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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. What's up? This is Quest Love and

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Speaker 2: this is another episode of Quest Love Supreme. We got

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Speaker 2: the Team Supreme with us right now, the one and

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Speaker 2: the only Sugar Steve Yo Yo. How goes it to?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow? Oh you're your shock that I actually care

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Speaker 2: about your well being?

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Speaker 3: Yes, but no, I'm feeling good. Everything's good. So glad

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Speaker 3: to be here with Team Supreme and Burn Yeah, gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Great, uh Fan Ticolo, North Carolina. Yeah, man, I'm good,

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Speaker 2: brother O bit chill fighting for his uh, his his

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Speaker 2: rights and his masters and listen or as we call

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Speaker 2: it in the music business, Wednesday, whatever I feel you,

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Speaker 2: I feel you, uh, and and our our diva that

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Speaker 2: he's left to. That was my f's going.

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Speaker 4: It's good.

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Speaker 5: I'm mad we ain't doing no roll call because I'm

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Speaker 5: just we were doing right now.

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Speaker 6: I would really quill this.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I know, man, we're gonna but by the time,

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Speaker 2: hopefully someone will invent a system that will you know,

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Speaker 2: fix all the latency problems or you know, for roll

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Speaker 2: call h Ladies and gentlemen, I will say that speaking

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Speaker 2: of Diva, our guest today is probably I mean, she's

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Speaker 2: beyond diva, she is beyond queen, she is beyond legend.

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Speaker 2: She just is. And I'll say that, I know it's

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Speaker 2: hard to imagine. I'm not trying to sound like Grandpa.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that, like all my tales of music starts

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Speaker 2: with the like we're back in my day. But you know,

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Speaker 2: it's really it's really hard to imagine, like a like

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Speaker 2: a time period in which being in a band like

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Speaker 2: wasn't like a novel idea. And you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: can happen in thirty five years. Yes, we're now living

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Speaker 2: in the age of the solo act, and you know

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Speaker 2: a lot of these acts are chasing perfection. We're pre

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Speaker 2: recorded tracks. But I mean, there was there was a

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Speaker 2: time in history where you know, where collaboration was key.

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Speaker 2: Magic came and in numbers, and it was it was

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Speaker 2: a thing to see, you know, to watch people as

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Speaker 2: a unit kick gas. And I will say that our

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Speaker 2: guest really personifies that. You know, the band that she

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Speaker 2: established in the late seventies, known as Climax was pretty

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Speaker 2: much you know, I'll say that kind of sort of

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Speaker 2: a nominally consisting of badass women playing instruments which you

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Speaker 2: know sad to say that again, like the fact that

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Speaker 2: that's a novelty shows you like the the sad state

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Speaker 2: of of where we are right now and music. But

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Speaker 2: you know this particular band, you know, the hits were

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Speaker 2: a plenty, one of the best puns in music. You know,

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Speaker 2: ment all pause, the anthemic don't mess with me anthem

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Speaker 2: meeting in the ladies room.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention because I'm not in the mood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the forever prom anthem from my era. This

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Speaker 2: sho so many hits, so many hits, the name Sexy Divas,

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Speaker 2: Need Love to and Everything. Not to mention her work

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Speaker 2: as a producer with Cheryl Lin, Paul Abdul, Pat Metler,

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Speaker 2: Shallamar and I can't wait till we start talking about

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Speaker 2: Madam X. Madame X is probably the most expensive record

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Speaker 2: I ever purchased on eBay. This before I knew that

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Speaker 2: you can rip songs off of YouTube. So anyway, ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, please welcome to our show the one and

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Speaker 2: only the legendary diva of all divas, Bernadette Cooper to

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Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Hi christ Yo.

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Speaker 2: I noticed something. When a microphone is present, I cannot

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Speaker 2: whistle my whistles. I was trying to whistle when it

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Speaker 2: was just like look like I was like blowing kisses

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Speaker 2: at us. Yeah. Anyway, So the Cooper, how are you today?

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Speaker 2: How's it going.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing Wilson honor, honor to be here with all

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Speaker 6: of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. What what part of the world are you

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Speaker 2: in right now?

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Speaker 6: Right now? I'm in Westchester right now. My studio is here.

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Speaker 4: Not that, not your west Chester, My west Chester.

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Speaker 2: Oh there's a west Chester, California.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yo, you're down the block.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you were named.

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Speaker 6: I got my studio out here. I'm working. Jerry Brown

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Speaker 6: told me to say hello, the.

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Speaker 2: Lesendary Jerry Brown, the engineer Jerry Brown. Yes, yes, is

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Speaker 2: it Christmas in his studio right now? That guy's name

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Speaker 2: keeps coming.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he told me hello. He just actually he was

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Speaker 6: mixing room and he just did. He worked on John Legend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his Christmas. Yeah. Jerry's world famous for his his

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Speaker 6: The mood lamps and his lights and his candos and

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Speaker 6: he brings the sexy does Okay.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard his designs described as sexy, like he

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Speaker 2: always looked at the cheerful and had like when we're there,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's Christmas. I feel like I should be,

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Speaker 2: you know, bringing a gift or whatever. But exactly, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, Uh, of course, being on the show puts

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Speaker 2: us in the the position of always having access to

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Speaker 2: a lot of the acts that we grew up, one

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Speaker 2: that we feel that haven't been praised enough for, haven't

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Speaker 2: gotten that much attention. And what was weird is that

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Speaker 2: I work at Rockefeller Plaza, which I consider is sort

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Speaker 2: of like a university for comedy. That's where like Seth

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Speaker 2: Meyers and The Tonight Show with Jimmy fallon Saturday Night

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Speaker 2: Live and all these these legendary New York shows are shot,

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Speaker 2: and whenever Saturday Night Live is in season, I'm usually

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Speaker 2: there to watch tapings of the show. And this year

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Speaker 2: was like really something special in which just out of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: they did this really awesome sketch. Yes, based in the

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Speaker 4: I was hoping you were going to where I could follow.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you know what, it's actually the second one, the

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Speaker 2: Halle Berry halle Berry right right, Yeah, I totally I

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Speaker 2: remember I was laughing because it was so authentic and

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Speaker 2: so on point. Yeah, I was, you know, the audience

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Speaker 2: and I knew the reference point, you know, whereas I

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Speaker 2: remember grilling Steve Higgins, who's sort of like Jimmy's sidekick

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Speaker 2: I just grilled him like, yo, like you guys did

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Speaker 2: such a deep cut inside joke that like who who

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Speaker 2: in your audience do you think we're really remember like climax,

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Speaker 2: and the very specifics of like you know, Cecily Strong

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Speaker 2: It was so on point. I was really impressed, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to meet the Riders and they were just like,

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Speaker 2: you know, we like music too, and we go outside

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Speaker 2: the box, even though they were young riders. I was

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Speaker 2: really impressed that that they gave you guys, like really

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Speaker 2: a really good shout out for your legacy, like that

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Speaker 2: sketch is going to go you know down I feel

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Speaker 2: like that will be on their sizzle real way down

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was great. When I started, it was you know,

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Speaker 6: you know, I watched Saturday Night Live every night, every

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Speaker 6: Saturday night. Yeah, and to sit there in bed, you know,

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Speaker 6: you got your popcorn and all of a sudden, bam,

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Speaker 6: It's like, oh wow, it was great. It was a

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Speaker 6: great honor and.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know it was coming that. That's awesome, isn't.

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Speaker 5: It Isn't that good from a license and perspective too, right,

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Speaker 5: Like when they do something like that burned, that is

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Speaker 5: a good thing.

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Speaker 6: You for real, you know sometimes you know when royalty

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Speaker 6: time comes, you know, then I would really know. Sometimes

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Speaker 6: sometimes it is and sometimes you.

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Speaker 4: Know, sometimes it's just sparks sales people, and.

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Speaker 6: I don't call them up and go, hey, where's my check.

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Speaker 6: I don't do that. I just I just kind of

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Speaker 6: enjoyed the moment and and you know, I'm honored.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think like when when it's done in parody,

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Speaker 2: it's not the same as like clearing a sample. Wow,

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Speaker 2: they're kind of they're kind of parody laws that, but

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Speaker 2: I think they actually did meeting in the ladies. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: they did the Yeah, so it's just it's like a

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Speaker 2: standard payment thing. But hopefully that plant seeds with you know,

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Speaker 2: with an audience, and they'll do the research and record. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's how that's how legends.

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Speaker 6: Are made, and promoters will will remember that we're here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Oh wow, I didn't think about that.

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Speaker 2: So many questions about that, So I would like to

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Speaker 2: know because I really don't, you know, besides like the

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Horner, I really don't know. I mean, there's not

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Speaker 2: there haven't been that much in depth interviews with you guys,

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Speaker 2: even though you guys were doing the numbers. You guys

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Speaker 2: were like doing massive pop hits. So I'm glad that

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Speaker 6: Uh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We were you born in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 6: Yes? I was born in Los Angeles, lived in Compton, Inglewood, Hollywood,

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Speaker 6: Los Angeles. Then I moved to New York for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you tell us? Can you tell me what

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Speaker 2: your first musical memory was.

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Speaker 6: Wow, when you say musical memory like band.

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Speaker 2: That I know just from as a baby, Like what

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Speaker 6: Of course, you know, Rita Franklin was my was my

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Speaker 6: played in my household when there was happy times, when

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Speaker 6: they were sad times. So Rita was a person that

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Speaker 6: her and her vocal movements and her hooks and and

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Speaker 6: it made me a better writer by the Rita Franklin songs.

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Speaker 6: And then of course moving on Dio Daddo. Remember Dio Daddo. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was a little bit of all those guys. Jeff Beck,

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Speaker 6: you know, I really got into that scene and kind

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Speaker 2: Say what was your what was the family record collection,

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Speaker 2: what was what was the established records that were in

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Speaker 2: the album that you purchased with your own money, Like

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Speaker 2: this is something I want out out of your parents.

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Speaker 6: Range Areta Gladys, you know Ray Charles, that was the

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Speaker 6: what I when I went out in about were songs like,

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Speaker 6: as I said, the Theodaddo's, the I got really into

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Speaker 6: the I Cantina Turner. I really loved them. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's not really much when I look back, it kind

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Speaker 6: of I had a range of people that I really

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Speaker 6: really loved, Michael Henderson. All those kind of people are

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Speaker 6: the people I used to come home from high school

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Speaker 2: In your household, were you like, did you have other siblings?

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Speaker 2: Like how was this music passed down? Was like older

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Speaker 6: I didn't really have a musical household, you know, other

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Speaker 6: than the songs I just mentioned that were played, you know,

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Speaker 6: which was ata. I got more into it when I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was like them. You was a fan

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Speaker 6: You know? I would pipe pole. He would peek in

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Speaker 6: We're not gonna We're not gonna mess around here. So

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Speaker 4: That Mary and Barry. That's how it happened. Go ahead,

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Speaker 6: And he said hit the pipe and I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: Wow, individuals on that one. If it was the guy

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Speaker 6: He was kind of a big guy. Yeah, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, he gave me a compliment first, he told

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Speaker 6: I don't do drugs. I don't, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: Thank God.

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Speaker 5: I'm because in a twenty twenty one America like Ike

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Speaker 6: Oh, no, what exists. It's still it's still going on.

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Speaker 4: It is a drug call.

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Speaker 2: We just don't.

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Speaker 6: We just don't know it because we don't, we're not

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Speaker 5: I'm at the misogynistic part of that, that the way

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Speaker 6: It still happens.

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Speaker 6: Well, I do have an alter ego, you know, and

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Speaker 6: It's really about loving yourself. It has nothing to do

437
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 6: with physical appearance. But you have to be a diva

438
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 6: to understand that, you know.

439
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: I'm just curious if you believed it at the time.

440
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 4: Were you just saying it?

441
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I was saying it from another from

442
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 6: an inner perspective. I wasn't saying I know, I'm the cute.

443
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 6: I was saying it because I had to find strength

444
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 6: and going forward in this world by myself with my dream.

445
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 6: So I created this character and to achieve that, you know,

446
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 6: and that character is still here. I'm still very cluse.

447
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 6: I'm still a very cluse.

448
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: But they're still working together, the characters.

449
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: We don't know that though, right, don't tell us how

450
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: the sausages made, like we exactly. So, Yeah, I was

451
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: going to ask, you know, oftentimes, especially in black households,

452
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, survival, you know, hooker crook, his job one,

453
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: that's what parents think, like get something to fall back on. Yeah,

454
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: get a good paying job, that sort of thing. Like

455
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: we're well, you kind of answered it, but what was

456
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: your family's feelings on you pursuing this dream or was

457
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: it like like you got to the age of nineteen

458
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: to make it or else, you know, you got to

459
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: work at the post office. Like did they give you

460
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: ultimatums or were they quasi nurturing, you know? Or were

461
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: they church people?

462
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 6: They it was a little bit of all of it.

463
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 6: The bottom line is that they weren't feeling it. Nobody,

464
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 6: and you know I was. My plan was to go

465
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 6: to law school and become an attorney and to do that.

466
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 6: And they were kind of like all behind me for

467
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 6: a mail car and took care of me and all

468
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 6: that stuff. But one day, sitting and my accounting class,

469
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 6: which was an elective that I had to take, which

470
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 6: I was sitting there looking at the my teacher like,

471
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 6: I don't want to be here anymore. I want to

472
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 6: play the drums. I want to be in a band.

473
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 6: I'm never coming back again. So I got up and

474
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 6: I left in my class and I said, that's when

475
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 6: I began my search for the all girl band. Yeah,

476
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 6: there was coped. Well you know what it was. You

477
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 6: have to understand that I was an honest student. So

478
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 6: I got out of high school fast. Yeah, yeah, so I.

479
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Was kind of which high school did you go to?

480
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 6: I went to Compton and Inglewood High School. I graduated

481
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 6: from Inglewood High School. I went to Compton my what

482
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 6: ninth and tenth, my tenth and eleventh grade, and then

483
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 6: I graduated. My mother moved to Inglewood and I graduated

484
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 6: from Inglewood.

485
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so I gotta know what, you know, when most

486
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: of us here, especially us non California natives here about Compton,

487
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: of course we start just thinking the legend of whatever

488
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: NWA was painting about what Compton was represented.

489
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 5: Yea until them patris Patrius Russian Patrisse Russianlass.

490
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, she was, she was. She actually was a lot,

491
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 6: but she was. And then Hayt was funny. They were

492
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 6: out during that time. They were out during that time.

493
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 6: So that probably influenced me a little bit too as

494
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 6: far as the girl concept as well.

495
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: Okay, but what what was your high school like in like?

496
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: Was it a nurturing environment? Was it more Jill Clark

497
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: lean on me dangerous?

498
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 6: You know, I have to say this, And you know

499
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 6: I was a tar baby, a tar baby, right, that

500
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 6: was the the the logo was the tar baby. But

501
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 6: those are the most wonderful years of my life in

502
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 6: Compton High School with the most wonderful Yeah, and that's

503
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 6: when the gang started. Shooting. Finally that started when I

504
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 6: was in school. That started happening, the shooting, and then

505
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 6: and and what was in the shooting and what kind

506
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 6: of drugs was in then? Uh good? No, no no, no,

507
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 6: the one before that people Heroine No no, no no,

508
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 6: it was Angel Angel dust started everybody was. That's how

509
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 6: I got into the That's when I got into the

510
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 6: music class. That's where I started meeting new friends. That's

511
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 6: where I felt love. Nobody had nothing, so nobody wasn't

512
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 6: trying to act like they had nothing, you know. So

513
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 6: that was a wonderful place to me for me, and

514
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 6: then my mother moved to Inglewood and I was kind

515
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 6: of all alone, you know, all alone. I didn't really

516
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: you know, so I graduated from high school early and

517
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 6: I was able to, you know, go to college.

518
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, not being from California, you realize how far those

519
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 5: two places are.

520
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: You don't realize how far those two places are from

521
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: each other.

522
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 6: What Inglewood and Compton.

523
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 5: Just as culturally, it just seemed like yes culture, yeah, yeah, exactly.

524
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I think to an outsider though, like I would think

525
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: that the schools were more closer to Joe Clark's Lean

526
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: On Me, where you might not live the end of

527
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: the school day. But was it that dire or is

528
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: that just Hollywood?

529
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 6: No, during that time, it wasn't that dire.

530
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: P she pre that. I me remember.

531
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 5: And it's funny if you watch I don't know if

532
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 5: y'all when you watch them, that was them, right. They

533
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: came out over the COVID where they showed Compton before

534
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 5: Burnard death generation when it was like white folks, just

535
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 5: straight suburbs.

536
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 6: Know, it was it was cool, you know, I think

537
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 6: I think there was one gunshot nextwreaked everybody out. That's

538
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 6: why my mother moved to Inglewood. Yeah. It just drugs

539
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 6: angeled us. That's pretty much it. And the rest of

540
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 6: it was like a great experience for me. I had friends.

541
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 6: You know, you're talking about a loaner who made friends.

542
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: You know, I lived in Compton for one year as

543
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: a baby, but you know, I don't have any memories

544
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: as a two year older. But I do have a

545
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: photo of me at a crypt meeting.

546
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Because all my cousins, so.

547
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: I had a bandana and the Derby.

548
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 6: On you could have been a clip. I could have

549
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 6: been you.

550
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: Know, no, I was, I was you know, they were

551
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: trying to crip me up. Yeah, brought me to the meetings.

552
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: Can you tell me what the audition process or at

553
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: least what were you looking for in the audition process

554
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: that basically brought like Joyce and Lynn, Lorena and Sheryl

555
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: and uh well, Robin Robin.

556
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 6: There were a lot of different versions of Climax before

557
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 6: I got to thank you for saying this.

558
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that. I think there

559
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 2: were seven women on the was down with the hot

560
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: air balloon the first one.

561
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 6: I mean, even before that, and I was I was

562
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 6: still in the narrowing down process. Yeah, I mean even

563
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 6: when we you know, before Climax, all the Climax, it was.

564
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 6: I was smart enough to know, and I don't know

565
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 6: how I got this knowledge that the girls had to

566
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 6: be certain kind of girls in order for radio dis

567
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 6: Jock with the DJs to play on music, right, So

568
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 6: I was looking for sexy, I was looking for femininity.

569
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: I was looking for girls who could play and now

570
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 6: you know, and we had a camaraderie, so you know,

571
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 6: First it was Cooley, who I found from another band,

572
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 6: and she was playing with a band with her boyfriend,

573
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 6: and I talked to her and too joining us. And

574
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 6: then it was Lynn Marsby. They came a lot of

575
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 6: them came. It was a people called the Recycler where

576
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 6: you could put an ad in for twenty five dollars

577
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 6: or however much, and then people would respond to and call, hey,

578
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 6: I play guitar, you know. Then we had Jeannie Cunningham

579
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 6: was the first guitar player. Then came show Coolly actually,

580
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 6: and then how we arrived at the climax that we

581
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 6: are now, It was show on first, and then it

582
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: came Lynn came in through an audition. I believe she

583
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 6: came in from the Recycler paper. Then there were the

584
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 6: couple other girls in the group who I knew from Compton,

585
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 6: who I eventually, how can I say, I eventually let

586
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: them go and I found new girls. Joyce Soby didn't

587
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 6: come into the group until after our first album, and

588
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 6: we had a contract style we already had a recording

589
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 6: deal when she came into the group. Because I fired

590
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: the bass player. Now why I fired the bass player,

591
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 6: I can't exactly remember the reason. It was a conga

592
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 6: player and a bass player got rid of them because

593
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 6: for some reason or another, and mister Griffy came to me,

594
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 6: he goes on. This was after you guys want to

595
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 6: get to that point.

596
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: No, no, we take your time.

597
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Don't take you time. Love stories stories you never told before.

598
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean mister Griffy. You know me and

599
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 6: mister Griffy. Oh, I loved him. He was a wonderful,

600
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 6: wonderful gentleman. And I mean yeah, I mean to me.

601
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 6: I don't know anybody else's experience, but he gave me

602
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: my first opportunity as a writer a producer. And you know,

603
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 6: without him, I would not be talking to a quest

604
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 6: luck Okay, bottom line, bottom line, Okay, this man would

605
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 6: not only that, he would take us out to dinner

606
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 6: and teach us about wine and my first taste aid escargo.

607
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 6: He was a wonderful guy. He would call me up

608
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 6: and talk to me about the band. He was a

609
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 6: wonderful guy. And he called me up. He goes, you know,

610
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 6: why'd you fire the bass player? I really loved the

611
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 6: bass I thought the bass player was cool. And I go, well,

612
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 6: because for this reason, He goes, well, we're gonna do now.

613
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 6: So we talked about it and he said, hey, I

614
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: remember this girl, uh In Fayevielle, North Carolina, who keeps

615
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 6: you know, kept giving me. Yeah, who kept giving me

616
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: a tape. Who kept giving me a tape and all

617
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 6: these things, and I go. He goes, I'm gonna bring

618
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 6: her out here, and I want you to let me

619
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 6: know what you think. So I said, okay. He brought

620
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 6: her out. She seemed cool. Everything was good, you know,

621
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 6: she played the bass, He came to rehearsals. She was

622
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 6: a nice girl, everything was cool. He says, what do

623
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 6: you think? I said, can we just try her out

624
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 6: for a little while. He goes, no, we need to

625
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 6: move forward. We got the contract. I can't. We got

626
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: to get somebody stable in the group. So that's how

627
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 6: Joyce Sophie got signed, right, Yeah, yes.

628
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: Sir, did you know thatte Oh yeah, oh yeah. When

629
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Now, when I was a kid,

630
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know her from Fairville. I was

631
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: like five, but yeah, but I remember like all the

632
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: stations around the station we used to listen to when

633
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: I lived with my grandparents back in Robinson County. They

634
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: would always like when they played climax joints, they would

635
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: shout out Joyce and they was like, shout out yeah,

636
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: they she got mad love, yeah yeah.

637
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 6: And then Lorena came in one day from a rehearsal.

638
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 6: She was on her way to by word of mouth.

639
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 6: Someone said, hey, they're looking for a lead vocally. She

640
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 6: came in and blew me away, and she got hired.

641
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 6: She got hired on the spot, and she became the voice.

642
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Climax is is it always? Okay?

643
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 6: Now?

644
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: I mentioned that you you know, you said you fired

645
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: the bass player. But because it's such a rare, it's

646
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: such a rare to get memory fired is.

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 6: Such a harsh word. Let's just say it didn't blend

648
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 6: in with the concept. Okay, so I fired her.

649
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: But I just meant, was there always a concern or

650
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: fear that if you let a member go the amount

651
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: of work that you got to put in to find

652
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: someone that really fits a very specific criteria that will

653
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: make the band work? Like, is that always concerned?

654
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 6: We were young? I was young. I didn't You didn't

655
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 6: think about those kinds of things when you're young. But

656
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 6: you know, I just I don't know. I wasn't thinking

657
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 6: about that. It's just the concept. It just wasn't blending in. Uh,

658
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 6: And I didn't think about it. I just was like,

659
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 6: it's not working. And then mister Griffy was like, well,

660
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 6: what are we going to do now, you know, and

661
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 6: we figured it out.

662
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: Did you start to develop your own band.

663
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 6: Rules as you Oh, we had rules, Yes, we had rules.

664
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: Come on me a good one.

665
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 6: God, you guys are asking me that. I gotta think

666
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 6: way back. I mean, you know stuff, you know, you

667
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 6: know X amount of dollars fifty two dollars, five dollars

668
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 6: if you get the ban rehearsal late. You know, you know,

669
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: you know, you're fine, fine, fine, you know you know

670
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: we this is pre Joyce because that's another you know,

671
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: the original band, which was Lorena Show Coolly, Lynn Mars,

672
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 6: Robin Grider and myself, we struggled. We were such a unit.

673
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 6: We were so dedicated in the vision and trying to

674
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 6: achieve this recording deal. You know, we we starved. I

675
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 6: was kissing the the the rehearsal studio owner, trying to

676
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 6: get more studio time. We were doing whatever we needed

677
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 6: to do this.

678
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 5: These lyrics are okay, we.

679
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: Just just a kiss and get.

680
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 6: You more, all right, kids, I kiss got is two hours?

681
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 5: Yes, about okay, I get it.

682
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 6: Those were they were really pecks. They were.

683
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 6: He was the older cancel guy, mister Cooper, mister Cooper,

685
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 6: and you know Uh. Yeah, I don't know how that evolved.

686
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 6: I don't know how that happened. One day he just said, hey,

687
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 6: you know, and I was like, okay, can we get

688
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 6: some studio time?

689
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: Sometimes you got to you what you got?

690
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 6: Two pecks got his four hours?

691
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, you you mentioned uh the legendary uh President

692
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: Solar Griffy. Can you can you describe because I also

693
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: know that those nightclubs, like the Total Experienced Nightclub and

694
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: all those spots that are on Crenshaw was rather legendary

695
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: for a lot of those developing acts. Could you basically

696
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: describe what like black LA nightlife was as far as

697
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: like seeing bands and interacting with other bands and just

698
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: in general, Like I came up in a time my

699
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: time period of LA, pretty much the center of all

700
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: the action was in West Hollywood on Sunset which I

701
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: was told that was never happening like before, like nineteen

702
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: ninety five where you had to go. So if it

703
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: is nineteen eighty one eighty two, where am I going

704
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: to see like the bands I like? And where y'all

705
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: hanging at?

706
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 6: Wow?

707
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: If you're not on Sunset Boulevard, Like, were they open

708
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: to black people then back then?

709
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: Or I'm sitting here trying to search the name of

710
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: this club that was in Compton. It was a club

711
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: that Easy and Then performed in and they showed it

712
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 6: on their movie in the beginning. Yeah, I can't remember

713
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 6: the name of that club, but you know, I popped

714
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 6: in here and there. There wasn't any particular clubs. I

715
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 6: think the Roxy. Every once in a while you'll get

716
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 6: a good deal a band happening in like in West Hollywood.

717
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: Let me think, I'm trying to think where did we go?

718
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: But were you part of the Total Experience night club?

719
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Or was that like more of a seventies mid seventies thing.

720
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 6: It was the seventies and eighties, But I was just

721
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 6: kind of like, you know, into my my thing. I

722
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 6: didn't really do a going a lot of going I

723
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 6: which I did go to the Total Experience. I saw,

724
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: you know, I saw the dramatics. I saw the dramatics

725
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 6: wo Experience.

726
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then how big is that nightclub?

727
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 6: It was? It was a nice size, maybe about five.

728
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: Hundred people, so establish acts was that the House of

729
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: the Blues? The House of the Blues? Was that sort

730
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: of the House of Blues of its day?

731
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 6: Yes, it was.

732
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: Okay, so no act was too big or too small.

733
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: You can see Rufers and Chaka Khan at the Total Experience.

734
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 6: And then Maverick Flats Okay remember that. Yeah, people used

735
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: to go there dance. Every once in a while there

736
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 6: will be a band or two, you know. Yeah, and

737
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 6: then you know you you went to the Forum and

738
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 6: then you went to the the all the who was it?

739
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 6: The San Diego Jazz Festival? That was That was the

740
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 6: thing I used to enjoy going to and seeing.

741
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: How did the deal with so our Records come to be?

742
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: How did you get the attention of.

743
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: A We did a we did a demo and the

744
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 6: demo was sent to many record labels, and one of

745
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 6: the labels was so Lark Records. And the lady there

746
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 6: Margaret Nash. Margaret Nash got a hold of the demo,

747
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 6: which to mister Griffy, she was, what's the guy I

748
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 6: can think I can see cleaning now? She was Johnny

749
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 6: Nashley's ex wife. Okay, she worked at Solar. So she

750
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 6: went to Dick Griffy and said, hey, you gotta hear

751
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 6: about these girls. You got to see these girls, you know,

752
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 6: you got to check it out. She came down to rehearsals.

753
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 6: Saw Ius went back and told Dick with me. Next

754
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 6: thing we know, Dick Griffy was walking into rehearsals. I

755
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 6: see he walked in and he said he looked, he

756
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 6: saw we were playing. Oh there's freaky good. Oh he

757
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 6: was smiling. He left and he says, uh. Before he left,

758
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 6: he says, I'm gonna sign your go for a record deal.

759
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 6: That's it.

760
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: You were fine with that? Like so I seemed like

761
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: a logical.

762
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 6: Spot for you to Yeah, no one else was asking,

763
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 6: you know, and it was the first thing. And that's

764
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 6: what our attorney said. Hey, not the best deal in

765
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 6: the world. What other deal do you have? You know,

766
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 6: you get in, you make it happen, which is the

767
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 6: famous run swinging. You get in, you make it happen.

768
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: Moron Sweeney was your lawyer.

769
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: Yes, we were his first client.

770
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: What Yeah, legendary wyn Sweeney.

771
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 6: Okay, Legendary Sweeney. And he said, what else do you have?

772
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 6: He said, you get in, you get a hit record,

773
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 6: and you make changes when that.

774
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: Happens to renegotiate then, was it was it easy to

775
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 5: renegotiate with once we got a hit?

776
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just not not that I'm fishing

777
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: for stories. But it's just just like depending on who

778
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: comes on our show, there's various degrees of Dick Griffy's stories.

779
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: And she says she got stories.

780
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: I guess I could say that. I'm led to believe

781
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: that he was sort of like the the proto Sugar

782
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Knight of his day, no groom, Sugar.

783
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 6: Sugar was his bodyguard. That's how I met Si Knight.

784
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 6: Sug used to be Digri's bodyguard. No mist you know, listen,

785
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if anyone else's experienced, you know, with

786
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 6: mister Griffy. I can just tell you that he was

787
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 6: kind to me, and he was kind to us, you know,

788
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 6: I mean, did we get this or that? I don't

789
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure. But he he he was there.

790
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 6: We were at every meeting. We talked about things, we

791
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 6: discussed the men all paws, and we did it. He

792
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 6: didn't want to do it at first, you know, he said,

793
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 6: I'm not doing no song about mental pause.

794
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 5: And then the Lord he gets real complicated.

795
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: Yes, my mom too thought you guys were thinking about menopause.

796
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 6: So did he?

797
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: That was like, do you not know what a pun is? People?

798
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: Particularly?

799
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 6: So did he? We broke it down and I was saying, no,

800
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 6: it's the men all paused. When I walked into the room,

801
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 6: he started smiling. Next thing, you know that the record

802
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 6: was on the album.

803
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: I see when did the when the.

804
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 6: Beginning? And it became our first hit. We didn't even

805
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 6: know it because by that time, you know, there was

806
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: a couple filled albums. We were trying to figure out

807
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 6: what we were going to do with the next phase

808
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 6: of our life. You know, we were I'm going to

809
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 6: go back to school.

810
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: Ahead, can I wait? I don't want to glide by

811
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: those two records because it's two portant well one important

812
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: factor with you guys working with Jimmy and Terry. But

813
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: what I want to know is, you know of the

814
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: acts that were on the label, between Lakeside and Midnight Star,

815
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: Carrie Lucas, the Whispers and whatnot, they like the common

816
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: the common factor or the common denominator of most of

817
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: those acts that were hip makers of Solar was the

818
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: production of Leon Silvers. Yes, and I was shocked. I

819
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: came aboard on meeting in the ladies room, and then

820
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: eventually I found out that you guys had two other records,

821
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: and then I went and brought those and you know,

822
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: I saw like Otis Stokes and you know, the cats

823
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: from from Lakeside, and I always wanted to know, like,

824
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: why didn't you guys work with Leon Silvers who was

825
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: clearly giving everyone out, you know, handing out hits like hotcakes.

826
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 6: At the time, Leon didn't want to work with us,

827
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 6: and it could be because he was so busy, you know,

828
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 6: or he didn't really express an interest in working with us.

829
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, did you guys ask him?

830
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 6: I'm sure something, probably, I'm not quite sure I didn't

831
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 6: ask him. You know, I don't know if Dick, I'm

832
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 6: sure asked them. You know, I don't think he you know,

833
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 6: we passed him every day we saw him in the studio.

834
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 6: He didn't really have an express an interest in wanting

835
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 6: to work with us, so he brought in Oldest Stokes,

836
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 6: which was like working with Oldis and then was cool,

837
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: but it just wasn't the direction that we wanted to

838
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: go in. We were more independent. We were young girls,

839
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 6: but we were like really independent and fun. Oh just

840
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 6: kind of wanted to put us in a box of

841
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 6: you know, of your typical I'm your woman and you're

842
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 6: my man, and I'll do whatever you want me to

843
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 6: do kind of thing right, And we were like, no,

844
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 6: we don't really know. I'm not doing that. I'm not

845
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 6: gonna do that. So, you know, it took us a while.

846
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 6: Didn't take us. It took us. We had to get

847
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 6: with Jimmy and Terry to find a voice. That's when

848
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: we found our voice. They encouraged that.

849
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: So can you describe what working with Jimmy and Terry,

850
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: you know and like for for the second album, The

851
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: Girls will Be Girls record some really like great songs

852
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: on there that just never really got the push.

853
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 6: And I'm kind of glad. I'm glad, kind of glad

854
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 6: because it wasn't us. Yeah, well you know up into Jimmy.

855
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 6: Do you have Jimmy and Terry? Yes, yeah, no, they

856
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 6: came in with they didn't do Girls were good. There

857
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 6: was there was Odi Stokes.

858
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Well I meant the album. I know that they they

859
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: wrote wild.

860
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 6: Girls right, Yeah, Okay, that's when they came in and

861
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 6: they came in. They were sneaking away from friends and

862
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 6: they were like, you know, it was all they were doing.

863
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 6: So we were the first band that I think they

864
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 6: worked with, either us or the S O S Band.

865
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 6: I really don't remember you.

866
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: Guys, were technically first.

867
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were in the room when Prince called and

868
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: fired him found out they were working with us. He

869
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: called her up and they came out the room. They said,

870
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 6: we just got fired. Well, oh, I guess we can

871
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 6: start our new career now, you know. But yes, yes,

872
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 6: and no. Hey, it was wonderful. It was like a

873
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: breath of fresh air because here are these guys who

874
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 6: praised the mistakes. Okay, you know, we're going to keep that.

875
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: It's a mistake, We're going to keep it, you know.

876
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 6: And I was the one who was always writing songs,

877
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: and they fell in love with all my songs. They

878
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 6: were like, let's do burning that Cooper songs, you know,

879
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 6: telling Dick you should be doing these songs. These are

880
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: the songs you should be doing. Because all of that,

881
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 6: I know I'm looking good. That's the way we used

882
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 6: to talk on a daily base. I walk into the studio,

883
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 6: I know I'm looking good, you know. And they wanted

884
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 6: to put all of that onto tape. And that's what

885
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 6: they started doing. They were taking a lot of my

886
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 6: songs and putting on the tape and encouraging us to

887
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 6: write the things that we really feel and we really love.

888
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 6: So that's what they did.

889
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: That's good.

890
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 5: So when we got introduced to y'all, we was getting

891
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 5: introduced to y'all for real.

892
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: Everybody else thought they knew y'all.

893
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 6: When when Networker came out with meeting in the ladies

894
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 6: room in the mental pause, I mean, because we kind

895
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 6: of went to school with wild girls. That was I mean,

896
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 6: that was Terry Lewis. That was them kind of experimenting

897
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 6: with us, trying to help us find our sounds, and

898
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 6: they got it. It just didn't hit, that's all, you know.

899
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 6: But by the time they moved on and Jick was

900
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 6: he was he was available. His ears were available at

901
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: that time to listen to the things that we really

902
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 6: had because La Jimmy I hit Keeps Down and everything.

903
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 6: Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis encouraged him to open his

904
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 6: ears and listen to the tracks that I was writing

905
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 6: and the other girls were writing, and he was open

906
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 6: to us, so we were giving him. He just kind

907
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: of gave us free rain. You guys, go do this

908
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 6: album yourself.

909
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: By that time, were you there for the infamous Jam

910
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: tells the story about the I asked about a certain

911
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: engineer that they had to fire because of them destroying

912
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: the Heartbreaker song. It was like a punch in doing

913
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: the mixtown. The engineer had a race like one of

914
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: them I'm such a mess thing, and then they just

915
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: fell down a rabbit hole of trying to fix the

916
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: edit that was previously erased.

917
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 6: No, I don't remember that.

918
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: Okay, you never knew that story.

919
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: I wrote the song and I was there, but I

920
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 6: don't remember that story.

921
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, basically, like one of the I'm such

922
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: a mess lines got heartbreak, I'm such a mess on

923
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: the Heartbreaker song, the the engineer was trying to punch

924
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: in make an edit and accidentally erase some of the

925
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: background and yeah and yeah, jam I was asking about

926
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: like a time when things went awry, and he just

927
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: talked about accidentally erasing like some of the background vocals

928
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: on Heartbreaker and them trying to fix it. It's yeah,

929
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: Well they fired the engineer, and I guess they kept

930
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: that from you guys, so now you know forty years later. Sorry,

931
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: But with meeting in the Ladies Room, well, first of all,

932
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: just as the band Dynamics one, how did you whittle

933
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: it down to the six members that we got to

934
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: know on meeting in the ladies.

935
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 6: Room through you know, being in the band. You have

936
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 6: the girls, and certain things happened. I think they were

937
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: went down from it was eight and then it went

938
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 6: down to six, and that's the group that you know.

939
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 5: Now.

940
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 6: There were two other members. I can't remember why they

941
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 6: left the group or why they weren't involved in the

942
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 6: group anymore, but it was a decision that was made

943
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 6: and then we were left with the six core members

944
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 6: of the group. And I think that was the reason

945
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 6: for our success. So I think it would have been

946
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 6: successful with those other two members or any other members. Now,

947
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 6: I think it was these are the ones that were meant.

948
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: To be so move forward, did you so?

949
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 5: Do you remember the rules from that point? They kept

950
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 5: y'all together, They kept you from having like petty arguments,

951
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: They kept y'all from some of the things that other.

952
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: Groups how decisions made.

953
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, well.

954
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 6: You know, it became that group thing where you know,

955
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 6: the vote, the whole group vote, which you know, which

956
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 6: was very stifling you know to me at points, you know.

957
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: Because it's your group.

958
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: Not so well, I just had more forward ideas and

959
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 6: I sometimes you know, when you have an idea, you

960
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 6: see things and people don't don't see it. Then you

961
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 6: got everybody kind of raised in their hand, and that's

962
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 6: very stifling for a creative person, you know. So it

963
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: was a majority rules.

964
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 5: That's interesting as you had the same hand as everybody else,

965
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 5: because even I mean I even think, I guess that

966
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 5: in the roots, like a mere hand in a turikan

967
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 5: is different than other hands, right.

968
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Like, But was it? But that's why I'm asking, was

969
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: it a real democracy or was it like the idea

970
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: of a democracy?

971
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 6: It was, okay, let's say this. It was all good,

972
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 6: and then when Joyce came in the group, a little

973
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 6: bit of a power struggle started because for whatever reason

974
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 6: she you know, she came from a military base and

975
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: she you know, so that's when things kind of started changing.

976
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 6: From the group that we had that was all for one,

977
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 6: one for all. Things started like everything became a vote

978
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 6: because the the vision, the vision had gotten interruption, I interrupted.

979
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: Very good. So would you say that Joyce was sort

980
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: of the because she was the last member to join,

981
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: kind of the outsider in a situation where there was

982
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: already an established rapport with the five of you.

983
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 6: Yes, and she definitely had her own way of seeing things,

984
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 6: you know, which is not bad in.

985
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 2: Her own opinions.

986
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was her voice, right, And I was

987
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 6: always you know, you know, one for all. We hadn't

988
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 6: even got to a point of an ego yet, you know,

989
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 6: we were we were. I was about, Hey, whatever's good

990
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 6: for the group. You know. That's how I lost control

991
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 6: of the name, because you know, Joyce came and said, like,

992
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 6: I think we should all be a part of the

993
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 6: name of the group. And I was like, sure, no problem.

994
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't you know, I wasn't savvy. I wasn't savvy,

995
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: and I was just kind of like, well, the band

996
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: and we're gonna be together, We're gonna make things work.

997
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 6: And that's why the name is so out of control.

998
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 6: You know, right now, I wish I would have known

999
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 6: better and had trademarked that.

1000
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: You know, So, could you tell me how your personal

1001
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: life changed. Let's let's let's say two, let's say three

1002
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: months after Men All Pause comes out. Oh my goodness,

1003
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: where you guys? Were the songs on the radio killing

1004
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: it and you're on you know, the videos being played everywhere.

1005
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: And because I don't even know where Men on Pause

1006
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 5: across from meeting in a lady's room, they kind.

1007
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 6: Of just they listen, listen. We were preparing to go

1008
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 6: back to school. Lorena, you know, she's always wanted to

1009
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 6: be married. Everybody was playing in their life because we

1010
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 6: mister Griffin, you know, he stuck with us through all

1011
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 6: those Felt albums. We were all in the car following

1012
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 6: each other. I don't know where we were going, but

1013
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 6: I think there were two cars one two. Maybe we

1014
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 6: were all in the same car. Mental Pause came on

1015
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 6: over the Christmas holidays. You know how everybody goes on

1016
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 6: break during the Christmas holidays. After that Christmas holiday, Mental Pause,

1017
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 6: the Mental Pause was ahead and the record company says,

1018
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 6: you guys got to hit record. DJ's were playing, they

1019
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 6: were going crazy, and that's when our lives went on.

1020
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 6: Things changed drastically. First video, that was the first video.

1021
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 6: I mean, we did the Mental Pause first video. Then

1022
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 6: the Mental Pause came meeting in the Ladies fool right

1023
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 6: and with God Louis Silence put me into the studio

1024
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 6: with tave Mo and we remixed the Leader and that's

1025
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 6: when I added the you know, I had to leave

1026
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 6: my condo to come to this, you know, that's when

1027
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 6: I added that, right, Yeah, and we did. That was

1028
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 6: the remixed version that became the big.

1029
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: Even though it was a little bit. I mean, I

1030
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: was twelve thirteen, and again, like there weren't many end

1031
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: depth interviews with the guys back then. I'm certain that

1032
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: there had to been comparisons like, oh, you guys are

1033
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: like a female time and you're kind of like a

1034
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: mar state. Was that bothersome to you or not at all?

1035
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 6: And Terry used to always call me they used to

1036
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 6: compare me because my personality was such like a Morris Okay.

1037
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 6: They used to call me burn to day, you know,

1038
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 6: and they wanted to write things like character because I

1039
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 6: didn't really know much about the time, you know, they

1040
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 6: were just doing the first time I heard seven seven

1041
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 6: ninety eleven in the studio, you know, and I didn't

1042
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 6: really know much, so I couldn't really pattern myself after him.

1043
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 6: But after after seeing his character and how much we

1044
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: favored there's so many ways. It was like, that's what

1045
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: the answer of when Jigglos need Love to I wrote.

1046
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't even know I divas.

1047
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, divas came from an answer that was like an answer.

1048
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 6: You know, I'm in the process right now. I'm working

1049
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 6: on the song, hoping to get more on it. I

1050
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 6: just I just think that would be such an odd concept.

1051
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 6: He and I have talked to please call him and

1052
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 6: tell him. He and I have talked about it. I've

1053
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 6: sent them tracks and he's like, man, okay. I called

1054
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 6: him up, Morris Morris, So I have this track that

1055
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 6: I'm working on right now that I'm going to send

1056
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 6: to him because I just think it's beyond beyond. It's

1057
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 6: beyond just a song. It's about being entertained and how

1058
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 6: the public would love that. Yes, a personality from a

1059
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 6: girl band and the girl band and the time. Yeah,

1060
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 6: that's great. We're opening up the ground is.

1061
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: With that, miss, But I want to ask what you

1062
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: say you're working on tracks? What equipment and like software

1063
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: are you using now to work on your music?

1064
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 6: You know, I'm protus and I write on the n

1065
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 6: PC x A okay, yeah, yeah, because I'm a PC

1066
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: sixty n PC you know two thousand, two thousand X.

1067
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 6: I know the MPC, So I grab see because there's

1068
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 6: so much you could do with it, when I could

1069
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 6: travel with it. You do vocals on another even though

1070
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 6: I haven't even used half of it. So I write

1071
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 6: a lot of my tracks which I don't really like

1072
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 6: to write tracks that much anymore because I'm lazy, and

1073
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 6: you know, I'm always questioning if the right snare or

1074
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 6: if if it's gonna sound right. So I focus more

1075
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 6: now on lyrics and melodies and content and vibe. You know.

1076
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 6: I just did something with old.

1077
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 4: Slat Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah.

1078
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: Call believe in us, dropped it off, dropped it in

1079
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 6: on the UK, and I'm focusing on that. So I'm

1080
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 6: taking a lot of tracks from people that I know

1081
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 6: or old things that I have. But right now, actually

1082
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 6: the track that I'm working on is an old Solati track,

1083
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 6: but I rearranged it, you know, so that it would

1084
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 6: fit me in more. So I'm working on concept now.

1085
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 6: I just think that would be such an entertaining thing

1086
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 6: that's gonna happen.

1087
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: I love man, that's so.

1088
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 6: Do Yeah, you work together. Me and I was a

1089
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 6: lot of a curl.

1090
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Can you tell us go ahead at something? What? Why

1091
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: did you guys pivot to Constellation mc A like, were

1092
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: you still technically under the umbrella of Solar or like,

1093
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: what did you officially leave Solar to go to Los

1094
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: Alas and MC it like?

1095
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 6: Was no solo records? Did a distribution deal with them.

1096
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I never knew the story of.

1097
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, Solar, we're on Solar, and Solar did the change.

1098
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 6: We didn't make the change. We kind of got over

1099
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 6: there cause Solar. You know, once the success of meeting

1100
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 6: in the ladies room and Climax became this big oh

1101
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 6: my god, after I miss you, it was over. Lynn

1102
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 6: Malsby wrote that, by the way, you know, that's the

1103
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 6: biggest climax song ever. Yeah, that was. That's a big

1104
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 6: that's a huge that's on music, baby, Okay, go yeah,

1105
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 6: so she you know, they wanted us, So Dick did

1106
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 6: a jill, you know, and we went over to Constellation.

1107
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 6: Constellation was his ill that he made. Yeah, I guess

1108
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 6: a distribution.

1109
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I didn't know, so he owned that.

1110
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: I was just going to ask you drop two names,

1111
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 5: and I wanted to know when you circle back and

1112
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 5: finally met them, what was it like?

1113
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 4: And that was Morris Day and Patrice Russian.

1114
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 6: Patrice was just a high and bye and I admire you.

1115
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 6: It wasn't a deep conversation like Tina, Me and Tina

1116
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 6: and Okay, yes, a lot of stories so more. Sometimes

1117
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 6: you have to bear with me because I gotta think

1118
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 6: I got to but More's day, you know, I see

1119
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 6: More's day. We do. We do a lot of touring together.

1120
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 6: I see him in and out. And the last time

1121
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 6: I saw him, he were in we were in Florida

1122
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 6: and I went up to him. I said, we got

1123
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 6: to do a song together, Morris, I said, we got

1124
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 6: to do it for the people. That would be such

1125
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 6: an interesting I'm coold send me tracks, all right, So

1126
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 6: I sent him a couple of tracks. He was like, man,

1127
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 6: you know, but this one's really hot. And even if

1128
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 6: it's not this one, somebody got to give us a

1129
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 6: track and we got to do a thing together because

1130
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 6: that could be such a great in.

1131
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: Lewis have to do this, they do.

1132
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that there.

1133
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Must be a four minute monologue at the end with

1134
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: you two trying to each other. You know what.

1135
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 6: That's the song that I'm writing, So you know, we'll

1136
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 6: see how it comes up. I'm gonna have to reach

1137
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 6: out to jam and Lewis and let them kind of

1138
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 6: hear this and maybe somehow, if it's not this, they

1139
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 6: can come up with something. We got to do.

1140
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: Let us manifest this.

1141
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm going to leave it up to you quest

1142
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 6: to make that happen.

1143
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the people want it. I want that. I definitely

1144
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: want that.

1145
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 6: Yes, that would be so and I envisioned it. I

1146
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 6: envisioned it with the girl band and that's on one

1147
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 6: stage and time when we bottle it, wouldn't that be hot?

1148
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

1149
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and burn the jette for for a couple of pecks.

1150
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: I'll mix it for you for free.

1151
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 6: You know what, don't try me.

1152
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: I come out to all it once in a while.

1153
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: Give me some sugar. Steve Steve. Steve is a legendary engineer. Yes,

1154
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: she knows.

1155
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: I gave him the intro.

1156
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll drumb on this ship. I want to see

1157
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: that happen. Yeah, I'll do it for free. I'll do

1158
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: it just with the calt.

1159
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1160
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.

1161
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 6: I really believe that in my heart, and by being

1162
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 6: a so called or a visionary, I can kind of

1163
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 6: stay around corners sometimes. I just think I have always

1164
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 6: felt that's a very strong concept and the people would

1165
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 6: be like, oh my god, you know it would be

1166
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 6: great for the demographics as well as the new generation.

1167
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: Right. So I'm curious to know with the success of

1168
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: where the Climax record was at the meeting in the

1169
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: Lady Ladies Room. What was your family's reaction to it?

1170
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: Was it sort of like, Okay, you made it, good job, you.

1171
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 6: Know what question. I don't really have a happy story

1172
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 6: to tell you regarding that. I didn't really have a

1173
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 6: lot of Yeah, I didn't have a really good family motivation.

1174
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 6: I'm very self motivated, and that's kind of beauty of

1175
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 6: one of the beauties of my success is I'm very

1176
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 6: self motivated. I really didn't have my family behind me.

1177
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1178
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 5: Because I also wonder once you found your voice and

1179
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 5: people realized it was so strong and maybe anti with

1180
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 5: a lot of these other female singers or groups are

1181
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 5: singing for somebody else, you know, writing or whatever.

1182
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 4: How long did it take for somebody and now tell

1183
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 4: you to shut up?

1184
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know. It's just it's kind of

1185
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 6: like I just moved forward and I don't.

1186
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 5: Right, So you really persevere throughout all this what I'm saying,

1187
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 5: like no family support and a strong female you know,

1188
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 5: whole mission and lyrics.

1189
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 6: You know, you know in the beginning, God, I got

1190
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 6: some stories. I remember when Dick Griffy send me out.

1191
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 6: There was a woman by the name of Kat Miller.

1192
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: I did my first song called beat My Face that

1193
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 6: Drick Griffy is like you, here's twenty five hundred dollars

1194
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 6: go on. And I got this girl named Cat Miller,

1195
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 6: and I think you'll be really really good with a

1196
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 6: producing her, you know, and she's out in Tennessee, so

1197
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 6: I want you to go to Tennessee and work on

1198
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 6: her song. So get the song. Went to Tennessee and

1199
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 6: the engineer laughed. He would refuse to work with me

1200
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 6: while I was there when I first walked in the door,

1201
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 6: but when I left he became best friends. I think,

1202
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 6: I think, I think when people see the talent, you know,

1203
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 6: it's kind of like you can't you can't deny the talent,

1204
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 6: you know, you can't, you know, And it's kind of

1205
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 6: like the passion and the talent. And I know what

1206
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 6: I'm doing and I enjoy what I do, so I

1207
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 6: think once you get a hold of that, by the

1208
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 6: end of the session, we were cool. He respected me.

1209
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 6: He didn't have it, you know. I would tell him

1210
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 6: what to do. He didn't want to do it at first,

1211
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 6: but by the end of the session he was doing

1212
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 6: it proudly, you know.

1213
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 5: So that's his excacted you to be probably in the booth,

1214
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 5: not at the book exactly.

1215
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 6: So that's he moral, That's that's the way my life

1216
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 6: has gone, you know, dealing with male males in the studio.

1217
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 6: Whatever I think when they see the talent, they become,

1218
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 6: we become, everything becomes really really cool in their appreciative

1219
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 6: that had been in my space and I enjoy being

1220
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 6: in their space.

1221
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: Wow. So you're saying that them offering their two cents

1222
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: of what they think it should be and getting unsolicited

1223
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: advice where it's not even asked for.

1224
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 6: Listen, I have a clear vision, a clear vision of

1225
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 6: what I'm doing. If I wrote it, I know the

1226
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 6: way it sounds. Now. My thing has always been as

1227
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 6: your vision or if you come up with something that's

1228
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 6: better than mine, I'm receptive to it. But if it's not,

1229
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 6: you know, I don't really like to compromise. That was

1230
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 6: one of the reasons why it was difficult for me

1231
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 6: to be in Climax, because I just felt stifled because

1232
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 6: the compromising is very difficult for a person who who

1233
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 6: was creative.

1234
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1235
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 6: No, yeah, I just.

1236
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: Thought about something I did read once was Penny Ford

1237
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: in the original No.

1238
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 6: Plenty four suits Lorena Lorena. Lorena was with child. Okay,

1239
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 6: she got clear and we needed someone to take her

1240
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 6: place because we were going on the road. And during

1241
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 6: that time, I did not believe as the leader of

1242
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 6: climax Set there was a positive image for girls that time,

1243
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 6: at that time, in the eighties, okay, in the nineties.

1244
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 6: Now now women are doing it. But I just you know,

1245
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 6: that was that just wasn't you never saw.

1246
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: That tradition following tradition.

1247
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so, and it was it didn't seem like

1248
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 6: we had little young girls, you know, who were following us.

1249
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 6: So you know, you know, it's right right, rightfully. So

1250
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 6: she was married or she you know. But so Penny

1251
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 6: was working for Ron Sweeney, that's the second as the secretary,

1252
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 6: and Royn Sweeney was like, you guys really need to

1253
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: take Penny for what she could sing. So Penny four

1254
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 6: came in and she blew the house down and she

1255
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 6: went on the road. I loved it. Okay, Yeah, we

1256
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 6: talk all the time.

1257
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she's uh. For those that don't know Penny,

1258
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: it is probably best known as the the voice of

1259
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: a snap I Got the power. Yeah, and amongst the

1260
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: other things that you know, she's been sort of ghost

1261
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 2: singing on.

1262
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 4: An her right now. She wanted shacka babies.

1263
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: She was, well, yeah, I think the story was that

1264
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: uh Shaka Khan was actually supposed to do I got

1265
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: the power and kind of. She admitted that she dropped

1266
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: the ball just tole Penny go.

1267
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 6: I just did it. I just dropped another UK track

1268
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 6: and with Penny Ford all over it. I love Penny

1269
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 6: Penny Is. There's not many vocalists who can sing like

1270
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 6: Penny for It. Penny Ford. It cuts, it cuts, you know,

1271
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: And I always say with these with these female singers,

1272
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 6: it's not about what your capable of doing is, but

1273
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 6: how you make me feel, you know. And like Aretha

1274
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 6: made you feel, you would pull over to the side

1275
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 6: of the road and I got to find me an

1276
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 6: angel and you would cry. Right. I'm sure you've had

1277
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 6: that experience right well, either she made you feel. These

1278
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 6: singers nowadays, they can sing and the apparatus is good,

1279
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 6: but it's about what makes you feel good. And Penny for.

1280
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: There's there's a question I always wanted to know the

1281
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: answer to for the next album, the self title record,

1282
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: the Climax album. Did you guys work with Rod Temperton

1283
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: or did he just submit the man size love song.

1284
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 6: No, we worked with him.

1285
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: Please tell me what was like.

1286
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 6: We're going with Rod Temperton, you know, Carol bear Fager.

1287
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 6: I remember it was all after after that the album,

1288
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 6: everybody was coming, you know, we were going up and

1289
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 6: smoking a joint with Carol beer Feger and you know

1290
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 6: and all of them and Rod Temperature had man sized

1291
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 6: lovel chould have been a huge hit. That's the biggest

1292
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 6: pop that right. And he he had his come in

1293
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 6: because he wanted to audition who was going to be

1294
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 6: the lead vocalist on it. And of course I'm not.

1295
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 6: I don't consider myself pious. I was just there, okay.

1296
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 6: But Joyce. He didn't want Joyce Joyce what No, he

1297
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 6: wanted Lorena.

1298
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: That's Iran. And considering that Joyce's voice, his voice is.

1299
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 6: Very specialized, it's very Michael Jackson. Ish Jackson wouldn't have

1300
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 6: been able to sing man sized love. I need you

1301
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 6: know you needed a man sized voice. That was that

1302
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 6: was the difference between and I had my That's what

1303
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 6: made Climax incredible. And and another thing that made Climax

1304
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 6: incredible was we all knew our space. We know, I

1305
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 6: knew what I brought, you know, and Joyce knew what

1306
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 6: she brought to the you know, Lorena knew what she brought.

1307
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 6: So it was like we just really step on each

1308
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 6: other's toes. We were like, okay, you come in here

1309
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 6: with your voice. It was really a cool thing in

1310
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 6: the beginning. And Rod Templeton heard Lorena and He's like,

1311
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 6: I want that big voice on it. So he chose

1312
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,879
Speaker 6: he chose Lorena.

1313
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: Was that initially on the Running Scared soundtrack?

1314
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 6: Yes? Yes, okay?

1315
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 4: So?

1316
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: And also, I mean you worked with Dick Griffy, No,

1317
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 2: Richie Rudolph, Well.

1318
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 6: He wrote Massized Loves with Rod Templeton.

1319
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: Right right?

1320
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't see him. I met

1321
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 6: him later at Tenda Marie's house, but I didn't see

1322
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 6: him there at the session.

1323
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: I was going to say, when you became established, did

1324
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: you did you have a clique, Like who in the

1325
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: industry was like your did you have running buddies were

1326
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: you cool with? Like who were your best friends? Like

1327
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: who did you vibe with that were artists?

1328
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 6: Tina? Let me see, I would love to say bet Midler,

1329
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 6: but that wouldn't be a true right I on one song? Yeah,

1330
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 6: but we were you know, she just loved the song

1331
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 6: and she did it. Let me see who did I

1332
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 6: hang out with a lot?

1333
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 5: Uh?

1334
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 6: It was Tina Marie mainly Tina, mainly. I didn't really

1335
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 6: have a lot of friends.

1336
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 5: Please Tina, please tell us, because she has been gone

1337
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 5: for so long that please just tell people something about Tina.

1338
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 6: And I don't know how we became. Tina had a

1339
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 6: lot of people around her all the time. You know,

1340
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 6: she was the people person. So our times together were

1341
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: very kind of solemnon with her and she come over

1342
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 6: to the house, We smoke a joint and we talk

1343
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 6: about life. She was so deep. Tina was no joke, okay.

1344
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 6: And we would talk about her past, her life and

1345
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 6: the things she was going through and relationships and all

1346
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 6: of those things like that. And then one day she

1347
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 6: called me up, Hey, come down to the studio. I

1348
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 6: want you to be on this record. Okay. I'll be

1349
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 6: down in an hour, okay. And then I called her back, Hey,

1350
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 6: I got this song, come down. I want you to

1351
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 6: be on this record. Now when I call somebody and

1352
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 6: go I want you to build a record. Well it's

1353
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 6: ten thousand dollars. You know, bad people call your people,

1354
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 6: so you know further moment, Hey, let's go to Chicago, okay,

1355
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 6: you know those days you could go buy your ticket

1356
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 6: at the counter, right, and San Francisco, let's go hang out.

1357
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 6: You know, it's not really not a bad story, it's

1358
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 6: just really wonderful memories.

1359
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: Oh.

1360
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: I don't want any bad stories.

1361
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 5: I wanted great memories or things that we didn't.

1362
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: You know, because so early we never just got to

1363
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: know her.

1364
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 6: She was just, she was just you know, Tina became

1365
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 6: my friend before I really went to any concerts of hers.

1366
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 6: When I went to go to a concert, I was

1367
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 6: blown away that this girl was my friend. All right.

1368
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 6: I was getting out in the audience and she got

1369
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 6: up a play guitars. She came out and the people

1370
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 6: I didn't realize how massive Tina Marie was. And then

1371
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 6: afterwards I said, wow, you're really something special, right, and

1372
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 6: we laughed about it and it was it's all good.

1373
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 6: It was. There's no really bad stories of me.

1374
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 5: Gotta be something made about her life, like she cannot

1375
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 5: be forgotten.

1376
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 4: It's just very interesting. You know.

1377
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 6: I can't really share a lot of things, you know,

1378
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 6: because she you know, I can't, you know, but all

1379
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 6: wonderful memories I can't really think of anything that stands

1380
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 6: out that that I should speak about.

1381
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: I know, I know around this time you started doing

1382
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: like production work on your own for other acts, and

1383
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: I gotta know, like you're the history of you forming

1384
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 2: Madam X My God, of which no, I'm telling you

1385
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: I loved. I was like, ah, not not like why

1386
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: did you give the song away? But just that type

1387
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: of girl to me could have been just such a killer, killer,

1388
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: killer climax song.

1389
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 6: I didn't write it.

1390
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: Why did you give that song away? Oh? You didn't

1391
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: write that.

1392
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 6: No, I didn't write it until I was you know,

1393
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 6: I had moved forward.

1394
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So it wasn't like you had that song under

1395
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: your hat before.

1396
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 6: No, that was a last minute song that was written

1397
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 6: by you know, I was. I was working on the album.

1398
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 6: I created the concept in my mind. First of all,

1399
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 6: let's talk about the beginning of these three girls. I

1400
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 6: still have a concept right now. I just don't understand

1401
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 6: why we don't have a three girl group right now.

1402
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 6: I don't get it.

1403
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 4: Group.

1404
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: Why is the only guys? What's the group?

1405
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 6: Where's the band? Where's the two guys and one girl?

1406
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 6: Where's the female migos? I don't get it. I'm not

1407
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 6: grabbing onto right right right had a climax. That's a

1408
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 6: climax exactly, you know. You know. I came up with

1409
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 6: this concept of the girls and I didn't even have

1410
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 6: the group yet, and I met with Sylvia Roan. Sylvia

1411
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 6: Rome was interested in the concept, so she came down

1412
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 6: to out to l A and she met with me.

1413
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 6: I told her about the concept. I want to do

1414
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 6: this in a way I want him to look and

1415
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 6: this is how I want him to do. She says, great,

1416
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sign it the concept. I said, okay, So

1417
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 6: we did the deal with Ron Sweeney and negotiator. Ever,

1418
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 6: I learned a lot from Ron, you know, and uh

1419
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 6: then I started formulating the group. I got the three

1420
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 6: girls who were came to be Metal Max started working

1421
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 6: on the project, and I needed this last song, Okay,

1422
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 6: I need Okay, it's just I'm listening to the album.

1423
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 6: I just don't hear I don't hear a clear big

1424
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 6: single and Cornelius Mims bass player, Yeah, yeah, okay, Cornelia's

1425
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 6: hit me up. I got this track baby, come on over.

1426
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 6: And you know I got this thing, baby, I think

1427
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 6: you go dig it. So I'm like, okay, come on over.

1428
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 6: I'm at the studio. I'm at studio masters. He came by,

1429
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 6: he played this, he played this track, which was actually

1430
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 6: a back it went. He was working on the song

1431
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 6: and the song went backwards. What Yeah, he was working

1432
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 6: on the track and something technically happened and the song

1433
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 6: started playing backwards. That's the track. That's just that.

1434
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: Type of girl. Yeah.

1435
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: Mistakes, Okay, Yeah, shout out to bad engineers man all.

1436
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: Over the world.

1437
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 6: On all my song's mistakes. I don't do I don't

1438
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 6: do the perfection thing all the time. You know, if

1439
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 6: it feels good, it's staying, you know. But so you

1440
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 6: brought me this backwards track and he says, baby, you know,

1441
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 6: it was a mistake. It went backwards, and I'm like,

1442
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 6: I love it. I love it. So I took it.

1443
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 6: I said, leave me a track, and I took it,

1444
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 6: and I wrote the lyrics.

1445
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 2: I got to tell you like it's I meant for

1446
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. It was a very unusual sounding song.

1447
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 2: Very shocked that it hasn't been sampled or I still DJ.

1448
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: I still played to this day on my DJ sets,

1449
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: and I'll say that at least thirty to forty percent

1450
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: of the time someone will think that I'm playing something

1451
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: like new like it just it doesn't. It didn't sound

1452
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: like anything that was in the marketplace at the time.

1453
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 2: How come that project was short lived? Like? Did you

1454
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: manage the band as well? Lord?

1455
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 6: You know, you know everybody's equal in poverty and that

1456
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 6: that statement comes from mister Dick Griffy himself, who I

1457
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 6: had a chance to visit right the day before he

1458
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 6: passed away, and I was able to thank him for

1459
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 6: my career, okay, And everybody started pulling at these girls

1460
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 6: when I when I created that, you know, and a

1461
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 6: certain manager, I don't want to say any names, but

1462
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 6: a manager came in who I really was told not

1463
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 6: to work with. And the next thing, I know, the

1464
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 6: girls that went by my back and signed with this manager.

1465
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 6: And Sylvia was not happy with it. And there was

1466
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 6: a clash, all right, and things got really out of

1467
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 6: control and things got crazy, and that's what happened to

1468
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 6: Mane Max pretty much. And they they didn't want to

1469
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm gonna tell you something. Plus a

1470
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 6: lot of women don't like to do this is with

1471
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 6: other women. A lot of women don't want other women's

1472
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 6: telling them would to do. They would rather a man

1473
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 6: tell them the wrong way than the woman to tell

1474
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 6: them the right way.

1475
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 5: And now call that trauma, generational trauma.

1476
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 6: And get I even get that to this day, women

1477
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 6: don't want other women in control of them, you know,

1478
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 6: and then they.

1479
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 5: Want a man, right, they want to manage it.

1480
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 6: So it became this thing where they you know, the

1481
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 6: guys were pulling them and then you know, I'm gonna

1482
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 6: give you a solo deal and I just said, go,

1483
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 6: I'll put another group together. And you know, it became

1484
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 6: a big It became a very big, a misunderstanding and

1485
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 6: a horrible thing. And the manager who pulled them away,

1486
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 6: Sylvia wasn't happening so happy with it. So it was

1487
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 6: a It was a horrible thing. So I tried to

1488
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 6: go forward with one of the other members who now

1489
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 6: is passed away but passed away from cancer.

1490
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: Which which one passed away?

1491
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 6: That was there were Dickie, there was Iris, and there

1492
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 6: was Alisa, Alisa Alsa, the.

1493
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 2: One that did the athlete.

1494
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 6: Ye I see once again, once again, I love the

1495
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:16,799
Speaker 6: beauty of finding your strength, your strength, your strength together.

1496
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 6: We got a band because everybody can't do the same thing.

1497
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 6: So we had we had Valerie who was that uh

1498
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 6: you know that Grace Jones kind of vibe. You know, man,

1499
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 6: you know, did we have Iris who had a more

1500
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 6: jazzier vibe that we had Alisa who had who could

1501
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 6: saying sing the same thing? You know, Yeah, it's the

1502
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 6: same same sing. So I tried to do a project

1503
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 6: with Alisa, but it did the vibe was all gone.

1504
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: Now.

1505
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 6: But that's what happened to Madame Max. That's a problem.

1506
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 6: There was no that's it. That was it. That's what happened.

1507
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 2: What was producing other acts, like a pleasurable experience for you,

1508
01:19:53,880 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: like working with Sherlynn and w you know, look, you know,

1509
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna fall down that rabbit hole, but

1510
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: this is not the first time I've heard that sort

1511
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: of response.

1512
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 6: You know, every everything has their stories, you know, and

1513
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 6: I have, you know, with Cha Lynn. I enjoyed Chaolyn.

1514
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 6: Cho Lynn had to manager. We just for whatever reason

1515
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 6: didn't really take to me. So I just remember Jerry,

1516
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 6: Jerry was an engineer. That's when I first met Jerry

1517
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 6: Brown Brown. He was with Cha Lynn and he says,

1518
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 6: I'm working with you, and then you know, Pebbles told

1519
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 6: him he was working with pebbles, and pebbles says either

1520
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 6: Bernadette or me. He says Bernadette, So Jerry and I

1521
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 6: have been together every since, you know, but that's what

1522
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 6: I meant, So cha, Lyn, you got you know, every

1523
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 6: every story has a little thing that comes up out.

1524
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 2: I've heard the stories, you know people I.

1525
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 6: Did Peoples and when she was dating Howard Hewitt, right,

1526
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 6: and I was doing this song called the Empty Sex

1527
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 6: that I wrote, which was which was a big which

1528
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 6: is a big voice record, you know, and once again,

1529
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 6: I have specifics of how I wanted that song to

1530
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 6: be you know, performed, and she had her ideas.

1531
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 4: So she didn't really have a big voice though.

1532
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 6: You know what, if you listen to the song she did,

1533
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 6: we did a heck of a job. She cried and

1534
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 6: you know how you would came in telling me, well,

1535
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was doing, and but you know,

1536
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 6: you know, but I got the best out of her.

1537
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 6: You know, every every there's been a lot of situation.

1538
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 6: Once again, the man, so.

1539
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: You're are you? You are you demanding when it comes

1540
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 2: to your your art and the people that you work with? Yes, yes, okay,

1541
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: I can respect that.

1542
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 6: Demanding in the sense of I already see when you

1543
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 6: write the song. You have a clear vision, right, you

1544
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 6: know how the melody goes, you know how it should be,

1545
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 6: you know what it should sound like from that perspective.

1546
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 6: I'm not mean or difficult, you know, I'm just the

1547
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 6: man on trying to get the best out of you.

1548
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 5: I'm just curious if you've talked to I mean, it's

1549
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 5: only a few. I don't want to say it's a

1550
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 5: few of your peers. It's it's a lot of women

1551
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 5: behind the scenes making music throughout the years. However, have

1552
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 5: there been some peers that you've you've spoken to and

1553
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 5: had like these similar experiences. Because I'm listening to you

1554
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, I wonder how Missy you know Elliott, Yeah,

1555
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 5: like from her beginnings and earning her respect and then

1556
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 5: getting getting telling other women and other men what to do.

1557
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 6: You know, Missy Missy was probably she came up with

1558
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 6: that hip hop world and she was who was the

1559
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 6: person who was? Was it Diddy whom? Yeah? So you

1560
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 6: have what you got Kimberland behind you. They much, you know,

1561
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 6: But I was used by yourself. Yeah, I was by myself.

1562
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 6: So with Timberland is saying, hey, this is missus, She's

1563
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 6: gonna tell you what you do?

1564
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 4: Who are your peers in that way?

1565
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 5: Then Bernie that like, who are the the other sisters

1566
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 5: that have been through the the same thing?

1567
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know, you know what. I

1568
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 6: got a story when I was forming Climax, I asked

1569
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 6: Cheeria be in it? Okay, why said only if as

1570
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 6: Sheila and Climax.

1571
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, y'a drummers, but you know she wanted

1572
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 4: to be.

1573
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, you know what she's bad? Okay,

1574
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 6: I give my props to Sheila. Okay, yeah, but that's

1575
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,919
Speaker 6: just a story, nothing bad about it.

1576
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 4: It don't have to be bad, right, you know.

1577
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 5: You guys want you know, you just want the good stuff.

1578
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 4: We don't want.

1579
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 6: No. I got a lot of stories, but I'm just

1580
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 6: so like a protective of a lot of people, and

1581
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 6: I don't want to say too much. But there's a

1582
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 6: million stories, all right.

1583
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: So I kind of say this not for last but

1584
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: because I never knew, even though I know that that

1585
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: v H one thing was on the air, I didn't

1586
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 2: see exactly what went down. But I do not know.

1587
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 2: Have you guys Climax employed it?

1588
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 6: You guys, you guys, have you got anybody were a

1589
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 6: that recient Billboard article about you, about you anybody right

1590
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 6: now if you want to google it Billboard and climb

1591
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 6: actually see what just happened.

1592
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 4: It just came out.

1593
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 6: Well, so it's probably last month, two months ago. Did

1594
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 6: you hear about Climax being inducted into a woman's house

1595
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 6: songwriting house of hall?

1596
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 4: Sounds familiar?

1597
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 6: Okay, we heard. We heard about it too when it

1598
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 6: was And then I'll get back to the VH one thing.

1599
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 6: But let me started the VH one thing because it's

1600
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 6: a prelude to this. Okay, during this particular time, Go ahead, I'm.

1601
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, I just I want to know what

1602
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: the straw that was that broke the camel's back that

1603
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: led to the breakup of the group or for you

1604
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: to leave because another group went on without you, like

1605
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: good Love and whatever the other songs were. But you

1606
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: know what was it like to leave the band that

1607
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 2: you started?

1608
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 6: There was power struggles and when you is difficult for

1609
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 6: individuals to say. And this would be a better place

1610
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 6: if we were able to do this. I'm jealous of

1611
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 6: the fact that I put in equal amount of work.

1612
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 6: Is you all right? I've been in this band at

1613
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 6: the same time in you, but all people want to

1614
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 6: do is focused on Bernidad Cooper. It's very very I'm jealous,

1615
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 6: I'm angry about it, and I'm mad as hell. Okay,

1616
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 6: at that point, we could talk about it and we

1617
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 6: can get through it. But what happens with people is

1618
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 6: they start to nitpeck, and they start to get in

1619
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 6: groups and go against you and all of those kind

1620
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 6: of things like that, which makes me, being from a

1621
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 6: family of women who have attacked me, when I'm in

1622
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 6: a corner, I come out fighting for survival. So I

1623
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 6: kind of felt like there was nothing big major blow

1624
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 6: upers fight other than the fact is I got frustrated

1625
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 6: with half I need to compromise my creativity for people

1626
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 6: who really didn't want me to be successful or wanted

1627
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 6: me to move forward in life passed them. So I

1628
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 6: made a decision after being I would say at sometimes bullied.

1629
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 6: I was feeling bullied that I didn't no longer want

1630
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 6: to be in this situation and there was the biggest

1631
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 6: move in my life. But I just asked you because

1632
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 6: I wasn't happy and I had to move forward. That's

1633
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 6: pretty much it. And I tried to stay, but it

1634
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 6: was this particular member in the group was the treasurer

1635
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 6: of the group, and I said I would stay if

1636
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 6: we got a real treasure and not you know, we've gone,

1637
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 6: we've gotten bigger, and this particular treasurer of the group,

1638
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 6: I would like in the outside treasure. I'll stay if

1639
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 6: I get my money and my things individually, because I

1640
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 6: don't want this particular person to handle.

1641
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: And they were like, no, wait, I have a question.

1642
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: So at this point in your career where there's platinum

1643
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:07,520
Speaker 2: singles and YadA, YadA YadA, you guys are still operating

1644
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: on that sort of level where like I'll collect the

1645
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: payment at the end of the gear, Like you don't

1646
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: have a business manager.

1647
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 6: Or what we had, but we had a treasure in

1648
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 6: the group, and I didn't feel good about this particular situation,

1649
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 6: and I was like, no, we need to go to

1650
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 6: another level, because it's about levels, and it's about vision,

1651
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 6: it's about growth. Everybody doesn't. Sometimes you just simply out

1652
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 6: grow a situation. That's pretty much what it is with claiming.

1653
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,520
Speaker 6: I just simply outgrew the situation where it's like a relationship,

1654
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 6: you're married, do you want to go back to your

1655
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 6: ex wife? No? You know, because you guys are going,

1656
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 6: you know, because you've out growth the situation, you know,

1657
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 6: it doesn't mean anything other than that. But yeah, we

1658
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 6: were still operating on that level, and this particular individual

1659
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 6: ended up being the problem who's still to this day

1660
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 6: is collect thing royalties that we don't know about. Now

1661
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 6: let's get to the VH one situation. So the group

1662
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 6: had expanded it for a while, and you know, Joyce,

1663
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 6: you know I had to say, hey, let's get the

1664
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 6: group back together. No, no, no, I don't. I wasn't

1665
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 6: feeling that if everybody was going to make that first move,

1666
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 6: I felt that it should be me. So I didn't

1667
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 6: go forward with that. And I never got a call

1668
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 6: from this person at all. And next thing we know,

1669
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 6: she was trying to trademark the name and it got

1670
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 6: we found out about it and it stopped it. But

1671
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 6: that's when the VH one came in. And then after

1672
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 6: the VH one story came in in the in the

1673
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 6: when I saw how people were still very very much

1674
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 6: focused on climax of wanting to do things and shows

1675
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 6: and things like that, we decided to move forward to

1676
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 6: do some touring. Okay, here we are twenty twenty one.

1677
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 6: If you will read then we got to.

1678
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm reading it. Yeah, the headline is

1679
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: clan don like the look. Okay, you want to say

1680
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: the name, Okay, I want to say member.

1681
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 6: Well, it's up to hear whether you want to say it.

1682
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 6: It's in billboard.

1683
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that was your quote.

1684
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 6: But you know, so this individual has been doing all

1685
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 6: these and savory things, bringing the bringing our brand down

1686
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 6: to your typical band that plays at the local UH

1687
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 6: food mart for for five hundred dollars, you know, using

1688
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 6: the name. So we tried to get her to stop,

1689
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 6: and she admitted that she would stop, and that she

1690
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 6: would only go out because you know, as sure Cooley

1691
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 6: for formerly of Climax or client. We have that on tape,

1692
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 6: all right. So then I get a call one day

1693
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 6: that all of our all of our publishing on Asktap

1694
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 6: and on aspaps specifically, had been changed. Our publishers split,

1695
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 6: including Rod Templeton, including a bunch of people, the publisher,

1696
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 6: all the splits, all the splits, all the writers shared

1697
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 6: have been changed into Show Cooley's name.

1698
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 4: How can you do that legally? That's interesting.

1699
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Nobody turn away from the farm and listen.

1700
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 6: Listen. People are not paying People just weren't paying attention.

1701
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 6: You know, So anyway, let's move forward. Sony gets involved

1702
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,799
Speaker 6: because they own half of that publishing from the Post,

1703
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 6: so they get involved. There was Sony an ascap trying

1704
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 6: to figure out how this person got in and changed

1705
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 6: Jimmy Jams publishing read Writers splits Climax not just us,

1706
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 6: Roy Templeton, all of these people come, yeah, sure COOLi

1707
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 6: So anyway, moving on. We called them, I said them

1708
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 6: a letter. They fixed it. She changed it back somehow.

1709
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 6: Then we got we woke up to wow, Lorena said,

1710
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 6: because Lorena and I we speak all the time. Shout

1711
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 6: out to Lorena, who's recovering from a cancer scare. All right,

1712
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 6: we just did a project together us. Really good. So Lorena, uh,

1713
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 6: she goes, hey, you got you know, look at this

1714
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 6: article and an article states a Climax Climax will be inducted

1715
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 6: into the Women's Writing Hall of Fame. All right, and

1716
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 6: we were honored. We finally came together as a group

1717
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 6: as being honored. Oh my god, I don't you know,

1718
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 6: we don't get along, but oh my god. So we

1719
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 6: waited around, you know, a week or two. I said

1720
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 6: a letter, thank you, We're honored, Linsen. The letter thank

1721
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 6: you Joys said it wow, no response. Finally, finally we

1722
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 6: got a hold of the people and they were like, well,

1723
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 6: we're given the honor to Ryl Cooley. So we were like,

1724
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 6: wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

1725
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 6: a minut and it I you know, in kind wrote

1726
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 6: a letter, No this Climax's group. No, you have to

1727
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 6: show us who owns the name. Shore was telling people

1728
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 6: that she owned the name. And and apparently this individual

1729
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 6: who's over this has some connection with Cooley and she

1730
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 6: was dead set on giving Koly this award. COOLi does

1731
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 6: a right right, I put a name on I put

1732
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 6: Cooley's name on Heartbreaker just because we're in the group.

1733
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 6: We didn't write none and so.

1734
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, and it looks like you guys are abandoned,

1735
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: right right, and this situation. To get out the.

1736
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 6: Situation, the one song that we did was never undermestigate

1737
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 6: the power over woman Shoe Cooley and I did that,

1738
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 6: excuse me, the very first song. But other than that,

1739
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 6: cho Cooly is just not a writer. I'm not saying,

1740
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 6: you know, she's not a hit writer. Let's put it

1741
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 6: like that. And if you look at if you look

1742
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 6: at all the names, so she she happily went up

1743
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 6: to accept this award. Right, So it was on such

1744
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 6: a big platform of Billboard being announced. People were calling me, Hey, congratulations,

1745
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 6: and I'm like, okay. So I called bill Board and

1746
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 6: I'm like, you guys have to give us a chance

1747
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 6: to respond to this, because you know it's not right.

1748
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 6: You know, they didn't say we're given award to climb

1749
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 6: sure a coolie of climax. They said climax, and that's

1750
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 6: that's a big coming from So Billboard we did a

1751
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 6: you know, we responding, We responding and Billboard, you know,

1752
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,480
Speaker 6: to try to set the record straight to make people understand.

1753
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,839
Speaker 6: And also, you know, Billboard grabbed onto that astap story

1754
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 6: because that was a big story with all the changes

1755
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 6: being made. So that's it. So I just sent out

1756
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 6: to see sent assist and hopefully, you know, because she

1757
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 6: was intent on going out as Climax and the original climate.

1758
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 6: You're not the original Climax, you know, So let's just

1759
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 6: that we can at least, you know, with the Truth

1760
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 6: and Music Act, you can go out and you can perform.

1761
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 6: Nobody's trying to stop you, but you gotta play fair,

1762
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 6: and playing fair is climax. That's what you and Music Act. Okay, yeah,

1763
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 6: are you familiar with that?

1764
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 4: I wasn't until you said that. I feel like I

1765
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 4: should be there.

1766
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I heard about this with Dennis Edwards.

1767
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 6: Well, Mary Mary Mary Mary Wilson of the Supremes, she

1768
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 6: helped to enact that law. That is, if you are

1769
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 6: a an individual member of a group that was successful,

1770
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 6: you have the right to go out using their name

1771
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 6: to make a living. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to

1772
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 6: be original member, you know. And and that's why you

1773
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 6: see so many groups kind of like, you know.

1774
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Going so many different versions of groups, like a lot

1775
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 2: of climaxes on the internet.

1776
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 6: There's a lot of climaxes on the Internet. I'm trying

1777
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 6: to separate that now and I'm really evolving into Bernadette

1778
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 6: Cooper and putting out music. But you know, I can't.

1779
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 6: It's synonymous. Bernida Cooper is pretty much synonymous. So I

1780
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 6: can't escape it. But it is what it is. There's

1781
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 6: nothing that can be done about it.

1782
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Presents the climatic divas, right.

1783
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 6: Right, you know, so and when we go out, you know,

1784
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 6: climax is much bigger than just Bernadette Cooper. Climax is

1785
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 6: coming with the hits so Bernida Cooper has a whole

1786
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 6: the whole other album drama. According to Bernadette Cooper, yeah,

1787
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 6: it's it's you know, so yeah, so Joyce is going

1788
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 6: out with her concept. Shout is going out of a concept,

1789
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 6: and you know, everybody's allowed to do it. And the

1790
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 6: main thing is we're doing the hits and people are

1791
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 6: it's keeping the hits and people's memories. So that's the

1792
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 6: way I look at it. I'm not tripping about it

1793
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 6: no more.

1794
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: There's just no ice cubes chance in hell that this

1795
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 2: can come to a place where you guys.

1796
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 6: We'll just I'll say never, say never. But I have

1797
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 6: a clear vision of where I want to go with

1798
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 6: the second with the second half of my life, you know,

1799
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 6: talk about it, which includes because when you go back

1800
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 6: into the group scenario, it becomes that whole compromise thing.

1801
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 6: I don't want to compromise at all. I don't want

1802
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 6: to compromise anymore. My you know, life is short. I

1803
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 6: want to be able to do it my way and

1804
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, go, oh, you know,

1805
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 6: Frank Sinatra, I did it my way, you know, and

1806
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 6: it kind of like no disrespect, but you know, that's

1807
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 6: that's the way I feel about it, and I don't

1808
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 6: want to shed you know, history is history, and everybody

1809
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 6: has history, and everybody has things they say about the

1810
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 6: members of the band and all of that. But I

1811
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 6: would never It's all good. We had a great run,

1812
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,879
Speaker 6: we created history. We should be honored.

1813
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 4: You know.

1814
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 6: I don't understand how they could do these rock girls

1815
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 6: alive and girls listen.

1816
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 4: I was curious. I was like, did Beyonce ever come out?

1817
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 4: Does she know?

1818
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 5: Because the whole girl band that she had going on,

1819
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm curious.

1820
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,759
Speaker 6: If she knew the the girls in the band. No

1821
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 6: woman who play instruments. Okay, that's what matters, you know,

1822
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 6: But you know, not to you know, not to come

1823
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 6: off vain or egotistical or any of those things, because

1824
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 6: you know, I'm just I'm pretty even, but I'm cool.

1825
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 6: I'm cool. I just want to move forward. And the

1826
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 6: girls are entitled to use the name. And if anybody

1827
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 6: is out there and you go see Climax, teacher and whoever,

1828
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 6: and if we're all playing fair enjoying the music, you know,

1829
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 6: because yeah, so when I'm long gone, that music could

1830
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 6: still be going on, you know, yes, And that's pretty.

1831
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 4: Much it's like interview themselves.

1832
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 6: And I'm going to ask myself a question.

1833
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I'm just.

1834
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 6: Playing with you guys. I mean no, no, no, I'm no,

1835
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 6: I'm good. I'm just you know, just moving forward. That's it.

1836
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

1837
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 6: Didn't we didn't talk about drama? According to Bernie that

1838
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 6: Cooper was.

1839
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm about to go there.

1840
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 4: That's a question. No.

1841
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 2: I was going to ask when when when you finally

1842
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 2: got to that came out in nineteen ninety, I believe

1843
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 2: you got the drama, Bernidette Cooper, How liberated did you

1844
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: feel and in it falling on you and like being

1845
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 2: your own artist, being your own voice, Oh my gosh,

1846
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 2: Like was it was it a breath of fresh air?

1847
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 2: Or that can that much freedom can also be scary?

1848
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 2: So for you, what was it like?

1849
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 6: Freedom? You know, it's a r I equated very much

1850
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 6: to what's happening today, even though a lot of people,

1851
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 6: I mean, we're able to put out music freely, you know,

1852
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 6: put it on you know, CD baby or whatever and

1853
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 6: put you music out. But back then it was freedom

1854
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 6: to me, you know, being in a band. And you know,

1855
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 6: probably that's why the album was such a cool album,

1856
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,759
Speaker 6: because it was my first taste of freedom.

1857
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I agree him and a lot.

1858
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 6: Of people was on that album. Lenny Kravitz, Uh, there

1859
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 6: was a Paulino Dacors. A lot of people played on

1860
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 6: because Jerry Brown was bringing in all those major musicians.

1861
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 5: That funny because as Lenny Kravis and you went back

1862
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 5: from the the scene of being in California back in

1863
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 5: the day, because I know he was a little younger,

1864
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 5: but I know he was out and about before he

1865
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 5: was supposed to be too.

1866
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I met him through Tina. He used to hang

1867
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 6: out at Tina's.

1868
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 4: You said, you was gonna give us a Tina story.

1869
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 6: What they come to me? I know, I met him,

1870
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 6: you know, through Tina. He would hang out at Tina's house.

1871
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 6: You know he was he was dating Lisa Burnett at

1872
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 6: that time, you know. So I asked him if he

1873
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 6: would playing. He came and playing, but but he didn't

1874
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 6: immediately got to deal with Version Right Records, and he

1875
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 6: told me he couldn't. He didn't want me to credit him,

1876
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 6: so you won't see his credit on the album. But wow,

1877
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 6: yeah he played on it. He played on Let's be

1878
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 6: the screen about it. That's Lenny pull funky guitar.

1879
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now I got to revisit that. Okay, yeah, wait,

1880
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 2: can you explain? Okay, have the set a long long

1881
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 2: time ago? The Howard Hughes song. Can you like the

1882
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 2: way that your mind works? Like how do you even go?

1883
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 6: Like?

1884
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: What was I know that the whole that album elevates

1885
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 2: your your personality and even more. But like from the beginning,

1886
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 2: like who was the who conceptualized that record? It's far

1887
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: is really bringing your character to life?

1888
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 6: I did? I remember I had the free I had

1889
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 6: the freedom to do that and taking things from a

1890
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 6: song by a song by song bassis and living and

1891
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 6: looking at what I had and what I needed, you

1892
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 6: know too, Yeah, I just took it. You know. I

1893
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 6: would listen to the song that Jerry and I. Jerry

1894
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 6: and I did a lot of that, talking about it

1895
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,799
Speaker 6: and conceptualizing what's needed. Oh you need something really funky?

1896
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 6: Now okay, let's see the street about it. Mini Cravis

1897
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 6: is coming. Okay, what do I need? I knew something

1898
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 6: about a woman who's just you know, who's looking for

1899
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 6: a wealthy man, because that's the reality of the world.

1900
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 6: You know, women, women love to be they love the security.

1901
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 6: So that's how Howard Heels sitcom came up. Yeah, that's

1902
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 6: how that came up. There wasn't some experience. It was

1903
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 6: putly from you know, just thinking about what's missing and

1904
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 6: what's needed.

1905
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 2: Well, you also mentioned Lou Silas, who you know, of

1906
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 2: course has had major success and has left us. But

1907
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 2: what was he like as an executive?

1908
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Lou. Oh going out on the road

1909
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 6: with him the first time. He was a point person

1910
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 6: who would take us around to the radio stations and things.

1911
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 6: And he got a fixation on Lorena, so you know,

1912
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 6: uh so we would go out on the road to

1913
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 6: deal with that all the time. And he was very

1914
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 6: very he had he had great vision and he would have, Hey, Bernadette,

1915
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 6: come come on down to the studio. I got a

1916
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 6: concept and I want you to put a concept on this.

1917
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 6: I think, you know, just talk and put the microphone

1918
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 6: in from you. He was very good at bringing people

1919
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 6: together and as a businessman, you know, Loul signed me

1920
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 6: as he signed me as a solo artist, so he

1921
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 6: was wonderful. He was at MCA he says, you're one

1922
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 6: of the first acts I want to sign, and he

1923
01:42:58,640 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 6: signed me.

1924
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, Like I know, like,

1925
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 2: was he more of a suit or was he really

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Speaker 2: a music guy?

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Speaker 6: He was a music guy. He had ideas, he had vision,

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Speaker 6: he knew how to bring the right people together in

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Speaker 6: order to achieve a certain song, a certain thing on

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Speaker 6: an album. Because you know, after I did the mental pause,

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Speaker 6: he says, Okay, you got to come back with that

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Speaker 6: same thing on Meeting in the Latest Room because that

1933
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Speaker 6: was so popular. That was one of the things that

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Speaker 6: people remember, I need that same thing on this particular album,

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Speaker 6: Meeting in the latest film. So we went to Lara

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Speaker 6: Bie and he turned the mic on and I said,

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Speaker 6: I had to leave my condo to come to this,

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Speaker 6: you know, And that's how that happened to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly. Wait how did you How did

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Speaker 2: you even know? Uh, it's so weird because you know,

1941
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Speaker 2: if you really look at the character that you built,

1942
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so it's such a precursor to what

1943
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Speaker 2: hip hop became ten years later. Like you are probably

1944
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 2: the first person I ever heard name drop like Versace

1945
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:18,799
Speaker 2: name Yeah, names I never heard of before that rappers

1946
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 2: would start just I became their birthright ten years.

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Speaker 6: Later, and in Tiva. In Tiva, I was fearless. You

1948
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 6: have to understand. And I was and I was in

1949
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 6: and I was in too close and they started sending

1950
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Speaker 6: me close and I just kind of like, I just

1951
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Speaker 6: kind of spoke my mind. I wish I really allowed

1952
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Speaker 6: myself to have. You know, now you have to be

1953
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Speaker 6: a little bit more resolved because everybody is so sensitive

1954
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Speaker 6: and the things that you say.

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Speaker 4: You know, but that's what age was for, so you

1956
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Speaker 4: don't have to do you know.

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Speaker 6: You know, I even think about it, you know, I

1958
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 6: even think about my demographics what they want to hear

1959
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Speaker 6: from me, you know, they you know, and I don't

1960
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Speaker 6: want to continue and be a caricature of my old self,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 2: So I was going to say, do you get tired

1963
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Speaker 2: of having to turn it on in a snap like

1964
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Speaker 2: other days where you just wish like you never had

1965
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Speaker 2: to invent that character too?

1966
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Speaker 6: You know, I'm naturally a comedian, so I'm always that

1967
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 6: comes very easy from me. The character is easy. The

1968
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 6: character is more easier than me being myself. You know. Yeah,

1969
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Speaker 6: I could bring the character, and I'm much more comfortable

1970
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Speaker 6: on stage than I am anywhere, you know, so I

1971
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 6: don't struggle with it at all. I don't struggle with

1972
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 6: it I I'm working on now in the product that

1973
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 6: you hear me putting out is kind of the the me,

1974
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 6: the evolution of Bernadette Cooper and me who has evolved

1975
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Speaker 6: into the woman, and kind of like slowing down a

1976
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 6: little bit so that I can perform my song was

1977
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 6: way until you know, I get older and older, my

1978
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 6: songs will be able to And I wish I could

1979
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 6: do a song on an album on Janet Jackson is.

1980
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Speaker 6: I think she would be good at doing that so

1981
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Speaker 6: she doesn't have to get up and do rhal domnation

1982
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 6: and all of those things. That's a lot to be

1983
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 6: dancing and all that. You know, now's the time to

1984
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 6: kind of slow it down and go into the new

1985
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 6: you and your and your demographics will follow because they

1986
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:28,600
Speaker 6: they're there too. They're there too. There's train age, you know.

1987
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Speaker 6: So that's what I'm doing right now with the projects

1988
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Speaker 6: that I'm that I'm working on.

1989
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Speaker 2: You know, one more thing, It just hit me. Did

1990
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 2: you at any point did you ever consider, uh, the

1991
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 2: the sort of going down the acting lane because you

1992
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 2: were so charismatic, you know, I never you should have

1993
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 2: done movies.

1994
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Speaker 6: You know, I've had many people come to me. I've

1995
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 6: even gone to auditions. I flupped. Oh my god, my

1996
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 6: mouth one more. It's not for me. That's somebody.

1997
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Speaker 4: The audition.

1998
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 6: I'm just like, you know, panic, that's for somebody who

1999
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 6: has who has studied. I've gone there and live literally

2000
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 6: couldn't read the lines. My mouth wouldn't move. I was

2001
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 6: so afraid. I said, this is not for me. I

2002
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 6: don't have I don't have up to get I don't

2003
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 6: want to support. But you know what I have a

2004
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 6: passion for, and that's coming out. And here's here's a

2005
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:31,480
Speaker 6: commercial that I'm gonna drop that I'm doing audio books.

2006
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I doing.

2007
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Speaker 6: Fiction and I'm doing the characters with soundtrack and all that. Yeah.

2008
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Speaker 6: Yeah's really really episodic adventures. It's really really going.

2009
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Speaker 4: To love that transition.

2010
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Speaker 6: Yes, and I love it. I love it a couple

2011
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 6: the newest one where I've written. I've written several books.

2012
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 6: I haven't released them because I'm creating the audiobook from

2013
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 6: these concepts. But the new one, The Strokes, is coming

2014
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:09,480
Speaker 6: out probably in Jerry is mixing the last song, probably

2015
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 6: maybe December, if not December, first of the year. And

2016
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 6: it's really really cool. It's because I'm looking at the

2017
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 6: our demographics and women now being a majority of the

2018
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 6: bread winners. But we're busy. We're taking the kids to school,

2019
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 6: we're going to work. Then we got to get off work,

2020
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 6: and we got to go pick up the kids. Then

2021
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 6: we got to come back home, and then we got

2022
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 6: to cook and get them to bed. We don't have

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Speaker 6: time to read a book. So these episodic adventures are

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01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 6: things you can put in that you can listen to

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01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 6: on your way to soccer practice. You know it comes back,

2026
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 6: and they're so funny and exciting. The first one is

2027
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 6: The Strokes. It's a racial thing about a woman who's

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01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 6: transformed by a a racist white woman who's transformed. Something

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01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 6: happens to where she has to be transformed by a

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Speaker 6: black woman who's in her proximity, and she changes for

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01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 6: the best. And they're all situated into a nursing home,

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01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 6: and you also get the characters. And because if you

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Speaker 6: ever go into a nursing home, which I've been in

2034
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 6: a lot of them, because I've been dealing with my

2035
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 6: grandmother and my mother's health, there's some old souls in there,

2036
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 6: some unresolved souls, And if you listen to those people

2037
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 6: who are ninety years old. They're putting these racist white

2038
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Speaker 6: people in with black people, and there's a lot going

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Speaker 6: on in those songs.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, but it's.

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Speaker 6: Interesting because you learn about the souls and the things

2042
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 6: that they've gone through. So this, this particular this sourst

2043
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 6: Out of Your book kind of explores that you know

2044
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 6: that pretty much, if you don't take care and resolve

2045
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 6: those negative spirits and those spirits in the inside of you,

2046
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 6: now they follow you until the rest of your life.

2047
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 6: So that's what this book is about. Yeah, Yeah, it's

2048
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 6: really I love it.

2049
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been talking to you. I've been you know,

2051
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 6: I've been talking to some heavy hitters about it, you know, HarperCollins, Oh,

2052
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 6: talk about it. Yeah, and Patrick Ovid Harper College. We've

2053
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 6: been discussing it for for a while. And it's just

2054
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 6: so it's such a new concept. It's not your typical

2055
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 6: audio book that he doesn't know what to quite. We're

2056
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 6: trying to fit it into it because the beauty of it.

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Speaker 6: Quest is also the soundtrack is.

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Speaker 2: Available, right, Okay, Okay, Wow, I'm glad to know that

2059
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 2: you're still having dreams and you're you're you're still manifesting

2060
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 2: it and the fact that you know, you allowed us

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01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 2: to you know, gave us the honor of being your

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01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 2: audience to to really learn of your story and your history.

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Speaker 6: And thank you, you.

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Speaker 2: Know because again, like there there weren't platforms like this

2065
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:56,600
Speaker 2: when I was a kid wanting to know of my

2066
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 2: favorite groups that I saw on television. And you know,

2067
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 2: like if you weren't in right on magazine, it wasn't

2068
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 2: like Rolling Stone was going to take the time out

2069
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,679
Speaker 2: to give you guys the same building that they would

2070
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 2: give like the Go Gos.

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Speaker 6: Or that's exactly exactly. Yeah, absolutely, wow, absolutely, But I'm

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 6: honored to to be here really yet and you invited

2073
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 6: me onto your show. This is like really a cool

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01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 6: thing for me.

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01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 2: Wow. Well I'm glad you did it, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, the the the Immortal Burnon de Cooper

2077
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 2: or in Quest Love Supreme. I thank you very much

2078
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 2: for coming.

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Speaker 6: Thank you girl band.

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01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Sugar Steve and Ficolo you have to say on behalf.

2081
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 2: Can we say goodbye for ourselves? Look, dude, this is

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01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 2: my love piece and soul dude all Sugar Steve Yeah

2083
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 2: and unpaid Bill. You got any last words, sugar Steve? Yeah? Anyway,

2084
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 2: We'll see you on the next go round. Yo, what's up?

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Speaker 2: This is fante. Make sure you keep up with us

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Speaker 2: on Instagram, at QLs and let us know what you think.

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Speaker 2: Who should be next to sit down with us? Don't

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