we were we were I was about, hey, 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.239 whatever's good for the group, you know, That's how I 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.080 lost control of the name because, you know, Joyce came 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:02.040 and said, like, I think we should all be a 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.120 part of the name of the group, and I was like, sure, 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.839 no problem. I wasn't you know, I wasn't savvy. I 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.480 wasn't savvy, and I was just kind of like, well, 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.839 the band, we're gonna be together, We're gonna make things work. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.400 And that's why the name is so out of control. 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.719 You know, right now, I wish I would have known 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.640 better and had trademarked that. 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:25.000 You know, So, could you tell me how your personal 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:31.640 life changed. Let's let's let's say too, Let's say three 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:35.640 months after Men All Pause comes out. Oh my goodness, 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:36.400 where you guys? 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:40.479 Were the songs on the radio killing it and you're 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.960 on you know, the videos being played everywhere. 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:44.799 And because I don't even know where Men on Pause 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.440 across from meeting in a lady's room, they kind of 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:47.160 just they. 0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:52.040 Listen, listen. We were preparing to go back to school. Loreena, 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.719 you know, she's always wanted to be married. Everybody was 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:58.719 playing in their life because we mister Griffin, you know, 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.480 he stuck with us through all those Felt albums. We 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.879 were all in the car following each other. I don't 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.200 know where we were going, but I think there were 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.920 two cars one two, or maybe we were all in 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:14.080 the same car. Mental Pause came on over the Christmas holidays. 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.680 You know how everybody goes on break during the Christmas holidays. 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:21.960 After that Christmas holiday Mental Pause, the Mental Pause was 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.480 ahead and the record coup. He says, you guys got 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.120 to hit record. DJ's were playing it, they were going crazy, 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:33.000 and that's when our lives went on. Things changed drastically. 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.480 First video, that was the first video. I mean, we 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.480 did the Mental Pause first video. Then after the Mental 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.640 Pause came meeting in the Ladies grool, right, and with 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:47.440 with Louis Silence, put me into the studio and with 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.960 tave Mo and we remixed the Leader, and that's when 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:52.960 I added the you know, I had to leave my 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.279 condo to come to this, you know, that's when I 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:59.160 added that, Yeah, we did. That was the remix version 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:00.279 that became the big. 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.400 Even though it was a little bit. I mean, I 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:09.960 was twelve thirteen, and again, like there weren't many in 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:13.279 depth interviews with you guys back then, I'm certain that 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.920 there had to been comparisons like, oh, you guys are 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.320 like a female time, and you're kind of like a 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:21.680 mar state. Was that bothersome to you. 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.919 Or not at all? And Terry used to always call 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.719 me they used to compare me because my personality was 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.480 such like a Morris. Okay. They used to call me 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:34.560 burn the day, you know. Yeah, And they wanted to 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.120 write things by character because I didn't really know much 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.480 about the time, you know, they were just doing it 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.680 the first time I heard seven seven ninety three eleven 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.200 in the studio, you know, and I didn't really know much, 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.160 so I couldn't really pattern myself after him. But after 0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:52.160 after seeing his character and how much we favored there's 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.800 so many ways. It was like, that's what the answer 0:56:55.239 --> 0:57:04.400 of when Jiggilos need love to I wrote, yeah, divas, Yeah, right, 0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:06.760 divas came from an asker that was like an answer. 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.200 You know. I'm in the process right now. I'm working 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.480 on the song, hoping to get Morris on it. I 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:15.080 just I just think that would be such a great concept. 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:18.600 He and I have talked to please call him and 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.040 tell him. He and I have talked about it. I've 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:24.160 sent them tracks and he's like, man, okay, I called 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.760 him up, Morris Morris, So I have this track that 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.240 I'm working on right now that I'm going to send 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:33.760 to him, because I just think it's beyond beyond. It's 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:37.480 beyond just a song. It's about being entertained and how 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:41.480 the public would love that. Yes, a personality from a 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:45.400 girl band and the girl band and the time. Yeah, 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.640 that's great. We're opening up the ground is. 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.120 With that, miss, But I want to ask what you 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.240 say you're working on tracks? What equipment and like software 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:54.880 are you using now to work on your music? 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:59.120 You know, I'm protus and I write on the NPC 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:04.160 X Okay, yeah, yeah, because I'm in the PC sixty 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:08.280 n PC. You know, two thousand, two thousand XS. I 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.560 know the NPC, So I grabed X because there's so 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.640 much you could do with it, and I could travel 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.680 with you do vocals on another even though I haven't 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.960 even used half of it. So I write a lot 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:19.720 of my tracks, which I don't really like to write 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:24.600 tracks that much anymore because I'm lazy and I'm always 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:28.520 questioning if the right snare or if if it's gonna 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:33.240 sound right. So I focus more now on lyrics and 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.760 melodies and content and vibe. You know, I just did 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:37.840 something with old slape. 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:40.960 Oh wow, Okay, yeah, yeah. 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.040 I call believe in US. I dropped it if dropped 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.760 it in on the UK, and I'm focusing on that. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:47.520 So I'm thinking a lot of tracks from people that 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:50.360 I know or old things that I have. But right now, 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:52.840 actually the track that I'm working on is an old 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.360 Sonati track, but I rearranged it, you know, so that 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.440 it would fit me in more. So I'm working on 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.120 concept now. I just think that would be such an 0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:02.200 entertainment thing. 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:03.400 It's gonna happen. 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:07.560 I love man, that's so Dopeyeh, you worked together. 0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:12.280 Something. 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:19.760 What why did you guys pivot to Constellation mc A, 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:25.040 Like were you still technically under the umbrella of Solar 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:29.360 or like what did you officially leave Solar to go 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:30.520 to Los Alas and. 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.600 MC it like was no Solo Records did a distribution 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:34.280 deal with them? 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:36.800 Okay, I never knew the story. 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.600 Of yeah, Solar, we're on Solar and Solar did the change. 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.040 We didn't make the change. We kind of got over 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.640 there cause Solar. You know, once the success of meeting 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.280 in the Ladies Room and climax became this big Oh 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:50.280 my god, after I miss you, it was over Lynn 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.920 Massby wrote that, by the way, you know, that's the 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:56.760 biggest climax song ever. Yeah, that was That's a big 0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:01.960 that's a huge that's on music baby. Okay, yeah, so 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.120 she you know, they wanted us. So Dick did a deal, 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:10.240 you know, and we went over to our constellation. Constellation 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:14.120 was his deal that he made via I guess a distribution. 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:18.120 Okay, yeah, I didn't know, so he owned that. 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:22.360 I was just going to ask you drop two names, 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.160 and I wanted to know when you circle back and 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.120 finally met them, what was it like. And that was 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.240 Morris Day and Patrice Russian. 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.240 Patrice was just a high and by and I admire you. 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.240 It wasn't a deep conversation like Tina, me and Tina 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:40.120 and Okay, yes, a lot of stories. So more Sometimes 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:41.520 you have to bear with me because I gotta think. 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:47.480 I gotta but Moreri's Day. You know. I see Morris Day. 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.240 We do. We do a lot of touring together. I 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.520 see him in and out. And the last time I 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:54.800 saw him, we were in we were in Florida and 1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:55.920 I went up to my I said, we got to 1:00:55.960 --> 1:00:58.040 do a song together, Morris, I said, we got to 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:00.440 do it for the people that would be such a intertain. 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:04.320 I'm cool, send me tracks, all right. So I sent 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:07.040 him a couple of tracks. He was like, man, you know, 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:09.440 but this one's really hot. And even if it's not 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:12.120 this one, somebody got to give us a track and 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.040 we got to do a thing together because that could 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:15.800 be such a great. 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:19.200 Interdis have to do this, they do. I was gonna 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:20.880 say that there must be a. 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:24.800 Four minute monologue at the end with you trying to 1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:25.440 each other. 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.960 You know what. That's that's the song that I'm writing. 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:29.920 So you know, we'll see how it comes up. I'm 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:33.720 gonna have to reach out to jam and Lewis and 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:36.840 let them kind of hear this and maybe somehow, if 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:38.520 it's not this, they can come up with something. We 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:38.920 got to do. 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:40.000 Let us manifest this. 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.280 Yes, I'm going to leave it up to you quest 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.960 to make that happen that the. 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:48.360 People want it. I want that. I definitely want that. 1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:51.080 Yes, that would be so, And I envisioned it. I 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.440 envisioned it with the girl band and that's on one 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:57.120 stage and time when we bottle it. Wouldn't that be hot? Yes? 1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:02.080 Yes, and burn for a couple of pecks. I'll mix 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:02.919 it for you for free. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.440 You know what, don't try me. 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:15.280 I come out to tell it once while give me 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:18.880 some sugar. Steve Steve. Steve is a legendary engineer. 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:21.480 She knows I gave him the intro. 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:29.720 Okay, I'll drumb on this ship that happen, Yeah for free, 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:30.320 I'll do it. 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:31.120 Just with it call. 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:34.919 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I really believe that in my heart, 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:38.440 and by being so hard or a visionary, I can 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:41.400 kind of stay around corners sometimes. I just think I 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:45.400 have always felt that's a very strong concept and the 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:48.400 people would be like, oh my god, you know it 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.960 would be great for the demographics as well as the 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:53.040 new generation. 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:54.120 Right. 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:59.040 So I'm curious to know, with the success of where 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:03.840 the climax record was at the meeting in the ladies room, 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.560 what was your family's reaction to it. Was it sort 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:11.200 of like, Okay, you made it. 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:13.560 Good job, you know what, question, I don't really have 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:16.160 a happy story to tell you. And regarding that, I 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:17.320 didn't really have a lot. 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.919 Of either way. 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:22.120 Yeah, I didn't have a really good family motivation. I'm 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:25.320 very self motivated, and that's kind of beauty of one 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:29.200 of the beauties of my success is I'm very self motivated. 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.800 I really didn't have my family behind me. 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.120 Yeah, because I also wonder once you found your voice 1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:38.880 and people realized it was so strong and maybe anti 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:42.000 with a lot of these other female singers or groups 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:44.040 are singing to somebody else, you know, writing or whatever. 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:47.000 Was how long did it take for somebody and now 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:47.960 tell you to shut up? 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:52.680 You know, I don't know. It's just it's kind of 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:56.280 like I just moved forward another noise. 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:58.680 Right, So you really persevere throughout all this what I'm saying, 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:01.720 like no family support and a strong female you know, 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:05.000 home mission and lyrics, you know. 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:08.640 You know in the beginning. God, I got some stories. 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:11.680 I remember when Dick Griffy sent me out to there 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:14.400 was a woman by the name of Kat Miller. I 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:17.520 did my first song called beat My Face, and Drick 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.360 Griffy is like, you, here's twenty five hundred dollars go on. 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:24.120 And I got this girl named Cat Miller, and I 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:27.320 think you'll be really really good with producing her, you know, 1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:30.160 and she's out in Tennessee, so I want you to 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:33.680 go to Tennessee and work on her song. So get 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:37.360 the song. Went to Tennessee and the engineer laughed he 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:40.400 would refuse to work with me while I was there 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:43.000 when I first walked in the door, but when I left, 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:47.600 he became best friends. I think. I think. I think 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:51.200 when people see the talent, you know, it's kind of 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:54.760 like you can't you can't deny the talent. You know, 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:56.520 you can't, you know, and it's kind of like the 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:59.360 passion and the talent. And I know what I'm doing 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.840 and I enjoy what I do. So I think once 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:04.320 you get a hold of that, by the end of 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.240 the session, we were cool. He respected me, He didn't 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:09.520 have a heart, you know, I would tell him what 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:10.960 to do. He didn't want to do it at first, 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:13.040 but by the end of the session he was doing 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:15.320 it without me, you know. 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:17.720 So that's exacted you to be probably in the booth, 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:19.280 not at the book exactly. 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.959 So that's the moral, that's that's the way my life 1:05:22.000 --> 1:05:26.440 has gone, you know, dealing with male males in the 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:29.520 studio whatever. I think, when they see the talent, they become, 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:33.400 we become everything becomes really really cool and their appreciative 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:35.240 that had been in my space and our and I 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:36.480 enjoy being in their space. 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:37.160 Wow. 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:40.000 So you're saying that them offering their two cents of 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:45.320 what they think it should be and getting unsolicited advice 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:47.240 where it's not even asked for. 1:05:48.280 --> 1:05:51.480 Listen, I have a clear vision, a clear vision of 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:53.800 what I'm doing. If I wrote it, I know the 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:56.440 way it sounds. Now. My thing has always been as 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:58.760 your vision or if you come up with something that's 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:03.040 better than mine, to it. But if it's not, you know, 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:05.360 I don't really like to compromise. That was one of 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:07.920 the reasons why it was difficult for me to be 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:12.720 in Climax, because I just felt stifled because the compromising 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:18.800 is very difficult for a person who who was creative, right, No, yeah, 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:19.680 I just. 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:25.440 Thought about something I did read once was Penny Ford 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:27.120 in the original No. 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:33.360 Plenty fourtune Lorena Lorena Lorena was with child. Okay, she 1:06:33.440 --> 1:06:37.720 got clear and we needed someone to take her place 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:40.320 because we were going on the road. And during that time, 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:43.959 I did not believe as the leader of Climax set 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:46.600 that was a positive image for girls that time, at 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:50.720 that time, in the eighties, okay, in the nineties. Now 1:06:50.880 --> 1:06:53.200 now women are doing it. But I just you know, 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.360 that was that just wasn't you never saw. 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:59.000 That tradition following tradition, Yeah. 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.040 Yeah, So, and then was it didn't seem like we 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.400 had little young girls, you know, and were following us. 1:07:03.560 --> 1:07:07.640 So you know, you know, rightfully, so she was married 1:07:07.720 --> 1:07:11.000 or she you know. But so Penny was working for 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:14.680 Ron Sweeney as the second as the secretary, and Ryan 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:17.000 Sweeney was like, you guys really need to take Penny 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:20.320 for what she could sing. So Penny four came in 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:22.320 and she blew the house down and she went on 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:26.440 the road. I love it, okay, Yeah, we talk all 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:26.760 the time. 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:30.480 Yeah, you know, she's uh. 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:35.959 For those that don't know Penny, it's probably best known 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.440 as the the voice of a snap. 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:41.040 I Got the Power. 1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:46.680 And amongst the other things that you know, she's been 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:48.480 sort of ghost. 1:07:48.200 --> 1:07:51.440 Singing on her right, she wanted Shaka Babies. 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:53.840 She was well, yeah, I think the story was that 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:58.400 uh Shaka Khan was actually supposed to do I Got 1:07:58.400 --> 1:07:59.480 the Power and kind of. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.160 She admitted that she dropped the ball. 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:07.479 I just did it. I just dropped another UK track 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:09.560 and with Penny for It all over and I love 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.520 Penny Penny is. There's not many vocalists who can sing 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:16.160 like Penny for It. Penny for It. It cuts, it cuts, 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:18.760 you know, and I always play with these with these 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.599 female singers, It's not about what your capable of doing, 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:25.800 is how you make me feel, you know, And like 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:27.840 Aretha made you feel, you would pull over to the 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:29.720 side of the road on I Got to find Me 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.960 an Angel and you would cry. Right, I'm sure you've 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:36.320 got that experience right well, you know, she made you feel. 1:08:36.360 --> 1:08:40.280 These singers nowadays, they can sing and the apparatus is good, 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:42.960 but it's about what makes you feel good. And Penny for. 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:53.120 There's there's a question I always wanted to know the 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:57.080 answer to for the next album, the self title record, 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:03.719 the Climax album. Did you guys work with Rod Temperton 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:07.120 or did he just submit the man sized love song? 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:09.280 We worked with him? 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:11.360 Please tell me what was like working. 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:16.479 With Rod Temperton, you know, Carol bear Fager, I remember 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:20.559 it was all after after that the album, everybody was coming, 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:22.719 you know. We were going up and smoking a joint 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:26.040 with Carol beer Feger and you know, and all of them. 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.280 And Rod temper to had man sized level. Should have 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:33.800 been a huge head because the biggest pope, right, and 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:36.720 he he had us come in because he wanted to 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:39.960 audition who was going to be the lead vocalist on it. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.759 And of course I'm not. I don't consider that myself pious. 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:47.439 I was just there, okay, but Joyce. He didn't want 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:50.719 Joyce Joyce, No, he wanted Lorena. 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:55.720 That's ironic considering that Joyce's voice, his. 1:09:55.720 --> 1:10:01.880 Voice is very specialized, it's very Mychael Jackson Ish Jackson 1:10:01.920 --> 1:10:05.439 wouldn't have been able to sing man sized love. I 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.519 need a man you know, you needed a man sized voice. 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.720 That was That was a difference between I had my 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:16.880 That's that's what made Climax incredible. And another thing that 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:19.840 made Climax incredible was we all knew our space. We know, 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:23.760 I knew what I brought, you know, and Joyce knew 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.439 what she brought to the you know, Lorena knew what 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:28.679 she brought. So it was like we just really step 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:31.400 on each other's toes. We were like, okay, you come 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.400 in here with your voice. It was really a cool 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:36.960 thing in the beginning. And Rod Templeton heard Lorena and 1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:39.720 He's like, I want that big voice on it. So 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:41.679 he chose he chose Lorena. 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:45.360 Was that initially on the Running Scared soundtrack? 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:48.040 Yes? Yes so? 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:54.240 And also, uh, I mean you worked with Dick Griffy. No, 1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:56.280 Richie Rudolph. 1:10:56.320 --> 1:11:01.880 Well he wrote Man Sized Love with Rod Templeton, right right, Yeah, Yeah, 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.000 I didn't. I didn't see him. I met him later 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:07.200 at Tina Marie's house, but I didn't see him their 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:07.799 the session. 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:11.599 I was gonna say, when you became established, did you 1:11:11.640 --> 1:11:16.040 did you have a clique, Like who in the industry 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.719 was like your did you have running buddies? 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:21.480 Were you cool with? Like who were your best friends? 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.080 Like who did you vibe with that were artists? 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:28.360 Tina? Let me see, I would love to say bet 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:29.799 Mitler that wouldn't be a show. 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:34.320 Though right. 1:11:35.720 --> 1:11:39.160 On one song? Yeah, but we were, you know, she 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:42.760 just loved the song and she did it. Let me see. 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:44.400 Who did I hang out with a lot? 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:45.439 Uh? 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:51.800 It was Tina Marie mainly. Tina mainly. I didn't really 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:52.919 have a lot of friends. 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:56.599 Please Tina, please tell us, because she has been gone 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.480 for so long that please just tell people something about Tina. 1:11:59.479 --> 1:12:02.479 And I don't know how we became. You know, Tina 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:04.599 had a lot of people around her all the time, 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:07.799 you know, she was the people person. So our times 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:10.320 together were very kind of solemn. It was her and 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:12.840 she come over to the house and smoke a joint 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:16.000 and we talk about life. She was so deep. Tina 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:19.679 was no joke, okay. And we would talk about her past, 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:22.280 her life and the things she was going through and 1:12:22.360 --> 1:12:25.519 relationships and all of those things like that. And then 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:27.280 one day she called me up, Hey, come down to 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:29.240 the studio. I want you to be on this record. Okay, 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:32.960 I'll be down in an hour, okay. And then I 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:35.519 called her back, Hey, I got this song, come down. 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:38.280 I want you to be on this record. Now when 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:39.720 I call somebody and go I want you to be 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:43.040 on a record, well it's ten thousand dollars. You know, 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:50.599 people call your people, so you know, further moment, Hey, 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:54.240 let's go to Chicago. Okay. You know by those days 1:12:54.240 --> 1:12:57.120 you could go buy your ticket at the counter, right 1:12:57.560 --> 1:13:01.160 and San Francisco, let's go hang out. You know, it's 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.559 not really not a bad stories. It's just really wonderful memories. 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:06.760 Oh I don't want any bad stories. I wanted two 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.040 great memories or things that we didn't know about. 1:13:09.680 --> 1:13:12.000 You know, because she passed away so early, we never 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:12.880 just got to know her. 1:13:13.120 --> 1:13:15.759 She was just she was just you know, Tina became 1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:18.920 my friend before I really went to any concerts of 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:22.880 hers when I want to go to a concert. I 1:13:23.000 --> 1:13:27.360 was blown away that this girl was my friend, all right. 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:29.559 I was sitting out in the audience and she got 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:31.639 up a play guitars. She came out and the people 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:35.840 I didn't realize how massive Tina Marie was. And then 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:39.439 afterwards I said, wow, you're really something special, right, and 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:42.439 we laughed about it and it was it's all good. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.760 It was. There's no really bad stories for me. 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:48.200 Gotta be something made about her life, like she cannot 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:50.080 be forgotten. It's just very interesting. 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:53.320 You know. I can't really share a lot of things, 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:56.519 you know, because you know I can't, you know, but 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.240 all wonderful memories. I can't really think of any thing 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:03.280 that stands out that that I should speak about. 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:05.480 I know. I know around this time. 1:14:06.720 --> 1:14:10.799 You started doing like production work on your own, uh, 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:16.800 for other acts, and I gotta know, like you're the 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:21.920 history of you forming Madam X, of which no, I'm 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:26.800 telling you I loved. I was like, ah, not not 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:28.400 like why did you give the song away? 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:33.760 But just that type of girl to me could have 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:38.960 been just such a killer, killer, killer climax song. 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:40.720 I didn't write it. 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:43.200 Why did you give that song away? Oh? You didn't 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:43.519 write that. 1:14:44.200 --> 1:14:46.479 No, I didn't write it until I was you know, 1:14:46.840 --> 1:14:47.960 I had moved forward. 1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:52.280 Okay, So it wasn't like you had that song under 1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:53.160 your hat before. 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:53.200 No. 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.519 No, that was a last minute song that was written 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:59.920 by you know, I was. I was working on the album. 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:02.280 I created the concept in my mind. First of all, 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.240 let's talk about the beginning of these three girls. And 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:07.360 I still have a concept right now. I just don't 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:10.320 understand why we don't have a three girl group right now. 1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:17.000 I don't get it. Why is the only guy's a group? 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.400 Where's the band? Where's the two guys and one girl 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:23.760 wrap group? Where's the the female migos? I don't get it. 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:27.840 I'm not grabbing onto right right right way A climax. 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:33.800 That's a climax, right exactly. You know. You know, I 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:37.040 came up with this concept of the girls and I 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:38.840 didn't even have the group yet, and I met with 1:15:38.920 --> 1:15:42.400 Sylvia Roan. Sylvia Rome was interested in the concept, so 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:44.559 she came back out to l A and she met 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.840 with me. I told her about the concept. I will 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:48.360 do this in a way I want them to look, 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:50.400 and this is how I want him to do. She says, great, 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:54.479 I'm gonna sign it the concept, I said, okay, So 1:15:54.520 --> 1:16:00.160 we did the deal with Ron Sweeney and negotiator for 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:05.400 I learned to life and on, you know, and uh 1:16:06.920 --> 1:16:08.840 then I started formulating the group. I got the three 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:12.840 girls who were who came to be Metal Max started 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:17.840 working on the project, and I needed this last song, Okay, 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.320 I need Okay, it's just I'm listening to the album. 1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:22.960 I just don't hear. I don't hear a clear big 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:28.640 single and Cornelius Mims bass player. Yeah, yeah, okay, Cornelia's 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.120 hit me up. I got this track Baby, come on over. 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:33.360 And you know, I got this thing. Baby, I think 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:36.080 you go dig it. So I'm like, okay, come on over. 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.800 I'm at the studio. I'm at studio masters. He came by. 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:44.639 He played this, He played this track, which was actually 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.519 a back it went. He was working on the song 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:52.599 and the song went backwards. Okay, yeah, he was working 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.320 on the track and something technically happened and the song 1:16:55.400 --> 1:17:00.240 started playing backwards. That's the track. That's just that type 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:00.479 of good. 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:06.000 Steve's going to talk, yes, yes, yeah, mistakes, Okay, I'm 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:06.799 the best mistakes. 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:08.920 Yeah, shout out to bad engineers man all. 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:09.720 Over the world. 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:14.559 On all my song's mistakes. I don't do I don't 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:16.760 do the perfection thing all the time. You know, if 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:20.720 it feels good, it's staying, you know. But so you 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:23.880 brought me this backwards track and he says, baby, you 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:26.439 know it was a mistake, it went backwards, and that 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:29.000 I'm like, I love it. I love it. So I 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:31.320 took it. I said, leave me a track, and I 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:33.080 took it, and I wrote the lyrics. 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:35.160 I got to tell you like. 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:42.800 It's I meant for for nineteen eighty seven. It was 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:48.280 a very unusual sounding song. Very shocked that it hasn't 1:17:48.320 --> 1:17:52.400 been sampled or I still DJ. I still played to 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:54.960 this day on my DJ sets, and I'll say that 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:59.679 at least thirty to forty percent of the time someone 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:03.080 will think think that I'm playing something like new like 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:07.000 it just it doesn't. It didn't sound like anything that 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:11.400 was in the marketplace at the time. How come that 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:14.639 project was short lived? Like did you manage the band 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:15.080 as well? 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:15.479 Lord? 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:19.840 You know, you know everybody's equal in poverty And that 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:23.840 that statement comes from mister Dick Griffy himself, who I 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:26.800 had a chance to visit right the day before he 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:28.720 passed away. And I was able to thank him for 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:34.560 my career, okay, And everybody started pulling at these girls 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:37.519 when I when I created that, you know, and a 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.720 certain manager, I don't want to say any names, but 1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:43.000 a manager came in who I really was told not 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.479 to work with. And the next thing, I know, the 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:48.120 girls that went by my back and signed with this manager. 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:52.800 And Sylvia was not happy with it. And there was 1:18:52.840 --> 1:18:56.160 a clash, all right, and things got really out of 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:59.560 control and things got crazy, and that's what happened to 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:02.479 Manick pretty much. And they didn't want to you know. 1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:04.400 And I'm gonna tell you something, but a lot of 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:06.320 women don't like to do this is with other women. 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:09.040 A lot of women don't want other women's telling them. 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:12.120 Would to chill. They would rather a man tell them 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:14.720 the wrong way than the woman to tell them the 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:15.320 right way. 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:18.960 And now call that trauma. 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.840 And get I even get that to this day, women 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:26.240 don't want other women in control of them, you know, 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:27.840 and then they. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:33.360 Want a man, right, they want to manage it. 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:36.559 So it became this thing where they you know, the 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:38.599 guys were pulling them and then you know, I'm gonna 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:40.640 give you a solo deal and I just said go, 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:44.320 I'll put another group together, and you know, it became 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:47.040 a big It became a very big, a misunderstanding and 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:50.599 a horrible thing. And the manager who pulled them away, 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:54.920 Sylvia wasn't happening so happy with it. So it was 1:19:54.920 --> 1:19:56.840 a it was a horrible thing. So I tried to 1:19:56.880 --> 1:19:59.960 go forward with one of the other members who now 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:03.720 is passed away but passed away from cancer. 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:05.439 Which which one passed away, and that was. 1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:11.640 There was Dickie, there was Iris, and there was Alisa. 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:14.639 Alisa Alsa, yes. 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:15.240 The one that did the. 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:22.360 Yeah, yeah, they see once again, once again. I love 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:27.639 the beauty of finding your strength, your strength, your strength together. 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:30.439 We got a band because everybody can't do the same thing. 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.720 So we had we had Valerie who was that uh 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.920 you know, that Grace Jones kind of vibe, you know, man, 1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:40.120 you know, did we have Iris, who had a more 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.920 jazzy vibe that we had a Lisa who had who 1:20:43.960 --> 1:20:47.840 could same sing, same thing, you know, yeah, it's the 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:51.519 same same sing. So I tried to do a project 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:54.080 with Alisa, but it did. The vibe was all gone now. 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:56.320 But that's what happened to Madame Max. That's a problem. 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:58.599 There was no that's it. That was it. 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:03.320 That's what happened, was producing other acts, like a pleasurable 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:05.920 experience for you, like working with ro Lynn. 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:14.599 And you know, I look, you know, I'm not even 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:16.000 gonna fall down that rabbit hole. 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:19.240 But this is not the first time I've heard that 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:20.320 sort of response. 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:23.800 You know, every everything has their stories, you know, and 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.280 I have, you know, with cho Lynn. I enjoyed Choln. 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:29.160 Cho Lynn had to manage you were just for whatever reason, 1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:32.160 didn't really take to me. So I just remember Jerry, 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:34.880 Jerry was an engineer. That's where I first met Jerry Brown. 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:38.280 Jerry Brown, he was with chro Lynn and he says, 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:40.920 I'm working with you. And then you know, Pebbles told 1:21:40.960 --> 1:21:43.240 him he was working with Pebbles, and Pebbles says either 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:46.439 Bernadette or me. He says Bernadette. So Jerry and I 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:50.200 have been together every since, you know. But that's where 1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:53.360 I met so cho Lyn. You got you know, every 1:21:53.520 --> 1:21:56.320 every story has a little thing that comes along. I've 1:21:56.320 --> 1:22:02.120 heard the stories you know, people I didn't people's. And 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:05.519 when she was dating Howard Hewitt, right, and I was 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.280 doing this song called the Entity Sex that I wrote, 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:11.479 which was a big which was a big which is 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:15.400 a big voice record, you know. And once again I 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:18.720 had specifics of how I wanted that song to be, 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.880 you know, performed, and she had her ideas, so. 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:23.639 She didn't really have a big voice though. 1:22:25.200 --> 1:22:26.960 You know what, if you listen to the song she did, 1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:29.559 we did a heck of a job. But that was 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:33.559 after she cried. And you know Howard you had came 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:36.360 in telling me, well, I didn't know what I was doing, 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:39.360 and you know, you know, but I got the best 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:41.680 out of her. You know, every every there's been a 1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:44.720 lot of situation. Once again, the man, So. 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:46.960 You're are you? You? 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.840 Are you demanding when it comes to your your art 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:51.519 and the people that you work with? 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:54.960 Yes, yes, okay, I can respect. 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:58.040 That demanding in the sense of I already see when 1:22:58.040 --> 1:23:00.439 you write the song, you have a clear vision, right 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:03.320 do you know how the moldy goes? You know how 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:05.640 it should be, you know what it should sound like 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:09.559 from that perspective. I'm not mean or difficult, you know, 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:12.720 I'm just demanding on trying to get the best out 1:23:12.720 --> 1:23:12.960 of you. 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:16.160 I'm just curious if you've talked to I mean, it's 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:17.560 only a few I don't want to say it's a 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:19.080 few of your peers. It's it's a lot of women 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:22.160 behind the scenes making music throughout the years. However, have 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:24.360 there been some peers that you've you've spoken to and 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.400 had like these similar experiences? Because I'm listening to you 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:31.760 and I'm thinking, I wonder how Missy you know, yeah, 1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:34.559 like and from her beginnings and earning her respect and 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:37.439 then getting getting telling other women and other men what 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:40.440 to do? You know, Missy Missy. 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:42.840 Was probably she came up with that hip hop world 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:45.200 and she was who was the person who was? Was 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:48.600 it Diddy? Who was? Yeah? So you have what you 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:51.600 got Kimberland behind you. They much, you know, But I 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:54.439 was used by yourself. Yeah, I was by myself. So 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:56.599 when Timberland is saying, hey, this is missus, She's gonna 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:57.200 tell you what to do? 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:59.640 Who are your peers in that way? Then Bernie that like, 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.200 who are the other sisters that have been through the 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:02.840 same thing? 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:05.320 I don't know. I don't know. 1:24:05.600 --> 1:24:05.880 You know what. 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:08.040 I got a story. When I was forming Climax, I 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:11.800 asked Eater be in it? Okay, he said, only if 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:13.200 it Chila I Climax. 1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:14.719 Well, I mean y'abo drummers. 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.400 But you know, she wanted to be Yeah, you know what, 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:24.000 you know what, she's bad. Okay, I give my props 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:27.759 to Sheila. Okay, yeah, but that's just a story. Nothing 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:29.800 bad about it. 1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:32.639 It don't have to be bad, right right. You know, 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:36.719 you guys want you know, you just want the good stuff. 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:37.800 We don't want to know, you know. 1:24:37.880 --> 1:24:40.479 No, I got a lot of stories, but I'm just 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.800 so like a protective of a lot of people, and 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:46.400 I don't want to say too much. But there there's 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:47.200 a million. 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:55.599 Stories, all right, So I kind of say this not 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:59.320 for last but because I never knew. Even though I 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:02.840 know that that v H one thing was on the air, 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.880 I didn't see exactly what went down. 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:10.920 But I do not know. Have you guys Climax included? 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:13.680 Do you guys? You guys, have you got anybody were 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:17.760 at that recent Billboard article about you? 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:19.320 About you? 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:21.679 Anybody right now? If you want to google it Billboard 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:24.080 and climb actually see what just happened. 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:25.120 It just came out. 1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:30.639 Well, so it's probably last month, two months ago. Did 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:33.880 you hear about Climax being inducted into a woman's house 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:36.320 songwriting house of Hall? 1:25:36.520 --> 1:25:37.200 So familiar? 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:41.600 Okay, we heard, we heard about it too. When it was, 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:44.200 and then I'll get back to the v H one thing. 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:47.000 But let me started the VH one thing because it's 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:51.479 a prelude to this. Okay, during this particular time, go ahead. 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:54.080 I'm sorry, no, no, I just I want to know 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:56.840 what the straw that was that broke the camel's back 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.720 that led to the breakup of the group, or for 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:02.400 you leave because another group went on without you, like 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:05.639 good Love and whatever the other songs were. 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:08.400 But you know what was it like to leave the 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:09.519 band that you started? 1:26:10.360 --> 1:26:19.320 There was power struggles and when you's difficult for individuals 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:22.240 to say. And this would be a better place if 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.880 we were able to do this. I'm jealous of the 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:28.400 fact that I put in equal amount of work as you. 1:26:29.080 --> 1:26:31.120 All right, I've been in this band at the same 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.080 time in you. But all people want to do is 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:36.320 focused on Burnett Cooper. That's very very I'm jealous, I'm 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.720 angry about it, and I'm mad as hell. Okay, at 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:41.360 that point, we could talk about it and we can 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:44.280 get through it. But what happens with people is they 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:47.920 start to nitpick, and they start to get in groups 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:50.080 and go against you and all of those kind of 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.959 things like that. Which makes me being from a family 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:58.360 of women who have attacked me. When I'm in a corner, 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:02.280 I come out fighting for survival. So I kind of 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:06.439 felt like there was nothing big, major blow upers fight 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:11.000 other than the fact is I got frustrated with having 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:16.880 to compromise my creativity for people who really didn't want 1:27:16.960 --> 1:27:21.920 me to be successful or wanted me to move forward 1:27:21.920 --> 1:27:26.000 in life past them. So I made a decision after 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:31.120 being I would say at sometimes bullied, ulfilling bullied, that 1:27:31.320 --> 1:27:34.400 I didn't no longer want to be in this situation. 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:36.960 And there was the biggest move in my life. But 1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:40.439 I just asked you because I wasn't happy and I 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:43.559 had to move forward. That's pretty much it. And I 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:46.280 tried to stay, but it was this particular member in 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:48.360 the group was the treasurer of the group, and I 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:51.440 said I would stay if we got a real treasurer 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:54.840 and not you know, we've growne we've gotten bigger, and 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:57.600 this particular treasurer of the group I would like in 1:27:57.640 --> 1:28:00.160 the outside treasure I'll stay if I get my money 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:03.160 and my things individual because I don't want this particular 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:07.759 person to handle And they were like, no, wait. 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:08.280 I have a question. 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:12.960 So at this point in your career where there's platinum 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:18.360 singles and YadA, YadA, YadA, you guys are still operating 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:22.040 on that sort of level where like I'll collect the 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:24.800 payment at the end of the game, Like you don't 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:26.840 have a business manager. 1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:27.599 Or what we had. 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:30.000 But we had a treasure in the group, and I 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:33.920 didn't feel good about this particular situation, and I was like, no, 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:37.120 we need to go to another level, because it's about levels, 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:40.479 and it's about vision, it's about growth. Now everybody doesn't. 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:44.120 Sometimes you just simply I'll grow a situation. That's pretty 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:47.040 much what it is. We're climbing. I just simply outgrew 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:49.960 this situation where it's like a relationship, you're married. Do 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:52.400 you want to go back to your ex wife? No, 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:55.840 you know, because you guys are going you know, because 1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:58.720 you've out growth the situation. You know, it doesn't mean 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:01.440 anything other than that. But yeah, we were still operating 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:05.280 on that level, and this particular individual ended up being 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:12.360 the problem who's still to this day is collecting royalties 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:15.720 that we don't know about. Now let's get to the 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:18.240 VH one situation. So the group had just spanned it 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:20.680 for a while, and you know, Joyce. You know, I 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:23.920 had to say, hey, let's get the group back together. No, no, no, don't. 1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:26.120 I wasn't feeling that if everybody was going to make 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:28.439 that first move, I felt that it should be me. 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:31.960 So I didn't go forward with that. And I never 1:29:32.000 --> 1:29:34.519 got a call from this person at all. And next 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.439 thing we know, she was trying to trademark the name 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:41.000 and it got we found out about it and it 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:44.920 stopped it. But that's when the VH one came in. 1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:48.960 And then after the VH one story came in the 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:52.320 in the when I saw how people were still very 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.280 very much focused on climax of wanting to do things 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:59.280 and shows and things like that, we decided to move 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:03.200 forward to do Okay, here we are twenty twenty one. 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:05.280 If you will read then we. 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:10.479 Gotta yeah, I mean I'm reading it. Yeah. Oldline is 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:14.000 clim don't like the look. Okay, you want me to 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:15.200 say the name? Okay, I won't say. 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:18.519 Well, it's up to hear whether you want to say it. 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:19.439 It's in Billboard. 1:30:19.960 --> 1:30:23.800 You out, Yeah, Sharyl Cooley, that was your quote. 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:27.760 But you know, so this individual has been doing all 1:30:27.760 --> 1:30:31.240 these and savory things, bringing the bringing our brand down 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:37.120 to your typical band that plays at the local uh 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:41.519 food mark for for five hundred dollars, you know, using 1:30:41.640 --> 1:30:43.679 the name. So we tried to get her to stop, 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:46.479 and she admitted that she would stop and that she 1:30:46.520 --> 1:30:49.679 would only go out because you know, as sure Cooley 1:30:49.760 --> 1:30:52.919 for formerly a Climax or client. We have that on tape, 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:56.920 all right. So then I get a call one day 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:01.920 that all of our all of our publishing on Askcap 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:08.920 and on Ascaps specifically had been changed, publisher splits, including 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:13.200 Rod Templeton, including a bunch of people, the publishers, all 1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:17.479 the splits, all the splits, all the writers shared had 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:20.080 been changed. And to show Cooli's name, how can you 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:20.880 do that legally? 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:21.559 That's interesting. 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:27.240 Nobody turn away from the farm and listen. 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:27.479 Listen. 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:30.800 People are not paying People just weren't paying attention, you know. 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:35.200 So anyway, let's move forward. Sony gets involved because they 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:38.120 own half of that publishing from the post, so they 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:42.679 get involved. There was Sony an Ascap trying to figure 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:47.959 out how this person got in and changed Jimmy Jams publishing, 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:55.960 read writers splits, Climax, not just us, Rod Templeton, All 1:31:55.960 --> 1:32:03.280 of these people come yeah, Coolie, So anyway, moving on, 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.519 we called them. I sent them a letter. They fixed it, 1:32:06.720 --> 1:32:09.479 she changed it back somehow. Then we got we woke 1:32:09.560 --> 1:32:12.599 up to Wow, Lorena said me, because Lorena and I 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:16.519 we speak all the time. Shout out to Lorena, who's 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:21.240 recovering from a cancer. Scare. All right, we just did 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:28.200 a project togethers really good. So Lorena, uh, she goes, hey, 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:30.439 you got you know, look at this article. And an 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:34.800 article states the Climax Climax will be inducted into the 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:38.599 Women's Writing Hall of Fame. All right, and we were honored. 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:40.920 We finally came together as a group as being honored. 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:43.559 Oh my god, I don't you know, we don't get along, 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:49.400 but oh my god. So we waited around, you know, 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:52.080 a week or two. I sent a letter, thank you, 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:57.600 we're honored, Lindzen the letter thank you joys in it. Wow, 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:02.080 no response. Find Finally we got a hold of the 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:03.840 people and they were like, well, we're given the honor 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:08.920 to Cheryl Cooley. So we were like, wait a minute, 1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:11.680 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I 1:33:11.920 --> 1:33:16.040 you know in kind wrote a letter. No, this Climax's group. No, 1:33:16.400 --> 1:33:18.599 you have to show us who owns the name Sharrel 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:22.360 was telling people that she owned the name, and apparently 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:26.839 this individual who's over this has some connection with Cooley, 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:29.799 and she was dead set on giving Cooly this award. 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:35.160 The COOLi does a right, she wrote, right, I put 1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:38.439 the name on I put Cooley's name on Heartbreaker just 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:42.439 because we're in the group. We didn't write none and so. 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:45.320 But yeah, and it looks like you guys are abandoned 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:51.520 right right, right right, and in this situation, situation. 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.840 The one song that we did was never undermestiate the 1:33:54.840 --> 1:33:58.360 power over woman Shaye Cooley and I did that, excuse me, 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:01.320 the very first song, right. But other than that, Choc 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:04.400 is just not a writer. Okay, I'm not saying, you know, 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:07.080 she's not a hit writer. Let's put it like that. 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:09.120 And if you look at if you look at all 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:13.519 the names. So she she happily went up to accept 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:17.080 this award. Right. So it was on such a big 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:23.240 platform of Billboard being announced. People were calling me, hey, congratulations, 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:25.560 and I'm like, okay, so I called bill Board and 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:27.960 I'm like, you guys have to give us a chance 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:32.080 to respond to this, because you know it's not right. 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:35.200 You know, they didn't say we're given award to climb 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:39.080 sua coolie of Climax. They said climax, and that's that's 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:44.120 a big coming from So Billboard we did a you know, 1:34:44.400 --> 1:34:49.760 we responded. We responding and and Billboard, you know, to 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:52.320 try to set the record straight to make people understand. 1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:55.679 And also, you know, Billboard grabbed onto that Astep story 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:58.240 because that was a big story with all the changes 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:01.640 being made. So that's it. So I just sent out 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:04.880 to see Centersistent hopefully, you know, because she was intent 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:07.720 on going out as Climax and the original climate. You're 1:35:07.760 --> 1:35:10.960 not the original climate, you know, So let's just hope 1:35:10.960 --> 1:35:13.240 that we can at least, you know, with the Truth 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:17.320 and Music Act, you can go out and you can perform. 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:19.880 Nobody's trying to stop you, but you gotta play fair. 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:23.680 And playing fair is climax. Cody, that's what you mean 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:26.800 a music Act? Okay, Yeah, are you familiar with that? 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:28.320 I wasn't until you said that. I feel like I 1:35:28.320 --> 1:35:29.000 should be there. 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:29.439 Yeah. 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:31.919 I think I heard about this with Dennis Edwards. 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:39.320 Well, Mary Mary Mary Mary Wilson of the Supremes. She enact. 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:42.479 She helped to enact that law. That is, if you 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:45.840 are in an individual member of a group that was successful, 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:48.519 you have the right to go out using their name 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:53.160 to make a living that yeah, yeah, but you have 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:57.679 to be an original member, you know. And and that's 1:35:57.720 --> 1:36:00.519 why you see so many groups kind of like, you know. 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:05.240 Going and doing so many different versions of groups, like 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:07.200 a lot of climaxes on the internet. 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:09.840 There's a lot of climaxes on the Internet. I'm trying 1:36:09.840 --> 1:36:14.160 to separate that now and I'm really evolving into Bernadette 1:36:14.160 --> 1:36:16.759 Cooper and putting out music. But you know, I can't. 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:20.280 There's synonymous. Bernida Cooper is pretty much synonymous, so I 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:22.519 can't escape it. But it is what it is. There's 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:23.840 nothing that can be done about. 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:30.640 It presents the climatic, right, the climatic, you know. 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:33.080 So and when we go out, you know, climax is 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:36.000 much bigger than just Bernadette Cooper. Climax is coming with 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:39.479 the hits. So Bernida Cooper has a whole, the whole 1:36:39.520 --> 1:36:43.320 other album drama according to Bernadette Cooper. So it's it's 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:47.240 you know, so yeah, So Joyce is going out with 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:50.800 her concept shocles, going out of the concept and you know, 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:53.960 everybody's allowed to do it. And the main thing is 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:57.600 we're doing the hits and people are it's keeping the 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:00.240 hits and people's memories. So that's the way I look 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:01.800 at it. I'm not tripping about it no more. 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:04.320 There's just no. 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:09.960 Ice cubes chance in hell that this can come to 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:12.759 a place where you guys, we'll. 1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:19.200 Just I'll say never, say never. But I have a 1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:22.479 clear vision of where I want to go with the 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.680 second with the second half of my life, you know, 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:29.240 talk about it, which includes because when you go back 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:32.639 into the group scenario, it becomes that whole compromise thing. 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:36.160 I don't want to compromise at all. I don't want 1:37:36.160 --> 1:37:39.120 to compromise anymore. My you know, life is short. I 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:40.840 want to be able to do it my way and 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:43.000 at the end of the day, go, oh, you know, 1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:45.600 Frank Sinatra, I did it my way, you know, and 1:37:45.600 --> 1:37:49.880 it kind of like no disrespect. But you know, that's 1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:51.479 that's the way I feel about it, and I don't 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:55.040 want to shed you know, history is history, and everybody 1:37:55.080 --> 1:37:58.519 has history, and everybody has things they say about the 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.559 members of the band and all of that. But I 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:04.880 would never It's all good. We had a great run, 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:08.280 we created history. We should be honored, you know. I 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:11.839 don't understand how they could do music walk Girls Alive 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:14.240 and Girls Listen. I was curious. 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.519 I was like, did Beyonce ever come out? Does she know? 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:19.120 Because the whole girl band that she had going on, 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:20.640 I was like, I'm curious. 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:24.160 If she knew the the girls in the band know 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:29.720 we can who play instruments. Okay, that's what matters, you know, 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:32.479 But you know, not to you know, not to come 1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:35.880 off vain or egotistical or any of those things, because 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:39.920 you know, I'm just I'm pretty even, but I'm cool. 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:42.880 I'm cool. I just want to move forward. And the 1:38:42.960 --> 1:38:46.439 girls are entitled to use the name. And if anybody 1:38:46.560 --> 1:38:49.519 is out there and you go see Climax teacher and whoever, 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:54.160 and if we're all playing fair enjoying the music, you know, 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:57.639 because yeah, so when I'm long gone, that music would 1:38:57.640 --> 1:39:01.599 still be going on. You know, Yes, ma'am. And that's 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:02.320 pretty much it. 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:05.640 That's right, shut down, interviewed themselves. 1:39:07.160 --> 1:39:10.840 But I'm going to can I ask myself a question? Yeah, yes, No, 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:17.360 I'm just playing with guys. I mean no, no, no, 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:22.160 I'm no, I'm good. I'm just you know, just moving forward. 1:39:22.280 --> 1:39:25.320 That's it. That's we didn't we didn't talk about drama. 1:39:25.320 --> 1:39:26.720 According to Bernie that Cooper. 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:28.000 Was, I'm about to go there. 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:32.840 That's a question I was going to ask when when 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:36.320 when you finally got to that came out in nineteen ninety, 1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:40.000 I believe you got the drama, Bernard that Cooper. How 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.559 liberated did you feel and in it falling on you 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:49.080 and like being your own artist, being. 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:52.200 Your own voice, Oh my gosh. 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:53.920 Like was it was it a breath of fresh air 1:39:54.040 --> 1:39:57.000 or that can that much freedom can also be scary. 1:39:57.640 --> 1:39:59.800 So for you, what was it like? 1:40:01.360 --> 1:40:04.680 Freedom? You know, it's Jerry I equated very much to 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:08.240 what's happening today, even though a lot of people, I mean, 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:11.280 we're able to put out music freely and you know 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:14.200 put it on you know, CD baby or whatever and 1:40:14.240 --> 1:40:17.120 put you music out. But back then it was freedom 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:21.519 to me, you know, being in a band, and you know, 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:24.559 probably that's why the album was such a cool album 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:26.599 because it was my first taste of freedom. 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:31.479 Wow, okay, I greet him. 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:35.240 And a lot of people was on that album, Lenny Kravitz, Uh, 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:39.120 there was a Paulino Dacors. A lot of people played 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:44.880 on because Jerry Brown was bringing in all those major musicians. 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:48.400 Funny because as Lenny Kravis and you went back from 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.479 the scene of being in California back in the day, 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:51.880 because I know he was a little younger, but I 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:53.599 know he was out and about before he was supposed 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:54.000 to be too. 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:56.080 Yeah, I met him through Tina. He used to hang 1:40:56.120 --> 1:40:58.400 out a Tina's. You said you was gonna give us 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:01.240 a Tina story. Well, the time they come to me, 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:05.679 I know, I met him, you know, through Teenate would 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:08.240 hang out at Tina's house. You know, he was he 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:11.280 was dating Lisa Burnett at that time. You know, So 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:13.519 I asked him if he would play. He came and playing, 1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:16.760 but he but he then immediately got to deal with 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:20.840 Version Records and he told me he couldn't. He didn't 1:41:20.840 --> 1:41:22.640 want me to credit him, so you won't see his 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:25.639 credit on the album. But wow, yeah he played on it. 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:30.800 He played on Let's be the screet about It. That's 1:41:30.880 --> 1:41:32.479 Lenny really funky guitar. 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:34.880 Yeah, okay, now I got to revisit that. 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:42.639 Okay, yeah, wait, can you explain? 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:46.960 Okay, have the set a long long time ago? 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:51.360 The Howard Hughes song, can you like the way that 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:52.800 your mind works? 1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:57.400 Like how do you even go? Like what was it. 1:41:58.040 --> 1:42:01.439 I know that the whole that album elevates your your 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:03.440 personality and. 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:07.720 Even more. But like from the beginning, like who was 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:12.679 the who conceptualized that record as far as really bringing 1:42:12.720 --> 1:42:14.720 your character to life? 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:16.559 I did. I remember, I had the free I had 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:21.240 the freedom to do that and taking things from a 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:24.600 song by a song by song basis and living and 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:28.120 looking at what I had and what I needed, you 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:31.240 know too, Yeah, I just took it. You know. I 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:33.360 would listen to the song of Jerry and I. Jerry 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:35.760 and I did a lot of that, talking about it 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:40.599 and conceptualizing what's needed. Oh you need something really funky now, okay, 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:43.799 let's be the street about it. Mini Cravis is coming. Okay, 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:45.639 what do I need? I need something about a woman 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:48.439 who's just you know, who's looking for a wealthy man, 1:42:48.520 --> 1:42:51.639 because that's the reality of the world. You know, women 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:55.599 women love to be they love the security. So that's 1:42:55.640 --> 1:42:59.400 how Howard Heal sitcom came up. Yeah, that's how that 1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:02.920 came up. Wasn't from experience, It was purely from you know, 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:06.200 just thinking about what's missing and what's needed. 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:11.320 Well, you also mentioned Lou Silas, who you know, of 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:16.040 course has had major success and has left us. But 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:18.640 what was he like as an executive? 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:25.639 Oh my gosh, loul oh. Going out on the road 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.080 with him the first time. He was our point person 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:30.200 who would take us from ound to the radio stations 1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:34.640 and things. And he got a fixation on Lorena, so 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:38.760 you know, uh so we would go out on the 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:40.760 road to deal with that all the time. And he 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:44.800 was very very he had he had great vision and 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:47.240 he would have, Hey, Bernidette, come come on down to 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:50.080 the studio. I got a concept and I want you 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:53.280 to put a concept on this. I think, you know, 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:55.880 just talk and put the microphone in from you. He 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:59.120 was very good at bringing people together and as a businessman, 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:03.000 you know, sign me as he signed me as a 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:06.439 solo artist. So he was wonderful. He was at MCA 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:08.360 he says, you're one of the first acts I want 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:09.920 to sign, and he signed me. 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.360 Well that's what I was going to say, Like, I know, 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:15.960 like was he more of a suit or was he 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:20.120 really a music guy? 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:24.200 He was a music guy. He had ideas, he had vision, 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:26.320 He knew how to bring the right people together and 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:30.160 in order to achieve a certain song, a certain thing 1:44:30.280 --> 1:44:32.559 on an album, because you know, after I did the 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:35.040 mental pause. He says, Okay, you got to come back 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:37.519 with that same thing on Meeting in the Latest Room 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:39.960 because that was so popular. That was one of the 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:42.880 things that people remember, I need that same thing on 1:44:42.920 --> 1:44:45.800 this particular album, Meeting in the Latest film. So we 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:50.760 went to Larabie and he turned the mic on and 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:52.960 I said, I had to leave my condo to come 1:44:53.000 --> 1:44:56.639 to this, you know, And that's how that happened him. 1:44:57.320 --> 1:44:59.120 Yeah, you know exactly. 1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:03.480 Yeah, wait, how did you How did you even know? Uh, 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:09.000 it's so weird because you know, if you really look 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:12.880 at the character that you built, I mean, it's so 1:45:13.280 --> 1:45:17.639 it's such a precursor to what hip hop became ten 1:45:17.760 --> 1:45:23.080 years later. Like you are probably the first person I 1:45:23.080 --> 1:45:28.160 ever heard name drop like Versace. Yeah, names I never 1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:31.840 heard of before that rappers would start just that became 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:33.400 their birthright ten years later. 1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:39.960 And in Tiva, In Tiva, I was fearless. You have 1:45:40.000 --> 1:45:42.800 to understand, and I was and I was in and 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:46.439 I was in too close and they started sending me 1:45:46.520 --> 1:45:51.160 close and I just kind of like I just kind 1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:53.839 of spoke my mind. I wish I really allowed myself 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:56.280 to have You know, now, you have to be a 1:45:56.320 --> 1:45:59.280 little bit more resolved because everybody is so sensitive and 1:45:59.320 --> 1:46:00.519 the things that you say. 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:03.280 You know, but that's what age was for, so you 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:04.720 don't have to you know. 1:46:05.120 --> 1:46:07.679 You know, I even think about it, you know, because 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:09.840 I even think about my demographics, what they want to 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:11.880 hear from me, you know, they you know, and I 1:46:11.920 --> 1:46:14.600 don't want to continue and be a caricature of my 1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:15.760 old self, you know. 1:46:16.240 --> 1:46:17.960 So I was going to say, do you get tired 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:22.439 of having to turn it on in a snap like 1:46:22.560 --> 1:46:25.200 other days where you just wish like you never had 1:46:25.240 --> 1:46:26.599 to invent that character too? 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:34.000 You know, I'm naturally a a comedian, so I'm always 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:36.920 that comes very easy from me. The character is easy. 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:41.400 The character is more easier than me being myself. You know. Yeah, 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:44.400 I could bring the character, and I'm much more comfortable 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:48.720 on stage than I am anywhere, you know, So I 1:46:48.720 --> 1:46:51.479 don't struggle with it at all. I don't struggle with it. 1:46:51.560 --> 1:46:55.439 I'm I'm working on now in the product that you 1:46:55.720 --> 1:47:01.200 hear me putting out is kind of the the me, 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:05.360 the evolution of Bernadette Cooper and me who has evolved 1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:08.519 into the woman, and kind of like slowing down a 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:11.240 little bit so that I can perform my songs way 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:15.160 until you know, I get older and older my songs 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:17.280 to be able to And I wish I could do 1:47:17.280 --> 1:47:19.439 a song on an album on Janet Jackson is. I 1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:21.600 think she would be good at doing that, so she 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:23.800 doesn't have to get up and do real domnation and 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:27.639 all of those things. That's a lot to be dancing 1:47:27.720 --> 1:47:29.800 and all that. You know, now's the time to kind 1:47:29.800 --> 1:47:32.000 of slow it down and go into the new you 1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:36.000 and your and your demographics will follow because they they're 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:39.439 there too. They're there too. There's train age, you know. 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:42.200 So that's what I'm doing right now with the projects 1:47:42.280 --> 1:47:43.800 that I'm that I'm working on. 1:47:44.360 --> 1:47:46.800 You know, one more thing. 1:47:47.600 --> 1:47:51.800 It just hit me, did you at any point did 1:47:51.840 --> 1:47:58.439 you ever consider the sort of going down the acting 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:03.040 lane because you were so charismatic, you know, I never 1:48:03.320 --> 1:48:04.320 you should have done movies. 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:08.320 You know. I've had many people come to me. I've 1:48:08.360 --> 1:48:11.400 even gone to auditions. I flupped, Oh my god, my 1:48:11.439 --> 1:48:14.639 mouth wi more. It's not for me. That's for somebody. 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:17.160 The audition. 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:20.639 I'm just like, you know, panic, that's for somebody who 1:48:20.720 --> 1:48:23.919 has who has studied. I've gone there and live literally 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:26.360 couldn't read the lines. My mouth wouldn't move. I was 1:48:26.840 --> 1:48:29.240 so afraid. I said, this is not for me. I 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:32.000 don't have a head, I don't have a toget, I 1:48:32.000 --> 1:48:34.600 don't want to support. But you know what I have 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:37.840 a passion for, and that's coming out. And here's here's 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:41.360 a commercial head that I'm gonna drop that I'm doing 1:48:41.400 --> 1:48:42.320 audio books. 1:48:42.920 --> 1:48:45.639 Okay, yeah, I doing. 1:48:45.520 --> 1:48:48.960 Fiction and I'm doing the characters with soundtrack and all 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:54.960 of that, and yeah, yeah, it's really really episodic adventures. 1:48:55.000 --> 1:48:59.320 It's really really going to transition, yes, and I love it. 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:03.960 I love it on a couple the newest one where 1:49:04.000 --> 1:49:07.080 I've written I've written several books. I haven't released them 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:11.280 because I'm creating the audiobook from these concepts. But the 1:49:11.640 --> 1:49:16.400 new one, The Strokes, is coming out probably and Jerry 1:49:16.520 --> 1:49:23.120 is mixing the last song probably maybe December, if not December, 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:26.599 first of the year. And it's really really cool because 1:49:26.640 --> 1:49:30.080 I'm looking at the our demographics and women now being 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:33.240 a majority of the bread winners. And but we're busy. 1:49:33.600 --> 1:49:36.439 We're taking the kids to school, we're going to work. 1:49:36.760 --> 1:49:38.519 Then we got to get off work and we got 1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:39.960 to go pick up the kids. Then we got to 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:41.760 come back home. And then we got to cook and 1:49:41.800 --> 1:49:43.599 get them to bed. We don't have time to read 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:46.960 a book. So these episodic adventures are things you can 1:49:47.000 --> 1:49:49.240 put in and you can listen to on your way 1:49:49.240 --> 1:49:52.920 to soccer practice. You know it comes back, and they're 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:56.320 so funny and exciting. The first one is The Strokes. 1:49:56.360 --> 1:49:59.920 It's a racial thing about a woman who's transformed of 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:05.160 by a racist white woman who's transformed. Something happens to 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:07.400 where she has to be transformed by a black woman 1:50:07.439 --> 1:50:11.000 who's in her proximity, and she changes for the best, 1:50:11.080 --> 1:50:15.760 and they're all situated into a nursing home, and you 1:50:16.240 --> 1:50:19.200 also get the characters. And because if you ever go 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:20.800 into a nursing home, which I've been in a lot 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:23.200 of them because I've been dealing with my grandmother and 1:50:23.200 --> 1:50:27.360 my mother's health, there's some old souls in there, some 1:50:27.640 --> 1:50:30.800 unresolved souls, And if you listen to those people who 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:33.920 are ninety years old, they're putting these racist white people 1:50:34.160 --> 1:50:36.800 in with black people and there's a lot going on 1:50:36.880 --> 1:50:40.400 in those songs. But it's interesting because you learn about 1:50:40.439 --> 1:50:43.200 the souls and the things that they've gone through. So 1:50:43.240 --> 1:50:47.000 this particular, this host out of your book kind of 1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:50.080 explores that you know that pretty much if you don't 1:50:50.160 --> 1:50:53.719 take care it resolve those negative spirits, and those spirits 1:50:53.760 --> 1:50:56.880 in the inside of you now they follow you until 1:50:56.880 --> 1:50:59.080 the rest of your life. So that's what this book 1:50:59.160 --> 1:50:59.639 is about. 1:51:00.479 --> 1:51:00.719 Wow. 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:04.320 Yeah, yeah, it's really I love it. 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:05.320 I like that. Yeah. 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:07.080 I've been talking to you. I've been you know, I've 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:09.400 been talking to some have you hitters about it, you know, 1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:19.240 HarperCollins talk about it, Yeah, and Patrick Ovid Harper Collins. 1:51:19.240 --> 1:51:22.040 We've been discussing it for for a while and it's 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:24.400 just so it's such a new concept. It's not your 1:51:24.400 --> 1:51:27.200 typical audio book that he doesn't know what to quite. 1:51:27.400 --> 1:51:29.360 We're trying to figure in fit it into it because 1:51:29.400 --> 1:51:33.680 the beauty of it quest is also the soundtrack. 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:38.880 Is available, right, Okay, okay, you know, Wow, I'm glad 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:44.719 to know that you're still having dreams and you're you're 1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:46.000 you're still manifesting it. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:46.720 Yeah. 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:50.760 The fact that you know, you allowed us to gave 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:53.960 us the honor of being your audience to to really 1:51:54.240 --> 1:51:56.080 learn of your. 1:51:56.000 --> 1:51:58.880 Story and your history, and thank you, you. 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:01.720 Know, because again, like there're there weren't platforms like this 1:52:01.840 --> 1:52:05.320 when I was a kid, wanting to know of my 1:52:05.360 --> 1:52:07.960 favorite groups that I saw on television, and you know, 1:52:08.160 --> 1:52:10.479 like if you weren't in right on magazine, it wasn't 1:52:10.560 --> 1:52:13.080 like Rolling Stone was going to take the time out 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.360 to give you guys the same building that they would 1:52:15.400 --> 1:52:16.599 give like the Go Gos or. 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:22.880 That's exactly exactly Yeah, absolutely, wow, absolutely, But I'm honored 1:52:22.920 --> 1:52:27.120 to to be here really yet and that you invited 1:52:27.160 --> 1:52:29.599 me onto your show. This is like really a cool 1:52:29.840 --> 1:52:30.439 thing for me. 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:33.600 Wow. Well I'm glad you did it, you know. 1:52:33.760 --> 1:52:37.880 Yeah, Ladies and gentlemen, the the the Immortal Burnon de 1:52:38.040 --> 1:52:39.599 Cooper or in Quest Loft Supreme. 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:41.240 I thank you very much for coming. 1:52:41.600 --> 1:52:44.040 Thank you girl band. 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:50.800 Uh, Sugar Steve and fond Ticolo. Why do you have 1:52:50.840 --> 1:52:53.760 to say on behalf? Can we say goodbye for ourselves? 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:59.080 Look this is my love piece and soul dude all 1:52:59.640 --> 1:53:03.920 Sugar Steve? Yeah yeah, I'm paid. 1:53:03.920 --> 1:53:06.760 Bill, You got any last words? Tooker Steve? Yeah? 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:09.920 Bye anyway, y'all and we'll see you on the next 1:53:09.920 --> 1:53:10.479 go round. 1:53:12.080 --> 1:53:17.160 Go find yo, what's up? 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