WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Bernadette Cooper 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.920 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.119 Ladies and gentlemen. What's up? This is Quest Love and 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.600 this is another episode of Quest Love Supreme. We got 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.119 the Team Supreme with us right now, the one and 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.880 the only Sugar Steve Yo Yo. How goes it to? 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.960 Oh wow? Oh you're your shock that I actually care 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:28.800 about your well being? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.240 Yes, but no, I'm feeling good. Everything's good. So glad 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.479 to be here with Team Supreme and Burn Yeah, gonna be. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.960 Great, uh Fan Ticolo, North Carolina. Yeah, man, I'm good, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.479 brother O bit chill fighting for his uh, his his 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.800 rights and his masters and listen or as we call 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:55.600 it in the music business, Wednesday, whatever I feel you, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.840 I feel you, uh, and and our our diva that 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:09.880 he's left to. That was my f's going. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:11.000 It's good. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.240 I'm mad we ain't doing no roll call because I'm 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.000 just we were doing right now. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.280 I would really quill this. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.480 I'm just I know, man, we're gonna but by the time, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.400 hopefully someone will invent a system that will you know, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.679 fix all the latency problems or you know, for roll 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.120 call h Ladies and gentlemen, I will say that speaking 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.280 of Diva, our guest today is probably I mean, she's 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:42.120 beyond diva, she is beyond queen, she is beyond legend. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.520 She just is. And I'll say that, I know it's 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.160 hard to imagine. I'm not trying to sound like Grandpa. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.000 I noticed that, like all my tales of music starts 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.160 with the like we're back in my day. But you know, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.480 it's really it's really hard to imagine, like a like 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.880 a time period in which being in a band like 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:08.720 wasn't like a novel idea. And you know, a lot 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:13.080 can happen in thirty five years. Yes, we're now living 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.480 in the age of the solo act, and you know 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.160 a lot of these acts are chasing perfection. We're pre 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.040 recorded tracks. But I mean, there was there was a 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.600 time in history where you know, where collaboration was key. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.760 Magic came and in numbers, and it was it was 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.440 a thing to see, you know, to watch people as 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.160 a unit kick gas. And I will say that our 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.440 guest really personifies that. You know, the band that she 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:45.400 established in the late seventies, known as Climax was pretty 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.560 much you know, I'll say that kind of sort of 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.480 a nominally consisting of badass women playing instruments which you 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.080 know sad to say that again, like the fact that 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.160 that's a novelty shows you like the the sad state 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.480 of of where we are right now and music. But 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.000 you know this particular band, you know, the hits were 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.720 a plenty, one of the best puns in music. You know, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:15.520 ment all pause, the anthemic don't mess with me anthem 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:16.760 meeting in the ladies room. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.240 Not to mention because I'm not in the mood. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.519 Yeah, and the forever prom anthem from my era. This 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.440 sho so many hits, so many hits, the name Sexy Divas, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.519 Need Love to and Everything. Not to mention her work 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.960 as a producer with Cheryl Lin, Paul Abdul, Pat Metler, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.040 Shallamar and I can't wait till we start talking about 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.120 Madam X. Madame X is probably the most expensive record 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.400 I ever purchased on eBay. This before I knew that 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:52.560 you can rip songs off of YouTube. So anyway, ladies 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.000 and gentlemen, please welcome to our show the one and 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.920 only the legendary diva of all divas, Bernadette Cooper to 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.680 Quest Love Supreme. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.720 Hello, Hello, Hi christ Yo. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.680 I noticed something. When a microphone is present, I cannot 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.240 whistle my whistles. I was trying to whistle when it 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.120 was just like look like I was like blowing kisses 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:23.880 at us. Yeah. Anyway, So the Cooper, how are you today? 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:24.760 How's it going. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.320 I'm doing Wilson honor, honor to be here with all 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:28.520 of you. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.520 Thank you. What what part of the world are you 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:32.280 in right now? 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.359 Right now? I'm in Westchester right now. My studio is here. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.920 Not that, not your west Chester, My west Chester. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.080 Oh there's a west Chester, California. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:41.600 Yes. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.320 I was like, yo, you're down the block. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.240 Okay, I thought you were named. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.599 I got my studio out here. I'm working. Jerry Brown 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.159 told me to say hello, the. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:55.919 Lesendary Jerry Brown, the engineer Jerry Brown. Yes, yes, is 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.520 it Christmas in his studio right now? That guy's name 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:00.000 keeps coming. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.039 Yeah, he told me hello. He just actually he was 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.919 here working in my in my studio, I have a 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.119 mixing room and he just did. He worked on John Legend. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.360 Yeah, his Christmas. Yeah. Jerry's world famous for his his 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:19.280 Christmas decorations in the studio. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.680 The mood lamps and his lights and his candos and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.720 he brings the sexy does Okay. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.240 I've never heard his designs described as sexy, like he 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.920 always looked at the cheerful and had like when we're there, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.520 it's like it's Christmas. I feel like I should be, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.560 you know, bringing a gift or whatever. But exactly, yeah, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:44.120 you know, Uh, of course, being on the show puts 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:48.520 us in the the position of always having access to 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.320 a lot of the acts that we grew up, one 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.799 that we feel that haven't been praised enough for, haven't 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.320 gotten that much attention. And what was weird is that 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.440 I work at Rockefeller Plaza, which I consider is sort 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.799 of like a university for comedy. That's where like Seth 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.560 Meyers and The Tonight Show with Jimmy fallon Saturday Night 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.640 Live and all these these legendary New York shows are shot, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.719 and whenever Saturday Night Live is in season, I'm usually 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.599 there to watch tapings of the show. And this year 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.440 was like really something special in which just out of nowhere, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:33.200 they did this really awesome sketch. Yes, based in the 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:33.920 ladies room. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.920 I was hoping you were going to where I could follow. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.840 Yes, you know what, it's actually the second one, the 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:40.520 first one. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:46.560 Halle Berry halle Berry right right, Yeah, I totally I 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.920 remember I was laughing because it was so authentic and 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.839 so on point. Yeah, I was, you know, the audience 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.560 was laughing, but I was laughing like it was funny 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.120 and I knew the reference point, you know, whereas I 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.280 think half the audience, who was like millennials and gen 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.840 z would just thought like, oh, they're doing some crazy 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.280 eighties thing that we don't get the reference. And I 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:17.000 remember grilling Steve Higgins, who's sort of like Jimmy's sidekick 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.720 on the Tonight Show. He runs Saturday Night Live, and 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.760 I just grilled him like, yo, like you guys did 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.040 such a deep cut inside joke that like who who 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.880 in your audience do you think we're really remember like climax, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.520 and the very specifics of like you know, Cecily Strong 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.800 playing the Bernadette Cooper role and Leslie playing like it was. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.240 It was so on point. I was really impressed, and 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.920 I wanted to meet the Riders and they were just like, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.080 you know, we like music too, and we go outside 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.000 the box, even though they were young riders. I was 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.800 really impressed that that they gave you guys, like really 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.480 a really good shout out for your legacy, like that 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.400 sketch is going to go you know down I feel 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.480 like that will be on their sizzle real way down 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.280 the line. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.280 Yeah, it was great. When I started, it was you know, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.760 you know, I watched Saturday Night Live every night, every 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.720 Saturday night. Yeah, and to sit there in bed, you know, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.440 you got your popcorn and all of a sudden, bam, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.320 It's like, oh wow, it was great. It was a 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:15.400 great honor and. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.040 You didn't know it was coming that. That's awesome, isn't. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.280 It Isn't that good from a license and perspective too, right, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.000 Like when they do something like that burned, that is 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:22.440 a good thing. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.160 You for real, you know sometimes you know when royalty 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.680 time comes, you know, then I would really know. Sometimes 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.040 sometimes it is and sometimes you. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.439 Know, sometimes it's just sparks sales people, and. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.480 I don't call them up and go, hey, where's my check. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.880 I don't do that. I just I just kind of 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.480 enjoyed the moment and and you know, I'm honored. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.480 Yeah. Yeah, I think like when when it's done in parody, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.560 it's not the same as like clearing a sample. Wow, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.559 they're kind of they're kind of parody laws that, but 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.320 I think they actually did meeting in the ladies. Yeah, right, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.120 they did the Yeah, so it's just it's like a 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:03.040 standard payment thing. But hopefully that plant seeds with you know, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:08.840 with an audience, and they'll do the research and record. Yeah, 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.920 and that's how that's how legends. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.360 Are made, and promoters will will remember that we're here. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.920 Yes, Oh wow, I didn't think about that. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.400 So many questions about that, So I would like to 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.480 know because I really don't, you know, besides like the 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.400 occasional coverage and like Ride On magazine shout out to 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.760 Cynthia Horner, I really don't know. I mean, there's not 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:35.080 there haven't been that much in depth interviews with you guys, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.640 even though you guys were doing the numbers. You guys 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:43.480 were like doing massive pop hits. So I'm glad that 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.040 we finally have this chance to talk to you. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:46.000 Uh, thank you. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.920 We were you born in Los Angeles? 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:54.959 Yes? I was born in Los Angeles, lived in Compton, Inglewood, Hollywood, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.480 grew up in mainly you know. After after high school, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.320 I moved to the Hollywood area and I of there 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.120 and beach Wood King and did all of that. So, yes, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.000 Los Angeles. Then I moved to New York for ten years. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.319 Yeah, can you tell us? Can you tell me what 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.560 your first musical memory was. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:18.080 Wow, when you say musical memory like band. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.920 That I know just from as a baby, Like what 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.240 like their very first musical memory as a child. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.800 Of course, you know, Rita Franklin was my was my 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.400 played in my household when there was happy times, when 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.160 they were sad times. So Rita was a person that 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.520 I used to listen to and follow her lyrics and 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.280 her and her vocal movements and her hooks and and 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.640 it made me a better writer by the Rita Franklin songs. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:56.079 And then of course moving on Dio Daddo. Remember Dio Daddo. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.240 it was a little bit of all those guys. Jeff Beck, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.080 you know, I really got into that scene and kind 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.400 of in the high school, junior high school era. But yeah, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:07.120 I would. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:12.520 Say what was your what was the family record collection, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.680 like in your household as part of what was the 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.160 what was what was the established records that were in 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.360 your house? But then I want to know what was 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.320 the album that you purchased with your own money, Like 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.640 this is something I want out out of your parents. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.400 Range Areta Gladys, you know Ray Charles, that was the 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.960 songs that were be being played in my host So 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.560 what I when I went out in about were songs like, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.439 as I said, the Theodaddo's, the I got really into 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.840 the I Cantina Turner. I really loved them. You know, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.160 it's not really much when I look back, it kind 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.440 of I had a range of people that I really 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.560 really loved, Michael Henderson. All those kind of people are 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.680 the people I used to come home from high school 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:57.440 and listen to. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.280 In your household, were you like, did you have other siblings? 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.560 Like how was this music passed down? Was like older 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.400 cousins or older siblings that put you onto it? Or No? 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.520 I didn't really have a musical household, you know, other 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.000 than the songs I just mentioned that were played, you know, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.080 which was ata. I got more into it when I 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.719 was with the church and then my Yeah, and then 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.400 as far as playing the drums is concerned, my mom 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.880 married the preacher and he had a drum set, and 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:33.719 I started practicing every day. Story yeah, O drama and 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.360 I started practicing every day, and I taught myself how 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:37.240 to play drums. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.160 Why did drums. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:44.160 Because they were there? I mean, really, it wasn't. It 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.079 wasn't like a passion or love or I want to 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.160 play the drum. They happened to be there, and I 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.000 kind of geared towards it, and my brother started playing 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.079 the bass. That we were together in the garage, practicing 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.800 every day, and he probably made me a more powerful 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.120 drummer because he really puts, you know. And then we 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:07.000 played in the church band, and that's my early beginning 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.679 musical life. Then of course, created a group called Blue Ice, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.640 which was in junior high school with Michael Northfleet. You 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:15.960 know Michael northfleid. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.839 Right, I know this name, but for our listeners, can 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.120 you tell Michael Northlee. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.240 He's a keyboard player, Chucky Booker, you know Chucky Booker, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.200 Michael north Fleet. All those guys are kind of like 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.240 that same vibe. So I started a band in junior 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.960 high school called Blue Ice. Horn section had a guy 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.480 like like Mike, uh, James Brown. We won all the 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.800 contests because he was James Brown. And then we had 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.280 a girl drummer. Oh no, we want everything. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.280 So you were always in those battle the band things 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:46.840 in high. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.240 School and junior yes, yes, and you were always in 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.640 diverse bands too, like yes, one of. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.440 The diverse bands. And then uh, then I took a 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.680 love in high school, I started learning how to write 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.760 because I'm really kind of a musician who play and 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.280 I create by ear and I kind of hear it 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.600 in my head and I play it. And I learned 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.560 how to play read music in high school and that's 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.720 where the early beginnings started. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:21.440 Even even back then, did you have a yearning or 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.360 did you feel that there was a need for a 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.520 band of all women, because I think by that point, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.680 when I was a kid, the only band that I 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.320 saw that had like women playing an equal role in 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.480 the instrumentation I'm in, besides signing the family Stone, which 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.160 you know, it is kind of mind blowing for people 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.400 to see like a trumpet player and a keyboard player. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.880 But I remember growing up watching there was a Philly 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.560 group called Ecstasy, Passion and Pain and they had they 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:55.120 had a drummer named Cookie, and I was really impressed, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.920 like asking my mom, like, yo, girls can play drums too, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.160 Like did they act like that was a novelty or 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.400 was it just normal? Because normally when you think of 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.240 a drummer, it's always a man behind the skins or whatever. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.280 It's like very unusual for certain instruments to be played 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.720 by women. Be it like a trombone or like, it's 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.840 like things you don't see. But were people making a 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.160 big deal of that? And did you take advantage of 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.760 the fact that, And did you play any other instruments 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:22.120 as well? 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.200 No, And what you just said is the reason why 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.520 it came to mind. But there was a void, you know. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.480 One day, you know, just in my lower, my young mind, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.080 I said, wow, there's not a lot of female musicians. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.880 I said it would be great to create an all 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:42.400 girl band. And then watching LaBelle really really I love LaBelle, okay, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.280 and I watched them and I saw the excitement that 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.240 that everybody had when these girls got on stage. And 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:49.960 you know, I'm one of those kind of people who 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.120 cry when I see things that you're so unusual that, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.400 you know, and they would they would just move me. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.400 And I said, one day, it would be great to 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.360 put together on our girl band. And I mean people 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.080 ask me this question all the time. I don't really 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.360 have an incredible answer other than that I think it 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.720 was meant to be. And they just kind of came 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.960 to me. And this low young girl who had this 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.240 idea started checking the yellow pages, remember the yellow paces, yes, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:24.360 and trying to look for other musicians calling radio record 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.560 labels and asking them, Hey, would you guys be interested 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.720 in an all girl band, you know, And finally one 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.560 record company said, yes, we would be. I have an idea. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:36.640 That's how it started. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.960 Wait a minute, that's how you got into the because 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.680 we have a billion questions about Dick Griffy. But okay, 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:45.880 that's how that's started. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.040 No, No, not Dick Griffy yet. It's another label. This 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.760 was another label and another lady. It was a lady 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.160 by the name of who was the an R person 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.280 at this particular so it wasn't I forgot the name 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.720 of the record was a sous cell watched radio record label. Anyway, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.840 she was the an R person. She says, come, I 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.040 want to meet with you about this concept that you have. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.800 So we met and she says I'm interested. Her and 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.320 I together, she kind of. She and the record label 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.040 funded my idea for a while, and I started looking 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.800 for girls through the recycler paper. I started rehearsing these girls, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.280 and I turned the studio in Inglewood, which I have 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:29.119 great stories about it. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.600 Yeah, because I was like them. You was a fan 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.440 and then a circle back. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.040 I love it, okay, yeah, yeah, And I turned the 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.119 studio and I started like she she really kind of 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:38.920 funded this and she, I don't know, she was coming 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.240 up with the money to help me with this idea. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.280 And I said, I have a great name for the band. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.959 She said, let me know what the band is. I said, Climax. 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.679 She says, I love it spelled with the k l 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.640 y m ax. She says, I love the whole concept 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.439 of it. And that's how you know, That's how the 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.480 seed was planted. And then from there we went on. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.280 A little bit because also a recurring theme on the 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:10.359 show Our Tales from the Ike Turner Studio UNEs from 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.399 Charlie about. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.679 Steve wonder So Bollick Studios. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.520 If yes, I could talk, Yeah, what was happening at 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:21.120 that studio? 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.200 You know? I would pipe pole. He would peek in 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.239 every once in a while after rehearsals. You know, we 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.560 weren't that good, you know, we didn't really get good 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.960 too later on in life, but we were playing and 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.400 we were trying, and we were dedicated. So he would 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.240 peep in. And he had a bodyguard at that time. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.840 I forgot the gentleman's name, but he took a liking 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.520 to me the bodyguard, and we became friends. We would 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.240 talk all the time. This is important. I'm gonna get 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.600 back to that these stories. Yeah, the one time that 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.479 that I finally said. He came into the studio and 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.520 he looked around and he looked at me, and then 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.720 the guy let's call him this team Okay, ok, not 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.520 sugar Steve, but she said, let's stee. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.320 So he says, he. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.679 Says, I want you to talk to you. Come in 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.520 if he wants you to into the front studio, because 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.040 you know, the rehearsal studios were on the side of 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.080 the building. So I said okay, and the girls were 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.960 kind of looking at me, and I go, I'll be back. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.800 And I went in and I'm going to tell this story. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.040 We're not gonna We're not gonna mess around here. So 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.960 I went in there and I came in. I was 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.680 holding his pipe. He was getting high, and he goes, here, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.000 I want you to hit this right, and I go, well, 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.240 I don't do drugs and I don't drink. I don't 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.479 do any of that. He goes, I said, hit it. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.679 Hit this pipe right, Look at. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.359 That Mary and Barry. That's how it happened. Go ahead, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:46.960 I'm sorry. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.560 And he said hit the pipe and I was like, no, 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.320 I don't do and he says, I said that. He 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.120 got really aggressive with me. He said no, he says, 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.439 you're good. He said, you're really good on the drums. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.040 You're gonna go somewhere and he goes hit the pipe 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.159 and there's Steve said, man, leave her alone. She's a 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.879 good girl. Man leave her alone. And I listened to 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.920 him and he just excused hit me out of there. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.760 The rehearsal studio. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.680 Wow, individuals on that one. If it was the guy 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.120 was it? Was it Frau in the West Love got 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.159 to do with the movie. McBride's character Frosts. It was 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.000 like his guy. I wonder if it was him. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.560 He was kind of a big guy. Yeah, yeah, yes, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.920 and he he saved me that day because I would 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.920 have been a different girl today. Wow, you know, but yeah, 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.399 but I had to tell the story the way it happened. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:40.840 There's no way of sugar coat. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.840 In that, no niceties, know, like hey, what's your name? 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:45.480 And no, no, no, no, it was just like here 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:46.800 hit this, hit that. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.040 Yeah. Well, he gave me a compliment first, he told 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.840 me I was good, I'm going to be good and 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:53.040 all of this kind of stuff. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:53.240 You know. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.240 I guess that was the soften me up a little bit. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.200 And I was like, no, sir. You know, I was 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:03.600 very respectful and I said, I no, sir, I don't. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:04.000 I don't. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.760 I don't do drugs. I don't, I don't. I don't 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:07.240 want to do that. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:07.880 Thank God. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.520 I'm because in a twenty twenty one America like Ike 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.600 Turner would not have existed with his studio it being successful, 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.720 people going to him being able to say that to you, like. 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.960 Oh, no, what exists. It's still it's still going on. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:27.040 Yeah. I was gonna say, like, I'm sad to say that. Probably, Yes, 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.000 it's still going it's. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.600 Still going on. I mean, look at them. I'm just 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.479 look at all the entertainers who are dying. You know 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.400 that's true. There's still a culture. There's a drug thing. 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:39.199 It is a drug call. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:39.920 We just don't. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.679 We just don't know it because we don't, we're not 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:41.960 in it. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.920 I'm at the misogynistic part of that, that the way 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.320 he approached you and everything like that still happens. 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.200 It still happens. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.520 I was going to say, how how hard is it 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.760 to be taken seriously in a time in which the 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:02.000 even the idea of being a mumusician. A female musician 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:08.080 is such a rarity, like how are you able to 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.840 be taken seriously where it's just like, nah, I'm not 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.919 messing with Bernard at Cooper you know, Well, did you 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.160 have to invent that character that we we know because 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.200 you have this don't mess with me sort of stance 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:21.760 with you? 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.119 Well, I do have an alter ego, you know, and 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.040 that would be my alter ego. The other the real 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.760 Bernie in the Cooper is very shy and very I'm 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.240 a very cluse and I'm really kind of like in 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.920 this character. I created this, this other character to get 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.199 me through I guess, you know, as I said, a 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:39.840 lot of this stuff was meant to be. I can't 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.919 really go oh. I created this character because of this, 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.639 you know. And it was also a shield that I 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:50.560 used to deal with a lot of family mental abuse 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.160 and not really sharing in my dream. So I said, Okay, 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.800 I'm going to create this character strong superwoman because I 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.199 got to get make I gotta make it to the 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.000 next day, you know. So I created this character, and 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.240 this character went on to work. She became the slattin girl. Yeah, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.479 you know, and I and I look good all that stuff. 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.439 It's really about loving yourself. It has nothing to do 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.520 with physical appearance. But you have to be a diva 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:15.840 to understand that, you know. 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:17.920 I'm just curious if you believed it at the time. 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:18.719 Were you just saying it? 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.560 No, no, no, I was saying it from another from 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.680 an inner perspective. I wasn't saying I know, I'm the cute. 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:27.760 I was saying it because I had to find strength 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:32.520 and going forward in this world by myself with my dream. 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.399 So I created this character and to achieve that, you know, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.040 and that character is still here. I'm still very cluse. 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:42.359 I'm still a very cluse. 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.240 But they're still working together, the characters. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:48.040 We don't know that though, right, don't tell us how 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:52.560 the sausages made, like we exactly. So, Yeah, I was 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:57.679 going to ask, you know, oftentimes, especially in black households, 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.960 you know, survival, you know, hooker crook, his job one, 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.720 that's what parents think, like get something to fall back on. Yeah, 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.879 get a good paying job, that sort of thing. Like 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:14.200 we're well, you kind of answered it, but what was 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.240 your family's feelings on you pursuing this dream or was 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.680 it like like you got to the age of nineteen 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.680 to make it or else, you know, you got to 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.600 work at the post office. Like did they give you 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:31.280 ultimatums or were they quasi nurturing, you know? Or were 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:31.960 they church people? 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.840 They it was a little bit of all of it. 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.760 The bottom line is that they weren't feeling it. Nobody, 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:44.280 and you know I was. My plan was to go 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.719 to law school and become an attorney and to do that. 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.879 And they were kind of like all behind me for 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.239 a mail car and took care of me and all 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.720 that stuff. But one day, sitting and my accounting class, 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.960 which was an elective that I had to take, which 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.919 I was sitting there looking at the my teacher like, 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.240 I don't want to be here anymore. I want to 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.399 play the drums. I want to be in a band. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.639 I'm never coming back again. So I got up and 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.840 I left in my class and I said, that's when 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:16.440 I began my search for the all girl band. Yeah, 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.159 there was coped. Well you know what it was. You 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.080 have to understand that I was an honest student. So 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.960 I got out of high school fast. Yeah, yeah, so I. 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.280 Was kind of which high school did you go to? 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.119 I went to Compton and Inglewood High School. I graduated 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.960 from Inglewood High School. I went to Compton my what 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.640 ninth and tenth, my tenth and eleventh grade, and then 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.240 I graduated. My mother moved to Inglewood and I graduated 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:42.000 from Inglewood. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:46.480 Okay, so I gotta know what, you know, when most 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:52.640 of us here, especially us non California natives here about Compton, 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.240 of course we start just thinking the legend of whatever 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.560 NWA was painting about what Compton was represented. 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:05.840 Yea until them patris Patrius Russian Patrisse Russianlass. 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.840 Yeah, yeah, she was, she was. She actually was a lot, 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.640 but she was. And then Hayt was funny. They were 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.480 out during that time. They were out during that time. 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.720 So that probably influenced me a little bit too as 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:20.680 far as the girl concept as well. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:26.560 Okay, but what what was your high school like in like? 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:30.480 Was it a nurturing environment? Was it more Jill Clark 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.119 lean on me dangerous? 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.080 You know, I have to say this, And you know 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.720 I was a tar baby, a tar baby, right, that 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:44.640 was the the the logo was the tar baby. But 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.600 those are the most wonderful years of my life in 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.080 Compton High School with the most wonderful Yeah, and that's 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.919 when the gang started. Shooting. Finally that started when I 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.800 was in school. That started happening, the shooting, and then 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.560 and and what was in the shooting and what kind 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:05.479 of drugs was in then? Uh good? No, no no, no, 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:09.080 the one before that people Heroine No no, no no, 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:15.000 it was Angel Angel dust started everybody was. That's how 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.960 I got into the That's when I got into the 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.800 music class. That's where I started meeting new friends. That's 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.600 where I felt love. Nobody had nothing, so nobody wasn't 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.879 trying to act like they had nothing, you know. So 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.000 that was a wonderful place to me for me, and 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.640 then my mother moved to Inglewood and I was kind 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.320 of all alone, you know, all alone. I didn't really 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.800 you know, so I graduated from high school early and 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.960 I was able to, you know, go to college. 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.280 Yeah, not being from California, you realize how far those 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:44.200 two places are. 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.040 You don't realize how far those two places are from 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:46.400 each other. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.680 What Inglewood and Compton. 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:54.360 Just as culturally, it just seemed like yes culture, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.320 I think to an outsider though, like I would think 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.080 that the schools were more closer to Joe Clark's Lean 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.560 On Me, where you might not live the end of 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.919 the school day. But was it that dire or is 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.080 that just Hollywood? 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.600 No, during that time, it wasn't that dire. 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.600 P she pre that. I me remember. 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:15.960 And it's funny if you watch I don't know if 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.440 y'all when you watch them, that was them, right. They 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.480 came out over the COVID where they showed Compton before 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.719 Burnard death generation when it was like white folks, just 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:26.800 straight suburbs. 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.840 Know, it was it was cool, you know, I think 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.040 I think there was one gunshot nextwreaked everybody out. That's 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.479 why my mother moved to Inglewood. Yeah. It just drugs 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.240 angeled us. That's pretty much it. And the rest of 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.479 it was like a great experience for me. I had friends. 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.080 You know, you're talking about a loaner who made friends. 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.240 You know, I lived in Compton for one year as 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.200 a baby, but you know, I don't have any memories 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.280 as a two year older. But I do have a 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.000 photo of me at a crypt meeting. 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.120 Because all my cousins, so. 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.640 I had a bandana and the Derby. 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.160 On you could have been a clip. I could have 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:03.720 been you. 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.400 Know, no, I was, I was you know, they were 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:13.720 trying to crip me up. Yeah, brought me to the meetings. 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.560 Can you tell me what the audition process or at 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.480 least what were you looking for in the audition process 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:28.280 that basically brought like Joyce and Lynn, Lorena and Sheryl 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.960 and uh well, Robin Robin. 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.320 There were a lot of different versions of Climax before 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.160 I got to thank you for saying this. 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:37.959 Yeah, I was going to say that. I think there 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.239 were seven women on the was down with the hot 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:42.240 air balloon the first one. 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:46.120 I mean, even before that, and I was I was 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.600 still in the narrowing down process. Yeah, I mean even 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.240 when we you know, before Climax, all the Climax, it was. 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.680 I was smart enough to know, and I don't know 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.600 how I got this knowledge that the girls had to 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:04.239 be certain kind of girls in order for radio dis 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.360 Jock with the DJs to play on music, right, So 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.280 I was looking for sexy, I was looking for femininity. 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.200 I was looking for girls who could play and now 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.800 you know, and we had a camaraderie, so you know, 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.600 First it was Cooley, who I found from another band, 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.680 and she was playing with a band with her boyfriend, 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.400 and I talked to her and too joining us. And 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.680 then it was Lynn Marsby. They came a lot of 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.520 them came. It was a people called the Recycler where 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.760 you could put an ad in for twenty five dollars 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:38.160 or however much, and then people would respond to and call, hey, 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.520 I play guitar, you know. Then we had Jeannie Cunningham 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.160 was the first guitar player. Then came show Coolly actually, 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.200 and then how we arrived at the climax that we 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.600 are now, It was show on first, and then it 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:54.440 came Lynn came in through an audition. I believe she 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:59.880 came in from the Recycler paper. Then there were the 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.160 couple other girls in the group who I knew from Compton, 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:09.080 who I eventually, how can I say, I eventually let 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.640 them go and I found new girls. Joyce Soby didn't 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.240 come into the group until after our first album, and 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.520 we had a contract style we already had a recording 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.520 deal when she came into the group. Because I fired 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.360 the bass player. Now why I fired the bass player, 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.360 I can't exactly remember the reason. It was a conga 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.360 player and a bass player got rid of them because 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.360 for some reason or another, and mister Griffy came to me, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.400 he goes on. This was after you guys want to 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:36.080 get to that point. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:37.320 No, no, we take your time. 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.160 Don't take you time. Love stories stories you never told before. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.680 So yeah, I mean mister Griffy. You know me and 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.640 mister Griffy. Oh, I loved him. He was a wonderful, 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.240 wonderful gentleman. And I mean yeah, I mean to me. 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.120 I don't know anybody else's experience, but he gave me 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.080 my first opportunity as a writer a producer. And you know, 0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:59.960 without him, I would not be talking to a quest 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:05.560 luck Okay, bottom line, bottom line, Okay, this man would 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.760 not only that, he would take us out to dinner 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:12.040 and teach us about wine and my first taste aid escargo. 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.680 He was a wonderful guy. He would call me up 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.120 and talk to me about the band. He was a 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.800 wonderful guy. And he called me up. He goes, you know, 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.520 why'd you fire the bass player? I really loved the 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.320 bass I thought the bass player was cool. And I go, well, 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.480 because for this reason, He goes, well, we're gonna do now. 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:30.280 So we talked about it and he said, hey, I 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.040 remember this girl, uh In Fayevielle, North Carolina, who keeps 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.680 you know, kept giving me. Yeah, who kept giving me 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.960 a tape. Who kept giving me a tape and all 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.400 these things, and I go. He goes, I'm gonna bring 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:42.920 her out here, and I want you to let me 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.480 know what you think. So I said, okay. He brought 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.880 her out. She seemed cool. Everything was good, you know, 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.120 she played the bass, He came to rehearsals. She was 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.120 a nice girl, everything was cool. He says, what do 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.680 you think? I said, can we just try her out 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.720 for a little while. He goes, no, we need to 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.640 move forward. We got the contract. I can't. We got 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.320 to get somebody stable in the group. So that's how 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:08.880 Joyce Sophie got signed, right, Yeah, yes. 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:13.320 Sir, did you know thatte Oh yeah, oh yeah. When 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:14.640 I was a kid. Now, when I was a kid, 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.280 I mean, I don't know her from Fairville. I was 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.720 like five, but yeah, but I remember like all the 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.720 stations around the station we used to listen to when 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.680 I lived with my grandparents back in Robinson County. They 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.400 would always like when they played climax joints, they would 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:32.400 shout out Joyce and they was like, shout out yeah, 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.760 they she got mad love, yeah yeah. 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.520 And then Lorena came in one day from a rehearsal. 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.080 She was on her way to by word of mouth. 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.200 Someone said, hey, they're looking for a lead vocally. She 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.120 came in and blew me away, and she got hired. 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.440 She got hired on the spot, and she became the voice. 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.640 Climax is is it always? Okay? 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:51.840 Now? 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.360 I mentioned that you you know, you said you fired 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.160 the bass player. But because it's such a rare, it's 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.440 such a rare to get memory fired is. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.360 Such a harsh word. Let's just say it didn't blend 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.799 in with the concept. Okay, so I fired her. 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.920 But I just meant, was there always a concern or 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:16.400 fear that if you let a member go the amount 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.200 of work that you got to put in to find 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.239 someone that really fits a very specific criteria that will 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.239 make the band work? Like, is that always concerned? 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:27.719 We were young? I was young. I didn't You didn't 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.080 think about those kinds of things when you're young. But 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.360 you know, I just I don't know. I wasn't thinking 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.480 about that. It's just the concept. It just wasn't blending in. Uh, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.080 And I didn't think about it. I just was like, 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.680 it's not working. And then mister Griffy was like, well, 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.640 what are we going to do now, you know, and 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:46.480 we figured it out. 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.239 Did you start to develop your own band. 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:53.319 Rules as you Oh, we had rules, Yes, we had rules. 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.840 Come on me a good one. 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.640 God, you guys are asking me that. I gotta think 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.360 way back. I mean, you know stuff, you know, you 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.240 know X amount of dollars fifty two dollars, five dollars 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.719 if you get the ban rehearsal late. You know, you know, 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:13.480 you know, you're fine, fine, fine, you know you know 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.799 we this is pre Joyce because that's another you know, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:25.000 the original band, which was Lorena Show Coolly, Lynn Mars, 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:29.680 Robin Grider and myself, we struggled. We were such a unit. 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.279 We were so dedicated in the vision and trying to 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.839 achieve this recording deal. You know, we we starved. I 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:42.680 was kissing the the the rehearsal studio owner, trying to 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.799 get more studio time. We were doing whatever we needed 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:46.840 to do this. 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:51.719 These lyrics are okay, we. 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.160 Just just a kiss and get. 0:35:55.080 --> 0:36:00.920 You more, all right, kids, I kiss got is two hours? 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:10.920 Yes, about okay, I get it. 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.719 Those were they were really pecks. They were. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:16.600 Yeah. 0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:20.600 He was the older cancel guy, mister Cooper, mister Cooper, 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.680 and you know Uh. Yeah, I don't know how that evolved. 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.160 I don't know how that happened. One day he just said, hey, 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.319 you know, and I was like, okay, can we get 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.160 some studio time? 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:36.799 Sometimes you got to you what you got? 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:39.880 Two pecks got his four hours? 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:49.720 Okay, wait, you you mentioned uh the legendary uh President 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:55.400 Solar Griffy. Can you can you describe because I also 0:36:55.560 --> 0:37:00.200 know that those nightclubs, like the Total Experienced Nightclub and 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.799 all those spots that are on Crenshaw was rather legendary 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:09.160 for a lot of those developing acts. Could you basically 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:16.439 describe what like black LA nightlife was as far as 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:21.040 like seeing bands and interacting with other bands and just 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.160 in general, Like I came up in a time my 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.359 time period of LA, pretty much the center of all 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:33.279 the action was in West Hollywood on Sunset which I 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:37.000 was told that was never happening like before, like nineteen 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.920 ninety five where you had to go. So if it 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.960 is nineteen eighty one eighty two, where am I going 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.640 to see like the bands I like? And where y'all 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:48.360 hanging at? 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:49.480 Wow? 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.359 If you're not on Sunset Boulevard, Like, were they open 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:54.960 to black people then back then? 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.759 Or I'm sitting here trying to search the name of 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.000 this club that was in Compton. It was a club 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.680 that Easy and Then performed in and they showed it 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:10.280 on their movie in the beginning. Yeah, I can't remember 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.800 the name of that club, but you know, I popped 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.360 in here and there. There wasn't any particular clubs. I 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.120 think the Roxy. Every once in a while you'll get 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.560 a good deal a band happening in like in West Hollywood. 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.239 Let me think, I'm trying to think where did we go? 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.160 But were you part of the Total Experience night club? 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.040 Or was that like more of a seventies mid seventies thing. 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.239 It was the seventies and eighties, But I was just 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.440 kind of like, you know, into my my thing. I 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.080 didn't really do a going a lot of going I 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.279 which I did go to the Total Experience. I saw, 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.239 you know, I saw the dramatics. I saw the dramatics 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:44.240 wo Experience. 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.800 Yeah, and then how big is that nightclub? 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.640 It was? It was a nice size, maybe about five. 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.759 Hundred people, so establish acts was that the House of 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.640 the Blues? The House of the Blues? Was that sort 0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.840 of the House of Blues of its day? 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:00.799 Yes, it was. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.399 Okay, so no act was too big or too small. 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.040 You can see Rufers and Chaka Khan at the Total Experience. 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.680 And then Maverick Flats Okay remember that. Yeah, people used 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.160 to go there dance. Every once in a while there 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.560 will be a band or two, you know. Yeah, and 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.560 then you know you you went to the Forum and 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.719 then you went to the the all the who was it? 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.319 The San Diego Jazz Festival? That was That was the 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:28.319 thing I used to enjoy going to and seeing. 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:32.440 How did the deal with so our Records come to be? 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.840 How did you get the attention of. 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:41.480 A We did a we did a demo and the 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.799 demo was sent to many record labels, and one of 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:50.359 the labels was so Lark Records. And the lady there 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.560 Margaret Nash. Margaret Nash got a hold of the demo, 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.600 which to mister Griffy, she was, what's the guy I 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:04.080 can think I can see cleaning now? She was Johnny 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:09.000 Nashley's ex wife. Okay, she worked at Solar. So she 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.759 went to Dick Griffy and said, hey, you gotta hear 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.200 about these girls. You got to see these girls, you know, 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.560 you got to check it out. She came down to rehearsals. 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.799 Saw Ius went back and told Dick with me. Next 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.799 thing we know, Dick Griffy was walking into rehearsals. I 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.400 see he walked in and he said he looked, he 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:30.600 saw we were playing. Oh there's freaky good. Oh he 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.480 was smiling. He left and he says, uh. Before he left, 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.480 he says, I'm gonna sign your go for a record deal. 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:37.440 That's it. 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.200 You were fine with that? Like so I seemed like 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:43.120 a logical. 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.680 Spot for you to Yeah, no one else was asking, 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.279 you know, and it was the first thing. And that's 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.600 what our attorney said. Hey, not the best deal in 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.239 the world. What other deal do you have? You know, 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.799 you get in, you make it happen, which is the 0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:00.000 famous run swinging. You get in, you make it happen. 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:01.720 Moron Sweeney was your lawyer. 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:03.400 Yes, we were his first client. 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:07.400 What Yeah, legendary wyn Sweeney. 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.880 Okay, Legendary Sweeney. And he said, what else do you have? 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.280 He said, you get in, you get a hit record, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.200 and you make changes when that. 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:19.799 Happens to renegotiate then, was it was it easy to 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.920 renegotiate with once we got a hit? 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:28.120 Yeah, I mean, I just not not that I'm fishing 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.239 for stories. But it's just just like depending on who 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:37.640 comes on our show, there's various degrees of Dick Griffy's stories. 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:38.840 And she says she got stories. 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.080 I guess I could say that. I'm led to believe 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.280 that he was sort of like the the proto Sugar 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.680 Knight of his day, no groom, Sugar. 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.680 Sugar was his bodyguard. That's how I met Si Knight. 0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:00.440 Sug used to be Digri's bodyguard. No mist you know, listen, 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.560 I don't know if anyone else's experienced, you know, with 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.840 mister Griffy. I can just tell you that he was 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.239 kind to me, and he was kind to us, you know, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.480 I mean, did we get this or that? I don't 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:16.000 I'm not quite sure. But he he he was there. 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.319 We were at every meeting. We talked about things, we 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.239 discussed the men all paws, and we did it. He 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.840 didn't want to do it at first, you know, he said, 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.439 I'm not doing no song about mental pause. 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.600 And then the Lord he gets real complicated. 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.120 Yes, my mom too thought you guys were thinking about menopause. 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:35.480 So did he? 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.719 That was like, do you not know what a pun is? People? 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:38.640 Particularly? 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.480 So did he? We broke it down and I was saying, no, 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.919 it's the men all paused. When I walked into the room, 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.160 he started smiling. Next thing, you know that the record 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.279 was on the album. 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.160 I see when did the when the. 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.920 Beginning? And it became our first hit. We didn't even 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.360 know it because by that time, you know, there was 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.520 a couple filled albums. We were trying to figure out 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.720 what we were going to do with the next phase 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.400 of our life. You know, we were I'm going to 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:08.480 go back to school. 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.640 Ahead, can I wait? I don't want to glide by 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.240 those two records because it's two portant well one important 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.279 factor with you guys working with Jimmy and Terry. But 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.799 what I want to know is, you know of the 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:27.279 acts that were on the label, between Lakeside and Midnight Star, 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:33.400 Carrie Lucas, the Whispers and whatnot, they like the common 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.480 the common factor or the common denominator of most of 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.000 those acts that were hip makers of Solar was the 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:48.160 production of Leon Silvers. Yes, and I was shocked. I 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.160 came aboard on meeting in the ladies room, and then 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.440 eventually I found out that you guys had two other records, 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.719 and then I went and brought those and you know, 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.440 I saw like Otis Stokes and you know, the cats 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:02.359 from from Lakeside, and I always wanted to know, like, 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.719 why didn't you guys work with Leon Silvers who was 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.480 clearly giving everyone out, you know, handing out hits like hotcakes. 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.520 At the time, Leon didn't want to work with us, 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.680 and it could be because he was so busy, you know, 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.960 or he didn't really express an interest in working with us. 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:26.040 You know, did you guys ask him? 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.880 I'm sure something, probably, I'm not quite sure I didn't 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.080 ask him. You know, I don't know if Dick, I'm 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.759 sure asked them. You know, I don't think he you know, 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.320 we passed him every day we saw him in the studio. 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.880 He didn't really have an express an interest in wanting 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.320 to work with us, so he brought in Oldest Stokes, 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.520 which was like working with Oldis and then was cool, 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:51.319 but it just wasn't the direction that we wanted to 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.680 go in. We were more independent. We were young girls, 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:57.680 but we were like really independent and fun. Oh just 0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:59.279 kind of wanted to put us in a box of 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.239 you know, of your typical I'm your woman and you're 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.360 my man, and I'll do whatever you want me to 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.320 do kind of thing right, And we were like, no, 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.520 we don't really know. I'm not doing that. I'm not 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.520 gonna do that. So, you know, it took us a while. 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.160 Didn't take us. It took us. We had to get 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.279 with Jimmy and Terry to find a voice. That's when 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.000 we found our voice. They encouraged that. 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:25.399 So can you describe what working with Jimmy and Terry, 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.560 you know and like for for the second album, The 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.280 Girls will Be Girls record some really like great songs 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.320 on there that just never really got the push. 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.240 And I'm kind of glad. I'm glad, kind of glad 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:43.720 because it wasn't us. Yeah, well you know up into Jimmy. 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:48.000 Do you have Jimmy and Terry? Yes, yeah, no, they 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.920 came in with they didn't do Girls were good. There 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.600 was there was Odi Stokes. 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.080 Well I meant the album. I know that they they 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:56.840 wrote wild. 0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:01.400 Girls right, Yeah, Okay, that's when they came in and 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:06.359 they came in. They were sneaking away from friends and 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.000 they were like, you know, it was all they were doing. 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.640 So we were the first band that I think they 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.000 worked with, either us or the S O S Band. 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:15.080 I really don't remember you. 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:16.360 Guys, were technically first. 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:20.400 Yeah, we were in the room when Prince called and 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:22.920 fired him found out they were working with us. He 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.080 called her up and they came out the room. They said, 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.839 we just got fired. Well, oh, I guess we can 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:33.399 start our new career now, you know. But yes, yes, 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:38.040 and no. Hey, it was wonderful. It was like a 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.520 breath of fresh air because here are these guys who 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:44.160 praised the mistakes. Okay, you know, we're going to keep that. 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.120 It's a mistake, We're going to keep it, you know. 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.400 And I was the one who was always writing songs, 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.520 and they fell in love with all my songs. They 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.799 were like, let's do burning that Cooper songs, you know, 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.560 telling Dick you should be doing these songs. These are 0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:59.640 the songs you should be doing. Because all of that, 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.920 I know I'm looking good. That's the way we used 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.040 to talk on a daily base. I walk into the studio, 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:08.240 I know I'm looking good, you know. And they wanted 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.600 to put all of that onto tape. And that's what 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.799 they started doing. They were taking a lot of my 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.880 songs and putting on the tape and encouraging us to 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.600 write the things that we really feel and we really love. 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:22.319 So that's what they did. 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:22.960 That's good. 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.240 So when we got introduced to y'all, we was getting 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.160 introduced to y'all for real. 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:27.680 Everybody else thought they knew y'all. 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:30.959 When when Networker came out with meeting in the ladies 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.560 room in the mental pause, I mean, because we kind 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:36.799 of went to school with wild girls. That was I mean, 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:42.680 that was Terry Lewis. That was them kind of experimenting 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.600 with us, trying to help us find our sounds, and 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.920 they got it. It just didn't hit, that's all, you know. 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.840 But by the time they moved on and Jick was 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.799 he was he was available. His ears were available at 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:58.680 that time to listen to the things that we really 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:02.000 had because La Jimmy I hit Keeps Down and everything. 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.000 Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis encouraged him to open his 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:08.400 ears and listen to the tracks that I was writing 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:10.560 and the other girls were writing, and he was open 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.839 to us, so we were giving him. He just kind 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.040 of gave us free rain. You guys, go do this 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:15.800 album yourself. 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:24.520 By that time, were you there for the infamous Jam 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.200 tells the story about the I asked about a certain 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:32.080 engineer that they had to fire because of them destroying 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:37.960 the Heartbreaker song. It was like a punch in doing 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:43.080 the mixtown. The engineer had a race like one of 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:46.839 them I'm such a mess thing, and then they just 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.160 fell down a rabbit hole of trying to fix the 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.320 edit that was previously erased. 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:53.040 No, I don't remember that. 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.240 Okay, you never knew that story. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.480 I wrote the song and I was there, but I 0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:58.640 don't remember that story. 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.120 Oh okay, Yeah, basically, like one of the I'm such 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:07.319 a mess lines got heartbreak, I'm such a mess on 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:12.240 the Heartbreaker song, the the engineer was trying to punch 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:16.239 in make an edit and accidentally erase some of the 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:22.200 background and yeah and yeah, jam I was asking about 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.319 like a time when things went awry, and he just 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:30.040 talked about accidentally erasing like some of the background vocals 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:36.480 on Heartbreaker and them trying to fix it. It's yeah, 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.839 Well they fired the engineer, and I guess they kept 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:43.040 that from you guys, so now you know forty years later. Sorry, 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:49.640 But with meeting in the Ladies Room, well, first of all, 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:53.160 just as the band Dynamics one, how did you whittle 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:57.920 it down to the six members that we got to 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.640 know on meeting in the ladies. 0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:05.560 Room through you know, being in the band. You have 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.719 the girls, and certain things happened. I think they were 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.960 went down from it was eight and then it went 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:13.880 down to six, and that's the group that you know. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:14.120 Now. 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.000 There were two other members. I can't remember why they 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.759 left the group or why they weren't involved in the 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:22.560 group anymore, but it was a decision that was made 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.240 and then we were left with the six core members 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.240 of the group. And I think that was the reason 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.600 for our success. So I think it would have been 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.279 successful with those other two members or any other members. Now, 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.560 I think it was these are the ones that were meant. 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.799 To be so move forward, did you so? 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.839 Do you remember the rules from that point? They kept 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:46.200 y'all together, They kept you from having like petty arguments, 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.520 They kept y'all from some of the things that other. 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.160 Groups how decisions made. 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:52.800 Yeah, well, you know, well. 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.759 You know, it became that group thing where you know, 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.000 the vote, the whole group vote, which you know, which 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.640 was very stifling you know to me at points, you know. 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:02.600 Because it's your group. 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.719 Not so well, I just had more forward ideas and 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.359 I sometimes you know, when you have an idea, you 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:13.160 see things and people don't don't see it. Then you 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.040 got everybody kind of raised in their hand, and that's 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.640 very stifling for a creative person, you know. So it 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:20.960 was a majority rules. 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.400 That's interesting as you had the same hand as everybody else, 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.800 because even I mean I even think, I guess that 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.680 in the roots, like a mere hand in a turikan 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.360 is different than other hands, right. 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:34.160 Like, But was it? But that's why I'm asking, was 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.880 it a real democracy or was it like the idea 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:37.920 of a democracy? 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:42.360 It was, okay, let's say this. It was all good, 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.480 and then when Joyce came in the group, a little 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.720 bit of a power struggle started because for whatever reason 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.279 she you know, she came from a military base and 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:55.160 she you know, so that's when things kind of started changing. 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:59.680 From the group that we had that was all for one, 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.760 one for all. Things started like everything became a vote 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:09.440 because the the vision, the vision had gotten interruption, I interrupted. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:15.319 Very good. So would you say that Joyce was sort 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.560 of the because she was the last member to join, 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:22.600 kind of the outsider in a situation where there was 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.279 already an established rapport with the five of you. 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.880 Yes, and she definitely had her own way of seeing things, 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:30.520 you know, which is not bad in. 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:31.240 Her own opinions. 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.920 Yeah, and that was her voice, right, And I was 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.960 always you know, you know, one for all. We hadn't 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.200 even got to a point of an ego yet, you know, 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.200 we were we were. I was about, Hey, whatever's good 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.400 for the group. You know. That's how I lost control 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.920 of the name, because you know, Joyce came and said, like, 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.680 I think we should all be a part of the 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:54.080 name of the group. And I was like, sure, no problem. 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.800 I wasn't you know, I wasn't savvy. I wasn't savvy, 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.000 and I was just kind of like, well, the band 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.000 and we're gonna be together, We're gonna make things work. 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.560 And that's why the name is so out of control. 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:06.879 You know, right now, I wish I would have known 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:08.800 better and had trademarked that. 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:14.160 You know, So, could you tell me how your personal 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:20.840 life changed. Let's let's let's say two, let's say three 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.840 months after Men All Pause comes out. Oh my goodness, 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:28.520 where you guys? Were the songs on the radio killing 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:32.120 it and you're on you know, the videos being played everywhere. 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:33.960 And because I don't even know where Men on Pause 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:35.600 across from meeting in a lady's room, they kind. 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.839 Of just they listen, listen. We were preparing to go 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.680 back to school. Lorena, you know, she's always wanted to 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.759 be married. Everybody was playing in their life because we 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.719 mister Griffin, you know, he stuck with us through all 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.440 those Felt albums. We were all in the car following 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.200 each other. I don't know where we were going, but 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.680 I think there were two cars one two. Maybe we 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.080 were all in the same car. Mental Pause came on 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.120 over the Christmas holidays. You know how everybody goes on 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:10.240 break during the Christmas holidays. After that Christmas holiday, Mental Pause, 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.160 the Mental Pause was ahead and the record company says, 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.319 you guys got to hit record. DJ's were playing, they 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.160 were going crazy, and that's when our lives went on. 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:25.280 Things changed drastically. First video, that was the first video. 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.879 I mean, we did the Mental Pause first video. Then 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:31.080 the Mental Pause came meeting in the Ladies fool right 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:36.040 and with God Louis Silence put me into the studio 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.960 with tave Mo and we remixed the Leader and that's 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:41.960 when I added the you know, I had to leave 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.399 my condo to come to this, you know, that's when 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:47.239 I added that, right, Yeah, and we did. That was 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.360 the remixed version that became the big. 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.560 Even though it was a little bit. I mean, I 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:59.279 was twelve thirteen, and again, like there weren't many end 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.440 depth interviews with the guys back then. I'm certain that 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:06.080 there had to been comparisons like, oh, you guys are 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.520 like a female time and you're kind of like a 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:12.000 mar state. Was that bothersome to you or not at all? 0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.000 And Terry used to always call me they used to 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.920 compare me because my personality was such like a Morris Okay. 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:20.840 They used to call me burn to day, you know, 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:26.440 and they wanted to write things like character because I 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:28.960 didn't really know much about the time, you know, they 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:30.960 were just doing the first time I heard seven seven 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:34.839 ninety eleven in the studio, you know, and I didn't 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.680 really know much, so I couldn't really pattern myself after him. 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.320 But after after seeing his character and how much we 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.279 favored there's so many ways. It was like, that's what 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:50.000 the answer of when Jigglos need Love to I wrote. 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.520 Yeah, I didn't even know I divas. 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:55.920 Yeah, divas came from an answer that was like an answer. 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:58.360 You know, I'm in the process right now. I'm working 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:00.640 on the song, hoping to get more on it. I 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:04.239 just I just think that would be such an odd concept. 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:07.759 He and I have talked to please call him and 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.200 tell him. He and I have talked about it. I've 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.359 sent them tracks and he's like, man, okay. I called 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.960 him up, Morris Morris, So I have this track that 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.359 I'm working on right now that I'm going to send 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:22.959 to him because I just think it's beyond beyond. It's 0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:26.680 beyond just a song. It's about being entertained and how 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:30.640 the public would love that. Yes, a personality from a 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:34.000 girl band and the girl band and the time. Yeah, 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.799 that's great. We're opening up the ground is. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.279 With that, miss, But I want to ask what you 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:42.400 say you're working on tracks? What equipment and like software 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.040 are you using now to work on your music? 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:48.000 You know, I'm protus and I write on the n 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:52.319 PC x A okay, yeah, yeah, because I'm a PC 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:57.200 sixty n PC you know two thousand, two thousand X. 0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.640 I know the MPC, So I grab see because there's 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:02.440 so much you could do with it, when I could 0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.560 travel with it. You do vocals on another even though 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:06.879 I haven't even used half of it. So I write 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:08.560 a lot of my tracks which I don't really like 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:12.759 to write tracks that much anymore because I'm lazy, and 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:16.640 you know, I'm always questioning if the right snare or 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.439 if if it's gonna sound right. So I focus more 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:25.360 now on lyrics and melodies and content and vibe. You know. 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:26.760 I just did something with old. 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:30.120 Slat Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.480 Call believe in us, dropped it off, dropped it in 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.200 on the UK, and I'm focusing on that. So I'm 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.040 taking a lot of tracks from people that I know 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.440 or old things that I have. But right now, actually 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.720 the track that I'm working on is an old Solati track, 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.880 but I rearranged it, you know, so that it would 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.400 fit me in more. So I'm working on concept now. 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.680 I just think that would be such an entertaining thing 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:52.560 that's gonna happen. 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:54.520 I love man, that's so. 0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:57.000 Do Yeah, you work together. Me and I was a 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:57.640 lot of a curl. 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:05.000 Can you tell us go ahead at something? What? Why 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:11.160 did you guys pivot to Constellation mc A like, were 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:15.280 you still technically under the umbrella of Solar or like, 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:19.240 what did you officially leave Solar to go to Los 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:20.240 Alas and MC it like? 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.439 Was no solo records? Did a distribution deal with them. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:25.840 Okay, I never knew the story of. 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.760 Yeah, Solar, we're on Solar, and Solar did the change. 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.200 We didn't make the change. We kind of got over 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.800 there cause Solar. You know, once the success of meeting 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:37.440 in the ladies room and Climax became this big oh 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:39.400 my god, after I miss you, it was over. Lynn 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:42.080 Malsby wrote that, by the way, you know, that's the 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.919 biggest climax song ever. Yeah, that was. That's a big 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:50.920 that's a huge that's on music, baby, Okay, go yeah, 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:54.880 so she you know, they wanted us, So Dick did 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:58.560 a jill, you know, and we went over to Constellation. 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:02.640 Constellation was his ill that he made. Yeah, I guess 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:03.320 a distribution. 0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:09.600 Okay, yeah, I didn't know, so he owned that. 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.560 I was just going to ask you drop two names, 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.320 and I wanted to know when you circle back and 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:14.640 finally met them, what was it like? 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.400 And that was Morris Day and Patrice Russian. 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:21.400 Patrice was just a high and bye and I admire you. 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.400 It wasn't a deep conversation like Tina, Me and Tina 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:29.240 and Okay, yes, a lot of stories so more. Sometimes 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:30.640 you have to bear with me because I gotta think 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:36.080 I got to but More's day, you know, I see 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.320 More's day. We do. We do a lot of touring together. 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:40.560 I see him in and out. And the last time 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.840 I saw him, he were in we were in Florida 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:45.040 and I went up to him. I said, we got 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.120 to do a song together, Morris, I said, we got 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:49.080 to do it for the people. That would be such 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:53.120 an interesting I'm coold send me tracks, all right, So 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.439 I sent him a couple of tracks. He was like, man, 0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:58.320 you know, but this one's really hot. And even if 0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.520 it's not this one, somebody got to give us a 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:02.880 track and we got to do a thing together because 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:04.840 that could be such a great in. 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:07.920 Lewis have to do this, they do. 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.040 I was gonna say that there. 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:11.880 Must be a four minute monologue at the end with 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:15.120 you two trying to each other. You know what. 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:17.920 That's the song that I'm writing, So you know, we'll 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:19.840 see how it comes up. I'm gonna have to reach 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:23.720 out to jam and Lewis and let them kind of 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:26.800 hear this and maybe somehow, if it's not this, they 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:28.080 can come up with something. We got to do. 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:29.160 Let us manifest this. 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.439 Yes, I'm going to leave it up to you quest 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:33.320 to make that happen. 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:37.120 Yeah, the people want it. I want that. I definitely 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:37.520 want that. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.240 Yes, that would be so and I envisioned it. I 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:42.680 envisioned it with the girl band and that's on one 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.560 stage and time when we bottle it, wouldn't that be hot? 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:46.280 Yes? 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:50.800 Yes, and burn the jette for for a couple of pecks. 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:52.080 I'll mix it for you for free. 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:56.600 You know what, don't try me. 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:02.640 I come out to all it once in a while. 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:08.520 Give me some sugar. Steve Steve. Steve is a legendary engineer. Yes, 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:09.600 she knows. 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:10.640 I gave him the intro. 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:15.520 Okay, I'll drumb on this ship. I want to see 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:19.360 that happen. Yeah, I'll do it for free. I'll do 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:20.200 it just with the calt. 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:20.880 Yeah. 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:22.240 Yeah, absolutely. 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:25.040 I really believe that in my heart, and by being 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:27.880 a so called or a visionary, I can kind of 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.200 stay around corners sometimes. I just think I have always 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:35.240 felt that's a very strong concept and the people would 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.920 be like, oh my god, you know it would be 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:42.200 great for the demographics as well as the new generation. 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:47.200 Right. So I'm curious to know with the success of 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.360 where the Climax record was at the meeting in the 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:56.240 Lady Ladies Room. What was your family's reaction to it? 1:01:56.320 --> 1:02:01.040 Was it sort of like, Okay, you made it, good job, you. 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:03.440 Know what question. I don't really have a happy story 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.120 to tell you regarding that. I didn't really have a 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:11.040 lot of Yeah, I didn't have a really good family motivation. 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.240 I'm very self motivated, and that's kind of beauty of 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:17.439 one of the beauties of my success is I'm very 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:20.960 self motivated. I really didn't have my family behind me. 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:22.320 Yeah. 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:24.440 Because I also wonder once you found your voice and 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.280 people realized it was so strong and maybe anti with 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.280 a lot of these other female singers or groups are 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:33.240 singing for somebody else, you know, writing or whatever. 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.360 How long did it take for somebody and now tell 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:37.120 you to shut up? 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:41.840 You know, I don't know. It's just it's kind of 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.040 like I just moved forward and I don't. 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:47.840 Right, So you really persevere throughout all this what I'm saying, 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.920 like no family support and a strong female you know, 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.240 whole mission and lyrics. 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:57.280 You know, you know in the beginning, God, I got 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.880 some stories. I remember when Dick Griffy send me out. 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:02.880 There was a woman by the name of Kat Miller. 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:06.400 I did my first song called beat My Face that 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.880 Drick Griffy is like you, here's twenty five hundred dollars 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:12.560 go on. And I got this girl named Cat Miller, 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:15.360 and I think you'll be really really good with a 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:18.840 producing her, you know, and she's out in Tennessee, so 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:21.160 I want you to go to Tennessee and work on 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:24.560 her song. So get the song. Went to Tennessee and 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:28.200 the engineer laughed. He would refuse to work with me 1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:31.080 while I was there when I first walked in the door, 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:34.840 but when I left he became best friends. I think, 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.360 I think, I think when people see the talent, you know, 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.480 it's kind of like you can't you can't deny the talent, 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:45.360 you know, you can't, you know, And it's kind of 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:47.960 like the passion and the talent. And I know what 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:51.440 I'm doing and I enjoy what I do, so I 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:53.160 think once you get a hold of that, by the 1:03:53.240 --> 1:03:56.040 end of the session, we were cool. He respected me. 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.560 He didn't have it, you know. I would tell him 1:03:58.600 --> 1:03:59.960 what to do. He didn't want to do it at first, 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:02.200 but by the end of the session he was doing 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:04.480 it proudly, you know. 1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:06.880 So that's his excacted you to be probably in the booth, 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:08.440 not at the book exactly. 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:11.160 So that's he moral, That's that's the way my life 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:16.040 has gone, you know, dealing with male males in the studio. 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:18.680 Whatever I think when they see the talent, they become, 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:22.600 we become, everything becomes really really cool in their appreciative 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:25.040 that had been in my space and I enjoy being 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:25.680 in their space. 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.040 Wow. So you're saying that them offering their two cents 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:34.080 of what they think it should be and getting unsolicited 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:36.400 advice where it's not even asked for. 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:40.680 Listen, I have a clear vision, a clear vision of 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:42.960 what I'm doing. If I wrote it, I know the 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:45.600 way it sounds. Now. My thing has always been as 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:47.919 your vision or if you come up with something that's 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:51.200 better than mine, I'm receptive to it. But if it's not, 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.240 you know, I don't really like to compromise. That was 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.840 one of the reasons why it was difficult for me 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:59.960 to be in Climax, because I just felt stifled because 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:05.080 the compromising is very difficult for a person who who 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:05.760 was creative. 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:06.640 Right. 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:08.840 No, yeah, I just. 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:14.600 Thought about something I did read once was Penny Ford 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:16.320 in the original No. 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:22.320 Plenty four suits Lorena Lorena. Lorena was with child. Okay, 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:26.640 she got clear and we needed someone to take her 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:28.960 place because we were going on the road. And during 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:32.240 that time, I did not believe as the leader of 1:05:32.280 --> 1:05:35.640 climax Set there was a positive image for girls that time, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:38.960 at that time, in the eighties, okay, in the nineties. 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.400 Now now women are doing it. But I just you know, 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:45.480 that was that just wasn't you never saw. 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:47.280 That tradition following tradition. 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.120 Yeah, yeah, so, and it was it didn't seem like 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:52.560 we had little young girls, you know, who were following us. 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:55.960 So you know, you know, it's right right, rightfully. So 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.640 she was married or she you know. But so Penny 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:03.080 was working for Ron Sweeney, that's the second as the secretary, 1:06:03.480 --> 1:06:05.520 and Royn Sweeney was like, you guys really need to 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:09.000 take Penny for what she could sing. So Penny four 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.200 came in and she blew the house down and she 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:15.160 went on the road. I loved it. Okay, Yeah, we 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:15.959 talk all the time. 1:06:17.440 --> 1:06:22.520 Yeah, you know, she's uh. For those that don't know Penny, 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:27.600 it is probably best known as the the voice of 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:33.760 a snap I Got the power. Yeah, and amongst the 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:37.360 other things that you know, she's been sort of ghost 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:37.920 singing on. 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:40.560 An her right now. She wanted shacka babies. 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:43.000 She was, well, yeah, I think the story was that 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:47.560 uh Shaka Khan was actually supposed to do I got 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:51.000 the power and kind of. She admitted that she dropped 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:52.880 the ball just tole Penny go. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:56.640 I just did it. I just dropped another UK track 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.120 and with Penny Ford all over it. I love Penny 1:06:59.120 --> 1:07:01.840 Penny Is. There's not many vocalists who can sing like 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:05.720 Penny for It. Penny Ford. It cuts, it cuts, you know, 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.840 And I always say with these with these female singers, 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.080 it's not about what your capable of doing is, but 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:15.400 how you make me feel, you know. And like Aretha 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:17.320 made you feel, you would pull over to the side 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:19.040 of the road and I got to find me an 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:22.280 angel and you would cry. Right. I'm sure you've had 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:25.680 that experience right well, either she made you feel. These 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:29.439 singers nowadays, they can sing and the apparatus is good, 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.120 but it's about what makes you feel good. And Penny for. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:42.280 There's there's a question I always wanted to know the 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:46.640 answer to for the next album, the self title record, 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:52.880 the Climax album. Did you guys work with Rod Temperton 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:56.280 or did he just submit the man size love song. 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:58.440 No, we worked with him. 1:07:59.040 --> 1:08:00.000 Please tell me what was like. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:05.120 We're going with Rod Temperton, you know, Carol bear Fager. 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:08.600 I remember it was all after after that the album, 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:11.120 everybody was coming, you know, we were going up and 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:14.040 smoking a joint with Carol beer Feger and you know 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.840 and all of them and Rod Temperature had man sized 1:08:17.880 --> 1:08:21.000 lovel chould have been a huge hit. That's the biggest 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:25.120 pop that right. And he he had his come in 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:27.479 because he wanted to audition who was going to be 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:31.240 the lead vocalist on it. And of course I'm not. 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.559 I don't consider myself pious. I was just there, okay. 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:39.120 But Joyce. He didn't want Joyce Joyce what No, he 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:40.200 wanted Lorena. 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:45.360 That's Iran. And considering that Joyce's voice, his voice is. 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:51.479 Very specialized, it's very Michael Jackson. Ish Jackson wouldn't have 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:55.720 been able to sing man sized love. I need you 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:58.800 know you needed a man sized voice. That was that 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:01.840 was the difference between and I had my That's what 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:06.719 made Climax incredible. And and another thing that made Climax 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:09.479 incredible was we all knew our space. We know, I 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:13.040 knew what I brought, you know, and Joyce knew what 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:16.080 she brought to the you know, Lorena knew what she brought. 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:18.200 So it was like we just really step on each 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:20.880 other's toes. We were like, okay, you come in here 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:22.920 with your voice. It was really a cool thing in 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:26.479 the beginning. And Rod Templeton heard Lorena and He's like, 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:29.400 I want that big voice on it. So he chose 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:30.879 he chose Lorena. 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:34.519 Was that initially on the Running Scared soundtrack? 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:36.920 Yes? Yes, okay? 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:37.200 So? 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:43.400 And also, I mean you worked with Dick Griffy, No, 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:45.799 Richie Rudolph, Well. 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:49.600 He wrote Massized Loves with Rod Templeton. 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:50.360 Right right? 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:52.720 Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't see him. I met 1:09:52.800 --> 1:09:56.000 him later at Tenda Marie's house, but I didn't see 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:56.960 him there at the session. 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:00.559 I was going to say, when you became established, did 1:10:00.560 --> 1:10:04.519 you did you have a clique, Like who in the 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:08.120 industry was like your did you have running buddies were 1:10:08.160 --> 1:10:10.880 you cool with? Like who were your best friends? Like 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.320 who did you vibe with that were artists? 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:17.920 Tina? Let me see, I would love to say bet Midler, 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:26.800 but that wouldn't be a true right I on one song? Yeah, 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.200 but we were you know, she just loved the song 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:32.479 and she did it. Let me see who did I 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:33.559 hang out with a lot? 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:34.679 Uh? 1:10:35.000 --> 1:10:40.960 It was Tina Marie mainly Tina, mainly. I didn't really 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:42.080 have a lot of friends. 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:45.760 Please Tina, please tell us, because she has been gone 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:48.320 for so long that please just tell people something about Tina. 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:51.880 And I don't know how we became. Tina had a 1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:54.439 lot of people around her all the time. You know, 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.559 she was the people person. So our times together were 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:00.000 very kind of solemnon with her and she come over 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.720 to the house, We smoke a joint and we talk 1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:06.719 about life. She was so deep. Tina was no joke, okay. 1:11:06.840 --> 1:11:09.840 And we would talk about her past, her life and 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:13.040 the things she was going through and relationships and all 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.160 of those things like that. And then one day she 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:16.960 called me up, Hey, come down to the studio. I 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:19.120 want you to be on this record. Okay. I'll be 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:23.280 down in an hour, okay. And then I called her back, Hey, 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:25.880 I got this song, come down. I want you to 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.240 be on this record. Now when I call somebody and 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:31.040 go I want you to build a record. Well it's 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:35.960 ten thousand dollars. You know, bad people call your people, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:41.759 so you know further moment, Hey, let's go to Chicago, okay, 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:44.920 you know those days you could go buy your ticket 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:48.839 at the counter, right, and San Francisco, let's go hang out. 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.240 You know, it's not really not a bad story, it's 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:53.719 just really wonderful memories. 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:53.880 Oh. 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:55.000 I don't want any bad stories. 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:59.400 I wanted great memories or things that we didn't. 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:01.680 You know, because so early we never just got to 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:02.040 know her. 1:12:02.320 --> 1:12:04.920 She was just, she was just you know, Tina became 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:08.760 my friend before I really went to any concerts of hers. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:12.320 When I went to go to a concert, I was 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:16.519 blown away that this girl was my friend. All right. 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:18.760 I was getting out in the audience and she got 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:20.800 up a play guitars. She came out and the people 1:12:21.160 --> 1:12:25.000 I didn't realize how massive Tina Marie was. And then 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:28.640 afterwards I said, wow, you're really something special, right, and 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.599 we laughed about it and it was it's all good. 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:33.960 It was. There's no really bad stories of me. 1:12:34.560 --> 1:12:37.360 Gotta be something made about her life, like she cannot 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:38.200 be forgotten. 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.200 It's just very interesting. You know. 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:42.800 I can't really share a lot of things, you know, 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:47.280 because she you know, I can't, you know, but all 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:50.439 wonderful memories I can't really think of anything that stands 1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:52.720 out that that I should speak about. 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:57.320 I know, I know around this time you started doing 1:12:57.360 --> 1:13:02.040 like production work on your own for other acts, and 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:07.200 I gotta know, like you're the history of you forming 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:11.599 Madam X My God, of which no, I'm telling you 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:16.360 I loved. I was like, ah, not not like why 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:19.679 did you give the song away? But just that type 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:26.639 of girl to me could have been just such a killer, killer, 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:28.120 killer climax song. 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:30.000 I didn't write it. 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:32.360 Why did you give that song away? Oh? You didn't 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:32.720 write that. 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:35.640 No, I didn't write it until I was you know, 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:37.120 I had moved forward. 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:41.439 Okay, So it wasn't like you had that song under 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:42.680 your hat before. 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.719 No, that was a last minute song that was written 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:49.120 by you know, I was. I was working on the album. 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:51.479 I created the concept in my mind. First of all, 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.559 let's talk about the beginning of these three girls. I 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:57.080 still have a concept right now. I just don't understand 1:13:57.240 --> 1:13:59.360 why we don't have a three girl group right now. 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:00.360 I don't get it. 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:01.800 Group. 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:06.200 Why is the only guys? What's the group? 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.559 Where's the band? Where's the two guys and one girl? 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:13.360 Where's the female migos? I don't get it. I'm not 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:17.320 grabbing onto right right right had a climax. That's a 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:23.920 climax exactly, you know. You know. I came up with 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.760 this concept of the girls and I didn't even have 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:29.200 the group yet, and I met with Sylvia Roan. Sylvia 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:32.200 Rome was interested in the concept, so she came down 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:34.000 to out to l A and she met with me. 1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:36.200 I told her about the concept. I want to do 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:37.600 this in a way I want him to look and 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:39.599 this is how I want him to do. She says, great, 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:43.680 I'm gonna sign it the concept. I said, okay, So 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:49.320 we did the deal with Ron Sweeney and negotiator. Ever, 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:54.559 I learned a lot from Ron, you know, and uh 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.040 then I started formulating the group. I got the three 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:02.280 girls who were came to be Metal Max started working 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:07.040 on the project, and I needed this last song, Okay, 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:09.479 I need Okay, it's just I'm listening to the album. 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:12.120 I just don't hear I don't hear a clear big 1:15:12.280 --> 1:15:17.800 single and Cornelius Mims bass player, Yeah, yeah, okay, Cornelia's 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:20.280 hit me up. I got this track baby, come on over. 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:22.519 And you know I got this thing, baby, I think 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:25.320 you go dig it. So I'm like, okay, come on over. 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:28.960 I'm at the studio. I'm at studio masters. He came by, 1:15:29.320 --> 1:15:33.840 he played this, he played this track, which was actually 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:36.679 a back it went. He was working on the song 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:41.759 and the song went backwards. What Yeah, he was working 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:44.479 on the track and something technically happened and the song 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:49.280 started playing backwards. That's the track. That's just that. 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:53.000 Type of girl. Yeah. 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:58.040 Mistakes, Okay, Yeah, shout out to bad engineers man all. 1:15:57.960 --> 1:15:58.840 Over the world. 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.679 On all my song's mistakes. I don't do I don't 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:05.920 do the perfection thing all the time. You know, if 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:09.920 it feels good, it's staying, you know. But so you 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:13.160 brought me this backwards track and he says, baby, you know, 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:16.000 it was a mistake. It went backwards, and I'm like, 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:18.479 I love it. I love it. So I took it. 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:20.840 I said, leave me a track, and I took it, 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:22.519 and I wrote the lyrics. 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:27.720 I got to tell you like it's I meant for 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:35.080 nineteen eighty seven. It was a very unusual sounding song. 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:40.639 Very shocked that it hasn't been sampled or I still DJ. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:43.040 I still played to this day on my DJ sets, 1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:47.360 and I'll say that at least thirty to forty percent 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:50.280 of the time someone will think that I'm playing something 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:54.160 like new like it just it doesn't. It didn't sound 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:58.240 like anything that was in the marketplace at the time. 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:02.640 How come that project was short lived? Like? Did you 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:04.639 manage the band as well? Lord? 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:09.000 You know, you know everybody's equal in poverty and that 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:13.000 that statement comes from mister Dick Griffy himself, who I 1:17:13.040 --> 1:17:15.960 had a chance to visit right the day before he 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:17.880 passed away, and I was able to thank him for 1:17:17.920 --> 1:17:23.720 my career, okay, And everybody started pulling at these girls 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:26.680 when I when I created that, you know, and a 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:28.880 certain manager, I don't want to say any names, but 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:32.160 a manager came in who I really was told not 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:34.680 to work with. And the next thing, I know, the 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.280 girls that went by my back and signed with this manager. 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:41.960 And Sylvia was not happy with it. And there was 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:45.320 a clash, all right, and things got really out of 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:48.760 control and things got crazy, and that's what happened to 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.400 Mane Max pretty much. And they they didn't want to 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:53.320 you know. And I'm gonna tell you something. Plus a 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:54.920 lot of women don't like to do this is with 1:17:55.000 --> 1:17:57.519 other women. A lot of women don't want other women's 1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:00.760 telling them would to do. They would rather a man 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:03.160 tell them the wrong way than the woman to tell 1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:04.479 them the right way. 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:08.120 And now call that trauma, generational trauma. 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:12.000 And get I even get that to this day, women 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:15.439 don't want other women in control of them, you know, 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:16.960 and then they. 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:22.439 Want a man, right, they want to manage it. 1:18:22.800 --> 1:18:25.720 So it became this thing where they you know, the 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:27.760 guys were pulling them and then you know, I'm gonna 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:29.800 give you a solo deal and I just said, go, 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:33.479 I'll put another group together. And you know, it became 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:36.240 a big It became a very big, a misunderstanding and 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:39.759 a horrible thing. And the manager who pulled them away, 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:44.080 Sylvia wasn't happening so happy with it. So it was 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:46.000 a It was a horrible thing. So I tried to 1:18:46.040 --> 1:18:49.200 go forward with one of the other members who now 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:52.880 is passed away but passed away from cancer. 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:53.920 Which which one passed away? 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:59.439 That was there were Dickie, there was Iris, and there 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:04.000 was Alisa, Alisa Alsa, the. 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:04.799 One that did the athlete. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:11.680 Ye I see once again, once again, I love the 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:16.799 beauty of finding your strength, your strength, your strength together. 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:19.599 We got a band because everybody can't do the same thing. 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:22.920 So we had we had Valerie who was that uh 1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:27.080 you know that Grace Jones kind of vibe. You know, man, 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:29.280 you know, did we have Iris who had a more 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:33.320 jazzier vibe that we had Alisa who had who could 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:37.040 saying sing the same thing? You know, Yeah, it's the 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:40.719 same same sing. So I tried to do a project 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:43.040 with Alisa, but it did the vibe was all gone. 1:19:43.120 --> 1:19:43.240 Now. 1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:45.519 But that's what happened to Madame Max. That's a problem. 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:48.639 There was no that's it. That was it. That's what happened. 1:19:49.520 --> 1:19:53.640 What was producing other acts, like a pleasurable experience for you, 1:19:53.880 --> 1:20:03.200 like working with Sherlynn and w you know, look, you know, 1:20:03.280 --> 1:20:05.320 I'm not even gonna fall down that rabbit hole, but 1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:08.880 this is not the first time I've heard that sort 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:09.479 of response. 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:12.960 You know, every everything has their stories, you know, and 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:15.519 I have, you know, with Cha Lynn. I enjoyed Chaolyn. 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:18.360 Cho Lynn had to manager. We just for whatever reason 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:21.360 didn't really take to me. So I just remember Jerry, 1:20:21.479 --> 1:20:23.679 Jerry was an engineer. That's when I first met Jerry 1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:27.479 Brown Brown. He was with Cha Lynn and he says, 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:30.080 I'm working with you, and then you know, Pebbles told 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:32.400 him he was working with pebbles, and pebbles says either 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:35.640 Bernadette or me. He says Bernadette, So Jerry and I 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:39.240 have been together every since, you know, but that's what 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:42.559 I meant, So cha, Lyn, you got you know, every 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:45.200 every story has a little thing that comes up out. 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:48.800 I've heard the stories, you know people I. 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:53.840 Did Peoples and when she was dating Howard Hewitt, right, 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:56.479 and I was doing this song called the Empty Sex 1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:00.519 that I wrote, which was which was a big which 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:04.040 is a big voice record, you know, and once again, 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.760 I have specifics of how I wanted that song to 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:11.080 be you know, performed, and she had her ideas. 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:12.800 So she didn't really have a big voice though. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.120 You know what, if you listen to the song she did, 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:20.680 we did a heck of a job. She cried and 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:24.200 you know how you would came in telling me, well, 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:26.760 I didn't know what I was doing, and but you know, 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:29.040 you know, but I got the best out of her. 1:21:29.240 --> 1:21:31.519 You know, every every there's been a lot of situation. 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:33.880 Once again, the man, so. 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:37.519 You're are you? You are you demanding when it comes 1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:42.719 to your your art and the people that you work with? Yes, yes, okay, 1:21:43.120 --> 1:21:44.000 I can respect that. 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:47.360 Demanding in the sense of I already see when you 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:50.840 write the song. You have a clear vision, right, you 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:53.040 know how the melody goes, you know how it should be, 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:56.320 you know what it should sound like from that perspective. 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:59.640 I'm not mean or difficult, you know, I'm just the 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.120 man on trying to get the best out of you. 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.320 I'm just curious if you've talked to I mean, it's 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:06.720 only a few. I don't want to say it's a 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:08.240 few of your peers. It's it's a lot of women 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:11.360 behind the scenes making music throughout the years. However, have 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:13.519 there been some peers that you've you've spoken to and 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:15.600 had like these similar experiences. Because I'm listening to you 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:21.080 and I'm thinking, I wonder how Missy you know Elliott, Yeah, 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:23.960 like from her beginnings and earning her respect and then 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:27.080 getting getting telling other women and other men what to do. 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:31.080 You know, Missy Missy was probably she came up with 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:33.560 that hip hop world and she was who was the 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:37.400 person who was? Was it Diddy whom? Yeah? So you 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.320 have what you got Kimberland behind you. They much, you know, 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.360 But I was used by yourself. Yeah, I was by myself. 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:45.559 So with Timberland is saying, hey, this is missus, She's 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:46.360 gonna tell you what you do? 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:48.080 Who are your peers in that way? 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.080 Then Bernie that like, who are the the other sisters 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.040 that have been through the the same thing? 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:55.240 I don't know. I don't know, you know what. I 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:57.400 got a story when I was forming Climax, I asked 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:01.120 Cheeria be in it? Okay, why said only if as 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:02.360 Sheila and Climax. 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.880 Well, I mean, y'a drummers, but you know she wanted 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:06.160 to be. 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:12.120 Yeah, you know what, you know what she's bad? Okay, 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:15.519 I give my props to Sheila. Okay, yeah, but that's 1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:18.919 just a story, nothing bad about it. 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:21.600 It don't have to be bad, right, you know. 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:25.880 You guys want you know, you just want the good stuff. 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:26.639 We don't want. 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.640 No. I got a lot of stories, but I'm just 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:32.960 so like a protective of a lot of people, and 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:35.680 I don't want to say too much. But there's a 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:42.080 million stories, all right. 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:45.519 So I kind of say this not for last but 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:49.720 because I never knew, even though I know that that 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:52.479 v H one thing was on the air, I didn't 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:57.080 see exactly what went down. But I do not know. 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.200 Have you guys Climax employed it? 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:02.920 You guys, you guys, have you got anybody were a 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:09.240 that recient Billboard article about you, about you anybody right 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:11.400 now if you want to google it Billboard and climb 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.240 actually see what just happened. 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:14.320 It just came out. 1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:19.800 Well, so it's probably last month, two months ago. Did 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:23.040 you hear about Climax being inducted into a woman's house 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:25.479 songwriting house of hall? 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:26.439 Sounds familiar? 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:30.560 Okay, we heard. We heard about it too when it 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:33.400 was And then I'll get back to the VH one thing. 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:36.200 But let me started the VH one thing because it's 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:41.000 a prelude to this. Okay, during this particular time, Go ahead, I'm. 1:24:40.880 --> 1:24:43.639 Sorry, no, no, I just I want to know what 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:46.160 the straw that was that broke the camel's back that 1:24:46.280 --> 1:24:49.080 led to the breakup of the group or for you 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:51.559 to leave because another group went on without you, like 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:55.880 good Love and whatever the other songs were. But you 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:57.840 know what was it like to leave the band that 1:24:58.000 --> 1:24:58.719 you started? 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:07.479 There was power struggles and when you is difficult for 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:11.280 individuals to say. And this would be a better place 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:14.920 if we were able to do this. I'm jealous of 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:17.280 the fact that I put in equal amount of work. 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.960 Is you all right? I've been in this band at 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:22.000 the same time in you, but all people want to 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:25.240 do is focused on Bernidad Cooper. It's very very I'm jealous, 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.439 I'm angry about it, and I'm mad as hell. Okay, 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:30.360 at that point, we could talk about it and we 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:33.280 can get through it. But what happens with people is 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:36.640 they start to nitpeck, and they start to get in 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:39.200 groups and go against you and all of those kind 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:42.599 of things like that, which makes me, being from a 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:47.000 family of women who have attacked me, when I'm in 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:51.080 a corner, I come out fighting for survival. So I 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:54.760 kind of felt like there was nothing big major blow 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:59.320 upers fight other than the fact is I got frustrated 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:03.320 with half I need to compromise my creativity for people 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:10.040 who really didn't want me to be successful or wanted 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:13.640 me to move forward in life passed them. So I 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:18.639 made a decision after being I would say at sometimes bullied. 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:21.920 I was feeling bullied that I didn't no longer want 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:25.200 to be in this situation and there was the biggest 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.559 move in my life. But I just asked you because 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:30.720 I wasn't happy and I had to move forward. That's 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:33.840 pretty much it. And I tried to stay, but it 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.559 was this particular member in the group was the treasurer 1:26:36.600 --> 1:26:39.240 of the group, and I said I would stay if 1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:42.360 we got a real treasure and not you know, we've gone, 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:46.160 we've gotten bigger, and this particular treasurer of the group, 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:48.439 I would like in the outside treasure. I'll stay if 1:26:48.479 --> 1:26:51.320 I get my money and my things individually, because I 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:53.559 don't want this particular person to handle. 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:57.439 And they were like, no, wait, I have a question. 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:02.200 So at this point in your career where there's platinum 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:07.520 singles and YadA, YadA YadA, you guys are still operating 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:11.240 on that sort of level where like I'll collect the 1:27:12.040 --> 1:27:14.040 payment at the end of the gear, Like you don't 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:16.080 have a business manager. 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:18.120 Or what we had, but we had a treasure in 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:21.519 the group, and I didn't feel good about this particular situation, 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:24.000 and I was like, no, we need to go to 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:27.240 another level, because it's about levels, and it's about vision, 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:31.360 it's about growth. Everybody doesn't. Sometimes you just simply out 1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:35.040 grow a situation. That's pretty much what it is with claiming. 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:38.520 I just simply outgrew the situation where it's like a relationship, 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:39.960 you're married, do you want to go back to your 1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:43.960 ex wife? No? You know, because you guys are going, 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:47.160 you know, because you've out growth the situation, you know, 1:27:47.280 --> 1:27:49.720 it doesn't mean anything other than that. But yeah, we 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:53.320 were still operating on that level, and this particular individual 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:58.439 ended up being the problem who's still to this day 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:04.120 is collect thing royalties that we don't know about. Now 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:06.639 let's get to the VH one situation. So the group 1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:09.439 had expanded it for a while, and you know, Joyce, 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:10.920 you know I had to say, hey, let's get the 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:13.679 group back together. No, no, no, I don't. I wasn't 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:16.080 feeling that if everybody was going to make that first move, 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:18.240 I felt that it should be me. So I didn't 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:21.599 go forward with that. And I never got a call 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.280 from this person at all. And next thing we know, 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:27.400 she was trying to trademark the name and it got 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:31.439 we found out about it and it stopped it. But 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:35.599 that's when the VH one came in. And then after 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:38.479 the VH one story came in in the in the 1:28:39.000 --> 1:28:42.040 when I saw how people were still very very much 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.599 focused on climax of wanting to do things and shows 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:48.920 and things like that, we decided to move forward to 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:52.400 do some touring. Okay, here we are twenty twenty one. 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:54.800 If you will read then we got to. 1:28:56.360 --> 1:28:59.640 Yeah, I mean I'm reading it. Yeah, the headline is 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:03.320 clan don like the look. Okay, you want to say 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:05.280 the name, Okay, I want to say member. 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:07.680 Well, it's up to hear whether you want to say it. 1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:08.640 It's in billboard. 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:12.960 Yeah that was your quote. 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:16.920 But you know, so this individual has been doing all 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:20.400 these and savory things, bringing the bringing our brand down 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:26.280 to your typical band that plays at the local UH 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:30.719 food mart for for five hundred dollars, you know, using 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:32.840 the name. So we tried to get her to stop, 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:35.640 and she admitted that she would stop, and that she 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.839 would only go out because you know, as sure Cooley 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:42.000 for formerly of Climax or client. We have that on tape, 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:46.080 all right. So then I get a call one day 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:51.120 that all of our all of our publishing on Asktap 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:57.200 and on aspaps specifically, had been changed. Our publishers split, 1:29:57.560 --> 1:30:01.600 including Rod Templeton, including a bunch of people, the publisher, 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:05.559 all the splits, all the splits, all the writers shared 1:30:06.479 --> 1:30:08.599 have been changed into Show Cooley's name. 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:10.719 How can you do that legally? That's interesting. 1:30:11.120 --> 1:30:16.360 Nobody turn away from the farm and listen. 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.160 Listen. People are not paying People just weren't paying attention. 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:23.360 You know, So anyway, let's move forward. Sony gets involved 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.799 because they own half of that publishing from the Post, 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:31.360 so they get involved. There was Sony an ascap trying 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:34.799 to figure out how this person got in and changed 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:42.240 Jimmy Jams publishing read Writers splits Climax not just us, 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:49.679 Roy Templeton, all of these people come, yeah, sure COOLi 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:54.080 So anyway, moving on. We called them, I said them 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:57.160 a letter. They fixed it. She changed it back somehow. 1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:00.960 Then we got we woke up to wow, Lorena said, 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:04.479 because Lorena and I we speak all the time. Shout 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:09.519 out to Lorena, who's recovering from a cancer scare. All right, 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:15.280 we just did a project together us. Really good. So Lorena, uh, 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:19.080 she goes, hey, you got you know, look at this 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:23.560 article and an article states a Climax Climax will be inducted 1:31:23.560 --> 1:31:26.960 into the Women's Writing Hall of Fame. All right, and 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.280 we were honored. We finally came together as a group 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:31.800 as being honored. Oh my god, I don't you know, 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:37.040 we don't get along, but oh my god. So we 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:40.200 waited around, you know, a week or two. I said 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:44.519 a letter, thank you, We're honored, Linsen. The letter thank 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:50.600 you Joys said it wow, no response. Finally, finally we 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:52.200 got a hold of the people and they were like, well, 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:57.200 we're given the honor to Ryl Cooley. So we were like, 1:31:57.400 --> 1:31:59.720 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait 1:31:59.760 --> 1:32:03.000 a minut and it I you know, in kind wrote 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:05.960 a letter, No this Climax's group. No, you have to 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:08.599 show us who owns the name. Shore was telling people 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:12.400 that she owned the name. And and apparently this individual 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:16.760 who's over this has some connection with Cooley and she 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:19.840 was dead set on giving Koly this award. COOLi does 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:25.439 a right right, I put a name on I put 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:29.120 Cooley's name on Heartbreaker just because we're in the group. 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:31.599 We didn't write none and so. 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:34.519 But yeah, and it looks like you guys are abandoned, 1:32:34.600 --> 1:32:39.920 right right, and this situation. To get out the. 1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:43.840 Situation, the one song that we did was never undermestigate 1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:45.920 the power over woman Shoe Cooley and I did that, 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.040 excuse me, the very first song. But other than that, 1:32:50.200 --> 1:32:53.320 cho Cooly is just not a writer. I'm not saying, 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:55.920 you know, she's not a hit writer. Let's put it 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:58.040 like that. And if you look at if you look 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:01.960 at all the names, so she she happily went up 1:33:02.120 --> 1:33:05.840 to accept this award. Right, So it was on such 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:12.400 a big platform of Billboard being announced. People were calling me, Hey, congratulations, 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:14.760 and I'm like, okay. So I called bill Board and 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.120 I'm like, you guys have to give us a chance 1:33:17.200 --> 1:33:21.240 to respond to this, because you know it's not right. 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:24.360 You know, they didn't say we're given award to climb 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:27.960 sure a coolie of climax. They said climax, and that's 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:32.559 that's a big coming from So Billboard we did a 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:38.640 you know, we responding, We responding and Billboard, you know, 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:41.480 to try to set the record straight to make people understand. 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:44.839 And also, you know, Billboard grabbed onto that astap story 1:33:45.240 --> 1:33:47.439 because that was a big story with all the changes 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.800 being made. So that's it. So I just sent out 1:33:50.840 --> 1:33:53.400 to see sent assist and hopefully, you know, because she 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:56.400 was intent on going out as Climax and the original climate. 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:59.760 You're not the original Climax, you know, So let's just 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:02.400 that we can at least, you know, with the Truth 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:06.519 and Music Act, you can go out and you can perform. 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:09.040 Nobody's trying to stop you, but you gotta play fair, 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:14.720 and playing fair is climax. That's what you and Music Act. Okay, yeah, 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:15.840 are you familiar with that? 1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:17.479 I wasn't until you said that. I feel like I 1:34:17.520 --> 1:34:18.200 should be there. 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:21.120 Yeah, I think I heard about this with Dennis Edwards. 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:28.560 Well, Mary Mary Mary Mary Wilson of the Supremes, she 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:31.880 helped to enact that law. That is, if you are 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:35.040 a an individual member of a group that was successful, 1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:37.679 you have the right to go out using their name 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:42.439 to make a living. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:47.240 be original member, you know. And and that's why you 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:49.680 see so many groups kind of like, you know. 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:54.800 Going so many different versions of groups, like a lot 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:56.360 of climaxes on the internet. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.000 There's a lot of climaxes on the Internet. I'm trying 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:03.280 to separate that now and I'm really evolving into Bernadette 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:05.920 Cooper and putting out music. But you know, I can't. 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:09.439 It's synonymous. Bernida Cooper is pretty much synonymous. So I 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:11.679 can't escape it. But it is what it is. There's 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:18.840 nothing that can be done about it. 1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:18.120 Presents the climatic divas, right. 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:21.519 Right, you know, so and when we go out, you know, 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:24.760 climax is much bigger than just Bernadette Cooper. Climax is 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:27.639 coming with the hits so Bernida Cooper has a whole 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:31.040 the whole other album drama. According to Bernadette Cooper, yeah, 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:36.120 it's it's you know, so yeah, so Joyce is going 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.240 out with her concept. Shout is going out of a concept, 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:42.280 and you know, everybody's allowed to do it. And the 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:45.200 main thing is we're doing the hits and people are 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:48.960 it's keeping the hits and people's memories. So that's the 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:50.680 way I look at it. I'm not tripping about it 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:51.000 no more. 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:57.280 There's just no ice cubes chance in hell that this 1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:00.840 can come to a place where you guys. 1:36:01.600 --> 1:36:08.200 We'll just I'll say never, say never. But I have 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:11.719 a clear vision of where I want to go with 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:14.880 the second with the second half of my life, you know, 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:18.400 talk about it, which includes because when you go back 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:21.800 into the group scenario, it becomes that whole compromise thing. 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:25.320 I don't want to compromise at all. I don't want 1:36:25.320 --> 1:36:28.320 to compromise anymore. My you know, life is short. I 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:30.000 want to be able to do it my way and 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.160 at the end of the day, go, oh, you know, 1:36:32.360 --> 1:36:34.760 Frank Sinatra, I did it my way, you know, and 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:39.040 it kind of like no disrespect, but you know, that's 1:36:39.120 --> 1:36:40.639 that's the way I feel about it, and I don't 1:36:40.680 --> 1:36:44.200 want to shed you know, history is history, and everybody 1:36:44.240 --> 1:36:47.680 has history, and everybody has things they say about the 1:36:47.720 --> 1:36:49.680 members of the band and all of that. But I 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:54.040 would never It's all good. We had a great run, 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:56.879 we created history. We should be honored. 1:36:57.080 --> 1:36:57.280 You know. 1:36:57.400 --> 1:37:00.599 I don't understand how they could do these rock girls 1:37:00.640 --> 1:37:02.799 alive and girls listen. 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:05.120 I was curious. I was like, did Beyonce ever come out? 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:05.680 Does she know? 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:08.320 Because the whole girl band that she had going on, 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:09.760 I was like, I'm curious. 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:13.759 If she knew the the girls in the band. No 1:37:14.000 --> 1:37:18.920 woman who play instruments. Okay, that's what matters, you know, 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.679 But you know, not to you know, not to come 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:25.040 off vain or egotistical or any of those things, because 1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:29.080 you know, I'm just I'm pretty even, but I'm cool. 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:32.080 I'm cool. I just want to move forward. And the 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:35.599 girls are entitled to use the name. And if anybody 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:38.719 is out there and you go see Climax, teacher and whoever, 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:43.320 and if we're all playing fair enjoying the music, you know, 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:46.800 because yeah, so when I'm long gone, that music could 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:51.360 still be going on, you know, yes, And that's pretty. 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:55.320 Much it's like interview themselves. 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:58.120 And I'm going to ask myself a question. 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:00.439 Yeah, yes, I'm just. 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:08.400 Playing with you guys. I mean no, no, no, I'm no, 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:11.800 I'm good. I'm just you know, just moving forward. That's it. 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:13.120 That's beautiful. 1:38:13.280 --> 1:38:15.280 Didn't we didn't talk about drama? According to Bernie that 1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:15.840 Cooper was. 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:17.160 I'm about to go there. 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:19.680 That's a question. No. 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:23.160 I was going to ask when when when you finally 1:38:23.200 --> 1:38:25.920 got to that came out in nineteen ninety, I believe 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:30.600 you got the drama, Bernidette Cooper, How liberated did you 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:36.960 feel and in it falling on you and like being 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:40.839 your own artist, being your own voice, Oh my gosh, 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:43.120 Like was it was it a breath of fresh air? 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:46.160 Or that can that much freedom can also be scary? 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:49.000 So for you, what was it like? 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:53.679 Freedom? You know, it's a r I equated very much 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:57.000 to what's happening today, even though a lot of people, 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:00.439 I mean, we're able to put out music freely, you know, 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:03.360 put it on you know, CD baby or whatever and 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:06.280 put you music out. But back then it was freedom 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:10.720 to me, you know, being in a band. And you know, 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.719 probably that's why the album was such a cool album, 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:15.759 because it was my first taste of freedom. 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:20.679 Wow, Okay, I agree him and a lot. 1:39:20.520 --> 1:39:24.640 Of people was on that album. Lenny Kravitz, Uh, there 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:28.320 was a Paulino Dacors. A lot of people played on 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:33.960 because Jerry Brown was bringing in all those major musicians. 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:36.800 That funny because as Lenny Kravis and you went back 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:39.400 from the the scene of being in California back in 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:40.840 the day, because I know he was a little younger, 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:42.280 but I know he was out and about before he 1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:43.160 was supposed to be too. 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:45.240 Yeah, I met him through Tina. He used to hang 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:46.240 out at Tina's. 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:48.519 You said, you was gonna give us a Tina story. 1:39:48.680 --> 1:39:53.559 What they come to me? I know, I met him, 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:55.960 you know, through Tina. He would hang out at Tina's house. 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:58.840 You know he was he was dating Lisa Burnett at 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:01.439 that time, you know. So I asked him if he 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:04.240 would playing. He came and playing, but but he didn't 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:08.400 immediately got to deal with Version Right Records, and he 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:10.960 told me he couldn't. He didn't want me to credit him, 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:13.439 so you won't see his credit on the album. But wow, 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:17.720 yeah he played on it. He played on Let's be 1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:21.639 the screen about it. That's Lenny pull funky guitar. 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:30.880 Yeah, okay, now I got to revisit that. Okay, yeah, wait, 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:35.639 can you explain? Okay, have the set a long long 1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:40.200 time ago? The Howard Hughes song. Can you like the 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:44.960 way that your mind works? Like how do you even go? 1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:46.160 Like? 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:50.200 What was I know that the whole that album elevates 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:56.439 your your personality and even more. But like from the beginning, 1:40:56.479 --> 1:40:59.960 like who was the who conceptualized that record? It's far 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:03.880 is really bringing your character to life? 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.720 I did? I remember I had the free I had 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:10.400 the freedom to do that and taking things from a 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:13.800 song by a song by song bassis and living and 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:17.280 looking at what I had and what I needed, you 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:20.439 know too, Yeah, I just took it. You know. I 1:41:20.439 --> 1:41:22.479 would listen to the song that Jerry and I. Jerry 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:24.920 and I did a lot of that, talking about it 1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:28.799 and conceptualizing what's needed. Oh you need something really funky? 1:41:28.840 --> 1:41:31.920 Now okay, let's see the street about it. Mini Cravis 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:34.080 is coming. Okay, what do I need? I knew something 1:41:34.120 --> 1:41:36.840 about a woman who's just you know, who's looking for 1:41:36.880 --> 1:41:39.400 a wealthy man, because that's the reality of the world. 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:43.840 You know, women, women love to be they love the security. 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:48.280 So that's how Howard Heels sitcom came up. Yeah, that's 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:51.040 how that came up. There wasn't some experience. It was 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:54.680 putly from you know, just thinking about what's missing and 1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:55.360 what's needed. 1:41:56.320 --> 1:42:00.479 Well, you also mentioned Lou Silas, who you know, of 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:05.200 course has had major success and has left us. But 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:07.800 what was he like as an executive? 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:14.840 Oh my gosh, Lou. Oh going out on the road 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.240 with him the first time. He was a point person 1:42:17.320 --> 1:42:20.040 who would take us around to the radio stations and things. 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:24.920 And he got a fixation on Lorena, so you know, 1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:28.360 uh so we would go out on the road to 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:31.200 deal with that all the time. And he was very 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:35.400 very he had he had great vision and he would have, Hey, Bernadette, 1:42:35.479 --> 1:42:37.479 come come on down to the studio. I got a 1:42:37.520 --> 1:42:41.880 concept and I want you to put a concept on this. 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:44.360 I think, you know, just talk and put the microphone 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:46.400 in from you. He was very good at bringing people 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:50.080 together and as a businessman, you know, Loul signed me 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:53.680 as he signed me as a solo artist, so he 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:56.599 was wonderful. He was at MCA he says, you're one 1:42:56.640 --> 1:42:58.559 of the first acts I want to sign, and he 1:42:58.640 --> 1:42:59.080 signed me. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.400 That's what I was going to say, Like I know, like, 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:05.639 was he more of a suit or was he really 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:09.280 a music guy? 1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:13.400 He was a music guy. He had ideas, he had vision, 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:15.599 he knew how to bring the right people together in 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:19.559 order to achieve a certain song, a certain thing on 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:22.439 an album. Because you know, after I did the mental pause, 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:24.439 he says, Okay, you got to come back with that 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:27.479 same thing on Meeting in the Latest Room because that 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:29.519 was so popular. That was one of the things that 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:33.240 people remember, I need that same thing on this particular album, 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:35.599 Meeting in the latest film. So we went to Lara 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:40.439 Bie and he turned the mic on and I said, 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:42.320 I had to leave my condo to come to this, 1:43:43.320 --> 1:43:45.800 you know, And that's how that happened to him. 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:50.920 Yeah, you know exactly. Wait how did you How did 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:55.920 you even know? Uh, it's so weird because you know, 1:43:56.760 --> 1:43:59.960 if you really look at the character that you built, 1:44:01.200 --> 1:44:05.160 I mean, it's so it's such a precursor to what 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:11.200 hip hop became ten years later. Like you are probably 1:44:11.320 --> 1:44:14.400 the first person I ever heard name drop like Versace 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:18.799 name Yeah, names I never heard of before that rappers 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:22.519 would start just I became their birthright ten years. 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:29.000 Later, and in Tiva. In Tiva, I was fearless. You 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:31.760 have to understand. And I was and I was in 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:35.479 and I was in too close and they started sending 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:40.080 me close and I just kind of like, I just 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.599 kind of spoke my mind. I wish I really allowed 1:44:42.640 --> 1:44:45.400 myself to have. You know, now you have to be 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:47.880 a little bit more resolved because everybody is so sensitive 1:44:48.360 --> 1:44:49.719 and the things that you say. 1:44:49.960 --> 1:44:52.439 You know, but that's what age was for, so you 1:44:52.560 --> 1:44:53.880 don't have to do you know. 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:56.960 You know, I even think about it, you know, I 1:44:57.000 --> 1:44:59.200 even think about my demographics what they want to hear 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:01.280 from me, you know, they you know, and I don't 1:45:01.280 --> 1:45:04.519 want to continue and be a caricature of my old self, 1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:04.920 you know. 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:07.120 So I was going to say, do you get tired 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:11.600 of having to turn it on in a snap like 1:45:11.720 --> 1:45:14.400 other days where you just wish like you never had 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:15.760 to invent that character too? 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:23.479 You know, I'm naturally a comedian, so I'm always that 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:26.200 comes very easy from me. The character is easy. The 1:45:26.280 --> 1:45:30.559 character is more easier than me being myself. You know. Yeah, 1:45:30.720 --> 1:45:33.599 I could bring the character, and I'm much more comfortable 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:37.880 on stage than I am anywhere, you know, so I 1:45:37.920 --> 1:45:40.479 don't struggle with it at all. I don't struggle with 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:44.479 it I I'm working on now in the product that 1:45:44.560 --> 1:45:50.360 you hear me putting out is kind of the the me, 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:54.559 the evolution of Bernadette Cooper and me who has evolved 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:57.680 into the woman, and kind of like slowing down a 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.200 little bit so that I can perform my song was 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:03.920 way until you know, I get older and older, my 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:06.320 songs will be able to And I wish I could 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:08.479 do a song on an album on Janet Jackson is. 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:10.600 I think she would be good at doing that so 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:12.519 she doesn't have to get up and do rhal domnation 1:46:12.720 --> 1:46:16.320 and all of those things. That's a lot to be 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:18.720 dancing and all that. You know, now's the time to 1:46:18.840 --> 1:46:21.080 kind of slow it down and go into the new 1:46:21.120 --> 1:46:24.760 you and your and your demographics will follow because they 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:28.600 they're there too. They're there too. There's train age, you know. 1:46:28.800 --> 1:46:31.440 So that's what I'm doing right now with the projects 1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:32.960 that I'm that I'm working on. 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:38.880 You know, one more thing, It just hit me. Did 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:44.320 you at any point did you ever consider, uh, the 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:49.040 the sort of going down the acting lane because you 1:46:49.080 --> 1:46:52.880 were so charismatic, you know, I never you should have 1:46:52.960 --> 1:46:53.479 done movies. 1:46:55.160 --> 1:46:57.479 You know, I've had many people come to me. I've 1:46:57.520 --> 1:47:00.599 even gone to auditions. I flupped. Oh my god, my 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:04.160 mouth one more. It's not for me. That's somebody. 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:06.320 The audition. 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:09.840 I'm just like, you know, panic, that's for somebody who 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:13.080 has who has studied. I've gone there and live literally 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:15.559 couldn't read the lines. My mouth wouldn't move. I was 1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:18.400 so afraid. I said, this is not for me. I 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:21.360 don't have I don't have up to get I don't 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:23.920 want to support. But you know what I have a 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:27.200 passion for, and that's coming out. And here's here's a 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:31.480 commercial that I'm gonna drop that I'm doing audio books. 1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:34.799 Okay, yeah, I doing. 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:40.439 Fiction and I'm doing the characters with soundtrack and all that. Yeah. 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:45.439 Yeah's really really episodic adventures. It's really really going. 1:47:45.360 --> 1:47:46.720 To love that transition. 1:47:47.120 --> 1:47:51.360 Yes, and I love it. I love it a couple 1:47:52.200 --> 1:47:55.320 the newest one where I've written. I've written several books. 1:47:55.479 --> 1:47:58.519 I haven't released them because I'm creating the audiobook from 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:02.880 these concepts. But the new one, The Strokes, is coming 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:09.480 out probably in Jerry is mixing the last song, probably 1:48:10.240 --> 1:48:13.920 maybe December, if not December, first of the year. And 1:48:13.960 --> 1:48:16.800 it's really really cool. It's because I'm looking at the 1:48:16.840 --> 1:48:20.320 our demographics and women now being a majority of the 1:48:20.360 --> 1:48:24.080 bread winners. But we're busy. We're taking the kids to school, 1:48:24.800 --> 1:48:27.000 we're going to work. Then we got to get off work, 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:28.800 and we got to go pick up the kids. Then 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:30.200 we got to come back home, and then we got 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:32.120 to cook and get them to bed. We don't have 1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:35.439 time to read a book. So these episodic adventures are 1:48:35.479 --> 1:48:37.840 things you can put in that you can listen to 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:41.559 on your way to soccer practice. You know it comes back, 1:48:41.760 --> 1:48:45.080 and they're so funny and exciting. The first one is 1:48:45.080 --> 1:48:47.840 The Strokes. It's a racial thing about a woman who's 1:48:47.880 --> 1:48:53.759 transformed by a a racist white woman who's transformed. Something 1:48:53.800 --> 1:48:56.040 happens to where she has to be transformed by a 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:59.640 black woman who's in her proximity, and she changes for 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:03.439 the best. And they're all situated into a nursing home, 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:08.040 and you also get the characters. And because if you 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:09.680 ever go into a nursing home, which I've been in 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:11.720 a lot of them, because I've been dealing with my 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:16.280 grandmother and my mother's health, there's some old souls in there, 1:49:16.479 --> 1:49:19.800 some unresolved souls, And if you listen to those people 1:49:19.840 --> 1:49:22.719 who are ninety years old. They're putting these racist white 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:25.760 people in with black people, and there's a lot going 1:49:25.840 --> 1:49:26.719 on in those songs. 1:49:26.760 --> 1:49:28.080 Interesting, but it's. 1:49:28.080 --> 1:49:30.840 Interesting because you learn about the souls and the things 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:35.280 that they've gone through. So this, this particular this sourst 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:37.840 Out of Your book kind of explores that you know 1:49:37.920 --> 1:49:41.040 that pretty much, if you don't take care and resolve 1:49:41.120 --> 1:49:43.880 those negative spirits and those spirits in the inside of you, 1:49:44.479 --> 1:49:47.000 now they follow you until the rest of your life. 1:49:47.280 --> 1:49:51.280 So that's what this book is about. Yeah, Yeah, it's 1:49:51.280 --> 1:49:53.479 really I love it. 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:54.080 I like that. 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:55.960 Yeah, I've been talking to you. I've been you know, 1:49:56.080 --> 1:50:00.360 I've been talking to some heavy hitters about it, you know, HarperCollins, Oh, 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:08.559 talk about it. Yeah, and Patrick Ovid Harper College. We've 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:11.400 been discussing it for for a while. And it's just 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:14.000 so it's such a new concept. It's not your typical 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:16.760 audio book that he doesn't know what to quite. We're 1:50:16.760 --> 1:50:19.320 trying to fit it into it because the beauty of it. 1:50:19.880 --> 1:50:22.519 Quest is also the soundtrack is. 1:50:22.439 --> 1:50:29.599 Available, right, Okay, Okay, Wow, I'm glad to know that 1:50:29.640 --> 1:50:35.040 you're still having dreams and you're you're you're still manifesting 1:50:35.080 --> 1:50:38.800 it and the fact that you know, you allowed us 1:50:38.800 --> 1:50:43.439 to you know, gave us the honor of being your 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:48.160 audience to to really learn of your story and your history. 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:50.160 And thank you, you. 1:50:50.120 --> 1:50:52.960 Know because again, like there there weren't platforms like this 1:50:53.080 --> 1:50:56.600 when I was a kid wanting to know of my 1:50:56.640 --> 1:50:59.200 favorite groups that I saw on television. And you know, 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:01.719 like if you weren't in right on magazine, it wasn't 1:51:01.800 --> 1:51:04.360 like Rolling Stone was going to take the time out 1:51:04.400 --> 1:51:06.679 to give you guys the same building that they would 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:07.920 give like the Go Gos. 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:13.760 Or that's exactly exactly. Yeah, absolutely, wow, absolutely, But I'm 1:51:13.800 --> 1:51:18.400 honored to to be here really yet and you invited 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:20.880 me onto your show. This is like really a cool 1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:21.720 thing for me. 1:51:21.880 --> 1:51:26.280 Wow. Well I'm glad you did it, you know. Yeah, 1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:29.599 Ladies and gentlemen, the the the Immortal Burnon de Cooper 1:51:29.760 --> 1:51:32.080 or in Quest Love Supreme. I thank you very much 1:51:32.080 --> 1:51:32.519 for coming. 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:35.280 Thank you girl band. 1:51:37.200 --> 1:51:43.160 Uh, Sugar Steve and Ficolo you have to say on behalf. 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:48.519 Can we say goodbye for ourselves? Look, dude, this is 1:51:48.560 --> 1:51:54.439 my love piece and soul dude all Sugar Steve Yeah 1:51:54.560 --> 1:51:59.639 and unpaid Bill. You got any last words, sugar Steve? Yeah? Anyway, 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:07.599 We'll see you on the next go round. Yo, what's up? 1:52:07.640 --> 1:52:09.920 This is fante. Make sure you keep up with us 1:52:09.920 --> 1:52:12.880 on Instagram, at QLs and let us know what you think. 1:52:13.000 --> 1:52:14.960 Who should be next to sit down with us? Don't 1:52:14.960 --> 1:52:17.880 forget to subscribe to our podcast, all right peace? 1:52:24.680 --> 1:52:31.040 What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 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